From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 10:41:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB3FfQIY019939 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:41:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB3Ff1am011493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:41:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB3Fdjjg044150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB3FctrP081568; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:39:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB3FbxUU080124 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so769578ana for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:37:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=o1soFqtENUApPWzHmYmR6EErryk+keoPUTFxJANP/6o=; b=vKckTxTGK0HOMltHqq9Aw4QH1iRO/H0ZZEx0D8Oa0ipaU+q/zrVgYbPDesJ5+mItCpV2qyw39FCfJ3xraAPYdwLvYZTKhe0SaHI0sJHjRYrmcefT52Mq4Pp+Tyj65qLJ/4UVucpkGv+FMw5oB+UQ8ieYSwzk73zQilK8vSbq06E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cr3ln1pwW/I/P1VIqZhVu+QtG8IrV8ebJ5W6cfp8cHmnml7BxDVHbL9H9eGR9dQBLChqREJKnEWlFaijEN9d+6rsi16tR95KsomDK2TKtvZmw1io8w4QRu5i+9fg3p6lEAx+QxMR7xZXCg0lpSztiU8HqdZZxWt4j4I/tMZ55/s= Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr20324342ane.1196696256361; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.25.16 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 07:37:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070712030737n525dd6c4k8087d51ab4fa5c03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:37:36 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] past patterns sale! 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 18:28:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB3NSbmm006639 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:28:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB3NSECh005809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:28:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB3NQx6H044138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB3NQseE000867; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB3NQnkq000567 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.238] Received: from [75.46.13.238] (adsl-75-46-13-238.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.238]) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB3NQfrZ024145 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:26:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8296995c0711301648q5dcf5f4dhb86a52b862e3cc1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <113020071701.16028.475041D90006CA1B00003E9C22007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> <8296995c0711301648q5dcf5f4dhb86a52b862e3cc1b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost]sewing needle breakage Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:25:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34618e13-ddfd-46fe-8c92-871a80c7acb1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4754910E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:28:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 30, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: > I use milliners' straws sizes 8, 9, or 10 depending on what I'm sewing I love size 9 milliner's needles. It's true that they're not right for everything, but for most things they're great--very thin and long enough that I don't cramp my fingers trying to hold onto them. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 20:00:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4102Nt009477 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:00:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB40xcuj021295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:59:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB40vWJ0055724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB40vHHY006388; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB40vCUi006219 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so6009021waf for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:57:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=dxU7usF1gyhTgrYE1yfUymyMFd0D2+p/SrA63nNFfEs=; b=Rw1msOFCBsI9Py20Wc3etOAoUsHPCo4SvRnItWnl85iruZ5sjkPZ+6SnJFx76RQ6y2FQmNmxtZ3F8Ww6jDyYAI5wVIOrpLAkzeB07hFZQqX/dH5aSdMHo9eMF9IqKleg1WWgNo5hfxUDUJwTHw7k9KM3+OLNH8jpoNHHaKs2bw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sAlNgJFohIS1ngvZJVRosrIkjHTy8X0f+wJQfNuWXFFvX6yT1qUV1g+0qQQEFrkBr78U0go3/QBt23hDarpGbS3RsNGl151vZN/tvEBOMx2ftZnNjHHzmpa2gL0pJNcIWwBJppXy9rOQhZMU/t8vf24i2LXTJ/0KgjyDMA67chI= Received: by 10.142.106.18 with SMTP id e18mr4641wfc.1196729828593; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:57:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:57:08 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4704e67-210a-4013-b26b-e0e70db21062 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4754A67A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:59:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your worktable, at the sewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 20:49:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB41nAG6011071 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:49:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB41mfqF006000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB41gPOp061747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB41gOUQ054020; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB41gKgY053940 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9773807D for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:43:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:43:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 081ba9f0-4663-41d3-9c5c-dcd7310389df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4754B1F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:48:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote: > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this purpose) is still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the last time this meme came up on the list. ON the other hand, it's done except for the seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that that I expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then I can start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 20:51:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB41pVp0011177 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:51:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB41p8GK007769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:51:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB41o521062661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB41o4lJ061220; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB41npc6060904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:49:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.46.129] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzMuv-0005az-Sx for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:49:46 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:49:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote: >On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote: > > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, > > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > >My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this purpose) is >still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the last time >this meme came up on the list. ON the other hand, it's done except for the >seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that that I >expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then I can >start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next. :-) Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to start again. And this is called retirement? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 21:50:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB42ourO013323 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:50:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB42oWxq018142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:50:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB42nlK8068960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB42nihd017153; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB42nTLu016906 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cbf.19c6a0d1 (37219) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA062-91634754c016262; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:48:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-Id: <60290215b1c27931cf672b65ec1883fa@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:48:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa903361-5625-4fb9-afdc-5ab68c4bf551 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4754C078.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:50:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DIET_1,SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > And this is called retirement? > > Suzi ABSOLUTELY! Don't you LOVE it !?!? My Dummy has an Edwardian blouse and a bustle skirt. The skirt fits, I=20 am trying to lose enough weight to wear the blouse. Progress is slow. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote: >> On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote: >> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company=20 >> dinners, >> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be >> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, >> > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your >> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? >> >> My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this=20 >> purpose) is >> still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the=20 >> last time >> this meme came up on the list. ON the other hand, it's done except=20 >> for the >> seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that=20 >> that I >> expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then=20 >> I can >> start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next. :-) > > > Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered=20 > polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the=20 > quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The=20 > bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the=20 > table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to=20 > start again. > > And this is called retirement? > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 22:36:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB43aUJb015461 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:36:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB43a5N3008358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:36:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB43ZVYn072987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:35:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB43ZTwp056294; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB43ZQFt056244 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so3698734rvf for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:35:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ydaj89bvJl1PyF8LZisOS4LBY06qoir1b9sKTI/cbGM=; b=gnBUDQPMVSyJkVUH1u8QredOB7xsjcccxJUhbBNy+1qkr/iM5+/AZ+kRiHjgZ1HvJ1yQqHUNi666K++tY2Z3qGHhehmvR8fxRHkEXHol8aS3bgarfN+L9e3jBZTkfvCb3FNvaq+ORmapU4/H9wxO4hcr0X4iuASGMlUAp/+jc3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YIJOH40m05KWbYA/q7oPBQ9AUjkKreE/2KGSreTnhGOhqr6/nZ2QSryFVFhcYogUWLpz61Icb/p/3mQJdJAJiUPOZrXvpveztrYzzch4bw8+PtuFcCNgvTJWu3uRIOdzwOg7TscqKRPGgf7hLtCkKjOZwmtu6LuFiAW5Gb3afLY= Received: by 10.141.122.20 with SMTP id z20mr56896rvm.1196739326113; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.196.15 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:35:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90712031935x17bbb348xce6bb42369d23661@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:35:26 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? In-Reply-To: <60290215b1c27931cf672b65ec1883fa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> <60290215b1c27931cf672b65ec1883fa@aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f876fd90-6635-4371-a17b-1637b9ca908d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4754CB25.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:36:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can we get some photos of the work? For those of us who plan but don't get enough time, it would be great encouragement. Sidney On Dec 4, 2007 12:48 PM, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > And this is called retirement? > > > > Suzi > > ABSOLUTELY! Don't you LOVE it !?!? > > > My Dummy has an Edwardian blouse and a bustle skirt. The skirt fits, I > am trying to lose enough weight to wear the blouse. Progress is slow. > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote: > >> On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote: > >> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > >> dinners, > >> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > >> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > >> > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > >> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > >> > >> My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this > >> purpose) is > >> still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the > >> last time > >> this meme came up on the list. ON the other hand, it's done except > >> for the > >> seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that > >> that I > >> expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then > >> I can > >> start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next. :-) > > > > > > Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered > > polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the > > quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The > > bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the > > table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to > > start again. > > > > And this is called retirement? > > > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Visit Sid's "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" http://z900.piczo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 22:55:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB43t6Yd018220 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:55:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB43sfvG002803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB43s6Yq075094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB43s4MJ072451; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB43s1Tm072418 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so852149ana for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:54:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid:message-id; bh=kKcFvItLgzYyWYccE5AX0PzHHoEH9JTjWXvZ9Txhibs=; b=HqID+FtwnfMsUj7hvcTS8hGkoIaJyANndjj53fLuzj/fissxW+UBFg6ENwn67cSXk+xCa/38lZ9bjWuoi1XJeQHpWQhSBCx4Cv37e4lVyvDXctNmPGarkfkG406irT23An9zfSl+lhvXhOEAnJEc1rsA4xEfRwbtTHFQWiMYPYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid:message-id; b=ilhi/FELX3FxcQ0JJ3g5d5JDfmroKYNKVU1lAH8nNpdZMWjnbQQN5aVtWBsJTP4fypJsMGYbiQ+ZZaRxp1+M3o2+iykwWZaxu9o2KvO8HIqTac9yEvQAOFkThcXLo63kj1ytjGftAx25OIcikCJCj8jadvIM6ceMMZWrEUnB7dA= Received: by 10.100.190.15 with SMTP id n15mr412915anf.1196740441584; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm6300815wri.2007.12.03.19.53.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:53:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg2GNMrpllU7tPfQSeuYjB2/yKX/wAD1GNQ Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AOMo Bye3 Cp56 C6Rf DAlP DBJ8 DT2N DqJ9 EAON F6E9 GJBa GLp5 G0Xh HSha H+si JNM8; 1; aAAtAGMAbwBzAHQAdQBtAGUAQABpAG4AZAByAGEALgBjAG8AbQA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {4808C968-6D07-4C9F-BF2C-8704BF8B0C1B}; YwBoAGkAYQByAGEALgBmAHIAYQBuAGMAZQBzAGMAYQBAAGcAbQBhAGkAbAAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:47:42 GMT; TwBUACAAdgBlAHIAeQAgAE8AVAAgAC4ALgAuACAARQBuAGcAbABhAG4AZAA= x-cr-puzzleid: {4808C968-6D07-4C9F-BF2C-8704BF8B0C1B} Message-ID: <4754cf58.1f09360a.7a81.0097@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT very OT ... England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d3e4260-2adc-4851-95eb-658432b11c60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4754CF81.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:54:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Greetings, I have a friend that wants to talk to someone from England about the cost of living. Please let me know if anyone can help via private email. Chiara.francesca@gmail.com Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 3 23:22:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB44MGga020054 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:22:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB44Lq6w024731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:21:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB44Fme0076984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB44FlHK090298; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB44Fj9E090197 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so3714553rvf for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:15:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6vTt1d1JKW9wu058VBE+FDq1x8sJviZ/bf1hTDpAM40=; b=WX3MCANBM8Pl4noUA6mEwJSuHLhIjRcsKRHT3AJHCbUlnDhfDeiOJuxK/a7X7Uu+uCx+STcMO32de9F6P15AaugOyrSDVtwzkZ+WGyOSKelAzD4YYRG5ysK4HZKSMBQLuLa7jD+16O1kLdfNZI5P66TifSxMdccpvNxwcUyuEpY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ngYALB8RRpVD9SBXcWj/ULwrat0MtkQGresgnzjvegJG/ZRjIIVEBpSMtotnkbAm6yWQzeIxOTNK+Weq8IISMiKExl3w3Y99FwOzuBIcZgyCMz5Vpyx8Q1BXc7Y6DBN6VQscOOw1Lxghi0XLo1V8qD+H9HbnDXJUZUyOl4uqvVY= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr17635wfh.1196741739761; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.1 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:15:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <228c7530712032015q67dff150m6d81c61a63cfea2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:15:39 +1100 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a63d58b-a4e7-4582-8b70-b3298faaadcf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4754D5E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:21:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 2007/12/4, Cin : > > So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > Hi! The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a wedding coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I won one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to my measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished). So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more. And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes to match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on 'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies). And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and narrow silhouette you see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg, http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg, http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreAugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg. So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' to make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our knees can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me, anyway. Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait until he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up in an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation. (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress, but you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch). All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams" by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and ideas which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns. Love to all B arb ara M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 00:26:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB45QOTj022169 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:26:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB45Q0a9007933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB45PRIp084647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB45POB7049187; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB45PLfM049070 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071204052516.BLXX6607.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8195fa6b-ec72-43a2-8106-e01e6ccdb1da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4754E4E8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:26:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mine is wearing my Empire gown, actually almost finished after redoing the bodice piece to something more Georgian and less COPS-like (it had looked like the bars covering up the naughty bits on prime time TV). I have a book signing on the 8th, so it has to be done by then... For the hell of it, I even covered some buttons last night, and will start hemming the acres of fabric (I had to make a gown with a train [argh]) tomorrow. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 00:42:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB45gnUw022698 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:42:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB45gNRs008340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:42:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB45fjch085773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB45fi5p061004; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB45fflN060951 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:41:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nataku@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F8tpar0cutSkaouS+u7/vDal+xE8APbxrUzVbqfmUIn2uOiwd7WMQw/B/ZwHMOXR; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.87.189.252] (helo=[192.168.0.103]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IzQXL-0003dC-KT for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <4754E954.9080003@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:44:52 -0800 From: Kristin Stonham User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:42:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mine WAS wearing a Final Fantasy Tactics Summoner costume (black dress loosely based on 14th century women's fashion with a green and red cloak) before my husband took it off the form. He needed to take a picture of it so his mum could decide if she wanted our spare that was the wrong size for me. The dress and cloak will be going back on the form for more work ... after I finish the holiday quilting spree and can switch gears again. ^_^;; --Kristin Stonham _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 08:36:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4DaPlc028275 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:36:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4Da0w6010591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:36:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4DYbEG029661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4DYWtY049547; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4DYTJO049405 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.238] Received: from [75.46.13.238] (adsl-75-46-13-238.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.238]) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB4DYNpk030679 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:34:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4754E954.9080003@earthlink.net> References: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> <4754E954.9080003@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <9FE722BB-A8F6-4F9C-A322-4FF4D58CDCF2@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:34:51 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc2be329-f5f6-4e80-af1b-9225d02e2861 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475557C0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:36:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm making one of these: http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=48 But it's not nearly so fancy on the kirtle and has no spangles on the ruffs. The kirtle is of red and dull gold silk damask, and the gown is of deep red silk velvet. The partlet, sleeves, and gown lining are a white silk with sheer and flowered satin stripes. I have a French hood, but I might make a hat to wear with it instead. This is a style that was almost completely confined to 1572 and 1573. I've found about seven or eight portraits total that depict it. Someday the new outfit will make it to the website, but don't hold your breath. The only person who takes decent pictures of me lives halfway across the country, so updates are infrequent! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 08:42:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4DgNFB028477 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:42:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4Dfvpq019090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:42:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4DeI7T030311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4DeHk4055050; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB4DeBrk054890 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 29319 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 13:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.163.82 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 13:40:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NJlycR0VM1nws15FCOoRf67OPFf4sIWe_Cl5XFhKfODStNgfyNntmshxUafOwpSW23dzIlNDqGa2fajb_Bi3woEVIYH6b18PoJ8m6tSU2y9hjEnmsYvS Message-ID: <000901c8367b$31398670$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:40:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3586a52-0f1d-4c81-ad68-4f17d4b47987 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47555925.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:42:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Queen Maude's Double is wearing the muslins for her wedding gown(thank you Fran!); the satin is cut and basted. The real challenge is going to be the wax flowers that border the skirt hem and trim the bodice. I have a 1950s nosegay for the florals that will get 'dipped' and attached to some mini wired boxwood. Working in this scale for a 20" doll is tours, wearing her Poiret Turendot cloak and changeable coral satin gown. Her coronet is of Eisenberg rhinstones. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the > dummy and > *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your > worktable, at the sewing > machine or in the embroidery hoop. > - > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 09:03:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4E3u1k029217 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:03:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4E3RTJ030292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:03:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4E2m8r032239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4E2kv7075779; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:02:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4E2hi2075645 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:02:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:04:19 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02965B4C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <228c7530712032015q67dff150m6d81c61a63cfea2a@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Thread-Index: Acg2NgZzNZ66mZ58Tz630dlUADFHDAASGR9A References: <228c7530712032015q67dff150m6d81c61a63cfea2a@mail.gmail.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 14:04:19.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[90479A50:01C8367E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc4e290e-1b38-428c-ac1d-c563f84b3d2f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47555E2F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:03:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more appropriate place than a wedding). Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 2007/12/4, Cin : > > So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > Hi! The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a wedding coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I won one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to my measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished). So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more. And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes to match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on 'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies). And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and narrow silhouette you see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg, http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg, http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreA ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg. So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' to make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our knees can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me, anyway. Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait until he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up in an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation. (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress, but you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch). All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams" by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and ideas which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns. Love to all B arb ara M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 09:18:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4EIhVS029647 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:18:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4EIJHB027373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:18:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4EHuJf033644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4EHr5C091444; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB4EHU8D090997 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 75461 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 14:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.163.82 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 14:17:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oUplmc8VM1nNPVp5yApJAKDNW4kJTKb.wrK7.1w9MASobaxxv2cDIgLDrrHWCu8HSwUSRC1nO5qLm38ifHpZhmuC6k.MG_zgEi8owLGWi_FX_JCt3wIK Message-ID: <000601c83680$67ca63d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c8367b$31398670$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:17:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf69bc80-cc80-4557-a152-d9c90da0acc9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475561AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:18:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry, some of the script seems to have been ommited...the working scale is tedious and Maude is doing a Charity appearance at a local historical house for Christmas.."tours..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > Queen Maude's Double is wearing the muslins for her wedding gown(thank you > Fran!); the satin is cut and basted. The real challenge is going to be > the wax flowers that border the skirt hem and trim the bodice. I have a > 1950s nosegay for the florals that will get 'dipped' and attached to some > mini wired boxwood. Working in this scale for a 20" doll is tours, > wearing her Poiret Turendot cloak and changeable coral satin gown. Her > coronet is of Eisenberg rhinstones. > > Kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cin" > To: "h-cost" > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:57 PM > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > >> It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, >> New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be >> planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, >> h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your >> dressmaker's dummy wearing today? >> --cin >> Cynthia Barnes >> CinBarnes@gmail.com >> >> PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the >> dummy and >> *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your >> worktable, at the sewing >> machine or in the embroidery hoop. >> - >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 09:27:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4ERnYw029976 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:27:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4ERODl010601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:27:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4EQkmT034519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4EQjsf001552; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-out1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4EQf7R001356 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=reizk24ZNfYA:15 a=bsFQ2wVp48NOlu1NN9wZMw==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=Z-r0SobuqMDXylNzrFsA:9 a=9taSxJXEzPU-dMPt3c87DZ2bVX4A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=85WEl_qdAMryWhGsJFAA:9 a=v9iWdwcPW12qqGdEXjAA:7 a=OWnv3DhX6KvGqAhDJWUn1zqNs4UA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: gwout1 smtp.user=jemarshall; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [216.196.176.189] ([216.196.176.189:50484] helo=Poland.fuse.net) by mail-out1.fuse.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.22 r(17669)) with ESMTPA id B6/FD-06930-C9365574 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:26:25 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b37ac742-8178-4749-8aba-2c8bce246004 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 475563CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:27:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 Jennifer what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 09:51:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Ep25M030823 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:51:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4EoZTk001877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:50:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4EnHYT038060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4EnF2Q028192; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4EnBvt028033 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:49:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:49:02 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id lB4En2j56104 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:49:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 04 Dec 2007 08:49:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:48:59 -0600 References: <200712041202.lB4C2wGU064154@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:48:47 -0600 Message-ID: <4755146F.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200712041202.lB4C2wGU064154@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:50:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, it's not the dressmaker but the rack in the sewing room (sometimes affectionately known in our house as The Sweat Shop) is filling with pieces to be adapted for a show in January. One of the local community theaters is doing Gross Indecency: the 3 Trials of Oscar Wilde. Very limited budget so I am combing the local thrift stores for pieces that can be reworked to approximate the 1890s. Yes, this is the show I was looking for underwear for awhile back :), still working on that. Handwork is penny rug-style felt ornaments and, long-range, an embroidered linen coif. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 11:37:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GbOWB001492 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:37:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4Gavxm020096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4GYJhr053193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GYA7k064102; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GY1DF063744 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rharperny@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W19 ([65.54.161.119]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:33:55 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [141.214.17.5] From: R Harper To: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:33:55 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200712041203.lB4C2wGW064154@net.indra.com> References: <200712041203.lB4C2wGW064154@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 16:33:55.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[767C9E30:01C83693] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4c63249-425c-45d1-a5a7-62259c9ae957 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47558229.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:37:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today? =20 I might take the prize for oddest: a commissioned stretch bellydance dress= of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal.= It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared= short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net a= nd a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom. =20 It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim an= d Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the dress= that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long... =20 Richard in MI= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 11:39:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Gd5eV001625 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:39:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4GcQs9032709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4Gc2bm053814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Gbxvc069566; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4C2mrS063868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.42.23] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzWU6-00058y-38 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:02:43 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204120027.03513c50@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:02:38 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:38:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DIET_1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 03:35 04/12/2007, you wrote: >Can we get some photos of the work? For those of us who plan but don't get >enough time, it would be great encouragement. Oh, you mean you expect all this stuff to be finished? The only thing that has to be finished is the 18th century dress. I'm the one that was supposed to finish a silk quilt my great aunt started..............during the War (2nd World!) and am still not *quite* there yet! Suzi >Sidney > >On Dec 4, 2007 12:48 PM, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > > > And this is called retirement? > > > > > > Suzi > > > > ABSOLUTELY! Don't you LOVE it !?!? > > > > > > My Dummy has an Edwardian blouse and a bustle skirt. The skirt fits, I > > am trying to lose enough weight to wear the blouse. Progress is slow. > > > > Susan > > > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > > > At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote: > > >> On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote: > > >> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company > > >> dinners, > > >> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > > >> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > > >> > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > > >> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > > >> > > >> My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this > > >> purpose) is > > >> still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the > > >> last time > > >> this meme came up on the list. ON the other hand, it's done except > > >> for the > > >> seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that > > >> that I > > >> expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then > > >> I can > > >> start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next. :-) > > > > > > > > > Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered > > > polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the > > > quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The > > > bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the > > > table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to > > > start again. > > > > > > And this is called retirement? > > > > > > Suzi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >-- > > >Visit Sid's >"Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" >http://z900.piczo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 11:44:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GiLkd002099 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:44:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4Ghuxo028698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:44:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4GhZam055013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GhWAq078590; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GhR9F078324 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:45:03 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02965C69@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? Thread-Index: Acg2lCYeU59u5JGjRwKeVIz7B2/trAAANq2w References: <200712041203.lB4C2wGW064154@net.indra.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 16:45:03.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[049B9030:01C83695] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af7e2bef-1e49-43f3-8ae8-e8afa3035071 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475583CC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:44:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO WOW -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of R Harper Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:34 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? >So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today? =20 I might take the prize for oddest: a commissioned stretch bellydance dress of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal. It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net and a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom. =20 It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim and Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the dress that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long... =20 Richard in MI_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 11:47:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Gl77h002364 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:47:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4GkgPe022466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:46:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4GifSJ055265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GibYs080257; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GiP4X079988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Izasg-0005Qi-Dz for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:44:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:44:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 468781f0-55ba-46c9-870c-db08de834835 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47558472.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Since I haven't gotten around to finishing the duct-tape-and-spray-foam double yet, I have a workbasket. ;-) Currently in the workbasket is a veil that I will someday finish hemming, and the yellow Moselund dress. I first built this dress back in...2004, I think, for Northshield's first Coronation (SCA stuff). It's a gold wool tricotine (which is not period, I know, but it was the right finish and the right price) 13th c. gown modeled after the Moselund piece. Alas, since 2004 I have lost 35 or so pounds and gained 20 back in a different distribution (for instance, the bosomage is more substantial than it's ever been, somehow). So I am re-engineering the upper part of the gown AGAIN so that it fits properly. And I need to wear it on Saturday. ;-) After that's done, next is a 12th century gown out of dark blue wool with rose silk sleeve lining and gold silk trim, red wool hose, and a new chemise for the outfit that's actually made of *white* linen this time (as opposed to cotton-candy pink, or yellow, or that weird pinkish color that Crayola calls "orchid"). My consort complains that I'm never happy with any of my dress patterns. I had to point out to him that every time I get a new pattern that I like, I change shape enough to render it unusable. Jen/Pixel/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 11:55:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Gt0qi002653 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:55:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4GsXOL009622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4GrwVN057508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GrsDG094665; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp6.america.net (qsmtp6.america.net [69.60.160.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GrnY3094545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200712041653.lB4GrnY3094545@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.140] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp6.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Izb1o-0006BD-Lm for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:53:48 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:53:45 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5227b552-7c4b-42d9-88cd-b2d987398d96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47558649.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:54:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 08:26 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone >know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of >the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else >online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 > >Jennifer Now that is a cool hat!! Love the sleeves, too. Good luck finding info, and please keep us posted if you find it of list. Thanks Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 12:04:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4H4d5c002996 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:04:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4H4G41009044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:04:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4H3blq059359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:03:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4H3Whn009326; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4H3SKl009093 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:03:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W18 ([65.55.133.53]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:03:22 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.199.153.210] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:03:21 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <200712032043.22767.cathy@thyrsus.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071204014607.035124a8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 17:03:22.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[93663610:01C83697] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e07f652-ea10-4809-af8d-c3479bd623af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47558890.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:04:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:49:41 +0000> To: h-costume@indra.com> From: suzi= @suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?>= CC: > > > And this is called retirement?>=20 You know it's retirement when: =20 1) Your vision of the outcome is the only one you need to accomodate. =20 2) You are the only one setting the deadlines. =20 3) You don't get any money when you're done. =20 :) Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.=A0 Join i= n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 12:44:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4HiVBN004692 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:44:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4Hi6Jc013230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:44:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4GafC2053487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:36:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4GaaVY067530; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4BPluF032344 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d1c.1a389d71 (39331) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:25:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 4fa7a6fe-24d2-46fb-82b2-661d81fed00a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475591E6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:44:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My extra form is coming out of storage to be dressed for an exhibit we are doing at Riversdale, "Out of the Shadows: Servants in the Spotlight." She is going to be an early 19th c. lady's maid. Hope I can get some arms on her and make them look right. Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 13:38:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Ic3XL007387 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:38:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4IbdNM031586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4IaKqq075954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Ia4f0047368; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4IZqCO046864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id D96C12C8014 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:35:46 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HL-2bRuQUaRS for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:35:40 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (host-84-9-120-128.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.120.128]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 92BDE2C8093 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:35:39 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-Id: <3773849B-94BE-4B67-9429-58594BE61A04@qmul.ac.uk> From: Hilary Davidson Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:36:30 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5376cb8b-fb9e-45b8-95c5-817c7633d113 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47559E73.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:37:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello all, I'm delurking for the first time in a loooong time. It's lovely to have time to post and benefit from the great collective wisdom that is h-costume. My current sort of project combines two in one - what I'm making *is* the dummy! I was reading an article online about cheap ways to make dummies at home - I'm sure someone kind can supply the name of the online sewing magazine - could it be Threads? - and thought that would be a good idea, since I've never had one, don't like the adjustable ones, and am sick of trying to pin a toile's back seams while I'm wearing it. So I'm trying the brown framers paper method. My boyfriend had a wonderful expression when I told him I need his help to wrap my bust in wet paper. He's pretty busy at the moment to help but I hope to get it done before Christmas so I can start making lovely things to put on it. Cheers, Hilary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 13:49:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4InCQ5007933 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4ImjbV014109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:48:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4ImNT2079270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4ImLtb066587; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4ImFUQ066317 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=X3GL50mR0zrA1m7uHZ2KDJE1EOyeQdUzYEQHTEhWvVyDGPQRG4bf59fz0EvhqICa; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.253.162] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IzcoJ-0007vW-Hk for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: <040801c836a6$36393910$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:48:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48dbdd822881e20843ed59b5bfe8d0ec873b5efdd33357ec02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.162 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 580ddc5a-519d-4c1d-86ce-78f0bd5c1d16 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4755A10D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:48:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Right now Yasmine's naked, but there's two commissions that she'll be alternately wearing probably by the end of the week. First one is a 1630-ish dress jacket and overskirt out of a cloth-of-silver brocade and bottle green and pale gold brocade sleeves and stomacher. I don't technically have enough fabric for the skirt, so I'm lining it with white satin and hoping the extra bulk will help disguise the lack. The sleeves and stomacher are being pearled with smoke blue and white freshwater pearls, and silver and gold studs. The other is an Elizabethan loose robe out of burgundy dupioni, with hanging sleeves of burgundy shot with black dupioni, embroidered in a diamond grid with gold. I'm hoping to have both of those out the door this week, as I've got 4 other complete outfits to have finished before 12th Night. I either need to hire help or scale back a lot. Melusine (who shouldn't be on the computer, but hasn't had breakfast yet.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 14:53:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Jrkss010357 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:53:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4JrLwM017361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:53:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4JplZk091999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4JpgC0063153; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Jcxdu044356 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071204193858.UCLM13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:58 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.145]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071204193858.RWNE20739.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20071204193858.RWNE20739.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071204005944.NEBK4584.fep28.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.145] at Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:38:57 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <005f01c836ad$4f3ed8a0$91e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ad88cde-e97e-415a-b2d0-6a3f533e4988 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4755B032.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My embroidery frame is having a new waistcoat, i make for a guy in Germany, when thats finnished - a new waistcoat is to be embroidered, and again a new awaites to be embroidered. You can call that year the great waistcoat year :-) http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm In between i make small projekts, i made a projekt for country bumpkins inspirations magazine, a lit for a sewing basquet, a muff for a girlfriend in Sweden and i also made a mini muff for a Marie Antoinette doll. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/embroideries.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the > dummy and > *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your > worktable, at the sewing > machine or in the embroidery hoop. > - > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 14:54:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Js7io010362 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:54:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4JrgLl015640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:53:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4Jr5Dd092322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Jr2eY065005; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4JquG5064701 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:53:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.33]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:52:51 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:52:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:51:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:51:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 19:52:00.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[226D1510:01C836AF] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5881854-7eda-45eb-9a0c-06c8f462728a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4755B046.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:53:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not so odd, my DD is wearing a Fire Engine red crushed velvet Belly Dance gown as well. One bare shoulder, slightly ruched side seam on the 'bare' side of the gown, slightly flared skirt that is slit to the thigh. One shoulder length gauntlet. I am in the process of figuring out where the multitudes of gold bead/sequin appliques will be placed. :0) Sheridan P >From: R Harper > >So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today? > >I might take the prize for oddest: a commissioned stretch bellydance dress >of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal. >It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared >short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net >and a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom. > >It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim >and Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the >dress that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long... > >Richard in MI_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 14:58:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4JwkbJ010449 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:58:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4JwMGM021797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:58:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4Jw2se093749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4JvwBh072358; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4JvasT071857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB4JvVrr003054 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:57:31 -0500 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JSJ00HW6J5ZI210@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:51:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:57:29 -0500 From: Kate Pinner Subject: RE: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) In-reply-to: To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <006101c836af$e6b075c0$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: Acg2gPCTdQTzomeSTAieGOZhd+oK2AALuztg References: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5177 signatures=349501 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98851f00-bcde-4ec2-97b9-6746d0bb1019 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4755B15E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then another band? Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise? Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of J.E. Marshall Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 Jennifer what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 15:08:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4K8H7Z010687 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:08:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4K7okU022363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4K7PIv095044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4K6jLb085030; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4K6fAY084886 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D15852ED7C for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:06:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:08:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200712041653.lB4GrnY3094545@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34b377b4-03ab-41f1-bed9-097c692a7650 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4755B397.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:07:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- At 08:26 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone >know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of >the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else >online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 > >Jennifer Sorry not feeling well so my brain is a bit foggy. Sleeve style http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1512cranlucre.htm kind of skirt and bodice two color. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1548saxonwoman.htm The different colors of the bodice versas skirt is maybe due to a apron skirt. ???? http://www.abcgallery.com/B/baldung/baldung11.html I keep having "Swabian" pop into my brain for this style. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 15:17:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4KHbfR010970 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:17:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4KHCQ4003306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:17:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4KGI2v096426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4KGDl7097911; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4KG2ku097625 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AEED2EDC7 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:16:01 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:17:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006101c836af$e6b075c0$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e82a0c05-9339-4f8d-aa9d-fafa038afc67 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4755B5C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:17:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kate, It's jewelry. It would not have been connected to the hemd or chemise. Were you thinking of a partlet and not chemise? Also, what may be throwing things off is the gold bands on the hemd which is gold thread embroidery. There is two camps to the banded sleeves, one is that it is a part of the hemd, the other that it is an over sleeve. Jennifer, http://myra.hem.nu/costume/ Myra's site has late 1400's research. Maybe something similar can be found there. Click on the picture above the WWW for the research site. -----Original Message----- So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then another band? Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise? Kate -----Original Message----- I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 16:22:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4LMNix015140 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:22:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4LLwbf004411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4JrJr8092416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:53:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4JrFp5065359; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:53:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4Jr8tb065025 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:53:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.33]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:52:40 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:52:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:51:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:51:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 19:52:00.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[226D1510:01C836AF] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2426d440-7bac-4eaa-a867-1f143436efce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4755C4F6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not so odd, my DD is wearing a Fire Engine red crushed velvet Belly Dance gown as well. One bare shoulder, slightly ruched side seam on the 'bare' side of the gown, slightly flared skirt that is slit to the thigh. One shoulder length gauntlet. I am in the process of figuring out where the multitudes of gold bead/sequin appliques will be placed. :0) Sheridan P >From: R Harper > >So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today? > >I might take the prize for oddest: a commissioned stretch bellydance dress >of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal. >It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared >short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net >and a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom. > >It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim >and Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the >dress that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long... > >Richard in MI_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 17:02:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4M26tk017378 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:02:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4M1fGp022014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:01:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4M0S6o017040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4M0Don051191; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4M07qa051022 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD9013D03EC; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:58:40 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <228c7530712032015q67dff150m6d81c61a63cfea2a@mail.gmail.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02965B4C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:59:57 -0800 Message-ID: <008901c836c1$0261efe0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2NgZzNZ66mZ58Tz630dlUADFHDAASGR9AABCT6GA= In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02965B4C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c4475fd-cf4b-4c53-861f-c6a1d4e4e5fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4755CE45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:01:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we dance the rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea completely. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more appropriate place than a wedding). Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 2007/12/4, Cin : > > So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > Hi! The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a wedding coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I won one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to my measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished). So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more. And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes to match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on 'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies). And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and narrow silhouette you see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg, http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg, http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreA ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg. So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' to make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our knees can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me, anyway. Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait until he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up in an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation. (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress, but you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch). All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams" by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and ideas which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns. Love to all B arb ara M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 17:23:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4MMwGX018477 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:22:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4MMXro020862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:22:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4MM84U019888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4MM2RY079673; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:22:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4MLvnE079445 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1710.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.177]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D613429C3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:21:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4755D47D.7060203@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:28:13 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? References: <200712041202.lB4C2wGU064154@net.indra.com> <4755146F.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4755146F.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81ee6288-80b8-4669-9618-ef27c15c93ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4755D329.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:22:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well mine isn't wearing anything since I managed to loose some centimeters but not weight... Has something to do with dancing three times a week and getting more muscles and probably not eating enough. The dress I am making is a summer dress, white with little yellow and purple flowers. A way too sweet modern dress inspired on regency dresses. Very bad for the teeth. I am planning on making historical costumes bud not for me. Few weeks ago I bought my first Ball Jointed Doll. And I am hooked on making clothing and accessories for dolls. He is now playing for dummy :-) . I made a shirt and trousers for him. The shirt need some adjustments and than I will make them for others. Oh and Quinn is showing his arm bracer made from embossed leather. I am planning to make a whole armor set but my neighbors aren't happy when I am hammering for to long.. And he is wearing embroidered Demon wings Now he is guarding my sewing machine. I am making a butterfly wing. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/QuinnGuarding.jpg And I sometimes borrow a girl doll from a friend of mine to make patterns. She isn't a great dress dummy. We had to tape her waist to keep her standing still and straight. She tends to stick her but out. which will make measuring and fitting very hard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 17:28:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4MSVx6018719 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:28:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4MS6YA011047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:28:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4MRVL0020685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4MRUqK087388; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4MRLLl087049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 2B69B2C8067 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:27:15 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vifktbh8cEkR for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:27:08 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (host-84-9-120-128.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.120.128]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id BFD7A2C80C8 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:27:06 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-Id: <9BCF17EF-AB49-40F0-89FB-D69D039594C0@qmul.ac.uk> From: Hilary Davidson Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:28:00 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Articles from journal 'Costume' on-line X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d91edcc5-b773-4eb3-a633-f4dd951b65bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4755D477.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:28:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Further to Wanda's post - below - from the 4th November (sorry - slowly reading through old messages) If you're connected with an academic institution in the UK and have or can get an ATHENS password, you may well be able to access, free, the online version of Costume through Ingenta Connect, the on-line site that Wanda mentions. http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/cos/2007/00000041/00000001 Usually your friendly uni librarian can arrange an ATHENS password http://www.athens.ac.uk/ and it's extremely useful for all sorts of sites, but at the same time amazing how many students aren't told about this service. there may be an equivalent US service. Then you can download individual articles in handy PDF form from Costume, and Textile History which is also highly recommendable, for textile related articles, conference and book reviews. Then once downloaded and printed off, who knows where copies could end up? (though I'm not condoning breach of applicable copyright - reasonable use for research purposes only!) Typical - I don't post for years then do two at once.... From: Wanda Pease Subject: "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manley publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society www.costumesociety.org.uk . You can subscribe, or buy individual articles. I got involved because one of the articles in Costume Volume 41 (the present one) had the Janet Arnold work on the Effigy Corset. I'm not a penny pinching young student, but an employed and old student working on my MA as an Independent Scholar with my local university. This is why I paid the Student rate when I subscribed. The individual article is for sale on-line for $25. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 18:57:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4NvdRF022890 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:57:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB4NvF5a003159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB4NoXHV038611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4NoUQZ095811; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB4NoQE4095670 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce7.22b258ec (14467) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:50:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b219951-b0c7-4a51-af55-09dde71afdc4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4755E95B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:57:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The girls that aren't naked are wearing underpinnings. One's in the start of a mid 17th century gown in silk taffeta. One's in the start of an 18th c sack dress that I'm making for a customer going to the venice carnival on honeymoon - loosely based on an original in Leeds - red One's wearing a part made 17th century suit (male, obv) - black linen, stiffended with linen canvas, and with boned belly pieces. and with silk wrapped buttons. that's on hold though, cos the customer is on his way back to afghanistan in a couple of weeks and another male one is wearing a just started c17th suit - wool satin this time.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 19:48:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB50mJ8f025114 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:48:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB50ltRM022614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:47:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB50lCDv045778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB50lB04056567; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB50l6rs056488 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4BC80A02A8; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:45:48 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:47:05 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01c836d8$5bd969b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acg20TVHml1FD3hyRsqdwDuCqrZA/wABwoVQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9270215-f028-4166-a43d-15c39f3fe07a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4755F53B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What is wool satin? I've never heard of it. Sounds yummy. Do you have pics? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:50 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? The girls that aren't naked are wearing underpinnings. One's in the start of a mid 17th century gown in silk taffeta. One's in the start of an 18th c sack dress that I'm making for a customer going to the venice carnival on honeymoon - loosely based on an original in Leeds - red One's wearing a part made 17th century suit (male, obv) - black linen, stiffended with linen canvas, and with boned belly pieces. and with silk wrapped buttons. that's on hold though, cos the customer is on his way back to afghanistan in a couple of weeks and another male one is wearing a just started c17th suit - wool satin this time.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 4 22:39:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB53dJY3030116 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:39:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB53csP9011955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:38:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB53biTa066157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB53bbmu021566; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB53bVHN021482 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7112354waf for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:37:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cIr7gYnKBGo82B8vDd2aC88Fh4LJz5u6fDJyXT6xkzM=; b=UbAKh7xcjcE37NBKzfChvqEM7aUPzjjSjkQBjwSoMVt5gD2921nmBMAVG10sSnBcwB7R2HlXW6j1j8nXnvWy0OgjjrfibM4BoL/NalLAKtCd8C3PkoeXKYhm+WVtOK4htolYAgRryp0zC6FP5svDv6/Mno/kYixZ06/cNZIC/Ww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=V81fmXNH6EC1eaVNXBjSAWeyxw9g59Zl0vPNYaMyNWLtDf3HHuLsHPA8lSIthCHgyZUal8NQYa1lMXbVN8O5VHJNtVGiPd6DeKwBje6f2vsmOz10vPB8vVBFe0OTJKHZE5iKN7jjjDYxKranHyalbTzFQn3qM4FVeCwT2dyXfDI= Received: by 10.142.230.11 with SMTP id c11mr672518wfh.1196825850648; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.1 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:37:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <228c7530712041937q4b83748brb03678534f6995f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:37:30 +1100 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:38:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon! slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of the dance lessons, it would give away too much. Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball around here... B M 2007/12/5, Sharon Collier : > > The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we dance > the > rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea completely. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Rickard, Patty > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:04 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more > appropriate place than a wedding). > > Patty > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > 2007/12/4, Cin : > > > > So, what's your > > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > > > > Hi! > > The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a > wedding > coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I > won > one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to > my > measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his > wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished). > > So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have > lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its > specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own > dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more. > > And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes > to > match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even > convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our > wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able > to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the > question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on > 'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant > dance > of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies). > And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning > version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up > with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and narrow silhouette you > see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- > http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg, > http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg, > http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreA > ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg. > > So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress > dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' > to > make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of > netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our > knees > can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me, > anyway. > > Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad > luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German > tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large > pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait > until > he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up > in > an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation. > (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress, > but > you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch). > > All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams" > by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and > ideas > which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns. > > Love to all > B arb ara M > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 03:36:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB58Zr9m002843 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:35:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB58ZQF2004707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:35:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB58YBTF096565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB58Y6Kx042972; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB58Y2K4042898 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A22A59D03BA; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:32:42 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <228c7530712032015q67dff150m6d81c61a63cfea2a@mail.gmail.com><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02965B4C@lynx.campus.muc.prv><008901c836c1$0261efe0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <228c7530712041937q4b83748brb03678534f6995f2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:33:45 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c83719$8d285580$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg28D376xJADfktQwefvLLz7IO65AAKSgow X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <228c7530712041937q4b83748brb03678534f6995f2@mail.gmail.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca30b1ff-545a-40cc-946f-80c3f7e09de7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 475662CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:35:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Instead of wearing hoops, wear a couple of petticoats, after all, that's what ladies did before hoops were invented. And no wire at the bottom. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon! slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of the dance lessons, it would give away too much. Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball around here... B M 2007/12/5, Sharon Collier : > > The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we > dance the rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea > completely. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:04 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more > appropriate place than a wedding). > > Patty > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > 2007/12/4, Cin : > > > > So, what's your > > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > > > > Hi! > > The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a > wedding coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it > myself, so I won one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I > took home, adjusted to my measurements and proceeded to find that it > was suitable to first model his wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, > now finished). > > So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I > have lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond > its specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my > own > dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more. > > And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our > clothes to match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this > list have even convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a > hoop skirt. But our wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the > gentleman should be able to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. > Again, hoops are out of the question! :-( I have since had the > privilege to watch a wonderful show on 'The Evolution of Dance', and > it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance of each time > corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies). > And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, > fast-turning version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards > actually came up with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and > narrow silhouette you see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- > http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg, > http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg, > http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/Pierr > eA ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg. > > So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the > dress dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' > to > make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of > netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our > knees can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering > to me, anyway. > > Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's > bad luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in > German tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have > to cut large pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him > away or wait until he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I > don't want it to come up in an accidental internet search, so he can't > stumble upon this conversation. > (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding > dress, but you can apparently revert that if someone else does the > last stitch). > > All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams" > by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and > ideas which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns. > > Love to all > B arb ara M > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 04:16:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB59GVuN008982 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:16:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB59G3h5029304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB59FR02099569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB59FPK5078949; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB59FKWB078863 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.56692199; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:15:01 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id lB59Cq027944.; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:12:53 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:12:52 +0000 Message-Id: <47566B8102000014000DF083@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:12:33 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Polish dress 1475(?) References: <200712050338.lB53bcq1021583@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712050338.lB53bcq1021583@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd47b586-339b-4141-86a8-d9844625d1e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47566C53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:16:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some = sort of beaded veil? (another) Kate > So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then >another band? >Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise? >Kate=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of J.E. Marshall Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know = of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? = I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems = that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29=20 Jennifer what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon.=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 04:45:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB59jP37013426 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:45:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB59j1Ed001387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:45:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB59iPaC001749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB59iONY005356; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.114]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB59iJXd005228 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 72175 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2007 09:44:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=eCH2J+ZUI0n+7SJ2F1hnkVP9RSDaGZfW2vRgyfJviTIq8EkYWWgD3/VcgQ67JP1h2n7oPgnUJDpFPTfzDcDVGBnrdpK/PzgQ/TwFQCruhXy0Ms5dG5cWg/FjiEXKet1gZoNLnjnoqJ/4vk92lKB4A4jytPHIPyM0VMDjUiee1ms=; X-YMail-OSG: mfbPBeYVM1nz0zWQnFxuU3kVXUcTNn6pkHaT89lgO_CwZBKa1DJmdINhkUtG31Dxr5Or9gPY37_mAUfwKDSZBK7JrE_H5SPI5Y_. Received: from [66.196.116.52] by web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:44:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <291568.71799.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? And other unmerry ramblings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f97d31ed-9ccc-44cb-a783-f0557167796c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4756731D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:45:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sadly, one of them is packed, one awaits staging to sell the house, and the= third supports the only project I vainly attempt to try working on, which = all but hasn't happened yet. Pretty much all inspiration has died in me. A = friend of mine suggested it was the grief/guilt, having found pleasure and = satisfaction in a talent rather than a marriage. When the talent gives more= pleasure and satisfaction than the marriage, it's bound to happen. I've be= en having a lot to trouble with the whole guilt thing. So, I've given up tr= ying to make anything for now - heck it's taken me days to get the Christma= s decorations up. Painting the house is a new adventure in hell. Then again= , I have never had to do it alone before, and running into all those cute n= ostalgic holiday things from our early days didn't help matters any. I don'= t know when it will return. But I lurk here, reading away, creating vicario= usly through everyone here. I hope to get back in the saddle one day soon. =0A=0AAnyone that was interested in my stuff I wanted to sell off, I= *had* the measurements and prices up for at least half of my collection, t= hen my darling ex pulled my Picasa file (it's now a 404 error, oh joy), dum= ped all the text and shut down my website. He's working hard to obstruct me= professionally, knowing that I am creatively frozen and basically without = income because of it. So I am right back to square one. I think it would be= best if you just emailed me with what you are needing, I'll send you those= specific measurements and photos, and we can work from there. That way he = can't obfuscate my transactions. I have the original emails back when I fir= st offered this, but I am unsure if you are still interested since a consid= erable time has passed.=0A=0ATrying to find merry in this season,=0A=0AKath= y=0A =0AIt=92s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot= =0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Ir= ish proverb=0AOne can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to s= oar.-Helen Keller=0APeople don=92t mind being used; what they mind is being= discarded.-Chris Matthews=0APride makes us do things well, but it is love,= that makes us do them to perfection.-H. Jackson Brown=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A = Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! = Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 05:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5A9NhA017518 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:09:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5A8wxc027387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:09:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5A8FA9003754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5A8CO4028396; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5A7Yrg027752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-120-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.120]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lB5A7U2b027452 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:07:32 +1100 Message-ID: <003d01c83726$a4d24df0$78d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:07:27 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4990/Tue Dec 4 11:38:56 2007 on mail11.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d97cf860-3e4b-4ce3-a4ff-8f26c7f9f1d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475678BA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:09:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anne (named after Anne Boleyn for the lack of a head and the fact that she often wears Tudor era clothing) is only wearing underwear as I just used her to balance the skirt for my mid 1850s day dress, I'm currently cartridge pleating the skirt (it's gathered but I still need to sew it to the waist band) and after that I need to sew the darts on the bodice, finish the edges of the bodice, sew on the hooks & eyes (thank you the inventor of hook & eye tape), make a collar, and then get the bonnet finished (at the moment it's just a basic straw shell and needs a curtain and lining). I've got a week and a half to do all this and I'm hoping it will be not be too hot to wear it on the night. -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, > h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the > dummy and > *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your > worktable, at the sewing > machine or in the embroidery hoop. > - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 08:00:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5D0qw3007120 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:00:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5D0R7F004461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:00:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5Cx6jY022534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5Cx0RJ011845; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5Cwvpj011731 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.75]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071205125851.HSVY19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:58:51 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.75]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071205125850.GVXP8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:58:50 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:57:42 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Articles from journal 'Costume' on-line Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071205125850.GVXP8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b4128c4-9186-456e-a7b7-040144d07272 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4756A0EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:00:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Hilary, None of the universities in my part of the USA have access to the Maney journals of interest: Neither back issues, current subscriptions nor online. I am an old student (never quit studying!), now retired. To get the issues, I must subscribe personally. Maney is willing to sell me online subscriptions to sets of journals at reduced rate, but this quickly becomes very costly... and still does not address the problem of back issues. I might as well subscribe to the paper copy. I subscribe to Costume and have all back issues (except 1-5, which I would very much like to get) in my personal library. I have a few back issues of Textile History, but the subscription is beyond my budget (or rather books win over journals in priority). I am seriously considering a subscription to Medieval Archaeology. I wonder would any of the UK universities with ATHENS consider a (very) long distant student? Take care. Beth At 09:37 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:28:00 +0000 >From: Hilary Davidson > >Further to Wanda's post - below - from the 4th November (sorry - >slowly reading through old messages) > >If you're connected with an academic institution in the UK and have >or can get an ATHENS password, you may well be able to access, free, >the online version of Costume through Ingenta Connect, the on-line >site that Wanda mentions. > >http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/cos/2007/00000041/00000001 > >Usually your friendly uni librarian can arrange an ATHENS password >http://www.athens.ac.uk/ and it's extremely useful for all sorts of >sites, but at the same time amazing how many students aren't told >about this service. there may be an equivalent US service. Then you >can download individual articles in handy PDF form from Costume, and >Textile History which is also highly recommendable, for textile >related articles, conference and book reviews. Then once downloaded >and printed off, who knows where copies could end up? (though I'm not >condoning breach of applicable copyright - reasonable use for >research purposes only!) > >Typical - I don't post for years then do two at once.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 08:41:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5DfJvM008494 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:41:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5DetWD032742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5DeLlU029015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5DeJwi056497; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:40:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB5DeFoC056314 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 37052 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2007 13:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.165.202 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2007 13:40:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XbllTQgVM1kAjs40NJntThgFRQwqX8tH7wWc0mBEQrVk6s.HQK.iFI64MfiJsAJ14f13cBmRaIhaPBqv6xSraR2teh6Qu1nkjPLIcZDktU3e6h4sOVUy Message-ID: <003e01c83744$5df48970$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <291568.71799.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? And other unmerryramblings Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:40:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc8f4773-7b80-497b-929b-391ac3a3adca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4756AA67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_FINGER_02 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hang in there, Kathy; I hope you can discover a new venture of creativity that will not come with the baggage of bittersweeet memories. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? And other unmerryramblings Sadly, one of them is packed, one awaits staging to sell the house, and the third supports the only project I vainly attempt to try working on, which all but hasn't happened yet. Pretty much all inspiration has died in me. A friend of mine suggested it was the grief/guilt, having found pleasure and satisfaction in a talent rather than a marriage. When the talent gives more pleasure and satisfaction than the marriage, it's bound to happen. I've been having a lot to trouble with the whole guilt thing. So, I've given up trying to make anything for now - heck it's taken me days to get the Christmas decorations up. Painting the house is a new adventure in hell. Then again, I have never had to do it alone before, and running into all those cute nostalgic holiday things from our early days didn't help matters any. I don't know when it will return. But I lurk here, reading away, creating vicariously through everyone here. I hope to get back in the saddle one day soon. Anyone that was interested in my stuff I wanted to sell off, I *had* the measurements and prices up for at least half of my collection, then my darling ex pulled my Picasa file (it's now a 404 error, oh joy), dumped all the text and shut down my website. He's working hard to obstruct me professionally, knowing that I am creatively frozen and basically without income because of it. So I am right back to square one. I think it would be best if you just emailed me with what you are needing, I'll send you those specific measurements and photos, and we can work from there. That way he can't obfuscate my transactions. I have the original emails back when I first offered this, but I am unsure if you are still interested since a considerable time has passed. Trying to find merry in this season, Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Keller People don’t mind being used; what they mind is being discarded.-Chris Matthews Pride makes us do things well, but it is love, that makes us do them to perfection.-H. Jackson Brown Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 09:20:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5EKMNM009738 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:20:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5EJuRP022285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5EIj1G033166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5EIhs7097374; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp11.kp.org [162.119.242.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5EIdbj097302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id lB5CEQfI013881 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:18:38 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:18:32 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200712050337.lB53bcpx021583@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:18:29 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/05/2007 06:20:05 AM, Serialize complete at 12/05/2007 06:20:05 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2007-12-05 - 06:18:38 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81884e65-c22c-46b6-9ce7-04d3ef00974e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4756B38C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm confused, I thought you were considering making a dress that goes with the 1830s suit he'll be wearing...? 1830s dresses don't have hoops, those weren't "invented" until sometime in the 1850s (I can't remember the exact date). Which isn't to say that the corset might make Tango a bit challenging... -sunny > Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon! > > slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? > Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and > it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. > > The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the > dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't > practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of > the dance lessons, it would give away too much. > > Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball > around here... > > B M NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 09:35:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5EZBTK010180 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:35:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5EYViT002991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5EY9W7035424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5EY7lW014385; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:34:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5EXFVV013390 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1056832ana for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dR5QlEbmrw/dhvKhJ4TplDSD+iXT9iiuL7HU4FZQWBg=; b=jdkMVUiRioZN8peEgOWEVd5M6BjkRrXhr4KoFZxoJF4D35ik18rmR45hNAbE7fkT1EvwESfxlYPfcIxO/+8ixD6ctNXJL4YS9njhJf8NzG+WDi0rDme/9W7+8YRrwEPVSmSPPU0nj+ROhMUoay9pnzs4EDAzT/j7UIQpboiXlH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DUwtI+F1POEXqAsZhOy+/X5Y/NM/vmZRmWxpKJi7hV9SViyeasrAUeAMGpfLoaWyQIvAc/HG2MgfwQyLy2BAa15YptD//VarFsgyqfJ9bfcbDtuMrbL0AVDVVZeqH2MCc0GJl5Ksa5nZ6Rn5VPm/LiktPikAS2qOec1oDW53+xg= Received: by 10.100.205.9 with SMTP id c9mr4207739ang.1196865192066; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.25.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070712050633n21105fafsc60f641f5db4683f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:33:12 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b1ac5a3d-afaf-4f04-a630-0a4bd7c8a115 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4756B6F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:34:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Folkwear has a nice bathing costume patetrn--early 20th century. Katy On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Aylwen & John Garden wrote: > Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I > thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember > the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. > > Many thanks, > > Aylwen > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 15:12:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5KCMQ9020099 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:12:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5KBvnI029243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5KAX0B090177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:10:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5KAOH9046974; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5KACv3046677 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071205201011.ZLMG18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:10:11 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.87]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071205201011.SWVO7367.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:10:11 +0100 Message-ID: <20071205201011.SWVO7367.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:10:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.87] at Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:10:11 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <003501c8377a$d6d76fc0$5743a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] needles update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56b48b88-d164-4c39-af70-12f88378b029 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4757060D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:12:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, I just wanted to finnish the diskussion about needles, in telling that i = received my needles from London this week, i have ben using one of them, = a sharp nr 12 for 2 days, embroidering on the waistcoat. Today i = embroidered about 12 hours in a row, and my needle is still straight. = Usually all my needles gets bended by use, but this Johna James needle = is still straight......... Very happy to have found these.......... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 15:35:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5KZSK4021378 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:35:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5KZ3xk020846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5KY5UK094735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5KY2Hv079073; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.48.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5KXuDs078922 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 39755387DE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:33:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Polish dress 1475(?) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:35:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <47566B8102000014000DF083@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b8bd6b3-c2cd-4d67-b2de-1f2309403fb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47570B77.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:35:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My guess is that it is a sheer caul with pearls. German examples of pearlwork cauls. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cranach_Cleve.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:3-vornehm-Damen-1525.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._010.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._050.jpg By the way, the "portrait" was made in 1502. De -----Original Message----- And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some sort of beaded veil? (another) Kate > So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then >another band? >Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise? >Kate -----Original Message----- I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 17:38:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5McgYx025427 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:38:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5McFqD003771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:38:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5MbCcN016956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5Ma8Gm059272; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB5MZ99X057538 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90016 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2007 22:34:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=2j6UtC9jNdK0cV/q2072r+XN+HW0/RzplHhH81KFSvdrJGw/Ysw7BXJtdcTc60tW//L+n8q2yxEy19tWcSeLgyBA9DJT7I06EIzkx/bAXlLWvpfoTQ1osUNpqSwcblgU3SMOuhszK0RrQp3bEFdc8VxBqkDloQlvr9YeYO68pG8=; X-YMail-OSG: t.gz7wEVM1nY7s78l_fKk4BVe.DOW1c5wB4E3iKQer_RYJ.mhV5rsfX3hMm9YqkZBG_n9FxqvsIsOgFfToxrNfUQR_dB5QAm5MOHJLH5qPgJlc8zpik- Received: from [71.212.19.252] by web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:34:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <281580.89669.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d87aff0-eb50-43a2-8670-42b91c2f79a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47572857.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:38:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn Wolfcat who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 18:56:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5NuOx7029244 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:56:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB5Ntw5U001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:56:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB5NsW0k028268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5NsQxY064475; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB5NsL66064294 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VVkYp1daEE5P41UNdHuSIkGVrIy71e2lHcU7koAaKMvZNeB5RiSOBA2EmgsahAs2; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.253.162] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J044G-0006w7-DI; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: <015f01c8379a$2fcc7980$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" , "Historical Costume" References: <281580.89669.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:54:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48cd24c96991d1863fe0f440bc808a86d1c965d6d45243e2d1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.162 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0ca7c7f-93b7-4feb-a1cb-4e550bf59eef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47573A8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:56:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (snip) > Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used > so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written > descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long > lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel > combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's > without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look > like an inspired costume.< I've got some antique trims from the 1880-1900 era if you'd like to come over and look at them. Keeping me company while I tear my hair out, oop, I mean sew, would be ok, too. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 19:10:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB60Alx0029642 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:10:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB60ALbA001117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:10:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB609mDQ029497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB609lLJ081826; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB609huH081663 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 95033 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2007 00:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.169.189 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2007 00:09:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3fk2YKIVM1lf9OuGjVkSKqMu.e5oSDkL0Rvuaxzck3HXwtn9CGPwuqE3B1QOWUZNuI74MP6LqxzvRgJtQ6Q7FXPBxntUU8bBGRMsDFgJzHuQV1v6Piwt Message-ID: <000c01c8379c$4d2a41e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <281580.89669.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0780f6be-3b90-489b-9bb3-97a5fb18d9a0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47573DED.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:10:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From my own take on the styles you have chosen: The first two are about 1898/1900 and the third is between 1892/97. The sleeve is the teller for the bodices and the skirts are more tailored with hip molding then you see in the earlier drabed skirt. If you have Fran's books, compare the pattern shapes she gives for skirts in this period and make any adjustments on the patterns you are using to correspond with those lines. I have been using them to do h-costume in minature and have been delighted with the results. View 1: The vest you speak of will be the front only section. This will be completely finished and lays over the muslin underbodice. Use a good weight velvet (I would choose cotton velvet, as it has anatural body that will not need to be underlined itself.) As the layers are assembled, you will wnat to watch for too much bulk. The gimp braiding used on this garment was usually wool or silk. In order to keep the scale of the proposed trim, it should be 3/8" or 1/2-5/8" This may be hard to find except with some fancy work. View 2: Very interesting. The fur trim is very period and chique; however, if you can't lay your hands on real fur...Persian or otherwise...you might want to set this one aside for a while. View 3: Fabric should be a little lighter and drapeable. With the lace trim, it speaks of annother season of the year than winter/transition. Do not omit linings and interlinings on any of these designes as these are all needed to support and maintain the general shape and flow of the gown. The fastenings will all be hooks and eyes. The fit of the underbodice is very important. This will establish the fit; all else of the bodice is "upholstering" if you will. The colors and yardages you report all seem to work well for the period. I look forward to your report of choice(s) and progress of the project. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? > Greetings folks! > > It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After > much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early > Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little > help with details. > > Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing > Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the > person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's > books). I've been going through my book and the local library's > selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general > silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, > and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, > with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. > > I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning > experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get > a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that > time period. > > My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and > Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will > help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. > > The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as > follows, with questions at the end. > > A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF > > B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF > > C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg > > > A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue > cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. > The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts > connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. > > > B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta > colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of > bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. > > C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in > the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. > Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black > accents and a violet satin waist and belt. > > Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought > of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back > would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can > clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? > Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? > > Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used > so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written > descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long > lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel > combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's > without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look > like an inspired costume. > > Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock > green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of > lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 > yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards > of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose > linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, > satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all > plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that > way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? > > > Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing > with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. > > Thank you for your time! > > JonnaLyhn Wolfcat > > who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I > have EVIL friends! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 19:32:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB60WjC1030365 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:32:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB60WK2X009315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:32:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB60Vjs0032169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB60VhBq007150; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB60VejK007087 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so26288rvf for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:31:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Wz/aicXa+qL6lCtlX2PsijsYR1es8ZLVILqE3Bxh+OU=; b=cbSa9fBMU3FYpvIxq+N/N/WqWeXdWieprNAnk0k+5Jb9ZWuahR5mt0q0bDqO1sBqS03Bw/6wU/ffWROke3fRcveDb9+zsJJ5JX33cH5NH41flXy2ED+Pg/bHZFdN7FsNZkAsO1Pt9VdrllPlQqnkNsvwPwgO6enNTojDGrLqJgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oB42nBkGvEVRJgA0J4eQdPbPllWrRaLOaU1mGp79ScrpHOnbRIegWuDp2AT3MkxT5C/uZ6UIcncop4po83saCMVbtpCITO/iUjujFZ0WMuv+FJiB+n850+xVEfSnxi5ji0q4K5SHfPbjb0UOA0H3NJe+Fhb8QbTn6sKwrHodYDg= Received: by 10.142.89.9 with SMTP id m9mr1437882wfb.1196901100770; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.1 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:31:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <228c7530712051631s895680ap7c534dd2ea222117@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:31:40 +1100 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200712050337.lB53bcpx021583@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3eb73313-5514-4239-b2dd-79a99b8e3b56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47574314.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:32:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, thanks for pointing this out! When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I definitely see the style around much later. I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently, they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. Thanks, B M 2007/12/6, Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org : > > I'm confused, I thought you were considering making a dress that goes with > the 1830s suit he'll be wearing...? 1830s dresses don't have hoops, those > weren't "invented" until sometime in the 1850s (I can't remember the exact > date). Which isn't to say that the corset might make Tango a bit > challenging... > -sunny > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 21:38:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB62ctol002186 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:38:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB62cVYR027356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB62bKPl044477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB62bHeB032367; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB62bChb032286 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.31.48.163]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 7193926-1928045 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:36:58 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [61.69.24.208]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8p) with ESMTP id 240702302-1928045 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:36:54 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:36:53 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern Thread-Index: Acg3sNxPGx7ZzqOkEdyq/QADk7ERAA== In-Reply-To: <3586f5070712050633n21105fafsc60f641f5db4683f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=36, out=0, spam=0 ip=61.69.24.208 X-X-Originating-IP: 61.69.24.208 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8f758fb-1a7f-47fb-b2cf-7e3b2a020721 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475760A7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:38:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for all your help. I found my pattern - its the mantua maker, multi sized one. I love the ageless patterns but like flexibility in sizings. And the folkwear one looks good, but my budget won't stretch this Christmas - I'm using my fabric stash to make presents this year, less costly and gives me more room to add more fabric once I've saved again!!!! Cheers, Aylwen Earthly Delights Music ~ Dance ~ Costumes ~ Dance Books & CDs http://www.earthlydelights.com.au On 6/12/07 1:33 AM, "Katy Bishop" wrote: > Folkwear has a nice bathing costume patetrn--early 20th century. > > Katy > > On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Aylwen & John Garden wrote: >> Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I >> thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember >> the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Aylwen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 5 22:39:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB63dOcw004179 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:39:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB63d0ph020707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB63akSd049161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB63ai7Q084941; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB613cPF042193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lB613Y23031983 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:38 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65307.72.13.239.193.1196903018.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <228c7530712051631s895680ap7c534dd2ea222117@mail.gmail.com> References: <200712050337.lB53bcpx021583@net.indra.com> <228c7530712051631s895680ap7c534dd2ea222117@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tango in a Hoop X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 66b872b8-2da3-43ec-8b08-6c050e212a05 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47576ED4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:39:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi B, Your notes really got me thinking and remembering both myself and friends planning "historic" weddings. I finally had the lightbulb go on for myself 'way back when I was discussing music with Patri Pugliese. I had favorites ranging from 18thC to 1950s swing, and wondered if it was proper to arrange the music in chronological order? He said that he planned balls for a specific eras and would never mix it up that much. I realized that I could do whatever I wanted, it's not a historic event, and I should throw in everything I felt like doing! Earlier you mentioned how ballroom attire fits the prevailing dances of the era. For women, at least, because men have been wearing breeches/trousers for a coupla centuries and are not dealing with different widths & lengths of skirts. So, about this tango — I'm wracking my brain about the early development of it, and all I can remember is Richard Powers saying that it was originally done by the wrong sorts of people in the wrong side of town. I don't know if there was anything tango-like going on in the 1830s, but if it was I doubt it involved the intricate legwork of modern Argentine style. Practice is helpful, and essential so if you two are dancers and want to show off a bit for the relatives. He can wear any trousers to practice, and you need to wear a skirt of the same length/volume. I know what you are saying about the rehearsal skirt giving a clue to the shape of the wedding dress. But remember, historic weddings are really a 20thC thing. For most eras (even the 20thC), wedding dresses followed the prevailing style, so a groom would know what to expect as far as the shape of the skirt they bride would wear. I'm hearing a lot of conflict and specific things you want to do, and came up with a few suggestions. - practice in the same type of skirt and don't worry about it giving clues to the dress style. - find a different dance style that can be easily done in the dress you want to wear. - change the dress, or the skirt, or de-volumize the skirt (make it to remove the puffiness) for the reception. You still have the impact for the wedding itself, kind of like how modern dresses with trains are made to bustle up. - Have a really flexible attitude or a huge sense of humor about it all. If you're worried about it looking good in the photos or video, and you're not going to practice in the skirt, weeeeelllll... -Carol > Hello, thanks for pointing this out! > > When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I > definitely see the style around much later. > > I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. > > I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently, > they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. > > Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any > skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a > petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. > > Thanks, > B M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 08:19:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6DJCnP007772 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:19:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6DIdG4002865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6DHWoM096851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6DHTAQ034588; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.219]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6DHPfH034456 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.19]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:17:20 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:17:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.56.178.126 by BAY133-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:17:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.56.178.126] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:17:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acg3uPhWC/mnuA48ToCHwP+nceuS6AAUTVeQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 13:17:20.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[54CDC8E0:01C8380A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] FW: Tudor costume & effigies database update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61e8fb99-1ecc-4f74-baca-f6019ddf00e2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4757F6AF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cool...in case you haven't already gotten this... Sg- ---- Original Message ----- From: Jane To: Effigies Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Tudor costume & effigies database update I am pleased to announce the addition of new effigies to the Costume Research Image Library (CRIL) at a new, user-friendly web address: www.tudoreffigies.co.uk. Please visit, take a good look at the 36 new effigies (all of which are in Sussex churches) and do send me feedback at the email address below. I would like to know: why are the effigies interesting to you, how you will use the information they provide, and how can the database be improved? If you are in touch with other people who would like to know about the Tudor effigies available online, please pass on this message. If you manage a links page for a relevant website, please add www.tudoreffigies.co.uk to it. Thanks for your interest - and, to previous database users, thanks very much for your patience while the address change and upgrade have been happening! A third phase of research in Essex is underway (thanks to the Pasold Research Fund). Your comments help the project progress and provide sound evidence for future grant applications. The research centre at Winchester School of Art is coming to an end after five successful years. This means that the database needs new funding or rehoming! Regards, Jane M-D (Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies) jane@jmdandco.com Apologies if you have already received this once. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 08:41:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6DfEx9008611 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:41:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6DefGu002239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:40:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6De56i098873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6De3cO057171; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6DdwGa057035 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so58025ana for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=09zp1y9Q65GtWEv8UWca4Chg9iwii0DS59tGCQeNwBE=; b=TJIyv/XoGmNIlfA1aWIKarXuFu8feh8p98TekmSQXeCPofiKjDsHR/td+5YFhXhFEIT46Z7NxFsvwQ3N3jNRKK6ofCyavvsNOK6rDJvR+ZopIlN0i6Pnf7agLWzSDFI9NFc5tMRP5dd3GGdKgCja+x10mr8+sHySV4BruBEr7d4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pz0g/pvo2CExPNNGb6jKoPlNwcwNd/hlhdywB4ZJ0mRJ8UWceyUXHFXzBUZ/p7G2tw0/agHYmP1BbRyjyPQe8RCWVWzw+bhzZcrCcKPRwLUJAXBauIqhK5cvpBr4s2VbulYRk9M4rm61VVdsIiqhxk+mHHX3E/IAZ1MJlsTOmoQ= Received: by 10.100.194.17 with SMTP id r17mr6729562anf.1196948397592; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.25.16 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070712060539s379ed4bflac71253f57906cef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:39:57 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? In-Reply-To: <281580.89669.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <281580.89669.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f2db18c-260e-40a3-811c-a2baff7d2782 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4757FBD9.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dress #3, from my site is described as such: excerpt, Delineator, March 1894: (Figure No. 300G/No. 6772) "Shaded taffeta is the material here pictured.......which is admirably adapted for visiting, driving and other dressy wear. The skirt is of the 5 gored variety and, as is now considered correct, present fullness only at the back, the shaping of the gores, together with darts at the top, producing a smooth effect over the hips." "...trimmed with a lace edging and narrow insertion..." (I question the term narrow insertion, looks wide to me) "A very dressy toilette for an afternoon reception may be developed by the mode in shaded or chanegable silk, liberty silk, silk taffeta, crepon, India or China silk or plain or figured crepe de Chine. All sorts of wool and silk-and-wool materials are also well adapted to a toilette of this kind." So it seems any of your lighter-weight cloth, either wool or silk, would work well. Katy On Dec 5, 2007 5:34 PM, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > Greetings folks! > > It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. > > Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. > > I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. > > My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. > > The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. > > A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF > > B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF > > C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg > > > A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. > > > B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. > > C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. > > Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? > > Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. > > Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? > > > Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. > > Thank you for your time! > > JonnaLyhn Wolfcat > > who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends! > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 09:59:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6ExudV012048 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:59:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6ExOIl013641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:59:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6EwFhn008440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6EwBGh062089; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp6.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6Ew615061892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id lB688RRD023524 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:57:56 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:57:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200712061340.lB6DecWU057849@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:59:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You're welcome :-). Corded petticoats seem to be popular from ~1830 onward - I'd recommend looking at koshka-the-cat's work to see how one looks/moves: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/corded_petticoat.html and http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/1840_dress.html I haven't seen much in the way of flounced petticoats (except a bottom ruffle) until post-1850 (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong :-)). If you like the full skirts (in the modern sense of full, not the Victorian ;-)), but not the outrageous sleeves of the 1830s, you might try looking at the mid 1820s styles: http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html#1820 I am particularly partial to this one (at the moment): http://www.fashionmuseum.co.uk/userimages/collection/large/batmc_i_09_1262.jpg However, wedding dresses are highly personal, and I have no idea what makes you go "oooooooh" and feel like a princess :-) Good luck! -sunny ------------- original message ----------------------- From: "Barbara -_- M aren" Hello, thanks for pointing this out! When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I definitely see the style around much later. I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently, they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. Thanks, B M NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 10:55:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6Ftu7E014008 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:55:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6FtNMe003222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6Fse6N015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6FsP4H036257; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6FsI1b036016 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 135128612-1872270 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:54:12 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <281580.89669.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:55:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I like dress C, and you could use the tropical weght wool for it. Or the "black orchid" fabric, which sounnds like faille, a ribbed fabric with plenty of body . Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn Wolfcat who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends! ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 12:56:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6HuLqD017903 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:56:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6HtuXt002555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:55:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6Hso3f035370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6HsRUP020133; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6HsMnM019847 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c52.25607e49 (29678) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:54:04 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Irish cloak X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3222680-b8c1-4e9f-8e39-85d573fb1404 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475837AC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6eba6782-d688-4da0-b126-16d4bb90e8cd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47584D84.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you all for indulging me in my favorite h-cost topic. Euprosnia has her Uniquely You cover off so it can be reworked 10 years later. Love that thing! Not much that I have fits over her torpedo tits at the moment, but she is wearing a purple & white ruffled tulle petticoat so that I can put a waistband on it. Adonis is pretty frumpy in his same-old, same-old. Most of the heads (excelsior-filled hat blocks) have their same hat as last time except for Katherine Howard who has on my late Elizabethan beaded headdress. (Look for a Mary Fitton portrait c 1590-1600 and you'll see what I mean). --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 14:37:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6JbQCM020999 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:37:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6Jb0dL018093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6JaYwl052363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6JaUP3068031; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6JaPqY067737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.81.120] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0MWA-0000sL-8D for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:36:18 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071206193343.0352e758@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:36:14 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: what's your dressmaker's wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:37:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:28 06/12/2007, you wrote: >Thank you all for indulging me in my favorite h-cost topic. > >Euprosnia has her Uniquely You cover off so it can be reworked 10 >years later. Love that thing! Not much that I have fits over her >torpedo tits at the moment, but she is wearing a purple & white >ruffled tulle petticoat so that I can put a waistband on it. Adonis >is pretty frumpy in his same-old, same-old. Most of the heads >(excelsior-filled hat blocks) have their same hat as last time except >for Katherine Howard who has on my late Elizabethan beaded headdress. >(Look for a Mary Fitton portrait c 1590-1600 and you'll see what I >mean). >--cin My dear dummy is now nekkid, waiting for my own Tudor costume for 12th Night, if I ever get it done. The 18th century dress went off yesterday, with a very happy lady. I also have a hooded, mundane cloak to make for my DIL 's Christmas present - and it's less than three weeks to Christmas - yikes!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 15:23:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6KNoc6022316 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:23:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6KN5W8030534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:23:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6KLtuf058966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6KL0Hm034806; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6KK7bS033285 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so160930nfd for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:19:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=BMXuGuBK21xt8mq50SD+z77NhDsskjtUGxCXqHOtRuI=; b=CsGkOop0E7Pj09gjDoNJtNtUqMUhhotChU07Y/0zfMhvBj/j1od7l8S1bDBCQFOXqHVb715I5CkehbQVcQfAjOygo/xxofZs4UHi0QomakBmGdWbSkK3bdr0PnUYgoESnwShfWAHjDPlaR84khlFa6mVfmQMZ4dGeNLQmDxRQYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FMSr3Xim8SsSbSzvHMs6sLjSc/3/kH/ocAC6nu6rlOjWvCSUqwOE9ib2+7CfK+TmmTSJ3QXo74O2aCBchVt2meFVXO9rHxOXAtHjV1qz0kIOSwuSNjUsxbSsVpRnBwGMigobnVy3HhzGJRwHyEr4LjLSh2BoLogSU8VkURzcv24= Received: by 10.86.79.19 with SMTP id c19mr1373708fgb.1196972391376; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.11 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:19:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:19:51 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tango in a Hoop X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c804ae36-47a3-4945-a082-8a154197b8c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47585A29.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:23:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and >it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. >slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? Absolutely shocking, of course. Have one's limbs entangled! Richard Powers (lecturer in dance at Stanford Univ) claims there are 1850s tango figures, tho admittedly they look almost nothing like the 1920s tango or the 1940s Argentine tango, or the modern Buenos Aires tango or international ballroom tango. The earliest I can think of is the tune Habanera from which Bizet's Carmen. "Prend garde a toi!" Bizet apparently quoted musically from a Spanish folk tune. That performance shocked Parisian audiences in the 1870s. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 15:34:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6KYDTw022593 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:34:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6KXVr7006548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:33:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6KWQ3L060267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6KWM7C051809; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6IhoTH094970 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) id <01MOLNAX9FUOA7B30K@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:43:13 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.200.219] (rcmt-cad45.law.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.200.219]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) with ESMTPA id <01MOLNAX2EI0A7B7O8@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:43:13 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:43:43 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <475842DF.3070701@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b33f300f-df79-478e-8331-6aae20efb38f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47585C9B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 15:36:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6Ka4uV022648 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:36:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6KZKms020117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6KYmcL060587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6KYhX1055347; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6JvcwW099543 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.167] (sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.167]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6Jvaqa011134; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:57:36 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8FD65979-8F76-434B-94EB-E029386D2F93@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:57:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?For_your_Belle_=C9poque_inspiration=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=2E=2E?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: a787b04a-578a-45df-b2f2-7c23f970224e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47585D08.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The first commercial bottle sold on Monday, and general sales open on December 21. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 16:10:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6LAPPO023503 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:10:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6LA003019348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:10:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6L9IwE065113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6L9Fag005315; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6L9BN0005205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lB6L96Yo028122 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:09:09 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:09:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63869.72.13.239.193.1196975349.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:09:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tango in a Hoop From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5833944-0bdf-4dfc-88e3-630b87685811 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47586528.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:10:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO B: "We're going to practice the tango at arm's length" Finace: "Why?" B: "No reason..." So did anyone see the Today Show this morning - a couple started their wedding dance conventionally and then switched to "Baby Got Back." I hear their video is on YouTube. No interference with the dress... I found a really nice piece of music for my first dance, sort of a spicy tango-sounding waltz called "Los Higuerones." The band decided they could not do it justice and played another waltz instead. I found this out at the reception. Oh well... -Carol > Absolutely shocking, of course. Have one's limbs entangled! > > Richard Powers (lecturer in dance at Stanford Univ) claims there are > 1850s tango figures, tho admittedly they look almost nothing like the > 1920s tango or the 1940s Argentine tango, or the modern Buenos Aires > tango or international ballroom tango. The earliest I can think of is > the tune Habanera from which Bizet's Carmen. "Prend garde a toi!" > Bizet apparently quoted musically from a Spanish folk tune. That > performance shocked Parisian audiences in the 1870s. > > --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 17:45:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MjTEL026699 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:45:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6Mj1OG005533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:45:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6MiK4o075909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MiGkw026797; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB6MiDrR026621 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 43027 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2007 22:44:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=2u3dBd+QFSKcU2Ee0/bTXiQvmwfZkT3ROYN+75IF40LmxBdrmJyUcvqGuJtvLMFkE4nuW5/njocBRdG9twRzXM+7JrqtqJvwNqp4jdRIOVcuh9k6wzkeDbDNvj83Y9X808WhCOwUNQiaGx57aCIh/dp5eI3+ynr7wXB7zKk5xqY=; X-YMail-OSG: NPRFxKkVM1ko8b7vXhxzlmQXpGMuOVySb6s5xPvzR9C6WcChFbphPeV1G_MA0QwNgyLCPL8UUQIEXsiKaA9OuAoFgkam5VI.OCxyBANgCYVi9nNYzLf1LwIr38Xm7Q-- Received: from [71.212.19.252] by web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:44:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:44:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <755734.42671.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0af724d-4ac7-4bdd-83ad-995cd8cb6ac0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47587B6D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:45:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My thanks to all who've given me input. The hardest part about going into this is feeling confident enough to get started. I'll be getting together with my sister in law just before Yule, and will get to look at what patterns she has to start with, so hopefully I can be working on the undergarments before New Years. So yes, I'll do an update one what choice(s) I work on then. Katy, thank you for the further information on dress C. I didn't see that on your site or would have put it with the information on the gown like I did for the other two. It makes me feel a lot more confident about the fabrics I picked up from Michael Levine's. Melusine, I'll take you up on that offer-the key part will be determining WHEN I can get to your place. JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 17:50:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MokMv026864 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:50:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6MoKwB027570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6MnVP9076533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MnUNN033488; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MnQHA033396 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:49:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so110903ana for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zLn7PW69LGpQnzuMAFWPlyCyi+ypjX3prfWU6p9ibF4=; b=Cd69t0MLCcULJMeFu5Da6vUPzsQLok/C7eA1PLX3F7ZJypIaEabUau+1s0P3wKfcMdA5slFJbwojd9KLgT81glO66si0HV3xbTCj4u1abIg9kneAaMIkhMPQFUrzsrMXMChdqeOy5CUGxWb1EWG4Lot63z4LgpC3gJobqegCyjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q1q7NaD0W7CDBzDmHPJe1YqltxAhkcLBU3v4A617QP8r3NBCi3fBAX2SCcJhvkiPwgC0jtO8jrF7j9zRpxW45Et8c4zDH34QNOa5PUK5FmHb/1HlW8waGVB0fXi/YaJ3liT5CCyPnnmPOPrpMztfBdLgoKdqxXe04F8ee0QSRpk= Received: by 10.100.208.11 with SMTP id f11mr334970ang.1196981363934; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.25.16 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:49:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070712061449x666a63f3tc8f19d7081f326a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:49:23 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? In-Reply-To: <755734.42671.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <755734.42671.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aabe83b8-d493-4337-9735-258ebda28eb3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47587CAC.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:50:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS, SUBJECT_DRUG_GAP_L autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good luck! I'm sure it'll be beautiful. The text is not on my site yet, just in the book---so much do add so little time..... I have a last minute 1820s ball dress to make for a Jane Austen performance Sunday, found a great dobby weave silk today! Really similar in weave to an original 1825 antique dress I have. Last night I was fitting my lining on myself while watching project runway, it seemed so appropriate to be scrambling to meet a sewing deadline while watching the show. Katy On Dec 6, 2007 5:44 PM, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > My thanks to all who've given me input. The hardest part about going into this is feeling confident enough to get started. I'll be getting together with my sister in law just before Yule, and will get to look at what patterns she has to start with, so hopefully I can be working on the undergarments before New Years. So yes, I'll do an update one what choice(s) I work on then. > > Katy, thank you for the further information on dress C. I didn't see that on your site or would have put it with the information on the gown like I did for the other two. It makes me feel a lot more confident about the fabrics I picked up from Michael Levine's. > > Melusine, I'll take you up on that offer-the key part will be determining WHEN I can get to your place. > > > JonnaLyhn Wolfcat > aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 17:53:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MrwMa026972 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:53:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6MrRAO008505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6MlSsr076317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MlR9Q030962; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6MlNLp030808 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=NddanuQADIE41XwebBSEwVWLt+8dC51Wa1GxCDomsWirY8jpon8jJone/jbw7Bg6; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.18] (helo=[4.245.146.18]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J0PUz-00035j-1i for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:47:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <672F5D43-C5C9-4F61-9E7D-59EAE068B699@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:49:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a48a09e3d4e417d9d5ee5ddcdc7e0e3b9e548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.18 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2a80b34-ae32-4553-9c80-e29b967e65f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47587D67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:53:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suggestion from a costumer rather than a bride or a clothing historian: Make the full skirt as a removable separate skirt: attach the appropriate crinoline. Under that, as an underskirt, wear a skirt more appropriately configured for the tango. Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the reception you rrrrip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking into a passionate tango. What theater! Decorum may be restored by replacing the top skirt and crinoline. Two cents from me! Main criterion for any decision: have a good time. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org wrote: > You're welcome :-). Corded petticoats seem to be popular from ~1830 > onward > - I'd recommend looking at koshka-the-cat's work to see how one > looks/moves: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/corded_petticoat.html and > http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/1840_dress.html > > I haven't seen much in the way of flounced petticoats (except a bottom > ruffle) until post-1850 (although I'd be happy to be proven > wrong :-)). If > you like the full skirts (in the modern sense of full, not the > Victorian > ;-)), but not the outrageous sleeves of the 1830s, you might try > looking > at the mid 1820s styles: > http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html#1820 I am > particularly > partial to this one (at the moment): > http://www.fashionmuseum.co.uk/userimages/collection/large/ > batmc_i_09_1262.jpg > However, wedding dresses are highly personal, and I have no idea what > makes you go "oooooooh" and feel like a princess :-) > > Good luck! > -sunny > > ------------- original message ----------------------- > From: "Barbara -_- M aren" > Hello, thanks for pointing this out! > > When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said > 1790, I > definitely see the style around much later. > > I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. > > I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but > apparently, > they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. > > Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much > any > skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a > petticoat > with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. > > Thanks, > B M > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise > using or > disclosing its contents. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:00:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8385B.DC8077EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the=20 reception you rrrrip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt=20 underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking=20 into a passionate tango. What theater!\ =20 Whoohoo - sounds like fun! Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Thu 12/6/2007 5:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's = wearing?) =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8385B.DC8077EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8385B.DC8077EF-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 18:58:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6NwVju029320 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:58:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB6Nw6Rg029090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6Nv0Au085221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB6NuvnR012236; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:56:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB6NusHH012108 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:56:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64138 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2007 23:56:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bf27RjkunyoVGVtBe2u/cuiPETRPlCgSiERJPRF6vpL+LOSu238HK2MZ16RnXf6OmkVyVtCGycHGsRU42M7s58q7BQOoPLw8JrepgaXEAWb7uNLwGdqGmK4QZrMXGir/qWBWMZpj5GkH7NpuAwGmYOLhZubBoKI5c4p0PJLT3CE=; X-YMail-OSG: YWx7iJoVM1lTnfe_zKKqS04xi.GoLAjh_Mbf248vUtnJZ5UTZ4j.Rqhq5FgjDJj.CNNEg.sRUQ-- Received: from [208.179.44.202] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:56:48 PST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:56:48 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <475842DF.3070701@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <609021.63579.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fadd164a-3eab-4bde-a52d-f7b89f98c2f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47588C8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:58:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As I recall, the information that comes with the pattern says it's "unchanged for centuries" or something like that, and claims it's ok for all periods. From the construction of the hood, I'm pretty sure that's not so. Personally, I think it looks like wearing a box-pleated skirt around your shoulders, with a frilly hood attached. MaggiRos --- Adele de Maisieres wrote: > SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > > >A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the > answer -- > > > >Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any > pre-1600 reenactors? > > > > > > > I don't have a reference to hand, but I believe > Kinsale-type cloaks are > 18th or 19th century. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. 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In-Reply-To: <672F5D43-C5C9-4F61-9E7D-59EAE068B699@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <672F5D43-C5C9-4F61-9E7D-59EAE068B699@mindspring.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2149b453-3856-4345-a1ae-ae35ab4edbd2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475895E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:37:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 2007/12/7, Ruth Anne Baumgartner : > > Suggestion from a costumer rather than a bride or a clothing historian: > > Make the full skirt as a removable separate skirt: attach the > appropriate crinoline. > Under that, as an underskirt, wear a skirt more appropriately > configured for the tango. > > Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the > reception you rrrrip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt > underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking > into a passionate tango. What theater! > > Decorum may be restored by replacing the top skirt and crinoline. > > Two cents from me! Main criterion for any decision: have a good time. > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer :-) So cool! Ruth, that was precisely the idea I had a few weeks ago when I went running. Imagine even this: In some wedding parties it's common to auction away the garter of the bride. Every time someone makes the bid, her skirt is lifted a few inches more, to expose more of the leg, until finally the garter is visible. Now imagine this same bride later just throwing off the skirt that was lifted so ceremoniously and hesitantly before. Hm, I guess the bidders would feel cheated... :-) I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make myself... The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open. But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only... oh just if there wasn't so much choice... :-) B M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 21:11:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72BWgJ003229 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:11:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB72B6NU001800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB729lCw001257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB729iJt042796; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB729Qsw042491 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200712070209.lB729Qsw042491@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MdZb1Y00517dt5G0505A00; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:09:21 +0000 Received: from Stuckis.comcast.net ([71.207.13.57]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Me9L1Y00R1DrWf33Z00000; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:09:21 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m_bjSUD5eQAA:10 a=mVUVPbn2f4a2FYWEvKMA:9 a=mHP5A-G5X5ki18cmaAQ2_NMAMB8A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:09:20 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8aa89f01-efaa-4012-a086-32e7a90b1a4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4758ABBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:11:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 07:57 PM 12/3/2007, you wrote: >So, what's your >dressmaker's dummy wearing today? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com Mine is wearing a white linen Elizabethan shift. And an elastic waisted terra-cotta linen street-length skirt that I made because I had pretty fabric and needed a new skirt and it took all of two whole hours to make. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 21:38:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72ci8u003880 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:38:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB72cJtI005211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:38:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB72al5t003658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72ajt3065213; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72agKv065171 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FDD3807D for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:37:53 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <609021.63579.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <609021.63579.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712062137.53228.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3560f79e-91e6-40e7-869c-65faa15f4039 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4758B21B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:38:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 06 December 2007, MaggiRos wrote: > As I recall, the information that comes with the > pattern says it's "unchanged for centuries" or > something like that, and claims it's ok for all > periods. From the construction of the hood, I'm pretty > sure that's not so. > > Personally, I think it looks like wearing a > box-pleated skirt around your shoulders, with a frilly > hood attached. It is my impression that the Kinsale cloak in its present form started to be seen sometime in the 18th century. Never having researched the subject, I'm not certain of that, but based on what I know about 18th c clothing, it seems likely to me. I have one. I made up the Folkwear pattern (without the hood, because I was having a hard enough time gathering the cloak enough to sew the collar on) in a lightweight wool/silk twill blend. I wore it occasionally in fall weather while I was in college. It was a wonderfully fun garment, but I can understand that many people might not want to be burdened with so much material. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 21:48:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72mqbc004113 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:48:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB72mKQQ030230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:48:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB72ltHo004493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72lsDE074321; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB72lpG3074226 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf9.2944ba53 (29679) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:47:44 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:47:44 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef0077e6-06cc-412c-b60c-aeaf821b55f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4758B474.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:48:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 05/12/2007 03:38:38 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: What is wool satin? I've never heard of it. Sounds yummy. Do you have pics? Sorry - not yet, cos I don't often photograph things till they're done. It's wool in a sating weave - is v nice to work with, and quite rare it seems. I have a light brown and a dark brown and am using both in the suit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 6 23:36:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB74aIu8007121 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:36:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB74ZriL015949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB74YhuH015066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB74YetD051619; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB74YcEp051537 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=q2vuBGw0nMmeCMhdfQFXZmIsyXtC/z0WFSs6WICJHzO8+6oemN4cMp7BEgWXDnU2; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J0Uv2-00020W-B2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:34:32 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071206223249.03e96330@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:34:29 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200712061340.lB6DecWU057849@net.indra.com> References: <200712061340.lB6DecWU057849@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e537b0d50f491adcf1eb93d0e843fa3bfa98063b90bb831bfdb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Missing digests again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccfb5cb9-4438-4b5a-ace8-9b17e9793231 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4758CDA9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:35:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Could someone please send me off-list, digests 556 and 557? Indra is skipping on me again..... TIA, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 00:15:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB75FURL008262 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:15:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB75F2LP017451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:15:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB75EXLt017842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB75EWVj078800; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB75ESj2078762 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C46ED3B54A for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:14:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:16:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <228c7530712061637q1041ad3exca62bf3d79d82ac8@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91453bf3-de9a-4cf0-9142-3da1a44e1936 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4758D6D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:15:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, the blue comes from the saying wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. Which was originally: Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a silver sixpence in her shoe. English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. Most women make the garter as the blue something that is worn, you do not have to have the blue garter. Whose telling you have to have a blue garter? You could have a blue ribbon in the bouquet or a little blue bow on the slip. Get a white garter and attach a blue bow. The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. De -----Original Message----- I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make myself... The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open. But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only... oh just if there wasn't so much choice... :-) B M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 00:26:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB75Q5S5008525 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:26:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB75Pbg7018778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:25:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB75PHxT018651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB75PHug085782; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB75PCHL085719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.67] (core-dc-2-67.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lB75P5ZM004617 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:25:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <20AEC9CC-6289-409B-994F-6EA904BAF837@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:25:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daa0d3d2-d7fa-4fa9-b196-b6066ba6b1c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4758D951.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Also have you tried a bridal shop? Any time I've seen a bride's garter, they are blue and white and sometimes with a little ornament (white bell, etc) added. As far as finding/making things, that's something you can assign to a bridesmaid to research and get for you. ;-) -Carol On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:16 AM, otsisto wrote: > Actually, the blue comes from the saying wear something old, > something new, something borrowed, something blue. > Which was originally: > Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue > and a silver sixpence in her shoe. > English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. > Most women make the garter as the blue something that is worn, you > do not have to have the blue garter. Whose telling you have to have > a blue garter? > You could have a blue ribbon in the bouquet or a little blue bow on > the slip. Get a white garter and attach a blue bow. > The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and > fidelity. I think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a > popular color for wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read > that. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me > though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another > tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, > another thing I have to make myself... > > The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It > should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you > rip it open. > > But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that > I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one > skirt only... > > oh just if there wasn't so much choice... > > :-) > B M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 09:25:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7EPqRF014398 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:25:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB7EPQan011394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB7EON9W077592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7EOJdk021842; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:24:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7EOFZQ021726 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:24:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=EZxWJeQgAqDNleKpPx/FFFNvxckLz5bKv+zSe6EmPN6x7yCO7Fjj5VG1CyMjcNlh; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J0e7b-0000Kt-8D for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:24:07 -0500 Received: from 64.202.84.175 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:24:04 -0500 Message-ID: <18165900.1197037445141.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:24:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Irish cloak Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a478cc2d0bf21fdeb2c98b13c7f5f6a47f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 553456e8-066e-45e9-821d-265a233613dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475957D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:25:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When the Kinsale cloak FolkWear pattern was bran-new I made one for my sister, who was a professional musician at the time and traveled in various weathers when her symphony orchestra did "run-outs" into the state's hinterlands. I used black cotton velveteen and lined it with a shiny silver polyester that was backed with flannel, clearly intended as a coat lining. Black frogs for closure, plus of course a big black tassel at the point of the hood (because who can resist tassels?). Yes, gathering all that fabric (body and hood) at the neck was hard--I had to sew all the neck seams by hand. But my sister wore it many, many times (both on run-outs and to the orchestra's home theater) and said it was warm, comfortable, and of course very elegant. On run-outs, the copious fabric gave her the equivalent of a big blanket to curl up inside of in the orchestra's bus. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ->It is my impression that the Kinsale cloak in its present form started to be >seen sometime in the 18th century. Never having researched the subject, I'm >not certain of that, but based on what I know about 18th c clothing, it seems >likely to me. > >I have one. I made up the Folkwear pattern (without the hood, because I was >having a hard enough time gathering the cloak enough to sew the collar on) in >a lightweight wool/silk twill blend. I wore it occasionally in fall weather >while I was in college. It was a wonderfully fun garment, but I can >understand that many people might not want to be burdened with so much >material. > > > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool >than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 10:50:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7FoY49016398 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:50:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB7Fo42f014880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB7FmkrO088756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7Fmfej019387; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7CvlY0036671 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098643807D for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:58:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712070758.58543.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9565025f-b9b9-4e45-9faa-733f14677787 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47596BAC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone here know whether Sally Queen & Associates are doing a costume-related photo calendar for 2008? Both their old and new websites are selling the old calendars, including the one for 2007, but it's December and there's no mention of a new calendar for 2008. Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 11:35:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7GZq0b017914 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:35:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB7GZQkN014928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB7GYurg095063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7GYJec072626; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7GXssb072129 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J0g95-0002rx-RO for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:33:48 -0500 Received: from 4.90.59.228 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <32550229.1197045227851.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:33:47 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69386a74db14edf3783bd8aaf16e355a23790fad917fc14d6b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] THANK YOU ALL X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1064e5a9-d0f0-4523-9b54-e585ceaf0108 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4759764F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:35:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the help with show I costumed recently. When I was designing it it was not known if the show would go up by itself or with another play that was also a winner in the January playwriting festival at Hill Country Community Theatre in Central Texas. So I designed it fully and when it was decided the two shows would run together I asked the director to choose which costumes he would like to see straight through the play. Well, he didn't pick the 'floozy' dress you all helped me with (I'll save it for another show) instead he chose her entrance dress and it was floozy enough anyway. This show pleased me more than any I've designed in a long time and that made me happy. And thank you all so much for your help. BTW, the show was, "Under A Cowboy Moon," by Carl L. Williams, who visited from Houston for one evening and said he liked the costumes. We struck on Sunday last. Ruth Anne, it seems as though we do pretty much the same thing. If you would like to trade info and tips contact me directly as above. The next vehicle is a ply that covers fifty years from 1898 through 1947 with lots of quick changes. It opens in April. Audy, My best to you all! in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 15:23:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7KNfc1027133 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:23:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB7KMh2B024378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:23:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB7KLMwl028685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7KLEQo055210; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7KL7Jf055035 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1062355ugd for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:21:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Gsvw9HTw8t9JhpLUnt/G43kP+YhJDuTJsvFNcPl9S7E=; b=gnLv2hwQPXYWamT9LcOq9Bs+4MF2AovxuxjKfTW2sWDdRzCIBslYzKIfWwcTpcS7qPdIAmj8aAdzD46YdqarooGAEacPjiCtShC+UNT6Bwg4/UoB14DCFJjXUAXOc5DaFOLGgmZv5FBF6XJqtcVNrcU6PRrHwRRBDlQBJsOzhJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UPuYmFjrB9jr/AbEiu0qfYQWOh+prv0NGmSSvSN0a1f/4ovZSMlJk4ACzXpEcbYbn3WZhXXwN1FRTSMZtEMrn6ilJhHJZgatspSAKtGO6XXrJWYvKghWFaD9lPoJam5ktG9kFZEtmzmh3XgAmMEmP9FOIHAEDuSDC+RiMepTV2M= Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr665430hue.1197058864362; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.44.18 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:21:04 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fec6c58-5030-40c2-ae13-c85d7a423a7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4759AB93.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:23:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide. Allison On Dec 7, 2007 2:00 PM, wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:58:58 -0500 > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > Subject: [h-cost] Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200712070758.58543.cathy@thyrsus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Does anyone here know whether Sally Queen & Associates are doing a > costume-related photo calendar for 2008? Both their old and new websites are > selling the old calendars, including the one for 2007, but it's December and > there's no mention of a new calendar for 2008. Thanks. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool > than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 15:36:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7Ka5OG027874 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:36:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB7KZeNQ022455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB7KZE17032285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:35:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7KZ7Wb074118; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB7KYxxs073935 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so718186wri for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vZv/nR2ZctIDVl1uJNc29NHME/z21MBK0pGXaVXx2lw=; b=r4bFG28ezCLTW8MniEI0RwDjeZQa9ALtsHpqZd5KPwP5Rp2TJvVXVbN+2Z4XGKfizv02n2PUHWswKzkx+Sijv0nrEtq6uot2UAVwKynZJ8nztjNJI50MeIPPDEpwBl6CNpvl3yqOXTZFU3uvb4l7Q0+lnr5RQYgrUxoNalgINMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F2MuYag0ZzS0qhfuloYfJsL+U02XcdjfZyyTsKWLcU53jukebX/n8t/IjR7PyAsweCkXu/srnECUORDAAfj39c84jFmYu9Q6MNsK2AsUP+cXldd9LRE3/loyY0Sa/ronOaz1quwkYAXOyn21oo8pB1u9yNELkHSQu+huMp34HEg= Received: by 10.78.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr4232624hud.1197059697354; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.137.14 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:34:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0712071234v4378a1c3i95551d8ec1c28dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:34:57 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09104f9a-3df7-4679-8ffa-1bdf9af846f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4759AE9C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:35:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I heard at Costume College that 2007 would be her last calendar. I always pick up the next year's calendar at CoCo, and was very disappointed. I can't remember when the last time I didn't have a SQ&A calendar on my office wall! Having said that, things can change and she may decide to produce another calendar some year... LynnD On 12/7/07, A. Thurman wrote: > > AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her > latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide. > > Allison > > On Dec 7, 2007 2:00 PM, wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:58:58 -0500 > > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > Subject: [h-cost] Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: <200712070758.58543.cathy@thyrsus.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Does anyone here know whether Sally Queen & Associates are doing a > > costume-related photo calendar for 2008? Both their old and new > websites are > > selling the old calendars, including the one for 2007, but it's December > and > > there's no mention of a new calendar for 2008. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Cathy Raymond > > > > "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a > fool > > than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 21:35:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB82ZljA009510 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:35:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB82ZCD4005900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB82YAdH074515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB82Y7x8034397; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:34:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB82Y3mg034264 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55196 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2007 02:33:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=V7Xi4X9M0aW0QIO4KL9I9m2eQjfu8hW6IB0PJZl2tvdvhgO7bn8hF/AmTvpl7aZVLxFomPHlBFL/WE74xRwijvyzr+E1L8rD5Hu9fhgplOooo4oS5ZKHiuCDL9HFoaL1JKQqaM0RMh93CzugH1kHB7yGlHkgf9OQe4SOlZv7fWE=; X-YMail-OSG: ztirIHQVM1lMcR8bqdCpLgT71NrXjippXQDIYFaUwoGLxDBalcr1MiHEONZrgrAybcXcKfpYDhEl8svPtrYnn3iQeKvHErvPIqEemxCK0X.T22FlNXieMd.CJlNTzrLwfmzPyM68WAo8E3dufD3kFq_aiQ-- Received: from [64.148.18.57] by web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:33:57 PST Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:33:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <863520.55035.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wool satin RE: What's your dressmaker's wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92aa5f09-ac3a-4d84-88e8-4b4b2a38c1ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475A02E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:35:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > What is wool satin? I've never heard of it. Sounds > yummy. Do you have pics? > > Sorry - not yet, cos I don't often photograph things > till they're done. > > It's wool in a satin weave - is v nice to work > with, and quite rare it seems. > > I have a light brown and a dark brown and am using > both in the suit. Deb, I look forward to seeing your suit, when it's done. I lucked into some red wool satin mill ends once, and after twice through the wash on Hot to remove the 'shrink-wrapped' effect (like a layer of plastic along the whole surface), it is very lovely. My piece is aging in the stash. I'll set scissors to it yet. :) Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 22:51:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB83pu2j012313 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:51:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB83pUAM025304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB83oJ7n079926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB83oHe8082384; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from modus0.nventure.com (modus0.nventure.com [208.186.47.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB814hRh067003 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com) Received: from [192.168.1.242] (unverified [131.191.71.153]) by modus0.nventure.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.54) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:03:30 -0800 X-Modus-BlackList: 131.191.71.153=OK;peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 131.191.71.153=YES X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <4759ED88.1090109@krazykatfiberhaus.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:04:08 -0800 From: Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: acdf6a4b-f173-4044-84fe-1f474028cf6f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475A14C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:51:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi there, I am thinking about finally getting a dressmaker's form for myself, but I am not sure which type I should get. Here is the dilemma, I am a woman of ample size (US size 26-28). My hope is, as always, to drop some or a lot of weight, but if I waited to get dressform until I was down to my ideal weight, I would be waiting for several years to eternity. When I pattern draft, I like to stick the pins directly into my mannequin. However, most of the home dress forms I have seen won't allow for that. So, what I want to know is: What dress form would you recommend for a for a gal like me? Thanks, -- *Peggy Viney * *Krazy Kat Fiberhaus* www.krazykatfiberhaus.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 23:19:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84JHBn013189 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:19:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB84IqpI017298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB84ILAE082752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84IKks000541; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:18:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84IHrK000435 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VP5e9tP2X1jAIhheTt0WStlHRGWsjyUnUL0bMMm4AMulhlsT4dFBktfvYyrQJVa0; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.125.76] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J0r8k-0004m0-HQ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:18:10 -0500 Message-ID: <05d701c83951$709423b0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4759ED88.1090109@krazykatfiberhaus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:18:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd484be330c98bb912d055a7ca2759cdecf9bd9aa8b00e01cd47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.125.76 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c0fae27-4300-49f6-99ef-1c5fa28ea716 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475A1B2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:18:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Hi there, > > I am thinking about finally getting a dressmaker's form for myself, but I > am not sure which type I should get. Here is the dilemma, I am a woman of > ample size (US size 26-28). My hope is, as always, to drop some or a lot > of weight, but if I waited to get dressform until I was down to my ideal > weight, I would be waiting for several years to eternity. > When I pattern draft, I like to stick the pins directly into my mannequin. > However, most of the home dress forms I have seen won't allow for that. > So, what I want to know is: What dress form would you recommend for a for > a gal like me? > Thanks, > -- > > *Peggy Viney * Hi Peggy, I've got one that's made of foam rubber with a cloth cover that you take in to fit you exactly, then zip over the foam. I think it's called "Uniquely You", although since I got mine second hand from my aunt years ago I'm not sure. They come in several size ranges, mine is about 14-20, although she may squish down smaller. The thing I like about this one is, you can make several covers to fit different sizes within the range, and you can also corset it to work for different period costumes. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 23:38:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84cbuE013789 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:38:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB84cBEb012669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:38:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB84bht5084657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84bfHn012663; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:37:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84bcwb012634 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DA03807D for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:38:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712072338.51983.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e454751a-b54b-41fc-aca0-b7438985b866 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475A1FB3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:38:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 07 December 2007, A. Thurman wrote: > AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her > latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide. Dang. I was afraid it was something like that. Thanks for the information. Anyone know of a calendar with costume-related photos or art that's being sold for 2008? -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 7 23:46:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84ktQj014193 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB84kUiI015525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB84kBTY085168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB84kBqL017681; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB84k83L017576 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 1932 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 04:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.23.201) by smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.99) with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 04:46:02 -0000 Message-Id: <012C87F4-08F3-44AF-9EA1-2CB56B7FAE2B@benchite.com> From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4759ED88.1090109@krazykatfiberhaus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:52:56 -0500 References: <4759ED88.1090109@krazykatfiberhaus.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ab99654-805b-46de-90f7-198dec35895d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475A21A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Uniquely you - although you may have to add some padding. I made the cover to fit me, then when on the form I needed to add some fiberfill to the belly area to make it fill the cover. But it did make it "me". I don't know if there are any others out there that you can pin into. I actually own two uniquely you forms - one very small one made to fit my sister, and one that is my current size (actually, by adjusting the covers and amount of stuffing, it has accounted for me over a 40 lb. weight swing well). -Megan On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus wrote: > Hi there, > > I am thinking about finally getting a dressmaker's form for myself, > but I am not sure which type I should get. Here is the dilemma, I > am a woman of ample size (US size 26-28). My hope is, as always, to > drop some or a lot of weight, but if I waited to get dressform until > I was down to my ideal weight, I would be waiting for several years > to eternity. > When I pattern draft, I like to stick the pins directly into my > mannequin. However, most of the home dress forms I have seen won't > allow for that. So, what I want to know is: What dress form would > you recommend for a for a gal like me? > Thanks, > -- > > *Peggy Viney * > > *Krazy Kat Fiberhaus* > > www.krazykatfiberhaus.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 8 14:37:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB8JbLl7003540 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:37:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB8JatpF025165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB8JUNkS077252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB8JUIPB032861; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB8GvslF092533 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48979 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2007 16:57:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vzMScY09WLSCQNhS4uXMyEsGRmmA8OPyHlyBqhC+gyKXQt/eiyD/iCOZ4TVw9f8VzXUvXevrSAokbv+udWdY64PnxxhBBqhAACKBuOq7ZPKumkPDcZbqeFeiataD2HaZja17rZZ6dqE+uX9x9s5po+kfklAmoJJ00yI2hwOhoGM=; X-YMail-OSG: iRZX.nAVM1nAEr5CYWLz0SmuT7hNnITUBQm9qeAh1VIwVfkwElX6RUbZC8PnTnTjId1Ar0FXVPMgGzFDW7QyyIhhYJdElSfeXAChSnhllIki3kf42X0- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:57:48 PST Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <757331.48355.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: a450afab-c94c-40aa-813b-c74762f9f9e2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475AF257.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:36:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would be interested to hear any opinions about costumes in this movie...any thoughts??? --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 8 20:45:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB91jSMf019051 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:45:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB91j2Lc010711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:45:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB91hrDf027135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB91hnCB057371; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB91hNwi057049 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:43:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scarlettday@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail31.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.131]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20071209014318H0400a3qn7e>; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 01:43:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.221.131] Received: from [72.145.87.77] by fwebmail31.isp.att.net; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:43:18 +0000 From: scarlettday@bellsouth.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:43:18 +0000 Message-Id: <120920070143.10523.475B4835000F0DC70000291B22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2NhcmxldHRkYXlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d839e577-8c34-4eda-bd1f-17fbe1fa6f44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475B489E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:45:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Before I went to see the movie there was talk of the costumes on another list I'm on of people that went to see it. I agree with what was said about the lace on the collars of the ladies that they looked like dolies. I did not care for the flower that was on Cate Blanchetts head when Raleigh entered the court. The fabrics were OK, but I think they needed more ornimation--jewels, pearls, etc-- espically if it was a court gown. I mean when Elizabeth was on the throne later in life her dresses became more eloborate. The white gown she wore after the destruction of the Armada wasn't bad close to what might have been worn. There was also the mention of zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time spotting them. If they're there someone might be able to spot them when the DVD comes out and you watch it on your computer to get a really close look. Scarlett -------------- Original message from Zuzana Kraemerova : -------------- > I would be interested to hear any opinions about costumes in this movie...any > thoughts??? > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:38:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Found on Flickr.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeabout/1972787094/in/datetaken/ can we get them to insure the next Costume Con? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 00:07:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB957jcQ025836 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:07:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB957JVQ018004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9565Se041190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9562sX007116; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.48.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB955wa1007077 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:06:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CBB60388C3 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:05:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:07:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <120920070143.10523.475B4835000F0DC70000291B22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdef7af4-998f-4dc0-888d-9ca5cf341c2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 475B7807.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:07:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have not seen the movie but if you are speaking of the dark gold gown, the head piece is a bouquet(?) of white and speckled feathers. Gowns can be seen here http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_elizabeth2.shtml De -----Original Message----- Before I went to see the movie there was talk of the costumes on another list I'm on of people that went to see it. I agree with what was said about the lace on the collars of the ladies that they looked like dolies. I did not care for the flower that was on Cate Blanchetts head when Raleigh entered the court. The fabrics were OK, but I think they needed more ornimation--jewels, pearls, etc-- espically if it was a court gown. I mean when Elizabeth was on the throne later in life her dresses became more eloborate. The white gown she wore after the destruction of the Armada wasn't bad close to what might have been worn. There was also the mention of zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time spotting them. If they're there someone might be able to spot them when the DVD comes out and you watch it on your computer to get a really close look. Scarlett _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 13:35:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9IZDf1001730 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:35:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9IYlbd012088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9IXqmi026882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9IXmZY096193; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9IXjei096030 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:33:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scarlettday@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail34.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.164]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20071209183339H0500d30mne>; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:33:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.164] Received: from [74.224.124.170] by fwebmail34.isp.att.net; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:33:39 +0000 From: scarlettday@bellsouth.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:33:39 +0000 Message-Id: <120920071833.2199.475C3502000F302B0000089722243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2NhcmxldHRkYXlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51e4f883-18ff-413e-9b9f-694c66945785 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475C3547.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:34:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, the gold gown was the one in the scene. I couldn't remember what it was made of, but it made me think of a flower. I would really like to see the movie again, but it has left our local theaters. Now I'm off to check out the link you sent. Thank you. Scarlett -------------- Original message from "otsisto" : -------------- > I have not seen the movie but if you are speaking of the dark gold gown, the > head piece is a bouquet(?) of white and speckled feathers. > Gowns can be seen here > http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_elizabeth2.shtml > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Before I went to see the movie there was talk of the costumes on another > list I'm on of people that went to see it. I agree with what was said about > the lace on the collars of the ladies that they looked like dolies. I did > not care for the flower that was on Cate Blanchetts head when Raleigh > entered the court. The fabrics were OK, but I think they needed more > ornimation--jewels, pearls, etc-- espically if it was a court gown. I mean > when Elizabeth was on the throne later in life her dresses became more > eloborate. The white gown she wore after the destruction of the Armada > wasn't bad close to what might have been worn. There was also the mention of > zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time > spotting them. If they're there someone might be able to spot them when the > DVD comes out and you watch it on your computer to get a really close look. > > Scarlett > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 15:38:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9KcJnl005582 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:38:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9Kbqvv030590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9KadZa043330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9KabE0038339; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao04.charter.net (mtao04.charter.net [209.225.8.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9KaWea038181 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:36:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catdevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mtao04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071209203627.OTQJ2230.mtao04.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:36:27 -0500 Received: from [24.205.25.99] by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071209203627.UNLQ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@[24.205.25.99]> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <475C51CF.4030008@alleycatscratch.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:36:31 -0800 From: Cat Devereaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age References: <200712091900.lB9J0Da5027014@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712091900.lB9J0Da5027014@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d88c5f97-0ac5-43dd-80a6-2e9ba3142f10 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475C5220.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >>There was also the mention of zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time spotting them. At first I though I was seeing zip tabs, in fact sometimes on the weird center front closing on the gowns. However, when going over the exhibit pics of the gowns from the Arclight exhibit I found it's a lace and hook arrangement. Check out the detail here, under "Bodice Closing" http://www.alleycatscratch.com/exhibit/Arclight/Elizabeth/Purple_Gown.htm Interesting closing, doubt greatly it's historical. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 17:13:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MD1v8008138 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:13:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9MCZJq031445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:12:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9MB9FX055693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MB3EB036444; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9Lj1qF009204 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c92.1c2addde (29679) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:44:44 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:44:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Greetings From CC28! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea72f623-195d-4885-bdc0-04e3b4f48832 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475C6853.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:12:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! Finally! I am in this group! I have heard about it for years, and thanks to Andy Trembly and Suzanne, I am here! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 17:36:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MadXj008806 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:36:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9MaCnQ010296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9MZhli059802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MZgZE062448; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MZaBv062221 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W38 ([65.55.136.73]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:35:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.59.139.211] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Greetings From CC28! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:36:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Henry wrote: > > Finally! I am in this group! I have heard about it for years, and thank= s to > Andy Trembly and Suzanne, I am here! Welcome, Henry! We were just talking about you. People were wondering about= the dates for CC28, and when the website will get updated (hint, hint!). =20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 17:42:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MgIxx009043 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:42:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9Mfrqr019240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:41:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9MfYcl060300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9MfXTe068749; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB9MfTvB068575 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 47273 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2007 22:41:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4/pWlGPHr9EJvLEEo8Kfsr8/TPyK6QfPvlt0hUFFZ5Gd3Ip5Sz8QPfRTi1GdKfDLnIxEJ1iRuvPL2hwLJyoJU07ZXVHxek4DH5jlp2cLMDcxCwsZ29Q7ypB6i6acbvGYx0f+WEYxELe6xppFUcF8tcKCrrH7w89H7fauV1OMDWI=; X-YMail-OSG: BsiFbm8VM1lAez.i4YnsWT1rE58T02I8NHlN5VKaJ3PpsYzKyQ6GO8AWmUeDazViKHSmIR3vBg-- Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:41:24 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <286981.45151.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Source needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b681cbe-ec66-4f43-83b1-bbaecfe2a853 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475C6F31.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:41:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive eating dagger? We want to get something garb related for Ansel's stocking and a dagger would be about the right size. Thanks for any input. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 18:18:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9NIOru010536 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:18:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9NHxKA007098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9NH4ah064221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9NH24r005781; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB9NGwBO005680 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 1298 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 23:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:16:52 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] now we are all special... 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Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 18:41:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9Nfmid011267 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:41:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9NfMBE024433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:41:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9Nf5oV066231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9Nf4xk026856; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB9Nf1gF026715 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 4878 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2007 23:40:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iQkWqsryQbl/5gxpfhsxxvwvsdGCZTcnEcatI8UbvaQZpccJwC4U8i0ZqR8ZknCqWA5aDng/6sFXGtz7V3vaGvuyU2b6Wi48wfhFifRxJ7pWah+FdgsRsx5ZY3KRqJNxmi1XT3NPSlkPKpkVGWn0AEzjWkoH3D72GRGJLYUKp+I=; X-YMail-OSG: Fw9wurkVM1mZeeyBi1aUSgSU3fLDxLiPc4Gmk_WTi6FF5tafQsEsjR85mC.Ps5izQjHFUwm7ZwlZuaIB.jncLdmVfw-- Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:40:55 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT Source needed To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <773939.4850.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99786362-9e49-4f38-bb79-46bb423c8e0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475C7D22.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:41:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not SCA, he plays Captain Sir Martin Frobisher at the Bristol Ren Faire. --- otsisto wrote: > Is this in context for the Society for Creative > Anachromism? > > Have not ordered from these folks > http://www.swordsofhonor.com/ip-005-2.html > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive > eating dagger? > > We want to get something garb related for Ansel's > stocking and a dagger would be about the right size. > > Thanks for any input. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 18:46:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9Nkdib011463 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:46:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9NkCVV012573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:46:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9NjnXb067012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9NjlPq031845; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9NjfJM031738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-162-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.162]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lB9Njci0018190 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:45:39 +1100 Message-ID: <007601c83abd$9a220590$a2d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c83ab9$958b1520$750d140a@edwardstepobxw> Subject: Re: [h-cost] now we are all special... Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:45:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5041/Sat Dec 8 23:58:29 2007 on mail11.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ed1607b-3147-4ef4-94e3-ea8ae2ba033d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475C7E45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think there should be a sign like that right outside fabric stores, especially the one I work at, costumers are always the highlight of my day, they buy interesting stuff and share fun projects and I understand the jargon. When quilters start explaining their projects to me I'm sometimes left with no recourse but to nod and smile coz they speak a jargon I don't understand or they ask me questions like 'how much fabric would you need for a queen size quilt' and I'm lost, I have no idea what size a Queen bed is (fortunately almost every other member of staff is a quilter so I can ask them) but ask me how much fabric would I need for X time period and I can usually give you a good idea off the top of my head (sometimes you need to elicit a few more details e.g. will the underskirt match or contrast, how full is the skirt etc. but at least I know how to calculate that) -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Betsy Marshall > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:35 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: [h-cost] now we are all special... > > Found on Flickr.com > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeabout/1972787094/in/datetaken/ > > can we get them to insure the next Costume Con? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 19:00:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA00Ilt011843 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:00:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB9Nxqkb023275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:59:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB9NxMbJ068531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:59:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB9NxLol044690; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lB9NxHmt044548 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5072 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2007 23:59:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4M8/1IwSp7SSWMg8IwyvtWfwfJqt6quF6VNbpBrxg5lUWbosrTrMXDm7PWqm6R+brkQ8vz1H63KribOU5aVzl97SC0EdwQSXcc+WN8FULu1BLhQqTKFDiBNCy5kWI2nKM1sF6fSogHw/2ZY/+WU1qF0+2aF+1lvpwBtlmkw71Qs=; X-YMail-OSG: aJw2ISgVM1lKThkMee4An8pNfa60DSkL26iHkxNd9RcWAuTWir3oUTvVwrMXDXH04cl5Qi.G54KotyKFvocQhfA6nmD0tRjxpIwmZdAd4jMrWkRbmSjKa9lbb4bKcg-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:59:12 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:59:12 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source needed To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <286981.45151.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <572908.676.qm@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8123ee9-4c31-4c24-b46d-caada7bfda03 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475C8178.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:59:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi rebecca, I bough this dagger at the Ren Store. It is very nice for the money, I got the bone handle one, also comes in ebony colored handle made of antler. Service is fast, their web page (that follows) also has 2 other daggers that may be ok for your needs. http://www.renstore.com/items.asp?Cc=ES%2DKNIVES&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc= hope that helps, happy holidays, Melody REBECCA BURCH wrote: Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive eating dagger? We want to get something garb related for Ansel's stocking and a dagger would be about the right size. Thanks for any input. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 19:08:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA08Vpu012040 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:08:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA084dk011643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA07g4M069260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA07esc052650; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA07Go4052302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lBA07FAH027402 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:07:15 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Source needed Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:13:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <286981.45151.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ed0a725-3e32-4b9a-b20a-cf59d426f23d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475C8364.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:08:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just an unasked piece of information. Daggers were used for a specific purpose and it wasn't cutting up your food. All the actual eating knives I have seen in European Museums and Marc de Gaukler's actual archeological pieces look a lot like a common eating knife, or a paring knife. The top of the blade blunt and the bottom with an edge. Handles were wood or bone. Taking a look at the pictures that show them actually eating and you will see this. Now that I've given you a whole bunch of information that isn't what you want...http://www.medievalwares.com/new.htm Take a look at the knives about 1/2 way down the page. Your boy can always look snarky at his friends and point out that his knife is a Proper Period Style! My eating knife is actually a fishing knife I bought from Finland. It has a leather scabbard and is the sharpest thing I've ever owned.! It also cost about $6.00 then. Try this URL because I think they made mine: http://www.kellamknives.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1 EEE! I just looked at the prices! I should have invested in this company instead of Microsoft! Still that is the actual form that you are looking for. Here is the URL for a place that might satisfy him http://www.swordsknivesanddaggers.com/catalog/medievalweapons/MedievalDagger s.aspx Best place to find such is at an SCA event with merchants. I've never seen a large grouping that doesn't have a nice selection. I must admit to a real weakness for sharp point objects. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:41 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Source needed > > > Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive > eating dagger? > > We want to get something garb related for Ansel's > stocking and a dagger would be about the right size. > > Thanks for any input. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the > flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 20:11:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA1B5VQ013793 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:11:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA1AdpD005413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:10:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA19SI7075269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA19OUG007338; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA19JZC007261 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9861C3807D for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source needed Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:10:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712092010.37607.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e183f28-4a33-43e0-a4f0-1bddfc1e6853 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 475C920F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:10:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 09 December 2007, Wanda Pease wrote: [snip] > EEE! I just looked at the prices! I should have invested in this company > instead of Microsoft! Still that is the actual form that you are looking > for. There's a vendor on EBay that sells small knives that match the description Wanda gave and that in my opinion would make great eating knives for periods from Viking period to 16th c. (he actually has a few different models for the different periods) at really good prices ($15-$25 USD for his small Viking knives). His EBay seller name is "sussen" and his store name is "Von Sussen Enterprises." I've never bought from him so I don't know how reliable he is. You should be aware that some of his models are your standard fantasy-influenced fare. And, darn it, he doesn't have any of the Viking-style small knives he often has> Here's URLs to a 16th c reproduction and a late medieval one: http://cgi.ebay.com/16th-C-utility-knife-historic-repro-of-museum-find-H_W0QQitemZ300180719258QQihZ020QQcategoryZ156374QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (This one is $50, but claims to be an exact reproduction of an actual find.) http://cgi.ebay.com/14th-15th-Century-belt-utility-knife-with-Bone-handle_W0QQitemZ300179816992QQihZ020QQcategoryZ475QQcmdZViewItem (This one is much cheaper, and the shape checks out with my memory of belt knives from 14th-15th c art. They sometimes have this shape with horn or wood handles, and the prices differ a little depending on which substance is used.) My own eating knife is a reproduction of a standard, single-edged small Viking knife that I bought from Ragweed Forge, but he got the last of their production runs, and I don't think he has them any more. It was $40. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 20:17:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA1HGiU013961 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:17:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA1Gohr008077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA1GUHg075992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA1GSlZ013185; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA1GOp9013032 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.253.100] Received: from [75.45.253.100] (adsl-75-45-253-100.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.253.100]) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBA1GINq030687 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:16:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <475C51CF.4030008@alleycatscratch.com> References: <200712091900.lB9J0Da5027014@net.indra.com> <475C51CF.4030008@alleycatscratch.com> Message-Id: From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:16:49 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7833c850-5ca8-4532-b780-cdccf81c02b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 475C9382.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:16:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't seen the movie yet, but just from looking at the stills... what is it with the fountains of feathers jetting straight up from the top of her head? http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/red4.jpg http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/white27.jpg and especially http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/gold2.jpg which moves straight past queen and right into drag queen. I see numerous other creatively-interpreted details in the stills, but no one expected the costumes in this movie to be accurate to the period. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 21:19:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA2Jqsn015670 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:19:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA2JNwQ012631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:19:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA2IJuc082624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA2IFau063699; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA2IDfb063658 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.253.211.160]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JST004RM9Z0GKI1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:09:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:19:53 -0500 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT Source needed To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <004101c83ad3$265256e0$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <773939.4850.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b90558c1-fa9a-48ea-96cb-73eda1f5fc1a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475CA22C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:19:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hmmm I used to play Sir Martin Frobisher for Rennaisance PLeasure iFaire in Southern California. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT Source needed > Not SCA, he plays Captain Sir Martin Frobisher at the > Bristol Ren Faire. > > --- otsisto wrote: > >> Is this in context for the Society for Creative >> Anachromism? >> >> Have not ordered from these folks >> http://www.swordsofhonor.com/ip-005-2.html >> >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive >> eating dagger? >> >> We want to get something garb related for Ansel's >> stocking and a dagger would be about the right size. >> >> Thanks for any input. >> >> Rebecca Burch >> Center Valley Farm >> Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat > folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 23:49:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA4ngkX019873 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:49:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA4nGvD013688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA4m0Oa097287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA4lsCR086834; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA4loRm086783 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633333807D for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:49:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:49:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200712091900.lB9J0Da5027014@net.indra.com> <475C51CF.4030008@alleycatscratch.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712092349.09919.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 864ce992-e64c-40e2-960d-26cb56f326bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 475CC54C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 09 December 2007, Melanie Schuessler wrote: [snip] > and especially > > http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/gold2.jpg > > which moves straight past queen and right into drag queen. Good God, what is that thing made of? It looks like it's sewn from modern fabric with gold lame painted spots on it. No, wait a minute...I think it's just feathers spattered with gold paint. Either way, I second what you said about it. Ew. > > I see numerous other creatively-interpreted details in the stills, > but no one expected the costumes in this movie to be accurate to the > period. Heaven knows I didn't, since I'd seen the first "Elizabeth" movie by the same director. It's kind of a pity there was no real interest in authenticity, since the neck ruffs seem to have been nicely done, judging by the pictures you referenced in your post. If the right people had cared, this movie could have been at least visually splendid. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 9 23:58:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA4wkqn020452 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:58:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA4wKWK024208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA4w1F1098400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA4w0hW093670; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA4vvrq093616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lBA4vu4a018985 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:57:56 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:04:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200712092010.37607.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Von Sussen Enterprises was: Source Needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f84bac2-b49c-494c-ad03-e5340d6811e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475CC76C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:58:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Way to go Karl!!!! I'm sure I'm leaving out his other titles, but at least three of them are Master and Sir and Viscount Karl von Sussen. I bet he has his own page in the East Kingdom OP. He may be startled to hear this but He is one of the number Princes that I respect the most. He is one of those who disagreed with my ideas of how Drachenwald should run, and the Coronet's Word is Law (Gag, hack, spit!) which I despise almost as much as the Crown's Word is Law, which is far too often brought out, even by the Queens as "The King's Word is Law, which IT IS NOT (yes, I'm yelling in a good natured type of way. If you don't believe me read your Kingdom Laws. Bet they say: The Word of the Crown is Law and then defines the Crown as the King AND Queen reigning jointly. So much for your important history lesson today. Those who forget that it is the same with the President, Congress, and Supreme Court sharing power are likely to find them Cold, in danger, and away from home in a strange place this Christmas. Along with those who remembered and are doing their DUTY as sworn to when they enlisted: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). While some only hear the part about the orders of the President of the United States, the Constitution actually has precedence. At any rate, we disagreed and he came to Curia expecting blood to run. Fortunately I had been warned about what the Seneschal of the time had engineered and the two of us took the newly written piece of junk and made it a working document. Interestingly enough, I've noticed that the present Laws look a lot like those we hammered out those first 10 years of being a Principality. The Europeans have "been there, seen that, and know what the laws of their medieval countries REALLY said and meant. At any rate, he is an honorable man who I would recommend in a heart beat. Not only because of his titles (we all know how much they can be made to mean!) but because he is and was a reasonable man who wanted what was best for the Principality he co-ruled (Princess) but for her people as well. Regina Romsey OL, OP, Drachenwald/East, Now Proud Resident of the Laurel Kingdom of AnTir and the Pacific NorthWet > . > > And, darn it, he doesn't have any of the Viking-style small > knives he often > has> Here's URLs to a 16th c reproduction and a late medieval one: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/16th-C-utility-knife-historic-repro-of-museum- > find-H_W0QQitemZ300180719258QQihZ020QQcategoryZ156374QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > (This one is $50, but claims to be an exact reproduction of an > actual find.) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/14th-15th-Century-belt-utility-knife-with-Bone > -handle_W0QQitemZ300179816992QQihZ020QQcategoryZ475QQcmdZViewItem > (This one is much cheaper, and the shape checks out with my > memory of belt > knives from 14th-15th c art. They sometimes have this shape with horn or > wood handles, and the prices differ a little depending on which > substance is > used.) > > My own eating knife is a reproduction of a standard, single-edged > small Viking > knife that I bought from Ragweed Forge, but he got the last of their > production runs, and I don't think he has them any more. It was $40. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 10 00:40:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA5euNp021559 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:40:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBA5eUVP006353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA5dxwP001160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:39:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA5dtj2021499; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from snark (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBA5dqGI021454 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snark (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833FB3807D for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Von Sussen Enterprises was: Source Needed Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:41:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712100041.12058.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ae956f2-c46c-406a-9377-bdff088da7b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 475CD14E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:40:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Monday 10 December 2007, Wanda Pease wrote: > Way to go Karl!!!! I'm sure I'm leaving out his other titles, but at least > three of them are Master and Sir and Viscount Karl von Sussen. I bet he > has his own page in the East Kingdom OP. [snipping anecdote] >At any rate, he is an honorable man who I would recommend in a heart beat. > Not only because of his titles (we all know how much they can be made to > mean!) but because he is and was a reasonable man who wanted what was best > for the Principality he co-ruled (Princess) but for her people as well. I was mostly just thinking about the quality of the gentleman's products and his practices as a seller on EBay, but if you're personally familiar with him (as I am not) then there's nothing to add! -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 10 13:54:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBAIswKP007653 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:54:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBAIsWYj006763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBAImQrh099604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBAIl4xO025569; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBAIkl6H024927 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 77265 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2007 18:46:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=h77mL/6LPzWppdya3Mew9oIK2jbDIp+EtBqXRfTGiF3rpliDig0fW/4II2QF72rVGHiB/qzxMU77O3SorYy3QXlWyZM/3RM7NWMtCOKELQZAqZ7h8JLPcLFf4rzi1VPhbM51xV8hJ5bVews284/decxa1q+fO8Oho6eDkZ2biFc=; X-YMail-OSG: j51K7WQVM1mwMui_FqBkFz_3JHofVch64fO8iTlZ Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:46:40 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <256051.73832.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Thanks for info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 564b3287-4dc8-41ff-afe9-7b3df19fd74d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 475D8B68.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks to all who sent sources for eating knives. I have ordered one, not the one I would really like, but it will do for the time being. I have saved all the sites for future reference. Thanks again, you guys are always the best source for info. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 10 20:59:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBB1xHKN020241 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:59:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBB1wohU020465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:58:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBB1vgds067060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:57:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBB1vcSc095023; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBAMQb9C046128 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ca8.20075691 (48552) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:26:23 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:26:26 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: CC28 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: bc9a2dc2-2157-4f96-9ad4-eb1074ca6a71 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475DEEDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:58:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/9/2007 10:59:13 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:35:31 -0600 > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Greetings From CC28! > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Henry wrote: > >>Finally! I am in this group! I have heard about it for years, and thanks > to >Andy Trembly and Suzanne, I am here! > Welcome, Henry! We were just talking about you. People were wondering about > the dates for CC28, and when the website will get updated (hint, hint!). > > --Robin > __________ That's what Andy told me. I let my Webmistress know about that. The dates are May 7th to 10th, 2010. And I just looked. The dates are still not up. I'll have to giver her a call. Thanks for the heads up! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 11 21:06:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC26SlO007730 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:06:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBC261aG019327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC24saC033411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC24nJK097249; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:04:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC18dvQ046333 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so29607nzh.26 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=t+JLXO+H98EyiPhuFBRUAJcL1yRrGyjCPFxolcLInIo=; b=Qq/iYXIoema8Gwwg9UA3D7iEuWHpuG9RvL+v2oAnbPqCFY1t82AnFwIL6y7zUBErLnykLt5oEwuVsNbwYN6/DsjWOhR67RK2ZaMxO6+6pDIIpffTYO0BzI7XXx6iiyOsSloAFLhvOEGyOgmyl0CVYoAB2CFN2wynMsYH45UjmAw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GjoYIpSa/RE3OET/szoUHZGmXW9bskJz9mRToKZNNscRylOLj0DzZ+bpdu4raawX4wqwnVB7XCcLtCz7NHZD9iDvwl0/RSV1eMYk7cf1P2bG7itU8fIks38GRBqZcQW2/69BRq78BI8u3xoZuXHlKaPPzCvP6xf4xL83/Yyz+/Q= Received: by 10.142.107.1 with SMTP id f1mr12221wfc.26.1197421718987; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.1 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:38 +1100 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 6824c163-5a91-4fa9-b768-1e2119b06756 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475F4209.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi De, 2007/12/8, otsisto : > > Actually, the blue comes from the saying > wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. > Which was originally: > Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a > silver sixpence in her shoe. > English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. ... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter? A friend of us who will be MC at the reception. He has apparently been to 6 (German) weddings already this year. The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas Geliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German booklet with marriage tips. But it was quoted to me again by a friend of us who will be MC at our reception and has apparently been at 6 (German) weddings this year already. It just occurred to me the other day that it actually rhymes in English "something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue". The booklet said the color blue was to symbolise the hope for a son. I > think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for > wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" , but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated. Carol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter. I will ask them if they haven't heard of the tradition :-) B M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 11 21:13:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC2DddY007899 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:13:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBC2DDqj023174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:13:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC2CKUc033969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC2CJFK003757; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvx.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvx.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC2CFh1003669 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) id <01MOT2GB2EGWA7CAV1@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:12:12 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.200.219] (rcmt-cad45.law.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.200.219]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) with ESMTPA id <01MOT2GAUPKGA7C1LN@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:12:12 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:12:12 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) In-reply-to: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <475F437C.10000@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ba748de-28bd-4167-9386-b5eb40095e37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475F43B9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:13:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Barbara -_- M aren wrote: >>think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for >>wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. >> >> > > >Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses >which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" , >but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think >even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated. > > I went to a similar exhibition a few years ago. Out of thirty-odd dresses, there was only one white, and I don't remember any particular colour trend. I think there were quite a few strong/dark colours as well as some light ones, so I suspect that colour was a function of season, fashion, and personal taste. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 11 23:42:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC4g0wg012852 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:42:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBC4fYFw004783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC4eQRK050839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC4eN2l032132; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC4eJ9n032067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lBC4eFYh009060 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:40:19 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62058.72.13.239.193.1197434419.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:40:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40323bca-54c6-44be-b944-6455f787fb41 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475F667E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:41:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas > Geliehenes, etwas Blaues" Und ein lucky Deutschmark in her Schue? (Sorry, reaching back to high school German!) > Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal > dresses which weren't white, and many could probably just count as > "Sunday best", but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like > blue. At some point in the 18th century, white and silver became fashionable for wedding gowns. That was for those who could afford it! But still most women were married in their best dress. I think Queen Victoria renewed the fashion for white again, but still not everyone could afford a white dress just for their wedding. I'm not sure when a white dress became affordable for "all," but maybe 20th century? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 11 23:46:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC4knG1012994 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:46:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBC4kG8t009750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC4jwPS051126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBC4jvMd036103; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBC4jsI0035982 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34084 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2007 04:45:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=r03jf3ILqH1K5WwawZqMR3PPiptXCR3D5j9/TDmm2oUHFdCRd8L9XobOhOqIoSpvH3Gubx+qkEbPQFrk6E88Rp8GeAmz9Mgou4LE8u+do+t8aPaGeqidtyci8ymgOnbb4w8zOpf9EWUQ3xOJjHqQb+jwhte0qGPVJAuiqs19QQQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 8wB6FtoVM1nUuJ_PHotFhn47QFPlEs3bWqzO9wHbrTz3BtCuTEwQ9P5DJHEh4X.Ss5WYK2bZA0M3Kq5THqEMR1xSsg3aNFXp.cYWy6Nf0iKmZEBfzwKjMXDvbLJ49A-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:45:48 PST Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:45:48 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) blue garter seller To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <968031.24994.qm@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86454e34-8d3e-49d5-b480-2d9ce0065dd3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475F6798.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:46:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I remember seeing a totally blue garter at the chain store "Party City" ,they have a bridal section with decorations,favors,memory books bride's and groom's garters, also had the "sixpence" for your shoe. Melody Barbara -_- M aren wrote: Hi De, 2007/12/8, otsisto : > > Actually, the blue comes from the saying > wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. > Which was originally: > Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a > silver sixpence in her shoe. > English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. ... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter? A friend of us who will be MC at the reception. He has apparently been to 6 (German) weddings already this year. The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas Geliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German booklet with marriage tips. But it was quoted to me again by a friend of us who will be MC at our reception and has apparently been at 6 (German) weddings this year already. It just occurred to me the other day that it actually rhymes in English "something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue". The booklet said the color blue was to symbolise the hope for a son. I > think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for > wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" , but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated. Carol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter. I will ask them if they haven't heard of the tradition :-) B M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 07:06:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCC6hZv015499 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:06:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCC5x5a027543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:06:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCC4mHi090545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCC4i21069288; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCC4dWj069183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-220-105.tpgi.com.au [220.244.220.105]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lBCC4Tgf012471 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:04:34 +1100 Message-ID: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:04:25 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5079/Tue Dec 11 06:30:58 2007 on mail8.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b3fd370-e79f-4873-80a6-b65f59bcc071 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 475FCEA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:06:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric (an embroidered organza) to start thinking about Regency, my biggest problem has been underwear but as Past Patterns has a 20% off sale I thought that I might use Past pattern #001 http://www.pastpatterns.com/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper than the only other commercial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length corset, Mantua maker) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked 1820s-40s the pictures didn't seem too far off the Regency style corset, has anybody used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an idea of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try making adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 07:55:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCCt60A017104 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:55:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCCsbmp027204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCCs4LQ096190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCCs3jq013542; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:54:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCCs1ug013447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.126.234] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2R63-0006Lr-7p for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:53:55 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071212125210.035406e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:53:51 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Masque Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e43a6d6-2f22-42e0-8f2c-35e78257b006 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 475FDA0D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:54:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from about 1580-1620? I already found a good page here http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz which gives me a great start, but any other images would be a great help. Thanks. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 09:45:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCEjcT2021332 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:45:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCEj1cA019264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:45:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCEhxRW008947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCEhttb024153; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBCEhpb7023973 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 36662 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2007 14:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.155.250 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2007 14:43:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0E.HwmcVM1mc2xD28vs07OCVXZmjpxjtgpHkfIRprGFozzhOf2kvncZ0.f_JNK0YU6ej17Cv9rjNX6LljOsxsKoJIpc- Message-ID: <005001c83ccd$6957c0a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com> <475F437C.10000@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:43:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c13ad15e-3f50-4989-80a1-b677498ac7b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475FF3ED.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:45:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the period of the '80s and 90s, a very popular color for wedding gowns was coffee-au-lait. Not brown exactly, but stronger than cream. I have seen two Worth gowns of this period, with provenance of being wedding gowns. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adele de Maisieres" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) > Barbara -_- M aren wrote: > >>>think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for >>>wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. >>> >> >> >>Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal >>dresses >>which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" , >>but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I >>think >>even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated. >> > > > I went to a similar exhibition a few years ago. Out of thirty-odd > dresses, there was only one white, and I don't remember any particular > colour trend. I think there were quite a few strong/dark colours as well > as some light ones, so I suspect that colour was a function of season, > fashion, and personal taste. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Habeo metrum - musicamque, > hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? > -Georgeus Gershwinus > ----------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 12:55:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCHt3jh028497 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:55:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCHsaXI009285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:54:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCHrWY6040082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCHrF72086907; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCHqXSP085820 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:52:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UUT/wxxb0CaDxqg0Zt8wb/WzN4E+qYtopcLTrzrjOspw+zBMusguiKSg/hIhGH1o; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.125.76] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J2Vkw-00041N-TP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00fd01c83ce7$cb760340$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> <7.0.1.0.2.20071212125210.035406e8@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Masque Costume Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:52:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4895819b4881d7adf443c08281dd403116676ae045857c2f36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.125.76 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: a0035439-0cbb-44a7-b37e-63999d8342aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4760205C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:54:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Does anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from about > 1580-1620? I already found a good page here http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz > which gives me a great start, but any other images would be a great help. > > Thanks. > > Suzi This page has most of the on-line images that I found. I built a 1620's style masque costume for a client a couple of years ago, and most of what I found was in off-line sources. The originals of the Inigo Jones designs are in the Devonshire collections at Chatsworth; one of the universities local to me has an 18th cen. copy that we used intensively. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 14:35:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCJZM10032263 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:35:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCJYsvi025092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:34:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCJXpRc058817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCJXkuH030230; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from modus1.nventure.com (modus1.nventure.com [208.186.47.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCJXfCA029975 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [71.35.150.181]) by modus1.nventure.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.54) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:32:02 -0800 X-Modus-BlackList: peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com=OK X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <4760377D.4070800@krazykatfiberhaus.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:33:17 -0800 From: Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200712121900.lBCJ0cgW080874@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121900.lBCJ0cgW080874@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfcb5dbc-4b67-4bc5-a511-d92c7311f241 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476037DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:34:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The blue garter tradition, I believe, is a modern way of dealing with the something blue. If you buy a new blue garter then all you need is something old, something borrowed and sixpence (or penny) for your shoe. I remember my aunt used an antique sapphire necklace that she borrowed from my grandmother. I can't remember what I used for mine, but I had a non-traditional wedding. I wore tie-dyed velour in reds and oranges and had bridesmen in red Nehru Jackets;-). As for white wedding dresses that is definitely a late-Victorian tradition. Remember, the French used white as a color of mourning for many centuries. I think it is only in the 20th century that they started using black. It would be interesting to see if the "white wedding" was an American pretension that transferred back across the pond. I seem to remember seeing mostly American Heiresses trying to emulate Queen Victoria in their wedding dresses. A lot of American cultural traditions got started in the 19th century with the daughters of the Industrialists and robber barons trying to create the image of "Royalty". Got to love us Yanks, we love and are fascinated with royalty, but don't really want any of our own. At least, none that have an official title :-) (movie stars don't count). -- *Peggy Viney* *Krazy Kat Fiberhaus* 602 E 25^th Street, Suite 81 Tacoma, WA 98421 253-627-8559 www.krazykatfiberhaus.com Purveyors of fine needlework and lacemaking supplies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 15:43:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCKhM3n002369 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:43:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCKgppl020935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:42:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCKdaRC070613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCKXUQ1014801; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp6.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCKWvQV014079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:33:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id lBCKPbNY002687 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:32:41 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:26:08 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200712121900.lBCJ0cgV080874@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:27:18 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/12/2007 12:27:49 PM, Serialize complete at 12/12/2007 12:27:49 PM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2007-12-12 - 12:32:41 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 200bb6b4-4314-4267-97a0-d5df272e1efa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 476047CB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Hi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric (an embroidered organza) to start > thinking about Regency, my biggest problem has been underwear but as Past > Patterns has a 20% off sale I thought that I might use Past pattern #001 > http://www.pastpatterns.com/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper than the > only other commercial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length > corset, Mantua maker) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked > 1820s-40s the pictures didn't seem too far off the Regency style corset, has > anybody used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an idea > of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try > making adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing. That was the pattern I started from for my Regency corset, because it does seem very similar to the c1810 corsets to me too :-) Just as a warning, a friend of mine and I _struggled_ to do the fitting for the corset, 'cause we'd chosen to do the one with no side seam (only bust and hip gores) which eventually worked but was the most difficult fitting project that either of us had ever done. Now that the construction is all done, it's a wonderful corset! Fun to wear :-) -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 16:00:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCL0DaT002995 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:00:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCKxidS007425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:59:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCKwjbN073779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:58:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCKwdDA051363; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBCKwYgj051067 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 16074 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2007 20:58:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=t//xuyWi1M4fJOmAAVwhVm7aV9xJuHli84/UtyYbNLHjevty24utcA6oA3gjHx+RmKzCh5HZKOogRBDdLR4vDXvV+t8xwzT24QrSQyTD0id5bWAQ17CWoE3N17h3DBMFIHa+7MnQCNwhTqTkK/VkcqX+qmprrvq90IiaDVIYtnU=; X-YMail-OSG: teRgUw4VM1lsT20qOOeSkH8cODKWb2U9mTxpy.QKRnAjsMR60x5lWe467RFwaSZjpg-- Received: from [99.247.163.140] by web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:58:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <724195.16056.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ee0f7f5-2ab0-40a8-ba87-5a5260c62014 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47604BC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:59:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have largely been bypassing this thread for a while, but a thought came t= o mind whilst jumping into random discussions. I finally found a little ins= piration! I made a pretty garland for my front door and a lovely gold and t= iger's eye necklace to wear at my daughter's Christmas concert. I am so ple= ased with myself. =0A=0AI don't know when the date of this wedding under di= scussion is, but I used to make ribbon embroidered, French heirloom sewn ga= rters for brides. It was often one of my gifts to them. I may still have my= collection of antique hankies, too.I still have all of my silk ribbons and= embroidery silks in loads of shades of blue, and vintage laces kicking aro= und. If the bride in question thinks I have enough time to make one and the= n have it arrive to her in time, I could be convinced of the idea. :-) It'= s a small enough project that I won't feel overwhelmed. I'm taking little s= teps at a time. =0A=0AIt's a thought.=0A=0AKathy=0A =0AIt=92s never too lat= e to be who you might have been.-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Q= uestioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish proverb=0AOne can never co= nsent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Keller=0APeople don= =92t mind being used; what they mind is being discarded.-Chris Matthews=0AP= ride makes us do things well, but it is love, that makes us do them to perf= ection.-H. Jackson Brown=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "h-costum= e-request@indra.com" =0ATo: h-costume@mail.ind= ra.com=0ASent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:00:38 PM=0ASubject: h-costume= Digest, Vol 6, Issue 567=0A=0ASend h-costume mailing list submissions to= =0A h-costume@mail.indra.com=0A=0ATo subscribe or unsubscribe via the Wo= rld Wide Web, visit=0A http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= =0Aor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=0A h-cos= tume-request@mail.indra.com=0A=0AYou can reach the person managing the list= at=0A h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com=0A=0AWhen replying, please edit yo= ur Subject line so it is more specific=0Athan "Re: Contents of h-costume di= gest..."=0A=0A=0AToday's Topics:=0A=0A 1. Re: Wedding traditions (was Tan= go in a Hoop ) (Barbara -_- M=0A aren)=0A 2. Re: Re: Wedding traditions (= was Tango in a Hoop )=0A (Adele de Maisieres)=0A 3. Re: Re: Wedding = traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0A (aquazoo@patriot.net)=0A 4. Re:= Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) blue garter=0A selle= r (Melody Watts)=0A 5. opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency (Elizab= eth Walpole)=0A 6. Masque Costume (Suzi Clarke)=0A 7. Re: Re: Wedding t= raditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) (LLOYD=0A MITCHELL)=0A 8. Re: Masque Cos= tume (Carmen Beaudry)=0A=0A=0A---------------------------------------------= -------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 1=0ADate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:38= +1100=0AFrom: "Barbara -_- M aren" =0ASubject: [h-cost]= Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0ATo: "Historical Costume" <= h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID:=0A <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa= 7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1= =0A=0AHi De,=0A=0A2007/12/8, otsisto :=0A>=0A> Actually= , the blue comes from the saying=0A> wear something old, something new, som= ething borrowed, something=0A blue.=0A> Which was originally:=0A> Something= old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and=0A a=0A> silver= sixpence in her shoe.=0A> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.= =0A=0A... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter?=0A=0A=0AA friend of= us who will be MC at the reception. He has apparently been=0A to 6=0A(Ger= man) weddings already this year.=0A=0AThe color blue is alleged to be a sym= bol of love, modesty and fidelity.=0A=0A=0AI read about the tradition to we= ar "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas=0AGeliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German= booklet with marriage tips. But=0A it was=0Aquoted to me again by a friend= of us who will be MC at our reception=0A and has=0Aapparently been at 6 (G= erman) weddings this year already. It just=0A occurred=0Ato me the other da= y that it actually rhymes in English "something old,=0Asomething new, somet= hing borrowed, something blue". The booklet said=0A the=0Acolor blue was to= symbolise the hope for a son.=0A=0AI=0A> think that prior to the Edwardian= era, that blue was a popular color=0A for=0A> wedding dresses but I can't = remember where I read that.=0A=0A=0AHm, at the costume museum in Bath, I re= member seeing pre-1900 bridal=0A dresses=0Awhich weren't white, and many co= uld probably just count as "Sunday=0A best" ,=0Abut couldn't spot a trend t= o a particular color like blue. In fact, I=0A think=0Aeven then light, past= el or cream colors dominated.=0A=0A=0ACarol, I will try a bridal shop for a= blue garter. I will ask them if=0A they=0Ahaven't heard of the tradition := -)=0A=0AB M=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 2=0ADate: = Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:12:12 +1300=0AFrom: Adele de Maisieres =0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a = Hoop )=0ATo: Historical Costume =0AMessage-ID: <475F43= 7C.10000@paradise.net.nz>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;= format=3Dflowed=0A=0ABarbara -_- M aren wrote:=0A=0A>>think that prior to = the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color=0A for=0A>>wedding dresses= but I can't remember where I read that.=0A>> =0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hm, at th= e costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal=0A dresses=0A>w= hich weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday=0A best" = ,=0A>but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I= =0A think=0A>even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated.=0A> =0A>= =0A=0A=0AI went to a similar exhibition a few years ago. Out of thirty-odd= =0Adresses, there was only one white, and I don't remember any particular = =0Acolour trend. I think there were quite a few strong/dark colours as =0A= well as some light ones, so I suspect that colour was a function of =0Aseas= on, fashion, and personal taste.=0A=0A-- =0AAdele de Maisieres=0A=0A-------= ----------------------=0AHabeo metrum - musicamque,=0Ahominem meam. Expecta= t alium quid?=0A-Georgeus Gershwinus=0A----------------------------- =0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 3=0ADate: Tue, 11 Dec= 2007 23:40:19 -0500 (EST)=0AFrom: aquazoo@patriot.net=0ASubject: Re: [h-co= st] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0ATo: "Historical Costume= " =0AMessage-ID:=0A <62058.72.13.239.193.1197434419= .squirrel@webmail.patriot.net>=0AContent-Type: text/plain;charset=3Diso-885= 9-1=0A=0A=0A> I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues,= etwas=0A> Geliehenes, etwas Blaues"=0A=0A Und ein lucky Deutschmark in= her Schue? (Sorry, reaching back to=0Ahigh school German!)=0A=0A> Hm, at = the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal=0A> dresses w= hich weren't white, and many could probably just count as=0A> "Sunday best"= , but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like=0A> blue.=0A=0A = At some point in the 18th century, white and silver became=0Afashionable fo= r wedding gowns. That was for those who could afford=0Ait! But still most= women were married in their best dress. I think=0AQueen Victoria renewed = the fashion for white again, but still not=0Aeveryone could afford a white = dress just for their wedding. I'm not=0Asure when a white dress became aff= ordable for "all," but maybe 20th=0Acentury?=0A=0A -Carol=0A=0A=0A=0A--= ----------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 4=0ADate: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:45= :48 -0800 (PST)=0AFrom: Melody Watts =0ASubjec= t: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0A blue = garter seller=0ATo: Historical Costume =0AMessage-ID:= <968031.24994.qm@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; = charset=3Diso-8859-1=0A=0AHi, =0A I remember seeing a totally blue garter = at the chain store "Party=0A City" ,they have a bridal section with decorat= ions,favors,memory books=0A bride's and groom's garters, also had the "sixp= ence" for your shoe.=0A Melody=0A=0ABarbara -_- M aren wrote:=0A Hi De,=0A=0A2007/12/8, otsisto :=0A>=0A> Actually, the blue c= omes from the saying=0A> wear something old, something new, something borro= wed, something=0A blue.=0A> Which was originally:=0A> Something old, someth= ing new, something borrowed, something blue and=0A a=0A> silver sixpence in= her shoe.=0A> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.=0A=0A... Wh= ose telling you have to have a blue garter?=0A=0A=0AA friend of us who will= be MC at the reception. He has apparently been=0A to 6=0A(German) weddings= already this year.=0A=0AThe color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, = modesty and fidelity.=0A=0A=0AI read about the tradition to wear "etwas Alt= es, etwas Neues, etwas=0AGeliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German booklet with= marriage tips. But=0A it was=0Aquoted to me again by a friend of us who wi= ll be MC at our reception=0A and has=0Aapparently been at 6 (German) weddin= gs this year already. It just=0A occurred=0Ato me the other day that it act= ually rhymes in English "something old,=0Asomething new, something borrowed= , something blue". The booklet said=0A the=0Acolor blue was to symbolise th= e hope for a son.=0A=0AI=0A> think that prior to the Edwardian era, that bl= ue was a popular color=0A for=0A> wedding dresses but I can't remember wher= e I read that.=0A=0A=0AHm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing= pre-1900 bridal=0A dresses=0Awhich weren't white, and many could probably = just count as "Sunday=0A best" ,=0Abut couldn't spot a trend to a particula= r color like blue. In fact, I=0A think=0Aeven then light, pastel or cream c= olors dominated.=0A=0A=0ACarol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter.= I will ask them if=0A they=0Ahaven't heard of the tradition :-)=0A=0AB M= =0A_______________________________________________=0Ah-costume mailing list= =0Ah-costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-cost= ume=0A=0A=0A =0A---------------------------------=0ABe a better frien= d, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try=0A it now.=0A=0A----= --------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 5=0ADate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:04:2= 5 +1100=0AFrom: "Elizabeth Walpole" =0ASubject: [h-cos= t] opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency=0ATo: "Historic Costume" =0AMessage-ID: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d= 135>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";= =0A reply-type=3Doriginal=0A=0AHi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric= (an embroidered organza) to=0A start =0Athinking about Regency, my biggest= problem has been underwear but as=0A Past =0APatterns has a 20% off sale I= thought that I might use Past pattern=0A #001 =0Ahttp://www.pastpatterns.c= om/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper=0A than the =0Aonly other commer= cial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length =0Acorset, Mantua make= r) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked=0A =0A1820s-40s the pi= ctures didn't seem too far off the Regency style=0A corset, has =0Aanybody = used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an=0A idea =0A= of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try =0Am= aking adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing.=0Athanks=0AElizabeth= =0A--------------------------------------------=0AElizabeth Walpole=0ACanbe= rra Australia=0Aewalpole[at]tpg.com.au=0Ahttp://au.geocities.com/amiperiodo= rnot/=0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 6=0ADate: Wed= , 12 Dec 2007 12:53:51 +0000=0AFrom: Suzi Clarke =0A= Subject: [h-cost] Masque Costume=0ATo: Historical Costume =0AMessage-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071212125210.035406e8@suziclarke.co.uk>=0AC= ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed=0A=0A=0ADoes= anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from =0Aabout 158= 0-1620? I already found a good page here =0Ahttp://tinyurl.com/25y7cz which= gives me a great start, but any other =0Aimages would be a great help.=0A= =0AThanks.=0A=0ASuzi=0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage= : 7=0ADate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:43:50 -0500=0AFrom: "LLOYD MITCHELL" =0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tang= o in a Hoop )=0ATo: "Historical Costume" =0AMessage-ID= : <005001c83ccd$6957c0a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; = format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";=0A reply-type=3Dresponse=0A=0AI= n the period of the '80s and 90s, a very popular color for wedding=0A gowns= =0Awas coffee-au-lait. Not brown exactly, but stronger than cream. I have= =0A seen =0Atwo Worth gowns of this period, with provenance of being weddin= g gowns.=0A=0Akathleen=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Adele de Ma= isieres" =0ATo: "Historical Costume" =0ASent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: [h-cos= t] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0A=0A=0A> Barbara -_- M ar= en wrote:=0A>=0A>>>think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a p= opular color=0A for=0A>>>wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read = that.=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember see= ing pre-1900 bridal =0A>>dresses=0A>>which weren't white, and many could pr= obably just count as "Sunday=0A best" ,=0A>>but couldn't spot a trend to a = particular color like blue. In fact, I=0A =0A>>think=0A>>even then light, p= astel or cream colors dominated.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A> I went to a similar exhib= ition a few years ago. Out of thirty-odd =0A> dresses, there was only one = white, and I don't remember any=0A particular =0A> colour trend. I think t= here were quite a few strong/dark colours as=0A well =0A> as some light one= s, so I suspect that colour was a function of=0A season, =0A> fashion, and = personal taste.=0A>=0A> -- =0A> Adele de Maisieres=0A>=0A> ----------------= -------------=0A> Habeo metrum - musicamque,=0A> hominem meam. Expectat ali= um quid?=0A> -Georgeus Gershwinus=0A> ----------------------------- =0A>=0A= >=0A> _______________________________________________=0A> h-costume mailing= list=0A> h-costume@mail.indra.com=0A> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listin= fo/h-costume =0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 8=0AD= ate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:52:37 -0800=0AFrom: "Carmen Beaudry" =0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Masque Costume=0ATo: "Historical Cos= tume" =0AMessage-ID: <00fd01c83ce7$cb760340$0300a8c0@b= oris>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";= =0A reply-type=3Dresponse=0A=0A> Does anyone have an online source of im= ages of masque costume from=0A about =0A> 1580-1620? I already found a good= page here http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz=0A =0A> which gives me a great start, = but any other images would be a great=0A help.=0A>=0A> Thanks.=0A>=0A> Suzi= =0A=0AThis page has most of the on-line images that I found. I built a=0A = 1620's =0Astyle masque costume for a client a couple of years ago, and most= of=0A what I =0Afound was in off-line sources. The originals of the Inig= o Jones=0A designs =0Aare in the Devonshire collections at Chatsworth; one = of the=0A universities =0Alocal to me has an 18th cen. copy that we used in= tensively.=0A=0AMelusine =0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0A__= _____________________________________________=0Ah-costume mailing list=0Ah-= costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= =0A=0A=0AEnd of h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 567=0A**********************= *******************=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Looking for the perfect gift?= Give the gift of Flickr! =0A=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/gift/=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 16:57:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCLvub0005417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:57:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCLvS3Q030138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:57:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCLu08w082875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:56:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCLttCH029602; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCLtp5B029392 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:55:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c76.1dcdf1ec (30737) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:55:44 -0500 (EST) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:55:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b2109e6-45b5-4f0e-a8c6-9023ba87d2fb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47605948.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:57:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've just recently joined this list and have enjoyed the discussions so far. And I've also enjoyed seeing posts from several old and new friends! My experience with the "blue garter" is this: Having attended weddings where the groom tried to throw the garter just to have it "float", I decided to weight mine. I made it with a length of light-socket pull-cord chain between the layers of blue ribbon. You just have to make sure you don't kneel on it! (Robin: Ask Dana about it. I think he was the one who caught it!) Cathy Raitt (aka Catherine de Bellefleur in the SCA) **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 17:16:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCMGhIC005917 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:16:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCMGBkb031499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:16:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCMFJ6p085029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCMFFM1054495; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.48.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCMFAIU054313 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A24438210 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:15:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:17:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a66cbcd9-aea5-4025-adf7-e9d7b6b9892f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47605DAB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My Aunt made a blue garter with a tiny pouch for a new penny (year of marrage). Thus covering the blue, new and "sixpence". If my cousin passes it on, you have added the something old. The weight of the penny solved the floating problem. :) De -----Original Message----- I've just recently joined this list and have enjoyed the discussions so far. And I've also enjoyed seeing posts from several old and new friends! My experience with the "blue garter" is this: Having attended weddings where the groom tried to throw the garter just to have it "float", I decided to weight mine. I made it with a length of light-socket pull-cord chain between the layers of blue ribbon. You just have to make sure you don't kneel on it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 17:24:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCMOx92006155 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:24:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBCMOVmn026101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCMNjFA086259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCMNfXO065553; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [74.86.45.16] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBCMNaEG065313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.126.234] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2Ynm-0001HI-GG for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:07:34 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071212210541.03543f98@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:07:30 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Masque Costume In-Reply-To: <00fd01c83ce7$cb760340$0300a8c0@boris> References: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> <7.0.1.0.2.20071212125210.035406e8@suziclarke.co.uk> <00fd01c83ce7$cb760340$0300a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f24913f-fa90-4de9-9e75-38bd5eefe648 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47605F9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:24:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:52 12/12/2007, you wrote: >>Does anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from >>about 1580-1620? I already found a good page here >>http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz which gives me a great start, but any >>other images would be a great help. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Suzi > >This page has most of the on-line images that I found. I built a >1620's style masque costume for a client a couple of years ago, and >most of what I found was in off-line sources. The originals of the >Inigo Jones designs are in the Devonshire collections at Chatsworth; >one of the universities local to me has an 18th cen. copy that we >used intensively. I'd forgotten about the Chatsworth collection, but really don't have the time, or the research money to check that out, which is why I needed on-line resources. Thanks anyway. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 12 19:29:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBD0TltN009009 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:29:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBD0TIjx028736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBD0SjVM006072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBD0SeXf017278; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:28:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBD0SZCH017125 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52904 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2007 00:28:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PSjfSqqh2eGz7pOHm8GBbJjnh97U7cWk0MbRRbuEBLNj2um9uXVMOBsCCbT26nnZJrCsR/eyP+N94iVY/KdCeI16HTneXq3VK/SflTORflRBJD2alBwn67o0xeqKXzFeh2UOEj1Atk/sC2V74LqBCCTwHgP/j/Lyuf5Vl2AsYvE=; X-YMail-OSG: UrVg9GMVM1mDWpg5.PJURVX18Zz_VnAsMxlCiNerHQdMxs6Qd8iShjHMBhpaRqKh_z4oiSrGpREkHdEDU3Mk4JaQr1Ak7URSkz3UTpBP4aF0CqIF9CE- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:28:30 PST Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4759ED88.1090109@krazykatfiberhaus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 583adcdb-914c-4992-a417-155037893516 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47607CDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:29:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The only thing I could suggest is to get a smaller dress form, something close to what you "ideally" want to drop your size to, and then add padding to it to make it fit your current size. I've tried duct tape doubles, brown paper tape versions, and the biggest issue I have is that my body shape is in constant flux. I even bought a store brand dritz or something that is now too big as I have lost some weight. And the body shape was never right anyways, as my torso is long, and my lower half's largeness is in a different area than where it is on the dress form. My plan for now is to get a Uniquely You dress form at my hoped for future size (or smaller), a different sized cover to fit the current me, and pad it up to fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too... with a little added padding in the breast area, as I understand that squishes in, not up. hth, Kimiko --- Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus wrote: So, what I want to know is: What > dress form would you > recommend for a for a gal like me? > > Thanks, > -- > > *Peggy Viney * ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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Thanks Kitty Macey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 07:48:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDCml5N020987 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:48:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDCmIDX018314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDCl5qk074518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDCl3GW020153; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDCl2DI020131 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so177428ana.65 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:47:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aVdzJ3sfNnSxDtIJr9epT2WVTlsKsTr1ecYZOCpJlEw=; b=TPdrqBNSMH1JBG6Uor8xYGhAQlZUCydBokFqVDtmNJdEpbgRxg3AC40k10gXnKKmQZmZyP+kTsJI3w+HTyU5rNFYcrkR93K1VWIOyQ5ZckA8NFdE+4MJhg5aPWpk8TMpIM64Utm+DBQH8RNwiquhwE8BiuVe9U5i65m2+0sGVN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F537RZom+hILdbuJrIaPeo2TguF8yg9WkGMm7FTq/ZCDdqV+NGBH8Gu/aJsJagXwSs2p54OlMWPfhfalh4gKfbcCF8LUWsTIXvyKQkeJjzZ0lwlzS3mLnKf1EFFnDkksNFtrR/K+Y+3g8cX4gDv/YpqBFCaUCa/ZCFV/iwzN9GI= Received: by 10.100.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr4090062ang.20.1197550021367; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.25.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:47:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070712130447y6f88f5d0w93ab31cb970f53bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:47:01 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database In-Reply-To: <20071213105747.ZLHU5979.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071213105747.ZLHU5979.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0af7013-5773-48e2-b76f-09455ed6f131 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47612A12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Katy On Dec 13, 2007 5:57 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link. > It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and onwards, year by year. > Go to this page: > http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html > click on recherche simple. > Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection macinet, then click recherche. > Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click under where it says voir les notices > Then the title of the book appears to the right, click the link in the bottom. > Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge resolution images wich pops up in new windows. > They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man? > I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said here, it should work for you! > There is enough for days i tell you........................ > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 07:59:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDCx4EA021384 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:59:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDCwcBM031924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:58:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDCwMPP075719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDCwKGs030033; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDCwHGo029877 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:58:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ca3.2079997d (39954) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:58:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costumes in Muppets Christmas Carol To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f26cda5e-c495-49b9-8816-d75413f11d8a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47612C7E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:58:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What class are you teaching? Theater costume, history of costume? Seems to me, you can rate how "good" the costumes are by comparing to known English dress of the period, and thus determine how good your student's analysis is. However, as has happened with many things, I think the whole "Dickens" thing, and especially "A Christmas Carol," has become stylized and there are probably elements that have come to be expected, whether they were originally authentic or not. I imagine the 1938 film has heavily influenced all subsequent productions, except, of course, for those deliberately set in other time periods. And also, of course, there is the extra wrinkle of designing costumes for puppets! Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 09:24:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDEOvqa025420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:24:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDEOHTW021912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDENCbN086351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDEN6LS014343; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp6.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDEN2dI014093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id lBDCVaYa024434 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:22:57 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:22:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200712131131.lBDBVBub040328@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:59 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/13/2007 06:24:33 AM, Serialize complete at 12/13/2007 06:24:33 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2007-12-13 - 06:22:57 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac5f0ceb-8ac7-4701-a953-4befad360dab X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47614091.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:24:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > My plan for now is to get a Uniquely You dress form at > my hoped for future size (or smaller), a different > sized cover to fit the current me, and pad it up to > fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that > it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too... > with a little added padding in the breast area, as I > understand that squishes in, not up. I have not found the Uniquely You dress forms to be squishable enough to put a corset on it - the cover really compacts the foam down (at least mine does...) to the point that there is no "squish" left for the corset to manipulate. My current plan is to get a second cover and shape it to me while I'm wearing a corset, and hopefully that will result in a corseted form for draping/fitting on. Best of luck! -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 11:26:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGQZaf030735 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDGQ3hm002628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDGO0a4005240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGNuUl062819; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGNrJR062675 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so203874ana.65 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:23:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=BqISULxOrSl5HW3kJtzAIVuKxTatLv9y9MBFu1yUKys=; b=YNMaQ55tUnbSbGLL+3Gh3BQoBTTwV05Vlz1k10TgXCsyuZ1kvRC3qyTxAZGhVuvIarWBGqJGSjMPZOiqlKZ/PPvu6X+HeTMPgN+CKpEfHvtaVM9FU1ylREXanuy1IfYqxcco4ru+FlJsOGsrVzudLtCZiNIWKfHUC+w1XVPzfwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=sZB4MCQ1jpIdY4l9H/pNfyFD8sDtOdqBoR9B8Qj4zqddsVbut1xvvjTBx6fHwVqN/y2OmRZHHNEqNqJqV7KXOZgT7PE/OpQBrV7wpuz3V+zkbN/6/hGuB1l2Wzs4hAasxbMRsQporwMZg+0TZn+kkMs17vmzA3jYRae45c2yDHs= Received: by 10.100.94.14 with SMTP id r14mr4450980anb.101.1197563027382; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm6450180nzn.2007.12.13.08.23.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <034a01c83da4$c2c57330$5200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:25:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b18002b9-b4c2-4ddc-80d9-2fa34acec953 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47615D1C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hee, this post I made to another list a few months back is still pretty much word-for-word applicable: ------------------ I have a Uniquely You dress form, and overall I'm happy with it. But... I had to do a lot of work on it to get it to that point. Though I ordered the size that I should have according to their info, it was way too large; I really wish I'd ordered the next small size. Far more frustrating, though, was the fact that the bust was several inches too low. In order to fix this, I peeled the two halves apart, hollowed out the upper chest, then glued them back together with the upper chest compacted so that the bust was raised. Also, I kicked the thing several times, which helped. Then of course the bottom front was about 4 inches shorter than the bottom back, so I had to do yet more carving. Then I took a long look at the included cover, sneered, duct taped myself, made a pattern from the duct tape, and sewed my own cover. Since the form was still too big, I wound up having to lace the cover shut, as zippers were too paltry a closure. It's quite a good match, now, except that the lacing is a bit bulkier than I'd like, and the waist is an inch too high. Also, it's no longer particularly corsetable, since I had to compress it so much to get it into a cover that fit me; it's already nearly as squished as it'll get. (By the same token, I can't use it to mark the hem on self-supporting gowns, as the front line would be off.) It's still useful for a lot of clothing, though, and I'm reasonably happy with it, but I would not do it again for at least another 5 years or so, and if I ever do, I'll do many things differently. For starters, I'd get one a size or two smaller--far easier to pad it up than vice versa. Which explains why what I'd get if I were in the market and had ~$400+ to blow is one of these: http://www.fabulousfit.com/ which comes with a system of pads that adjust it to your size. Though they use a knit cover for it, you could just as easily make a custom-fitted cover of the same type you'd use on the Uniquely You. Make the cover easy to remove/switch out, and you can adjust the form to various shapes: corseted, self-supported, modern, etc, and maybe even male. Oooo, and though I'm way to cheap to ever spring for one, I'd love to have one of the ones with bendable arms... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 11:31:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGV1OT030857 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:31:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDGUTx1002639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:30:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDGTTb2005952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGTQB3070088; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBDGTLrl069872 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40201 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2007 16:29:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=0QtdzkCJo2xaReKwAPfNos8tHbWm+EGxrfBlU6FybtEPZUzogvD2zwj3YQoCGhgeGLgTFQkHpLtMMz8Bk1HkkCMhngne3T9pIk5R1Td2mu18mcT6lGaNXmWbyxdsdc7RS/ru6SQzXXVy63Fanvi3dMCsCkv+EDbWYDDr4orSvWc=; X-YMail-OSG: L7SrcIwVM1lT_1ORmTUHf5J3a7UJ1adoR0T__qycWorsNoNgbbI59r84HkgcEuJybzB1Dybbx3fMm1BU20ZDfFqlaMwUbnm2RQBe7gC_esRs1.9gKfY- Received: from [70.103.216.134] by web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:29:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: Shirley Hobbs Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a628d92f-dbd3-4b78-b697-165c2dac3820 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47615E25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:30:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have the Uniquely You form also and my plan is to saw off the perky bosom and add one of my bras stuffed to match me. I think that will squish just fine under a corset. Cactus --- On Wed, 12/12/07, Kimiko Small wrote: > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 5:28 PM > The only thing I could suggest is to get a smaller > dress form, something close to what you "ideally" > want > to drop your size to, and then add padding to it to > make it fit your current size. > > I've tried duct tape doubles, brown paper tape > versions, and the biggest issue I have is that my body > shape is in constant flux. I even bought a store brand > dritz or something that is now too big as I have lost > some weight. And the body shape was never right > anyways, as my torso is long, and my lower half's > largeness is in a different area than where it is on > the dress form. > > My plan for now is to get a Uniquely You dress form at > my hoped for future size (or smaller), a different > sized cover to fit the current me, and pad it up to > fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that > it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too... > with a little added padding in the breast area, as I > understand that squishes in, not up. > > hth, > > Kimiko > > --- Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus > wrote: > > So, what I want to know is: What > > dress form would you > > recommend for a for a gal like me? > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > > > *Peggy Viney * > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 11:58:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGwBNG031705 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:58:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDGvVQa027483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:57:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDGut0P011470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:56:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGuo9L009967; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDGugdC009736 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1060055ugd.17 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:56:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BFoBkkBd4O/wG9X40YnrQWVZisSQSrWoOt6p6T3lMaM=; b=Tm+awyBdkNDQzw4uPwJBmfwEQnwPfH1ADdSfaV0wgB2RfjTshGhdaIGRdhCXumrxUAZwuC0WkkshCtvfR+OeeNp10320NA58jdJ7fl89Ue3mCEZlTwTINpwgIVR6vJffHJ54FnRnN+fc47KEooz78Y45f4gWB1JbzJlJLKiD+T8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BN4KPChShqQJwZuwqtBSH3IQY1SHgUh0RFSfjntddVi3A59BLu9RTWlGWuUQy/fdwOYUQ//U/r9norlHNw6rarlgXkz5ywp+m1Yetm8mGgA8Wu1o0C5a8djQbcuFOEqcT0UjF051SxmiZaz+a+JObv6podU4XELz66/TduZSijs= Received: by 10.78.200.20 with SMTP id x20mr2685016huf.43.1197564997687; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.137.14 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:56:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0712130856w5286263emd66ee24bc21f93ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:56:37 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? In-Reply-To: <200712072338.51983.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> <200712072338.51983.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 375b8d63-41f1-4470-9662-17774dbeffe3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4761647C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:57:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds a good costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done anything like Sally's calendars. LynnD On 12/7/07, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Friday 07 December 2007, A. Thurman wrote: > > AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her > > latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide. > > Dang. I was afraid it was something like that. Thanks for the > information. > > Anyone know of a calendar with costume-related photos or art that's being > sold > for 2008? > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a > fool > than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 12:15:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHFqZq032378 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDHFM2l030793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDHEjMD014546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHEgMP034338; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHEdrZ034151 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W21 ([65.55.133.56]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.169.251] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:33 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 17:14:34.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2181B90:01C83DAB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4482e22c-0c61-447f-8141-90b172b645db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476168AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A while back there was a thread centered on re-fashioning old clothes, whic= h I remember the elders doing when I was young, and I have dabbled in a bit= from time to time. =20 This time I have inadvertently wandered into serious re-making territory. = It is a long story involving lack of finances and my 15 year old daughter's= incredible pickiness in terms of fit and fashion, but the bottom line is t= hat I have agreed to use the only acceptable-to-her second hand coat (camel= wool) as a pattern and use another second hand wool coat (cranberry wool) = for the fabric. =20 We have taken apart both coats and I realized that the pockets that have be= en attached to the cranberry coat have been there for about 20-30 years, an= d have left deep impressions in the underlying wool. There is no way to di= sguise them and the use of the fabric demands that they will be just about = center front or center back. If I can't find a way to remove these impress= ions, it will be the fatal flaw in the plan. There is no color discrepancy= or wear marks so the flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this a= s the fabric. =20 One thing I've learned on this list is that there is a vast amount of exper= ience of ALL sorts among you. Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket de= pression"? =20 Thanks in advance, Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 12:22:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHML3R032584 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:22:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDHLlhd025964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDHLN6d015542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHLKim043339; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHLA61043092 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.11]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id E34C91A9A68 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-68-88.phnx.qwest.net (HELO acer2e68c49b20) (130.13.68.88) by mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 17:21:09 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:20:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20071213105747.ZLHU5979.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Thread-Index: Acg9d1xc4DaVDSwoRWeKV6NPy4qgXQANHtQA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071213172109.E34C91A9A68@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5533969-3187-4001-abba-c097ed27748f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47616A2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:21:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne, You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL! Either way, thank you so much for that link and the directions for navigating the web-site. The images are incredible! Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending the whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just might! Happy Holidays everyone! Laurie T. Phoenix, Arizona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link. It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and onwards, year by year. Go to this page: http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html click on recherche simple. Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection macinet, then click recherche. Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click under where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the right, click the link in the bottom. Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge resolution images wich pops up in new windows. They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man? I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said here, it should work for you! There is enough for days i tell you........................ Bjarne _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 12:26:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHQiKN032728 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:26:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDHQE2t006411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:26:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDHOnqN016065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHOgwr048512; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHOZhF048185 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:24:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:26:14 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B029BF592@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <20071213172109.E34C91A9A68@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database Thread-Index: Acg9d1xc4DaVDSwoRWeKV6NPy4qgXQANHtQAAABYDbA= References: <20071213105747.ZLHU5979.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20071213172109.E34C91A9A68@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 17:26:14.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[431B0560:01C83DAD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d8bb39a-a322-44e4-9402-3cc94549624d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47616B36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:26:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I vote for WONDERFUL! Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of costumeraz Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:20 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database Bjarne, You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL! Either way, thank you so much for that link and the directions for navigating the web-site. The images are incredible! Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending the whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just might! Happy Holidays everyone! Laurie T. Phoenix, Arizona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link. It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and onwards, year by year. Go to this page: http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation. html click on recherche simple. Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection macinet, then click recherche. Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click under where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the right, click the link in the bottom. Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge resolution images wich pops up in new windows. They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man? I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said here, it should work for you! There is enough for days i tell you........................ Bjarne _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 12:31:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHV2il000436 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:31:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDHUCTx000864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:30:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDHTrNa016685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:29:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHTpxt055498; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHTm3G055307 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:29:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lBDHTg504407 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:29:42 -0500 From: "Althea Turner" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:29:42 -0500 Message-Id: <20071213172942.M64376@alfalfapress.com> In-Reply-To: References: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.71 20021114 X-OriginatingIP: 208.14.148.30 (alfalfapress@alfalfapress.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a722628f-0021-4df2-8ee7-877ad3cb707e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47616C24.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:30:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can you get matching or contrasting soutache braid and cover it with a design? Althea On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:33 -0800, zelda crusher wrote > One thing I've learned on this list is that there is a vast amount > of experience of ALL sorts among you. Can anyone suggest a cure for > the "pocket depression"? > > Thanks in advance, > Laurie *** Directory of Diverse Knowledge http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 12:51:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHp8IU001124 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:51:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDHoepV018390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:50:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDHoA4x020225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHo5lx084026; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDHnwbN083706 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W38 ([65.55.133.73]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:49:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.169.251] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:49:52 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071213172942.M64376@alfalfapress.com> References: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071213172942.M64376@alfalfapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 17:49:52.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[90940FA0:01C83DB0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 924043fa-cf54-4915-92f2-92cf2275c288 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 476170F0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:50:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not really, the impressions on the cut piece will end up being approximatel= y an "L" shape between the bust line and the waist on both sides. I can't = think of any way to cover them up or disguise them that wouldn't look, well= , avant garde, at best. She's 15, avant garde is just plain weird to her,l= ol. And I am so not going through all this to have her not wear the thing! But I thank you for your response, Althea. =20 Laurie> From: althea@alfalfapress.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: RE= : [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?)> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:29:42 -0500> CC: > > = Can you get matching or contrasting soutache braid and cover it with a desi= gn?> Althea> > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:33 -0800, zelda crusher wrote> > O= ne thing I've learned on this list is that there is a vast amount > > of ex= perience of ALL sorts among you. Can anyone suggest a cure for > > the "poc= ket depression"?> > > > Thanks in advance,> > Laurie> ***> Directory of Div= erse Knowledge> http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca> > Althea Turner> althea@al= falfapress.com> > _______________________________________________> h-costum= e mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/lis= tinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_1220= 07= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 14:22:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJMMRW003737 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:22:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDJLtuo002787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:21:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDJFVEY034012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJFBUe099139; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xen1.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJEvwU098749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by xen1.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94338AF80E8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:14:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Chamberlain To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39a65924-1dc5-4c8f-8dfa-f325b65ea5d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47618653.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:21:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you tried water and/or steam? Warm water without agitation or temperature shock will not felt it. Let it soak so it's thoroughly wet. Or try A LOT of steam and some agitation of sorts, fold it, pull on it, bang it on a table, anything which might dislodge fibers from their compressed state. Beth On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, zelda crusher wrote: > > A while back there was a thread centered on re-fashioning old clothes, which I remember the elders doing when I was young, and I have dabbled in a bit from time to time. > > This time I have inadvertently wandered into serious re-making territory. It is a long story involving lack of finances and my 15 year old daughter's incredible pickiness in terms of fit and fashion, but the bottom line is that I have agreed to use the only acceptable-to-her second hand coat (camel wool) as a pattern and use another second hand wool coat (cranberry wool) for the fabric. > > We have taken apart both coats and I realized that the pockets that have been attached to the cranberry coat have been there for about 20-30 years, and have left deep impressions in the underlying wool. There is no way to disguise them and the use of the fabric demands that they will be just about center front or center back. If I can't find a way to remove these impressions, it will be the fatal flaw in the plan. There is no color discrepancy or wear marks so the flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this as the fabric. > > One thing I've learned on this list is that there is a vast amount of experience of ALL sorts among you. Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket depression"? > > Thanks in advance, > Laurie > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007_______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 14:28:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJSi9M003885 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:28:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDJSEkk019469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDJRqQm036086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJRo7l016731; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJRjC9016460 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:29:25 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:29:25 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B029BF615@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Thread-Index: Acg9vbHvhYaoMui0Rgij7JA1qxgr+wAAGlDQ References: <169104.52359.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20806.39279.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 19:29:25.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[78C50EC0:01C83DBE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1dfcbb1-7e75-4d14-b6c5-ad8bb0778921 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 476187CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:28:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Have you tried water and/or steam? Warm water without agitation or=20 temperature shock will not felt it. Let it soak so it's thoroughly wet. Or=20 try A LOT of steam and some agitation of sorts, fold it, pull on it, bang=20 it on a table, anything which might dislodge fibers from their compressed=20 state. Beth Would suction (e.g. vacuum cleaner) work in combination with this? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 14:31:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJVB44003948 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:31:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDJUiDh021928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDJU7Fl036409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:30:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJU4wR019918; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJTuG3019725 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071213192955.LSYT18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:55 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.85]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:55 +0100 Message-ID: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.85] at Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:54 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c83dbe$889fbe30$5543a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cfd4305-0653-4b1d-bf52-5d8d008e9aa2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47618864.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:30:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all = the work of the couturieres was shown. It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their = fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a = lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. What do you think they used? I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens = for myself two. What do you do? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 14:40:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJeOki004266 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:40:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDJduAF011148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:40:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDJdG9m037572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:39:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJdE0s033336; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJdABQ033227 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so673869rvf.11 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NCVBoMwxfqenm3UJU1LPnRt8urdsv338Mjkshy3ewY8=; b=CaikyuefTAimQNnVgPAvwdQRh0Yo/9uCsk7jeEPaTB2pOV53y/ItEykDd0HuDSxGnJcH6m1GchdA8D9GRjNSeyJbYd5WtKFrsuqj5MvrQ9vSFqnrF68GQRYumkU7wyhhl3jjtDMpK8VQ9/7Lm2Co5yAJXSpkd9dOuzfCY/vcrcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eJVJ7Lp3puaXuEZGT1rTXVvf7bdW2NcesCGxenuZ8PsrEy1N/fC9v1RSvPHn/ywsG8CxGr3Z7w+0RgrXqrGECyqhRPY/+jBOfZSs+zBL2cLpg7eOFbTCusXLkMxHX6RvC+J+7XFA7ROYcpcbxC/tUcnFPvM1oKWboCqZJKsOVmA= Received: by 10.141.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr1342373rvn.294.1197574750212; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.62.10 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590712131139p68dbda11mfcc905ff7a97ad50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:39:10 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains In-Reply-To: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09cd518e-9093-4fe4-9ae5-f1282bca6ef0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47618A8D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know about more expensive fabrics but I've used regular shampoo to remove blood from clothing. There was a lot of blood - I was at the scene of a car accident involving a small child that these men just pulled from the vehicle and set down at the side of the highway. She had a cut on her head, which bleed a lot. I held her, putting pressure on the cut until the emergency people arrived. I ended up being soaked through because of rain and blood. Still a handwashing with shampoo removed the blood from one of my favorite sweaters. I haven't had to test it on needlework or something I was sewing, so I don't know about smaller patches alex On Dec 13, 2007 1:29 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the work of the couturieres was shown. > It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. > What do you think they used? > I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two. > What do you do? > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 14:51:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJpESF004445 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:51:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDJolQb025238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDJoPNY039132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJoMBZ048860; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBDJnxUc048276 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 11470 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 19:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:49:51 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:49:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c83dc1$54a23c40$290d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg9vqdNWio9tuTnTCeSmP+v+9AwCwAAZ2Eg Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e63e497-8ec6-4a4d-a13f-dc266729d1ea X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47618D17.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:50:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Depends on the fabric, I think. I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on linen and cotton. If I see the blood spot immediately, I wet it with (eew) saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother taught me that...) For stains a little older, I CAREFULLY wet with hydrogen peroxide, and rinse, and repeat until stain is gone. Of course you want to know ahead of time that this won't fade/harm your fabric- I'm an obsessive tester, so I try all this stuff out on spare fabric, flosses, etc, before I start a project. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the work of the couturieres was shown. It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. What do you think they used? I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two. What do you do? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 15:17:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDKHIK9004870 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:17:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDKGnYA020503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDKFxu4042600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDKF4Qc083024; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDKEfQM082216 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c66.2326531c (37037) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DG08 (webmail-dg08.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.72]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB027-90ad4761929150; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:14:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:57 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <000201c83dc1$54a23c40$290d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by WEBMAIL-DG08 (205.188.171.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:57 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0BDBD3A422CE-D48-8B3@WEBMAIL-DG08> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fa66a8f-c3b0-4d21-b488-6276f6484e81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47619331.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:16:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Papain meat tenderizer also works, but it might also dissolve protein fabrics--so don't use on silk or wool. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Frank A Thallas Jr To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 2:49 pm Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Depends on the fabric, I think. I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on linen and cotton. If I see the blood spot immediately, I wet it with (eew) saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother taught me that...) For stains a little older, I CAREFULLY wet with hydrogen peroxide, and rinse, and repeat until stain is gone. Of course you want to know ahead of time that this won't fade/harm your fabric- I'm an obsessive tester, so I try all this stuff out on spare fabric, flosses, etc, before I start a project. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the work of the couturieres was shown. It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. What do you think they used? I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two. What do you do? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 16:26:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDLQ9mj006984 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:26:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDLPfxw021769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:25:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDLOsuU053838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDLOjcx080147; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDJ2KgF080717 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071213190215.KUCO29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:02:15 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.85]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:02:15 +0100 Message-ID: <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071213172429.QOQB10637.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:02:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.85] at Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:02:15 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001e01c83dba$ab538cd0$5543a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aed3295a-a98b-4a2f-b96b-bdca299187eb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4761A355.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:25:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yeah, i should have ben embroidering a lot these last coupple of days, but i found i better had to download all the ones i could get, you never know how long they will be on the internet, it must be quite expensive to have all that lying on the net with such high resolution engravings. And the way they have glued the prints with several on each page, makes a lot of work to do in the drawing program when you want to seperate these to single ones. I prefer this, because its very difficult to single each one out, when they are pasted manny together. So you are right, evil time consuming, but wonderfull drawings........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database > Bjarne, > > You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL! Either way, thank you so much for that > link and the directions for navigating the web-site. The images are > incredible! > > Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending > the > whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just > might! > > Happy Holidays everyone! > > Laurie T. > Phoenix, Arizona > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:58 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database > > I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link. > It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and > onwards, > year by year. > Go to this page: > http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html > click on recherche simple. > Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection > macinet, then click recherche. > Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click > under > where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the > right, click the link in the bottom. > Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge > resolution images wich pops up in new windows. > They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man? > I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said > here, > it should work for you! > There is enough for days i tell you........................ > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: > 12/13/2007 > 9:15 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 16:28:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDLSPjL007216 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:28:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDLRvx7027880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDLRaDL054381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDLRVRW084216; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBDK50b3067954 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200712132005.lBDK50b3067954@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2007 20:04:51 -0000 Received: from p548E359E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.53.158] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 21:04:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ehaFh3vFexWszHTxOTQ9VjE0Ilji4RiiUXmjvtK wlLUJze+HxRuZo X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:04:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains In-Reply-To: <000201c83dc1$54a23c40$290d140a@edwardstepobxw> References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <000201c83dc1$54a23c40$290d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c75fefb0-c2ef-42d3-93d7-a291a293d42c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4761A3DD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:28:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I remember having heard that blood stains can be=20 removed with milk, but I don=B4t know if it works.=20 And it=B4s probably not done at Chanel, because it=20 might leave marks on silks and such. Like Liadain=20 said, saliva works well for fresh spots. Some=20 dressmakers use a long thread of basting cotton,=20 chew it a bit and use the wet cotton to wipe away the spot. Hanna At 20:49 13.12.2007, you wrote: >Depends on the fabric, I think. I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on linen >and cotton. If I see the blood spot immediately, I wet it with (eew) >saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother taught >me that...) For stains a little older, I CAREFULLY wet with hydrogen >peroxide, and rinse, and repeat until stain is gone. Of course you want to >know ahead of time that this won't fade/harm your fabric- I'm an obsessive >tester, so I try all this stuff out on spare fabric, flosses, etc, before I >start a project. > >Liadain > >THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO >wildernesse, the Outlands >http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:30 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains > >I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the >work of the couturieres was shown. >It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers >and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they >send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. >What do you think they used? >I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for >myself two. >What do you do? > >Bjarne > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 17:06:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDM66GR008272 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:06:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDM5WWd031855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:05:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDM4Qd4059268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDM4LcQ036071; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBDM4CN9035698 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 11037 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 22:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:05 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c83dd4$15149290$190d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <200712132005.lBDK50b3067954@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acg9zxM3FIIRtaK2R0ygqV/QirdlpwABMb0g X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66cb7874-6971-41b1-946c-abe44ce4b1fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4761ACAC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Liadain Hillbilly girl THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Hi, <<<<<<>>=20 Some=20 dressmakers use a long thread of basting cotton,=20 chew it a bit and use the wet cotton to wipe away the spot. Hanna At 20:49 13.12.2007, you wrote: >Depends on the fabric, I think. I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on = linen >and cotton. If I see the blood spot immediately, I wet it with (eew) >saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother = taught _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 18:14:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNE6cq009816 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:14:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDNDchE017499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:13:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDNCG9X069204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNC6vZ028382; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBDNC166028219 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27879 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2007 23:11:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cPW7aBXMGhXSKejEnLfKSoc8H/+PcvKk1D4D5ZYyeM2qdF8yypAECQJJn9HNNUtxnmLVVNmrTtIvG4txevV3hanv2HtM3zIzCz/rfGubp4f3HnZbg5MwGtJ0qeI0bMXeOOqYAVNxWNsfcifqgZ4JdzTOypFRFp+FSXm6y8qmDBA=; X-YMail-OSG: 6YNa9noVM1naKW41_85AVykhrx7A0x7stdsjFgXB01gqJUYhVOblXI03KzhKN2vo_jXBC_QbxzhOr274dIv7C_DjOHfa.tYoLUEOFAk_tjHkSTrDmfc- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:11:55 PST Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:11:55 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <716568.26026.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25f13cd8-cff3-4107-9346-7311a5a62773 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4761BCA2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kimiko --- zelda crusher wrote: > There is no color discrepancy or wear marks so the > flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this > as the fabric. > > One thing I've learned on this list is that there is > a vast amount of experience of ALL sorts among you. > Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket > depression"? > > Thanks in advance, > Laurie > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 18:28:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNSDQ6010133 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:28:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDNRkUb021618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:27:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDNRQZG070946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNRNEw045805; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:27:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNR7sf045449 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8BA1C2E80B3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:12:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2A0A82E808A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:12:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECC41800AD for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:27:05 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:27:05 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <716568.26026.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Blood off fabric Thread-Index: Acg93Z4sTEN1okQwQdWTbB5IIc7nUAAAU7kg References: <716568.26026.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blood off fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0aea96d4-436a-4cc1-8557-f9835301f813 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4761BFF2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 18:32:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNW0eF010225 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:32:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDNVJ7E031469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDNUiW3071750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:30:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNUhJo050436; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:30:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBDNUdcb050203 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W41 ([65.55.133.76]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:30:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.188.12] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:30:34 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <716568.26026.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <716568.26026.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 23:30:34.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[2875B330:01C83DE0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f57ce95-7602-475a-bd27-303f936ad779 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4761C0C7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh dear, yes I should have said what I've tried already. I used the steam= setting on the iron (which issues *clouds* of steam) and then brushed it w= ith the cat brush, lol. I think I will try the steam, vacuum and toothbrus= h team, followed by the wet it, whack it on the table and vacuum team. I'l= l let you know.... Thanks,=20 Laurie > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:11:55 -0800> From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com= > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?)> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > > H= i Laurie,> > Have you tried simply steaming the wool, and letting> it sit t= o dry, steam, dry... maybe even using a> toothbrush or other brush to gentl= y bring up the nap a> bit? Steam on wool has done wonders for me.> > Kimiko= > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 20:53:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE1rXAD014913 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:53:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE1r6vI003265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:53:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE1pv7x090701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE1prRh005385; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE1poUE005273 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kstormy@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY123-W4 ([207.46.11.39]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:51:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.11.184.1] From: Kathy Stormberg To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:51:45 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2007 01:51:45.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1EEA5C0:01C83DF3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41c28306-0790-4962-a876-a4300b3e6b86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4761E202.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am a nurse and do get spattered with blood on occasion. Hydrogen peroxid= e works very well in most cases and has saved many of my shirts. It works = well for both fresh and old blood. It froths up when first applied and the= area will become warm. I rinse well with cold water then launder as usual= . On cotton and cotton/poly I have had no problems with fabric damage. I = have never tried it on silk, linen or wool. =20 -Kathy> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Thu, = 13 Dec 2007 20:29:46 +0100> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains> >= I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the = work of the couturieres was shown.> It happened from time to time, that som= e of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creat= ions, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and remove= d the blod stains.> What do you think they used?> I have often wondered abo= ut this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two.> What do you= do?> > Bjarne> > _______________________________________________> h-costum= e mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/lis= tinfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 21:08:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE28sjX015336 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE28RvH007285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE283eR091775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE2810g018189; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE27LXx017512 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf7.22cb241b (37256) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA076-91884761e2e02a9; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20071213172429.QOQB10637.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5553b0b-e614-4581-88aa-cab13cc3cdbd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4761E59B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: >> Type in mode in the place at the left, I got this far in the directions but what do I type? When I type "mode", I get a page with no listings. What am I doing wrong? I'd like to see the embroidery, too. Thanks. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 21:20:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE2KAwh015650 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE2Jcpe012878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:19:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE2JLeB092802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE2JK01028654; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE2JFo2028579 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from astitch@golden.net) Received: from localhost (golden1.internal.mail.execulink.net [69.63.44.66]) by smtp2.execulink.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE2LMUO002582 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:21:22 -0500 Received: from node-2265.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.248.217] helo=Roberts) by localhost with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J307f-0007Gz-Ra for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:17:55 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c83df7$b9b6a3b0$4001a8c0@Roberts> From: "Paul and Charlene" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071213172429.QOQB10637.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database THANK YOU Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:19:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf700d43-bb9a-4808-822d-d889e089a179 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4761E83A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Charlene Roberts _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 22:06:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE36TF2017162 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:06:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE360Ae017387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE34lvL096862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:04:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE34hO3068646; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE34csg068597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-52.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE34ZnU026847 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:04:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200712132330.lBDNUh0w050438@net.indra.com> References: <200712132330.lBDNUh0w050438@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:04:33 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5115/Thu Dec 13 10:46:23 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49009725-052b-4991-8481-3e7166577357 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4761F318.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:06:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The only thing that comes to mind is the old trick of placing ice cubes along the line of the depression, waiting for it to completely melt, blot up the residue and then vacuum after it dries. This works on carpet (after you've moved the furniture, don'tcha know) but that may be because a lot of carpet these days is made from unnatural fibres. Note that there is no heat involved in this method -- I don't know if it would work on wool. Good luck! Suzanne On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:30 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Kimiko Small > Date: December 13, 2007 5:11:55 PM CST > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?) > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > Hi Laurie, > > Have you tried simply steaming the wool, and letting > it sit to dry, steam, dry... maybe even using a > toothbrush or other brush to gently bring up the nap a > bit? Steam on wool has done wonders for me. > > Kimiko > > > --- zelda crusher wrote: > >> There is no color discrepancy or wear marks so the >> flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this >> as the fabric. >> >> One thing I've learned on this list is that there is >> a vast amount of experience of ALL sorts among you. >> Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket >> depression"? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 22:06:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE36WrW017169 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:06:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE365KD002036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE35im5097029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE35hiZ069601; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE35c3d069506 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.31.48.163]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8r) with ESMTP id 8245846-1928045 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:05:20 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [210.9.140.115]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8r) with ESMTP id 250115566-1928045 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:05:21 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:05:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency Thread-Index: Acg9/ityaiocLKnxEdyq/QADk7ERAA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=15, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.140.115 X-X-Originating-IP: 210.9.140.115 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03a97e84-b0e7-4300-81b1-8ead70a4fb72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4761F31D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:06:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Elizabeth I have this pattern but haven't used it yet but Linda has made the corded stays if you want to ask her. I like the short stays by Sense & Sensibility (now selling in Australia from Simplicity). Cheers, Aylwen On 13/12/07 7:27 AM, "Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org" wrote: >> Hi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric (an embroidered organza) to > start >> thinking about Regency, my biggest problem has been underwear but as > Past >> Patterns has a 20% off sale I thought that I might use Past pattern #001 > >> http://www.pastpatterns.com/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper than > the >> only other commercial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length >> corset, Mantua maker) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked >> 1820s-40s the pictures didn't seem too far off the Regency style corset, > has >> anybody used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an > idea >> of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try >> making adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing. > > That was the pattern I started from for my Regency corset, because it does > seem very similar to the c1810 corsets to me too :-) Just as a warning, a > friend of mine and I _struggled_ to do the fitting for the corset, 'cause > we'd chosen to do the one with no side seam (only bust and hip gores) > which eventually worked but was the most difficult fitting project that > either of us had ever done. Now that the construction is all done, it's a > wonderful corset! Fun to wear :-) > -sunny > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or > disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently > delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or > saving them. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 13 22:34:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE3Y6JO017855 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE3XdYs015477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:33:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE3X6f6098969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:33:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE3X57Y093733; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE3X2Hg093575 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JT000DPLSIFNB20@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:32:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:32:39 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Blood off fabric In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78bb97d9-bf3f-4afa-90c3-4499cc7083a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4761F993.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:33:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My husband bled all over a pair of new light beige pants. He did not tell me until after the blood was totally dried. I tried Shout, soaking them, etc. Finally, washing them several times with Oxyclean did the trick. The stain is almost gone and it was originally so bad I was going to toss the pants in the garbage. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:27 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Blood off fabric If the blood is fresh and scant, spit sometimes works on cotton and linen. However it can still stain. I'm sure we've all experienced this doing embrodiery or handsewing a seam. Some Victorian and Edwardian books on household remedies do include natural cleaning remedies. I've heard of vinager and baking soda having some effect, but it might harm even colorfast fabrics. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 00:44:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE5ioSw021213 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:44:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE5iJus021912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE5h79I012266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE5h2WH008046; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE5gum6007989 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:42:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A792AC70376; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:41:38 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20071213105747.ZLHU5979.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:42:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c83e14$297e7300$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg9dwHCks/yDMlHQIuIeN6/Y2bNzAAnRR2Q In-Reply-To: <20071213105747.ZLHU5979.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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This is fabulous! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link. It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and onwards, year by year. Go to this page: http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html click on recherche simple. Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection macinet, then click recherche. Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click under where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the right, click the link in the bottom. Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge resolution images wich pops up in new windows. They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man? I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said here, it should work for you! There is enough for days i tell you........................ Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 00:46:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE5krQb021312 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:46:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE5kNvV020634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE5k7ha012525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:46:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE5k5pU010527; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [67.18.59.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBE5jxfh010433 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 22562 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 05:47:51 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 05:47:51 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34418) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J33N1-0003or-Ay; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:45:59 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20071214004559.c3oi7mgnq8gsw4ks@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:45:59 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5039aa25-f091-4672-b284-11d33427adc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476218AF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:46:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Leif og Bjarne Drews : > I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where > all the work of the couturieres was shown. > It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their > fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they > had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod > stains. > What do you think they used? > I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it > happens for myself two. > What do you do? > Soak it in salt water. susan/ jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 01:10:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE6AIdd022123 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:10:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBE69owr026811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE69PRj014517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE69NSc027778; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBE69HIU027705 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ADBFAC50310; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:07:59 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:09:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c83e17$d7a2f4d0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg9vnqZKF6kc6FrRpqX0sz83/Q7uAAWNdxQ In-Reply-To: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2b57560-7ad3-40f4-8ba1-bfe2dbe69183 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47621E2F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:09:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend told me that if you bleed on fabric, you need to suck it out, because your saliva will put your blood into solution. It worked on some cotton I was working on. Anyone know if this is true or not? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the work of the couturieres was shown. It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. What do you think they used? I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two. What do you do? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 05:13:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEADh9F000812 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:13:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEADFv1020889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:13:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEAC5vG035034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEAC28Q039721; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEABwkY039656 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071214101157.NYUU29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:11:57 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.85]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071214101157.IWE23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20071214101157.IWE23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071213172429.QOQB10637.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com><20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20071214020938.BVVS4584.fep28.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:11:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.85] at Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:11:54 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <002301c83e39$bf5d4d40$5543a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90b58ac5-bfdb-4134-8b40-92b32c5551b5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4762573B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:13:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Susan, Type in mode and scroll a little down, put a mark under collection Maciet, scroll up again, and click the link called Rechercher with the arrow. Then all the titles appears. Mark one of the titles and click under where it says voir les notices. Then the title of the book appears on the right side, scroll down a little and there is a link in the text, click this, and then all the small images pops up, each of these can be clicked to big images wich pops up in new window. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database > > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > >>> Type in mode in the place at the left, > > I got this far in the directions but what do I type? When I type "mode", > I get a page with no listings. What am I doing wrong? I'd like to see > the embroidery, too. > > Thanks. > > Susan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 08:49:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEDnrQE026621 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:49:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEDnNsd012520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:49:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEDmW5T062315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEDmTpA054379; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:48:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEDmPCD054196 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:50:06 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B029BF71A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <000201c83e17$d7a2f4d0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] removing blod stains Thread-Index: Acg9vnqZKF6kc6FrRpqX0sz83/Q7uAAWNdxQABA1coA= References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <000201c83e17$d7a2f4d0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2007 13:50:06.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BF957E0:01C83E58] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3148b6f5-8b6d-4a4f-aa11-11333ad8d62f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476289E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:49:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yep - same enzymes that dissolve food. patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:09 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains A friend told me that if you bleed on fabric, you need to suck it out, because your saliva will put your blood into solution. It worked on some cotton I was working on. Anyone know if this is true or not?=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the work of the couturieres was shown. It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains. What do you think they used? I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two. What do you do? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 08:55:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEDtTx9026822 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:55:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEDt0fU029265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEDsLFk063033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEDsKRL061235; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEDsFul061103 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071214135411.OYCT29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:54:11 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.85]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071214135411.PMV21281.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:54:11 +0100 Message-ID: <20071214135411.PMV21281.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:54:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.85] at Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:54:10 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000a01c83e58$cb98ebe0$5543a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 271ec508-1203-4571-b354-94b695e1ec2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47628B34.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 10:04:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEF4aPa028797 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:04:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEF46bI025474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEF2wU8071945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEF2Evc050541; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEF1PjI049062 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.16]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:01:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:01:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.218.45 by BAY133-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:01:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.218.45] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acg9zuG+HazDiNUSTBmEeLSp0/+cTgAkx4fQ In-Reply-To: <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2007 15:01:10.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[299559F0:01C83E62] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4388fab5-dddf-4adf-8b54-8b0f8db6576a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47629B66.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Bjarne! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 10:14:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEFEHM1029050 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:14:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEFDjjx031193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:13:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEFDP3j073468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEFDN3d067107; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEFDJlI066950 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W34 ([65.55.133.69]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:13:14 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.165.78] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?)-Follow up Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:13:14 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <716568.26026.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2007 15:13:14.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9649070:01C83E63] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 409add03-4a44-45d7-9bcd-1a6ca07ee849 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47629DA9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:13:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO =20 Well, I eventually had to resort to soaking the fabric (it is a testament t= o how compressed the fibers were that they wouldn't even accept *water* unt= il they had soaked and I manipulated the seam marks under the water) and th= en rolling the seam marks between thumb and forefinger. In the end, however, it still looks like there were pockets there. Luckily I found some black wool coating at FabricMart.com for $4.99/yd and = 20% off that, so I can alternate panels or some creative thing and she can = still have a warm, comfortable and "designer" coat. And still come in unde= r $30. I expect I can find a good use for the other red panels as well (a backpack= and hat come to mind). =20 As always, live and learn. Or, as they say, "As ye sew, so shall ye rip". Thank you all for your helpful suggestions! =20 Laurie =20 =20 >I think I will try the steam, vacuum and toothbrush team, followed by the = wet it, whack it on the >table and vacuum team. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:20:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi everyone, I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled... Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome... --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:47:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good Morning Zuzana! Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called "Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If you want to see the whole article let me know. :) Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = 1 ounce. 8 momme = 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight. Shantung Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns. Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm Douppioni Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff, taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm. For a detailed chart go to http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000. My source was the above book. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung Hi everyone, I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled... Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome... --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 11:01:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEG1Ne8030296 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:01:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEG0oLs018506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEG07BK079785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEG05dJ032492; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBEFxv6q032230 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4779 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2007 15:59:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=23587lbg6GvA9TomSdtCL47581G9h66XIb1hKqIjukPpfkJR+SvrYG7xfkkkTmdDrGVxhHZOWiqfcM8EqhVnkJe+GGCcR0DEvybrUz1v8Apj1IGoEySjildeHPoCm7qKv3NWSXzZs52YcNxSnf86ICd81oWDUZA2N4StRqRbN34=; X-YMail-OSG: ACINB34VM1m95oci4RAaL_X2ydElaMw9_Q5FEUrEI7pdhxmAc5Lz4.o4kDSuLEhuI.J6bFS5Et2u7ULaLbFAW67QZdym8GYACRUtC.OAI7ruJnpTBPOUx.K4aOFyug-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:59:51 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4762a53a.08d2260a.5bbc.6f5f@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33bb6a4b-d014-4217-b4b9-ae3c74674d43 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4762A8B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:00:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks very much!! If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the definitions I understood that Shantung might be the finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? Chiara Francesca wrote: Good Morning Zuzana! Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called "Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If you want to see the whole article let me know. :) Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = 1 ounce. 8 momme = 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight. Shantung Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns. Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm Douppioni Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff, taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm. For a detailed chart go to http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000. My source was the above book. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung Hi everyone, I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled... Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome... --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 11:09:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEG9Uto030561 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:09:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEG8xP7011441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:09:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEG6cxR081566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEG6SeO042390; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-66.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEG6Li5042243 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:06:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312E5111937 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:06:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4762AA07.6090209@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:06:31 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? References: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> <200712072338.51983.cathy@thyrsus.com> <8296995c0712130856w5286263emd66ee24bc21f93ae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0712130856w5286263emd66ee24bc21f93ae@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ba47248-2799-4430-8ed8-a5aa1d7b52a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4762AA9B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds a good > costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done anything like > Sally's calendars. > You can get some good art calendars at Bud Plant's website. They sell a lot of art books and fantasy ephemera. I have several of the Sally Queen calendars, but lately the topics have not interested me. I don't think I bought the last two. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 11:21:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEGLllB030927 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:21:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEGLISi014174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEGFw9D083449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEGFrJO056132; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:15:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEGFlmU055928 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so895880wri.8 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:15:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=XinwjYOXbtUyc1kaSQW3kS+so/SBn6gZ8N2OtFS9xYY=; b=xq8CxtJ5OdRV9kv0KPXET9qpF0AYAyS1MZPLXFfJ0uXWX8+14N6Kx198Q3hxGPCSOw1zEdfEVtn+1caxbjqrbYhgjj4pxh1Bwd+FqMBbEMUPLqQHDlqRDluTavG5RcUshmjmBO52FCr/5TmD9qZE65euyVVAgKNS08bC3Uu7Ggk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=OEJrhysZ5r2WkZm7yqQ3D6aed4/+fw1LdcCD+8m/E5CZGOwJ89L2a24pyGH0s8BKbtlcbuHsjom1SGYiXCQ+aJJmXq4kWFfqZ4okQuCR791IgbZTXM74fwKcUn1Hlz5dRl2+9j+kGBMpEPxu9/0g63HYyLIE/wf4WfLCNdCUurQ= Received: by 10.142.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr1568882wfg.100.1197648945625; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a42sm11485074rne.2007.12.14.08.15.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4762a53a.08d2260a.5bbc.6f5f@mx.google.com> <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:15:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg+aok93sO0y+kpTHG+Ui8zgH3ROgAAO+KQ Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4762ac30.2a99260a.4a5f.ffff88a6@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f825225-589a-4249-8c4e-e60d9cc3f6f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4762AD7E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:21:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That is correct. Anything over 28mm is considered heavy weight. Shantung would be the heavy weight. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:00 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung Thanks very much!! If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the definitions I understood that Shantung might be the finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? Chiara Francesca wrote: Good Morning Zuzana! Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called "Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If you want to see the whole article let me know. :) Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = 1 ounce. 8 momme = 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight. Shantung Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns. Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm Douppioni Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff, taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm. For a detailed chart go to http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000. My source was the above book. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung Hi everyone, I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled... Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome... --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:15:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKFm18004180 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:15:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKFKs6009091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:15:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKE6uI018134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEK9Dgh014625; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEFih4w010240 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071214154416.PKTY29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:16 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.85]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071214154416.QSG20739.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <20071214154416.QSG20739.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071214152259.JBVC10637.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.85] at Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:44:12 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001001c83e68$2bb60850$5543a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2bd301a-88d4-43fc-8dfe-70fe24687957 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4762E458.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:15:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From what i have experiensed, shantung is thinner than dupioni, and shantung also has less slopings as dupioni has. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung > Hi everyone, > > I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been > asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between > silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me > some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs > and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible > slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for > such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got > shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one > says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled... > > Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome... > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:17:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKHwGJ004226 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKHU4x020638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:17:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKHCiA019754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKH5Md026313; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-66.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEGkSsK004734 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1788111937 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:46:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4762B367.9060001@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:46:31 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <000201c83e17$d7a2f4d0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B029BF71A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B029BF71A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f098bfe-8c4a-4805-8755-656350c703fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4762E4DA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:17:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Speaking of removing stains, I thought folks might find this useful. It covers food stains you might encounter during the holiday season. I know a number of us go to parties and events in costume. The Party's Over Stain Guide Here's what to do — at the fatal moment and the morning after. http://lifestyle.msn.com/homeandgarden/home/articlegh.aspx?cp-documentid=5815504>1=10715 Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:22:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKMnLu004319 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:22:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKMMHX017348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:22:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKGmGt019499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKGes5025736; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBEHH2s4052391 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23189 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2007 17:16:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IdMZpMwucUo7XKwTCqBWmru4TYKnMd0RuWh2CRXlSWdV7jGd68GmZi8giXU1+wHn5aD98fEZwymMgZmbc1OG2pcRavjmI6s+vfnSgOQPEMiu3FWLwGzB2SGpaAc5U0Ktu4BR9TXRcWDRYcG7XOsTvi6C4wGP5UI0KDOgmHqfezo=; X-YMail-OSG: bwRKYygVM1nIVaAO3B83eIyzLGBhX6J14oh0Ke5L7bSVG3w9.satYL6YeOmOW0zZu71qMQ2WHpwhNix8kdp9HKb.zV8QwJSbw1Qkq1kJyvYheMlRtm84uRqMw.1mPg-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:16:20 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:16:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <87704.22399.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3df69f0b-7231-413d-a6df-49284f3ed84f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4762E5FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin even weave with the same or similar warp and weft threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft. Some places consider them the same fabric type, but they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness. Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but not really similar to dupioni except for the occasional slub roughness. Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while working with them. Kimiko --- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Thanks very much!! > > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:25:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKPWLK004383 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:25:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKP4m5025392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKJWOB021113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKHdeM027336; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEFjkX8011635 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce8.20c18d7b (37253) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA073-91854762a520350; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:45:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20071214101157.IWE23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20071213172429.QOQB10637.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com><20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20071214020938.BVVS4584.fep28.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20071214101157.IWE23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Message-Id: <93bef8bacd4246796a8f57c43745e034@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:45:34 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9d0f929-092e-4c2a-8ccf-3f99585663de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4762E6A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 14, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dear Susan, > > Type in mode and scroll a little down, put a mark under collection=20 > Maciet, scroll up again, and click the link called Rechercher with the=20 > arrow. > Then all the titles appears. Mark one of the titles and click under=20 > where it says voir les notices. > Then the title of the book appears on the right side, scroll down a=20 > little and there is a link in the text, click this, and then all the=20 > small images pops up, each of these can be clicked to big images wich=20 > pops up in new window. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak"=20 > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:56 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database > > >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: >> >>>> Type in mode in the place at the left, >> >> I got this far in the directions but what do I type? When I type=20 >> "mode", I get a page with no listings. What am I doing wrong? I'd=20 >> like to see the embroidery, too. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Susan >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:31:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKVCXQ004495 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:31:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKUdVQ014709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKTqa0026650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKQKb1040910; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBEH8O5u039375 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36786 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2007 17:08:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xWKcYLe04H8CwghgH9lohP1ALL/kDyGejkVP8oAuCUJy6b6aOCiZshYlb+m9vBejw1kggXI8C5oD9nkSUurrQOYHmnW+pZuzGHZgOi+jmKpd0wDhWQUC4JcSGCi8pMMkMZmU2lwxQTmE3Lw23yMTLxKIdWsqMZVMGJTk7/xfflI=; X-YMail-OSG: rYFQsbEVM1ndEJjrmbHkh7oOE90O6ewtEK.8y7Msq2ZfdQy.FWrTqUn4TUxgBBDwUM_ZQJ6IY11QiLD.TMMBJu2fuUZf8JqqWHLN5nVTNmMe9O1819uPizs2jnDynA-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:08:03 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:08:03 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <367445.24693.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <683704.35910.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10b21653-84ae-481e-b64d-ed5a538c7e83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4762E7EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is a book called "All About Silks" that also comes with swatches. The definition that Chiara already gave pretty much sums it up, but the swatches help. I've worked with both, and shantung is heavier than dupioni because of the filling yarns that give a definite ribbed appearance. It also tends to be smoother than general dupioni with fewer and finer slubs. And dupioni can be found as nearly as smooth as shantung, or very heavy in the slubs. I know of one online fabric store that offers both smooth and slubbed dupioni on different pages (so of course I can't find my link on this). hth, Kimiko --- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've spent the past few days searching on the > internet and I've been asking as many people as I > met and still can't get the difference between silk > shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in > China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a > very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another > day she gets one with a rougher texture and more > visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, > so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric > that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung > and dupioni. But alas, sources say different > definitions, one says the contrary of the other, > leaving me really puzzled... > > Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are > really welcome... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:35:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKZ3sj004609 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:35:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKYZUf030752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:34:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKY661029016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKWh0Y051015; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:33:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEHWi1L076119 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 28E6C4C185 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:31:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A00FF4C15A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:31:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD252400A0 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:54:49 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:54:42 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung Thread-Index: Acg+amhLzVr9nJNKTmC1ej5miFbKggAB0Lgg References: <4762a53a.08d2260a.5bbc.6f5f@mx.google.com> <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 058a52eb-f3c8-4350-83f6-988a3491fb2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4762E8DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:34:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think shantung is fewer slubs and finer ones than dupioni, but it is more densely wovern(more threads per inch), which would make the fabric heavier in weight=20 Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:00 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung Thanks very much!! If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the definitions I understood that Shantung might be the finer (less slubs) = =3D and lighter one? Chiara Francesca wrote: Good Morning Zuzana! Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called "Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If you want to see the whole article let me know. :) Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = =3D 1 ounce. 8 momme =3D 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight. Shantung Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns. Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm Douppioni Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff, taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm. For a detailed chart go to http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000. My source was the above book. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] difference between dupioni and shantung Hi everyone, I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled...=20 Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome... =20 --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume =20 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:38:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKcYEZ004691 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:38:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKc3RZ016971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:38:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKbhuJ031248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKbB2j057653; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKach7056571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-91-95.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.91.95] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J3HGm-0008RA-LA for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:36:29 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071214203311.03583e38@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:36:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung In-Reply-To: <87704.22399.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <87704.22399.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fba573e9-14e8-45ea-97f4-8ec9bbbf670e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4762E9AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:38:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin >even weave with the same or similar warp and weft >threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft >filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a >pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they >use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin >dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft. > >Some places consider them the same fabric type, but >they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby >taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness. >Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but >not really similar to dupioni except for the >occasional slub roughness. > >Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while >working with them. This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They do both ravel like mad though. Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons. Suzi >Kimiko > > >--- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > Thanks very much!! > > > > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and > > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much > > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the > > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the > > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:48:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKmjVb004905 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:48:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKmHN9031924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:48:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKlQAs036678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKlCHf071932; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEJ6JLt017694 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qha41Y00A0bG4ec050BE00; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:08 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qj5m1Y00C3kY7qX3P00000; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rut7ULKXYNcA:10 a=sYoVl27rs71slGOo7dsA:9 a=3t0Fg35e9hye5GZodLvOEWVatVQA:4 a=C35D7iIojSgA:10 Message-ID: <4762D408.1000800@bovil.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:05:44 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung References: <367445.24693.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4762a53a.08d2260a.5bbc.6f5f@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4762a53a.08d2260a.5bbc.6f5f@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e358148-b831-4464-a405-1fc9cb333bb8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4762EC11.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:48:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chiara Francesca wrote: > Shantung > Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made > with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns. > Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a > firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It > can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm > > Douppioni > Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff, > taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often > made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted > doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and > ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm. > It's also worth noting that there's a lot of variability in douppioni (which, as a friend of mine once said, translates to "we don't beat our slack-ass weavers") and shantung. Indian douppioni tends to be pretty slubby. I've seen (and have) Chinese douppioni that could almost pass for taffeta. It's purely technique and weight, The quality of the silk (and the weavers) determines whether it's clean and clear or slubby and rustic. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 15:59:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKxHaZ005198 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:59:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEKwnLn006137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:58:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEKwNgg043384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKvTWZ088504; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEKFn7D024349 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071214193335.RASD3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:33:35 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.73]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:33:35 +0100 Message-ID: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:33:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.73] at Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:33:34 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c83e88$3596f8a0$4914a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c6e5383-907d-4176-a51f-2dd19fdf61d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4762EE89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 16:06:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEL6S4b005347 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:06:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEL611A008467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:06:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEL5R9I047235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEL3SxW098552; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEL3JZk098308 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:03:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id h53so788532hsh.15 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:03:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=FE9xZrp/lWN8tDSSOj8KRIIm4HP0AIJKjxaav0yuJEY=; b=aRCQitYHIERR8wLels1VBdsP3NMMTpeYiB1pUeGDnuBS/rm91k0Y9o3V9HB7aGqTqt1NUaSf0zvzkY9jP5ot1LuHe+dVAJDtv3DlS0akz+fEDA8xikbbOq14WEimBagNiZ5dORpg/V7y7WbiUUZ65MiTyY6qLJmjvHJRVpQSOoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NJGS4UdRxiBj1OqpRF3edcrhUe83CLHsvI2hJgYrkLRC1IZNIuKJn/T/9xtelakvSehDAiRFJQe1I4s4J5WdpF8nS8JOHBhacFVurEXfCvJM/+38BVBWr1A1xr9c/Wb6mbzEDQp9q1nuUAWl1YkVkq6h9qenO87RPYm2JHBod9A= Received: by 10.142.226.2 with SMTP id y2mr1840162wfg.46.1197666197021; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:03:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:03:16 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60c77f53-c81d-4790-880d-f20840362232 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4762F039.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Someone said: >> fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that >> it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too... >> with a little added padding in the breast area, as I >> understand that squishes in, not up. Then Sunny said: >I have not found the Uniquely You dress forms to be squishable enough to >put a corset on it - the cover really compacts the foam down (at least >mine does...) to the point that there is no "squish" left for the corset >to manipulate. My current plan is to get a second cover and shape it to me >while I'm wearing a corset, and hopefully that will result in a corseted >form for draping/fitting on. Wouldnt trade my Uniquely You for any of those other make-do options like the plaster cast, the duct tape & the dial a figure things. A Uniquely You is less hard to do, certainly less messy than plaster, more accurate than tape, models the figure ever so much better, and is, price for performance, the best thing around. Y'all do know the birdseed beanbag trick, right? Put the corset on your dummy but you add birdseed beanbag boobs to get the "up" part. The size of your beanbag boobs will depend of course on the lady you are modelling. The foam can be reshaped, too. I have forward thrust shoulders & protrusive shoulderblades, so I whacked off a bit of foam from the back of the armstub & stuck it on shoulder blade. Do that with your dial a dummy! Sunny, let us know how the Uniquely You cover *over* a corset works. I wonder if you dont just have to buy a cover that's size up on the Uniquely You size chart. I'd considered trying this, too, but as I'm less generously endowed than most, well, let's just say, most times I can even leave off the birdseen beanbags. So, please let us know how it works. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 16:36:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELadZk005977 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:36:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBELa9Wb006483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:36:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBELZ10B068904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELVcL4043840; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELI6MC021472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-91-95.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.91.95] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J3Hun-0003jT-5O for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:17:49 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071214211430.0354d6f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:17:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England In-Reply-To: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 4e25a7ab-7b4e-4edf-98c6-0b47a35b7710 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4762F749.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:36:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:33 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows >anything about this book? > >Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England >(Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover) >by Aileen Ribeiro >Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book? As it is by Aileen Ribiero, it is more likely to be a text type book, and only contain photos of paintings we already know. She was writing it when she gave a lecture I went to, and it was about costume in paintings and plays, books etc., but to be honest I don't remember much about it. I think I picked it up in a book shop one time and decided it wasn't a book I wanted to spend that much money on. But that is a very personal opinion, and I am happy to be corrected. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 17:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEM4Fhs006853 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:04:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEM3iih015882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:03:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEM2eLi089681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEM1V6E091471; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELlvo6068977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.186] (dial-209-148-100-186.sonic.net [209.148.100.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBELldYw031193 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:47:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4762F9FD.9000901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:47:41 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? References: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> <200712072338.51983.cathy@thyrsus.com> <8296995c0712130856w5286263emd66ee24bc21f93ae@mail.gmail.com> <4762AA07.6090209@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4762AA07.6090209@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 61519ce5-c559-4213-bb87-6632eae35181 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4762FDC0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:03:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For 2007 and 2008 I bought the "Golden Age of Fashion" wall calendars, published by Sellers Publishing. They use fashion plates from 1910s and 1920s issues of the "Gazette du Bon Ton." I have seen some of the plates reprinted elsewhere, but these are large, and they are well chosen and well produced. The little boxes for each day have plenty of space to write down appointments or whatever, which is useful to me, since I've never used any kind of desk or online calendar. I'd recommend this calendar for anyone interested in fashions of the 1910s and 1920s. Fran Lavolta Press books on historic costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > Lynn Downward wrote: > >> Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds >> a good >> costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done anything >> like >> Sally's calendars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 17:08:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEM8uUB006998 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:08:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEM8Rjo020607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEM2eFs089680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEM1qXW092008; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELshqR079883 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JT200DBI7I8BV81@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:54:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:54:06 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England In-reply-to: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: c2ecd8ab-e5a3-46c2-a852-00e3263fee75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4762FEDB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:08:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Bjarne-- Sorry for the dalay in posting. I am trying to decorate for Chrisstmas. I have this book. I would recomend it for the pictures alone-- lots of gorgeous color plates, with details. If you are able to get it for a good price, I would buy it. I bought it for full price, but it was worth it! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything about this book? Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover) by Aileen Ribeiro Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 17:14:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEMEcWW007130 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:14:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEME9uo006360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEMDLPr097253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEM9DqV004212; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBELtJaF080853 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53598 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2007 21:54:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AYE6p0dGQgXbPdfjbgP4AQpsIcEAuKfIgX/E31YlGOAAfWEy1r1YY8rN1HS1IdasLbsXfjlaMhn4kga508lO6AxEEGAs9bG4cwVoPmEiEqhN0v5LS1lLlUXyzrycZC/2ASzmMXhZqnWTUiu5qI5Vm1cjOPB2tHSTLWvc5emiEGI=; X-YMail-OSG: v17iKXgVM1keTk3YuVI8jh76Rs3CDex2H.52keBKmqRXOcJg36xIwxiP6lWAaZy5EdzR8f65DnhDVokTG0eSAPm1TaLY3.Itb2n3uNL7Z1LgjKX6Jllg3A7dy9XjaA-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:54:51 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071214203311.03583e38@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <144697.53595.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 8cc971d9-745f-46bd-99fe-f777c24a0eac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47630031.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:14:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think our dupioni has more sizing or something, cause when I buy it is hangs pretty stiffly similar to taffeta (but definitely not the same), but when washed and pressed it goes limp like nothing. And taffeta has a nasty chemical smell when washed, and the wrinkles in taffeta never goes away (yeah, I washed it once) even with lots of high steam, but becomes fairly crisp upon drying. I prefer shantung over dupioni, but dupioni is so much easier to find in lots of colors, including metallics. Shantung does seem to be a nicer, finer silk to work with. I also like taffeta, but not so happy with how to work with it. I like working with washed silks that don't stink. Kimiko --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I > have always > understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In > England, most dupion > is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be > floppy. Shantung > is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a > finer dupion. They > do both ravel like mad though. > > Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. > comparisons. > > Suzi ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 18:04:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEN4Z1C008380 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:04:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBEN46c5029718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:04:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBEN2WJR035006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEMwZ8j085391; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBEMvXiI083326 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071214225638.RMKL13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:56:38 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.224]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071214225638.WQB23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:56:38 +0100 Message-ID: <20071214225638.WQB23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:56:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.224] at Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:56:37 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <002401c83ea4$92b14970$e014a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sally queen associates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6205b65-263b-400d-baed-1a329868402c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47630BE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:04:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How about making your own callender, using some of the gorgeous fashion = prints from the database i posted here. I actually have desided i want some of my favourite ones in a callendar, = and my photo shop makes the callenders in a lot of varieated versions, = and prices. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 18:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENKecn008819 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBENKCHV015794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBENJWXp047847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENHFik016814; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENGdLA015642 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id BE6104C3B6 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 53CF94C3A5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6BE24006C for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:57:56 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:58:16 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England Thread-Index: Acg+lBcY+8jnghfAQNWLQkL+utxOJAAD98cQ References: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02bd4fea-e691-43e6-88cc-3b2d4960df3c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47630FAC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO =20 Bjarne: I have this book and it does have many color illustrations in it as well as text. It covers fashion as influenced by Stuart art and literature from c1600 to 1714, although it shows few fashions past 1700. There is an excellent section on masque costumes, most of the pictures date from 1603-1635.=20 Naturally, the Interregnum(1649-1660) gets little coverage. Hope this helps! Cindy Abel, Omaha NE -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything about this book? =20 Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover) by Aileen Ribeiro Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 18:21:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENL09f008837 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:21:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBENKXxl012122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBENKE60048775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:20:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENJhPG021145; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENIxJ4019592 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id h53so826078hsh.15 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:18:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=YqFr65JdbPDBiZHrlliA+gXN4glNqfmRuedBpHAm1qc=; b=CUE5uMbPce3GLSolXKQp4o/jyEBEDtLjp00Gn22dpG4F45WAvA7JHUlVSYJ9IDFkjf19Ekr0XB+PGGTGlPFi20ISDQ+YezN+hSZuvOlJjPm1tGt8eXZYRx93eFDhMBoiiDFQBV4ue4YKwK+MgGIse8pwP2RtUjRGvn8NtUItHOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=TBKF4pDiMhdGp3dacO4hECkcucUWXoPIlN9MTycY8kdjJM14Q6MNE9urHjwMDoP2gOXnVR5kd5P3/wX3rak+bvYxZlMaL23XMCXfBV05DjELahYSev46R1ZkhSK6PDSPW5LilxkjLpeYGv5Y8exuW6cLwacjWy+7ZnTYZXYTjw0= Received: by 10.150.152.17 with SMTP id z17mr1394561ybd.37.1197674298384; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from TheBeast ( [24.128.118.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i51sm12326872rne.2007.12.14.15.18.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:18:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001b01c83ea7$99bb0410$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071214225638.WQB23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sally queen associates Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:18:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65edb9ac-ccb7-4c4a-b31f-62438ee28e73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47630FC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hmmmm....there's an idea....now if I just had a color printer with INK. *sigh* Starr How about making your own callender, using some of the gorgeous fashion prints from the database i posted here. I actually have desided i want some of my favourite ones in a callendar, and my photo shop makes the callenders in a lot of varieated versions, and prices. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 18:25:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENOwnD008997 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:24:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBENOUGa027355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:24:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBENO4YC051650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENNQvF027834; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:23:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENMoAW026379 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:23:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d03.243eaa87 (65100) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:21:49 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:21:49 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50f9f87b-1539-4d6c-9efb-56a4813df741 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476310AE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:24:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It does have some good pictures and a lot of text.... I can't say whether they're pics you'd be familiar with because I don't know what else you've got. I like it and would say get it if you can get a decent price - but I like Aileen Ribeiro'sstuff in general anyway. In a message dated 14/12/2007 22:21:02 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:54:06 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Bjarne-- Sorry for the dalay in posting. I am trying to decorate for Chrisstmas. I have this book. I would recomend it for the pictures alone-- lots of gorgeous color plates, with details. If you are able to get it for a good price, I would buy it. I bought it for full price, but it was worth it! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything about this book? Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover) by Aileen Ribeiro Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book? Bjarne _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 18:50:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENoAha009658 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:50:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBENnfJD027791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBENnDWJ072207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:49:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENmOUu071853; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBENkwgP068756 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC760111A35 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:46:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <476315EE.6020802@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:46:54 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20071214225638.WQB23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <001b01c83ea7$99bb0410$6501a8c0@TheBeast> In-Reply-To: <001b01c83ea7$99bb0410$6501a8c0@TheBeast> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: calendars (was: sally queen associates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5246c6d-a32a-4814-b130-eeacc91eac56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47631695.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:49:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Brangwyne wrote: > Hmmmm....there's an idea....now if I just had a color printer with INK. > > *sigh* > You can have it made at Cafe Press, printed and mailed to you. And if you share with the list, we can buy copies ourselves. My husband had a calendar made up like this a few years ago, with screen shots from an online game he liked to play. It was not very costly. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 19:28:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0SFpA010607 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:28:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF0Rmkk023679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:27:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF0QdqX093992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0Qb9p029852; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0QYUj029793 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBF63807D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sally queen associates Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:28:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20071214225638.WQB23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <001b01c83ea7$99bb0410$6501a8c0@TheBeast> In-Reply-To: <001b01c83ea7$99bb0410$6501a8c0@TheBeast> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712141928.06001.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 792a045c-6703-40cb-aff6-8d976deabc12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47631F84.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:27:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 14 December 2007, Brangwyne wrote: > Hmmmm....there's an idea....now if I just had a color printer with INK. > > *sigh* > > Starr > > > How about making your own callender, using some of the gorgeous fashion > prints from the database i posted here. > I actually have desided i want some of my favourite ones in a callendar, > and my photo shop makes the callenders in a lot of varieated versions, and > prices. Bjarne, that's a great idea! And in fact I know of a site that lets people do just that: http://www.zazzle.com I just did a calendar for myself using photos of Viking clothing I've made. (They also let you design your own t-shirts and mugs, among other things.) -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 19:30:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0U7lV010662 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF0Td2x030481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBELYqkA068770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELVDtp043157; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBELUKMp041299 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:30:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GKMi5Wy81avFMVeBSyYHy2BnN7ti01f4NQw32CdSr07Xh17o/fuBSiS3v47UCefP; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.125.76] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J3I6g-0007rB-Nk for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00ab01c83e98$92848a90$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071214193335.UWW10583.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress in Stuart England Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:30:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48f05a4daf0f6673d98c1f40085050868885709c4405726f5b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.125.76 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd5623fe-fd49-4476-b87f-0105094c4c8b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47631FF3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:29:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything about this book? Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover) by Aileen Ribeiro Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book? Bjarne It's got great pictures, and lots of detail. The text is also very good. I use my copy all the time. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 19:30:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0UnJY010682 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF0UM3A010919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF0TwmN094443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0Tv6X033268; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0TsYd033221 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A527D3807D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar? Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:31:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7d21ac190712071221g6f77a1baid0570826e628d799@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0712130856w5286263emd66ee24bc21f93ae@mail.gmail.com> <4762AA07.6090209@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4762AA07.6090209@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712141931.27464.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3fb426a-f9cd-41ca-b1a2-6fe63649c875 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4763201E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 14 December 2007, Dawn wrote: > Lynn Downward wrote: > > Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds a > > good costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done > > anything like Sally's calendars. > > You can get some good art calendars at Bud Plant's website. They sell a > lot of art books and fantasy ephemera. > > I have several of the Sally Queen calendars, but lately the topics have > not interested me. I don't think I bought the last two. I didn't buy the last one for that reason. However, I might have felt differently if I'd known it would be the LAST one. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 19:52:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0qt8q011231 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:52:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF0qS6d026293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF0q0cf099297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0pur1057949; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF0ppD9057522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-163-53.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.163.53] helo=GilgameshII) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J3LFo-000NZc-Gn for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:21:44 +1030 Message-ID: <001401c83eb4$a750b9a0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200712141958.lBEJnXwo083586@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:21:39 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 571 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e301b18a-dbd6-474a-ac04-e08570dddf0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4763254C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:52:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:45:59 -0500 From: Susan Farmer Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: <20071214004559.c3oi7mgnq8gsw4ks@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Quoting Leif og Bjarne Drews : > I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where > all the work of the couturieres was shown. > It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their > fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they > had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod > stains. > What do you think they used? > I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it > happens for myself two. > What do you do? > Soak it in salt water. Or just plain cold water, straight away. You will have to rinse it quite a bit though. If it's not something you can get wet maybe the red wine on the carpet trick would work - sprinkle liberally with salt and rub in. The idea is the salt soaks the liquid out. It would probably work with any other 'thirsty' dry material too - sugar, or cornflour. Whatever you do don't use warm or hot water as this sets the stain. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 23:40:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF4eEY1017849 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:40:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF4dkx8027898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF4ca0Y042280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF4cWlH065818; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF4cUWX065777 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:38:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so383235ana.65 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:38:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:content-language:thread-index:message-id; bh=BDJIrjQB8OfFckF6UVrnhtdTlhZtclaNTewV3EW7spw=; b=RwDrGr+aXycEahYA4FaL3AKJr0ZMiGvDTagIImDut1bep7RW94Vw3avVQXj176i2237vqpeDTz372OZpFWCF4U4pcNSvPCCoyRQm/Y5OqsszhkQhM1I1wAH2b8OpsXaxcT0Mg51aYYyNepZfUHxYNwvD2Q2QZr75I/Umz0pB7vQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:content-language:thread-index:message-id; b=rZ2XmmfDyj+HgJiIXWsEHvUc/DceEh5q4WOhpBuLKPqJrOelAcbGl1iHcB425c6b12xw9JuDvwgmUwlymft/TIzqHOiwHiSeOOJDjsoNYVRPDFSL1kii/CFcne/RNuPSVL9pCUF5wgiTBxRjRwNlDppGcNNhqDIPgSMB47wFIc8= Received: by 10.100.7.1 with SMTP id 1mr8673491ang.73.1197693509727; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a42sm12528964rne.2007.12.14.20.38.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <56705.4440.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <87704.22399.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071214203311.03583e38@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071214203311.03583e38@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:38:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-Index: Acg+kyKAU3+jve2YSx29ZOU9evhSbwAPzTNA Message-ID: <47635a44.2a99260a.4a5f.56e3@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 158af16c-47f5-40a8-bf0b-52f15c762468 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47635A92.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi but please realize that unlike European countries the US no longer has a silk mass producer that I know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty markets. Kimiko, correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better than I. All of our silk comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India stamped on the bolt ends. For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop here that we all hit and their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them. I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other country's stamp on it. In the end, Zuzana, look for the weight. Since you are not there with your sister in China ask her to look at the weights and to look at the surface. If you can get the book of swatches that Kimiko recommends do it and send it to her asap or see if she can get one where she is at. If you have the fabric you want already, send her that swatch so that she can compare it. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin >even weave with the same or similar warp and weft >threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft >filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a >pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they >use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin >dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft. > >Some places consider them the same fabric type, but >they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby >taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness. >Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but >not really similar to dupioni except for the >occasional slub roughness. > >Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while >working with them. This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They do both ravel like mad though. Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons. Suzi >Kimiko > > >--- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > Thanks very much!! > > > > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and > > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much > > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the > > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the > > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 14 23:50:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF4o05e018258 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:50:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF4nXNk024765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF4nHnV043329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF4nGo3074243; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:49:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBF4nDIS074145 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94720 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2007 04:49:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WDXGsZhqvbdujmZVim/01/AIzH0O2YByvPlvkjZdse8AacXRWXspBr5O+9OakTcewwwEbwD6fcCX/wPpwhrvJnkvHAaZaoR32RsKa9qyDF6wwRMM+eryIX52Jc8PAB6u77HCYT2RbkDntahWaD3NGqfGVoFkcyBps65JcyNH3+U=; X-YMail-OSG: vkqW3xgVM1mZitctbSVUbpKi5ODq3oNt4G4PKbkVvWpRAs603Y8egyFZ_8M1NS1SYDX8gROZsV8EUt6IQnUKIIxsVMmuYOKruwH0d4bCmoPQm1Sl7vEa9u4TGHBgDA-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:49:07 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47635a44.2a99260a.4a5f.56e3@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <919296.92408.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 498aa800-80e4-41ad-a8b8-f6446f395cb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47635CDD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've not been able to enjoy seeing the ends of bolts, except the few at Hancock's. I tend to order my silks from various online sources as I need them. But Chiara, what you have stated seems to be true based on my experience those times I do know where the silk is coming from. While I covet the Italian or other finer European silks, I so can't afford them yet. Kimiko --- Chiara Francesca wrote: > I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi > but please realize that > unlike European countries the US no longer has a > silk mass producer that I > know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty > markets. Kimiko, > correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better > than I. All of our silk > comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India > stamped on the bolt ends. > For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop > here that we all hit and > their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them. > > I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other > country's stamp on it. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 00:27:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF5RrjE019420 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF5RNA2027992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF5QqkL046801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF5Qo16011838; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBF5QiH7011729 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72884 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2007 05:26:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0h4qKrg4mCNIlmLOBvqfcN/5+aqFR6O8p41I53gEMKha/LZEJOuisXnQNAEOm5cPJWjrh7QBI1qG3Bdong0tzk0pPQl5ikTEHMlXhw100TJR25xLI9B40eraNYS7IiwO6TbD4eaDiL1xPwV3CMqMr+lZIVvWkY6AWNDKdXWWYlk=; X-YMail-OSG: UqNOlsYVM1lmYNIiwIuL7P8MJLTMy0WIRVPe7m8bJLAVKSD_2y6CvuzjqcZuK53kN1DpBNX4SePaOLrhnV8uVcv1hg0iQs5QYTs4JWMQnP.4wNEqxWE- Received: from [216.37.253.38] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:26:38 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:26:38 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20071213190215.ZXBH10903.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <661287.67515.qm@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4b125c7-12c6-4e1d-b51e-fc7c5409b8e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476365BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry as this has probably already been answered, but nothing comes up for me? I'm dying to see these...help! Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: Yeah, i should have ben embroidering a lot these last coupple of days, but i found i better had to download all the ones i could get, you never know how long they will be on the internet, it must be quite expensive to have all that lying on the net with such high resolution engravings. And the way they have glued the prints with several on each page, makes a lot of work to do in the drawing program when you want to seperate these to single ones. I prefer this, because its very difficult to single each one out, when they are pasted manny together. So you are right, evil time consuming, but wonderfull drawings........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database > Bjarne, > > You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL! Either way, thank you so much for that > link and the directions for navigating the web-site. The images are > incredible! > > Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending > the > whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just > might! > > Happy Holidays everyone! > > Laurie T. > Phoenix, Arizona > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:58 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database > > I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link. > It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and > onwards, > year by year. > Go to this page: > http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html > click on recherche simple. > Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection > macinet, then click recherche. > Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click > under > where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the > right, click the link in the bottom. > Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge > resolution images wich pops up in new windows. > They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man? > I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said > here, > it should work for you! > There is enough for days i tell you........................ > > Bjarne --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 02:29:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF7SvJA003728 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:28:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF7STP5002856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:28:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF7RDcx060424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF7R1o4094869; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF7Qw8W094842 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1731B6003B0; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:25:39 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20071213192955.ZXRW21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <000201c83e17$d7a2f4d0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B029BF71A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <4762B367.9060001@reddawn.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:26:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c83eeb$dd197950$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg+jwSwdgPZZdPaRlOqzWbF+CfQ8QAXJxwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <4762B367.9060001@reddawn.net> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b891c97d-3ff4-49a2-bd8a-9e01195688fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4763821D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:28:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I notice that colored wax is a problem. So, match your candles to your tablecloth! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:47 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains Speaking of removing stains, I thought folks might find this useful. It covers food stains you might encounter during the holiday season. I know a number of us go to parties and events in costume. The Party's Over Stain Guide Here's what to do - at the fatal moment and the morning after. http://lifestyle.msn.com/homeandgarden/home/articlegh.aspx?cp-documentid=581 5504>1=10715 Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 04:42:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF9gl8r026209 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF9gJYw032515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF9fGgV083443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBF9fCrO020979; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBF9f9uO020816 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30257 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2007 09:41:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jygvxCbbyC8PVnurnM/Hke6vhLvRI+e4VAeGn25lhDoE70HrQdGNyjQlQFx7HrVpKQJIRUf4euiXpcMH10VJ6lT36waaFnnfVNJ9effcGCz1MfKQfowtL+aZTUjx7b5tfMBkjVaSM4vqLjmfUMmLozESX7JEV7dIH6bgcIDQIco=; X-YMail-OSG: aFeHS8sVM1m1FRNfTLox3Xp4vtVXYYwF5oVOKsvPmyEYmUWE8DZckZ184erfa75TpYlUiQZ3JrI1AkNI9AmCU7J7VYqGpo6Ak4M39aGBrO3OVvx4QTY- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:41:04 PST Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:41:04 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47635a44.2a99260a.4a5f.56e3@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <346746.28918.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2eee5fe-d45e-4773-b1eb-cab1d2aa1cde X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4763A17B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:42:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for all the help! I think I'll definitely go for the book about silks, it might also help me with giving a name to another fabric I don't know the name of. I know exactly the possible mm of the fabrics in China, and the shantung or dupioni (Chinese call it shuan-gong, which is probably shantung) has 19 to 22mm. But it's usually 19. I called it shantung till someone told me it's dupioni, and from then on I was unsure about the name. My sister'll arrive for Christmas, so we can talk things over and I'm sure we'll solve that mystery... The two fabrics I've got at home are both like a softer taffeta, one is a bit more uneven than the other and has less slubs, but they both weight the same. The more uneven one looks like this and the other like this. Could these two be douppioni? Then my sister once brought from China something looking similar to the second fabric (less slubs), but finer,thinner, more tightly woven, and not really ressembling taffeta, it was heavier and "flowier". This might have been the shantung...? Zuzana Chiara Francesca wrote: I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi but please realize that unlike European countries the US no longer has a silk mass producer that I know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty markets. Kimiko, correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better than I. All of our silk comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India stamped on the bolt ends. For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop here that we all hit and their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them. I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other country's stamp on it. In the end, Zuzana, look for the weight. Since you are not there with your sister in China ask her to look at the weights and to look at the surface. If you can get the book of swatches that Kimiko recommends do it and send it to her asap or see if she can get one where she is at. If you have the fabric you want already, send her that swatch so that she can compare it. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin >even weave with the same or similar warp and weft >threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft >filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a >pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they >use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin >dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft. > >Some places consider them the same fabric type, but >they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby >taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness. >Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but >not really similar to dupioni except for the >occasional slub roughness. > >Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while >working with them. This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They do both ravel like mad though. Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons. Suzi >Kimiko > > >--- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > Thanks very much!! > > > > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and > > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much > > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the > > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the > > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Kathleen ---- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:26 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains >I notice that colored wax is a problem. So, match your candles to your > tablecloth! > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:47 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains > > Speaking of removing stains, I thought folks might find this useful. It > covers food stains you might encounter during the holiday season. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:19:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A stout wooden dowel on a wood platform frame works for me. Sometimes I can use the stop-slide from the original stand. I have also contemplated re-cycling weighted lamp bases. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galadriel" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of Uniquely You.... > Has anyone found a way to rig or replace the stands so > they're not so wimpy and wobbly? > > --Rachel > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <378048.42014.qm@web37911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <839643.17329.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dabdbfe-47c0-4bcd-869b-0c76ee413c26 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 476426B4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:10:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have replaced the bases of my forms with clearence iron patio umbrella stands, they usually have an adjustment screw built in and nothing can tip them over. You may have to cut a short closet rod dowel about 1 1/2 /2" wide drill out a hole to fit the original metal rod of the form,and slide in. I can't see my UU at the moment, my sewing room has become the "xmas gift hiding place" and my brain is too fried to remember what the stand looks liker ight now. )thoses iron pato sands are really usuful, when my lazy husband did not replace the pole mounted mail box into the front lawn position, and the mailperson got tired of putting the mail in a laying on the ground mailbox, i whipped out the old patio umbrella stand and mounted the mail box in it.) Melody Galadriel wrote: Has anyone found a way to rig or replace the stands so they're not so wimpy and wobbly? --Rachel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 14:24:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFJOb7G002781 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:24:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBFJO7wV029475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:24:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBFJNgox096907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFJNftN016803; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:23:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBFJNcu5016624 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25760 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2007 19:23:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iQ2qdZuIe0sWkNToYC9GJ/J7Q9F5BA/Tup7q6oXlCD5PAXgN7gmPROWlHu36g+YUBK1t1xSoL+WBTykyPaRJvkZNQ3IatiLo6EN2o6dRKS94sGDokAqHr8dhXEVlelgRDf+rDd75OYtKIUZ1N0vmFiUbJ4qiN7Hol2FwPvmoRdY=; X-YMail-OSG: I4XIzNkVM1lhfOSSw9ZXlCQzyt5pXb5SLCMtf97krSyoS08lFafiTGHnnW1pengPm.t7WKAFibGCrPD7nDfsyDh5Av._3tU0AsytssrIqAnNHvVSN8SOuiL3dgFltw-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:23:33 PST Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung. .......memories of stinky silk To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <144697.53595.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <380099.25306.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43452c0e-0328-4e03-9b7f-2a814a6d2c00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 476429D7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:24:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ahh stinky silks....brings back lovely memories of wearing a beautiful silk fiber sweater to jr high, having it rain, then suffering the rest of the day with gaggles of 14 yr olds commenting on the terrible fishy smell in the room. melody Kimiko Small wrote: I think our dupioni has more sizing or something, cause when I buy it is hangs pretty stiffly similar to taffeta (but definitely not the same), but when washed and pressed it goes limp like nothing. And taffeta has a nasty chemical smell when washed, and the wrinkles in taffeta never goes away (yeah, I washed it once) even with lots of high steam, but becomes fairly crisp upon drying. I prefer shantung over dupioni, but dupioni is so much easier to find in lots of colors, including metallics. Shantung does seem to be a nicer, finer silk to work with. I also like taffeta, but not so happy with how to work with it. I like working with washed silks that don't stink. Kimiko --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I > have always > understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In > England, most dupion > is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be > floppy. Shantung > is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a > finer dupion. They > do both ravel like mad though. > > Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. > comparisons. > > Suzi ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 15:23:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFKNODJ005012 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:23:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBFKMulw000968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:22:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBFKM0UL009305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFKLvPY081534; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBFKLs0d081386 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57990 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2007 20:21:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XwJ0xaIxYqd1NVGZJtK8XCTXfLfR7otrjxGjkNbC8pTbHMXC36cQTxQg8bNKzlwLPeEOwrcUdm0OxocZXlM08mka6EdMkAo9Gqo13sgqeEi4ikjpq21ZHxXstbwDx/jh1IKMeMMHTWBcIyv6GTCgIEKEL8ux6hv9r12sCrKkVmc=; X-YMail-OSG: 9lDuSwEVM1n.AtRhpDTjXapEGEJILAls8R4e_Tx61qCWqFNgrvK_K67s6mWQEmYjlikmVjuLeOiB25FB_BJjLNnqkYaif91ZWLpLBCukTTVJ1NHAV2mErujaLa9iRQ-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:21:48 PST Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <729839.35229.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <843607.57746.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f9be259-2ac8-466d-bfbc-ed4c7f82ddfa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476437A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:23:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > Could these two be douppioni? > Yes. Both could be dupioni. What the All About Silks book will tell you is that every manufacturer calls what they make by different names, and that those names may not have anything to do with what the next manufacturer will call it's fabrics. In general, they try to call them by similar names, but fashion being fashion, they will call some things by other names, and confuse us poor consumers in the process. I would worry less about what "they" might call a given fabric, and chose based on the desired fabric qualities you want, and whatever you and your sister agree on, and what is available that is similar. That's why I like the book, because it not only tells you the common term, it will also give you what a particular fabric type is good for in creating a garment... fitted vs semi-fitted vs loosely constructed, for one example. How well a given fabric drapes, or doesn't, how crisp the hand or how fluid. The swatches really help as well, so you can compare their "dupioni" with the "dupioni" or "shantung" your sister sends you, and have a better idea of what it really is so you can plan your projects accordingly. And the series also has a book on cotton fabrics, and a book on wool fabrics. I wish they had one on linens, but not that I know of. Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 18:52:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFNqt61012774 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:52:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBFNqRkD008330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBFNpNLq056724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:51:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFNpKE0017438; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBFNpGCd017339 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W43 ([65.55.136.78]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:51:11 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.253.166.10] From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:51:11 -0600 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2007 23:51:11.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F0A6760:01C83F75] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05fba333-7dde-47b9-82b5-e846c086d3a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 476468BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling attention to (you might have to cut-and-paste the URL if it breaks): http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195 Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on saint symbolism! --Robin _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 22:59:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG3xObY023000 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:59:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBG3wuVu030665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBG3vouG000259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG3vmqZ026481; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG3vivs026424 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB80C3807D for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:59:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:59:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <000701c83f8f$18991d20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> In-Reply-To: <000701c83f8f$18991d20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712152259.19542.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 124deded-097e-465a-80b9-6bfa50a00843 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4764A280.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:59:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 15 December 2007, Brangwyne wrote: > *giggle* > > _________________________ > > Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend. > I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling > attention to (you might have to cut-and-paste the URL if it breaks): > > http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item= >0195 > > Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on > saint symbolism! That's a riot! I liked it (though it's probably just a wee bit OT). -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 23:14:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG4EokM023522 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:14:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBG4EMcc020215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:14:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBG4CIqD003002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG4CH4n039135; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG4CE0c039044 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W23 ([65.55.136.58]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:12:08 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.253.166.10] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:12:08 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200712152259.19542.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <000701c83f8f$18991d20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> <200712152259.19542.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2007 04:12:08.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[D34BB740:01C83F99] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b211bf7-5b89-4e56-beb7-b6e920ecd2ee X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4764A61E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:14:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > That's a riot! I liked it (though it's probably just a wee bit OT). A wee bit, maybe, but in fact I use St. Sebastian as an example in my lectu= re on "using images of saints for costume sources." He's usually just weari= ng a loincloth, which isn't much help, but some late medieval painters put = him in braies or even hose, with good detail of the bits you usually can't = see on someone fully dressed. Even better, a few 15th c. Flemish paintings = show his extremely fashionable upperclass garments scattered on the ground = beside him, giving you views from angles you never get to see in wear, and = with seams and linings evident. =20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 15 23:34:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG4YQN3024229 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:34:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBG4XwO9004822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:34:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBG4XVKs005129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG4XRpY055622; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:33:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.adelphia.net (mta6.adelphia.net [68.168.78.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG4XP7u055388 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:33:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071212220715.UIIA23096.mta10.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:07:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e74464b-54f0-405b-9b3c-0b9f1ed65b74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4764AAB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:34:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear All, I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself? Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 00:53:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG5rAcM026892 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:53:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBG5qhPN004627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:52:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBG5oGWk049700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG5oDH6047083; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG5oB5C046783 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.140.242] (helo=gold.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1J3mO5-0007UQ-Hx for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:50:05 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:50:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Frau Anna Bleucher Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6A952C0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: f624f35fe26fb6dbfe687ec8711461339ef193a6bfc3dd48293dce79d7380110dcbb93b9c7112c41bd9aa8b00e01cd47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.140.242 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db6cfadb-7830-4776-b17c-f1ca5dd80648 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4764BD2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:52:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Marjorie, I use hair sticks rather than hair pins. My hair is very long and very thick, so regular bobby pins I can get at the local stores are totally useless. I prefer the sturdy metal and wood to the plastic. I also prefer the two-prong sticks to the singles. You can get short and plain ones that barely show at all, too. Connie Wyvern Productions Painting masterpieces in thread. http://www.wyvernproductions.com Das Nachtjager Fahnlein http://www.wyvernproductions.com/landsknecht/ "Things turn out best for those that make the best of the way things turn out." - Art Linkletter At 05:07 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >Dear All, > >I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up >in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon >after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to >remove the pins, and not the hair itself? > >Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... > >Marjorie > >Marjorie Gilbert >author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England >www.marjoriegilbert.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 02:22:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG7Mu2q029830 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:22:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBG7MSvC024490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBG7LIVQ061788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG7LF0D004427; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBG7LB4q004344 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 60702 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2007 07:21:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3q65RkDkhL0gtBxQAEzbqYXF7DFZn9bI6Tv7BH/ITSr77G6mYoB7/+fYAD2g2udAYn4W9knVcY8ej5w32XYk38o1/DZWqH4OITPLx9aLZAnhxL3qO8CEoR33ceGacB93eT+969IlVSHAlLL4gvnZ30AUhNVPmRaAv2XHEfeES3A=; X-YMail-OSG: sXs59IQVM1lAVwV5XKwQt87CH_TgMNjInag9a53jMhEZv_7Dgz1cRt4xK2GS8PpvL.7qKFGdBgzhuS8eps0WyuEsMPolUwD5.0O_KJIhb3721pmHWRg- Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:21:06 PST Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <426455.58678.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d024f0eb-ecb5-41a9-bdab-99650c28d3e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4764D234.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:22:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I find the best way to keep my hair anchored in the bun or twist is to use either a foam mousse or hairspray before putting it up. Otherwise, it just slides right out no matter how many pins I use. Generally I find the best method for dry hair is to bend over and hang my head down, comb the hair from the nape and lightly spray all through. Then gather it up, twisting as I go, coil it around and pin down. I use the mousse when I have just washed my hair and it is still slightly wet. My hair is currently slightly below waist length. I don't know how this would work on shorter hair, mine has never been shorter than shoulderblade length and was once almost knee length. --- Gilbert wrote: > Dear All, > > I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I > pinned my hair up in a bun, > only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins > soon after arrival. Do any > of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping > ones hair in a bun until > the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and > not the hair itself? > > Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in > Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 02:28:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG7S2LP029940 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:28:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBG7RTkn010177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:27:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBG7PcBH062053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG7PcFe006936; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBG7PYLJ006879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lBG7PXEO018296 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:25:34 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:32:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed06aa48-d1cd-4eec-ba91-81c411b86e87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4764D361.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:27:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sadly for me my hair is slowly becoming less thick and every time I get it "evened up" it gets a bit shorter as well. I have had good luck back in the days of thick, long hair, with taking 3 long "bobby-pin" tightly squeezed not the loose U shape and put them as equidistant around the bun as I could. I used to have short sections come loose and end up in my mouth and face, but then I learned the trick of "french rolling (part your hair in the center, and comb it smoothly to each side. Start at the part line on one side and take a little hair and twist it, then move the roll down and gather in some more hair and twist that in. Keep going until you have reached the area you want the bun to start and put in a big bobby pin to hold it while you do the other side the same way. Gather the two twists together and wind them around and make your bun.) Once you have the short hairs rolled into the longer ones, they tend not to fly around loosely. I've even done this with braids and had it hold throughout the night and next day. If the side rolls don't look nice and even run a comb through them gently that will smooth everything out. If they aren't "fluffy" enough take the sides and tug gently. It can take some practice, but your hair will generally stay put. The only person I've had a problem with was a dancer who had incredibly thick hair (she stopped having headaches when she cut it to mid back. The weight of her hair was actually causing her to flip it and using neck and spine in ways that weren't good for them. I should mention that I rinse my hair about every three to five days (100 strokes with a hog bristle brush that is washed every week with baby shampoo) with as hot water as I can stand and then folded into a towel and allowed to dry completely before I start with the big cedar comb my nephew brought me from China. I may not have the Breck Girl shining hair, but it isn't oily, and it does stay in styles far longer than it did when I washed it with shampoo and conditioner frequently. For the record the lack of Shampoo and Conditioner are not the reason for the hair loss. Ya gotta be tough to get old (er) Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Frau Anna Bleucher > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:50 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > > > Marjorie, > > I use hair sticks rather than hair pins. My hair is very long and > very thick, so regular bobby pins I can get at the local stores are > totally useless. I prefer the sturdy metal and wood to the plastic. I > also prefer the two-prong sticks to the singles. You can get short > and plain ones that barely show at all, too. > > Connie > > Wyvern Productions > Painting masterpieces in thread. > http://www.wyvernproductions.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 09:48:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGEm6UJ021296 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:48:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGElaCu007614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:47:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGEk8Nu017317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGEjsnK046006; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-66.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGEjUVf045274 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:45:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A13111CC2 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:45:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47653A20.5050008@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:45:52 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63d1a91c-eae4-49a5-bbbe-9152f2d26f1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47653A88.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:47:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gilbert wrote: > Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones > hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and > not the hair itself? > Start with 'day-old' hair, not freshly washed. It won't be so dry and difficult to keep in place. Styling products don't do much for me, other than make my hair feel gunky, but we all have different kinds of hair. When my hair was waist length, I usually started with a ponytail. That kept the mass of hair in place, and I could wrap the tail more easily. If it started to come out, I could re-wrap it quickly starting with the ponytail again. Try different kinds of pins. I was using standard 2" bobby pins, until I discovered some super large 3" ones that work better. I can lose a 2" bobby pin in the back of my head, my hair is so thick. If your hair is different lengths you'll need a lot more pins to hold all the shorter wisps on the side of your head. I tend to keep my hair all one length to make it easier to put up. Don't be afraid to use a lot of pins, that's why they come in packs of 100. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 10:00:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGF0DFo021600 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:00:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGExj9e018085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:59:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGEwEbU018630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGEwDwk060350; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGEwAjm060234 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071216145804.DGVB14939.mta10.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <426455.58678.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <426455.58678.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:57:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7cf012f-5f10-41bd-bbc0-59b5a68412e2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47653D61.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:59:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wow, this sounds like a good idea also. I think I am going to have to spend some time futzing with my hair.... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun >I find the best way to keep my hair anchored in the > bun or twist is to use either a foam mousse or > hairspray before putting it up. Otherwise, it just > slides right out no matter how many pins I use. > > Generally I find the best method for dry hair is to > bend over and hang my head down, comb the hair from > the nape and lightly spray all through. Then gather it > up, twisting as I go, coil it around and pin down. I > use the mousse when I have just washed my hair and it > is still slightly wet. > > My hair is currently slightly below waist length. I > don't know how this would work on shorter hair, mine > has never been shorter than shoulderblade length and > was once almost knee length. > > --- Gilbert wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I >> pinned my hair up in a bun, >> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins >> soon after arrival. Do any >> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping >> ones hair in a bun until >> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and >> not the hair itself? >> >> Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... >> >> Marjorie >> >> Marjorie Gilbert >> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in >> Georgian England >> www.marjoriegilbert.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat > folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 10:38:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGFcMH6022455 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:38:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGFbo3U027446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:37:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGFbOSl025136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGFbNI5099287; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGFbJuq099095 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:38:59 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C83FF9.C680FDE7" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:38:51 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Thread-Index: Acg/nSYIOPr6xDs+Qfy8NQ9K7OTN+gAXJwLc References: From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2007 15:38:59.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[C69D8E00:01C83FF9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df0c8d6a-4640-4e8c-ad62-9c60aa636c99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4765464E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:37:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C83FF9.C680FDE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more slippery = if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want? =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Gilbert Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 5:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Dear All, I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a = bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do = any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun = until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair = itself? Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C83FF9.C680FDE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C83FF9.C680FDE7-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 11:22:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGGMcQM023374 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:22:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGGMAIJ028887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:22:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGGJmnA032477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:19:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGGJj8K039315; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGGJgLf039199 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071216155100.SNMO24129.mta9.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:50:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5141d7e-23ea-4de7-a7f3-dd8e3af4cf23 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 476550B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:22:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the trick--or all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used at once... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more slippery if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want? Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Gilbert Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 5:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Dear All, I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself? Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 11:32:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGGWH0X023670 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:32:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGGVim6002503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:31:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGGVEZt035134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGGVCK7051678; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGGUm9d051152 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=CWnZrACMOFHkHrvNEMNypt2ydqErnnHe8JfXzE24FNcxzPxnjtuVXZ2ctxRW2EoA; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.182] (helo=[4.245.146.182]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J3wO2-0004p9-7N for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:30:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4477AD7B-99BD-4895-80D5-E134F8DE3B29@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:33:26 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a48db51f2d89fae9333e84d6b37b617e9e2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.182 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3bb8f902-1c7d-435e-b3ce-d28bd926aa20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 476552F0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Depending on the length and thickness of your hair, you might also try braiding it before twisting it into a bun. I do this frequently. I also use hair sticks to hold the bun, but hairpins, like the sticks, would be more secure in braided hair because the braid keeps them from moving laterally. Looks pretty too--rich and complicated, if that look works with the overall impression you want. I get a lot of unsolicited compliments. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Gilbert wrote: > I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the > trick--or all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used > at once... > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > > > Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more > slippery if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want? > > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Gilbert > Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 5:07 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > > > > Dear All, > > I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up > in a bun, > only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after > arrival. Do any > of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a > bun until > the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair > itself? > > Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 12:19:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGHJUfZ024965 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:19:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGHJ23c004581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:19:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGHITxN042787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGHIRqF000938; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:18:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBGHINnB000794 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:18:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84958 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2007 17:18:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pnKVIOK5Z8AOkAWnBi9DeaIoCQlxdO6QqipEihKDnEVZRP7cQEJXL1KNfGeRjzEaGyjnTqKpIzvMOUpTeFQWFMuub8uSXXnjJ09jmPYj/i8jf/W+dfsPkHs0SQ2ZEHILP3FmJD1NFxMy8aXzhbS+sh2K5yTcAVwjzjkgP23hVxQ=; X-YMail-OSG: iKmJ57UVM1nj6u93xm87n2Lv_sPMVa5oeFWNQf_ZfwX_MFrbso_v_gmmmlh7j2UOmw5YlvdF72hpBSXmS1CY9pF3p1NaGrDcI4yLupOxmOo4KUZTALYruzaiZ1CVEg-- Received: from [64.148.18.57] by web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:18:18 PST Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200712152259.19542.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <318066.84485.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcf888d7-3620-4745-86f9-0f97ead9deea X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47655E06.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 14:42:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGJgKWc028668 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGJflbh027185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:41:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGJeZhP066184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGJeT7W050892; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGJe6Ia050421 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chamla@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY127-W31 ([65.55.132.66]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:40:00 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.111.37.98] From: Laura Chambers To: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:40:00 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2007 19:40:00.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[725F6C10:01C8401B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38660bc0-7dab-444c-af7a-4b2278432c0d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47657F7B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Download today it's FREE!> http://messenger.msn.click-ur= l.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/_________________________________________= ______> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra= .com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 17:02:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGM2a27031954 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:02:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGM27MQ031051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:02:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGM1R6H084115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGM1PRv085476; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:01:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGM1LUu085437 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from vms246.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.2]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JT500GH4X7H94S4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:02:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from 70.110.156.145 ([70.110.156.145]) by vms246.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:01:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:01:17 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun X-Originating-IP: [70.110.156.145] To: Historical Costume Message-id: <32086303.1032431197842477475.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 206b98ea-d69d-4db9-a5f2-99dafc3c09fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4765A05F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:02:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in a bun I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success. The rubber band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure. I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair. --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 17:05:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGM5AQZ031995 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:05:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGM4gaL031858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGM4OIe084429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGM4Nv5088191; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBGM3vNn087822 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:04:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200712162204.lBGM3vNn087822@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 9353 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2007 14:03:56 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9140, pid: 9329, t: 8.7125s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2007 14:03:48 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:01:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55b215ba-b0d4-41e5-85e1-d53696dc08b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4765A0FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:04:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 01:11 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >Not my period, but I don't think it's Regency. Anyway, this is what >I have marked for Bjarne's website: > >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >HTH, >Laurie> From: chamla@hotmail.com> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com> >Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:40:00 -0800> Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne's >Website> > > I am new to the list and am in the process of planning >a regency wedding. Luann was telling me I needed to see some of >Bjarne's work but I have been unable to find links in the archives >or a website. Could someone please point me in the correct >direction.> Thanks,> LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will >continue to repeat it over and over and over... Bjarne works primarily in later 18th century styles. Very beautiful and well worth looking at, but much earlier than "Regency". Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 17:19:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGMJ7kw032325 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:19:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBGMIdnd003712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBGMHeFx086370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGMHdE7099797; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGMHYvE099685 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:19:10 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thread-Index: AchAMa57ejmvLVzvT4mSpGwwBZBsuw== From: "Rickard, Patty " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2007 22:19:10.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEB1C440:01C84031] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e667b29d-cac8-4376-a0cb-dded5f54f656 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4765A43F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb = was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or = stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most = not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run = around naked? (not a pretty thought). =20 Thanks, Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 19:57:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0vk7B003158 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH0vFht008089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH0tu3M011952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0tqT4049367; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGEtoEB057842 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071216145545.HUBQ11718.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:55:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:55:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d78d346-9bee-4157-bda2-8407e3ebabb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4765C96B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you for the advice. Now that my hair is getting longer, I will definitely have to learn techniques such as these. I like the idea of French rolls. Sounds like they'd look rather nice and period as well (aiming for a Georgian, 1800's look). FYI, some shampoo can aid in hair loss and scalp irritation http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sodium-lauryl-sulfate.html. Ugh, is nothing safe? Thank you again! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:32 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > Sadly for me my hair is slowly becoming less thick and every time I get it > "evened up" it gets a bit shorter as well. I have had good luck back in > the > days of thick, long hair, with taking 3 long "bobby-pin" tightly squeezed > not the loose U shape and put them as equidistant around the bun as I > could. > I used to have short sections come loose and end up in my mouth and face, > but then I learned the trick of "french rolling (part your hair in the > center, and comb it smoothly to each side. Start at the part line on one > side and take a little hair and twist it, then move the roll down and > gather > in some more hair and twist that in. Keep going until you have reached > the > area you want the bun to start and put in a big bobby pin to hold it while > you do the other side the same way. Gather the two twists together and > wind > them around and make your bun.) Once you have the short hairs rolled into > the longer ones, they tend not to fly around loosely. I've even done this > with braids and had it hold throughout the night and next day. If the > side > rolls don't look nice and even run a comb through them gently that will > smooth everything out. If they aren't "fluffy" enough take the sides and > tug gently. > > It can take some practice, but your hair will generally stay put. The > only > person I've had a problem with was a dancer who had incredibly thick hair > (she stopped having headaches when she cut it to mid back. The weight of > her hair was actually causing her to flip it and using neck and spine in > ways that weren't good for them. > > I should mention that I rinse my hair about every three to five days (100 > strokes with a hog bristle brush that is washed every week with baby > shampoo) with as hot water as I can stand and then folded into a towel and > allowed to dry completely before I start with the big cedar comb my nephew > brought me from China. I may not have the Breck Girl shining hair, but it > isn't oily, and it does stay in styles far longer than it did when I > washed > it with shampoo and conditioner frequently. > > For the record the lack of Shampoo and Conditioner are not the reason for > the hair loss. Ya gotta be tough to get old (er) > > Wanda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 19:58:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0wH9b003170 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:58:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH0vmjM021257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH0vXbS012304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0vWSd051188; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGIY7N8078587 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2C93807D for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:35:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <318066.84485.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <318066.84485.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712161335.44511.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c14821e-02e0-4008-ae3b-6e647347032e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4765C98D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 16 December 2007, Ann Catelli wrote: > --- Catherine Olanich Raymond > > wrote: > > That's a riot! I liked it (though it's probably > > just a wee bit OT). > > Cathy Raymond > > You mean "no costume is no costume"? No, I mean as in "it's a humorous pincushion about an obscure saint, not a costume!" -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 19:59:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0xXVv003196 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:59:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH0x5cc029278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:59:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH0wJ6H012661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0wIDP052250; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:58:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGKjsQc018870 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071216204552.ZTDR3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:45:52 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.48]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071216204552.CCVU21281.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:45:52 +0100 Message-ID: <20071216204552.CCVU21281.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071216194354.SAAK21070.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:45:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.48] at Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:45:52 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000601c84024$a5813d90$3043a150@your4dacd0ea75> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 372f5d17-c1aa-4839-adda-315220a743cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4765C9D9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:59:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, That is my website, its here: www.my-drewscostumes.dk Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Chambers" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regency wedding. Luann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but I have been unable to find links in the archives or a website. Could someone please point me in the correct direction. Thanks, LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over and over and over... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 20:02:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH12iBc003249 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:02:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH129Ej020657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:02:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH0ulso012102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0ukOJ050340; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBGFcoZ8001080 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:38:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78435 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2007 15:38:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cAnr6Q75hVjUz68De9ubEsKtXMezFpKDKvFeAG7jW8OG6qZFhJ51o7jYT8RVaRTDtkkZ0ML6z93Fr2JKtC4kHx+MqnBJR9sOxlq1Q6Zj0H4julZYgN70EF8GHaoGwp50LukW3sRAko2tTt1hv+eYolhcK4XSqaj8OaPVzY1XSPc=; X-YMail-OSG: 8kb1z2wVM1kseNUmGT7fgo2MVmhCuM0oFhKpvLMAqeBODKEpIiFXtGEOyZXodefOMxitH3vi.yEmk.2aCJMOiB31m1gHw8DWN7Wf3illhcK8U2ewfxQ- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:38:44 PST Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47653A20.5050008@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <887221.78404.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c83fe05d-b45a-4113-ad23-ed1f3ad561bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4765CA91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The best trick i have is to section your hair. first make a part in the hair from ear to ear, and take the back hair and make a bun. the front hair you divide in 2 at where you want a part, then take each section and wind it around the bun and pin well. It holds for me, and I got super smooth hair, which easily glide out of bunns Tania Dawn wrote: Gilbert wrote: > Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones > hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and > not the hair itself? > Start with 'day-old' hair, not freshly washed. It won't be so dry and difficult to keep in place. Styling products don't do much for me, other than make my hair feel gunky, but we all have different kinds of hair. When my hair was waist length, I usually started with a ponytail. That kept the mass of hair in place, and I could wrap the tail more easily. If it started to come out, I could re-wrap it quickly starting with the ponytail again. Try different kinds of pins. I was using standard 2" bobby pins, until I discovered some super large 3" ones that work better. I can lose a 2" bobby pin in the back of my head, my hair is so thick. If your hair is different lengths you'll need a lot more pins to hold all the shorter wisps on the side of your head. I tend to keep my hair all one length to make it easier to put up. Don't be afraid to use a lot of pins, that's why they come in packs of 100. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 20:02:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH12tCG003256 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:02:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH12R9l010092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:02:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH0vCrm012238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH0vCqV050843; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBGHpC0j034519 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071216175106.NNSQ11718.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: <0EBA59C1106F42749854EDCF1BEB4921@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv><99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> <4477AD7B-99BD-4895-80D5-E134F8DE3B29@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <4477AD7B-99BD-4895-80D5-E134F8DE3B29@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:50:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 06e0098e-00cf-45c9-a256-585379d4fc43 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4765CAA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:02:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cool! I'll have to try that also... Thanks! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > Depending on the length and thickness of your hair, you might also > try braiding it before twisting it into a bun. I do this frequently. > I also use hair sticks to hold the bun, but hairpins, like the > sticks, would be more secure in braided hair because the braid keeps > them from moving laterally. Looks pretty too--rich and complicated, > if that look works with the overall impression you want. I get a lot > of unsolicited compliments. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Gilbert wrote: > >> I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the >> trick--or all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used >> at once... >> >> Marjorie >> >> Marjorie Gilbert >> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England >> www.marjoriegilbert.net >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM >> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun >> >> >> Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more >> slippery if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want? >> >> Patty >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Gilbert >> Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 5:07 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up >> in a bun, >> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after >> arrival. Do any >> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a >> bun until >> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair >> itself? >> >> Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... >> >> Marjorie >> >> Marjorie Gilbert >> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England >> www.marjoriegilbert.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 16 21:17:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH2HEOW004877 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:17:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH2Gl9V004258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH2FeVH039075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH2FaUW026772; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH2FV8m026610 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071217021525.EXPF11718.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3F24465D92244280AF73ABD0B3E7009C@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <887221.78404.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <887221.78404.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efc1e523-b98e-42a6-98b4-798752e4a517 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4765DC0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:16:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You know I think I saw something similar on a site which described Regency hair styles. Your explanation of how the style is achieved is far easier to understand. Thank you! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > The best trick i have is to section your hair. first make a part in the > hair from ear to ear, and take the back hair and make a bun. the front > hair you divide in 2 at where you want a part, then take each section and > wind it around the bun and pin well. It holds for me, and I got super > smooth hair, which easily glide out of bunns > > Tania > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 00:53:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH5rXwN008779 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:53:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH5r5Jv010979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:53:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH5pxNu062424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH5punX078962; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH5psDC078936 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so6265378pyi.0 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:51:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=hpDeWqMDbPzT88Aup6WgmxauX8S/cfAn3LAt3gcGuYE=; b=wdGcz4ayU9iD0pBDR9Rf1ZFJU5zouXTVkuTOY35lJtDPrRQLoKhdjbBwoJCjnBAtfcFTw4r1ufkeqEsKX38s+oQUeR0oClV7wgPchv8IBL6G0fxYiIjEIBH4juB7g1wYGO0XknEk06IeMT/WaLnsnPCgUvUw9do/x1E8z3iVums= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=OwIU5ig0qFLpKJfOuw9rseIjV6MjlkK1h5H1nChqTUyfmH0+BjPQqziWB24ZW5QYphT+YNAdsbnpdHjAP3/bThEjJ1uH9Z5yB2C+0NmT2VWwF+q8Nl8cvhvylWWYvn5Gbmg6Sho8S9Q9ub9nNjm8W5BtHkMoSFuEDpBJwWD+OSY= Received: by 10.65.81.10 with SMTP id i10mr13856103qbl.75.1197870705723; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm688519qbe.2007.12.16.21.51.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:51:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:52:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e01e5529-cbd9-47da-929b-852c94068d07 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47660EC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:53:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first, then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might not get out, but it's worth a try). As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also. The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very dark colour. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run around naked? (not a pretty thought). Thanks, Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 00:58:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH5wZXU008857 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:58:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH5w71T023795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:58:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH5vpje062939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH5vo0o082806; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH5vkYG082709 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d2c.1a3b6cb2 (34941) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA052-887d47660fd0166; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:57:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> Message-Id: <9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:57:33 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c27f8f06-0fc1-40fd-9a38-ea05b50acee2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47660FEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:58:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer. It is a piece of cloth=20 found in the food store with the detergents. It works great. It works=20 by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't=20 deposit onto the other fabrics. Best of luck. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,=20 > then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep=20 > the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun=20 > helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a=20 > snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew,=20 > be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you=20 > breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been=20 > bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when=20 > you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you=20 > want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and=20 > silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might=20 > not get out, but it's worth a try). > > As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers=20 > (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles=20 > but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also. > > The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding=20 > might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very=20 > dark colour. > > Good luck! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye > > > Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb=20 > was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or=20 > stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most=20 > not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run=20 > around naked? (not a pretty thought). > > Thanks, > Patty > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 01:21:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH6LnmG009276 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:21:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH6L9dG011301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH6KIPp065636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:20:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH6KIxl097189; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:20:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.48.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH6KFe0097163 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:20:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CFBEF38AB0 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:20:14 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:22:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c25f0ce2-0602-4954-bb88-345cdb70c5ac X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47661555.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:21:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne's site isn't Regency. This is Regency, http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/reg3.html Are you meaning 18th century? -----Original Message----- I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regency wedding. Luann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but I have been unable to find links in the archives or a website. Could someone please point me in the correct direction. Thanks, LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over and over and over... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 02:03:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH73kql011049 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:03:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH73ICW017953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH71pnS073615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH71nRo027008; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH71jNi026941 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE8828FF0324; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:00:24 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:01:42 -0800 Message-ID: <011d01c8407a$ae28db00$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg//3MUwJApFRiqRpqlfFitTMGiPQAesVug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2d5d870-2273-4e25-9d42-4817a3215e9c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47661F36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:03:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How long is your hair? Mine is just shy of shoulder length, so my bun is tiny. I usually do a french twist instead and hold in place with plastic hair pins--look like a 3" long "U". I get them from the Vermont Country Store catalog. Then spray with hair spray to keep flyaway bits stuck down. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the trick--or all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used at once... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more slippery if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want? Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Gilbert Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 5:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Dear All, I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself? Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 02:15:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH7F7bm016605 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:15:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH7EdYW007482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:14:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH7EMIU080313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH7EJDC039916; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH7EEJ3039754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lBH7EDX2006666; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:14:14 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "SCA-GARB" , "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:21:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Book! Sorry for the Overlap! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ca644f3-6142-4ed0-984a-5c396bfb8368 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 476621DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:14:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm sorry for the overlap between SCA Garb and H-Costume, but I just got a fabulous book from David Brown and really want people out there to be aware it's out. One of the first things besides a tunic an SCA member wants and needs is a pouch. Personally I have used everything from a Blue Velvet bottle holder (fine Whisky?) to a naalbinding bag made for me from wool she had spun herself. I have always drooled over the fancy type that has little bags sewing to a bit one, or something that folded over the belt. I probably don't have one because the standard "slap two pieces of fabric together, run a seam around and make a turning for a draw string" worked. Well, now I have no excuse for not having one of the spiffy type because a book showing how they were done is in my grubby paws. The book is "Purses in Pieces: Archeological finds of late medieval and 16th century leather purses, pouches, bags, and cases in the Netherlands" by Olaf Goubitz. There are far more than what is listed in the title in here! There are leather covers for books (the type tat protected the actual binding of the book. The type you see sometimes where there seems to be a loose layer of fabric around the book that the Virgin is sometimes reading. There is also a leather ink bottle and illustration of a penner and ink bottle (courtesy of a sheep rustler drawn by Bosche). Lots of illustrations that we don't usually see unless we have been looking at drawings from the Netherlands rather than just paintings. The author was the chief leather conservator of the Netherlands for many years. He also wrote the book: "Stepping Through Time" that I was turned onto by Marc Carlson, the Historian and SCA member who also specializes in leather shoes. I wish I could say it was cheap, but it's $35.00 for a relatively thin book. Never-the-less, it needs to be in the hands of someone near you if not in your own. For the Costume Nerds (Geeks have college training says my source of all wisdom :-> the illustrations are good ones and As a 25 year SCA researcher, they make it worth my while even if I don't produce a purse. I'm a lot more likely to make one of these than a turn-shoe, worse luck. Fascinating! Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey "Live your life so your children can tell their children That you not only stood for something wonderful, But that you acted upon it". Dan Zadra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 04:54:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH9saH6017925 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:54:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBH9s5lX021450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:54:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBH9qupP063280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH9qrR2007566; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBH9qpXr007531 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1843741ugd.17 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:52:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HOtnNMCPihPBT91/r8WLzqTCML50hz0Dd9KRJilqB5w=; b=BCencU0U49KF0Q8l1hN4YprorxSXmIMfMLG1qkHiHlHN2Ph9uAB20NNgR+cNCVfN5oeQTqfaMN2YPxetPIQmaJYvE8pcR1xSL7thNx//QpcEAP5Sqo/7TgimS9qtNVXRSVDCIoVK1OyvAoF6+Fznq5jvDueexEqFnCjQQsJKiY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i3rsk8o3AlYuoiX2xc9L2bJar+RFRUkbJ9gNbNbbnNksxCni4oakSnAIZE6L9AjaBTQMV/IIaivVmtHCvZvsccrVqwjJk/LyBVx7dCR4vt4xtAXPSR62mPn+pEgVgxXTgY7IJ6gDauPU/pKVhPmTKi2Km5FV8dluvzFi1nE/jOA= Received: by 10.67.106.19 with SMTP id i19mr3741482ugm.67.1197885170737; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.105.3 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:52:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0712170152o44fc0e97n496f7dbe68d8fcbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:52:50 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun In-Reply-To: <011d01c8407a$ae28db00$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A930@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <99E00B29FC6543A4ABD582F6AB44233D@Gilbert> <011d01c8407a$ae28db00$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82ee4e37-1ba0-4c2d-888e-37404675347f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4766473D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:54:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, > only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any > of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until > the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself? A lot of it comes down to getting the pins at a certain angle and it is so very difficult to try and explain rather than just do! I have extremely fine hair that has always been prone to being oily which is one issue and now tends to dry, which is another issue though makes it equally difficult to do other styles;) My hair is to my hips and a number of different lengths which also can help or hinder different styles. I tend to prefer to use a couple of chop-sticks but the trick is to start with the stick perpendicular to the top edge of the bun push it through bun and when it hits the scalp scoop some hair while turning the stick on a slight angle (say from right down to left) and then wiggle it to pick up hair either side of its path and then turn the end up to emerge out the other side of the bun. Then take the other do the same but try and anchor the first stick (pick up hair in front and behind the stick) and it's best to have it no more than 45% off angle of the first stick. It also helps to try and anchor hair and sticks and hair elastic. Same issue with pins. I take some hair from the top of the edge of the bun then scoop the pin forward and then under to pick up more hairs so there is a less tension on a wider area of scalp. You do need to experiment and experiment each time you do your hair because you will occasionally pick up a single hair in one spot which will hurt like heck! Also if you are using bobby pins get some really good salon quality ones! http://www.m-osaka.com/en/exhibitors/189/products.html These are used by professionals and I just got a 250gm container of them. Supper strong and with a long plastic tip that really will not come off. Their grip is very strong but they are cut very nicely so won't shred your hair. I was introduced to them as an extra on Xena et al. and spent ages trying to track them down. Luckily my mother is a hairdresser so she can get them at trade price:) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 06:10:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHBAibR029466 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:10:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBHBAHYW012147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:10:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBHB90uW083623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHB8wkK080088; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHB8sN9079994 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:10:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8409D.7287C2D7" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thread-Index: AchAchI3rB0FJed3R1eiw5sQnnVwRAAKyUTa References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv><01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> <9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2007 11:10:35.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[72BA1520:01C8409D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2957e43-ffb6-405a-846e-e122ae705ac1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47665919.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:10:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8409D.7287C2D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the = roads are cleared - snow/sleet storm here) =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 12:57 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer. It is a piece of cloth found in the food store with the detergents. It works great. It works by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit onto the other fabrics. Best of luck. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first, > then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep > the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun > helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a > snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, > be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you > breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been > bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when > you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you > want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and > silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might > not get out, but it's worth a try). > > As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers > (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles > but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also. > > The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding > might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very > dark colour. > > Good luck! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " = > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye > > > Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb > was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or > stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most > not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run > around naked? (not a pretty thought). > > Thanks, > Patty > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8409D.7287C2D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8409D.7287C2D7-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 10:22:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHFM8Zb010279 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:22:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBHFLepK018007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:21:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBHFKTpH027011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHFKNV3041190; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHFKJdN040926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBHFKDJL008069 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:20:13 -0500 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JT700EYV8ZGC800@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:14:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:20:10 -0500 From: Kate Pinner Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye In-reply-to: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <002801c840c0$5034b870$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AchAchI3rB0FJed3R1eiw5sQnnVwRAAKyUTaAAi83uA= References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> <9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5186 signatures=355929 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56ce7476-d4e7-4be8-b0ff-ea0ee7c3c6f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47669404.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:21:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And remember that in period they didn't have Oxyclean and Dye magnets so I'm betting that they had stains they couldn't get out. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the roads are cleared - snow/sleet storm here) Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 12:57 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer. It is a piece of cloth found in the food store with the detergents. It works great. It works by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit onto the other fabrics. Best of luck. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first, > then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep > the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun > helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a > snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, > be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you > breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been > bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when > you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you > want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and > silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might > not get out, but it's worth a try). > > As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers > (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles > but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also. > > The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding > might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very > dark colour. > > Good luck! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye > > > Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb > was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or > stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most > not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run > around naked? (not a pretty thought). > > Thanks, > Patty > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 11:44:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHGiBDO011751 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:44:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBHGhcra029003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:43:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBHGgYI8042360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHGgU4p054188; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHGgPWb053994 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:44:06 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:44:05 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ECE7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <002801c840c0$5034b870$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thread-Index: AchAchI3rB0FJed3R1eiw5sQnnVwRAAKyUTaAAi83uAAAvLjEA== References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv><01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey><9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <002801c840c0$5034b870$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2007 16:44:06.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A1E8EE0:01C840CC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60aab2c1-9f54-4a34-9455-8481c93007b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4766A73A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:43:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for that thought! :-) Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:20 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye And remember that in period they didn't have Oxyclean and Dye magnets so I'm betting that they had stains they couldn't get out.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty=20 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the roads are cleared - snow/sleet storm here) =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 12:57 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer. It is a piece of cloth found in the food store with the detergents. It works great. It works by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit onto the other fabrics. Best of luck. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,=20 > then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep=20 > the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun=20 > helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a=20 > snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, > be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you=20 > breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been=20 > bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when > you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you > want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and > silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might > not get out, but it's worth a try). > > As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers=20 > (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles=20 > but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also. > > The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding=20 > might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very=20 > dark colour. > > Good luck! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty "=20 > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye > > > Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb=20 > was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or=20 > stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most=20 > not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run=20 > around naked? (not a pretty thought). > > Thanks, > Patty > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 12:33:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHHXZKt013112 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:33:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBHHX2vQ032623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBHHRJTC050054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHHRGrV016369; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:27:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHHRC1K016193 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:29:00 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ED0F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ECE7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thread-Index: AchAchI3rB0FJed3R1eiw5sQnnVwRAAKyUTaAAi83uAAAvLjEAABhShw References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv><01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey><9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv><002801c840c0$5034b870$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ECE7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2007 17:29:00.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FAC2250:01C840D2] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f1d67a4-b8e5-474f-bd1a-a1103fea3bf2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4766B2CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:33:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The smell (mold/mildew) is actually the major problem. (I have a mold allergy) Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty=20 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:44 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thanks for that thought! :-) Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:20 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye And remember that in period they didn't have Oxyclean and Dye magnets so I'm betting that they had stains they couldn't get out.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty=20 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the roads are cleared - snow/sleet storm here) =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 12:57 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer. It is a piece of cloth found in the food store with the detergents. It works great. It works by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit onto the other fabrics. Best of luck. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,=20 > then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep=20 > the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun=20 > helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a=20 > snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, > be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you=20 > breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been=20 > bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when > you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you > want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and > silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might > not get out, but it's worth a try). > > As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers=20 > (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles=20 > but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also. > > The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding=20 > might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very=20 > dark colour. > > Good luck! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty "=20 > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye > > > Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb=20 > was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or=20 > stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most=20 > not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run=20 > around naked? (not a pretty thought). > > Thanks, > Patty > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 14:27:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHJRumo016320 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBHJRSpU003306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBHJQLIJ088783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHJQEvC000305; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHJQ5hB099887 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ru2M1Y00B0lTkoC0A09000; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:26:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RvRn1Y00F3kY7qX8Q00000; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:26:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4VSj_VLBrKIA:10 a=1GXxwm0-BSqmOmunumsA:9 a=frGkz-WNatslDB50TYvpCUbN4zEA:4 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 Message-ID: <4766CD2F.6090503@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:25:35 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv><01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey><9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv><002801c840c0$5034b870$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ECE7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ED0F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ED0F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c89afe88-dfed-4b6d-8a16-97b66debb379 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4766CDA0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:27:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Rickard, Patty wrote: > The smell (mold/mildew) is actually the major problem. (I have a mold > allergy) I'm going to second the sunlight treatment. Mold and mildew don't hold up well to ultraviolet. Between snow storms, hang it up where it will get a lot of sun and a lot of air. It should kill the fungus. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 14:42:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHJgHrY016626 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:42:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBHJfoGB030876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBHJfONm092254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHJfM6f022682; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBHJfHkY022485 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:43:00 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C840E5.07BDFECF" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A938@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A938@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Thread-Index: AchA4yJoiWma4936SbWl/loDzQewIgAAclP5 References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A932@lynx.campus.muc.prv><01e201c84070$fcca99b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey><9e11068e403a20737b2d4562581655a1@aol.com><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A933@lynx.campus.muc.prv><002801c840c0$5034b870$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ECE7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1ED0F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <4766CD2F.6090503@bovil.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2007 19:43:00.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[07D61C20:01C840E5] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bf4e2d5-f158-48d1-82c2-9e46929c9b7e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4766D0FE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C840E5.07BDFECF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Andy! (I'm in NE Ohio - the anti-sunlight capital of the world) Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Andrew Trembley Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 2:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye Rickard, Patty wrote: > The smell (mold/mildew) is actually the major problem. (I have a mold > allergy) I'm going to second the sunlight treatment. Mold and mildew don't hold up well to ultraviolet. Between snow storms, hang it up where it will get a lot of sun and a lot of air. It should kill the fungus. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C840E5.07BDFECF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C840E5.07BDFECF-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 17 19:19:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBI0JYGA024078 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:19:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBI0J6su004707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBI0Hshb063676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBI0HnTU009974; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBI0H7oj009163 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chamla@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY127-W6 ([65.55.132.41]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:17:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.111.37.98] From: Laura Chambers To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:17:02 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2007 00:17:02.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FF54960:01C8410B] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35ee5301-7b34-4cd0-9426-52cf09dd45bb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 476711FA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:19:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for Bjarne's site and the regency one. I am aware that Bjarne's work= is not regency. His work came up when discussing embroidery options for my= dress and was suggested as an example of exquisite reproduction embroidery= . LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over a= nd over and over...> From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Sub= ject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:22:37 -0600>= CC: > > Bjarne's site isn't Regency.> This is Regency,> http://locutus.ucr= .edu/~cathy/reg3.html> > Are you meaning 18th century?> > -----Original Mes= sage-----> > I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regen= cy wedding.> Luann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but= I have been> unable to find links in the archives or a website. Could some= one please> point me in the correct direction.> Thanks,> LauraIf we continu= e to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over> and over and over.= ..> > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing = list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-co= stume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 06:53:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIBqxBV028552 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:52:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBIBqUGm007781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:52:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBIBpIsF073369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIBpDsQ001662; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIBp7Zw001560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-221-215-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.221.215]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lBIBp4Yl012045 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:51:06 +1100 Message-ID: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:51:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5164/Tue Dec 18 20:56:45 2007 on mail9.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfe37d32-2994-41c3-9d5d-be475696045a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4767B47E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:52:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 12:00:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIH09qU007439 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:00:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBIGxaaF032732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBIGwSXM030771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIGwMWH066854; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:58:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIGwFKr066686 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 44BAD54EC4 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:58:14 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:00:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: fe450d3d-24f9-46bc-9f58-ab57da893de0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4767FC78.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:59:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3&IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -----Original Message----- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 12:02:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIH2xuX007564 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:02:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBIH2SBT011107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:02:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBIH1pEI031140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIH1P9l071087; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:01:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBIH0uSI070416 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:01:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200712181701.lBIH0uSI070416@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 8172 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 09:00:56 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 7018, pid: 8126, t: 11.8743s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 09:00:44 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:57:49 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidered velvet on sale at Fabric.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb016fc3-83e6-4659-997d-efc85ec744da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4767FD24.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 12:07:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIH7kDO007723 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:07:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBIH7Ikm005718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBIH6OOC031867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:06:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIH6NYr078317; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIH6I96078154 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id D97B44C2EE for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:42:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 699B04C4A2 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:42:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850C51800A5 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:06:17 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:06:16 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Thread-Index: AchBlzpHpFUhL//tR7+h6aYUKFEMnQAAG1mg References: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce3ffbfa-fdc6-4c04-b7ba-e30d625e4efb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4767FE46.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:07:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the 1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal coronation gown was gold. Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D3&IEN=3D1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D2&I=3D881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D2&I=3D170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D2&I=3D140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -----Original Message----- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 12:41:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIHfZ0A008667 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:41:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBIHf6Mo006642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBIHeLlG040198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIHeJnR027995; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:40:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.adelphia.net (mta20.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.254]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIGib7e045618 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071217021705.WOFN7470.mta13.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <32086303.1032431197842477475.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <32086303.1032431197842477475.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:16:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 8c1f6693-58cd-47b3-884f-40a20f9a9220 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47680632.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:41:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I did put my hair in a pony tail but obviously did not use enough pins. Not even enough for me to find my way out of the mall as they scattered on the floor behind me. I will have to look into the more massive hair pins you describe. Thank you! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > >Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in > >a bun > > I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun > pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too > much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap > your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success. The rubber > band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of > the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins > in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure. > > I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks > like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair. > --Kathy K. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 13:09:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBII9NQ6010285 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:09:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBII8s5Z022202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:08:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBII7dJu044444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBII7Siv064559; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBII7LJd064218 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=ciZm111temIuz5TsENeJpSg0NjWouKSGAKru1PHKQt9Mn1un8EjNxiixbXI8Lx2r; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J4gqZ-0002FQ-79 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:07:15 -0500 Received: from 64.202.84.85 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:07:14 -0500 Message-ID: <32455211.1198001235114.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:07:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4214f1accfd84d59567023d36487f6042350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b49963dc-2286-45fb-b9bf-827c44a0c8cf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47680CB6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:08:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The best answer, then, is to costume yourself as the White Queen from Lewis Carroll's THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, and celebrate the scattered hairpins and flying hair as costuming detail at its best! http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--12385785/sp--A/White_Queen_Alice_Adjusts_the_White_Queens_Shawl.htm -----Original Message----- >From: Gilbert >Sent: Dec 16, 2007 9:16 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > >I did put my hair in a pony tail but obviously did not use enough pins. Not >even enough for me to find my way out of the mall as they scattered on the >floor behind me. I will have to look into the more massive hair pins you >describe. Thank you! > >Marjorie > >Marjorie Gilbert >author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England >www.marjoriegilbert.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:01 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > > >> >Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in >> >a bun >> >> I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun >> pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too >> much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap >> your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success. The rubber >> band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of >> the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins >> in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure. >> >> I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks >> like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair. >> --Kathy K. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 14:10:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIJA0Y4012621 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:10:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBIJ9QXb025281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBIJ8Csk053019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBIJ85R9045928; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBIJ80J1045727 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 51916 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.155.250 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:07:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wWwlpA8VM1kNdj91mUpQX21EEouvCM1yvpN9tGmfTzYfWSkIN9U9RmUnEE8sTl9w0zqDUGl.wJd3bHBFf6kXHme89pDqtKW5TuCKoZ8gGShAzNNnvkUL Message-ID: <003201c841a9$512a1510$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:08:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ca71d8c-451a-42d7-b924-01168477e1e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47681AE6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:09:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My take on this is that it was taken from the V&A recent film and not from life. I do not believe that there are not many portrait pictures done of Victoria on canvas. Since she enters history at the beginning of the photographic method of capturing likenesses, most of what we know of her can be documented on film (or tintype, dagaeru. and etc. The comment made re the waistline setting is right-on. Most interpretations of mid 19th century clothing for women do not have the body proportion of bodice and skirt in line with the aesthetic of that period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the 1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal coronation gown was gold. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3&IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -----Original Message----- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 16:28:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBILSLR6016905 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBILRjgN025158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:27:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBILQO0e074644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBILQIqu029564; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:26:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBILQEU5029394 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:26:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20071218212608.ITXO14939.mta10.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <32455211.1198001235114.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <32455211.1198001235114.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:25:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb0f66b7-e497-4a16-845c-399bfe116ea9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47683B51.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > The best answer, then, is to costume yourself as the White Queen from > Lewis Carroll's THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, and celebrate the scattered > hairpins and flying hair as costuming detail at its best! > http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--12385785/sp--A/White_Queen_Alice_Adjusts_the_White_Queens_Shawl.htm > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 18 19:04:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJ04LSF025123 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:04:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJ03qTe026875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJ02cUL006986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJ02ZsG045710; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:02:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJ02Vv9045542 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3c.26e722ed (32914) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:02:20 EST Subject: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13b97a04-db70-40ae-8c49-9979a4714173 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47685FE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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To: "Historic Costume" Message-ID: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 02:49:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJ7nIg1030265 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:49:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJ7mnf6024396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJ7lcxj071877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJ7lXnW065909; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJ7lTLR065830 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AC332CCD0294; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:45:55 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> <003201c841a9$512a1510$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c84213$58d67280$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchBqVFXCq8Sw3n7QBSpIHRzUrBMggAacD1g In-Reply-To: <003201c841a9$512a1510$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fbf2191-4797-421a-a5eb-f07b018cc955 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4768CCE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:48:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there is a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? My take on this is that it was taken from the V&A recent film and not from life. I do not believe that there are not many portrait pictures done of Victoria on canvas. Since she enters history at the beginning of the photographic method of capturing likenesses, most of what we know of her can be documented on film (or tintype, dagaeru. and etc. The comment made re the waistline setting is right-on. Most interpretations of mid 19th century clothing for women do not have the body proportion of bodice and skirt in line with the aesthetic of that period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the 1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal coronation gown was gold. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. QV, age 24 close http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg Victorian dresses http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3&IEN=1805 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=881 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=170 http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=140 http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm -----Original Message----- I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a real Victorian image this might be based on? thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 07:53:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJCraXg010809 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:53:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJCr714006647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJCpqQV008005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJCpm5l027515; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJCpjld027462 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so8256560pyi.0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:51:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1Rpbm9sdfyqTuGGVZSLCUuMxucHGefM/MRtmeG1EJEs=; b=P/aAfWpO49+WVf/8MZ2bFfKVrLMNCbINYxDAKqBlElF1EOS7eaV/mAgVzWaKUG8suiAr+0kAlO7xi8lcCCeYi/aogPjKk5GEA53KCNOGXsBMwTjblbC0HjTbEArdw5RgxkHP/g7lg2zLlQI+evH7SJZ58MFek58Ny0OP0dXl6RM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gLo6yDJeWJ6zWvT4D5/TvwHQumwA6/mv6dB3tEZX+4BJaPJRArUPfPCAcPokw3HBGwkmft19UV7hIhncfESnEh+AY0gL3l96viIRsI8nmwTmxsvMgYBHEH2ihYZx08FfBKUzd/ChJAJHly89ZMQz4nt6FLiXEYOk31W2DQ43q/Y= Received: by 10.142.113.17 with SMTP id l17mr2920315wfc.188.1198068703574; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.1 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:51:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <228c7530712190451o1b480c13vcf32e42981260937@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:51:43 +1100 From: "B -_- M -_-" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c256e66-4da6-4a9c-b9d9-236103f160a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47691433.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all this support and all those hints. Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the hope it will match his suit well. But the wedding itself had to be postponed. Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry Christmas to everyone! Love B -_- M -_- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 14:23:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJJNRkP025487 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:23:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJJMvnP005202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:23:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJJLNj1066244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJJLCXF011842; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJJL6vS011597 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu [128.200.152.21]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBJJL0vT007177 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20071219112003.02949840@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:21:00 -0800 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Best wishes to B..M... 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Betsabea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 15:34:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJKYfA3028883 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:34:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJKY9RV026890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:34:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJKWvk0080562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJKWbGZ013718; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJJ5poT090667 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so8545101pyi.0 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:05:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=BqoIT+UqIKTGxV7fLb7RG/8m78xbEyHiTH64nAFLJIk=; b=KdumfJparjm3SQ8qMDVeLJio06Q+1Mgea2C0rKUIoRmhLft154Z0dTIg9jhPaY2Vt9I6JIwQ2MPzyMczcQoX4GlzMTfLAQfOEhJ7y3SNNow2duzM8dX5PA+REyx3enEELm0spXdi7r0r3LswCxDTR23Lv71dc5/iNSua1F2Bcvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JTf1OR7Scwb9RLO0JmSAV9AEsB5kkyWaBZ0OitkIirpZtuXlJQIY9BjgYE9QFvE/azQkfha6u4eKK+5aHV9MRzLU+28C7NVT8vxxBQ67o3FRoCsUAHmDqPxQbtnZ7Nk8JKGYz22VR6u5zO+uo85t+7sLPZQt1Y/RTgHD9XQp2E8= Received: by 10.140.207.3 with SMTP id e3mr6154422rvg.194.1198091149789; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.116.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:05:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:05:49 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 3a758ffd-becc-4c4c-9b60-6e79b2b7f098 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47698041.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My dear, please accept my prayers on your behalf and on your family's! May the holidays bring you joy and comfort, and as you are able, please keep us posted on how you are doing! Blessings, Meli ---------------- Hello, thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all this support and all those hints. Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the hope it will match his suit well. But the wedding itself had to be postponed. Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry Christmas to everyone! Love B -_- M -_- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 17:49:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJMn4fk000590 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:49:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJMmZra014594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJMl342000667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJMkvuA092320; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:46:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJMkpvi092137 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so831687ele.3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:46:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=q8+nkouZbgOi/eIHFpdKiwGbg2ZBIgwpUPZDfTtAF5M=; b=cAJ7nzxjMmSfZog1KiTVwvk8nts7jQ4C8YIOuG1Zz4Wq5cenkAXhWz33clJbTkF3rZ1++vv2+27+gvz3UXvNjI/2/blnC4ovWWhKGMfWHqqzpgcq+hWWNyCDIbBHFf2Li4hCDjo1vdi+9xWAx6QgfbUos5QhkdYbysE0lGsdcl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Z2iA9ZBu7oPqW4F2pWaZw1L33iwRI76V/h/UpXtVlR4l0bAjd/E74pgM/eYUKhD4b9DEledC3Op2CPHg3E9LbO1LdurBOdvXj0Cmri4DUH5F1u0+MnmrVBQn1QNeQOGnK5nCwHXFwTzIu+kc7VyNxrUOxenmDHubvlWtajHvlJM= Received: by 10.151.83.12 with SMTP id k12mr2043764ybl.7.1198104409944; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm13045280nzf.2007.12.19.14.46.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <110001c84291$43438a10$5200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135><003201c841a9$512a1510$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <002f01c84213$58d67280$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:48:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: time traveller (was Re: is this based on a real portrait?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e9bc002-a8f4-4ed0-ad6a-c0fb268a931b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47699FC3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" > In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there > is > a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated > 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book) Speaking of that book, if you'll turn to plate 11 and look at the 3rd guy from the left (the one with his hand to his chin) you will see the EXACT twin of a friend of mine from school who happens to be a genius physicist. Every time I look at that picture, I suspect him of having invented a time machine, and being rude enough to keep it from me. More topically, plate 8 from 1842 also bears a resemblance to the dress in question. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 18:24:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNOTpP002247 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJNNxiW011421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJNNPD7006414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNNMnd037944; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNNHhe037736 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c89.1e065d6c (14501) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:23:08 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f6db72f-f2c4-4e7e-8daf-21caa5029edc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4769A80F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By Correspondence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence? Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 18:25:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNP24S002393 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:25:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJNOXug015383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJNOEbf006493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNOCGq038965; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNO92t038784 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W28 ([65.55.136.63]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:24:03 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.253.166.10] From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:24:03 -0600 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2007 23:24:03.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E43FDB0:01C84296] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bibliographic favor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a847f8f-b556-40a0-b460-756c3c921d7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4769A831.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone have at hand a copy of "Ancient Textiles: Production, Craft and= Society" by Carole Gillis and Marie-Louise B. Nosch? I need some minor bib= liographic data out of it that I can't get from online sources. If you can = help, please reply privately to robin at netherton dot net. =20 Thanks,=20 =20 Robin _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 18:34:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNYhVl002689 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:34:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJNYEHS004324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:34:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJNHPQI005749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNHLYC030775; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBJNHHdC030608 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 29686 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.155.250 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:17:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ccfataQVM1nncc1agPJLYmDtuzkZA4J0rTPBoU0STETqc8HeN00nrZa1_4s9ZBchU4dELfuF32kMM80fXSKoDUzEBXbNax9Y9Y3S0lPqdgi.3bgYOt4J Message-ID: <004201c84295$48170e50$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135><003201c841a9$512a1510$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><002f01c84213$58d67280$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <110001c84291$43438a10$5200a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: time traveller (was Re: is this based on a real portrait?) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:17:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14d7f8c5-1666-4d00-a480-7f0594b84d89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4769AA76.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:34:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought we were looking for a photo/illustration/portraitof Queen Victoria in the exact design and color of the contemporary pattern. Almost any dress design of the 1840s/50s will have the essential shoulder exposure and drape as one might find in Gernsheim or even Severa. I spent some time googling Victoria this afternoon and so far, have not found any 'sitting' that comes close to the pattern shown in the earlier message with the Question. I am amazed at the number of painted portraits that were done by most of the leading artists of the day; and of course, she was the first of notable royalty to have her age and appearance so well documented by photography. Re her coronation dress, (at least the one that shows up in the official paintings) seems to have been white satin with gold tissue lace deposed in several tiers over it. The royal robe was red velvet, but there are several other portraits of her that show a deep blue velvet. The gown under this robe shows variously an interpretation of the white gown described above. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: time traveller (was Re: is this based on a real portrait?) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Collier" >> In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there >> is >> a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated >> 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book) > > Speaking of that book, if you'll turn to plate 11 and look at the 3rd guy > from the left (the one with his hand to his chin) you will see the EXACT > twin of a friend of mine from school who happens to be a genius physicist. > Every time I look at that picture, I suspect him of having invented a time > machine, and being rude enough to keep it from me. > > More topically, plate 8 from 1842 also bears a resemblance to the dress in > question. > > -E > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 18:38:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNcoQL003045 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:38:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBJNcLVQ022854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJNc1J7009328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNc0uI056392; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta16.adelphia.net (mta16.adelphia.net [68.168.78.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNbu8c056263 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta16.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20071219233750.JSOL2629.mta16.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <96571EAF76624D7096ECDA64330F8BC9@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:37:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b76e901-3984-4ba5-9057-217ffc80dc5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4769AB6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:38:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am so sorry to hear about the news! I hope that your surgery goes well and that you will not need chemotherapy. I will be thinking of you... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions > My dear, please accept my prayers on your behalf and on your family's! > May the holidays bring you joy and comfort, and as you are able, > please keep us posted on how you are doing! > > Blessings, > Meli > ---------------- > > Hello, > > thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, > wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all > this support and all those hints. > > Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is > done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally > unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the > hope it will match his suit well. > > But the wedding itself had to be postponed. > > Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before > my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was > diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The > flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully > contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. > > So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry > Christmas to everyone! > > Love > > B -_- M -_- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 19 21:12:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBK2CJ97008137 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:12:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBK2Bodf000886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:11:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBJNOP9C006515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNOPT0039212; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBJNOL5x039040 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c67.23db8371 (14501) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:08 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:24:08 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slight correction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e28d4635-44ea-4e7c-afa1-b43c982fcfe5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4769CF66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:11:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,TVD_SPACE_RATIO autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That link should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotland Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 10:27:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKFRo0w020566 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:27:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKFRHkK006112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKFQ5c5005273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKFP70h019989; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:25:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBK6IUY2031556 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8E426E300C8; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:17:08 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000b01c8416c$451ab230$d7ddf4dc@user4712b7d135><003201c841a9$512a1510$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><002f01c84213$58d67280$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <110001c84291$43438a10$5200a8c0@compaqub> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: time traveller (was Re: is this based on a realportrait?) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c842d0$1d71b0c0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchCkQO1a4/vOHTOTN+PqwxqH2dtyAAPwNxw In-Reply-To: <110001c84291$43438a10$5200a8c0@compaqub> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f31d8d4-51e9-4782-8d34-ed29e63ffd9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476A89D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, but I notice the sleeves on the pattern aren't anything like the "real" dress sleeves. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Exstock Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: time traveller (was Re: is this based on a realportrait?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" > In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, > there is a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. > It is dated 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book) Speaking of that book, if you'll turn to plate 11 and look at the 3rd guy from the left (the one with his hand to his chin) you will see the EXACT twin of a friend of mine from school who happens to be a genius physicist. Every time I look at that picture, I suspect him of having invented a time machine, and being rude enough to keep it from me. More topically, plate 8 from 1842 also bears a resemblance to the dress in question. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 10:29:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKFTPYx020607 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:29:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKFSpL2001031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKFSAoq005628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKFS88Z025584; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBK6MqpV034842 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:22:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9EAB4203EC; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:21:30 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:22:40 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c842d0$b92416c0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchClggw6URdyaOSQx6el22gU/EEywAOpEpQ In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:28:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Would it be the same as marriage by proxy? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of CC2010Milw@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:23 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question Hello! I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By Correspondence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence? Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 11:10:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKGAhm8021772 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:10:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKGAD9N026979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKG9agG011284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:09:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKG9X0O086793; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKG9SK7086597 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JTC00DS1VJNRPS0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:09:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-224-220-252.eastlink.ca (HELO dickbcbd0c45c9) ([24.224.220.252]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:04:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:09:23 -0400 From: Sarah Paterson To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <000001c84322$af978130$6501a8c0@dickbcbd0c45c9> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AchDIq9az9gD50yiQimrTf7g+DY6ig== X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CADQiakcY4Nz8/2dsb2JhbACCb6c1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,190,1196654400"; d="scan'208,217";a="228691899" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Patterning Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6721b427-fb9e-4614-a60e-b36759dd8345 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476A93E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic Site, which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy of my patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me. So may I ask the group, especially those have done this aspect of contract work before, what do you charge for your patterns? Thank you Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 12:05:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKH56AC023038 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:05:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKH4b49023604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:04:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKH3Ps2020261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKH36c9066221; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKH2p4x065765 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7EBCB2E853F for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:48:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 0FAEF2E856A for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:48:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E6C1800A3 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:02:48 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Patterning Question Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:02:48 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c84322$af978130$6501a8c0@dickbcbd0c45c9> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Patterning Question Thread-Index: AchDIq9az9gD50yiQimrTf7g+DY6igABfu8Q References: <000001c84322$af978130$6501a8c0@dickbcbd0c45c9> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8735c14-5ba4-453c-ba0c-e9fbd8323fd4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 476AA0A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:04:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Sarah: I've not done this sort of work before, but make sure you copyright your work before selling/donating it if you are creating your patterns from scratch, if possible. I do interlibrary loan and some authors have to sign away their rights as author in order to get published. So if they need a published version copy of a work they authored they sometimes have to pay for it. Also, what kind of copies do they want: full scale hardcopies in what material(paper, muslin, etc), scale copies in what scale, or digital copies? This affects the price you charge, depending on the work you have to put into it to supply the copy format. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Paterson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:09 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Patterning Question I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic Site, which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy of my patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me. =20 So may I ask the group, especially those have done this aspect of contract work before, what do you charge for your patterns? =20 Thank you Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 12:37:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKHbjk3023664 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:37:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKHbBam020677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:37:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKFQ5LK005274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKFPSk8020622; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBK6HQTa030481 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8A3A5B02E4; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:16:03 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <228c7530712190451o1b480c13vcf32e42981260937@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:17:13 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c842cf$f62f7d30$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchCPeOo3DScomJ0RxaBQJlVOr19NQAkbs+A In-Reply-To: <228c7530712190451o1b480c13vcf32e42981260937@mail.gmail.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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And Merry Christmas and A very Happy New Year for you, too. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of B -_- M -_- Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) Hello, thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all this support and all those hints. Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the hope it will match his suit well. But the wedding itself had to be postponed. Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry Christmas to everyone! Love B -_- M -_- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 12:48:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKHmolf023867 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:48:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKHmKK7029293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKHgNXY026382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKHgJRP023063; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:42:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBKHgDwB022781 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43273 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 16:00:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jdf3fVhV2GikVbCbYy/N9nKvxzF5I0kZZBXp2yTryKLyy7i0VE7LWHuSWISeKNWamtVKMxK5ynIfhbD8bLGv6NaF2wv4iZSvNTy2pUgysITEBv6DGAwi1G2yadh8ZjDW7Y5slWzVKJ0G7yd/FbGF2nxhk738TfV22v5aLChCEbg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.207.0.133 with plain) by smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 16:00:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ppZhPhYVM1n9VlLcwCZyRipKihBTIE1ydgpBHPi1JUvIv7oseOvlHb3NC4T8ca7Ch3TPatcEFU.EOyFfRVDDkvr51pHF4nhdDg-- Message-ID: <476A91A1.6030805@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:00:33 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f5f0568-3f8d-4802-afc6-94e53fcc9287 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 476AAAE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:48:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've never come across Marriage by Correspondence. But I'm shocked to find they abolished marriage by custom and repute - they kept that quiet! Another unique little quirk of Scots law wiped out, sniff! Jean CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote: > Hello! > > I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the > British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage > got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By > Correspondence > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. > > Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence? > > Henry Osier > Chief Spy > Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 > www.CC28.org > View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ > Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 13:10:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKIAHJ8024182 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:10:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKI9lIq024416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:09:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKI7oGp030707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKI7dDW059738; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKI7YIU059624 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.1]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id D01D01A9D6E for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-68-88.phnx.qwest.net (HELO acer2e68c49b20) (130.13.68.88) by mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 18:07:33 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:06:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <476A91A1.6030805@yahoo.co.uk> Thread-Index: AchDL+5DOceYf7dEQ9So0T6MCLPKngAAxKcw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071220180733.D01D01A9D6E@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4c5480d-306b-4db1-81c3-cf6636a1e100 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476AAFEB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:09:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try this link at Wikipedia - it gives a wee bit more info on the Marriage by Correspondence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity_(conflict) Laurie T. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question I've never come across Marriage by Correspondence. But I'm shocked to find they abolished marriage by custom and repute - they kept that quiet! Another unique little quirk of Scots law wiped out, sniff! Jean CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote: > Hello! > > I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage > in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British > Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that > mentions Marriage By Correspondence > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. > > Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence? > > Henry Osier > Chief Spy > Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 > www.CC28.org > View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ > Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 13:15:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKIFCp6024259 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:15:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKIEeZ6030421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:14:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKIEHY9031576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKIEFU2069152; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [69.93.139.19] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBKIEA0M069036 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 21752 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 17:36:44 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 17:36:44 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51385) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5Nz7-0007sV-SM; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:10:59 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20071220111036.97uvayjsisks8sk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:10:36 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) References: <228c7530712190451o1b480c13vcf32e42981260937@mail.gmail.com> <001601c842cf$f62f7d30$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <001601c842cf$f62f7d30$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ff6a0f4-9980-455a-b395-2d8835004377 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476AB110.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:14:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of B -_- M -_- > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:52 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) > *snippage* > > But the wedding itself had to be postponed. > > Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before my > own flight to the country where it would take place, I was diagnosed with > cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The flight was cancelled, as > were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully contained, I may not even need > chemotherapy afterwards. > > So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry Christmas > to everyone! > Don't know if you'll see this or not, but please, *PLEASE* keep us posted! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 14:20:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKJKMBj025734 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:20:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKJJo4A011963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKJIbjg042640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKJIN1f056502; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:18:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dithers.gower.net (dithers.gower.net [205.230.30.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKJIH4b056343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:18:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Received: from gower.net ([63.97.192.162]) by dithers.gower.net (8.13.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lBKJJ8qm009473 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:19:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Message-ID: <476ABFEF.803@gower.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:18:07 -0600 From: Vicki Betts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question References: <476A91A1.6030805@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476A91A1.6030805@yahoo.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb1e0dfe-d5ce-4786-8983-52c3d7925b04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476AC057.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:19:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here's an American marriage by telegraph! SAVANNAH [GA] REPUBLICAN, February 21, 1863, p. 1, c. 3 Marrying by Telegraph.--On the 6th of February, a marriage ceremony was performed by the Rev. Wm. Carr, chaplain of the 4th regiment N. Y. S. V., under rather novel circumstances, the clergyman and bridegroom being in the city of Washington, and the bride in the village of Fulton, Oswego county, N. Y., during the ceremony. The bridegroom is a member of the 4th regiment, and circumstances prevented his being in Fulton to fulfill his engagement with the young lady. By mail, the parties agreed to have a ceremony performed through the medium of the electric telegraph. The Oswego Times says: The day and hour having been arranged, the parties repaired to the telegraph office at the respective stations, the fair bride accompanied by a female friend as bridesmaid. The gentlemanly operator at Fulton officiated as bridesman. The first despatch over the wire relating to the affair was from Washington, inquiring if the lady was present? An answer in the affirmative was returned, and the ceremony proceeded. Three messages were sent to Fulton and two transmitted to Washington, and the ceremony was completed. The last message from Washington was the declaration of the clergyman pronouncing the parties man and wife. Vicki Betts > > CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage >> in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British >> Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference >> that mentions Marriage By Correspondence >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). >> However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. >> >> Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By >> Correspondence? >> >> Henry Osier >> Chief Spy >> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 >> www.CC28.org >> View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ >> Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 16:01:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKL1kdw027928 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:01:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKL1BM5015855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKKsiKN059161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKKsAKb091201; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBKKrVgB090344 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 63658 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 20:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.155.250 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 20:53:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zia8ZzwVM1kDc_lBqjRgNZjZsF1LEy_NHok_bMOQRQyh_BFNLq8E3eO5R0hXYKJQK4kbxvWJuk6MUrxUdCPBov_YKS3xqLdW4DZCMowFBqvxKDgXfG8H Message-ID: <007201c8434a$5cfaa470$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c84322$af978130$6501a8c0@dickbcbd0c45c9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterning Question Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:53:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 6b37b99f-edaa-48f1-aeaf-6f40104919b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476AD817.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:01:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO After all things considered like time, sizing and originality of patterns taken from extant garments or drafted from pictures, I ended up pricing such (in my now retired business) generally around $50/60. Usually that was high enough to chase away the casual customer and recompense me enough professionally not to worry about copyright. This was pretty much for personal design, particular size. For a venue that may offer 'library' priveledges for design, I suggested that any subsequent use beyond the initial, that permission of the artist must be obtained. I realize that this sort of permission is probably included in copyright agreements, but have come across it from time to time when no other form of continued use was given. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Patterning Question Dear Sarah: I've not done this sort of work before, but make sure you copyright your work before selling/donating it if you are creating your patterns from scratch, if possible. I do interlibrary loan and some authors have to sign away their rights as author in order to get published. So if they need a published version copy of a work they authored they sometimes have to pay for it. Also, what kind of copies do they want: full scale hardcopies in what material(paper, muslin, etc), scale copies in what scale, or digital copies? This affects the price you charge, depending on the work you have to put into it to supply the copy format. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Paterson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:09 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Patterning Question I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic Site, which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy of my patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me. So may I ask the group, especially those have done this aspect of contract work before, what do you charge for your patterns? Thank you Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 18:39:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKNdftn031905 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:39:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBKNdAQt024454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBKNc4pb055426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBKNbsHJ055431; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBKNbkgI055060 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200712202337.lBKNbkgI055060@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Dec 2007 23:37:40 -0000 Received: from p548E711D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.113.29] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 00:37:40 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/8TptSc878It3qkPN03LvaiKpp47LAPpy+JF68av Vw+C5WISmAZ0lA X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:37:41 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Hanna Zickermann Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34b481bd-a09e-4f22-98e8-e6f05c454466 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476AFD1E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance=20 pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions=20 sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not=20 cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",=20 a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and=20 some household inventories mention pleating=20 boards and irons. But how exactly would these=20 pleats have been made? They are so small and yet=20 look perfectly parallel when you look at this=20 picture:=20 http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/D=FCrer,+Albrecht%3A+N=FCrnbergerin+im+Haus= kleid+%5B1%5D=20 I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you? How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the stage? Best wishes, Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 19:05:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL05AUg032552 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:05:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL04aIC007766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL04640073883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL03BZP099688; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL02sfJ098948 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY125-W40 ([65.55.130.75]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:02:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.8.27] From: Elizabeth Clark To: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:02:45 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200712201743.lBKHgc2c023465@net.indra.com> References: <200712201743.lBKHgc2c023465@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 00:02:45.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0970D50:01C84364] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pattern Pricing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a40eb72-5507-47ba-a9b0-c3cbc620e0d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476B0314.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:04:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sarah wrote: >>I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic Sit= e,> which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy of m= y> patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me.<< =20 I'd want more information, but I doubt I'd give away my pattern set. The c= ostuming I've done for historic sites has been for specific figures, which = means an "archive" copy is useless to them--it would fit *only* the figure = it was drafted for or draped on, so it wouldn't be useful for handing off t= o another (cheaper) sewist to make up for others, nor for sending off to ha= ve patterns bootlegged/published, nor for making up generic costume shop it= ems. Before pricing the work, I'd want to know more about the "archives." Is it= a file drawer of documentation on each piece? If so, I'd be willing to do= a documentation packet for each garment, noting specific sources consulted= , techniques used, any compromises with historic accuracy and the justifica= tion/thought process behind them, etc. That would add a few hours labor to= the cost of the work. I might also be willing to put together a list of currently published patte= rns out there that would give *similar* ending garments, if such exists. A= gain, at my normal hourly rate. =20 If they're wanting to use the patterns for future sewing work (done by me o= r by others), then it's a different ballgame. I'm not being hired as a sew= ist--I'm being asked to design patterns, and give them a license to reprodu= ce them as they wish. That sort of license would come at a Very High Price= from me, as I'd have very little control over the finished items after the= patterns left my hands, and the potential for abuse of my work is huge. P= attern making is a different specialty than sewing. As someone "buying" a = pattern set from a drafter (the site is the buyer), I'd be wanting multi-si= ze, fully graded things that would work for multiple people. Pretty differ= ent project from making a few one-off pieces for unique figures! =20 If I *was* okay with turning over my proprietary work (regardless of price)= , I'd want to know what's expected... the base shapes alone are not going t= o do someone much good without instructions, illustrations, construction se= quencing, pattern markings, seam allowances, notes on the pieces that aren'= t on oaktag (such as skirts, bias bindings, most facings, etc)...=20 =20 There are So Many Variables here. Would it be possible to ask for more spe= cifics on what they're wanting "archived?" That might make all the differe= nce in the decision process. =20 Regards, Elizabeth Clark http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com=20 _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_1220= 07= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 19:28:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL0SLhI000428 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:28:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL0RpSh029446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL0RJ06093198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL0R9TA045820; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL0QfmC044698 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d06.21b9fea5 (29678) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:24:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Another Historical Wedding Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2520e3e-c809-4f3b-8c78-af659814b47c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476B0888.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:27:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/20/2007 1:01:01 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:06:46 -0700 > From: "costumeraz" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <20071220180733.D01D01A9D6E@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Try this link at Wikipedia - it gives a wee bit more info on the Marriage by > Correspondence. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity_(conflict) > > Laurie T. > OOH! That's a bit better. But would it apply in the late 1800's and if both people were Scottish, but one lived in London and the other in Toronto? Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 19:33:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL0XCQ0000514 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL0WeVm004185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:32:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL0WMeK098294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL0VSQ0054279; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL0UvhO052814 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c10.267bacb3 (29678) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:20:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Another Historical Wedding Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 9ed6ab97-87e3-4f64-840c-fcd2788bda1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 476B09A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:32:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/20/2007 11:44:31 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > From: "Sharon Collier" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <001801c842d0$b92416c0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Would it be the same as marriage by proxy? I do not know. Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 20:22:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL1MqLO001450 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:22:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL1MMl7025454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL1LCax024755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL1KcdN041962; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL1KREZ041555 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.25]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JTD003HWL1NIRZ0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:20:11 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (HELO eastlink.ca) ([24.222.0.30]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:14:46 -0400 Received: from [10.10.10.62] (Forwarded-For: [142.177.56.52]) by ms1.eastlink.ca (mshttpd); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:20:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:20:11 -0400 From: sjpaterson@eastlink.ca Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern Pricing In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFOjakcY3gAe/2dsb2JhbACBV400gkeWag X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,191,1196654400"; d="scan'208";a="87724034" References: <200712201743.lBKHgc2c023465@net.indra.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d1b46d2-e892-40bb-84ac-b3371ec5068e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476B154E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sure! I am asked to make up 7-8 custom pairs of 19th highland military trews. As per their practice, once they approved the pattern I draft (they have already) they ask for a copy to have on file. Yes I know someday someone else may make trews for the Park, but then I will not live forever. The reasoning is fair, it allows for consistency in the patterning of the garment in the future and my pattern will likely become the Federal Standard. I plan to charge them for this, I just don't know how much. So far I have chased down reproduction costs as they will have copies of the patterns and I shall retain the originals. But I already appreciate your feedback. I just do not think I can get around the selling of the patterns as well, so I want to get a fair market value. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Clark Date: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:02 pm Subject: [h-cost] Pattern Pricing > Sarah wrote: > >>I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National > Historic Site,> which I have done before, but this time they are > asking for a copy of my> patterns for the archives. This one is a > new one on me.<< > > I'd want more information, but I doubt I'd give away my pattern > set. The costuming I've done for historic sites has been for > specific figures, which means an "archive" copy is useless to them-- > it would fit *only* the figure it was drafted for or draped on, so > it wouldn't be useful for handing off to another (cheaper) sewist > to make up for others, nor for sending off to have patterns > bootlegged/published, nor for making up generic costume shop items. > Before pricing the work, I'd want to know more about the > "archives." Is it a file drawer of documentation on each piece? > If so, I'd be willing to do a documentation packet for each > garment, noting specific sources consulted, techniques used, any > compromises with historic accuracy and the justification/thought > process behind them, etc. That would add a few hours labor to the > cost of the work. > I might also be willing to put together a list of currently > published patterns out there that would give *similar* ending > garments, if such exists. Again, at my normal hourly rate. > > If they're wanting to use the patterns for future sewing work (done > by me or by others), then it's a different ballgame. I'm not being > hired as a sewist--I'm being asked to design patterns, and give > them a license to reproduce them as they wish. That sort of > license would come at a Very High Price from me, as I'd have very > little control over the finished items after the patterns left my > hands, and the potential for abuse of my work is huge. Pattern > making is a different specialty than sewing. As someone "buying" a > pattern set from a drafter (the site is the buyer), I'd be wanting > multi-size, fully graded things that would work for multiple > people. Pretty different project from making a few one-off pieces > for unique figures! > > If I *was* okay with turning over my proprietary work (regardless > of price), I'd want to know what's expected... the base shapes > alone are not going to do someone much good without instructions, > illustrations, construction sequencing, pattern markings, seam > allowances, notes on the pieces that aren't on oaktag (such as > skirts, bias bindings, most facings, etc)... > > There are So Many Variables here. Would it be possible to ask for > more specifics on what they're wanting "archived?" That might make > all the difference in the decision process. > > Regards, > Elizabeth Clark > http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com > _________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 20:38:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL1cJfx001747 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:38:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL1bexn008360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL1b6pF043028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL1b4st075308; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL1b1ck075136 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:37:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cc3.20368a8b (39332) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:36:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterning Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31fd2284-19c7-4290-b4d5-9e8a72738867 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 476B18E4.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:37:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/20/2007 3:56:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: I've not done this sort of work before, but make sure you copyright your work before selling/donating it if you are creating your patterns from scratch, if possible. Not to open a can of worms or anything, but you really don't have to "copyright" your work, i.e., register it, for you to own it. But, to be on the safe side, so you can establish that it is yours, put the copyright symbol and the date on every piece you turn over to them, if you choose to. Your question reminds me of a situation with me--I gave a lecture about a year ago, and then the attendees wanted a detailed reference list (or, better yet, a print out with images) of what I had talked about. Well, my feeling is that my lecture fee only entitles to you the lecture--if you want detailed written information beyond that, it should cost you extra. Same with your patterns, especially if you provide docementation, which, BTW, I think is very generous, but probably makes them much more useful to the site. As to what to charge--I just found out that an appraiser friend of mine is charging $125/hour, with a 2-hour minimum. (I'm beginning to think $100 a lecture is too cheap!) Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 21:49:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL2nXmh002854 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:49:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL2n3Qv003589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL2lxlQ056351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL2ltKS045836; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL2lq3N045701 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org) Received: from [68.164.90.2] (helo=[192.168.0.5]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J5XvO-0004zZ-Jc for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:47:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:30:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce5b5839ea5d732c8f45ac07387418c85350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.90.2 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6be8de8-ab0c-439c-819e-19121b42bc48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476B299F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:49:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 6:23 PM -0500 12/19/07, CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote: >I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the >British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage >got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By >Correspondence >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). >However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. > >Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence? The Wikipedia article (like so many Wikipedia articles) is a garbled mix of fact and nonsense. In particular, they do not seem to really understand the history of marriage law in Scotland. I don't really do the 19th century, but for the basic foundation (which remained essentially unchanged until 1940), see the Marriage sections of my article "Historical Handfasting" at http://MedievalScotland.org/history/handfasting.shtml Note, however, that marriage law was not uniform throughout the UK (let alone the whole British Empire). At a minimum, Scotland had (and still has) a separate legal system and laws. So marriage law and practice will depend on the particular place you have in mind. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, PhD - skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ Shopping Online? Help support! - http://MedievalScotland.org/patron/ The most complete index of reliable web articles about pre-1600 names: The Medieval Names Archive - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 20 22:12:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL3Ca3U003231 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:12:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL3C6lg007895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBL3BSum059501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBL3BO2t069589; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.60]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBL3AjSX068350 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sadisticschoolmistress@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 21551 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2007 03:10:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xZs247rXXg5Cghs3/WsY47Ej2C0paQjr3J92+UIyc71JsZF5ZgODba+B0wEmJLCOHF3wjRg6AQXN9V3/r0bai2Aj5+Rfnfboci0OS6u99nGzFEQnK7JkJ6KkGsz38KOueDOhL3HjgPfrrAmpJ02SMRYiDo/o12wTCAgLKeHbceM=; X-YMail-OSG: Oo21e1oVM1n762I61lYbuOwq9YkekXmPDsQn2abKpFJoqHIKlxlOpkifraCpDr.8B2OfjeaMQs0AnMabWKy6W1Bnem19RUKMAIt46TqOvCXl95BamOvL9PeaiwbeYBmj Received: from [24.150.131.204] by web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:10:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: Sheridan Alder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Another Historical Wedding Question To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <496595.19591.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d915216c-d6cb-4a5c-8689-cacfec14dab7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476B2F06.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Being Scottish isn't like having venereal disease - there's a limit to how far you can take it with you! A Canadian, or someone living in Canada, would be covered by Canadian laws regarding marriage, and someone in London, England (as opposed to London, Ontario) would is residing in Britain and is covered by British law. It wouldn't matter a fiddler's fornication if you were Scottish or Lebanese, as I understand it. The late 19th century is pretty "modern" in my opinion - they're getting pretty tight-assed about marriage. I can't see it being legal or acceptable, but if it's a novel, well....I would recommend checking British AND Canadian law. I have a book on the history of marriage in Canada, and came across no mention on marriage by correspondence. Sheridan Alder Disciplining poor grammar, spelling and logic since 2007 ----- Original Message ---- From: "CC2010Milw@cs.com" To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:24:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Another Historical Wedding Question In a message dated 12/20/2007 1:01:01 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:06:46 -0700 > From: "costumeraz" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <20071220180733.D01D01A9D6E@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Try this link at Wikipedia - it gives a wee bit more info on the Marriage by > Correspondence. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity_(conflict) > > Laurie T. > OOH! That's a bit better. But would it apply in the late 1800's and if both people were Scottish, but one lived in London and the other in Toronto? 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Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 21 05:42:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLAgJCq018333 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:42:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBLAfgEJ016363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBLAeREP003009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLAeOfq026089; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLAeJVn025959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-90-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.90]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lBLAeGmm008583 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:40:18 +1100 Message-ID: <001601c843bd$e09bdc90$5ad6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:40:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5203/Fri Dec 21 15:10:12 2007 on mail11.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7311113-9446-4546-80d5-ad620446de5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476B9866.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:41:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO thanks everyone for the help, I decided to buy the gold fabric I had my eye on even if Queen Victoria wasn't painted in gold. Although I wasn't actually planning on using this pattern (I already have a 1860s ballgown pattern that I know fits me so I'll just adapt the point to a more 1840s style) some late 1830s plates actually do show a dropped waist like that pattern e.g. http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/maciet2/M5053MA_214X18X/Lec/M5053MA_214X18X00030_L.jpg (the bottom right corner). And I remember the portrait of Elizabeth II you're talking about, a copy of it was hung in my Girl Guides hall. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? >I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not > recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn > before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note > that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen > Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 21 11:08:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLG8WJ0005647 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:08:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBLG82aY025434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBLG6pEJ049121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLG6ldo048884; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBLG6egj048675 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:06:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39001 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2007 16:06:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Gx2fN2E3P+DzPSAvxRL0mVLboY8MJQ9NfDoYtZeM1k9KjpfMkHDmpawKIM5taVIF+47I/nzLtAObIlZ/K/bvcVWw8hZhUL//bnFrBTOKDUV/LodvoYTMwLjxAWzwuZB4qsr3rbLfqriJAhi3qPHdAaCTNI6LGhEgypBIC4xO78E=; X-YMail-OSG: uhEbMx8VM1kUwUdOS4PKlNZjoV8Kowwk7JKhp9wi9hIvvYnlrwUsK8LWkxt3o7CKDqmSMVnww4T4C_ROlBCTFykXyv910zPLGDjwSAVbnZqWMooOGvMeYQ_QLJDSgi8cvF9F6wHCj9DlMQ-- Received: from [98.207.72.3] by web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:06:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:06:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3296.38980.qm@web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12f5d002-c6e2-4832-84e5-f1a290ce517b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476BE4E2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:08:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BODY_ENHANCEMENT2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask: How do I give one breast reduction surgery? I bought a petite sized one to make ballet costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's bust. I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving it a mastectomy! Any suggestions? I assume that others have had to do this too.... We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!! LOL ~mary Proud member of an "A" cup family I've abandoned my search for truth, and now I'm just looking for a good fantasy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 21 11:56:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLGuD0t007117 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:56:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBLGtMKO019476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:55:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBLGsptu059276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLGskE0003922; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLGsgJN003664 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.228.71] Received: from [75.45.228.71] (adsl-75-45-228-71.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.228.71]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBLGsZHW013502 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:54:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <3296.38980.qm@web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <3296.38980.qm@web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:55:12 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce992bef-4a9d-4b81-9bac-0e6e82ccb275 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 476BEFFA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:55:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BODY_ENHANCEMENT2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you can't squash it sufficiently by taking in the fabric cover, take an electric knife to the foam itself and carve off the extra bits. Be prepared for a huge mess, but electric knives are generally the best thing for cutting foam rubber. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler On Dec 21, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Mary wrote: > All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the > Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask: How do I give one breast > reduction surgery? I bought a petite sized one to make ballet > costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is > definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's > bust. I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving > it a mastectomy! Any suggestions? I assume that others have had > to do this too.... > > We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when > nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!! LOL > > ~mary > Proud member of an "A" cup family > > > I've abandoned my search for truth, and now I'm just looking for a > good fantasy. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 21 13:07:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLI7ftx009331 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:07:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBLI74In019640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBLI607P069852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:06:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLI5tNX097138; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLI4jlG095791 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so271658wxc.23 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:04:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=QHGifIO95YM8D1ehl5gEIh4DwnVA/pE9Tb/BwNg8zZg=; b=cjRTWvXKQ9mjCmyN4LQE5RHTvfFSFS8NRPi/HLCKb8tGrW262u/TaYikMRr3FpKZW+32MYI/MfvXqAYd2IIvxLto3vT0+HEhenRSWtcB7/UlvS3zhTF7n/FIx3rLJ0ubejD9R/hNJIY8Xl/KOnWGZ/Ij2nI23tM3D72ahxa3jSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=smagrSd6bGVHqhF6nIeMnMdJRmPLH602951lwvY6RiU5tP0wI4jpeK3c4cZY1HVqjlUW4sPi+gEwOeKUoT7Iqp5WBnqGgUHJFPKWxlxYYbyX3wYmO+toZYayhdyql8chGm4fnx9dj40wZGLzKO2mI67v1GDyerBZmIHehnVNTy4= Received: by 10.142.226.2 with SMTP id y2mr817770wfg.75.1198260284477; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:04:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:04:44 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b02bc13b-882e-4368-b938-b4ac34415c26 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476C00C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask: How do I give one breast reduction surgery? I bought a petite sized one to make ballet costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's bust. I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving it a mastectomy! Any suggestions? I assume that others have had to do this too.... We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!! LOL ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 21 21:34:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBM2YO9M022328 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:34:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBM2XsQh003628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBM2WZqI039012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBM2WVi0096624; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBLISNSO025672 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 144653B2A6 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:28:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] is this based on a real portrait? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:30:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001601c843bd$e09bdc90$5ad6f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 41f4dc74-f202-461e-b17a-63b47f135420 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476C7793.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I see. Now the question is, is the drop waist only found on day dresses or have you found them with ball gowns or evening gowns? And was the drop waist in the prints ever made? Here is some extant gowns 1800s - 1839 http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html I have not gone through them all but from the looks of things, the natural waistline was the common level for 1830s. -----Original Message----- some late 1830s plates actually do show a dropped waist like that pattern e.g. http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/maciet2/M5053MA_214X18X/Lec/M50 53MA_214X18X00030_L.jpg (the bottom right corner). Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 22 11:05:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBMG5LA3025218 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:05:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBMG4mog001352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBMG3kAv055310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBMG3gSm016154; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBMG3djZ015911 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81324 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2007 16:03:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IVJdnkvT8kelg7SY8u/B3PupnN7uVWhM5NDnteehmaHzquER5boGC2EpMGik+q6YKmccv2D+cJt+DDOBDgBIqS/Q/e07+62Oz5mnlWc67qYNHg9XGz0mspwx8ctqUGkYEhli28dGoQjyOQ7fGDdNUInBzulK7OtREB1UY8DfztE=; X-YMail-OSG: ntLAn9MVM1nRM8SmePiRwowlv_108Cu9aL7sJSMKFI9r9qlNswX9mraQqWPq6KHlcyNVnkxqZv2._HrANZw2I6Yj_7VFPFR79oYKpnCcsJG2YDb2chHVrJRN5N97sjwTPpxwZoIESSKKOGw7aam775B7 Received: from [98.207.72.3] by web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:03:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <902409.81139.qm@web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2091280e-9603-4277-bb14-33b6968f4880 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 476D35A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BODY_ENHANCEMENT2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Melanie & Cin, Thanks for the replies. I think that I will try Cin's suggestion first and then Melanie's -- I have to admit I'm a bit afraid of trying to carve the foam! lol Happy Holidays, ~mary ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Melanie Schuessler If you can't squash it sufficiently by taking in the fabric cover, take an electric knife to the foam itself and carve off the extra bits. Be prepared for a huge mess, but electric knives are generally the best thing for cutting foam rubber. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler From: Cin Mary, Make the dress form cover fit the daughter snuggly. UY's boobs compress lots. Really! I also have a petite dummy with the same bust size as you. You may have to wrestle the dummy on the floor and put your knee in her back to get the cover on, but the foam does squish. Yeah, even those torpedo tits. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel? All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask: How do I give one breast reduction surgery? I bought a petite sized one to make ballet costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's bust. I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving it a mastectomy! Any suggestions? I assume that others have had to do this too.... We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!! LOL ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 23 11:44:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBNGiT5v003967 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:44:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBNGhtcW012888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBNGgixa007574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBNGgWPQ000332; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBNGgQ6O000155 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cdb.228cfd54 (39331) for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:42:17 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Another Historical Wedding Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c7f2a35-eef4-4157-b238-99113b13218d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476E904B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:44:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks to all for your assistance! It is much appreciated! In other news, the remake of 3:10 To Yuma is out soon on DVD. Russell Crowe and his chief henchman have the best non period outfits in the movie. And run, do not walk, trample lower class people, to see the Sweeny Todd movie. Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 23 14:06:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBNJ6o7w008330 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:06:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBNJ6EnQ021900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBNJ5D6p022924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBNJ55WU015296; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBNJ52T6015143 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (68-186-23-14.dhcp.lncn.or.charter.com [68.186.23.14]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lBNJ4uw00786 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:11:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200711110218.34745.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83db998d-8025-4e41-8a26-3d64d9df43a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 476EB1A6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:06:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! Happy Holidays! Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 24 10:06:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOF6Rer021114 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBOF5urK014798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBOF4lHB061137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOF4hL5063264; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOF4emg063086 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.11]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:04:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:04:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.180.137.106 by BAY133-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:04:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.180.137.106] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AchFltiEWRFCrbR2TzO9vkzeMx5CTAAp2zcA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2007 15:04:35.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BCDBBF0:01C8463E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a9ce5a6-004d-4399-944f-d25eadfaa90f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 476FCAD4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:06:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Done! :) Responded off list... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Althea Turner Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Hello! Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! Happy Holidays! Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 24 10:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOF9wEo021245 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:09:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBOF9KqV007760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:09:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBOF94aK061710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOF94pT067768; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOF904h067600 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:08:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:08:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.180.137.106 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:08:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.180.137.106] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:09:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AchDYnKv2w+nC30XQfOE3ThCVrF62wC3ACmQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <200712202337.lBKNbkgI055060@net.indra.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2007 15:08:55.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6D6E9A0:01C8463E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33645c26-6a8e-4eac-a3d8-49da5e573918 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 476FCBA0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:09:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed. Don't = know that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater... http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters (Scroll down). Sg For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo = group. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating Hello, has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance=20 pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions=20 sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not=20 cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",=20 a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and=20 some household inventories mention pleating=20 boards and irons. But how exactly would these=20 pleats have been made? They are so small and yet=20 look perfectly parallel when you look at this=20 picture:=20 http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/D=FCrer,+Albrecht%3A+N=FCrnbergerin+im+H= ausklei d+%5B1%5D=20 I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you? How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the = stage? Best wishes, Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 24 16:51:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOLpblL030058 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBOLp66j016196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:51:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBOLnvEp009254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOLnosV085080; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBOLnmuw085043 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so3043792waf.3 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:49:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=WbwR2i+ykpFKbn3DXFND30S+HmCcKPoLG+p4/auea70=; b=tfls+d5sn+QLx/aBJHl1eP+xLolk44CW5ariSoVptF5J+KhslSrIRJxuDmA6o69TE9iU5qQckbzomeROIbe14mrJh6GxZsfJ3Z/R7vhIALuCeL/N9wnNrJrEMS2nQ/cBwXYZQsiA3vnUvWhKJydZSrCS6mRuVY+er+mjGCnIZCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kYZUffaje9xTBLIAApjjTc2Fj9uYu5QDBEIgnVc9x7joJ+4ZwBmK5SrKt6m5MeuvXylDCMptkTX24SGnk1LvFTBWAzLmepQYiRT2q55/cDk+bnoaPeoNkbOngjWuduQRaU/AWfc2kU1yhXxrMecsF9FrAgZDhM/piin7Ox1ijR4= Received: by 10.114.202.15 with SMTP id z15mr4250338waf.72.1198532988230; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.160.1 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:49:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:49:48 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29868cfd-ce8c-4f81-b1f3-98a72ad11a40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477029CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I've looked around the intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! Happy Holidays! Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 14:45:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPJjN9D014182 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:45:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBPJiqt5010265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBPJhhix041290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:43:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPJhago087982; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPJhWEl087939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.153] (dial-209-148-98-153.sonic.net [209.148.98.153] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBPJhVf9015191 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:43:31 -0800 Message-ID: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:43:37 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c99af7c7-577b-4611-8cc6-92f9a504df1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47715DB4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:44:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aren't we having annual discussion? I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 15:55:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPKtpA4015720 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:55:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBPKtKE3016411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:55:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBPKsDBG047682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPKsBtt043881; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPKs8fn043830 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DD83807D for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:56:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712251556.10547.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28163b0d-ec57-41c2-ba41-163e8d0eea54 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47716E38.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:55:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 25 December 2007, Lavolta Press wrote: > Aren't we having annual discussion? > > I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like > olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments > of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. > > Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, > seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a > bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region > DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltpress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 16:03:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPL3jVh015895 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:03:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBPL3C8A012725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:03:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBPL2pw1048763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPL2oGl051390; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPL2kul051345 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F513807D for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:04:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712251604.48547.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a8ce30e-8eb0-4345-aff7-3079f9340301 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47717010.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:03:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 25 December 2007, Lavolta Press wrote: > Aren't we having annual discussion? > > I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like > olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments > of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. > > Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, > seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a > bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region > DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). I bought myself a number of costuming books this year, and in fact got a number of books for Christmas, but none of the Christmas books were costume-related. They included The Far Traveller; Colors: A History of the Palette; Ancient Egyptian Dances; God's Secret Agents : Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of the Gunpowder Plot; Letters from Nuremberg: My Father's Narrative of a Quest for Justice Also received: the soundtrack for "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" (the third movie); a small fire extinguisher for the kitchen; Munchkin Impossible (a card game); The Good, the Bad, and the Munchkin (ditto); miscellaneous small items, and a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to share with my husband. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 16:22:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPLMVrQ016203 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:22:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBPLM0vN030577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:22:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBPLLYeU051399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPLLXcM069163; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPLLTQo069089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:21:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.153] (dial-209-148-98-153.sonic.net [209.148.98.153] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBPLLSBs002934 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:21:28 -0800 Message-ID: <4771745F.7080707@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:21:35 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> <200712251604.48547.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200712251604.48547.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f762cecf-ceea-45f8-be58-1a5a33a6915e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47717478.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:22:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > I bought myself a number of costuming books this year, and in fact got a > number of books for Christmas, but none of the Christmas books were > costume-related. I buy a lot of books, but around Christmas I save up some of the requests so people have something to give me. I do that with business software too. To that end I asked for and received a copy of the Corel X3 graphics software package. As usual, my mother-in-law gave me some cookware (3 heavy 8" cake pans and 3 heavy loaf pans) and a bunch of dried pasta and other Italian cooking ingredients. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > The Far Traveller; > Colors: A History of the Palette; > Ancient Egyptian Dances; > God's Secret Agents : Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of > the Gunpowder Plot; Letters from Nuremberg: My Father's Narrative of a Quest > for Justice > > Also received: the soundtrack for "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" > (the third movie); a small fire extinguisher for the kitchen; Munchkin > Impossible (a card game); The Good, the Bad, and the Munchkin (ditto); > miscellaneous small items, and a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to share with > my husband. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 18:40:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPNeI2O019231 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:40:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBPNdjH6013495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:39:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBPNcW5r077050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPNcOJ4087648; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBPNcGwE087458 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d35.19f5f5f2 (32914) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:38:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01a7e264-edba-410f-a246-be374fc4beb9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477194C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/25/2007 2:44:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Aren't we having annual discussion? I did get one costume-related gift--my mother-in-law gave me "The History of Beads," by Lois Sherr Dubin. I didn't ask for it, but it has lovely pictures, and I'm sure I'll learn something. I'm also GIVING a costume gift--have to get a Regency-style evening turban done for my office mate before Jan. 5, for our 12th Night Ball at Riversdale. Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 20:09:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ19sWc022213 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:09:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQ19Mu7020716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:09:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQ18FNJ085897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ18995053854; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ185a2053768 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce5.2448509f (39329) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:07:55 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:07:55 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 238dea06-770c-49cb-a78a-2215e20bf20f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4771A9C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:09:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/25/2007 2:44:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). ***************** I don't mean to be nosy or anything, but...why? All the spices and stuff sounds like a nice gift. I love Indian food. I just learned to make Naan on Youtube! I got nothing costume related for Christmas, but everyone seemed to like the long robes I made them out of outrageous African prints. I was worried they'd be looking at them sideways and thinking "What the hell is wrong with him?" New Years up next! The days are getting longer [unless you're in the southern hemisphere of course] Yay! Happy holidays everybody! **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 20:22:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ1MuQM022371 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:22:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQ1MPi3026462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:22:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQ1MAmn087141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:22:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ1M9DN063182; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ1M6IR063143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.53] (dial-209-148-101-53.sonic.net [209.148.101.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBQ1M4n3020227 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: <4771ACC3.7000403@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:22:11 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47440871-0eea-4376-ae32-abb51f36245f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4771ACD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:22:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > I don't mean to be nosy or anything, but...why? Why on earth would I want an IPOD? I don't walk around listening to music. I have better stereo equipment at home. Nor do I walk around talking on the phone--I don't have a cell phone. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 25 23:26:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ4QqVm025662 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:26:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQ4QLQH003962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:26:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQ4PJRI005271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ4PAq8098999; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:25:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ4P7ij098918 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JTN0006N2X9AR40@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:24:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:24:39 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts In-reply-to: <200712251604.48547.cathy@thyrsus.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b810b33-83aa-4484-b90a-3fcba57105b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4771D7ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:26:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I got a comfy. but beautiful, chair for my desk where I write, a digital camera, a table for the living room, pearl earrings, a HUGE Barns and Noble gift cert., lingerie, books on history (Alexander the great, and Kings-- for my costume history class.) I bought my husband a bunch of wonderful picture books (Battles, Weapons and Warriors) that will probably find their way to my scanner really soon-- great costume pics. And videos. I bought myself the fresco books and Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII and some others... Now to find a place for everything... Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts On Tuesday 25 December 2007, Lavolta Press wrote: > Aren't we having annual discussion? > > I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like > olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments > of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. > > Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, > seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a > bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region > DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). I bought myself a number of costuming books this year, and in fact got a number of books for Christmas, but none of the Christmas books were costume-related. They included The Far Traveller; Colors: A History of the Palette; Ancient Egyptian Dances; God's Secret Agents : Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of the Gunpowder Plot; Letters from Nuremberg: My Father's Narrative of a Quest for Justice Also received: the soundtrack for "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" (the third movie); a small fire extinguisher for the kitchen; Munchkin Impossible (a card game); The Good, the Bad, and the Munchkin (ditto); miscellaneous small items, and a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to share with my husband. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 00:10:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ5ANIR026481 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:10:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQ59p2h021638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQ59Mo0008887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ59KfE027317; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ59H2v027225 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W23 ([64.4.19.123]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:09:12 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.58.29] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:09:12 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2007 05:09:12.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[741D71F0:01C8477D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 754c3ef5-b491-4787-bbce-22009b259a7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4771E21F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:09:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can hardly contain my excitement - my husband bought me the top of the li= ne Pfaff Creative Vision machine!!!!! I am going to need to go back to sc= hool to learn how to use it but I hear a wonderful ady - Amanda- who is re= sident guru at the shop where it was purchased is an expert and can't wait = for me to come in and start my education. Wheeeee I know I'm bragging b= ut I really thought he hated all the time I spend sewing - and now this - s= o I can spent more time. Also my oldest son is going to take us to see "Wi= cked"=20 Annie Cat Merry Christmas to All> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:43:37 -0800> = From: fran@lavoltapress.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > Subject: [h-cos= t] Costume related Christmas gifts> > Aren't we having annual discussion?> = > I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Produ= ction, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like > olive-colo= red crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments > of rather = naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.> > Also so= me science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, > seeds, nut= s, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a > bottle of elderb= erry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region > DVD player; and an = IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).> > Fran> Lavolta Press Books on = Historic Costuming> http://www.lavoltpress.com> > > _______________________= ________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com>= http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 00:40:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ5elWQ026868 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:40:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQ5eGLb014192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:40:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQ5d8UK010638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ5d2Ae047187; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:39:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ5cwHc047101 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=g818/LAI6DFFxxhHp6stXU7dMS/jXvbPlbRuPExIinuwIsU8tnpCCLDFuweTaDnJ; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J7Oyi-0003er-Ph for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:38:53 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071225232608.03719ac0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:32:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts In-Reply-To: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53288d41ef34f817d7e1b5299d6edb48c19be5d0e2d86c1655350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d39d174-f519-4b5e-9655-32b9fa4c1c8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4771E940.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:40:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I got the Kyoto Museum book (which we already have, so it will be exchanged for something else costume - any suggestions?), several SF/Fantasy/Mystery paperbacks (including the latest Karen Harper Eliz I mystery), and a lovely vintage-look brooch of 3 cats. Non-costume-ish - Bath towels, and a Cuisinart pro stand mixer. I like to cook as much as sew..... Hubby got the Erte' Sculpture book, the Warrior book (mentioned by someone else), and a pair of tri-color gold earrings (from me). Plus other non-costumey stuff, including a giant drill/driver bit set (because when we're building props, we can never find the d**n drill bits!) Sandy At 01:43 PM 12/25/2007, you wrote: >Aren't we having annual discussion? "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 04:01:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ91tfE025580 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:01:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQ91OnW030097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQ90DYD039028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ907Kw070648; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQ904wY070539 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1614.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.81]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC0E344182 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:59:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <477219D0.1050807@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:07:28 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20071225232608.03719ac0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071225232608.03719ac0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d640576-0f2a-4b89-8186-64d75166861f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47721864.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:01:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I bought myself something that will help me learn more about making historical costumes. That will able me to try out a lot with less cost. Ever since I made my 16th century wedding dress I had the feeling that I couldn't improve myself on making better and more beautiful costumes because it was getting too expensive. But I have found a solution. I bought myself two Ball Jointed Dolls from Korea. One 70cm male doll and one 68cm female. She will come somewhere in January but I am already making a bustle gown for her. A friend of mine has the same size doll. And yesterday we fitted the skirt and bustle and made a basic pattern for the bodice. I found out by making a dress shirt and pants for my boy Quinn that it is the perfect size for me. Not to small and not to big. Now I can get more experience and try a dress or a male costume in nice fabrics before I make it in full size. And we bought some beautiful patten books on French Fashion Doll making. And I hope my husband will like making dolls so that he will be a doll maker on the Anton Pieck Parade next year. That would be fun making 19th century dolls while wearing 19th century clothing. I think the public will love it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 08:27:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQDRSYE024300 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:27:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQDQuTk031622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:27:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQDQa0t069131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQDQZ22011513; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQB9V2P069009 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:09:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c5d.23ac466d (65097) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:08:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9bce25f-3cb6-4313-a81c-554ebd65984f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477256A0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:27:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/26/2007 12:09:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, praxis_729@hotmail.com writes: my husband bought me the top of the line Pfaff Creative Vision machine!!!!! And, a PS to my last post. You are very fortunate that you husband was evidently paying enough attention to know where to go to buy what you wanted. I've known men to buy sewing machines for their wives that were not really that great. (Not MY husband, though--he knew better!) Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 08:27:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQDRVBU024304 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:27:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQDQxi5027917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:27:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQDPtCh069077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQDPpHk009974; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQB4FR1064953 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d0d.229d2091 (65097) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:04:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:04:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7af38c56-ad01-4b9a-bdd1-1412cb69aee6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477256A3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:27:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/26/2007 12:09:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, praxis_729@hotmail.com writes: my husband bought me the top of the line Pfaff Creative Vision machine!!!!! That is indeed a great gift, and I'm sure you will enjoy the classes. I still get great enjoyment out of sitting down at my Bernina--7 years old, now--after years of making do with other machines. Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 09:38:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQEbxAZ026144 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:37:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQEbIPR016419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:37:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQEV5oK076105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQEV352078998; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQEV0pK078889 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:30:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:30:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 209.180.137.106 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:30:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.180.137.106] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AchGdxUn77u4OYvyT5WeaS92GNI7jABVNKcg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2007 14:30:55.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECC6BDC0:01C847CB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78b5944b-4149-416e-ae88-f9a0d5dfd10f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4772671E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:37:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Of course I will...any other takers? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Henderson Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:50 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe *lower lip wibbles* And... and... you aren't gonna share?? :) Meli Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700 From: "Wicked Frau" Done! :) Responded off list... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Althea Turner Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Hello! Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! Happy Holidays! Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 09:50:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQEoGVQ026298 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:50:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQEnU5e015871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQEn0eO078135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQEmxpv096298; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:48:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQEmuDc096121 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cfd.250cc8fa (30738) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:48:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b64a72d-12b3-4f4b-91da-3086df2ac758 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477269FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/25/2007 8:22:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: I don't walk around listening to music. I have better stereo equipment at home. ************* I see your point. I much prefer music in the air around me than thru headphones. But of course now they have all these devices with speakers you can just plug the iPod into. I don't have one either, but I got all my buddies iPod Shuffles for Christmas [they're tiny and clip onto your lapel or shirt collar, 2 gigs...amazing]they love them! *********** Nor do I walk around talking on the phone--I don't have a cell phone ************ I get that too. But my cell phone has come in very handy since I have to travel back and forth between where I live now and my old and sick parents back in my hometown. One is not required to answer the [damn] thing every time nor talk on it constantly. Sorry....didn't mean to get off topic. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 10:46:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQFkLKO027343 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:46:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQFjlWY027860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQFiTEt084392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQFiNkf054801; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQFiKRS054662 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:44:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5551113B35 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <477276D0.5090008@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:16 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a1b4142-f684-4583-9d8e-e62bb74479e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4772772B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 12:15:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHExkh029104 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:14:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQHEPi2004902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:14:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQHDR2B094830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHDNIv056579; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHDIrt056360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthbean@onetel.com) Received: from [83.216.128.118] (helo=AXIS) by pih-relay08.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1J7Zod-00020c-34 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:13:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> From: "Ruth Bean" To: References: <200712261449.lBQEn1nw096324@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08dc742e-d4b7-4431-bc9f-a32d0b37af5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47728BF1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:14:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original copies of Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is no right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others without permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not authorised any display of Alcega patterns on line either. Ruth Bean Ruth Bean Publishers ruthbean@onetel.com -----Original message----- | Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700 | From: "Wicked Frau" | Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | To: "'Historical Costume'" | Message-ID: | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" | | Of course I will...any other takers? | | -----Original Message----- | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Sharon Henderson | Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:50 PM | To: h-costume@indra.com | Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | *lower lip wibbles* | | And... and... you aren't gonna share?? | | :) | Meli | | | Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700 | From: "Wicked Frau" | | Done! :) Responded off list... | | -----Original Message----- | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Althea Turner | Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:11 PM | To: Historical Costume | Subject: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | Hello! | Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or | would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the | intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! | Happy Holidays! | Althea | _______________________________________________ | _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 12:27:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHRttG029371 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQHRNBx005273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQHR09S097156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHQx4i073048; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHQuNi072842 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c01.28d859aa (30738) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:26:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:26:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas dinner story...waaaay OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af97a253-6aec-4125-866e-86fba88466dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47728EFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This was posted on the AOL Classical Music boards [we talk about everything]. ************************* This is an article submitted to a 1999 Louisville Sentinel contest to find out who had the wildest Christmas dinner. This won first prize. As a joke, my brother used to hang a pair of panty hose over his fireplace before Christmas. He said all he wanted was for Santa to fill them. What they say about Santa checking the list twice must be true because every Christmas morning, although Jay's kids' stockings were overflowed, his poor pantyhose hung sadly empty. One year I decided to make his dream come true. I put on sunglasses and went in search of an inflatable love doll. They don't sell those things at Wal-Mart. I had to go to an adult bookstore downtown. If you've never been in an X-rated store, don't go. You'll only confuse yourself. I was there an hour saying things like, "What does this do?" "You're kidding me!" "Who would buy that?" Finally, I made it to the inflatable doll section. I wanted to buy a standard, uncomplicated doll that could also substitute as a passenger in my truck so I could use the carpool lane during rush hour. Finding what I wanted was difficult. Love dolls come in many different models. The top of the line, according to the side of the box, could do things I'd only seen in a book on animal husbandry. I settled on "Lovable Louise." She was at the bottom of the price scale. To call Louise a "doll" took a huge leap of imagination. On Christmas Eve, with the help of an old bicycle pump, Louise came to life. My sister-in-law was in on the plan and let me in during the wee morning hours, long after Santa had come and gone, I filled the dangling pantyhose with Louise's pliant legs and bottom. I also ate some cookies and drank what remained of a glass of milk on a nearby tray. I went home, and giggled for a couple of hours. The next morning my brother called to say that Santa had been to his house and left a present that had made him VERY happy but had left the dog confused. She would bark, start to walk away, then come back and bark some more. We all agreed that Louise should remain in her panty hose so the rest of the family could admire her when they came over for the traditional Christmas dinner. My grandmother noticed Louise the moment she walked in the door. "What the hell is that?" she asked. My brother quickly explained, "It's a doll." "Who would play with something like that?" Granny snapped. I had several candidates in mind, but kept my mouth shut. "Where are her clothes?" Granny continued. "Boy, that turkey sure smells nice, Gran," Jay, my brother said, trying to steer her into the dining room. But Granny was relentless. "Why doesn't she have any teeth?" Again, I could have answered, but why would I? It was Christmas and no one wanted to ride in the back of the ambulance saying, "Hang on Granny! Hang on!" My grandfather, a delightful old man with poor eyesight, sidled up to me and said, "Hey, who's the naked gal by the fireplace?" I told him she was Jay's friend. A few minutes later, I noticed Grandpa by the mantel, talking to Louise. Not just talking, but actually flirting. It was then that we realized this might be Grandpa's last Christmas at home. The dinner went well. We made the usual small talk about who had died, who was dying, and who should be killed, when suddenly Louise made a noise that sounded a lot like my father in the bathroom in the morning. Then she lurched from the panty hose, flew around the room twice, and fell in a heap in front of the sofa. The cat screamed. I passed cranberry sauce through my nose, and Grandpa ran across the room, fell to his knees, and began administering mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. My brother fell back over his chair and wet his pants and Granny threw down her napkin, stomped out of the room, and sat in the car. It was indeed a Christmas to treasure and remember. Later in my mother's garage, we conducted a thorough examination to decide the cause of Louise's collapse. We discovered that Louise had suffered from a hot ember to the back of her right thigh. Fortunately, thanks to a wonder drug called duct tape, we restored her to perfect health. Louise went on to star in several bachelor party movies. I think Grandpa still calls her whenever he can get out of the house. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 12:31:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHVw31029446 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:31:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQHVJkm001130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQHUor6097864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHUoHu077764; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHUmoJ077708 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1634533mue.2 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:30:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=7r+6FiK8XZINEPxS3vclJtv08tbvCBfVo8La8Qef8vQ=; b=BQW0vlwvz2I0gj73mqyyfFmGaX7ijDsJMUu9sISoKkfQibLwjboqiaaOW/miilyoagpmeoydHTlYCQu/f358RR2mHeHmx5whS0WlrLeWSab9GuOp4YxdpkYliyDp4fZVJCTH4gWvn6dTlwFH2sSJhBbNFT1A6sL7WMTXJvHuEUE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=c4mxmPuI39Cq1nYhjUzv+8mFRl95BI/XyY2spIsGA43F0fLcvqVVjndIQy/IbHuyL8I7ap8A3yIns10LCoWWGbDR2T72njiv5dMAYMJup+PT0YiZSsqXrq3Ur0kupi/Ycv4sqfOB5ekt/4sKVVM87mAZpyowTaOLvJC3OvtRK9c= Received: by 10.78.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr8379762hud.19.1198690247420; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.44.18 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:30:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190712260930p4b68681aq41e057494cc503a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:30:47 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cae25bf8-f6d2-4502-bcf5-e678def50aa0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47728FE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Dec 26, 2007 9:49 AM, wrote: Costume related, I got the Janet Arnold book on 19th and early 20th c. costume patterns, some fingerless gloves (EXCELLENT for use in cold offices), and time to do some sewing. I've also got the "Dress at the Court of Henry VIII" but it hasn't arrived yet. Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth beachwear!) Allison T. > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:43:37 -0800 > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Aren't we having annual discussion? > > I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like > olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments > of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. > > Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, > seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a > bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region > DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 12:36:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHaqNd029557 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:36:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQHaLrU020572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:36:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQHa6nx098384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHa5rH083231; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQHa2TL083075 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c21.11f0dd98 (30738) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:35:28 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:35:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5bd75e93-3139-45b3-9e53-96b0e866e9da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47729115.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/26/2007 12:33:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, athurman@gmail.com writes: Burton's "Sweeney Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth beachwear!) ******************* Another Coleen Atwood design extravaganza! I can't wait to see it. I love her stuff. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 13:03:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQI3EUX030066 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:03:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQI2gap031568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQI2A3q001707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQI29tU010820; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQI25KF010640 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce4.246c2522 (37555) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D41 (fwm-d41.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.17]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-92b34772971526; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:01:57 -0500 References: <7d21ac190712260930p4b68681aq41e057494cc503a@mail.gmail.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:01:57 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190712260930p4b68681aq41e057494cc503a@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:01:57 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA16008A0C1039-8F8-3446@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 051296a4-df59-4def-9e1a-ff5c4a501a8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47729742.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:02:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth beachwear!) Also really fun costumes in "Enchanted," which we finally got to see Saturday.? ("Sweeney Todd" and "Book of Secrets" are both on my list, too.) Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: A. Thurman To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:30 pm Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume related Christmas gifts On Dec 26, 2007 9:49 AM, wrote: Costume related, I got the Janet Arnold book on 19th and early 20th c. costume patterns, some fingerless gloves (EXCELLENT for use in cold offices), and time to do some sewing. I've also got the "Dress at the Court of Henry VIII" but it hasn't arrived yet. Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth beachwear!) Allison T. > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:43:37 -0800 > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Aren't we having annual discussion? > > I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like > olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments > of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. > > Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, > seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a > bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region > DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 13:04:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQI4qLS030113 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:04:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQI4JSY019551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:04:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQI42X4001837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQI41JD012631; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:04:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQI3vmB012494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:04:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBQI3qol024012 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:03:52 -0500 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JTO00AHD4JV0C10@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:57:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:03:48 -0500 From: Kate Pinner Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts In-reply-to: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <002601c847e9$aa1b5850$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AchHLaP2tD//LKiXRH6EjnxcUpTrxQAu48Vw References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5193 signatures=357448 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4da046ed-6f69-4b26-81e1-de45fffff289 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477297A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:04:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Kyoto museum book (which my sis-in-law's puppies promptly chewed the dust jacket off), and we're going into the city (NYC) tonight to see Kevin Kline in 'Cyrano' and in March to to see 'Sunday in the Park with George' -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:44 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Aren't we having annual discussion? I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie. Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP). Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltpress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 14:09:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQJ9GwM031138 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:09:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQJ8jqh000691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:08:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQJ7Tsx010432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQJ7PgB085798; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBQJ7Kr7085619 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDZFKT7AWF4VB2 for (sender ); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:06:37 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhghvXGCLd03cd3C1gwOJgQA4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M7WLHE7K; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:04:03 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:03:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas dinner story...waaaay OT Message-ID: <20071226.110340.3696.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2091045687 X-MAIL-INFO: 25b3eb1fa737e39b13f75a9bd3d73f5eaf5fbb97ab X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a5263b6-fb06-4aa0-a13e-d9d9869d7f22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4772A6BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:08:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ok, Albert--that one needed a "Norking through the Nose" warning! LOL!!! Arlys On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:26:46 EST AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > This was posted on the AOL Classical Music boards [we talk about > everything]. > > ************************* > > This is an article submitted to a 1999 Louisville Sentinel contest > to find > out who had the wildest Christmas dinner. This won first prize. [snip] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 17:32:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQMWP64003533 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:32:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQMVirL024736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:31:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBQMUfwI034092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQMUY8m017954; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:30:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQMUUap017817 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:30:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lBQMUPP05420 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:30:25 -0500 From: "Althea Turner" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:30:25 -0500 Message-Id: <20071226223025.M72368@alfalfapress.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> References: <200712261449.lBQEn1nw096324@net.indra.com> <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.71 20021114 X-OriginatingIP: 206.192.237.46 (alfalfapress@alfalfapress.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf6f6d97-775a-4d50-b5d2-8f89033dad1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4772D650.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello Ruth, Would this not fall under "fair use?" I would like a copy of a particular page for academic reasons. I'm not asking for the whole book and I don't intend to post the page on the web. It's seems counter-productive to not allow academic use of published materials, especially in light of the extremely high price of the book. Althea On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0000, Ruth Bean wrote > Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original > copies of Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. > Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is > no right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others > without permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not > authorised any display of Alcega patterns on line either. > > Ruth Bean > Ruth Bean Publishers > ruthbean@onetel.com > > -----Original message----- > | Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700 > | From: "Wicked Frau" > | Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > | To: "'Historical Costume'" > | Message-ID: > | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > | > | Of course I will...any other takers? > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Sharon Henderson | Sent: Monday, > December 24, 2007 2:50 PM | To: h-costume@indra.com | Subject: [h- > cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | *lower lip wibbles* > | > | And... and... you aren't gonna share?? > | > | :) > | Meli > | > | > | Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700 > | From: "Wicked Frau" > | > | Done! :) Responded off list... > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Althea Turner | Sent: Sunday, > December 23, 2007 12:11 PM | To: Historical Costume | Subject: [h- > cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | Hello! | Does > anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or | > would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around > the | intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! | Happy Holidays! > | Althea | _______________________________________________ | > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume *** Directory of Diverse Knowledge http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 21:48:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBR2mwTJ008096 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:48:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBR2mL30031580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:48:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBR2lDww065728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBR2l96u049635; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:47:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBR2l5tS049525 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=dDwEvA4irLep9LS8j0Q1DYkhNQfj6p9JQVumBL4EmRhV2W5U7qtw7O0zcbJ6Ok/S; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.121.52.153] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1J7ilw-0000Q2-2d for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:47:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20071226223025.M72368@alfalfapress.com> References: <200712261449.lBQEn1nw096324@net.indra.com> <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> <20071226223025.M72368@alfalfapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F8C442A-5C56-44AB-A8BA-D65323ED9928@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:44:03 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cd4cd409162fb64f849bbad145d7c2cd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.121.52.153 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Copyright AGAIN (WAS: Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83b72a43-992b-4ccf-ac21-9ed01b04b5af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47731275.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:48:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Dec 26, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Althea Turner wrote: > Hello Ruth, > Would this not fall under "fair use?" I would like a copy of a > particular > page for academic reasons. I'm not asking for the whole book and I > don't > intend to post the page on the web. It's seems counter-productive > to not > allow academic use of published materials, especially in light of the > extremely high price of the book. > > Althea > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0000, Ruth Bean wrote >> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original >> copies of Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. >> Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is >> no right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others >> without permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not >> authorised any display of Alcega patterns on line either. Please, can we not get into THAT discussion again here? I am not the list moderator, but...... About every three to six months on this list, someone asks about sharing copies of something, and it leads into an extended exchange of conflicting, passionate posts about what exactly the copyright laws DO say, what they SHOULD say, what's right, what's wrong, what's fair and unfair, legal and illegal..... and it can go on for weeks. Of course we are always getting new people on the list (welcome, new people!) who haven't been through one of these yet, so it's quite understandable that the topic will be brought up from time to time. But I hope that before discussing this yet again, people will first re-read the previous discussions in the archives. The most recent one was in October 2007, I think. You can search this list's archives at: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ The only drawback to this search site is that it only searches message headers, not text, and threads about copyright often don't have that in the subject header. I *think* most of the October discussion was in a thread called "costume photos". Or go directly to the October archive here and search on "copyright": http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/hcos07/10hcos07.cl I, personally, would make a mild suggestion that anyone who wants to correspond about sharing or copying information would do well to send their e-mails on the subject directly to other list members, rather than to the list as a whole. In most e-mail programs it's fairly easy to control what address appears in the "To:" line. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 26 22:46:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBR3kFF7008659 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:46:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBR3jiaE014015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:45:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBR3jHaF071246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBR3jGjr092059; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBR3jDjW092009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.178] (dial-209-148-101-178.sonic.net [209.148.101.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBR3jCtP007421 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:45:12 -0800 Message-ID: <47731FD0.4050206@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:45:20 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Copyright AGAIN (WAS: Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe) References: <200712261449.lBQEn1nw096324@net.indra.com> <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> <20071226223025.M72368@alfalfapress.com> <1F8C442A-5C56-44AB-A8BA-D65323ED9928@igc.org> In-Reply-To: <1F8C442A-5C56-44AB-A8BA-D65323ED9928@igc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51b73d8b-74d3-4931-bace-ccbb18b5a36f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47731FE8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:45:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Please, can we not get into THAT discussion again here? > > I am not the list moderator, but...... About every three to six months > on this list, someone asks about sharing copies of something, and it > leads into an extended exchange of conflicting, passionate posts about > what exactly the copyright laws DO say, what they SHOULD say, what's > right, what's wrong, what's fair and unfair, legal and illegal..... and > it can go on for weeks. > If Ruth Bean as publisher is the copyright owner, first bear in mind that the book was copyrighted under UK law which is not identical to US copyright law. Previous discussions based on US copyright law do not necessarily apply. Second, if Ruth Bean is the copyright owner, then she has the power to give or withhold permission, and she seems to be right here to ask. Meaning there is no need for an extended discussion. That does not mean I think copyright discussions are inappropriate merely because you are tired of them, but having the copyright owner right there to ask cuts right to the chase. I assume she knows exactly what she registered for protection under UK law. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 27 07:51:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRCpBFZ006711 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:51:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBRCoY2k016715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBRCnOOl026514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRCnGxK033516; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:49:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBQJVrHM013550 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by alexander.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id DFBF85233; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.157) with Concentric Web Mail; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:31:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200712261900.lBQJ02eK077369@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20071226193152.DFBF85233@alexander.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aed49ea4-be0c-4353-99fa-8766123316e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47739F9A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:50:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ---- wrote: > Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney > Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth > beachwear!) >=20 > Allison T. I got to see the Preview in San Diego on 12/13 sponsored by the local Goth = group. I took my daughter who still hasn't gotten her driver's license. Y= es, DD dressed me up, but I didn't do the weird makeup. I can tell you I w= as a bit nervous thinking I'd be the only "normal" person there. Fortunate= ly the most outlandish ones were people I already knew so I was OK . I = hear the picture is already up for multiple awards...but not from me. I tr= ied to concentrate on the costumes and ignore the gore. The goth beachwear= *WAS* a crackup. One of the few scenes where bright color was used. Julie in Ramona _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 27 07:51:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRCpKbs006716 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:51:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBRCokqG032012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:50:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBRCoAvQ026722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRCo8Uk034339; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBQLJ5rg036650 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200712262119.lBQLJ5rg036650@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Dec 2007 21:18:59 -0000 Received: from p548E78F1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.120.241] by mail.gmx.net (mp046) with SMTP; 26 Dec 2007 22:18:59 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+9/asMPtS9RZoOKrRtQFGQbx2bjVX3Z4PXJyEnEr Dvh4JxLgbkJ2Q+ X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:18:57 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: RE: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating In-Reply-To: References: <200712202337.lBKNbkgI055060@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c52c33f-8bf9-47ee-ba12-3ebf1d6878ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47739FA6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:50:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks, that sounds like a good guess. The=20 "Felterer" got quite a lot of money for making=20 those pleats, so maybe it was done with basting=20 threads and was expensive because it took such a=20 long time to make. I was also thinking that the=20 pleating boards were sort of "spacers" to get=20 even distances between the gathering threads or=20 so. I will ask at the German Ren list after the holidays as well. Hanna At 16:09 24.12.2007, you wrote: >I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably >basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed. Don't= know >that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater... > >http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters (Scroll down). > >Sg > >For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo= group. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann >Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating > >Hello, > >has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance >pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions >sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not >cost more than a given price for the "Felterer", >a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and >some household inventories mention pleating >boards and irons. But how exactly would these >pleats have been made? They are so small and yet >look perfectly parallel when you look at this >picture: >http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/D=FCrer,+Albrecht%3A+N=FCrnbergerin+im+Hau= sklei >d+%5B1%5D >I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you? > >How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the= stage? > >Best wishes, >Hanna > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 27 12:29:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRHTjEb015589 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:29:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBRHT6iu017242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:29:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBRHRtUa066404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRHRima048768; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBRHReVp048559 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:27:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:27:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 75.174.193.100 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:27:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AchH4x2cl6mFg2k0QFGRrHGV5ELpbwAyDl9A In-Reply-To: <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2007 17:27:35.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[C53472B0:01C848AD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d6cbc4e-3ea5-45cd-b97b-6c1ab55794c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4773E0E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:29:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sigh...my fault. No excuses; my most sincere apologies to Ruth. Sorry everyone else, you'll have to order the book through interlibrary loan and make your own copies. I believe then, as long as you don't share them, you will be okay under the fair use rules. Sg (aka Wicked Frau) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Bean Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 10:14 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original copies of Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is no right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others without permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not authorised any display of Alcega patterns on line either. Ruth Bean Ruth Bean Publishers ruthbean@onetel.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 27 23:33:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS4XfhY005129 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:33:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBS4X2KB001066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBS4VqDJ046894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS4VhF7050744; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS4VegR050697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lBS4VdsE022589 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:31:39 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:39:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64dbcd06-1d6a-4a16-9d4d-edd561d89c3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47747C7E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just so you know that Ruth isn't being the Dog in the Manger about this, the book is currently in print and for sale. David Brown Books (look under Oxbow books for those in the US) has: Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589: Libro De Geometria, Pratica Y Traca http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/40289/OnlyResult/Yes This book presents a facsimile of Juan de Alcega's Spanish tailor's guide from the late 16th century, which `sets out the complicated calculations needed for adapting measurements in the days when cloth and other materials were woven in many standard widths'. It also describes and illustrated methods of tailoring and cutting and provides tables to help the tailor calculate the amount of cloth required for different garments for men and women. The facsimile is followed by an illustrated English translation and a glossary. 88p plus 66p, b/w illus (Ruth Bean rep 2000, 2004) Price $65. No I don't think this is anywhere near too expensive for the wonderful work the author/editors put into it. I have several books that are of far less value that cost me more. I blew up the pieces for the Spanish robe for a friend of mine several years ago. We tried to use the correct numbers and sizes. He is 5'10", it fit perfectly. I am so glad that Ms Bean put this out on her own rather than letting the usual big printing organization decide it's doom or not. I know we have all had the frustration of works like this being swept away on the tides of greed and disinterest. It's nice to see that it can be published and made available without the blessings of Thames and Hudson or Oxford University Press. Buy it, for a wonder you actually can! You will like it! :-) Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Wicked Frau > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:28 AM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Sigh...my fault. > > No excuses; my most sincere apologies to Ruth. > > Sorry everyone else, you'll have to order the book through > interlibrary loan > and make your own copies. I believe then, as long as you don't > share them, > you will be okay under the fair use rules. > > Sg (aka Wicked Frau) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 27 23:43:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS4hbkm005366 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:43:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBS4gvtM013495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:43:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBS4fsPO049159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS4fsPP059536; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS4foxC059425 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (68-186-23-14.dhcp.lncn.or.charter.com [68.186.23.14]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lBS4fiC28618 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:41:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <19E3DF6B-D5A3-48C0-B622-D704766E4419@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:41:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e747a3a-8470-4d5e-a23d-907c4845c75a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47747ED1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:43:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello Wanda, Where did you find it for that price? I've only seen available online for about $150, which is out of my price range. If it is available for $65, I'd be happy to buy it. Really really happy. thank you! Althea On Dec 27, 2007, at 8:39 PM, Wanda Pease wrote: > women. The facsimile is followed by an illustrated English > translation and a > glossary. 88p plus 66p, b/w illus (Ruth Bean rep 2000, 2004) Price > $65. Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R. Murrow _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 28 00:22:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS5MulH006924 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:22:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBS5MJTd007024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBS5Ls5V052868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS5LqiZ089096; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:21:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBS5LnKW089056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lBS5Lmoh020151 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:21:48 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:29:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19E3DF6B-D5A3-48C0-B622-D704766E4419@alfalfapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e2e9cf1-2847-4aff-840a-23157aef88a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4774880B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Go to www.oxbowbooks.com . Choose "Click here for US Pricing". Put Alcega into the Search box and you get: Tailor's Pattern Book 1589 by Juan de Alcega This book presents a facsimile of Juan de Alcega's Spanish tailor's guide from the late 16th century, which `sets out the complicated calculations needed for adapting measurements in the days when cloth and other materials were woven in many standard widths'. It also describes and illustrated methods of tailoring and cutting and provides tables to help the tailor calculate the amount of cloth required for different garments for men and women. The facsimile is followed by an illustrated English translation and a glossary. 88p plus 66p, b/w illus (Ruth Bean rep 2000, 2004) ISBN-13: 978-0-903585-31-6 ISBN-10: 0-903585-31-6 Paperback. Price US $65.00 Personally, when I saw it had come out again I bought 3 copies just so the publisher/distributor (in this case David Brown is the US distributor I think) would know that there were people able and willing to buy such a title. At that time it was $40.00 since I got the pre-printing distribution discount. Since then I have earned a spot on the David Brown Marketing Manager's e-mail list which is guanines to deplete your bank account in a hurry! He asked if I thought that another 200 of the Moda di Firenzie could be sold or if the market had been saturated... I laughed. It is also there for sale at $90.00 and he is very happy with the sales figures. The Inventories of Henry VIII, edited by David Starky are also there for $84 and the new Dress in the Court of Henry VIII, for $96 for the Very Nice paperback. The 1542 Inventory of Whitehall: The Palace and its Keeper, by Maria Hayward is also there, but at $320 it is a trifle steep, but there are two volumes 8-0) (that's the sign that I lost control and bought a set for myself). Something to spend that Christmas bonus on! Wanda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 28 07:39:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBSCdOFd008715 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:39:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBSCcqC1022330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBSCaTgI098537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:36:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBSCaQb9052924; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBSCaKHn052730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:36:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthbean@onetel.com) Received: from [83.216.128.118] (helo=AXIS) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1J8ERh-00051E-U1 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:36:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c8494e$4b862b60$0400a8c0@AXIS> From: "Ruth Bean" To: References: <200712271900.lBRJ0PMp064260@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:36:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27998638-5f97-4727-b0b5-cfbbca51682b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4774EE5C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello Althea, Chris, Fran & Saragrace. Thank you for your comments. Copyright is of course a reality which won't go away, but we have no intention of starting a speculative discussion! As Fran points out we need to focus only on this particular case. We saw no problem in the case of Saragrace kindly helping out Althea, but then, in response to Sharon's ''And... and... you aren't gonna share??" the offer was extended to the whole list, which took it well beyond the realm of 'fair dealing', and naturally concerned us. Saragrace has now withdrawn this offer so we are happy to consider the matter closed. Ruth Bean Ruth Bean Publishers ruthbean@onetel.com | || | > -----Original message----- | > | Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700 | > | From: "Wicked Frau" | > | Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | > | To: "'Historical Costume'" | > | Message-ID: | > | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" | > | | > | Of course I will...any other takers? | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- | > bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Sharon Henderson | Sent: Monday, | > December 24, 2007 2:50 PM | To: h-costume@indra.com | Subject: [h- | > cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | *lower lip wibbles* | > | | > | And... and... you aren't gonna share?? | > | | > | :) | > | Meli | > | | > | | > | Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700 | > | From: "Wicked Frau" | > | | > | Done! :) Responded off list... | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- | > bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Althea Turner | Sent: Sunday, | > December 23, 2007 12:11 PM | To: Historical Costume | Subject: [h- | > cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | Hello! | Does | > anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or | | > would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around | > the | intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! | Happy Holidays! | > | Althea | _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 28 15:23:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBSKNnDM018106 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:23:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBSKNHuh020785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:23:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBSKM83E087722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBSKM4gR015251; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBSHoHb5028197 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:50:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so2914145rvf.11 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VMqfpWdYiS+aAy5KIxG+OLReAZy9bkfF/7jXZCunpq4=; b=umbUHAxXgnkBMNF9ZWh35FC4JxvoXJRPLy6u60h3e0rJ6Bo7KY2QxDaYI6xZAuaNnIk/KOCIEfH7t7XVHqddH6k4A3NrmBXbmZPRRPgQuMHj21/1kl+53SSVDLyih+7QlzlqwvhRaoV+L1aYrcPtAKIxDdZKVMxhWsJ6aiUsXIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MXgDozwyrMixQfhSYfsO4jEuXbZBgvTrQvswiPdBzCRZxDCOZWM57p9v8lySpnwLemTZTVhj8WTTTMMRouFtY7l8hLSTEEQHwFRG3IwPn2xNUEnia2Ayi18RYuX31sv/0LDs+E+VhMc9yaL1AXTZxbBMePUoVtVJoCNwVgHYlZQ= Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr4907835rvi.183.1198864215879; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.148.6 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:50:15 -0500 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe In-Reply-To: <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200712261449.lBQEn1nw096324@net.indra.com> <000601c847e2$a51cfae0$0400a8c0@AXIS> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93166e8d-1faa-45e7-b2ad-79015e128601 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47755B35.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:23:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Dec 26, 2007 12:13 PM, Ruth Bean wrote: > Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original copies of > Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. > Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is no > right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others without > permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not authorised any > display of Alcega patterns on line either. > I have a copy of the original copied from microfilm, complete with waterspots. Unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned it yet. She says she will have it back within a week, if the mail allows. We will see. Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 29 10:14:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBTFEwhg024501 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:14:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBTFEPue024686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:14:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBTFDHJ9001701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBTFDCYF076701; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBTFD8wi076633 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071229151306.DCSG18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:13:06 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.201]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071229151306.KRPD29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:13:06 +0100 Message-ID: <20071229151306.KRPD29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071224151007.TJWD5833.fep27.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:13:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.201] at Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:13:06 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <008101c84a2d$5058a6b0$c914a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bbc9df95-96ff-4fef-8a79-9dabcfd428ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47766451.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, Or perhaps they used sticks? Sticks as long as the pleating was going to be like, you know, lye one under, then one over and so on. This method is used for some of the headwears, that pheassant women in Denmark used. Done with wet water, and taken up again when dry? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed. Don't know that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater... http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters (Scroll down). Sg For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo group. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating Hello, has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not cost more than a given price for the "Felterer", a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and some household inventories mention pleating boards and irons. But how exactly would these pleats have been made? They are so small and yet look perfectly parallel when you look at this picture: http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Dürer,+Albrecht%3A+Nürnbergerin+im+Hausklei d+%5B1%5D I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you? How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the stage? Best wishes, Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 29 15:26:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBTKQo9k030830 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:26:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBTKQFe8001363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBTKP09J039498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:25:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBTKOqOP061751; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lBTKOltL061573 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from H.Zickermann@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 7128 invoked by uid 0); 29 Dec 2007 20:24:42 -0000 Received: from 62.153.200.138 by www116.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:24:42 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:24:42 +0100 From: "Hanna Zickermann" In-Reply-To: <20071229151306.KRPD29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <20071229202442.226360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20071224151007.TJWD5833.fep27.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20071229151306.KRPD29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating To: Historical Costume X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/h1s9f8dfh0q3ipCnGuz1uGux+pLBQ/MVuPvQ70I pp3qNfLer+Q8NXdStnvogW8lwsM+NZ+JzgAg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Xek8ACQ/a2AodL65aHUyr4A6OWhhakft X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b88d893c-d2db-4732-94ee-f6bdbb51ade8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4776AD67.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gunvor and Bjarne, thank you so much for your ideas and that wonderful link. I am on a vacation with not so much internet access, but the first brief look at the Norwegian technique was just so interesting! Happy new year everone! Hanna -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:13:03 +0100 > Von: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" > An: "Historical Costume" > Betreff: Re: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating > Hi, > Or perhaps they used sticks? Sticks as long as the pleating was going to > be > like, you know, lye one under, then one over and so on. > This method is used for some of the headwears, that pheassant women in > Denmark used. > Done with wet water, and taken up again when dry? > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wicked Frau" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:09 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating > > > I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably > basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed. Don't > know > that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater... > > http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters (Scroll down). > > Sg > > For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo > group. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating > > Hello, > > has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance > pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions > sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not > cost more than a given price for the "Felterer", > a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and > some household inventories mention pleating > boards and irons. But how exactly would these > pleats have been made? They are so small and yet > look perfectly parallel when you look at this > picture: > http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Dürer,+Albrecht%3A+Nürnbergerin+im+Hausklei > d+%5B1%5D > I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you? > > How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the > stage? > > Best wishes, > Hanna > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 30 11:40:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBUGeoo8006981 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:40:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBUGeHrP003161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:40:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBUGd7Iw063821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBUGcw8t045261; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBUGcrmF045130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 82C0D2C80F1 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:38:48 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsrnkYE25X5I for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:38:40 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (host-84-9-120-195.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.120.195]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 7C0B32C805E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:38:38 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200712261449.lBQEn19C096325@net.indra.com> References: <200712261449.lBQEn19C096325@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <84327574-B14A-4F8D-8599-8BDE440315A7@qmul.ac.uk> From: Hilary Davidson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:12:30 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 688ab633-c238-4fe8-a7e8-e3b93192ed2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4777C9F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mmmmm... 8 metres of 52 cm wide new (as in not vintage) unbleached hand woven linen from a wonderful friend. One of the best presents ever. And lots of gold and white damask in a pomegranate pattern, plus some reticella lace (though I bought them for myself from eBay, they arrived with Christmas timeliness). Off topic (and sorry if this has been answered before): is there any way to make the digest not contain two copies of each message? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 30 11:56:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBUGum1l007299 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:56:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBUGuFng021347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:56:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBUGtlLU067485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBUGtl7s060009; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBUGtekF059862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id CC7E32C80E7 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:55:36 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzxxB-yjk01j for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:55:24 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (host-84-9-120-195.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.120.195]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 6C8862C80DE for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:55:09 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200712281900.lBSJ04Ze014784@net.indra.com> References: <200712281900.lBSJ04Ze014784@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Hilary Davidson Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:55:34 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25f6925c-4bcd-41ce-a92c-9c959053736a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4777CDAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can I just add that anyone who doesn't have a copy of this marvellous book should really think about getting one as a standard reference if they work on the 16th century, much like Janet Arnold's. I've had my copy for about 8 years now, and it's one of the most useful books I've ever had (and the only good reminder of the ex who bought it for me...). If the house was burning down, I would seriously grab my now- annotated copy as one of the few things I took with me. The more I read it, the more I get out of it and am grateful to the scholarship and care that went into the translation, and making and keeping it available in print. I have a copy of the Spanish reprint, which is interesting for keeping the original format, and for some comments in the introduction, but nowhere near as helpful. Ok, off my soapbox now. Happy New Year to all. > Hilary > > From: "Bonnie Booker" > Date: 28 December 2007 5.50.15 pm GMT > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > On Dec 26, 2007 12:13 PM, Ruth Bean wrote: >> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original >> copies of >> Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. >> Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there >> is no >> right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others >> without >> permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not >> authorised any >> display of Alcega patterns on line either. >> > > I have a copy of the original copied from microfilm, complete with > waterspots. Unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned > it yet. She says she will have it back within a week, if the mail > allows. We will see. > Aspasia Moonwind > > On Dec 26, 2007 12:13 PM, Ruth Bean wrote: >> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original >> copies of >> Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here. >> Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there >> is no >> right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others >> without >> permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not >> authorised any >> display of Alcega patterns on line either. >> > > I have a copy of the original copied from microfilm, complete with > waterspots. Unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned > it yet. She says she will have it back within a week, if the mail > allows. We will see. > Aspasia Moonwind > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 30 20:13:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV1DqVG021681 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:13:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBV1DGOO014904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBV1CB96019809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV1BbMd058140; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV1AWCv057464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-143-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.143]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lBV1ASLn023726 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:10:30 +1100 Message-ID: <002b01c84b49$eec71760$8ff0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47715D69.9040801@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:10:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5304/Mon Dec 31 11:52:10 2007 on mail8.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07ef4874-43e1-4fa0-97f1-c176fb5d7bbb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4778422C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:13:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Aren't we having annual discussion? > My only directly costume related gift was a pair of pearl earrings, when I started looking for earrings I was surprised how difficult it was to find something plain, everything seemed to have extra decoration but my sister found pretty much what I wanted (the hook was silver and I would have preferred gold, but it's just a simple shepherd's hook so it doesn't stand out). I was also going to get a pair of shoes I could use for costuming purposes (plain ballet flats work for most of the 1st half of the 19th century) but couldn't find any that fit properly. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 30 23:14:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV4Eoqs026058 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:14:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBV4EHkH001924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBV4DCXs034131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV4D8vX067410; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV4D3VE067360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-119.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBV4D2dr011651 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:13:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200712261449.lBQEn19B096325@net.indra.com> References: <200712261449.lBQEn19B096325@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:12:58 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5307/Sun Dec 30 19:25:49 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc9f82d8-a6ea-4159-b787-ec9cb45b5e1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47786C99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:14:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My family is, apparently, no longer willing to feed my obsession with historic costuming. :-) I received several nice gifts of jewellery and clothing (suitable for office wear) and some lotion, etc. from the Aveda Salon... but not a single book or pattern, or even a gift certificate to Jo-Ann's! The big surprise came a few days before Christmas, when my parents arrived. They walked in carrying a box of "old magazines" and wondered if I wanted them. I am now the proud owner of bound copies of Godey's Lady's Book from 1856 and January-June 1863, plus loose issues May & June 1865 and July 1871, and a bound copy of Peterson's Magazine from 1881. I was stunned! They are all in rather fragile condition with broken spines, pages torn and stained -- and I was distressed to see that someone had cut out many of the articles in the 1856 volume. (My mother couldn't remember which side of the family she inherited them from, or when. Maybe it's better if I don't know!) Also, someone used the back of some of the plates to work on their arithmetic homework but at least it's in pencil. I suppose there are cleaner copies available electronically for all of these volumes but I'm thrilled to think that I have my very own paper copies. I'll be making photocopies of the "ballads" that appear at the beginning of each volume and I'll probably try to construct some of the accessories... March 1856 has something called a "Polka Jacket trimmed with imitation ermine" that I find strangely appealing... you have been warned! ;-) Suzanne [who mostly does 15th & 16th C. but has started dabbling in the mid-19th C. since moving to Iowa last year] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 31 04:35:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV9Zr7J000905 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:35:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBV9ZIi5015441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:35:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBV9Xlmq057460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV9XieC057169; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lBV9XfVM057149 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so3719686rvf.11 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:33:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KA7dxCUZEdlL02BJdeYhUhEbZ8xpqbQlbURWZhwlYic=; b=fC3gulLsPlmnn0IaAjW2V9/GBe3PKFSgMMiyFAQffpMlR3UWP3SVOpz/kvVz1WL5i/5ZAh9zB7F4GtLvSZ8txnYx/EyL2TnzIL5dHDLJtIbP35GM8P13tsCE9At9zc0/YI1RrpBoiFLKvw9UGFFM2HLiqFcQG6IMX+uZ3iEdEow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QogtGDid/RQj9EfTIGset6Sqee81tlqWjU+V9uiafbJkrLVA3nR05BmiTZD8bW5dcfU3b0sgNGtMxQ1O/zuat6Jr3ryr7W0gEzw2XW1O/PEWh6U8WGBzzIuUIWDKniPlt6Uon8Mt+TFNPKHVr7LQJCMh2W6NUsDxbb6TBMN1q8k= Received: by 10.140.251.1 with SMTP id y1mr3885272rvh.102.1199093621147; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.40.14 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:33:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90712310133w2d35dd79h19fcca249c3a5db8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:33:41 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200712261449.lBQEn19B096325@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67c0b4e1-4d5b-4579-99c5-f7f0b2231583 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4778B7D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:35:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Godey's books attract big prices on eBay, they are so hard to get. Congratulations on your present. Sidney On Dec 31, 2007 2:12 PM, Suzanne wrote: > My family is, apparently, no longer willing to feed my obsession with > historic costuming. :-) I received several nice gifts of jewellery > and clothing (suitable for office wear) and some lotion, etc. from > the Aveda Salon... but not a single book or pattern, or even a gift > certificate to Jo-Ann's! > > The big surprise came a few days before Christmas, when my parents > arrived. They walked in carrying a box of "old magazines" and > wondered if I wanted them. I am now the proud owner of bound copies > of Godey's Lady's Book from 1856 and January-June 1863, plus loose > issues May & June 1865 and July 1871, and a bound copy of Peterson's > Magazine from 1881. I was stunned! They are all in rather fragile > condition with broken spines, pages torn and stained -- and I was > distressed to see that someone had cut out many of the articles in > the 1856 volume. (My mother couldn't remember which side of the > family she inherited them from, or when. Maybe it's better if I > don't know!) Also, someone used the back of some of the plates to > work on their arithmetic homework but at least it's in pencil. I > suppose there are cleaner copies available electronically for all of > these volumes but I'm thrilled to think that I have my very own paper > copies. I'll be making photocopies of the "ballads" that appear at > the beginning of each volume and I'll probably try to construct some > of the accessories... March 1856 has something called a "Polka Jacket > trimmed with imitation ermine" that I find strangely appealing... > you have been warned! ;-) > > Suzanne > [who mostly does 15th & 16th C. but has started dabbling in the > mid-19th C. since moving to Iowa last year] > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 31 19:36:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m010ajGB015843 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:36:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m010a3xO015215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:36:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m010Yn2H071047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m010Yi9h090354; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m010YfjI090277 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d33.1f0895d7 (30740) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:34:30 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:34:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 791d82d7-7cfc-42d5-b354-5c21560deb4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47798AF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:36:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,WHOIS_PRIVPROT autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/30/2007 8:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I was also going to get a pair of shoes I could use for costuming purposes (plain ballet flats work for most of the 1st half of the 19th century) but couldn't find any that fit properly. Elizabeth If you are in the US, try _www.auditions.com_ (http://www.auditions.com) . They have a plain ballet flat that comes in a number of colors and sizes. Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 31 19:37:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m010b4Dk015849 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:37:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m010aUqI025248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:36:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m010aCIJ071255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m010aB0J091332; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m010a8ba091230 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cbf.1cb58ec5 (30740) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:35:59 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:35:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5cc6dd1-79cb-43a3-9219-d56da716037e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47798B0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:36:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/30/2007 8:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I was also going to get a pair of shoes I could use for costuming purposes (plain ballet flats work for most of the 1st half of the 19th century) but couldn't find any that fit properly. Elizabeth Whoops--sorry--just saw you AREN'T in the US! My bad. Can you make do with a pair of regular ballet slippers? I bought a pair at my local dance shop to get started with before I found the Auditions catalogue, which has a slightly more substantial style with a very small heel. Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 31 22:20:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m013KL5H020429 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:20:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m013JlRv004657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:19:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m013IgYP085986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m013IWKE075836; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m013ITVo075797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m013IS1l029141; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:18:28 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" , "SCA-GARB" Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:25:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I love the Pendleton Outlet :-) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a39d05ab-f68b-4c9a-885e-134194d4930b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4779B153.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:19:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Today was the last day of some friend's visit so we decided to go to Washougal, a tiny town on the Columbia River, Washington Side. Sigh! Everything seemed to be on sale although we were dragged by mental chains to the fabric section. All $3.95 a yard, and 25% off of that... Purr. The $3.95 fabric there isn't really as unusual as it sounds. They also had some flat fold 3 and 4 years stuff for $1.95. Even better they have a HUGE selection of buttons (think of a post office package trailer about 3/4ths full). Good thing we had the munchies or we would have had to take a look at what the New Year would have had for us at the other store in Portland. Beautiful Cobalt blue, teal, dried blood red, pink, gold, etc. And we bought it all! Now we need the Sewing House Elf! Next stop JoAnns where I can pick up some 60" fabric cores to wind it all on and set it upright in the attic (no light streaking) in the big plastic tubs. I write what is actually on the core and the amount. Ah! Life is Good! Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey "Live your life so your children can tell their children That you not only stood for something wonderful, But that you acted upon it". Dan Zadra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume