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FYI: I just noticed that there is a sale going on at Past Patterns,
20% DISCOUNT NOV. 23, 2007 TO JANUARY 31, 2008 for all patterns.

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On Nov 30, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Lynn Downward wrote:

> I use milliners' straws sizes 8, 9, or 10 depending on what I'm sewing

I love size 9 milliner's needles.  It's true that they're not right  
for everything, but for most things they're great--very thin and long  
enough that I don't cramp my fingers trying to hold onto them.

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It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and
*then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your
worktable, at the sewing
machine or in the embroidery hoop.
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On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote:
> It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
> New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?

My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this purpose) is 
still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the last time 
this meme came up on the list.  ON the other hand, it's done except for the 
seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that that I 
expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then I can 
start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next.  :-)



-- 
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"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool
than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain
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At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote:
>On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote:
> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> > h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>
>My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this purpose) is
>still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the last time
>this meme came up on the list.  ON the other hand, it's done except for the
>seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that that I
>expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then I can
>start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next.  :-)


Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered 
polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the 
quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. 
The bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under 
the table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need 
to start again.

And this is called retirement?

Suzi

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> And this is called retirement?
>
> Suzi

ABSOLUTELY!  Don't you LOVE it !?!?


My Dummy has an Edwardian blouse and a bustle skirt.  The skirt fits, I=20
am trying to lose enough weight to wear the blouse.  Progress is slow.

Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark
Trail" by Louis L'Amour

On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote:

> At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote:
>> On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote:
>> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company=20
>> dinners,
>> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
>> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
>> > h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
>> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>>
>> My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this=20
>> purpose) is
>> still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the=20
>> last time
>> this meme came up on the list.  ON the other hand, it's done except=20
>> for the
>> seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that=20
>> that I
>> expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then=20
>> I can
>> start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next.  :-)
>
>
> Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered=20
> polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the=20
> quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The=20
> bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the=20
> table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to=20
> start again.
>
> And this is called retirement?
>
> Suzi
>
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Can we get some photos of the work? For those of us who plan but don't get
enough time, it would be great encouragement.


Sidney

On Dec 4, 2007 12:48 PM, Susan Data-Samtak <pasovasz@aol.com> wrote:

> > And this is called retirement?
> >
> > Suzi
>
> ABSOLUTELY!  Don't you LOVE it !?!?
>
>
> My Dummy has an Edwardian blouse and a bustle skirt.  The skirt fits, I
> am trying to lose enough weight to wear the blouse.  Progress is slow.
>
> Susan
>
> "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
> too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark
> Trail" by Louis L'Amour
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote:
>
> > At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote:
> >> On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote:
> >> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company
> >> dinners,
> >> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> >> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> >> > h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> >> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> >>
> >> My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this
> >> purpose) is
> >> still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the
> >> last time
> >> this meme came up on the list.  ON the other hand, it's done except
> >> for the
> >> seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that
> >> that I
> >> expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then
> >> I can
> >> start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next.  :-)
> >
> >
> > Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered
> > polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the
> > quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The
> > bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the
> > table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to
> > start again.
> >
> > And this is called retirement?
> >
> > Suzi
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > h-costume@mail.indra.com
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Greetings,

I have a friend that wants to talk to someone from England about the cost of
living. Please let me know if anyone can help via private email.

Chiara.francesca@gmail.com

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2007/12/4, Cin <cinbarnes@gmail.com>:
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> So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>

Hi!

The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a wedding
coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I won
one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to my
measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his
wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished).

So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have
lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its
specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own
dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more.

And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes to
match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even
convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our
wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able
to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the
question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on
'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance
of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies).
And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning
version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up
with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and  narrow silhouette you
see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits --
http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg,
http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg,
http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreAugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg.

So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress
dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' to
make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of
netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our knees
can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me,
anyway.

Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad
luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German
tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large
pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait until
he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up in
an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation.
(By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress, but
you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch).

All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams"
by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and ideas
which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns.

Love to all
B arb ara M
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Mine is wearing my Empire gown, actually almost finished after redoing the 
bodice piece to something more Georgian and less COPS-like (it had looked 
like the bars covering up the naughty bits on prime time TV). I have a book 
signing on the 8th, so it has to be done by then... For the hell of it, I 
even covered some buttons last night, and will start hemming the acres of 
fabric (I had to make a gown with a train [argh]) tomorrow.

Marjorie

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Mine WAS wearing a Final Fantasy Tactics Summoner costume (black dress 
loosely based on 14th century women's fashion with a green and red 
cloak) before my husband took it off the form.  He needed to take a 
picture of it so his mum could decide if she wanted our spare that was 
the wrong size for me.  The dress and cloak will be going back on the 
form for more work ... after I finish the holiday quilting spree and can 
switch gears again. ^_^;;

--Kristin Stonham
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I'm making one of these:

http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/image.mhtml?image_id=48

But it's not nearly so fancy on the kirtle and has no spangles on the  
ruffs.  The kirtle is of red and dull gold silk damask, and the gown  
is of deep red silk velvet.  The partlet, sleeves, and gown lining  
are a white silk with sheer and flowered satin stripes.  I have a  
French hood, but I might make a hat to wear with it instead.

This is a style that was almost completely confined to 1572 and  
1573.  I've found about seven or eight portraits total that depict it.

Someday the new outfit will make it to the website, but don't hold  
your breath.  The only person who takes decent pictures of me lives  
halfway across the country, so updates are infrequent!

Melanie Schuessler
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Queen Maude's Double is wearing the muslins for her wedding gown(thank you 
Fran!); the satin is cut and basted.  The real challenge is going to be the 
wax flowers that border the skirt hem and trim the bodice. I have a 1950s 
nosegay for the florals that will get 'dipped' and attached to some mini 
wired boxwood.  Working in this scale for a 20" doll is tours, wearing her 
Poiret Turendot cloak and changeable coral satin gown.  Her coronet is of 
Eisenberg rhinstones.

Kathleen


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> It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
> New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
> CinBarnes@gmail.com
>
> PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the 
> dummy and
> *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your
> worktable, at the sewing
> machine or in the embroidery hoop.
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How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more
appropriate place than a wedding).

Patty

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2007/12/4, Cin <cinbarnes@gmail.com>:
>
> So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>

Hi!

The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a
wedding
coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I
won
one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to
my
measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model
his
wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished).

So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I
have
lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its
specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own
dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more.

And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes
to
match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even
convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But
our
wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be
able
to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the
question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show
on
'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant
dance
of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the
ladies).
And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning
version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up
with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and  narrow silhouette
you
see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits --
http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg,
http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg,
http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreA
ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg.

So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the
dress
dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip'
to
make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of
netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our
knees
can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me,
anyway.

Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's
bad
luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in
German
tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut
large
pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait
until
he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up
in
an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this
conversation.
(By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress,
but
you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch).

All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your
Dreams"
by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and
ideas
which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns.

Love to all
B arb ara M
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Sorry, some of the script seems to have been ommited...the working scale is 
tedious and Maude is doing a Charity appearance at a local historical house 
for Christmas.."tours..."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" <rmitchell@washjeff.edu>
To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
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> Queen Maude's Double is wearing the muslins for her wedding gown(thank you 
> Fran!); the satin is cut and basted.  The real challenge is going to be 
> the wax flowers that border the skirt hem and trim the bodice. I have a 
> 1950s nosegay for the florals that will get 'dipped' and attached to some 
> mini wired boxwood.  Working in this scale for a 20" doll is tours, 
> wearing her Poiret Turendot cloak and changeable coral satin gown.  Her 
> coronet is of Eisenberg rhinstones.
>
> Kathleen
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cin" <cinbarnes@gmail.com>
> To: "h-cost" <h-costume@indra.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:57 PM
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>
>
>> It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
>> New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
>> planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
>> h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
>> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>> --cin
>> Cynthia Barnes
>> CinBarnes@gmail.com
>>
>> PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the 
>> dummy and
>> *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your
>> worktable, at the sewing
>> machine or in the embroidery hoop.
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I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone 
know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of 
the sleeves?  I have been looking to find this image somewhere else 
online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29

Jennifer


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Well, it's not the dressmaker but the rack in the sewing room (sometimes
affectionately known in our house as The Sweat Shop) is filling with
pieces to be adapted for a show in January.  One of the local community
theaters is doing Gross Indecency: the 3 Trials of Oscar Wilde.  Very
limited budget so I am combing the local thrift stores for pieces that
can be reworked to approximate the 1890s.  Yes, this is the show I was
looking for underwear for awhile back :), still working on that.

Handwork is penny rug-style felt ornaments and, long-range, an
embroidered linen coif.

Catherine
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>So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today?
=20
I might take the prize for oddest:  a commissioned stretch bellydance dress=
 of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal.=
  It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared=
 short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net a=
nd a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom.
=20
It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim an=
d Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the dress=
 that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long...
=20
Richard in MI=
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At 03:35 04/12/2007, you wrote:
>Can we get some photos of the work? For those of us who plan but don't get
>enough time, it would be great encouragement.

Oh, you mean you expect all this stuff to be finished? The only thing 
that has to be finished is the 18th century dress. I'm the one that 
was supposed to finish a silk quilt my great aunt 
started..............during the War (2nd World!) and am still not 
*quite* there yet!

Suzi


>Sidney
>
>On Dec 4, 2007 12:48 PM, Susan Data-Samtak <pasovasz@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > And this is called retirement?
> > >
> > > Suzi
> >
> > ABSOLUTELY!  Don't you LOVE it !?!?
> >
> >
> > My Dummy has an Edwardian blouse and a bustle skirt.  The skirt fits, I
> > am trying to lose enough weight to wear the blouse.  Progress is slow.
> >
> > Susan
> >
> > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
> > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark
> > Trail" by Louis L'Amour
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > At 01:43 04/12/2007, you wrote:
> > >> On Monday 03 December 2007, Cin wrote:
> > >> > It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company
> > >> dinners,
> > >> > New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> > >> > planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> > >> > h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> > >> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> > >>
> > >> My metaphorical "dummy" (the clothes hanger than I use for this
> > >> purpose) is
> > >> still wearing the stand-collared linen shift that I mentioned the
> > >> last time
> > >> this meme came up on the list.  ON the other hand, it's done except
> > >> for the
> > >> seam finishing, and I'm making sufficiently good progress on that
> > >> that I
> > >> expect the thing to be finished before the end of the year, and then
> > >> I can
> > >> start the wool tunic I'm aiming to do next.  :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Mine has an 18th century dress for a dance company, embroidered
> > > polysilk, ruffles, falaballas and all. The embroidery hoop has the
> > > quilted lining for my DIL's work basket, only about 18months late. The
> > > bag by my TV chair has a cardigan in the knit, and the bag under the
> > > table has a crocheted butcher boy cap that I pulled out and need to
> > > start again.
> > >
> > > And this is called retirement?
> > >
> > > Suzi
> > >
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WOW

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>So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today?
=20
I might take the prize for oddest:  a commissioned stretch bellydance
dress of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like
liquid metal.  It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted
bodice, slashed flared short sleeves open to the shoulder, a
tummy-revealing panel of power net and a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet
skirt with lots of flare at the bottom.
=20
It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim
and Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the
dress that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long...
=20
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Since I haven't gotten around to finishing the duct-tape-and-spray-foam 
double yet, I have a workbasket. ;-)

Currently in the workbasket is a veil that I will someday finish hemming, 
and the yellow Moselund dress. I first built this dress back in...2004, I 
think, for Northshield's first Coronation (SCA stuff). It's a gold wool 
tricotine (which is not period, I know, but it was the right finish and 
the right price) 13th c. gown modeled after the Moselund piece. Alas, 
since 2004 I have lost 35 or so pounds and gained 20 back in a different 
distribution (for instance, the bosomage is more substantial than it's 
ever been, somehow). So I am re-engineering the upper part of the gown 
AGAIN so that it fits properly. And I need to wear it on Saturday. ;-)

After that's done, next is a 12th century gown out of dark blue wool with 
rose silk sleeve lining and gold silk trim, red wool hose, and a new 
chemise for the outfit that's actually made of *white* linen this time (as 
opposed to cotton-candy pink, or yellow, or that weird pinkish color that 
Crayola calls "orchid").

My consort complains that I'm never happy with any of my dress patterns. I 
had to point out to him that every time I get a new pattern that I like, I 
change shape enough to render it unusable.

Jen/Pixel/Margaret
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At 08:26 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote:
>I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone 
>know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of 
>the sleeves?  I have been looking to find this image somewhere else 
>online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29
>
>Jennifer


Now that is a cool hat!!  Love the sleeves, too.  Good luck finding 
info, and please keep us posted if you find it of list.

Thanks
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My extra form is coming out of storage to be dressed for an exhibit we are  
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Hello all, I'm delurking for the first time in a loooong time. It's  
lovely to have time to post and benefit from the great collective  
wisdom that is h-costume.

My current sort of project combines two in one - what I'm making *is*  
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online sewing magazine - could it be Threads? - and thought that  
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My boyfriend had a wonderful expression when I told him I need his  
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help but I hope to get it done before Christmas so I can start making  
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Right now Yasmine's naked, but there's two commissions that she'll be 
alternately wearing probably by the end of the week.

First one is a 1630-ish dress jacket and overskirt out of a cloth-of-silver 
brocade and  bottle green and pale gold brocade sleeves and stomacher.  I 
don't technically have enough fabric for the skirt, so I'm lining it with 
white satin and hoping the extra bulk will help disguise the lack.  The 
sleeves and stomacher are being pearled with smoke blue and white freshwater 
pearls, and silver and gold studs.

The other is an Elizabethan loose robe out of burgundy dupioni, with hanging 
sleeves of burgundy shot with black dupioni, embroidered in a diamond grid 
with gold.

I'm hoping to have both of those out the door this week, as I've got 4 other 
complete outfits to have finished before 12th Night.  I either need to hire 
help or scale back a lot.

Melusine (who shouldn't be on the computer, but hasn't had breakfast yet.) 

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My embroidery frame is having a new waistcoat, i make for a guy in Germany, 
when thats finnished - a new waistcoat is to be embroidered, and again a new 
awaites to be embroidered. You can call that year the great waistcoat year 
:-)
http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm
In between i make small projekts, i made a projekt for country bumpkins 
inspirations magazine, a lit for a sewing basquet, a muff for a girlfriend 
in Sweden and i also made a mini muff for a Marie Antoinette doll.
http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/embroideries.htm

Bjarne


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> It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
> New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
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> PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the 
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Not so odd, my DD is wearing a Fire Engine red crushed velvet Belly Dance 
gown as well.

One bare shoulder, slightly ruched side seam on the 'bare' side of the gown, 
slightly flared skirt that is slit to the thigh. One shoulder length 
gauntlet. I am in the process of figuring out where the multitudes of gold 
bead/sequin appliques will be placed. :0)

Sheridan P


>From: R Harper <rharperny@hotmail.com>

> >So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>
>I might take the prize for oddest:  a commissioned stretch bellydance dress 
>of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal.  
>It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared 
>short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net 
>and a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom.
>
>It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim 
>and Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the 
>dress that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long...
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 So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then
another band?
Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise?

Kate 

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Subject: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?)

I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone know of
any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves?  I
have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that
wikipedia is the only place to have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29

Jennifer


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-----Original Message-----
At 08:26 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote:
>I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone
>know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of
>the sleeves?  I have been looking to find this image somewhere else
>online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29
>
>Jennifer

Sorry not feeling well so my brain is a bit foggy.

Sleeve style
http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1512cranlucre.htm

kind of skirt and bodice two color.
http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1548saxonwoman.htm

The different colors of the bodice versas skirt is maybe due to a apron
skirt.

????
http://www.abcgallery.com/B/baldung/baldung11.html

I keep having "Swabian" pop into my brain for this style.


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Kate,
It's jewelry. It would not have been connected to the hemd or chemise. Were
you thinking of a partlet and not chemise? Also, what may be throwing things
off is the gold bands on the hemd which is gold thread embroidery. There is
two camps to the banded sleeves, one is that it is a part of the hemd, the
other that it is an over sleeve.

Jennifer,
http://myra.hem.nu/costume/
Myra's site has late 1400's research. Maybe something similar can be found
there.
Click on the picture above the WWW for the research site.

-----Original Message-----
 So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then
another band?
Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise?

Kate

-----Original Message-----
I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone know of
any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves?  I
have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that
wikipedia is the only place to have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29

Jennifer



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Not so odd, my DD is wearing a Fire Engine red crushed velvet Belly Dance 
gown as well.

One bare shoulder, slightly ruched side seam on the 'bare' side of the gown, 
slightly flared skirt that is slit to the thigh. One shoulder length 
gauntlet. I am in the process of figuring out where the multitudes of gold 
bead/sequin appliques will be placed. :0)

Sheridan P


>From: R Harper <rharperny@hotmail.com>

> >So, what's yourdressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>
>I might take the prize for oddest:  a commissioned stretch bellydance dress 
>of holographic copper foil fused to spandex -- it looks like liquid metal.  
>It's a 40's-inspired dress, with a low-cut twisted bodice, slashed flared 
>short sleeves open to the shoulder, a tummy-revealing panel of power net 
>and a close-fitting 8-panel trumpet skirt with lots of flare at the bottom.
>
>It's coming along very well; with all the added rhinestones, sequin trim 
>and Egyptian glass fringe, though, there's so much light coming off the 
>dress that it gives me a headache if I work on it too long...
>
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The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we dance the
rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea completely. 

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How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more
appropriate place than a wedding).

Patty

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2007/12/4, Cin <cinbarnes@gmail.com>:
>
> So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>

Hi!

The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a wedding
coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I won
one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to my
measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his
wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished).

So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have
lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its
specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own
dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more.

And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes to
match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even
convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our
wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able
to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the
question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on
'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance
of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies).
And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning
version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up
with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and  narrow silhouette you
see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits --
http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg,
http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg,
http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreA
ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg.

So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress
dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip'
to
make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of
netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our knees
can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me,
anyway.

Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad
luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German
tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large
pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait until
he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up in
an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation.
(By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress, but
you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch).

All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams"
by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and ideas
which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns.

Love to all
B arb ara M
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Well mine isn't wearing anything since I managed to loose some
centimeters but not weight...
Has something to do with dancing three times a week and getting more
muscles and probably not eating enough.

The dress I am making is a summer dress, white with little yellow and
purple flowers.
A way too sweet modern dress inspired on regency dresses.
Very bad for the teeth.

I am planning on making historical costumes bud not for me.
Few weeks ago I bought my first Ball Jointed Doll.
And I am hooked on making clothing and accessories for dolls.
He is now playing for dummy  :-) .
I made a shirt and trousers for him.
The shirt need some adjustments and than I will make them for others.
Oh and Quinn is showing his arm bracer made from embossed leather.
I am planning to make a whole armor set but my neighbors aren't happy
when I am hammering for to long..
And he is wearing embroidered Demon wings
Now he is guarding my sewing machine.
I am making a butterfly wing.

http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/QuinnGuarding.jpg

And I sometimes borrow a girl doll from a friend of mine to make patterns.
She isn't a great dress dummy. We had to tape her waist to keep her
standing still and straight.
She tends to stick her but out. which will make measuring and fitting
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Further to Wanda's post  - below - from the 4th November (sorry -  
slowly reading through old messages)

If you're connected with an academic institution in the UK and have  
or can get an ATHENS password, you may well be able to access, free,  
the online version of Costume through Ingenta Connect, the on-line  
site that Wanda mentions.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/cos/2007/00000041/00000001

Usually your friendly uni librarian can arrange an ATHENS password  
http://www.athens.ac.uk/ and it's extremely useful for all sorts of  
sites, but at the same time amazing how many students aren't told  
about this service. there may be an equivalent US service. Then you  
can download individual articles in handy PDF form from Costume, and  
Textile History which is also highly recommendable, for textile  
related articles, conference and book reviews. Then once downloaded  
and printed off, who knows where copies could end up? (though I'm not  
condoning breach of applicable copyright  - reasonable use for  
research purposes only!)

Typical - I don't post for years then do two at once....

From: Wanda Pease <wandap@...>
Subject: "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii"

Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a  
Manley
publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society
www.costumesociety.org.uk .  You can subscribe, or buy individual  
articles.
I got involved because one of the articles in Costume Volume 41 (the  
present
one) had the Janet Arnold work on the Effigy Corset.  I'm not a penny
pinching young student, but an employed and old student working on my  
MA as
an Independent Scholar with my local university.  This is why I paid the
Student rate when I subscribed.  The individual article is for sale  
on-line
for $25.


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The girls that aren't naked are wearing underpinnings.
 
One's in the start of a mid 17th century gown in silk taffeta.
 
One's in the start of an 18th c sack dress that I'm making for a customer  
going to the venice carnival on honeymoon - loosely based on an original in  
Leeds - red
 
One's wearing a part made 17th century suit (male, obv) - black linen,  
stiffended with linen canvas, and with boned belly pieces.  and with  silk wrapped 
buttons.  that's on hold though, cos the customer is on his  way back to 
afghanistan in a couple of weeks
 
and another male one is wearing a just started c17th suit - wool satin this  
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What is wool satin? I've never heard of it. Sounds yummy. Do you have pics? 

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The girls that aren't naked are wearing underpinnings.
 
One's in the start of a mid 17th century gown in silk taffeta.
 
One's in the start of an 18th c sack dress that I'm making for a customer
going to the venice carnival on honeymoon - loosely based on an original in
Leeds - red
 
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wrapped buttons.  that's on hold though, cos the customer is on his  way
back to afghanistan in a couple of weeks
 
and another male one is wearing a just started c17th suit - wool satin this
time....
 
 
 



   
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Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon!

slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango?
Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and
it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless.

The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the
dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't
practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of
the dance lessons, it would give away too much.

Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball
around here...

B M

2007/12/5, Sharon Collier <sharon@collierfam.com>:
>
> The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we dance
> the
> rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea completely.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Rickard, Patty
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:04 AM
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> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
>
> How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more
> appropriate place than a wedding).
>
> Patty
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
>
> 2007/12/4, Cin <cinbarnes@gmail.com>:
> >
> > So, what's your
> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> >
>
> Hi!
>
> The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a
> wedding
> coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it myself, so I
> won
> one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I took home, adjusted to
> my
> measurements and proceeded to find that it was suitable to first model his
> wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, now finished).
>
> So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I have
> lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond its
> specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my own
> dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more.
>
> And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our clothes
> to
> match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this list have even
> convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a hoop skirt. But our
> wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the gentleman should be able
> to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. Again, hoops are out of the
> question! :-( I have since had the privilege to watch a wonderful show on
> 'The Evolution of Dance', and it is amazing how obviously the dominant
> dance
> of each time corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies).
> And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, fast-turning
> version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards actually came up
> with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and  narrow silhouette you
> see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits --
> http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg,
> http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg,
> http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/PierreA
> ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg.
>
> So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the dress
> dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip'
> to
> make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of
> netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our
> knees
> can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering to me,
> anyway.
>
> Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's bad
> luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in German
> tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have to cut large
> pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him away or wait
> until
> he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I don't want it to come up
> in
> an accidental internet search, so he can't stumble upon this conversation.
> (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding dress,
> but
> you can apparently revert that if someone else does the last stitch).
>
> All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams"
> by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and
> ideas
> which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns.
>
> Love to all
> B arb ara M
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Instead of wearing hoops, wear a couple of petticoats, after all, that's
what ladies did before hoops were invented. And no wire at the bottom. Good
luck! 

-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:38 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?

Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon!

slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango?
Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and
it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless.

The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the
dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't
practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of
the dance lessons, it would give away too much.

Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball
around here...

B M

2007/12/5, Sharon Collier <sharon@collierfam.com>:
>
> The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we 
> dance the rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea 
> completely.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] 
> On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:04 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
>
> How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more 
> appropriate place than a wedding).
>
> Patty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]
> On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
>
> 2007/12/4, Cin <cinbarnes@gmail.com>:
> >
> > So, what's your
> > dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> >
>
> Hi!
>
> The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a 
> wedding coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it 
> myself, so I won one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I 
> took home, adjusted to my measurements and proceeded to find that it 
> was suitable to first model his wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, 
> now finished).
>
> So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I 
> have lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond 
> its specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my 
> own
> dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more.
>
> And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our 
> clothes to match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this 
> list have even convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a 
> hoop skirt. But our wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the 
> gentleman should be able to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. 
> Again, hoops are out of the question! :-( I have since had the 
> privilege to watch a wonderful show on 'The Evolution of Dance', and 
> it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance of each time 
> corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies).
> And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, 
> fast-turning version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards 
> actually came up with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and  
> narrow silhouette you see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- 
> http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg,
> http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg,
> http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/Pierr
> eA ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg.
>
> So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the 
> dress dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a
'slip'
> to
> make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of 
> netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our 
> knees can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering 
> to me, anyway.
>
> Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's 
> bad luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in 
> German tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have 
> to cut large pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him 
> away or wait until he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I 
> don't want it to come up in an accidental internet search, so he can't 
> stumble upon this conversation.
> (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding 
> dress, but you can apparently revert that if someone else does the 
> last stitch).
>
> All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams"
> by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and 
> ideas which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns.
>
> Love to all
> B arb ara M
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And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some =
sort of beaded veil?

(another) Kate

> So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then
>another band?
>Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise?

>Kate=20

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I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone know =
of
any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves?  =
I
have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems =
that
wikipedia is the only place to have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29=20

Jennifer


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Anne (named after Anne Boleyn for the lack of a head and the fact that she 
often wears Tudor era clothing) is only wearing underwear as I just used her 
to balance the skirt for my mid 1850s day dress, I'm currently cartridge 
pleating the skirt (it's gathered but I still need to sew it to the waist 
band) and after that I need to sew the darts on the bodice, finish the edges 
of the bodice, sew on the hooks & eyes (thank you the inventor of hook & eye 
tape), make a collar, and then get the bonnet finished (at the moment it's 
just a basic straw shell and needs a curtain and lining). I've got a week 
and a half to do all this and I'm hoping it will be not be too hot to wear 
it on the night.

--------------------------------------------
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners,
> New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be
> planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale.  Whatever the reason,
> h-costumers are probably making something.  So, what's your
> dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
> CinBarnes@gmail.com
>
> PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the 
> dummy and
> *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your
> worktable, at the sewing
> machine or in the embroidery hoop.
> -

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Hi Hilary,

None of the universities in my part of the USA have access to the 
Maney journals of interest: Neither back issues, current 
subscriptions nor online. I am an old student (never quit studying!), 
now retired. To get the issues, I must subscribe personally. Maney is 
willing to sell me online subscriptions to sets of journals at 
reduced rate, but this quickly becomes very costly... and still does 
not address the problem of back issues. I might as well subscribe to 
the paper copy.

I subscribe to Costume and have all back issues (except 1-5, which I 
would very much like to get) in my personal library. I have a few 
back issues of Textile History, but the subscription is beyond my 
budget (or rather books win over journals in priority). I am 
seriously considering a subscription to Medieval Archaeology. I 
wonder would any of the UK universities with ATHENS consider a (very) 
long distant student? <smile>

Take care.
Beth

At 09:37 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:28:00 +0000
>From: Hilary Davidson <h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk>
>
>Further to Wanda's post  - below - from the 4th November (sorry -
>slowly reading through old messages)
>
>If you're connected with an academic institution in the UK and have
>or can get an ATHENS password, you may well be able to access, free,
>the online version of Costume through Ingenta Connect, the on-line
>site that Wanda mentions.
>
>http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/cos/2007/00000041/00000001
>
>Usually your friendly uni librarian can arrange an ATHENS password
>http://www.athens.ac.uk/ and it's extremely useful for all sorts of
>sites, but at the same time amazing how many students aren't told
>about this service. there may be an equivalent US service. Then you
>can download individual articles in handy PDF form from Costume, and
>Textile History which is also highly recommendable, for textile
>related articles, conference and book reviews. Then once downloaded
>and printed off, who knows where copies could end up? (though I'm not
>condoning breach of applicable copyright  - reasonable use for
>research purposes only!)
>
>Typical - I don't post for years then do two at once....

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Hang in there, Kathy; I hope you can discover a new venture of creativity 
that will not come with the baggage of bittersweeet memories.

Kathleen
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From: "Kathy Page" <caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca>
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Sadly, one of them is packed, one awaits staging to sell the house, and the 
third supports the only project I vainly attempt to try working on, which 
all but hasn't happened yet. Pretty much all inspiration has died in me. A 
friend of mine suggested it was the grief/guilt, having found pleasure and 
satisfaction in a talent rather than a marriage. When the talent gives more 
pleasure and satisfaction than the marriage, it's bound to happen. I've been 
having a lot to trouble with the whole guilt thing. So, I've given up trying 
to make anything for now - heck it's taken me days to get the Christmas 
decorations up. Painting the house is a new adventure in hell. Then again, I 
have never had to do it alone before, and running into all those cute 
nostalgic holiday things from our early days didn't help matters any. I 
don't know when it will return. But I lurk here, reading away, creating 
vicariously through everyone here. I hope to get back in the saddle one day
 soon.

Anyone that was interested in my stuff I wanted to sell off, I *had* the 
measurements and prices up for at least half of my collection, then my 
darling ex pulled my Picasa file (it's now a 404 error, oh joy), dumped all 
the text and shut down my website. He's working hard to obstruct me 
professionally, knowing that I am creatively frozen and basically without 
income because of it. So I am right back to square one. I think it would be 
best if you just emailed me with what you are needing, I'll send you those 
specific measurements and photos, and we can work from there. That way he 
can't obfuscate my transactions. I have the original emails back when I 
first offered this, but I am unsure if you are still interested since a 
considerable time has passed.

Trying to find merry in this season,

Kathy

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Keller
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Matthews
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I'm confused, I thought you were considering making a dress that goes with 
the 1830s suit he'll be wearing...? 1830s dresses don't have hoops, those 
weren't "invented" until sometime in the 1850s (I can't remember the exact 
date). Which isn't to say that the corset might make Tango a bit 
challenging... 
        -sunny

> Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon!
>
> slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a 
tango?
> Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me 
and
> it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless.
>
> The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see 
the
> dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we 
can't
> practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one 
of
> the dance lessons, it would give away too much.
>
> Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball
> around here...
> 
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Folkwear has a nice bathing costume patetrn--early 20th century.

Katy

On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Aylwen & John Garden <garden@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
> Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I
> thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember
> the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Aylwen
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Hello,
I just wanted to finnish the diskussion about needles, in telling that i =
received my needles from London this week, i have ben using one of them, =
a sharp nr 12 for 2 days, embroidering on the waistcoat. Today i =
embroidered about 12 hours in a row, and my needle is still straight. =
Usually all my needles gets bended by use, but this Johna James needle =
is still straight.........
Very happy to have found these..........

Bjarne
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My guess is that it is a sheer caul with pearls.

German examples of pearlwork cauls.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cranach_Cleve.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:3-vornehm-Damen-1525.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._010.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._050.jpg

By the way, the "portrait" was made in 1502.

De

-----Original Message-----
And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some
sort of beaded veil?

(another) Kate

> So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then
>another band?
>Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise?

>Kate

-----Original Message-----
I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia.  Does anyone know of
any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves?  I
have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that
wikipedia is the only place to have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29

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Greetings folks!

It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details.

Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books).  I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns.

I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period.

My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well.

The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end.

A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF

B:  http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF

C:  http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg


A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt:  This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache.  The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp.  Design for soutache braid included.


B:  1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. 

C:  I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt.  

Query 1:  On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's?  I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like.  Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me?  Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist?  Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else?  

Query 2:  Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them?  I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better.  I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume.

Query 3: Fabrics/colors.  I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents.  They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns.  Would any of these work?


Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today.

Thank you for your time!

JonnaLyhn Wolfcat

who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends!


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> Query 2:  Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used 
> so that I can better visualize them?  I do okay with only written 
> descriptions, but examples I can see work much better.  I have some long 
> lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel 
> combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's 
> without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look 
> like an inspired costume.<

I've got some antique trims from the 1880-1900 era if you'd like to come 
over and look at them.  Keeping me company while I tear my hair out, oop, I 
mean sew, would be ok, too.

Melusine

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>From my own take on the styles you have chosen:
The first two are about 1898/1900 and the third is between 1892/97.  The 
sleeve is the teller for the bodices and the skirts are more tailored with 
hip molding then you see in the earlier drabed skirt.  If you have Fran's 
books, compare the pattern shapes she gives for skirts in this period and 
make any adjustments on the patterns you are using to correspond with those 
lines.  I have been using them to do h-costume in minature and have been 
delighted with the results.
View 1:
The vest you speak of will be the front only section.  This will be 
completely finished and lays over the muslin underbodice.  Use a good weight 
velvet (I would choose cotton velvet, as it has anatural body that will not 
need to be underlined itself.) As the layers are assembled, you will wnat to 
watch for too much bulk.

The gimp braiding used on this garment was usually wool or silk.  In order 
to keep the scale of the proposed trim, it should be 3/8" or 1/2-5/8" This 
may be hard to find except with some fancy work.

View 2:
Very interesting.  The fur trim is very period and chique; however, if you 
can't lay your hands on real fur...Persian or otherwise...you might want to 
set this one aside for a while.

View 3:  Fabric should be a little lighter and drapeable. With the lace 
trim, it speaks of annother season of the year than winter/transition.

Do not omit linings and interlinings on any of these designes as these are 
all needed to support and maintain the general shape and flow of the gown. 
The fastenings will all be hooks and eyes. The fit of the underbodice is 
very important.  This will establish the fit; all else of the bodice is 
"upholstering" if you will.

The colors and yardages you report all seem to work well for the period.

I look forward to your report of choice(s) and progress of the project.
Kathleen




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> Greetings folks!
>
> It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After 
> much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early 
> Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little 
> help with details.
>
> Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing 
> Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the 
> person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's 
> books).  I've been going through my book and the local library's 
> selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general 
> silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, 
> and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, 
> with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns.
>
> I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning 
> experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get 
> a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that 
> time period.
>
> My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and 
> Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will 
> help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well.
>
> The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as 
> follows, with questions at the end.
>
> A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF
>
> B:  http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF
>
> C:  http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg
>
>
> A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt:  This gown was made of bluet-blue 
> cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. 
> The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts 
> connected by a clasp.  Design for soutache braid included.
>
>
> B:  1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta 
> colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of 
> bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery.
>
> C:  I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in 
> the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. 
> Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black 
> accents and a violet satin waist and belt.
>
> Query 1:  On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's?  I like the thought 
> of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back 
> would look like.  Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can 
> clear it up for me?  Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? 
> Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else?
>
> Query 2:  Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used 
> so that I can better visualize them?  I do okay with only written 
> descriptions, but examples I can see work much better.  I have some long 
> lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel 
> combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's 
> without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look 
> like an inspired costume.
>
> Query 3: Fabrics/colors.  I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock 
> green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of 
> lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 
> yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards 
> of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose 
> linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, 
> satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents.  They are all 
> plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that 
> way, than with patterns.  Would any of these work?
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing 
> with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> JonnaLyhn Wolfcat
>
> who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I 
> have EVIL friends!
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Hello, thanks for pointing this out!

When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I
definitely see the style around much later.

I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those.

I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently,
they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this.

Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any
skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a petticoat
with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening.

Thanks,
B  M


2007/12/6, Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org <Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org>:
>
> I'm confused, I thought you were considering making a dress that goes with
> the 1830s suit he'll be wearing...? 1830s dresses don't have hoops, those
> weren't "invented" until sometime in the 1850s (I can't remember the exact
> date). Which isn't to say that the corset might make Tango a bit
> challenging...
>         -sunny
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Thanks for all your help. I found my pattern - its the mantua maker, multi
sized one. I love the ageless patterns but like flexibility in sizings. And
the folkwear one looks good, but my budget won't stretch this Christmas  -
I'm using my fabric stash to make presents this year, less costly and gives
me more room to add more fabric once I've saved again!!!!<grin>
Cheers, Aylwen

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On 6/12/07 1:33 AM, "Katy Bishop" <katybishop64@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folkwear has a nice bathing costume patetrn--early 20th century.
> 
> Katy
> 
> On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Aylwen & John Garden <garden@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I
>> thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember
>> the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Aylwen
>> 
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Hi B,

     Your notes really got me thinking and remembering both myself and
friends planning "historic" weddings.  I finally had the lightbulb go
on for myself 'way back when I was discussing music with Patri
Pugliese.  I had favorites ranging from 18thC to 1950s swing, and
wondered if it was proper to arrange the music in chronological
order?  He said that he planned balls for a specific eras and would
never mix it up that much.  I realized that I could do whatever I
wanted, it's not a historic event, and I should throw in everything I
felt like doing!

     Earlier you mentioned how ballroom attire fits the prevailing dances
of the era.  For women, at least, because men have been wearing
breeches/trousers for a coupla centuries and are not dealing with
different widths & lengths of skirts.

     So, about this tango  I'm wracking my brain about the early
development of it, and all I can remember is Richard Powers saying
that it was originally done by the wrong sorts of people in the wrong
side of town.  I don't know if there was anything tango-like going on
in the 1830s, but if it was I doubt it involved the intricate legwork
of modern Argentine style.

     Practice is helpful, and essential so if you two are dancers and want
to show off a bit for the relatives.  He can wear any trousers to
practice, and you need to wear a skirt of the same length/volume.

     I know what you are saying about the rehearsal skirt giving a clue to
the shape of the wedding dress.  But remember, historic weddings are
really a 20thC thing.  For most eras (even the 20thC), wedding
dresses followed the prevailing style, so a groom would know what to
expect as far as the shape of the skirt they bride would wear.

     I'm hearing a lot of conflict and specific things you want to do, and
came up with a few suggestions.
 - practice in the same type of skirt and don't worry about it giving
clues to the dress style.
 - find a different dance style that can be easily done in the dress you
want to wear.
 - change the dress, or the skirt, or de-volumize the skirt (make it to
remove the puffiness) for the reception.  You still have the impact for
the wedding itself, kind of like how modern dresses with trains are made
to bustle up.
 - Have a really flexible attitude or a huge sense of humor about it all. 
If you're worried about it looking good in the photos or video, and
you're not going to practice in the skirt, weeeeelllll...

     -Carol


> Hello, thanks for pointing this out!
>
> When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I
> definitely see the style around much later.
>
> I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those.
>
> I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently,
> they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this.
>
> Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any
> skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a
> petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening.
>
> Thanks,
> B  M

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Cool...in case you haven't already gotten this...


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---- Original Message ----- 

From: Jane <mailto:jmdandco@blueyonder.co.uk>  

To: Effigies <mailto:jmdandco@blueyonder.co.uk>  

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:08 AM

Subject: Tudor costume & effigies database update

 

I am pleased to announce the addition of new effigies to the Costume
Research Image Library (CRIL) at a new, user-friendly web address:
www.tudoreffigies.co.uk.

Please visit, take a good look at the 36 new effigies (all of which are in
Sussex churches) and do send me feedback at the email address below. I would
like to know: why are the effigies interesting to you, how you will use the
information they provide, and how can the database be improved?

If you are in touch with other people who would like to know about the Tudor
effigies available online, please pass on this message. If you manage a
links page for a relevant website, please add www.tudoreffigies.co.uk to it.

Thanks for your interest - and, to previous database users, thanks very much
for your patience while the address change and upgrade have been happening!

A third phase of research in Essex is underway (thanks to the Pasold
Research Fund). Your comments help the project progress and provide sound
evidence for future grant applications. The research centre at Winchester
School of Art is coming to an end after five successful years. This means
that the database needs new funding or rehoming!

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Dress #3, from my site is described as such:
excerpt, Delineator, March 1894: (Figure No. 300G/No. 6772)
"Shaded taffeta is the material here pictured.......which is admirably
adapted for visiting, driving and other dressy wear.  The skirt is of
the 5 gored variety and, as is now considered correct, present
fullness only at the back, the shaping of the gores, together with
darts at the top, producing a smooth effect over the hips."
"...trimmed with a lace edging and narrow insertion..." (I question
the term narrow insertion, looks wide to me)
"A very dressy toilette for an afternoon reception may be developed by
the mode in shaded or chanegable silk, liberty silk, silk taffeta,
crepon, India or China silk or plain or figured crepe de Chine.  All
sorts of wool and silk-and-wool materials are also well adapted to a
toilette of this kind."

So it seems any of your lighter-weight cloth, either wool or silk,
would work well.

Katy

On Dec 5, 2007 5:34 PM, Angharad ver' Reynulf <dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings folks!
>
> It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details.
>
> Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books).  I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns.
>
> I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period.
>
> My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well.
>
> The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end.
>
> A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF
>
> B:  http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF
>
> C:  http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg
>
>
> A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt:  This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache.  The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp.  Design for soutache braid included.
>
>
> B:  1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery.
>
> C:  I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt.
>
> Query 1:  On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's?  I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like.  Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me?  Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist?  Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else?
>
> Query 2:  Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them?  I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better.  I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume.
>
> Query 3: Fabrics/colors.  I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents.  They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns.  Would any of these work?
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> JonnaLyhn Wolfcat
>
> who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends!
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You're welcome :-). Corded petticoats seem to be popular from ~1830 onward 
- I'd recommend looking at koshka-the-cat's work to see how one 
looks/moves: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/corded_petticoat.html and 
http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/1840_dress.html 

I haven't seen much in the way of flounced petticoats (except a bottom 
ruffle) until post-1850 (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong :-)). If 
you like the full skirts (in the modern sense of full, not the Victorian 
;-)), but not the outrageous sleeves of the 1830s, you might try looking 
at the mid 1820s styles: 
http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html#1820 I am particularly 
partial to this one (at the moment): 
http://www.fashionmuseum.co.uk/userimages/collection/large/batmc_i_09_1262.jpg 
However, wedding dresses are highly personal, and I have no idea what 
makes you go "oooooooh" and feel like a princess :-)

Good luck!
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From: "Barbara -_- M aren" <bmwbmwb@gmail.com>
Hello, thanks for pointing this out!

When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I
definitely see the style around much later.

I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those.

I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently,
they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this.

Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any
skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a 
petticoat
with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening.

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I like dress C, and you could use the tropical weght wool for it. Or the
"black orchid" fabric, which sounnds like faille, a ribbed fabric with
plenty of body .

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Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?

Greetings folks!

It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much
lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early
Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help
with details.

Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon
were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person
recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books).  I've
been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as
several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to
me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from
1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day
type skirts, not the evening gowns.

I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning
experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a
decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time
period.

My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and
Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help
me see better as my computer doesn't show them well.

The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as
follows, with questions at the end.

A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF

B:  http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF

C:  http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg


A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt:  This gown was made of bluet-blue
cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache.
The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts
connected by a clasp.  Design for soutache braid included.


B:  1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta
colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of
bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. 

C:  I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the
1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner
Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a
violet satin waist and belt.  

Query 1:  On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's?  I like the thought of
playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would
look like.  Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it
up for me?  Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist?  Is that
simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else?  

Query 2:  Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so
that I can better visualize them?  I do okay with only written descriptions,
but examples I can see work much better.  I have some long lengths of white
gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I
think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge,
and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume.

Query 3: Fabrics/colors.  I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock
green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight
black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10
yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid
grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots
of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools
that I could pull out for accents.  They are all plain fabrics, as is most
of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns.
Would any of these work?


Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with
images for this last night and am paying for it at work today.

Thank you for your time!

JonnaLyhn Wolfcat

who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I
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A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the answer --
 
Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any pre-1600 reenactors?
 
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Thank you all for indulging me in my favorite h-cost topic.

Euprosnia has her Uniquely You cover off so it can be reworked 10
years later.  Love that thing!  Not much that I have fits over her
torpedo tits at the moment, but she is wearing a purple & white
ruffled tulle petticoat so that I can put a waistband on it.  Adonis
is pretty frumpy in his same-old, same-old.  Most of the heads
(excelsior-filled hat blocks) have their same hat as last time except
for Katherine Howard who has on my late Elizabethan beaded headdress.
(Look for a Mary Fitton portrait c 1590-1600 and you'll see what I
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--cin
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At 19:28 06/12/2007, you wrote:
>Thank you all for indulging me in my favorite h-cost topic.
>
>Euprosnia has her Uniquely You cover off so it can be reworked 10
>years later.  Love that thing!  Not much that I have fits over her
>torpedo tits at the moment, but she is wearing a purple & white
>ruffled tulle petticoat so that I can put a waistband on it.  Adonis
>is pretty frumpy in his same-old, same-old.  Most of the heads
>(excelsior-filled hat blocks) have their same hat as last time except
>for Katherine Howard who has on my late Elizabethan beaded headdress.
>(Look for a Mary Fitton portrait c 1590-1600 and you'll see what I
>mean).
>--cin

My dear dummy is now nekkid, waiting for my own Tudor costume for 
12th Night, if I ever get it done. The 18th century dress went off 
yesterday, with a very happy lady. I also have a hooded, mundane 
cloak to make for my DIL 's Christmas present - and it's less than 
three weeks to Christmas - yikes!!

Suzi

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>Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and
>it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless.
>slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango?

Absolutely shocking, of course.  Have one's limbs entangled!

Richard Powers (lecturer in dance at Stanford Univ) claims there are
1850s tango figures, tho admittedly they look almost nothing like the
1920s tango or the 1940s Argentine tango, or the modern Buenos Aires
tango or international ballroom tango.  The earliest I can think of is
the tune Habanera from which Bizet's Carmen. "Prend garde a toi!"
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performance shocked Parisian audiences in the 1870s.

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SNSpies@aol.com wrote:

>A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the answer --
> 
>Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any pre-1600 reenactors?
>  
>


I don't have a reference to hand, but I believe Kinsale-type cloaks are 
18th or 19th century.

-- 
Adele de Maisieres

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Alameda's own St. George Spirits just received label approval for

	St. George Absinthe Verte

Yep, the first US-made US-legal absinthe since 1912. I tasted a  
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The first commercial bottle sold on Monday, and general sales open on  
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B: "We're going to practice the tango at arm's length"
Finace: "Why?"
B: "No reason..."

     So did anyone see the Today Show this morning - a couple started
their wedding dance conventionally and then switched to "Baby Got
Back."  I hear their video is on YouTube.  No interference with the
dress...

     I found a really nice piece of music for my first dance, sort of a
spicy tango-sounding waltz called "Los Higuerones."  The band decided
they could not do it justice and played another waltz instead.  I
found this out at the reception.  Oh well...

     -Carol


> Absolutely shocking, of course.  Have one's limbs entangled!
>
> Richard Powers (lecturer in dance at Stanford Univ) claims there are
> 1850s tango figures, tho admittedly they look almost nothing like the
> 1920s tango or the 1940s Argentine tango, or the modern Buenos Aires
> tango or international ballroom tango.  The earliest I can think of is
> the tune Habanera from which Bizet's Carmen. "Prend garde a toi!"
> Bizet apparently quoted musically from a Spanish folk tune. That
> performance shocked Parisian audiences in the 1870s.
>
> --cin

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My thanks to all who've given me input.  The hardest part about going into this is feeling confident enough to get started.  I'll be getting together with my sister in law just before Yule, and will get to look at what patterns she has to start with, so hopefully I can be working on the undergarments before New Years.  So yes, I'll do an update one what choice(s) I work on then.

Katy, thank you for the further information on dress C.  I didn't see that on your site or would have put it with the information on the gown like I did for the other two.  It makes me feel a lot more confident about the fabrics I picked up from Michael Levine's.

Melusine, I'll take you up on that offer-the key part will be determining WHEN I can get to your place. 

 
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Good luck!  I'm sure it'll be beautiful.  The text is not on my site
yet, just in the book---so much do add so little time.....

I have a last minute 1820s ball dress to make for a Jane Austen
performance Sunday, found a great dobby weave silk today!  Really
similar in weave to an original 1825 antique dress I have.  Last night
I was fitting my lining on myself while watching project runway, it
seemed so appropriate to be scrambling to meet a sewing deadline while
watching the show.

Katy

On Dec 6, 2007 5:44 PM, Angharad ver' Reynulf <dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My thanks to all who've given me input.  The hardest part about going into this is feeling confident enough to get started.  I'll be getting together with my sister in law just before Yule, and will get to look at what patterns she has to start with, so hopefully I can be working on the undergarments before New Years.  So yes, I'll do an update one what choice(s) I work on then.
>
> Katy, thank you for the further information on dress C.  I didn't see that on your site or would have put it with the information on the gown like I did for the other two.  It makes me feel a lot more confident about the fabrics I picked up from Michael Levine's.
>
> Melusine, I'll take you up on that offer-the key part will be determining WHEN I can get to your place.
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Suggestion from a costumer rather than a bride or a clothing historian:

Make the full skirt as a removable separate skirt: attach the  
appropriate crinoline.
Under that, as an underskirt, wear a skirt more appropriately  
configured for the tango.

Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the  
reception you rrrrip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt  
underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking  
into a passionate tango. What theater!

Decorum may be restored by replacing the top skirt and crinoline.

Two cents from me! Main criterion for any decision: have a good time.

--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
scholar gypsy and amateur costumer


On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org wrote:

> You're welcome :-). Corded petticoats seem to be popular from ~1830  
> onward
> - I'd recommend looking at koshka-the-cat's work to see how one
> looks/moves: http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/corded_petticoat.html and
> http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/1840_dress.html
>
> I haven't seen much in the way of flounced petticoats (except a bottom
> ruffle) until post-1850 (although I'd be happy to be proven  
> wrong :-)). If
> you like the full skirts (in the modern sense of full, not the  
> Victorian
> ;-)), but not the outrageous sleeves of the 1830s, you might try  
> looking
> at the mid 1820s styles:
> http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html#1820 I am  
> particularly
> partial to this one (at the moment):
> http://www.fashionmuseum.co.uk/userimages/collection/large/ 
> batmc_i_09_1262.jpg
> However, wedding dresses are highly personal, and I have no idea what
> makes you go "oooooooh" and feel like a princess :-)
>
> Good luck!
>         -sunny
>
> ------------- original message -----------------------
> From: "Barbara -_- M aren" <bmwbmwb@gmail.com>
> Hello, thanks for pointing this out!
>
> When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said  
> 1790, I
> definitely see the style around much later.
>
> I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those.
>
> I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but  
> apparently,
> they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this.
>
> Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much  
> any
> skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a
> petticoat
> with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening.
>
> Thanks,
> B  M
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As I recall, the information that comes with the
pattern says it's "unchanged for centuries" or
something like that, and claims it's ok for all
periods. From the construction of the hood, I'm pretty
sure that's not so. 

Personally, I think it looks like wearing a
box-pleated skirt around your shoulders, with a frilly
hood attached.

MaggiRos


--- Adele de Maisieres <ladyadele@paradise.net.nz>
wrote:

> SNSpies@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >A very old question, I know, but I've forgotten the
> answer --
> > 
> >Is the Kinsale Cloak from Folk Wear OK for any
> pre-1600 reenactors?
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> I don't have a reference to hand, but I believe
> Kinsale-type cloaks are 
> 18th or 19th century.
> 
> -- 
> Adele de Maisieres
> 

Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The 
village was burning when we got here.

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2007/12/7, Ruth Anne Baumgartner <ruthanneb@mindspring.com>:
>
> Suggestion from a costumer rather than a bride or a clothing historian:
>
> Make the full skirt as a removable separate skirt: attach the
> appropriate crinoline.
> Under that, as an underskirt, wear a skirt more appropriately
> configured for the tango.
>
> Imagine the gasp and the amazement when in the middle of the
> reception you rrrrip! off your skirt to reveal...another skirt
> underneath, and proceed to capitalize on the sexy moment by breaking
> into a passionate tango. What theater!
>
> Decorum may be restored by replacing the top skirt and crinoline.
>
> Two cents from me! Main criterion for any decision: have a good time.
>
> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner
> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer


:-) So cool!

Ruth, that was precisely the idea I had a few weeks ago when I went running.

Imagine even this:

In some wedding parties it's common to auction away the garter of the bride.
Every time someone makes the bid, her skirt is lifted a few inches more, to
expose more of the leg, until finally the garter is visible.

Now imagine this same bride later just throwing off the skirt that was
lifted so ceremoniously and hesitantly before.
Hm, I guess the bidders would feel cheated... :-)

I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but
I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can
only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make
myself...

The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should
even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open.

But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't
have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only...

oh just if there wasn't so much choice...

:-)
B M
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At 07:57 PM 12/3/2007, you wrote:
>So, what's your
>dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
>--cin
>Cynthia Barnes
>CinBarnes@gmail.com


Mine is wearing a white linen Elizabethan shift. And an elastic 
waisted terra-cotta linen street-length skirt that I made because I 
had pretty fabric and needed a new skirt and it took all of two whole 
hours to make.

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On Thursday 06 December 2007, MaggiRos wrote:
> As I recall, the information that comes with the
> pattern says it's "unchanged for centuries" or
> something like that, and claims it's ok for all
> periods. From the construction of the hood, I'm pretty
> sure that's not so.
>
> Personally, I think it looks like wearing a
> box-pleated skirt around your shoulders, with a frilly
> hood attached.

It is my impression that the Kinsale cloak in its present form started to be 
seen sometime in the 18th century.  Never having researched the subject, I'm 
not certain of that, but based on what I know about 18th c clothing, it seems 
likely to me.

I have one.  I made up the Folkwear pattern (without the hood, because I was 
having a hard enough time gathering the cloak enough to sew the collar on) in 
a lightweight wool/silk twill blend.  I wore it occasionally in fall weather 
while I was in college.  It was a wonderfully fun garment, but I can 
understand that many people might not want to be burdened with so much 
material.



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In a message dated 05/12/2007 03:38:38 GMT Standard Time,  
h-costume-request@indra.com writes:

What is  wool satin? I've never heard of it. Sounds yummy. Do you have pics? 
 
Sorry - not yet, cos I don't often photograph things till they're  done.  
 
It's wool in a sating weave - is v nice to work with, and quite rare it  
seems.
 
I have a light brown and a dark brown and am using both in the suit.

 



   
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Could someone please send me off-list, digests 556 and 557?  Indra is 
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Actually, the blue comes from the saying
wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.
Which was originally:
Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a
silver sixpence in her shoe.
English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.
Most women make the garter as the blue something that is worn, you do not
have to have the blue garter. Whose telling you have to have a blue garter?
You could have a blue ribbon in the bouquet or a little blue bow on the
slip. Get a white garter and attach a blue bow.
The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I
think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for
wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that.

De

-----Original Message-----

I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me though... but
I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another tradition), and I can
only find white, black, and red ones! Geez, another thing I have to make
myself...

The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It should
even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you rip it open.

But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that I won't
have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one skirt only...

oh just if there wasn't so much choice...

:-)
B M


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      Also have you tried a bridal shop?  Any time I've seen a  
bride's garter, they are blue and white and sometimes with a little  
ornament (white bell, etc) added.  As far as finding/making things,  
that's something you can assign to a bridesmaid to research and get  
for you.  ;-)

      -Carol


On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:16 AM, otsisto wrote:

> Actually, the blue comes from the saying wear something old,  
> something new, something borrowed, something blue.
> Which was originally:
> Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue  
> and a silver sixpence in her shoe.
> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.
> Most women make the garter as the blue something that is worn, you  
> do not have to have the blue garter. Whose telling you have to have  
> a blue garter?
> You could have a blue ribbon in the bouquet or a little blue bow on  
> the slip. Get a white garter and attach a blue bow.
> The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and  
> fidelity. I think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a  
> popular color for wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read  
> that.
>
> De
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I don't know if they are planning one of those auctions for me  
> though... but I've been instructed to wear a blue garter (another  
> tradition), and I can only find white, black, and red ones! Geez,  
> another thing I have to make myself...
>
> The idea of dramatically taking off the wide overskirt is great. It  
> should even close with velcro, for the nice ripping sound when you  
> rip it open.
>
> But I have tried to imagine it, looked at fabrics, and decided that  
> I won't have time to do that, I'm flat out already with doing one  
> skirt only...
>
> oh just if there wasn't so much choice...
>
> :-)
> B M

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When the Kinsale cloak FolkWear pattern was bran-new I made one for my sister, who was a professional musician at the time and traveled in various weathers when her symphony orchestra did "run-outs" into the state's hinterlands. I used black cotton velveteen and lined it with a shiny silver polyester that was backed with flannel, clearly intended as a coat lining. Black frogs for closure, plus of course a big black tassel at the point of the hood (because who can resist tassels?). Yes, gathering all that fabric (body and hood) at the neck was hard--I had to sew all the neck seams by hand. But my sister wore it many, many times (both on run-outs and to the orchestra's home theater) and said it was warm, comfortable, and of course very elegant. On run-outs, the copious fabric gave her the equivalent of a big blanket to curl up inside of in the orchestra's bus.
--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
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->It is my impression that the Kinsale cloak in its present form started to be 
>seen sometime in the 18th century.  Never having researched the subject, I'm 
>not certain of that, but based on what I know about 18th c clothing, it seems 
>likely to me.
>
>I have one.  I made up the Folkwear pattern (without the hood, because I was 
>having a hard enough time gathering the cloak enough to sew the collar on) in 
>a lightweight wool/silk twill blend.  I wore it occasionally in fall weather 
>while I was in college.  It was a wonderfully fun garment, but I can 
>understand that many people might not want to be burdened with so much 
>material.
>
>
>
>-- 
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>
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Does anyone here know whether Sally Queen & Associates are doing a 
costume-related photo calendar for 2008?  Both their old and new websites are 
selling the old calendars, including the one for 2007, but it's December and 
there's no mention of a new calendar for 2008.  Thanks.

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Thanks for the help with show I costumed recently. When I was designing it it was not known if the show would go up by itself or with another play that was also a winner in the January playwriting festival at Hill Country Community Theatre in Central Texas. So I designed it fully and when it was decided the two shows would run together I asked the director to choose which costumes he would like to see straight through the play.
Well, he didn't pick the 'floozy' dress you all helped me with (I'll save it for another show) instead he chose her entrance dress and it was floozy enough anyway. This show pleased me more than any I've designed in a long time and that made me happy. And thank you all so much for your help. BTW, the show was, "Under A Cowboy Moon," by Carl L. Williams, who visited from Houston for one evening and said he liked the costumes.
We struck on Sunday last. Ruth Anne, it seems as though we do pretty much the same thing. If you would like to trade info and tips contact me directly as above.
The next vehicle is a ply that covers fifty years from 1898 through 1947 with lots of quick changes. It opens in April.
Audy, My best to you all!

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AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her
latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide.

Allison

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> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:58:58 -0500
> From: Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
> Subject: [h-cost] Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar?
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> Does anyone here know whether Sally Queen & Associates are doing a
> costume-related photo calendar for 2008?  Both their old and new websites are
> selling the old calendars, including the one for 2007, but it's December and
> there's no mention of a new calendar for 2008.  Thanks.
>
> --
> Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
>
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> than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain
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I heard at Costume College that 2007 would be her last calendar. I always
pick up the next year's calendar at CoCo, and was very disappointed. I can't
remember when the last time I didn't have a SQ&A calendar on my office wall!

Having said that, things can change and she may decide to produce another
calendar some year...

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On 12/7/07, A. Thurman <athurman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her
> latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide.
>
> Allison
>
> On Dec 7, 2007 2:00 PM,  <h-costume-request@indra.com> wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:58:58 -0500
> > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
> > Subject: [h-cost] Sally Queen & Associates--annual costume calendar?
> > To: Historical Costume <h-costume@indra.com>
> > Message-ID: <200712070758.58543.cathy@thyrsus.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Does anyone here know whether Sally Queen & Associates are doing a
> > costume-related photo calendar for 2008?  Both their old and new
> websites are
> > selling the old calendars, including the one for 2007, but it's December
> and
> > there's no mention of a new calendar for 2008.  Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
> >
> > "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a
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--- Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote:

> h-costume-request@indra.com writes:
> 
> What is  wool satin? I've never heard of it. Sounds
> yummy. Do you have pics? 
>  
> Sorry - not yet, cos I don't often photograph things
> till they're  done.  
>  
> It's wool in a satin weave - is v nice to work
> with, and quite rare it seems.
>  
> I have a light brown and a dark brown and am using
> both in the suit.

Deb, I look forward to seeing your suit, when it's
done.

I lucked into some red wool satin mill ends once, and
after twice through the wash on Hot to remove the
'shrink-wrapped' effect (like a layer of plastic along
the whole surface), it is very lovely.
My piece is aging in the stash.  I'll set scissors to
it yet. :)

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Hi there,

I am thinking about finally getting a dressmaker's form for myself, but 
I am not sure which type I should get.  Here is the dilemma, I am a 
woman of ample size (US size 26-28).  My hope is, as always, to drop 
some or a lot of weight, but if I waited to get dressform until I was 
down to my ideal weight, I would be waiting for several years to eternity. 

When I pattern draft, I like to stick the pins directly into my 
mannequin.  However, most of the home dress forms I have seen won't 
allow for that.  So, what I want to know is: What dress form would you 
recommend for a for a gal like me? 

Thanks,
-- 

*Peggy Viney *

*Krazy Kat Fiberhaus*

www.krazykatfiberhaus.com


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> Hi there,
>
> I am thinking about finally getting a dressmaker's form for myself, but I 
> am not sure which type I should get.  Here is the dilemma, I am a woman of 
> ample size (US size 26-28).  My hope is, as always, to drop some or a lot 
> of weight, but if I waited to get dressform until I was down to my ideal 
> weight, I would be waiting for several years to eternity.
> When I pattern draft, I like to stick the pins directly into my mannequin. 
> However, most of the home dress forms I have seen won't allow for that. 
> So, what I want to know is: What dress form would you recommend for a for 
> a gal like me?
> Thanks,
> -- 
>
> *Peggy Viney *

Hi Peggy,

I've got one that's made of  foam rubber with a cloth cover that you take in 
to fit you exactly, then zip over the foam.  I think it's called "Uniquely 
You", although since I got mine second hand from my aunt years ago I'm not 
sure.  They come in several size ranges, mine is about 14-20, although she 
may squish down smaller.  The thing I like about this one is, you can make 
several covers to fit different sizes within the range, and you can also 
corset it to work for different period costumes.

Melusine 

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On Friday 07 December 2007, A. Thurman wrote:
> AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her
> latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide.

Dang.  I was afraid it was something like that.  Thanks for the information.

Anyone know of a calendar with costume-related photos or art that's being sold 
for 2008?

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Uniquely you - although you may have to add some padding.  I made the  
cover to fit me, then when on the form I needed to add some fiberfill  
to the belly area to make it fill the cover. But it did make it "me".   
I don't know if there are any others out there that you can pin into.
I actually own two uniquely you forms - one very small one made to fit  
my sister, and one that is my current size (actually, by adjusting the  
covers and amount of stuffing, it has accounted for me over a 40 lb.  
weight swing well).
-Megan

On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am thinking about finally getting a dressmaker's form for myself,  
> but I am not sure which type I should get.  Here is the dilemma, I  
> am a woman of ample size (US size 26-28).  My hope is, as always, to  
> drop some or a lot of weight, but if I waited to get dressform until  
> I was down to my ideal weight, I would be waiting for several years  
> to eternity.
> When I pattern draft, I like to stick the pins directly into my  
> mannequin.  However, most of the home dress forms I have seen won't  
> allow for that.  So, what I want to know is: What dress form would  
> you recommend for a for a gal like me?
> Thanks,
> -- 
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I would be interested to hear any opinions about costumes in this movie...any thoughts???

       
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Before I went to see the movie there was talk of the costumes on another list I'm on of people that went to see it. I agree with what was said about the lace on the collars of the ladies that they looked like dolies. I did not care for the flower that was on Cate Blanchetts head when Raleigh entered the court. The fabrics were OK, but I think they needed more ornimation--jewels, pearls, etc-- espically if it was a court gown. I mean when Elizabeth was on the throne later in life her dresses became more eloborate. The white gown she wore after the destruction of the Armada wasn't bad close to what might have been worn. There was also the mention of zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time spotting them. If they're there someone might be able to spot them when the DVD comes out and you watch it on your computer to get a really close look.

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Found on Flickr.com

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can we get them to insure the next Costume Con?

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I have not seen the movie but if you are speaking of the dark gold gown, the
head piece is a bouquet(?) of white and speckled feathers.
Gowns can be seen here
http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_elizabeth2.shtml

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-----Original Message-----
Before I went to see the movie there was talk of the costumes on another
list I'm on of people that went to see it. I agree with what was said about
the lace on the collars of the ladies that they looked like dolies. I did
not care for the flower that was on Cate Blanchetts head when Raleigh
entered the court. The fabrics were OK, but I think they needed more
ornimation--jewels, pearls, etc-- espically if it was a court gown. I mean
when Elizabeth was on the throne later in life her dresses became more
eloborate. The white gown she wore after the destruction of the Armada
wasn't bad close to what might have been worn. There was also the mention of
zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time
spotting them. If they're there someone might be able to spot them when the
DVD comes out and you watch it on your computer to get a really close look.

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Yes, the gold gown was the one in the scene. I couldn't remember what it was made of, but it made me think of a flower. I would really like to see the movie again, but it has left our local theaters. Now I'm off to check out the link you sent. Thank you.

Scarlett

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> I have not seen the movie but if you are speaking of the dark gold gown, the 
> head piece is a bouquet(?) of white and speckled feathers. 
> Gowns can be seen here 
> http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_elizabeth2.shtml 
> 
> De 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> Before I went to see the movie there was talk of the costumes on another 
> list I'm on of people that went to see it. I agree with what was said about 
> the lace on the collars of the ladies that they looked like dolies. I did 
> not care for the flower that was on Cate Blanchetts head when Raleigh 
> entered the court. The fabrics were OK, but I think they needed more 
> ornimation--jewels, pearls, etc-- espically if it was a court gown. I mean 
> when Elizabeth was on the throne later in life her dresses became more 
> eloborate. The white gown she wore after the destruction of the Armada 
> wasn't bad close to what might have been worn. There was also the mention of 
> zipper tabs being able to be seen on a few pieces, but I had a hard time 
> spotting them. If they're there someone might be able to spot them when the 
> DVD comes out and you watch it on your computer to get a really close look. 
> 
> Scarlett 
> 
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 >>There was also the mention of zipper tabs being able to be seen on a 
few pieces, but I had a hard time spotting them.

At first I though I was seeing zip tabs, in fact sometimes on the weird 
center front closing on the gowns.  However, when going over the exhibit 
pics of the gowns from the Arclight exhibit I found it's a lace and hook 
arrangement.   Check out the detail here, under "Bodice Closing" 
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/exhibit/Arclight/Elizabeth/Purple_Gown.htm

Interesting closing, doubt greatly it's historical.

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Hello!

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Henry wrote:
> > Finally! I am in this group! I have heard about it for years, and thank=
s to > Andy Trembly and Suzanne, I am here!
Welcome, Henry! We were just talking about you. People were wondering about=
 the dates for CC28, and when the website will get updated (hint, hint!).
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Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive
eating dagger? 

We want to get something garb related for Ansel's
stocking and a dagger would be about the right size.

Thanks for any input.

Rebecca Burch
Center Valley Farm
Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA

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  Wow.  Reserved parking, and I don't even have a driver's license! <G>

Liadain
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"Caution - Do Not Use In Children".....

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Found on Flickr.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeabout/1972787094/in/datetaken/

can we get them to insure the next Costume Con?

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Is this in context for the Society for Creative Anachromism?

Have not ordered from these folks
http://www.swordsofhonor.com/ip-005-2.html

De

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Rebecca Burch
Center Valley Farm
Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA


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Not SCA, he plays Captain Sir Martin Frobisher at the
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--- otsisto <otsisto@socket.net> wrote:

> Is this in context for the Society for Creative
> Anachromism?
> 
> Have not ordered from these folks
> http://www.swordsofhonor.com/ip-005-2.html
> 
> De
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive
> eating dagger? 
> 
> We want to get something garb related for Ansel's
> stocking and a dagger would be about the right size.
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
> Rebecca Burch
> Center Valley Farm
> Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA
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I think there should be a sign like that right outside fabric stores, 
especially the one I work at, costumers are always the highlight of my day, 
they buy interesting stuff and share fun projects and I understand the 
jargon. When quilters start explaining their projects to me I'm sometimes 
left with no recourse but to nod and smile coz they speak a jargon I don't 
understand or they ask me questions like 'how much fabric would you need for 
a queen size quilt' and I'm lost, I have no idea what size a Queen bed is 
(fortunately almost every other member of staff is a quilter so I can ask 
them) but ask me how much fabric would I need for X time period and I can 
usually give you a good idea off the top of my head (sometimes you need to 
elicit a few more details e.g. will the underskirt match or contrast, how 
full is the skirt etc. but at least I know how to calculate that)
--------------------------------------------
Elizabeth Walpole
Canberra Australia
ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au
http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/


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> Found on Flickr.com
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 Hi rebecca,
   I bough this dagger at the Ren Store. It is very nice for the money, I got the bone handle one, also comes in ebony colored  handle made of antler. Service is fast, their web page (that follows) also has 2 other daggers that may be ok for your needs.
   
   http://www.renstore.com/items.asp?Cc=ES%2DKNIVES&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc=
   
   hope that helps,
   happy holidays, Melody

REBECCA BURCH <ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive
eating dagger? 

We want to get something garb related for Ansel's
stocking and a dagger would be about the right size.

Thanks for any input.

Rebecca Burch
Center Valley Farm
Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA

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Just an unasked piece of information.  Daggers were used for a specific
purpose and it wasn't cutting up your food. All the actual eating knives I
have seen in European Museums and Marc de Gaukler's actual archeological
pieces look a lot like a common eating knife, or a paring knife.  The top of
the blade blunt and the bottom with an edge.  Handles were wood or bone.
Taking a look at the pictures that show them actually eating and you will
see this.

Now that I've given you a whole bunch of information that isn't what you
want...http://www.medievalwares.com/new.htm  Take a look at the knives about
1/2 way down the page.  Your boy can always look snarky at his friends and
point out that his knife is a Proper Period Style!  My eating knife is
actually a fishing knife I bought from Finland.  It has a leather scabbard
and is the sharpest thing I've ever owned.!  It also cost about $6.00 then.
Try this URL because I think they made mine:
http://www.kellamknives.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

EEE!  I just looked at the prices!  I should have invested in this company
instead of Microsoft!  Still that is the actual form that you are looking
for.

Here is the URL for a place that might satisfy him
http://www.swordsknivesanddaggers.com/catalog/medievalweapons/MedievalDagger
s.aspx

Best place to find such is at an SCA event with merchants.  I've never seen
a large grouping that doesn't have a nice selection.  I must admit to a real
weakness for sharp point objects.

Regina Romsey

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> Subject: [h-cost] Source needed
>
>
> Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive
> eating dagger?
>
> We want to get something garb related for Ansel's
> stocking and a dagger would be about the right size.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Rebecca Burch
> Center Valley Farm
> Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA
>
> The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the
> flat folds and the brocades.  --Anonymous Costumer--
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From: Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
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On Sunday 09 December 2007, Wanda Pease wrote:
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> EEE!  I just looked at the prices!  I should have invested in this company
> instead of Microsoft!  Still that is the actual form that you are looking
> for.

There's a vendor on EBay that sells small knives that match the description 
Wanda gave and that in my opinion would make great eating knives for periods  
from Viking period to 16th c. (he actually has a few different models for the 
different periods) at really good prices ($15-$25 USD for his small Viking 
knives). His EBay seller name is "sussen" and his store name is "Von Sussen 
Enterprises." I've never bought from him so I don't know how reliable he is.  
You should be aware that some of his models are your standard 
fantasy-influenced fare.  

And, darn it, he doesn't have any of the Viking-style small knives he often 
has>  Here's URLs to a 16th c reproduction and a late medieval one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/16th-C-utility-knife-historic-repro-of-museum-find-H_W0QQitemZ300180719258QQihZ020QQcategoryZ156374QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(This one is $50, but claims to be an exact reproduction of an actual find.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/14th-15th-Century-belt-utility-knife-with-Bone-handle_W0QQitemZ300179816992QQihZ020QQcategoryZ475QQcmdZViewItem
(This one is much cheaper, and the shape checks out with my memory of belt 
knives from 14th-15th c art.  They sometimes have this shape with horn or 
wood handles, and the prices differ a little depending on which substance is 
used.)

My own eating knife is a reproduction of a standard, single-edged small Viking 
knife that I bought from Ragweed Forge, but he got the last of their 
production runs, and I don't think he has them any more.    It was $40.

-- 
Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>

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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elisabeth: The golden age
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but just from looking at the stills...   
what is it with the fountains of feathers jetting straight up from  
the top of her head?

http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/red4.jpg

http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/white27.jpg

and especially

http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/gold2.jpg

which moves straight past queen and right into drag queen.

I see numerous other creatively-interpreted details in the stills,  
but no one expected the costumes in this movie to be accurate to the  
period.

Melanie Schuessler
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Hmmm I used to play Sir Martin Frobisher for Rennaisance PLeasure iFaire in 
Southern California.

Ron Carnegie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "REBECCA BURCH" <ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: OT Source needed


> Not SCA, he plays Captain Sir Martin Frobisher at the
> Bristol Ren Faire.
>
> --- otsisto <otsisto@socket.net> wrote:
>
>> Is this in context for the Society for Creative
>> Anachromism?
>>
>> Have not ordered from these folks
>> http://www.swordsofhonor.com/ip-005-2.html
>>
>> De
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive
>> eating dagger?
>>
>> We want to get something garb related for Ansel's
>> stocking and a dagger would be about the right size.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>> Rebecca Burch
>> Center Valley Farm
>> Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> Rebecca Burch
> Center Valley Farm
> Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA
>
> The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat 
> folds and the brocades.  --Anonymous Costumer--
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On Sunday 09 December 2007, Melanie Schuessler wrote:
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> and especially
>
> http://www.costumersguide.com/elizabeth2/gold2.jpg
>
> which moves straight past queen and right into drag queen.

Good God, what is that thing made of?  It looks like it's sewn from modern 
fabric with gold lame painted spots on it.  

No, wait a minute...I think it's just feathers spattered with gold paint.  
Either way, I second what you said about it.  Ew.

>
> I see numerous other creatively-interpreted details in the stills,
> but no one expected the costumes in this movie to be accurate to the
> period.

Heaven knows I didn't, since I'd seen the first "Elizabeth" movie by the same 
director.   It's kind of a pity there was no real interest in authenticity, 
since the neck ruffs seem to have been nicely done, judging by the pictures 
you referenced in your post.  If the right people had cared, this movie could 
have been at least visually splendid.

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Way to go Karl!!!!  I'm sure I'm leaving out his other titles, but at least
three of them are Master and Sir and Viscount Karl von Sussen.  I bet he has
his own page in the East Kingdom OP.

He may be startled to hear this but He is one of the number Princes that I
respect the most.  He is one of those who disagreed with my ideas of how
Drachenwald should run, and the Coronet's Word is Law (Gag, hack, spit!)
which I despise almost as much as the Crown's Word is Law, which is far too
often brought out, even by the Queens as "The King's Word is Law, which IT
IS NOT (yes, I'm yelling in a good natured type of way.   If you don't
believe me read your Kingdom Laws.  Bet they say:  The Word of the Crown is
Law and then defines the Crown as the King AND Queen reigning jointly.  So
much for your important history lesson today.  Those who forget that it is
the same with the President, Congress, and Supreme Court sharing power are
likely to find them Cold, in danger, and away from home in a strange place
this Christmas.  Along with those who remembered and are doing their DUTY as
sworn to when they enlisted:  "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
(Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in
1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

While some only hear the part about the orders of the President of the
United States, the Constitution actually has precedence.

At any rate, we disagreed and he came to Curia expecting blood to run.
Fortunately I had been warned about what the Seneschal of the time had
engineered and the two of us took the newly written piece of junk and made
it a working document.  Interestingly enough, I've noticed that the present
Laws look a lot like those we hammered out those first 10 years of being a
Principality.  The Europeans have "been there, seen that, and know what the
laws of their medieval countries REALLY said and meant.

At any rate, he is an honorable man who I would recommend in a heart beat.
Not only because of his titles (we all know how much they can be made to
mean!) but because he is and was a reasonable man who wanted what was best
for the Principality he co-ruled (Princess)  but for her people as well.

Regina Romsey
OL, OP, Drachenwald/East, Now Proud Resident of the Laurel Kingdom of AnTir
and the Pacific NorthWet

> .
>
> And, darn it, he doesn't have any of the Viking-style small
> knives he often
> has>  Here's URLs to a 16th c reproduction and a late medieval one:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/16th-C-utility-knife-historic-repro-of-museum-
> find-H_W0QQitemZ300180719258QQihZ020QQcategoryZ156374QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> (This one is $50, but claims to be an exact reproduction of an
> actual find.)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/14th-15th-Century-belt-utility-knife-with-Bone
> -handle_W0QQitemZ300179816992QQihZ020QQcategoryZ475QQcmdZViewItem
> (This one is much cheaper, and the shape checks out with my
> memory of belt
> knives from 14th-15th c art.  They sometimes have this shape with horn or
> wood handles, and the prices differ a little depending on which
> substance is
> used.)
>
> My own eating knife is a reproduction of a standard, single-edged
> small Viking
> knife that I bought from Ragweed Forge, but he got the last of their
> production runs, and I don't think he has them any more.    It was $40.
>
>

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On Monday 10 December 2007, Wanda Pease wrote:
> Way to go Karl!!!!  I'm sure I'm leaving out his other titles, but at least
> three of them are Master and Sir and Viscount Karl von Sussen.  I bet he
> has his own page in the East Kingdom OP.

[snipping anecdote]

>At any rate, he is an honorable man who I would recommend in a heart beat.
> Not only because of his titles (we all know how much they can be made to
> mean!) but because he is and was a reasonable man who wanted what was best
> for the Principality he co-ruled (Princess)  but for her people as well.

I was mostly just thinking about the quality of the gentleman's products and 
his practices as a seller on EBay, but if you're personally familiar with him 
(as I am not) then there's nothing to add!  

-- 
Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>

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Thanks to all who sent sources for eating knives. I
have ordered one, not the one I would really like, but
it will do for the time being. I have saved all the
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Thanks again, you guys are always the best source for info.

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Hi De,

2007/12/8, otsisto <otsisto@socket.net>:
>
> Actually, the blue comes from the saying
> wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.
> Which was originally:
> Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a
> silver sixpence in her shoe.
> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.

... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter?


A friend of us who will be MC at the reception. He has  apparently been to 6
(German) weddings already this year.

The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity.


I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas
Geliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German booklet with marriage tips. But it was
quoted to me again by a friend of us who will be MC at our reception and has
apparently been at 6 (German) weddings this year already. It just occurred
to me the other day that it actually rhymes in English "something old,
something new, something borrowed, something blue". The booklet said the
color blue was to symbolise the hope for a son.

I
> think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for
> wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that.


Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses
which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" ,
but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think
even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated.


Carol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter. I will ask them if they
haven't heard of the tradition :-)

B M
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Barbara -_- M aren wrote:

>>think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for
>>wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that.
>>    
>>
>
>
>Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses
>which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" ,
>but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think
>even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated.
>  
>


I went to a similar exhibition a few years ago.  Out of thirty-odd 
dresses, there was only one white, and I don't remember any particular 
colour trend.  I think there were quite a few strong/dark colours as 
well as some light ones, so I suspect that colour was a function of 
season, fashion, and personal taste.

-- 
Adele de Maisieres

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> I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas
> Geliehenes, etwas Blaues"

     Und ein lucky Deutschmark in her Schue?  (Sorry, reaching back to
high school German!)

> Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal
> dresses which weren't white, and many could probably just count as
> "Sunday best", but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like
> blue.

     At some point in the 18th century, white and silver became
fashionable for wedding gowns.  That was for those who could afford
it!  But still most women were married in their best dress.  I think
Queen Victoria renewed the fashion for white again, but still not
everyone could afford a white dress just for their wedding.  I'm not
sure when a white dress became affordable for "all," but maybe 20th
century?

     -Carol

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Hi, 
  I remember seeing a totally blue garter at the chain store "Party City" ,they have a bridal section with decorations,favors,memory books bride's and groom's garters, also had the "sixpence" for your shoe.
    Melody

Barbara -_- M aren <bmwbmwb@gmail.com> wrote:
  Hi De,

2007/12/8, otsisto :
>
> Actually, the blue comes from the saying
> wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.
> Which was originally:
> Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a
> silver sixpence in her shoe.
> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.

... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter?


A friend of us who will be MC at the reception. He has apparently been to 6
(German) weddings already this year.

The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity.


I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas
Geliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German booklet with marriage tips. But it was
quoted to me again by a friend of us who will be MC at our reception and has
apparently been at 6 (German) weddings this year already. It just occurred
to me the other day that it actually rhymes in English "something old,
something new, something borrowed, something blue". The booklet said the
color blue was to symbolise the hope for a son.

I
> think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for
> wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that.


Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses
which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" ,
but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think
even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated.


Carol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter. I will ask them if they
haven't heard of the tradition :-)

B M
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Hi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric (an embroidered organza) to start 
thinking about Regency, my biggest problem has been underwear but as Past 
Patterns has a 20% off sale I thought that I might use Past pattern #001 
http://www.pastpatterns.com/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper than the 
only other commercial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length 
corset, Mantua maker) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked 
1820s-40s the pictures didn't seem too far off the Regency style corset, has 
anybody used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an idea 
of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try 
making adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing.
thanks
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Does anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from 
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In the period of the '80s and 90s, a very popular color for wedding gowns 
was coffee-au-lait. Not brown exactly, but stronger than cream.  I have seen 
two Worth gowns of this period, with provenance of being wedding gowns.

kathleen
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> Barbara -_- M aren wrote:
>
>>>think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for
>>>wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal 
>>dresses
>>which weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday best" ,
>>but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I 
>>think
>>even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated.
>>
>
>
> I went to a similar exhibition a few years ago.  Out of thirty-odd 
> dresses, there was only one white, and I don't remember any particular 
> colour trend.  I think there were quite a few strong/dark colours as well 
> as some light ones, so I suspect that colour was a function of season, 
> fashion, and personal taste.
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> Does anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from about 
> 1580-1620? I already found a good page here http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz 
> which gives me a great start, but any other images would be a great help.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Suzi

This page has most of the on-line images that I found.  I built a 1620's 
style masque costume for a client a couple of years ago, and most of what I 
found was in off-line sources.   The originals of the Inigo Jones designs 
are in the Devonshire collections at Chatsworth; one of the universities 
local to me has an 18th cen. copy that we used intensively.

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The blue garter tradition, I believe, is a modern way of dealing with 
the something blue.  If you buy a new blue garter then all you need is 
something old, something borrowed and sixpence (or penny) for your 
shoe.   I remember my aunt used an antique sapphire necklace that she 
borrowed from my grandmother.  I can't remember what I used for mine, 
but I had a non-traditional wedding.  I wore tie-dyed velour in reds and 
oranges and had bridesmen in red Nehru Jackets;-). 

As for white wedding dresses that is definitely a late-Victorian 
tradition.  Remember, the French used white as a color of mourning for 
many centuries.  I think it is only in the 20th century that they 
started using black.  It would be interesting to see if the "white 
wedding" was an American pretension that transferred back across the 
pond.  I seem to remember seeing mostly American Heiresses trying to 
emulate Queen Victoria in their wedding dresses.  A lot of American 
cultural traditions got started in the 19th century with the daughters 
of the Industrialists and robber barons trying to create the image of 
"Royalty".  Got to love us Yanks, we love and are fascinated with 
royalty, but don't really want any of our own.  At least, none that have 
an official title :-)  (movie stars don't count).

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> Hi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric (an embroidered organza) to 
start 
> thinking about Regency, my biggest problem has been underwear but as 
Past 
> Patterns has a 20% off sale I thought that I might use Past pattern #001 

> http://www.pastpatterns.com/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper than 
the 
> only other commercial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length 
> corset, Mantua maker) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked 
> 1820s-40s the pictures didn't seem too far off the Regency style corset, 
has 
> anybody used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an 
idea 
> of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try 
> making adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing.

That was the pattern I started from for my Regency corset, because it does 
seem very similar to the c1810 corsets to me too :-) Just as a warning, a 
friend of mine and I _struggled_ to do the fitting for the corset, 'cause 
we'd chosen to do the one with no side seam (only bust and hip gores) 
which eventually worked but was the most difficult fitting project that 
either of us had ever done. Now that the construction is all done, it's a 
wonderful corset! Fun to wear :-)
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I have largely been bypassing this thread for a while, but a thought came t=
o mind whilst jumping into random discussions. I finally found a little ins=
piration! I made a pretty garland for my front door and a lovely gold and t=
iger's eye necklace to wear at my daughter's Christmas concert. I am so ple=
ased with myself. =0A=0AI don't know when the date of this wedding under di=
scussion is, but I used to make ribbon embroidered, French heirloom sewn ga=
rters for brides. It was often one of my gifts to them. I may still have my=
 collection of antique hankies, too.I still have all of my silk ribbons and=
 embroidery silks in loads of shades of blue, and vintage laces kicking aro=
und. If the bride in question thinks I have enough time to make one and the=
n have it arrive to her in time,  I could be convinced of the idea. :-) It'=
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traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0A      (aquazoo@patriot.net)=0A   4. Re:=
 Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) blue    garter=0A      selle=
r (Melody Watts)=0A   5. opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency (Elizab=
eth Walpole)=0A   6. Masque Costume (Suzi Clarke)=0A   7. Re: Re: Wedding t=
raditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) (LLOYD=0A MITCHELL)=0A   8. Re: Masque Cos=
tume (Carmen Beaudry)=0A=0A=0A---------------------------------------------=
-------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 1=0ADate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:38=
 +1100=0AFrom: "Barbara -_- M aren" <bmwbmwb@gmail.com>=0ASubject: [h-cost]=
 Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0ATo: "Historical Costume" <=
h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID:=0A    <228c7530712111708pe23e687i3f9e1fa=
7b0242ef7@mail.gmail.com>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1=
=0A=0AHi De,=0A=0A2007/12/8, otsisto <otsisto@socket.net>:=0A>=0A> Actually=
, the blue comes from the saying=0A> wear something old, something new, som=
ething borrowed, something=0A blue.=0A> Which was originally:=0A> Something=
 old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and=0A a=0A> silver=
 sixpence in her shoe.=0A> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.=
=0A=0A... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter?=0A=0A=0AA friend of=
 us who will be MC at the reception. He has  apparently been=0A to 6=0A(Ger=
man) weddings already this year.=0A=0AThe color blue is alleged to be a sym=
bol of love, modesty and fidelity.=0A=0A=0AI read about the tradition to we=
ar "etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas=0AGeliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German=
 booklet with marriage tips. But=0A it was=0Aquoted to me again by a friend=
 of us who will be MC at our reception=0A and has=0Aapparently been at 6 (G=
erman) weddings this year already. It just=0A occurred=0Ato me the other da=
y that it actually rhymes in English "something old,=0Asomething new, somet=
hing borrowed, something blue". The booklet said=0A the=0Acolor blue was to=
 symbolise the hope for a son.=0A=0AI=0A> think that prior to the Edwardian=
 era, that blue was a popular color=0A for=0A> wedding dresses but I can't =
remember where I read that.=0A=0A=0AHm, at the costume museum in Bath, I re=
member seeing pre-1900 bridal=0A dresses=0Awhich weren't white, and many co=
uld probably just count as "Sunday=0A best" ,=0Abut couldn't spot a trend t=
o a particular color like blue. In fact, I=0A think=0Aeven then light, past=
el or cream colors dominated.=0A=0A=0ACarol, I will try a bridal shop for a=
 blue garter. I will ask them if=0A they=0Ahaven't heard of the tradition :=
-)=0A=0AB M=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 2=0ADate: =
Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:12:12 +1300=0AFrom: Adele de Maisieres <ladyadele@parad=
ise.net.nz>=0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a =
Hoop )=0ATo: Historical Costume <h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID: <475F43=
7C.10000@paradise.net.nz>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=
 format=3Dflowed=0A=0ABarbara -_- M aren wrote:=0A=0A>>think that prior to =
the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color=0A for=0A>>wedding dresses=
 but I can't remember where I read that.=0A>>    =0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hm, at th=
e costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal=0A dresses=0A>w=
hich weren't white, and many could probably just count as "Sunday=0A best" =
,=0A>but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I=
=0A think=0A>even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated.=0A>  =0A>=
=0A=0A=0AI went to a similar exhibition a few years ago.  Out of thirty-odd=
 =0Adresses, there was only one white, and I don't remember any particular =
=0Acolour trend.  I think there were quite a few strong/dark colours as =0A=
well as some light ones, so I suspect that colour was a function of =0Aseas=
on, fashion, and personal taste.=0A=0A-- =0AAdele de Maisieres=0A=0A-------=
----------------------=0AHabeo metrum - musicamque,=0Ahominem meam. Expecta=
t alium quid?=0A-Georgeus Gershwinus=0A----------------------------- =0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 3=0ADate: Tue, 11 Dec=
 2007 23:40:19 -0500 (EST)=0AFrom: aquazoo@patriot.net=0ASubject: Re: [h-co=
st] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0ATo: "Historical Costume=
" <h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID:=0A    <62058.72.13.239.193.1197434419=
.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net>=0AContent-Type: text/plain;charset=3Diso-885=
9-1=0A=0A=0A> I read about the tradition to wear "etwas Altes, etwas Neues,=
 etwas=0A> Geliehenes, etwas Blaues"=0A=0A     Und ein lucky Deutschmark in=
 her Schue?  (Sorry, reaching back to=0Ahigh school German!)=0A=0A> Hm, at =
the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal=0A> dresses w=
hich weren't white, and many could probably just count as=0A> "Sunday best"=
, but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like=0A> blue.=0A=0A     =
At some point in the 18th century, white and silver became=0Afashionable fo=
r wedding gowns.  That was for those who could afford=0Ait!  But still most=
 women were married in their best dress.  I think=0AQueen Victoria renewed =
the fashion for white again, but still not=0Aeveryone could afford a white =
dress just for their wedding.  I'm not=0Asure when a white dress became aff=
ordable for "all," but maybe 20th=0Acentury?=0A=0A     -Carol=0A=0A=0A=0A--=
----------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 4=0ADate: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:45=
:48 -0800 (PST)=0AFrom: Melody Watts <celticredhead2002@yahoo.com>=0ASubjec=
t: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0A    blue   =
 garter seller=0ATo: Historical Costume <h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID:=
 <968031.24994.qm@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1=0A=0AHi, =0A  I remember seeing a totally blue garter =
at the chain store "Party=0A City" ,they have a bridal section with decorat=
ions,favors,memory books=0A bride's and groom's garters, also had the "sixp=
ence" for your shoe.=0A    Melody=0A=0ABarbara -_- M aren <bmwbmwb@gmail.co=
m> wrote:=0A  Hi De,=0A=0A2007/12/8, otsisto :=0A>=0A> Actually, the blue c=
omes from the saying=0A> wear something old, something new, something borro=
wed, something=0A blue.=0A> Which was originally:=0A> Something old, someth=
ing new, something borrowed, something blue and=0A a=0A> silver sixpence in=
 her shoe.=0A> English bridal tradition from the Victorian era.=0A=0A... Wh=
ose telling you have to have a blue garter?=0A=0A=0AA friend of us who will=
 be MC at the reception. He has apparently been=0A to 6=0A(German) weddings=
 already this year.=0A=0AThe color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, =
modesty and fidelity.=0A=0A=0AI read about the tradition to wear "etwas Alt=
es, etwas Neues, etwas=0AGeliehenes, etwas Blaues" in a German booklet with=
 marriage tips. But=0A it was=0Aquoted to me again by a friend of us who wi=
ll be MC at our reception=0A and has=0Aapparently been at 6 (German) weddin=
gs this year already. It just=0A occurred=0Ato me the other day that it act=
ually rhymes in English "something old,=0Asomething new, something borrowed=
, something blue". The booklet said=0A the=0Acolor blue was to symbolise th=
e hope for a son.=0A=0AI=0A> think that prior to the Edwardian era, that bl=
ue was a popular color=0A for=0A> wedding dresses but I can't remember wher=
e I read that.=0A=0A=0AHm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing=
 pre-1900 bridal=0A dresses=0Awhich weren't white, and many could probably =
just count as "Sunday=0A best" ,=0Abut couldn't spot a trend to a particula=
r color like blue. In fact, I=0A think=0Aeven then light, pastel or cream c=
olors dominated.=0A=0A=0ACarol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter.=
 I will ask them if=0A they=0Ahaven't heard of the tradition :-)=0A=0AB M=
=0A_______________________________________________=0Ah-costume mailing list=
=0Ah-costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-cost=
ume=0A=0A=0A       =0A---------------------------------=0ABe a better frien=
d, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try=0A it now.=0A=0A----=
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5 +1100=0AFrom: "Elizabeth Walpole" <ewalpole@tpg.com.au>=0ASubject: [h-cos=
t] opinions of Past patterns #001 for Regency=0ATo: "Historic Costume" <h-c=
ostume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID: <001001c83cb7$2876dfa0$69dcf4dc@user4712b7d=
135>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";=
=0A    reply-type=3Doriginal=0A=0AHi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric=
 (an embroidered organza) to=0A start =0Athinking about Regency, my biggest=
 problem has been underwear but as=0A Past =0APatterns has a 20% off sale I=
 thought that I might use Past pattern=0A #001 =0Ahttp://www.pastpatterns.c=
om/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper=0A than the =0Aonly other commer=
cial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length =0Acorset, Mantua make=
r) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked=0A =0A1820s-40s the pi=
ctures didn't seem too far off the Regency style=0A corset, has =0Aanybody =
used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an=0A idea =0A=
of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try =0Am=
aking adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing.=0Athanks=0AElizabeth=
=0A--------------------------------------------=0AElizabeth Walpole=0ACanbe=
rra Australia=0Aewalpole[at]tpg.com.au=0Ahttp://au.geocities.com/amiperiodo=
rnot/=0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 6=0ADate: Wed=
, 12 Dec 2007 12:53:51 +0000=0AFrom: Suzi Clarke <suzi@suziclarke.co.uk>=0A=
Subject: [h-cost] Masque Costume=0ATo: Historical Costume <h-costume@indra.=
com>=0AMessage-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071212125210.035406e8@suziclarke.co.uk>=0AC=
ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed=0A=0A=0ADoes=
 anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from =0Aabout 158=
0-1620? I already found a good page here =0Ahttp://tinyurl.com/25y7cz which=
 gives me a great start, but any other =0Aimages would be a great help.=0A=
=0AThanks.=0A=0ASuzi=0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage=
: 7=0ADate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:43:50 -0500=0AFrom: "LLOYD MITCHELL" <rmitc=
hell@washjeff.edu>=0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tang=
o in a Hoop )=0ATo: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID=
: <005001c83ccd$6957c0a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; =
format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";=0A    reply-type=3Dresponse=0A=0AI=
n the period of the '80s and 90s, a very popular color for wedding=0A gowns=
 =0Awas coffee-au-lait. Not brown exactly, but stronger than cream.  I have=
=0A seen =0Atwo Worth gowns of this period, with provenance of being weddin=
g gowns.=0A=0Akathleen=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Adele de Ma=
isieres" <ladyadele@paradise.net.nz>=0ATo: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@=
indra.com>=0ASent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: [h-cos=
t] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop )=0A=0A=0A> Barbara -_- M ar=
en wrote:=0A>=0A>>>think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a p=
opular color=0A for=0A>>>wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read =
that.=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember see=
ing pre-1900 bridal =0A>>dresses=0A>>which weren't white, and many could pr=
obably just count as "Sunday=0A best" ,=0A>>but couldn't spot a trend to a =
particular color like blue. In fact, I=0A =0A>>think=0A>>even then light, p=
astel or cream colors dominated.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A> I went to a similar exhib=
ition a few years ago.  Out of thirty-odd =0A> dresses, there was only one =
white, and I don't remember any=0A particular =0A> colour trend.  I think t=
here were quite a few strong/dark colours as=0A well =0A> as some light one=
s, so I suspect that colour was a function of=0A season, =0A> fashion, and =
personal taste.=0A>=0A> -- =0A> Adele de Maisieres=0A>=0A> ----------------=
-------------=0A> Habeo metrum - musicamque,=0A> hominem meam. Expectat ali=
um quid?=0A> -Georgeus Gershwinus=0A> ----------------------------- =0A>=0A=
>=0A> _______________________________________________=0A> h-costume mailing=
 list=0A> h-costume@mail.indra.com=0A> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listin=
fo/h-costume =0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 8=0AD=
ate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:52:37 -0800=0AFrom: "Carmen Beaudry" <moreplentyn@=
earthlink.net>=0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Masque Costume=0ATo: "Historical Cos=
tume" <h-costume@indra.com>=0AMessage-ID: <00fd01c83ce7$cb760340$0300a8c0@b=
oris>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1";=
=0A    reply-type=3Dresponse=0A=0A> Does anyone have an online source of im=
ages of masque costume from=0A about =0A> 1580-1620? I already found a good=
 page here http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz=0A =0A> which gives me a great start, =
but any other images would be a great=0A help.=0A>=0A> Thanks.=0A>=0A> Suzi=
=0A=0AThis page has most of the on-line images that I found.  I built a=0A =
1620's =0Astyle masque costume for a client a couple of years ago, and most=
 of=0A what I =0Afound was in off-line sources.   The originals of the Inig=
o Jones=0A designs =0Aare in the Devonshire collections at Chatsworth; one =
of the=0A universities =0Alocal to me has an 18th cen. copy that we used in=
tensively.=0A=0AMelusine =0A=0A=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0A__=
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I've just recently joined this list and have enjoyed the discussions so  far. 
 And I've also enjoyed seeing posts from several old and new  friends!  
 
My experience with the "blue garter" is this:  Having attended  weddings 
where the groom tried to throw the garter just to have it "float", I  decided to 
weight mine.  I made it with a length of light-socket pull-cord  chain between 
the layers of blue ribbon.  You just have to make sure you  don't kneel on it! 
  
 
(Robin:  Ask Dana about it.  I think he was the one who caught  it!)  
 
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My Aunt made a blue garter with a tiny pouch for a new penny (year of
marrage). Thus covering the blue, new and "sixpence". If my cousin passes it
on, you have added the something old.
The weight of the penny solved the floating problem. :)

De

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I've just recently joined this list and have enjoyed the discussions so
far.
 And I've also enjoyed seeing posts from several old and new  friends!

My experience with the "blue garter" is this:  Having attended  weddings
where the groom tried to throw the garter just to have it "float", I
decided to
weight mine.  I made it with a length of light-socket pull-cord  chain
between
the layers of blue ribbon.  You just have to make sure you  don't kneel on
it!


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At 17:52 12/12/2007, you wrote:
>>Does anyone have an online source of images of masque costume from 
>>about 1580-1620? I already found a good page here 
>>http://tinyurl.com/25y7cz which gives me a great start, but any 
>>other images would be a great help.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
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>This page has most of the on-line images that I found.  I built a 
>1620's style masque costume for a client a couple of years ago, and 
>most of what I found was in off-line sources.   The originals of the 
>Inigo Jones designs are in the Devonshire collections at Chatsworth; 
>one of the universities local to me has an 18th cen. copy that we 
>used intensively.


I'd forgotten about the Chatsworth collection, but really don't have 
the time, or the research money to check that out, which is why I 
needed on-line resources. Thanks anyway.

Suzi

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The only thing I could suggest is to get a smaller
dress form, something close to what you "ideally" want
to drop your size to, and then add padding to it to
make it fit your current size.

I've tried duct tape doubles, brown paper tape
versions, and the biggest issue I have is that my body
shape is in constant flux. I even bought a store brand
dritz or something that is now too big as I have lost
some weight. And the body shape was never right
anyways, as my torso is long, and my lower half's
largeness is in a different area than where it is on
the dress form.

My plan for now is to get a Uniquely You dress form at
my hoped for future size (or smaller), a different
sized cover to fit the current me, and pad it up to
fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that
it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too...
with a little added padding in the breast area, as I
understand that squishes in, not up.

hth,

Kimiko

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<snip>  So, what I want to know is: What
> dress form would you 
> recommend for a for a gal like me? 
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> 
> *Peggy Viney *



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I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link.
It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and =
onwards, year by year.
Go to this page:
http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.h=
tml
click on recherche simple.
Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection =
macinet, then click recherche.
Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click =
under where it says voir les notices
Then the title of the book appears to the right, click the link in the =
bottom.
Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge =
resolution images wich pops up in new windows.
They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man?
I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said =
here, it should work for you!
There is enough for days i tell you........................

Bjarne
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Hi I was wondering if there have been any papers or research done on a favorite, Muppet's Christmas Carol? ONe of my students wrote a paper about how accuarte or in accurate the clothing in the film is. I wanted something to compare with her anaysis IF there are any serious papers or articles out there.
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Wow!  Thanks, it's a wonderful resource.  I'll be busy for a while.
Thanks for telling us how to use the site too.

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What class are you teaching?  Theater costume, history of  costume?  Seems to 
me, you can rate how "good" the costumes are by  comparing to known English 
dress of the period, and thus determine how good your  student's analysis is.  
However, as has happened with many things, I think  the whole "Dickens" thing, 
and especially "A Christmas Carol," has become  stylized and there are 
probably elements that have come to be expected, whether  they were originally 
authentic or not.  I imagine the 1938 film has heavily  influenced all subsequent 
productions, except, of course, for those deliberately  set in other time 
periods.  And also, of course, there is the extra wrinkle  of designing costumes 
for puppets!
 
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> My plan for now is to get a Uniquely You dress form at
> my hoped for future size (or smaller), a different
> sized cover to fit the current me, and pad it up to
> fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that
> it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too...
> with a little added padding in the breast area, as I
> understand that squishes in, not up.

I have not found the Uniquely You dress forms to be squishable enough to 
put a corset on it - the cover really compacts the foam down (at least 
mine does...) to the point that there is no "squish" left for the corset 
to manipulate. My current plan is to get a second cover and shape it to me 
while I'm wearing a corset, and hopefully that will result in a corseted 
form for draping/fitting on.

Best of luck!
          -sunny

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Hee, this post I made to another list a few months back is still pretty much 
word-for-word applicable:

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I have a Uniquely You dress form, and overall I'm happy with it.  But... I 
had to do a lot of work on it to get it to that point.  Though I ordered the 
size that I should have according to their info, it was way too large; I 
really wish I'd ordered the next small size.

Far more frustrating, though, was the fact that the bust was several inches 
too low.  In order to fix this, I peeled the two halves apart, hollowed out 
the upper chest, then glued them back together with the upper chest 
compacted so that the bust was raised.  Also, I kicked the thing several 
times, which helped.  Then of course the bottom front was about 4 inches 
shorter than the bottom back, so I had to do yet more carving.  Then I took 
a long look at the included cover, sneered, duct taped myself, made a 
pattern from the duct tape, and sewed my own cover.  Since the form was 
still too big, I wound up having to lace the cover shut, as zippers were too 
paltry a closure.

It's quite a good match, now, except that the lacing is a bit bulkier than 
I'd like, and the waist is an inch too high.  Also, it's no longer 
particularly corsetable, since I had to compress it so much to get it into a 
cover that fit me; it's already nearly as squished as it'll get. (By the 
same token, I can't use it to mark the hem on self-supporting gowns, as the 
front line would be off.) It's still useful for a lot of clothing, though, 
and I'm reasonably happy with it, but I would not do it again for at least 
another 5 years or so, and if I ever do, I'll do many things differently. 
For starters, I'd get one a size or two smaller--far easier to pad it up 
than vice versa.

Which explains why what I'd get if I were in the market and had ~$400+ to 
blow is one of these:
http://www.fabulousfit.com/ which comes with a system of pads that adjust it 
to your size.  Though they use a knit cover for it, you could just as easily 
make a custom-fitted cover of the same type you'd use on the Uniquely You. 
Make the cover easy to remove/switch out, and you can adjust the form to 
various shapes: corseted, self-supported, modern, etc, and maybe even male. 
Oooo, and though I'm way to cheap to ever spring for one, I'd love to have 
one of the ones with bendable arms...

-E House 

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I have the Uniquely You form also and my plan is to saw off the perky bosom and add one of my bras stuffed to match me.  I think that will squish just fine under a corset.

Cactus


--- On Wed, 12/12/07, Kimiko Small <sstormwatch@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kimiko Small <sstormwatch@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Dress forms...
> To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 5:28 PM
> The only thing I could suggest is to get a smaller
> dress form, something close to what you "ideally"
> want
> to drop your size to, and then add padding to it to
> make it fit your current size.
> 
> I've tried duct tape doubles, brown paper tape
> versions, and the biggest issue I have is that my body
> shape is in constant flux. I even bought a store brand
> dritz or something that is now too big as I have lost
> some weight. And the body shape was never right
> anyways, as my torso is long, and my lower half's
> largeness is in a different area than where it is on
> the dress form.
> 
> My plan for now is to get a Uniquely You dress form at
> my hoped for future size (or smaller), a different
> sized cover to fit the current me, and pad it up to
> fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that
> it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too...
> with a little added padding in the breast area, as I
> understand that squishes in, not up.
> 
> hth,
> 
> Kimiko
> 
> --- Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus
> <peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>  So, what I want to know is: What
> > dress form would you 
> > recommend for a for a gal like me? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > -- 
> > 
> > *Peggy Viney *
> 
> 
> 
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Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds a good
costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done anything like
Sally's calendars.

LynnD


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>
> On Friday 07 December 2007, A. Thurman wrote:
> > AFAIK, this is the last year the company is doing calendars. Her
> > latest effort is largely the USA Costume Collections guide.
>
> Dang.  I was afraid it was something like that.  Thanks for the
> information.
>
> Anyone know of a calendar with costume-related photos or art that's being
> sold
> for 2008?
>
> --
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A while back there was a thread centered on re-fashioning old clothes, whic=
h I remember the elders doing when I was young, and I have dabbled in a bit=
 from time to time.
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This time I have inadvertently wandered into serious re-making territory.  =
It is a long story involving lack of finances and my 15 year old daughter's=
 incredible pickiness in terms of fit and fashion, but the bottom line is t=
hat I have agreed to use the only acceptable-to-her second hand coat (camel=
 wool) as a pattern and use another second hand wool coat (cranberry wool) =
for the fabric.
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We have taken apart both coats and I realized that the pockets that have be=
en attached to the cranberry coat have been there for about 20-30 years, an=
d have left deep impressions in the underlying wool.  There is no way to di=
sguise them and the use of the fabric demands that they will be just about =
center front or center back.  If I can't find a way to remove these impress=
ions, it will be the fatal flaw in the plan.  There is no color discrepancy=
 or wear marks so the flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this a=
s the fabric.
=20
One thing I've learned on this list is that there is a vast amount of exper=
ience of ALL sorts among you.  Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket de=
pression"?
=20
Thanks in advance,
Laurie
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Bjarne,

You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL!  Either way, thank you so much for that
link and the directions for navigating the web-site.  The images are
incredible!

Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending the
whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just might!

Happy Holidays everyone!

Laurie T.
Phoenix, Arizona

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I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link.
It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and onwards,
year by year.
Go to this page:
http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html
click on recherche simple.
Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection
macinet, then click recherche.
Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click under
where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the
right, click the link in the bottom.
Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge
resolution images wich pops up in new windows.
They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man?
I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said here,
it should work for you!
There is enough for days i tell you........................

Bjarne
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I vote for WONDERFUL!
Patty

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Bjarne,

You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL!  Either way, thank you so much for
that
link and the directions for navigating the web-site.  The images are
incredible!

Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending
the
whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just
might!

Happy Holidays everyone!

Laurie T.
Phoenix, Arizona

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Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database

I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link.
It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and
onwards,
year by year.
Go to this page:
http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.
html
click on recherche simple.
Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection
macinet, then click recherche.
Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click
under
where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the
right, click the link in the bottom.
Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge
resolution images wich pops up in new windows.
They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man?
I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said
here,
it should work for you!
There is enough for days i tell you........................

Bjarne
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Can you get matching or contrasting soutache braid and cover it with a design?
Althea

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:33 -0800, zelda crusher wrote
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> of experience of ALL sorts among you.  Can anyone suggest a cure for 
> the "pocket depression"?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
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Not really, the impressions on the cut piece will end up being approximatel=
y an "L" shape between the bust line and the waist on both sides.  I can't =
think of any way to cover them up or disguise them that wouldn't look, well=
, avant garde, at best.  She's 15, avant garde is just plain weird to her,l=
ol.  And I am so not going through all this to have her not wear the thing!
But I thank you for your response, Althea.
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Laurie> From: althea@alfalfapress.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: RE=
: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?)> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:29:42 -0500> CC: > > =
Can you get matching or contrasting soutache braid and cover it with a desi=
gn?> Althea> > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:33 -0800, zelda crusher wrote> > O=
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Have you tried water and/or steam? Warm water without agitation or 
temperature shock will not felt it. Let it soak so it's thoroughly wet. Or 
try A LOT of steam and some agitation of sorts, fold it, pull on it, bang 
it on a table, anything which might dislodge fibers from their compressed 
state.

Beth


On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, zelda crusher wrote:

>
> A while back there was a thread centered on re-fashioning old clothes, which I remember the elders doing when I was young, and I have dabbled in a bit from time to time.
>
> This time I have inadvertently wandered into serious re-making territory.  It is a long story involving lack of finances and my 15 year old daughter's incredible pickiness in terms of fit and fashion, but the bottom line is that I have agreed to use the only acceptable-to-her second hand coat (camel wool) as a pattern and use another second hand wool coat (cranberry wool) for the fabric.
>
> We have taken apart both coats and I realized that the pockets that have been attached to the cranberry coat have been there for about 20-30 years, and have left deep impressions in the underlying wool.  There is no way to disguise them and the use of the fabric demands that they will be just about center front or center back.  If I can't find a way to remove these impressions, it will be the fatal flaw in the plan.  There is no color discrepancy or wear marks so the flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this as the fabric.
>
> One thing I've learned on this list is that there is a vast amount of experience of ALL sorts among you.  Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket depression"?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Laurie
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Have you tried water and/or steam? Warm water without agitation or=20
temperature shock will not felt it. Let it soak so it's thoroughly wet.
Or=20
try A LOT of steam and some agitation of sorts, fold it, pull on it,
bang=20
it on a table, anything which might dislodge fibers from their
compressed=20
state.

Beth

Would suction (e.g. vacuum cleaner) work in combination with this?
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I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all =
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It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their =
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lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains.
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I don't know about more expensive fabrics but I've used regular
shampoo to remove blood from clothing.  There was a lot of blood - I
was at the scene of a car accident involving a small child that these
men just pulled from the vehicle and set down at the side of the
highway.  She had a cut on her head, which bleed a lot.  I held her,
putting pressure on the cut until the emergency people arrived.  I
ended up being soaked through because of rain and blood.  Still a
handwashing with shampoo removed the blood from one of my favorite
sweaters.

I haven't had to test it on needlework or something I was sewing, so I
don't know about smaller patches

alex

On Dec 13, 2007 1:29 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews <drewscph@post12.tele.dk> wrote:
> I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the work of the couturieres was shown.
> It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains.
> What do you think they used?
> I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two.
> What do you do?
>
> Bjarne
>
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Depends on the fabric, I think.  I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on linen
and cotton.  If I see the blood spot immediately,  I wet it with (eew)
saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother taught
me that...<G>)  For stains  a little older, I CAREFULLY wet with hydrogen
peroxide, and rinse, and repeat until stain is gone.  Of course you want to
know ahead of time that this won't fade/harm your fabric- I'm an obsessive
tester, so I try all this stuff out on spare fabric, flosses, etc, before I
start a project.

Liadain

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I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the
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Papain meat tenderizer also works, but it might also dissolve protein fabrics--so don't use on silk or wool.

Ann Wass


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Depends on the fabric, I think.  I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on linen
and cotton.  If I see the blood spot immediately,  I wet it with (eew)
saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother taught
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peroxide, and rinse, and repeat until stain is gone.  Of course you want to
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tester, so I try all this stuff out on spare fabric, flosses, etc, before I
start a project.

Liadain

THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO
wildernesse, the Outlands 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies

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It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers
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What do you do?

Bjarne

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Thank goodness I just got another external hard drive!

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Yeah, i should have ben embroidering a lot these last coupple of days, but i 
found i better had to download all the ones i could get, you never know how 
long they will be on the internet, it must be quite expensive to have all 
that lying on the net with such high resolution engravings.
And the way they have glued the prints with several on each page, makes a 
lot of work to do in the drawing program when you want to seperate these to 
single ones. I prefer this, because its very difficult to single each one 
out, when they are pasted manny together.

So you are right, evil time consuming, but wonderfull drawings...........

Bjarne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "costumeraz" <costumeraz@qwest.net>
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> Bjarne,
>
> You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL!  Either way, thank you so much for that
> link and the directions for navigating the web-site.  The images are
> incredible!
>
> Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending 
> the
> whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just 
> might!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!
>
> Laurie T.
> Phoenix, Arizona
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:58 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database
>
> I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link.
> It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and 
> onwards,
> year by year.
> Go to this page:
> http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html
> click on recherche simple.
> Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection
> macinet, then click recherche.
> Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click 
> under
> where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the
> right, click the link in the bottom.
> Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge
> resolution images wich pops up in new windows.
> They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man?
> I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said 
> here,
> it should work for you!
> There is enough for days i tell you........................
>
> Bjarne
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Hi,

I remember having heard that blood stains can be=20
removed with milk, but I don=B4t know if it works.=20
And it=B4s probably not done at Chanel, because it=20
might leave marks on silks and such. Like Liadain=20
said, saliva works well for fresh spots. Some=20
dressmakers use a long thread of basting cotton,=20
chew it a bit and use the wet cotton to wipe away the spot.

Hanna

At 20:49 13.12.2007, you wrote:
>Depends on the fabric, I think.  I work mostly (embroidery-wise) on linen
>and cotton.  If I see the blood spot immediately,  I wet it with (eew)
>saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother taught
>me that...<G>)  For stains  a little older, I CAREFULLY wet with hydrogen
>peroxide, and rinse, and repeat until stain is gone.  Of course you want to
>know ahead of time that this won't fade/harm your fabric- I'm an obsessive
>tester, so I try all this stuff out on spare fabric, flosses, etc, before I
>start a project.
>
>Liadain
>
>THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO
>wildernesse, the Outlands
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies
>
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>
>I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the
>work of the couturieres was shown.
>It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their fingers
>and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they had a lady they
>send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains.
>What do you think they used?
>I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it happens for
>myself two.
>What do you do?
>
>Bjarne
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  Heh.  This sounds a lot nicer than just spittin' on it...<G>

Liadain
Hillbilly girl

THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO
wildernesse, the Outlands=20
http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies

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Hi,
  <<<<<<<snippage>>>=20
Some=20
dressmakers use a long thread of basting cotton,=20
chew it a bit and use the wet cotton to wipe away the spot.

Hanna

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linen
>and cotton.  If I see the blood spot immediately,  I wet it with (eew)
>saliva - your own will dissolve away your own blood. (My grandmother =
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Hi Laurie,

Have you tried simply steaming the wool, and letting
it sit to dry, steam, dry... maybe even using a
toothbrush or other brush to gently bring up the nap a
bit? Steam on wool has done wonders for me.

Kimiko


--- zelda crusher <laswa@hotmail.com> wrote:

> There is no color discrepancy or wear marks so the
> flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this
> as the fabric.
>  
> One thing I've learned on this list is that there is
> a vast amount of experience of ALL sorts among you. 
> Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket
> depression"?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> Laurie
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=20

 If the blood is fresh and scant, spit sometimes works on cotton and
linen. However it can still stain. I'm sure we've all experienced this
doing embrodiery or handsewing a seam.=20

Some Victorian and Edwardian books on household remedies do include
natural cleaning remedies. I've heard of vinager and baking soda having
some effect, but it might harm even colorfast fabrics.

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Oh dear,  yes I should have said what I've tried already.  I used the steam=
 setting on the iron (which issues *clouds* of steam) and then brushed it w=
ith the cat brush, lol.  I think I will try the steam, vacuum and toothbrus=
h team, followed by the wet it, whack it on the table and vacuum team.  I'l=
l let you know....
Thanks,=20
Laurie > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:11:55 -0800> From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com=
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?)> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > > H=
i Laurie,> > Have you tried simply steaming the wool, and letting> it sit t=
o dry, steam, dry... maybe even using a> toothbrush or other brush to gentl=
y bring up the nap a> bit? Steam on wool has done wonders for me.> > Kimiko=
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I am a nurse and do get spattered with blood on occasion.  Hydrogen peroxid=
e works very well in most cases and has saved many of my shirts.  It works =
well for both fresh and old blood.  It froths up when first applied and the=
 area will become warm.  I rinse well with cold water then launder as usual=
.  On cotton and cotton/poly I have had no problems with fabric damage.  I =
have never tried it on silk, linen or wool.
=20
-Kathy> From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Thu, =
13 Dec 2007 20:29:46 +0100> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] removing blod stains> >=
 I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the =
work of the couturieres was shown.> It happened from time to time, that som=
e of the ladies, stuck their fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creat=
ions, but then they had a lady they send for who emediately came and remove=
d the blod stains.> What do you think they used?> I have often wondered abo=
ut this, and also because sometimes it happens for myself two.> What do you=
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On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote:

>> Type in mode in the place at the left,

I got this far in the directions but what do I type?  When I type 
"mode", I get a page with no listings.  What am I doing wrong?  I'd 
like to see the embroidery, too.

Thanks.

Susan
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] huge fashion engravings database THANK YOU
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To Bjarne,
from Dawn:

I've spent WAY too much time this morning enjoying that site.  What a =
great Christmas gift!=20

You're able to post on h-cost aren't you?  Please tell Bjarne thank you =
from me.  I can only read the posts.  Every time I've tried to post =
myself it's an exercise in frustration.  It's always returned to me.  =
It's got something to do with my computer settings and I've tried and =
tried and tried to no avail.

I also thank you Bjarne for all the eye candy.

Charlene Roberts

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The only thing that comes to mind is the old trick of placing ice  
cubes along the line of the depression, waiting for it to completely  
melt, blot up the residue and then vacuum after it dries.  This works  
on carpet (after you've moved the furniture, don'tcha know) but that  
may be because a lot of carpet these days is made from unnatural  
fibres.  Note that there is no heat involved in this method -- I  
don't know if it would work on wool.
Good luck!

Suzanne


On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:30 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:

> From: Kimiko Small <sstormwatch@yahoo.com>
> Date: December 13, 2007 5:11:55 PM CST
> To: Historical Costume <h-costume@indra.com>
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Somewhat OT (?)
> Reply-To: Historical Costume <h-costume@mail.indra.com>
>
>
> Hi Laurie,
>
> Have you tried simply steaming the wool, and letting
> it sit to dry, steam, dry... maybe even using a
> toothbrush or other brush to gently bring up the nap a
> bit? Steam on wool has done wonders for me.
>
> Kimiko
>
>
> --- zelda crusher <laswa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no color discrepancy or wear marks so the
>> flattened fabric is the only obstacle to using this
>> as the fabric.
>>
>> One thing I've learned on this list is that there is
>> a vast amount of experience of ALL sorts among you.
>> Can anyone suggest a cure for the "pocket
>> depression"?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Laurie

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Hi Elizabeth
I have this pattern but haven't used it yet but Linda has made the corded
stays if you want to ask her.
I like the short stays by Sense & Sensibility (now selling in Australia from
Simplicity).
Cheers, Aylwen


On 13/12/07 7:27 AM, "Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org" <Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org>
wrote:

>> Hi everyone, I've been inspired by fabric (an embroidered organza) to
> start 
>> thinking about Regency, my biggest problem has been underwear but as
> Past 
>> Patterns has a 20% off sale I thought that I might use Past pattern #001
> 
>> http://www.pastpatterns.com/001.html (as it's significantly cheaper than
> the 
>> only other commercial pattern I know of for a Regency era full length
>> corset, Mantua maker) c. 1810 outfit, even though it is actually marked
>> 1820s-40s the pictures didn't seem too far off the Regency style corset,
> has 
>> anybody used or looked at this pattern in detail and can you give me an
> idea 
>> of how well it would work for a decade earlier or whether I should try
>> making adjustments or maybe forgetting the whole thing.
> 
> That was the pattern I started from for my Regency corset, because it does
> seem very similar to the c1810 corsets to me too :-) Just as a warning, a
> friend of mine and I _struggled_ to do the fitting for the corset, 'cause
> we'd chosen to do the one with no side seam (only bust and hip gores)
> which eventually worked but was the most difficult fitting project that
> either of us had ever done. Now that the construction is all done, it's a
> wonderful corset! Fun to wear :-)
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My husband bled all over a pair of new light beige pants. He did not tell me
until after the blood was totally dried. I tried Shout, soaking them, etc.
Finally, washing them several times with Oxyclean did the trick. The stain
is almost gone and it was originally so bad I was going to toss the pants in
the garbage.
Monica


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Subject: [h-cost] Blood off fabric




 If the blood is fresh and scant, spit sometimes works on cotton and
linen. However it can still stain. I'm sure we've all experienced this
doing embrodiery or handsewing a seam.

Some Victorian and Edwardian books on household remedies do include
natural cleaning remedies. I've heard of vinager and baking soda having
some effect, but it might harm even colorfast fabrics.

Cindy Abel

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Bjarne, I love you! This is fabulous! 

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I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link.
It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and onwards,
year by year.
Go to this page:
http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html
click on recherche simple.
Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection
macinet, then click recherche.
Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click under
where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the
right, click the link in the bottom.
Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge
resolution images wich pops up in new windows.
They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man?
I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said here,
it should work for you!
There is enough for days i tell you........................

Bjarne
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Quoting Leif og Bjarne Drews <drewscph@post12.tele.dk>:

> I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where   
> all the work of the couturieres was shown.
> It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their   
> fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they   
> had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod   
> stains.
> What do you think they used?
> I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it   
> happens for myself two.
> What do you do?
>

Soak it in salt water.

susan/ jerusha
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A friend told me that if you bleed on fabric, you need to suck it out,
because your saliva will put your blood into solution. It worked on some
cotton I was working on. Anyone know if this is true or not? 

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I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all the
work of the couturieres was shown.
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send for who emediately came and removed the blod stains.
What do you think they used?
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myself two.
What do you do?

Bjarne

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Dear Susan,

Type in mode and scroll a little down, put a mark under collection Maciet, 
scroll up again, and click the link called Rechercher with the arrow.
Then all the titles appears. Mark one of the titles and click under where it 
says voir les notices.
Then the title of the book appears on the right side, scroll down a little 
and there is a link in the text, click this, and then all the small images 
pops up, each of these can be clicked to big images wich pops up in new 
window.

Bjarne
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>
>
> On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote:
>
>>> Type in mode in the place at the left,
>
> I got this far in the directions but what do I type?  When I type "mode", 
> I get a page with no listings.  What am I doing wrong?  I'd like to see 
> the embroidery, too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Susan
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Yep - same enzymes that dissolve food.

patty

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A friend told me that if you bleed on fabric, you need to suck it out,
because your saliva will put your blood into solution. It worked on some
cotton I was working on. Anyone know if this is true or not?=20

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I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where all
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work of the couturieres was shown.
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fingers
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What do you do?

Bjarne

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Hi,
I just am curious about this book, Dress in Stuart England, its not the =
right title, but i am sure you know wich book i am talking about.
How is this book, does it have manny nice pictures?
Its just that Amazon has reduced the price from 40 pounds to 3.20=20
I got a notice about this when i baught my christmass pressent, the fine =
art of kimono embroidery wich i saw in a danish bookshop the other day =
to more than doubble of the price at amazon.

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Well, I eventually had to resort to soaking the fabric (it is a testament t=
o how compressed the fibers were that they wouldn't even accept *water* unt=
il they had soaked and I manipulated the seam marks under the water) and th=
en rolling the seam marks between thumb and forefinger.
In the end, however, it still looks like there were pockets there.
Luckily I found some black wool coating at FabricMart.com for $4.99/yd and =
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still have a warm, comfortable and "designer" coat.  And still come in unde=
r $30.
I expect I can find a good use for the other red panels as well (a backpack=
 and hat come to mind).
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Thank you all for your helpful suggestions!
=20
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>I think I will try the steam, vacuum and toothbrush team, followed by the =
wet it, whack it on the >table and vacuum team. I'll let you know....
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Hi everyone,

I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled... 

Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome...

       
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Good Morning Zuzana!

Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called
"Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If
you want to see the whole article let me know. :)

Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = 1
ounce. 8 momme = 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk
under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium
weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight.

Shantung
Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made
with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns.
Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a
firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It
can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm

Douppioni 
Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff,
taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often
made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted
doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and
ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm.

For a detailed chart go to
http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm

For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance
Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000.

My source was the above book. :)

Chiara Francesca


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Hi everyone,

I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking
as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk
shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some
shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and
another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I
didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of
silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and
dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary
of the other, leaving me really puzzled... 

Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome...

       
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Thanks very much!!

If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the definitions I understood that Shantung might be the finer (less slubs) = and lighter one?



Chiara Francesca <chiara.francesca@gmail.com> wrote: Good Morning Zuzana!

Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called
"Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If
you want to see the whole article let me know. :)

Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = 1
ounce. 8 momme = 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk
under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium
weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight.

Shantung
Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made
with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns.
Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a
firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It
can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm

Douppioni 
Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff,
taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often
made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted
doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and
ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm.

For a detailed chart go to
http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm

For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance
Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000.

My source was the above book. :)

Chiara Francesca


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shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and
another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I
didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of
silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and
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Lynn Downward wrote:
> Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds a good
> costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done anything like
> Sally's calendars.
> 

You can get some good art calendars at Bud Plant's website. They sell a 
lot of art books and fantasy ephemera.

I have several of the Sally Queen calendars, but lately the topics have 
not interested me. I don't think I bought the last two.



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That is correct. Anything over 28mm is considered heavy weight. Shantung
would be the heavy weight. :)

Chiara Francesca


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From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
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Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung

Thanks very much!!

If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and douppioni 19mm, which means that
shantung is much heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the
definitions I understood that Shantung might be the finer (less slubs) = and
lighter one?



Chiara Francesca <chiara.francesca@gmail.com> wrote: Good Morning Zuzana!

Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called
"Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about silks. If
you want to see the whole article let me know. :)

Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams = 1
ounce. 8 momme = 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your purposes, silk
under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is considered medium
weight and anything above that is considered heavyweight.

Shantung
Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made
with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns.
Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a
firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It
can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm

Douppioni 
Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff,
taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often
made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted
doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and
ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm.

For a detailed chart go to
http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm

For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in Renaissance
Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000.

My source was the above book. :)

Chiara Francesca


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Hi everyone,

I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been asking
as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between silk
shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me some
shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs and
another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible slubs. I
didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for such sorts of
silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung and
dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one says the contrary
of the other, leaving me really puzzled... 

Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome...

       
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>From what i have experiensed, shantung is thinner than dupioni, and shantung 
also has less slopings as dupioni has.

Bjarne

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> Hi everyone,
>
> I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been 
> asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference between 
> silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China to buy me 
> some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with almost no slubs 
> and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and more visible 
> slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to search for 
> such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics, and I got 
> shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different definitions, one 
> says the contrary of the other, leaving me really puzzled...
>
> Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome...
>
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Speaking of removing stains, I thought folks might find this useful. It 
covers food stains you might encounter during the holiday season. I know 
a number of us go to parties and events in costume.


The Party's Over Stain Guide
Here's what to do  at the fatal moment and the morning after.

http://lifestyle.msn.com/homeandgarden/home/articlegh.aspx?cp-documentid=5815504&GT1=10715




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Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin
even weave with the same or similar warp and weft
threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft
filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a
pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they
use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin
dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft.

Some places consider them the same fabric type, but
they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby
taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness.
Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but
not really similar to dupioni except for the
occasional slub roughness. 

Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while
working with them.

Kimiko


--- Zuzana Kraemerova <zkraemerova@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks very much!!
> 
> If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and
> douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much
> heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the
> definitions I understood that Shantung might be the
> finer (less slubs) = and lighter one?



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> Dear Susan,
>
> Type in mode and scroll a little down, put a mark under collection=20
> Maciet, scroll up again, and click the link called Rechercher with the=20
> arrow.
> Then all the titles appears. Mark one of the titles and click under=20
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> Bjarne
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>>>> Type in mode in the place at the left,
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>> I got this far in the directions but what do I type?  When I type=20
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There is a book called "All About Silks" that also
comes with swatches. The definition that Chiara
already gave pretty much sums it up, but the swatches
help.

I've worked with both, and shantung is heavier than
dupioni because of the filling yarns that give a
definite ribbed appearance. It also tends to be
smoother than general dupioni with fewer and finer
slubs.

And dupioni can be found as nearly as smooth as
shantung, or very heavy in the slubs. I know of one
online fabric store that offers both smooth and
slubbed dupioni on different pages (so of course I
can't find my link on this).

hth,

Kimiko


--- Zuzana Kraemerova <zkraemerova@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've spent the past few days searching on the
> internet and I've been asking as many people as I
> met and still can't get the difference between silk
> shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in
> China to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a
> very fine fabric with almost no slubs and another
> day she gets one with a rougher texture and more
> visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two,
> so I started to search for such sorts of silk fabric
> that would match the two fabrics, and I got shantung
> and dupioni. But alas, sources say different
> definitions, one says the contrary of the other,
> leaving me really puzzled... 
> 
> Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are
> really welcome...



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I think shantung is fewer slubs and finer ones than dupioni, but it is
more densely wovern(more threads per inch), which would make the fabric
heavier in weight=20

Cindy Abel

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On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova
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Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung

Thanks very much!!

If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and douppioni 19mm, which means
that shantung is much heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the
definitions I understood that Shantung might be the finer (less slubs) =
=3D
and lighter one?



Chiara Francesca <chiara.francesca@gmail.com> wrote: Good Morning
Zuzana!

Here is an excerpt of an article series that I recently started called
"Straight from the Corset". I think it answers your question about
silks. If you want to see the whole article let me know. :)

Silk is measured by weight either by grams or by momme (mm). 28 grams =
=3D
1 ounce. 8 momme =3D 1 oz. In determining the right silk for your
purposes, silk under 20 momme is considered lightweight, 20 to 28 is
considered medium weight and anything above that is considered
heavyweight.

Shantung
Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made
with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns.
Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has
a firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting
styles. It can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm

Douppioni
Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff,
taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is
often made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for
semi-fitted doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up
well to stress and ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm.

For a detailed chart go to
http://www.classactfabrics.com/silk/silk_fabric.htm

For further reading go find: Mola, Luca. The Silk Industry in
Renaissance Venice. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press. 2000.

My source was the above book. :)

Chiara Francesca


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Hi everyone,

I've spent the past few days searching on the internet and I've been
asking as many people as I met and still can't get the difference
between silk shantung and silk dupioni. I often ask my sister in China
to buy me some shantung, but once she gets a very fine fabric with
almost no slubs and another day she gets one with a rougher texture and
more visible slubs. I didn't know how to call these two, so I started to
search for such sorts of silk fabric that would match the two fabrics,
and I got shantung and dupioni. But alas, sources say different
definitions, one says the contrary of the other, leaving me really
puzzled...=20

Does anyone know something about that? Pictures are really welcome...

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At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote:
>Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin
>even weave with the same or similar warp and weft
>threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft
>filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a
>pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they
>use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin
>dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft.
>
>Some places consider them the same fabric type, but
>they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby
>taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness.
>Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but
>not really similar to dupioni except for the
>occasional slub roughness.
>
>Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while
>working with them.

This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always 
understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion 
is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung 
is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They 
do both ravel like mad though.

Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons.

Suzi

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>
>--- Zuzana Kraemerova <zkraemerova@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Thanks very much!!
> >
> > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and
> > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much
> > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the
> > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the
> > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one?
>
>
>
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Chiara Francesca wrote:
> Shantung
> Once made from hand-reeled tussah silk, today's shantung is usually made
> with cultivated silk warp yarns and heavier douppioni filling yarns.
> Depending on the filling yarn, shantung may be lustrous or dull. It has a
> firm, semi-crisp hand and tends to ravel, so avoid close-fitting styles. It
> can be machine washed on gentle and dried on low. 29 mm
>
> Douppioni 
> Douppioni is a plain-weave fabric with slubbed ribs. It has a stiff,
> taffeta-like hand and is usually dyed in bright colors. Douppioni is often
> made into elegant flowy gowns that are not fitted or for semi-fitted
> doublets and garments because the fabric doesn't stand up well to stress and
> ravels easily. Dry cleaning recommended. 19mm.
>   

It's also worth noting that there's a lot of variability in douppioni 
(which, as a friend of mine once said, translates to "we don't beat our 
slack-ass weavers") and shantung. Indian douppioni tends to be pretty 
slubby. I've seen (and have) Chinese douppioni that could almost pass 
for taffeta.

It's purely technique and weight, The quality of the silk (and the 
weavers) determines whether it's clean and clear or slubby and rustic.

andy

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Someone said:
>> fit. Besides being pinnable, the other bonus is that
>> it is squishable, so I can hopefully corset it, too...
>> with a little added padding in the breast area, as I
>> understand that squishes in, not up.

Then Sunny said:
>I have not found the Uniquely You dress forms to be squishable enough to
>put a corset on it - the cover really compacts the foam down (at least
>mine does...) to the point that there is no "squish" left for the corset
>to manipulate. My current plan is to get a second cover and shape it to me
>while I'm wearing a corset, and hopefully that will result in a corseted
>form for draping/fitting on.

Wouldnt trade my Uniquely You for any of those other make-do options
like the plaster cast, the duct tape & the dial a figure things.  A
Uniquely You is less hard to do, certainly less messy than plaster,
more accurate than tape, models the figure ever so much better, and
is, price for performance, the best thing around.

Y'all do know the birdseed beanbag trick, right?  Put the corset on
your dummy but you add birdseed beanbag boobs to get the "up" part.
The size of your beanbag boobs will depend of course on the lady you
are modelling.

The foam can be reshaped, too.  I have forward thrust shoulders &
protrusive shoulderblades, so I whacked off a bit of foam from the
back of the armstub & stuck it on shoulder blade.  Do that with your
dial a dummy!

Sunny, let us know how the Uniquely You cover *over* a corset works.
I wonder if you dont just have to buy a cover that's size up on the
Uniquely You size chart.   I'd considered trying this, too, but as I'm
less generously endowed than most, well, let's just say, most times I
can even leave off the birdseen beanbags.  So, please let us know how
it works.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
CinBarnes@gmail.com
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At 19:33 14/12/2007, you wrote:
>Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows 
>anything about this book?
>
>Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England 
>(Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover)
>by Aileen Ribeiro
>Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book?

As it is by Aileen Ribiero, it is more likely to be a text type book, 
and only contain photos of paintings we already know. She was writing 
it when she gave a lecture I went to, and it was about costume in 
paintings and plays, books etc., but to be honest I don't remember 
much about it. I think I picked it up in a book shop one time and 
decided it wasn't a book I wanted to spend that much money on.

But that is a very personal opinion, and I am happy to be corrected.

Suzi 

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For 2007 and 2008 I bought the "Golden Age of Fashion" wall calendars, 
published by Sellers Publishing. They use fashion plates from 1910s and 
1920s issues of the "Gazette du Bon Ton."  I have seen some of the 
plates reprinted elsewhere, but these are large, and they are well 
chosen and well produced. The little boxes for each day have plenty of 
space to write down appointments or whatever, which is useful to me, 
since I've never used any kind of desk or online calendar.  I'd 
recommend this calendar for anyone interested in fashions of the 1910s 
and 1920s.

Fran
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Dawn wrote:

> Lynn Downward wrote:
> 
>> Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds 
>> a good
>> costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done anything 
>> like
>> Sally's calendars.

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Hi Bjarne--
Sorry for the dalay in posting. I am trying to decorate for Chrisstmas.

I have this book. I would recomend it for the pictures alone-- lots of
gorgeous color plates, with details. If you are able to get it for a good
price, I would buy it. I bought it for full price, but it was worth it!
Monica

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Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything
about this book?

Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul
Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover)
by Aileen Ribeiro
Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book?

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I think our dupioni has more sizing or something,
cause when I buy it is hangs pretty stiffly similar to
taffeta (but definitely not the same), but when washed
and pressed it goes limp like nothing. 

And taffeta has a nasty chemical smell when washed,
and the wrinkles in taffeta never goes away (yeah, I
washed it once) even with lots of high steam, but
becomes fairly crisp upon drying.

I prefer shantung over dupioni, but dupioni is so much
easier to find in lots of colors, including metallics.
Shantung does seem to be a nicer, finer silk to work
with. I also like taffeta, but not so happy with how
to work with it. I like working with washed silks that
don't stink.

Kimiko


--- Suzi Clarke <suzi@suziclarke.co.uk> wrote:

> This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I
> have always 
> understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In
> England, most dupion 
> is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be
> floppy. Shantung 
> is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a
> finer dupion. They 
> do both ravel like mad though.
> 
> Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K.
> comparisons.
> 
> Suzi



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How about making your own callender, using some of the gorgeous fashion =
prints from the database i posted here.
I actually have desided i want some of my favourite ones in a callendar, =
and my photo shop makes the callenders in a lot of varieated versions, =
and prices.

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=20
Bjarne: I have this book and it does have many color illustrations in it
as well as text. It covers fashion as influenced by Stuart art and
literature from c1600 to 1714, although it shows few fashions past 1700.
There is an excellent section on masque costumes, most of the pictures
date from 1603-1635.=20

Naturally, the Interregnum(1649-1660) gets little coverage.

Hope this helps!

Cindy Abel, Omaha NE
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Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows
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Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul
Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover) by Aileen Ribeiro
Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book?

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Hmmmm....there's an idea....now if I just had a color printer with INK.

*sigh*

Starr


How about making your own callender, using some of the gorgeous fashion 
prints from the database i posted here.
I actually have desided i want some of my favourite ones in a callendar, and 
my photo shop makes the callenders in a lot of varieated versions, and 
prices.

Bjarne

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It does have some good pictures and a lot of text....  I can't say  whether 
they're pics you'd be familiar with because I don't know what else  you've got.
 
I like it and would say get it if you can get a decent price - but I like  
Aileen Ribeiro'sstuff in general anyway.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hi Bjarne--
Sorry for the dalay in  posting. I am trying to decorate for Chrisstmas.

I have this book. I  would recomend it for the pictures alone-- lots of
gorgeous color plates,  with details. If you are able to get it for a good
price, I would buy it. I  bought it for full price, but it was worth it!
Monica

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Sorry i post  again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything
about this  book?

Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart  England (Paul
Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover)
by  Aileen Ribeiro
Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text  book?

Bjarne
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Brangwyne wrote:
> Hmmmm....there's an idea....now if I just had a color printer with INK.
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You can have it made at Cafe Press, printed and mailed to you. And if 
you share with the list, we can buy copies ourselves. My husband had a 
calendar made up like this a few years ago, with screen shots from an 
online game he liked to play. It was not very costly.


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On Friday 14 December 2007, Brangwyne wrote:
> Hmmmm....there's an idea....now if I just had a color printer with INK.
>
> *sigh*
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> Starr
>
>
> How about making your own callender, using some of the gorgeous fashion
> prints from the database i posted here.
> I actually have desided i want some of my favourite ones in a callendar,
> and my photo shop makes the callenders in a lot of varieated versions, and
> prices.

Bjarne, that's a great idea!  And in fact I know of a site that lets people do 
just that:

http://www.zazzle.com

I just did a calendar for myself using photos of Viking clothing I've made.  
(They also let you design your own t-shirts and mugs, among other things.)



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Sorry i post again, can it really be, that noone on the list knows anything 
about this book?

Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England (Paul 
Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art) (Hardcover)
by Aileen Ribeiro
Has it manny pictures, or is it more of a text book?

Bjarne

It's got great pictures, and lots of detail.  The text is also very good.  I 
use my copy all the time.

Melusine

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On Friday 14 December 2007, Dawn wrote:
> Lynn Downward wrote:
> > Ack. I've been looking for the past couple of months. If anyone finds a
> > good costume calendar, PLEASE share. I don't think anyone has done
> > anything like Sally's calendars.
>
> You can get some good art calendars at Bud Plant's website. They sell a
> lot of art books and fantasy ephemera.
>
> I have several of the Sally Queen calendars, but lately the topics have
> not interested me. I don't think I bought the last two.

I didn't buy the last one for that reason.  However, I might have felt 
differently if I'd known it would be the LAST one.  :-)

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:45:59 -0500
From: Susan Farmer <sfarmer@goldsword.com>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains
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Quoting Leif og Bjarne Drews <drewscph@post12.tele.dk>:

> I remember i saw a tv programme from the workshop at Chanel where
> all the work of the couturieres was shown.
> It happened from time to time, that some of the ladies, stuck their
> fingers and bleeded on the haute couture creations, but then they
> had a lady they send for who emediately came and removed the blod
> stains.
> What do you think they used?
> I have often wondered about this, and also because sometimes it
> happens for myself two.
> What do you do?
>

Soak it in salt water.

Or just plain cold water, straight away. You will have to rinse it quite a 
bit
though. If it's not something you can get wet maybe the red wine on the 
carpet
trick would work - sprinkle liberally with salt and rub in. The idea is the 
salt
soaks the liquid out. It would probably work with any other 'thirsty' dry 
material
too - sugar, or cornflour.

Whatever you do don't use warm or hot water as this sets the stain.

Claire 

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I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi but please realize that
unlike European countries the US no longer has a silk mass producer that I
know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty markets. Kimiko,
correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better than I. All of our silk
comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India stamped on the bolt ends.
For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop here that we all hit and
their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them.

I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other country's stamp on it.

In the end, Zuzana, look for the weight. Since you are not there with your
sister in China ask her to look at the weights and to look at the surface.
If you can get the book of swatches that Kimiko recommends do it and send it
to her asap or see if she can get one where she is at. If you have the
fabric you want already, send her that swatch so that she can compare it. :)

Chiara Francesca

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Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung

At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote:
>Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin
>even weave with the same or similar warp and weft
>threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft
>filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a
>pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they
>use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin
>dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft.
>
>Some places consider them the same fabric type, but
>they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby
>taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness.
>Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but
>not really similar to dupioni except for the
>occasional slub roughness.
>
>Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while
>working with them.

This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always 
understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion 
is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung 
is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They 
do both ravel like mad though.

Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons.

Suzi

>Kimiko
>
>
>--- Zuzana Kraemerova <zkraemerova@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks very much!!
> >
> > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and
> > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much
> > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the
> > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the
> > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one?
>
>
>
> 
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I've not been able to enjoy seeing the ends of bolts,
except the few at Hancock's. I tend to order my silks
from various online sources as I need them. But
Chiara, what you have stated seems to be true based on
my experience those times I do know where the silk is
coming from. While I covet the Italian or other finer
European silks, I so can't afford them yet.

Kimiko


--- Chiara Francesca <chiara.francesca@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi
> but please realize that
> unlike European countries the US no longer has a
> silk mass producer that I
> know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty
> markets. Kimiko,
> correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better
> than I. All of our silk
> comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India
> stamped on the bolt ends.
> For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop
> here that we all hit and
> their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them.
> 
> I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other
> country's stamp on it.



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Sorry as this has probably already been answered, but nothing comes up for me?  I'm dying to see these...help!

Leif og Bjarne Drews <drewscph@post12.tele.dk> wrote:
  Yeah, i should have ben embroidering a lot these last coupple of days, but i 
found i better had to download all the ones i could get, you never know how 
long they will be on the internet, it must be quite expensive to have all 
that lying on the net with such high resolution engravings.
And the way they have glued the prints with several on each page, makes a 
lot of work to do in the drawing program when you want to seperate these to 
single ones. I prefer this, because its very difficult to single each one 
out, when they are pasted manny together.

So you are right, evil time consuming, but wonderfull drawings...........

Bjarne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "costumeraz" 
To: "'Historical Costume'" 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database


> Bjarne,
>
> You are either WONDERFUL or EVIL! Either way, thank you so much for that
> link and the directions for navigating the web-site. The images are
> incredible!
>
> Thank heavens the semester is about over...I wasn't planning on spending 
> the
> whole holiday break on a French fashion history web-site, but I just 
> might!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone!
>
> Laurie T.
> Phoenix, Arizona
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:58 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] huge fashion ingravings database
>
> I thoaght, as there are manny here who loves regency to send this link.
> It has hundreds of fashion prints starting end of 18th century and 
> onwards,
> year by year.
> Go to this page:
> http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/consultation2/consultation.html
> click on recherche simple.
> Type in mode in the place at the left, and put a mark under collection
> macinet, then click recherche.
> Now comes a full list of books to the left, mark one of them and click 
> under
> where it says voir les notices Then the title of the book appears to the
> right, click the link in the bottom.
> Then small images appear to the right, these are clickable to huge
> resolution images wich pops up in new windows.
> They are all downloadable, and gues who is a very happy man?
> I know its a little difficult to find them, but if you do what i said 
> here,
> it should work for you!
> There is enough for days i tell you........................
>
> Bjarne


       
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I notice that colored wax is a problem. So, match your candles to your
tablecloth! 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dawn
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:47 AM
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Speaking of removing stains, I thought folks might find this useful. It
covers food stains you might encounter during the holiday season. I know a
number of us go to parties and events in costume.


The Party's Over Stain Guide
Here's what to do - at the fatal moment and the morning after.

http://lifestyle.msn.com/homeandgarden/home/articlegh.aspx?cp-documentid=581
5504&GT1=10715




Dawn


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Thanks for all the help!

I think I'll definitely go for the book about silks, it might also help me with giving a name to another fabric I don't know the name of. 

I know exactly the possible mm of the fabrics in China, and the shantung or dupioni (Chinese call it shuan-gong, which is probably shantung) has 19 to 22mm. But it's usually 19. 
I called it shantung till someone told me it's dupioni, and from then on I was unsure about the name. 

My sister'll arrive for Christmas, so we can talk things over and I'm sure we'll solve that mystery...

The two fabrics I've got at home are both like a softer taffeta, one is a bit more uneven than the other and has less slubs, but they both weight the same. 
The more uneven one looks like this and the other like this.
Could these two be douppioni?

Then my sister once brought from China something looking similar to the second fabric (less slubs), but finer,thinner, more tightly woven, and not really ressembling taffeta, it was heavier and "flowier". This might have been the shantung...?

Zuzana




Chiara Francesca <chiara.francesca@gmail.com> wrote: I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi but please realize that
unlike European countries the US no longer has a silk mass producer that I
know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty markets. Kimiko,
correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better than I. All of our silk
comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India stamped on the bolt ends.
For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop here that we all hit and
their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them.

I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other country's stamp on it.

In the end, Zuzana, look for the weight. Since you are not there with your
sister in China ask her to look at the weights and to look at the surface.
If you can get the book of swatches that Kimiko recommends do it and send it
to her asap or see if she can get one where she is at. If you have the
fabric you want already, send her that swatch so that she can compare it. :)

Chiara Francesca

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Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung

At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote:
>Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin
>even weave with the same or similar warp and weft
>threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft
>filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a
>pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they
>use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin
>dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft.
>
>Some places consider them the same fabric type, but
>they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby
>taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness.
>Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but
>not really similar to dupioni except for the
>occasional slub roughness.
>
>Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while
>working with them.

This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always 
understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion 
is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung 
is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They 
do both ravel like mad though.

Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons.

Suzi

>Kimiko
>
>
>--- Zuzana Kraemerova  wrote:
>
> > Thanks very much!!
> >
> > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and
> > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much
> > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the
> > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the
> > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one?
>
>
>
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sorry the html somehow didn't work, so once more:

"The two fabrics I've got at home are both like a softer taffeta, one is a bit more uneven than the other and has less slubs, but they both weight the same. 
The more uneven one looks like this:
http://www.onlinesilkfabricstore.com/Dupioni_Silk_Fabric_p/dps-orchidlimesapphire.htm
and the other like this:
http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric/silk/dupion.html 

Could these two  be douppioni?
       
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Or buy some of those little glass discs that fit over the candle 
(bobesches)! My china is blue and white and I love to use blue candles; my 
cloths are  embroidered linen, crochet, and the 'army'  model of linen 
squares and oblongs set with lace insertion and bordered with lace...all 
hand made. I used to use only white candles which are far more formal than 
my dinner parties seem to be.

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>I notice that colored wax is a problem. So, match your candles to your
> tablecloth!
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A stout wooden dowel on a wood platform frame works for me. Sometimes I can 
use the stop-slide from the original stand.  I have also contemplated 
re-cycling weighted lamp bases.

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I have replaced the bases of my forms with clearence iron patio umbrella stands, they usually have an adjustment screw built in and nothing can tip them over. You may have to cut a short closet rod dowel about 1 1/2 /2" wide drill out a hole to fit the original metal rod of the form,and slide in. I can't see my UU at the moment, my sewing room has become the "xmas gift hiding place" and my brain is too fried to remember what the stand looks liker ight now.
  )thoses iron pato sands are really usuful, when my lazy husband did not replace the pole mounted mail box into the front lawn position, and the mailperson got tired of putting the mail in a laying on the ground mailbox, i whipped out the old patio umbrella stand and mounted the mail box in it.)
   Melody

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they're not so wimpy and wobbly?

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ahh stinky silks....brings back lovely memories of wearing a beautiful silk fiber sweater to jr high, having it rain, then suffering the rest of the day with  gaggles of 14 yr olds commenting on the terrible fishy smell in the room.
  melody
  
Kimiko Small <sstormwatch@yahoo.com> wrote:
  I think our dupioni has more sizing or something,
cause when I buy it is hangs pretty stiffly similar to
taffeta (but definitely not the same), but when washed
and pressed it goes limp like nothing. 

And taffeta has a nasty chemical smell when washed,
and the wrinkles in taffeta never goes away (yeah, I
washed it once) even with lots of high steam, but
becomes fairly crisp upon drying.

I prefer shantung over dupioni, but dupioni is so much
easier to find in lots of colors, including metallics.
Shantung does seem to be a nicer, finer silk to work
with. I also like taffeta, but not so happy with how
to work with it. I like working with washed silks that
don't stink.

Kimiko


--- Suzi Clarke wrote:

> This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I
> have always 
> understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In
> England, most dupion 
> is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be
> floppy. Shantung 
> is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a
> finer dupion. They 
> do both ravel like mad though.
> 
> Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K.
> comparisons.
> 
> Suzi



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--- Zuzana Kraemerova <zkraemerova@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Could these two  be douppioni?
>        

Yes. Both could be dupioni.

What the All About Silks book will tell you is that
every manufacturer calls what they make by different
names, and that those names may not have anything to
do with what the next manufacturer will call it's
fabrics. In general, they try to call them by similar
names, but fashion being fashion, they will call some
things by other names, and confuse us poor consumers
in the process.

I would worry less about what "they" might call a
given fabric, and chose based on the desired fabric
qualities you want, and whatever you and your sister
agree on, and what is available that is similar.
That's why I like the book, because it not only tells
you the common term, it will also give you what a
particular fabric type is good for in creating a
garment... fitted vs semi-fitted vs loosely
constructed, for one example. How well a given fabric
drapes, or doesn't, how crisp the hand or how fluid.
The swatches really help as well, so you can compare
their "dupioni" with the "dupioni" or "shantung" your
sister sends you, and have a better idea of what it
really is so you can plan your projects accordingly.

And the series also has a book on cotton fabrics, and
a book on wool fabrics. I wish they had one on linens,
but not that I know of.

Kimiko




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Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend. =
I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling=
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http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=3DProduct_Detail&ite=
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Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on sai=
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*giggle*

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Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend. I 
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http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195

Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on 
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On Saturday 15 December 2007, Brangwyne wrote:
> *giggle*
>
> _________________________
>
> Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend.
> I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling
> attention to (you might have to cut-and-paste the URL if it breaks):
>
> http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=
>0195
>
> Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on
> saint symbolism!

That's a riot!  I liked it (though it's probably just a wee bit OT).


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> That's a riot! I liked it (though it's probably just a wee bit OT).
A wee bit, maybe, but in fact I use St. Sebastian as an example in my lectu=
re on "using images of saints for costume sources." He's usually just weari=
ng a loincloth, which isn't much help, but some late medieval painters put =
him in braies or even hose, with good detail of the bits you usually can't =
see on someone fully dressed. Even better, a few 15th c. Flemish paintings =
show his extremely fashionable upperclass garments scattered on the ground =
beside him, giving you views from angles you never get to see in wear, and =
with seams and linings evident.
=20
--Robin
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Dear All,

I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, 
only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any 
of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until 
the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself?

Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...

Marjorie

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author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
www.marjoriegilbert.net 


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Marjorie,

I use hair sticks rather than hair pins. My hair is very long and 
very thick, so regular bobby pins I can get at the local stores are 
totally useless. I prefer the sturdy metal and wood to the plastic. I 
also prefer the two-prong sticks to the singles. You can get short 
and plain ones that barely show at all, too.

Connie

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At 05:07 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up 
>in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon 
>after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to 
>keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to 
>remove the pins, and not the hair itself?
>
>Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...
>
>Marjorie
>
>Marjorie Gilbert
>author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
>www.marjoriegilbert.net


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I find the best way to keep my hair anchored in the
bun or twist is to use either a foam mousse or
hairspray before putting it up. Otherwise, it just
slides right out no matter how many pins I use.

Generally I find the best method for dry hair is to
bend over and hang my head down, comb the hair from
the nape and lightly spray all through. Then gather it
up, twisting as I go, coil it around and pin down. I
use the mousse when I have just washed my hair and it
is still slightly wet.

My hair is currently slightly below waist length. I
don't know how this would work on shorter hair, mine
has never been shorter than shoulderblade length and
was once almost knee length.

--- Gilbert <tgilbert737@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I
> pinned my hair up in a bun, 
> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins
> soon after arrival. Do any 
> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping
> ones hair in a bun until 
> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and
> not the hair itself?
> 
> Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...
> 
> Marjorie
> 
> Marjorie Gilbert
> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in
> Georgian England
> www.marjoriegilbert.net 
> 
> 
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Rebecca Burch
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Sadly for me my hair is slowly becoming less thick and every time I get it
"evened up" it gets a bit shorter as well.  I have had good luck back in the
days of thick, long hair, with taking 3 long "bobby-pin" tightly squeezed
not the loose U shape and put them as equidistant around the bun as I could.
I used to have short sections come loose and end up in my mouth and face,
but then I learned the trick of "french rolling (part your hair in the
center, and comb it smoothly to each side.  Start at the part line on one
side and take a little hair and twist it, then move the roll down and gather
in some more hair and twist that in.  Keep going until you have reached the
area you want the bun to start and put in a big bobby pin to hold it while
you do the other side the same way.  Gather the two twists together and wind
them around and make your bun.)  Once you have the short hairs rolled into
the longer ones, they tend not to fly around loosely.  I've even done this
with braids and had it hold throughout the night and next day.  If the side
rolls don't look nice and even run a comb through them gently that will
smooth everything out.  If they aren't "fluffy" enough take the sides and
tug gently.

It can take some practice, but your hair will generally stay put.  The only
person I've had a problem with was a dancer who had incredibly thick hair
(she stopped having headaches when she cut it to mid back.  The weight of
her hair was actually causing her to flip it and using neck and spine in
ways that weren't good for them.

I should mention that I rinse my hair about every three to five days (100
strokes with a hog bristle brush that is washed every week with baby
shampoo) with as hot water as I can stand and then folded into a towel and
allowed to dry completely before I start with the big cedar comb my nephew
brought me from China.  I may not have the Breck Girl shining hair, but it
isn't oily, and it does stay in styles far longer than it did when I washed
it with shampoo and conditioner frequently.

For the record the lack of Shampoo and Conditioner are not the reason for
the hair loss.  Ya gotta be tough to get old (er)

Wanda

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> Marjorie,
>
> I use hair sticks rather than hair pins. My hair is very long and
> very thick, so regular bobby pins I can get at the local stores are
> totally useless. I prefer the sturdy metal and wood to the plastic. I
> also prefer the two-prong sticks to the singles. You can get short
> and plain ones that barely show at all, too.
>
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Gilbert wrote:
> Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones 
> hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and 
> not the hair itself?
> 

Start with 'day-old' hair, not freshly washed. It won't be so dry and 
difficult to keep in place. Styling products don't do much for me, other 
than make my hair feel gunky, but we all have different kinds of hair.

When my hair was waist length, I usually started with a ponytail. That 
kept the mass of hair in place, and I could wrap the tail more easily. 
If it started to come out, I could re-wrap it quickly starting with the 
ponytail again. Try different kinds of pins. I was using standard 2" 
bobby pins, until I discovered some super large 3" ones that work 
better. I can lose a 2" bobby pin in the back of my head, my hair is so 
thick.

If your hair is different lengths you'll need a lot more pins to hold 
all the shorter wisps on the side of your head. I tend to keep my hair 
all one length to make it easier to put up. Don't be afraid to use a lot 
of pins, that's why they come in packs of 100.


Dawn

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Wow, this sounds like a good idea also. I think I am going to have to spend 
some time futzing with my hair....

Marjorie

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>I find the best way to keep my hair anchored in the
> bun or twist is to use either a foam mousse or
> hairspray before putting it up. Otherwise, it just
> slides right out no matter how many pins I use.
>
> Generally I find the best method for dry hair is to
> bend over and hang my head down, comb the hair from
> the nape and lightly spray all through. Then gather it
> up, twisting as I go, coil it around and pin down. I
> use the mousse when I have just washed my hair and it
> is still slightly wet.
>
> My hair is currently slightly below waist length. I
> don't know how this would work on shorter hair, mine
> has never been shorter than shoulderblade length and
> was once almost knee length.
>
> --- Gilbert <tgilbert737@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I
>> pinned my hair up in a bun,
>> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins
>> soon after arrival. Do any
>> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping
>> ones hair in a bun until
>> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and
>> not the hair itself?
>>
>> Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...
>>
>> Marjorie
>>
>> Marjorie Gilbert
>> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in
>> Georgian England
>> www.marjoriegilbert.net
>>
>>
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Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more slippery =
if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want?
=20
Patty

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Dear All,

I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a =
bun,
only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do =
any
of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun =
until
the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair =
itself?

Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...

Marjorie

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I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the trick--or 
all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used at once...

Marjorie

Marjorie Gilbert
author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
www.marjoriegilbert.net
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Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more slippery if 
it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want?

Patty

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Dear All,

I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun,
only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any
of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until
the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself?

Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...

Marjorie

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Depending on the length and thickness of your hair, you might also  
try braiding it before twisting it into a bun. I do this frequently.  
I also use hair sticks to hold the bun, but hairpins, like the  
sticks, would be more secure in braided hair because the braid keeps  
them from moving laterally. Looks pretty too--rich and complicated,  
if that look works with the overall impression you want. I get a lot  
of unsolicited compliments.
--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
scholar gypsy and amateur costumer

On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Gilbert wrote:

> I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the  
> trick--or all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used  
> at once...
>
> Marjorie
>
> Marjorie Gilbert
> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
> www.marjoriegilbert.net
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty "  
> <RICKARPA@muc.edu>
> To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
>
>
> Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more  
> slippery if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want?
>
> Patty
>
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> Dear All,
>
> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up  
> in a bun,
> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after  
> arrival. Do any
> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a  
> bun until
> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair  
> itself?
>
> Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...
>
> Marjorie
>
> Marjorie Gilbert
> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
> www.marjoriegilbert.net
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--- Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
wrote:

> > Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate
> gift from a dear friend.
> > I think this has come up on the list before, but
> if not, it's worth calling
> > attention to:
> >
>
<http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195>
> >
> > Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1)
> > sews and (2) lectures on saint symbolism!
> 
> That's a riot!  I liked it (though it's probably
> just a wee bit OT).
> Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>

You mean "no costume is no costume"?

Ann in CT


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I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regency wedding. L=
uann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but I have been u=
nable to find links in the archives or a website. Could someone please poin=
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Not my period, but I don't think it's Regency.  Anyway, this is what I have=
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>Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in a bun 

I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success.  The rubber band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure.

I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair.
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>Not my period, but I don't think it's Regency.  Anyway, this is what 
>I have marked for Bjarne's website:
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>Laurie> From: chamla@hotmail.com> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com> 
>Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:40:00 -0800> Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne's 
>Website> > > I am new to the list and am in the process of planning 
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>or a website. Could someone please point me in the correct 
>direction.> Thanks,> LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will 
>continue to repeat it over and over and over...

Bjarne works primarily in later 18th century styles.  Very beautiful 
and well worth looking at, but much earlier than "Regency".


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Thank you for the advice. Now that my hair is getting longer, I will 
definitely have to learn techniques such as these. I like the idea of French 
rolls. Sounds like they'd look rather nice and period as well (aiming for a 
Georgian, 1800's look).

FYI, some shampoo can aid in hair loss and scalp irritation 
http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sodium-lauryl-sulfate.html. 
Ugh, is nothing safe?

Thank you again!

Marjorie

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From: "Wanda Pease" <wandap@hevanet.com>
To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun


> Sadly for me my hair is slowly becoming less thick and every time I get it
> "evened up" it gets a bit shorter as well.  I have had good luck back in 
> the
> days of thick, long hair, with taking 3 long "bobby-pin" tightly squeezed
> not the loose U shape and put them as equidistant around the bun as I 
> could.
> I used to have short sections come loose and end up in my mouth and face,
> but then I learned the trick of "french rolling (part your hair in the
> center, and comb it smoothly to each side.  Start at the part line on one
> side and take a little hair and twist it, then move the roll down and 
> gather
> in some more hair and twist that in.  Keep going until you have reached 
> the
> area you want the bun to start and put in a big bobby pin to hold it while
> you do the other side the same way.  Gather the two twists together and 
> wind
> them around and make your bun.)  Once you have the short hairs rolled into
> the longer ones, they tend not to fly around loosely.  I've even done this
> with braids and had it hold throughout the night and next day.  If the 
> side
> rolls don't look nice and even run a comb through them gently that will
> smooth everything out.  If they aren't "fluffy" enough take the sides and
> tug gently.
>
> It can take some practice, but your hair will generally stay put.  The 
> only
> person I've had a problem with was a dancer who had incredibly thick hair
> (she stopped having headaches when she cut it to mid back.  The weight of
> her hair was actually causing her to flip it and using neck and spine in
> ways that weren't good for them.
>
> I should mention that I rinse my hair about every three to five days (100
> strokes with a hog bristle brush that is washed every week with baby
> shampoo) with as hot water as I can stand and then folded into a towel and
> allowed to dry completely before I start with the big cedar comb my nephew
> brought me from China.  I may not have the Breck Girl shining hair, but it
> isn't oily, and it does stay in styles far longer than it did when I 
> washed
> it with shampoo and conditioner frequently.
>
> For the record the lack of Shampoo and Conditioner are not the reason for
> the hair loss.  Ya gotta be tough to get old (er)
>
> Wanda
>


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On Sunday 16 December 2007, Ann Catelli wrote:
> --- Catherine Olanich Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
>
> wrote:

> > That's a riot!  I liked it (though it's probably
> > just a wee bit OT).
> > Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>
>
> You mean "no costume is no costume"?

No, I mean as in "it's a humorous pincushion about an obscure saint, not a 
costume!"

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Hi,
That is my website, its here:
www.my-drewscostumes.dk

Bjarne


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I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regency wedding. 
Luann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but I have been 
unable to find links in the archives or a website. Could someone please 
point me in the correct direction.
Thanks,
LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over 
and over and over...
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The best trick i have is to section your hair. first make a part in the hair from ear to ear, and take the back hair and make a bun. the front hair you divide in 2 at where you want a part, then take each section and wind it around the bun and pin well. It holds for me, and I got super smooth hair, which easily glide out of bunns

Tania

Dawn <dawn@reddawn.net> wrote: Gilbert wrote:
> Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones 
> hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and 
> not the hair itself?
> 

Start with 'day-old' hair, not freshly washed. It won't be so dry and 
difficult to keep in place. Styling products don't do much for me, other 
than make my hair feel gunky, but we all have different kinds of hair.

When my hair was waist length, I usually started with a ponytail. That 
kept the mass of hair in place, and I could wrap the tail more easily. 
If it started to come out, I could re-wrap it quickly starting with the 
ponytail again. Try different kinds of pins. I was using standard 2" 
bobby pins, until I discovered some super large 3" ones that work 
better. I can lose a 2" bobby pin in the back of my head, my hair is so 
thick.

If your hair is different lengths you'll need a lot more pins to hold 
all the shorter wisps on the side of your head. I tend to keep my hair 
all one length to make it easier to put up. Don't be afraid to use a lot 
of pins, that's why they come in packs of 100.


Dawn

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Cool! I'll have to try that also...

Thanks!

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> Depending on the length and thickness of your hair, you might also  
> try braiding it before twisting it into a bun. I do this frequently.  
> I also use hair sticks to hold the bun, but hairpins, like the  
> sticks, would be more secure in braided hair because the braid keeps  
> them from moving laterally. Looks pretty too--rich and complicated,  
> if that look works with the overall impression you want. I get a lot  
> of unsolicited compliments.
> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner
> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer
> 
> On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the  
>> trick--or all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used  
>> at once...
>>
>> Marjorie
>>
>> Marjorie Gilbert
>> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
>> www.marjoriegilbert.net
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty "  
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>> To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:38 AM
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>> Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more  
>> slippery if it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want?
>>
>> Patty
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> Dear All,
>>
>> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up  
>> in a bun,
>> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after  
>> arrival. Do any
>> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a  
>> bun until
>> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair  
>> itself?
>>
>> Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...
>>
>> Marjorie
>>
>> Marjorie Gilbert
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>> www.marjoriegilbert.net
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You know I think I saw something similar on a site which described Regency 
hair styles. Your explanation of how the style is achieved is far easier to 
understand. Thank you!

Marjorie

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> The best trick i have is to section your hair. first make a part in the 
> hair from ear to ear, and take the back hair and make a bun. the front 
> hair you divide in 2 at where you want a part, then take each section and 
> wind it around the bun and pin well. It holds for me, and I got super 
> smooth hair, which easily glide out of bunns
>
> Tania
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If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first, then 
dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep the mildew 
from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun helps, especially if 
you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a snow storm here, so that 
wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, be careful because some kinds 
of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you breathe them, usually, so the dry 
clothes, if they haven't been bleached, might contain spores and other 
particles, so be careful when you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, 
wash with bleach if you want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of 
course). Wool and silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out 
(they might not get out, but it's worth a try).

As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers (somebody 
else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles but it helps 
some. OxyClean might help there also.

The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding might 
show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very dark colour.

Good luck!

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Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb was 
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anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run around naked? (not a 
pretty thought).

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Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer.  It is a piece of cloth=20
found in the food store with the detergents.  It works great.  It works=20
by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't=20
deposit onto the other fabrics.

Best of luck.

Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark
Trail" by Louis L'Amour

On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:

> If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,=20
> then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep=20
> the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun=20
> helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a=20
> snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew,=20
> be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you=20
> breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been=20
> bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when=20
> you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you=20
> want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and=20
> silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might=20
> not get out, but it's worth a try).
>
> As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers=20
> (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles=20
> but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also.
>
> The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding=20
> might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very=20
> dark colour.
>
> Good luck!
>
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>
>
> Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb=20
> was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or=20
> stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most=20
> not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run=20
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>
> Thanks,
> Patty
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Bjarne's site isn't Regency.
This is Regency,
http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/reg3.html

Are you meaning 18th century?

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I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regency wedding.
Luann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but I have been
unable to find links in the archives or a website. Could someone please
point me in the correct direction.
Thanks,
LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over
and over and over...


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How long is your hair? Mine is just shy of shoulder length, so my bun is
tiny. I usually do a french twist instead and hold in place with plastic
hair pins--look like a 3" long "U". I get them from the Vermont Country
Store catalog. Then spray with hair spray to keep flyaway bits stuck down. 

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I'm open to anything, short of super glue. A hair net might do the trick--or
all the techniques suggested on this fabulous loop used at once...

Marjorie

Marjorie Gilbert
author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
www.marjoriegilbert.net
----- Original Message -----
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Mine stays in a bun better if it's slightly dirty - much more slippery if 
it's clean. Would a hairnet spoil the effect you want?

Patty

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From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Gilbert
Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 5:07 PM
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Dear All,

I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun,
only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any
of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until
the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself?

Thank you in advance! I do love this loop...

Marjorie

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I'm sorry for the overlap between SCA Garb and H-Costume, but I just got a
fabulous book from David Brown and really want people out there to be aware
it's out.

One of the first things besides a tunic an SCA member wants and needs is a
pouch.  Personally I have used everything from a Blue Velvet bottle holder
(fine Whisky?) to a naalbinding bag made for me from wool she had spun
herself.  I have always drooled over the fancy type that has little bags
sewing to a bit one, or something that folded over the belt.

I probably don't have one because the standard "slap two pieces of fabric
together, run a seam around and make a turning for a draw string" worked.
Well, now I have no excuse for not having one of the spiffy type because a
book showing how they were done is in my grubby paws.

The book is "Purses in Pieces: Archeological finds of late medieval and 16th
century leather purses, pouches, bags, and cases in the Netherlands" by Olaf
Goubitz.  There are far more than what is listed in the title in here!
There are leather covers for books (the type tat protected the actual
binding of the book.  The type you see sometimes where there seems to be a
loose layer of fabric around the book that the Virgin is sometimes reading.

There is also a leather ink bottle and illustration of a penner and ink
bottle (courtesy of a sheep rustler drawn by Bosche).  Lots of illustrations
that we don't usually see unless we have been looking at drawings from the
Netherlands rather than just paintings.

The author was the chief leather conservator of the Netherlands for many
years.  He also wrote the book:  "Stepping Through Time" that I was turned
onto by Marc Carlson, the Historian and SCA member who also specializes in
leather shoes.

I wish I could say it was cheap, but it's $35.00 for a relatively thin book.
Never-the-less, it needs to be in the hands of someone near you if not in
your own.  For the Costume Nerds (Geeks have college training says my source
of all wisdom :-> the illustrations are good ones and As a 25 year SCA
researcher, they make it worth my while even if I don't produce a purse.
I'm a lot more likely to make one of these than a turn-shoe, worse luck.

Fascinating!

Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
"Live your life so your children can tell their children
That you not only stood for something wonderful,
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> I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun,
> only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any
> of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until
> the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself?

A lot of it comes down to getting the pins at a certain angle and it
is so very difficult to try and explain rather than just do!

I have extremely fine hair that has always been prone to being oily
which is one issue and now tends to dry, which is another issue though
makes it equally difficult to do other styles;) My hair is to my hips
and a number of different lengths which also can help or hinder
different styles.

I tend to prefer to use a couple of chop-sticks but the trick is to
start with the stick perpendicular to the top edge of the bun push it
through bun and when it hits the scalp scoop some hair while turning
the stick on a slight angle (say from right down to left) and then
wiggle it to pick up hair either side of its path and then turn the
end up to emerge out the other side of the bun. Then take the other do
the same but try and anchor the first stick (pick up hair in front and
behind the stick) and it's best to have it no more than 45% off angle
of the first stick.
It also helps to try and anchor hair and sticks and hair elastic.

Same issue with pins. I take some hair from the top of the edge of the
bun then scoop the pin forward and then under to pick up more hairs so
there is a less tension on a wider area of scalp.

You do need to experiment and experiment each time you do your hair
because you will occasionally pick up a single hair in one spot which
will hurt like heck!

Also if you are using bobby pins get some really good salon quality ones!
http://www.m-osaka.com/en/exhibitors/189/products.html
These are used by professionals and I just got a 250gm container of
them. Supper strong and with a long plastic tip that really will not
come off. Their grip is very strong but they are cut very nicely so
won't shred your hair. I was introduced to them as an extra on Xena et
al. and spent ages trying to track them down. Luckily my mother is a
hairdresser so she can get them at trade price:)

Michaela de Bruce
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Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the =
roads are cleared - snow/sleet storm here)
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Patty

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Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer.  It is a piece of cloth
found in the food store with the detergents.  It works great.  It works
by extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't
deposit onto the other fabrics.

Best of luck.

Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark
Trail" by Louis L'Amour

On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:

> If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,
> then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep
> the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun
> helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a
> snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew,
> be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you
> breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been
> bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when
> you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you
> want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and
> silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might
> not get out, but it's worth a try).
>
> As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers
> (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles
> but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also.
>
> The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding
> might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very
> dark colour.
>
> Good luck!
>
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>
> Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb
> was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or
> stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most
> not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run
> around naked? (not a pretty thought).
>
> Thanks,
> Patty
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And remember that in period they didn't have Oxyclean and Dye magnets so I'm
betting that they had stains they couldn't get out. 

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Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the roads
are cleared - snow/sleet storm here)
 
Patty

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Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer.  It is a piece of cloth found
in the food store with the detergents.  It works great.  It works by
extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit onto
the other fabrics.

Best of luck.

Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too
fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by
Louis L'Amour

On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:

> If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first, 
> then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep 
> the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun 
> helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a 
> snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew, 
> be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you 
> breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been 
> bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when 
> you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you 
> want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and 
> silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might 
> not get out, but it's worth a try).
>
> As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers 
> (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles 
> but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also.
>
> The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding 
> might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very 
> dark colour.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " 
> <RICKARPA@muc.edu>
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>
>
> Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb 
> was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or 
> stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most 
> not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run 
> around naked? (not a pretty thought).
>
> Thanks,
> Patty
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Thanks for that thought! :-)
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And remember that in period they didn't have Oxyclean and Dye magnets so
I'm
betting that they had stains they couldn't get out.=20

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Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the
roads
are cleared - snow/sleet storm here)
=20
Patty

________________________________

From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak
Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 12:57 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye



Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer.  It is a piece of cloth
found
in the food store with the detergents.  It works great.  It works by
extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit
onto
the other fabrics.

Best of luck.

Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too
fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail"
by
Louis L'Amour

On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:

> If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,=20
> then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep=20
> the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun=20
> helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a=20
> snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew,

> be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you=20
> breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been=20
> bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when

> you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you

> want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and

> silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might

> not get out, but it's worth a try).
>
> As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers=20
> (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles=20
> but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also.
>
> The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding=20
> might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very=20
> dark colour.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty "=20
> <RICKARPA@muc.edu>
> To: <h-costume@mail.indra.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:19 PM
> Subject: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye
>
>
> Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb=20
> was cracked. Needless to say everything in it is moldy, mildewed &/or=20
> stained (running dye - mostly red). Linen & wool; some trimmed, most=20
> not. Is there anything I can do at this point, or do I need to run=20
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>
> Thanks,
> Patty
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The smell (mold/mildew) is actually the major problem. (I have a mold
allergy)
Patty

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Thanks for that thought! :-)
Patty

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And remember that in period they didn't have Oxyclean and Dye magnets so
I'm
betting that they had stains they couldn't get out.=20

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Thank you both - off to look for OxyClean & Dye Magnet (as soon as the
roads
are cleared - snow/sleet storm here)
=20
Patty

________________________________

From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak
Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 12:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! mildew & mold along with some dye



Use a product call Dye Magnet in the washer.  It is a piece of cloth
found
in the food store with the detergents.  It works great.  It works by
extracting the excess color from the wash water., so it doesn't deposit
onto
the other fabrics.

Best of luck.

Susan

"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too
fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail"
by
Louis L'Amour

On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:

> If it's not TOO mildewy, as soon as you can, wash it very well first,=20
> then dry it, and keep it dry. This is the best way to at least keep=20
> the mildew from getting any worse. Hanging the clothes in the sun=20
> helps, especially if you can do it outdoors (we're in the middle of a=20
> snow storm here, so that wouldn't work ;-) If there's a lot of mildew,

> be careful because some kinds of mildew are dangerous (mostly if you=20
> breathe them, usually, so the dry clothes, if they haven't been=20
> bleached, might contain spores and other particles, so be careful when

> you handle them). Linen, cotton and polyester, wash with bleach if you

> want to kill off the mildew (not on dark colours, of course). Wool and

> silk wash with vinegar. Use OxyClean to get the stains out (they might

> not get out, but it's worth a try).
>
> As for the bleeding, you can use the product they sell for dyers=20
> (somebody else will probably supply the name), it won't work miracles=20
> but it helps some. OxyClean might help there also.
>
> The mildew stains might never get out completely, and the bleeding=20
> might show. Sometimes your only option is to dye everything a very=20
> dark colour.
>
> Good luck!
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty "=20
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> Help! My garage flooded & I just found out that a plastic bin of garb=20
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> The smell (mold/mildew) is actually the major problem. (I have a mold
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I'm going to second the sunlight treatment. Mold and mildew don't hold 
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Thanks, Andy! (I'm in NE Ohio - the anti-sunlight capital of the world)
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> The smell (mold/mildew) is actually the major problem. (I have a mold
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Thanks for Bjarne's site and the regency one. I am aware that Bjarne's work=
 is not regency. His work came up when discussing embroidery options for my=
 dress and was suggested as an example of exquisite reproduction embroidery=
.
LauraIf we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over a=
nd over and over...> From: otsisto@socket.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Sub=
ject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne's Website> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:22:37 -0600>=
 CC: > > Bjarne's site isn't Regency.> This is Regency,> http://locutus.ucr=
.edu/~cathy/reg3.html> > Are you meaning 18th century?> > -----Original Mes=
sage-----> > I am new to the list and am in the process of planning a regen=
cy wedding.> Luann was telling me I needed to see some of Bjarne's work but=
 I have been> unable to find links in the archives or a website. Could some=
one please> point me in the correct direction.> Thanks,> LauraIf we continu=
e to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over> and over and over.=
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I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713 
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've 
always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen 
Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this 
or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a 
real Victorian image this might be based on?
thanks
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I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not
recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn
before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note
that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen
Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years.
QV, age 24 close
http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg

Victorian dresses
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3&IEN=1805
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=881
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=170
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=140
http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm
http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm

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I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've
always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen
Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like this
or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think of a
real Victorian image this might be based on?
thanks
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I just received a Deal-of-the-Day notice from Fabric.com about 
embroidered velvet.  Here's the link to the 
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Some of the fabrics are cotton velvet, some are rayon/silk velvet.

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I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the
1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline
looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation
of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of
Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a
state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal
coronation gown was gold.

Cindy Abel=20

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I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not
recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn
before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note
that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen
Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years.
QV, age 24 close
http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg

Victorian dresses
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D3&IEN=3D1805
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D2&I=3D881
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D2&I=3D170
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3D2&I=3D140
http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm
http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've
always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen
Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like
this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think
of a real Victorian image this might be based on?
thanks
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I did put my hair in a pony tail but obviously did not use enough pins. Not 
even enough for me to find my way out of the mall as they scattered on the 
floor behind me. I will have to look into the more massive hair pins you 
describe. Thank you!

Marjorie

Marjorie Gilbert
author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
www.marjoriegilbert.net
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> >Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in 
> >a bun
>
> I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun 
> pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too 
> much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap 
> your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success.  The rubber 
> band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of 
> the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins 
> in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure.
>
> I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks 
> like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair.
>     --Kathy K.
>
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The best answer, then, is to costume yourself as the White Queen from Lewis Carroll's THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, and celebrate the scattered hairpins and flying hair as costuming detail at its best!
http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--12385785/sp--A/White_Queen_Alice_Adjusts_the_White_Queens_Shawl.htm

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>Sent: Dec 16, 2007 9:16 PM
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>I did put my hair in a pony tail but obviously did not use enough pins. Not 
>even enough for me to find my way out of the mall as they scattered on the 
>floor behind me. I will have to look into the more massive hair pins you 
>describe. Thank you!
>
>Marjorie
>
>Marjorie Gilbert
>author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England
>www.marjoriegilbert.net
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>> >Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to >keeping ones hair in 
>> >a bun
>>
>> I have to admit I'm one of those disgusting ones whose hair stays in a bun 
>> pretty much by itself (can't braid it though because the cohesion is too 
>> much). _However_, if you put the hair in a pony tail first and then wrap 
>> your hair around the hair band, you'll have better success.  The rubber 
>> band will be taking the structural load of holding the hair up instead of 
>> the bobby pins. The hair band won't show and you can anchor the bobby pins 
>> in the rubber band as well, adding another layer of structure.
>>
>> I have to say that I've also had better success with true hair pins (looks 
>> like a V) instead of bobby pins, but that might just be my hair.
>>     --Kathy K.
>>
>>
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My take on this is that it was taken from the V&A recent film and not from 
life.  I do not believe that there are not many portrait pictures done of 
Victoria on canvas. Since she enters history at the beginning of the 
photographic method of capturing likenesses, most of what we know of her can 
be documented on film (or tintype, dagaeru. and etc.

The comment made re the waistline setting is right-on. Most interpretations 
of mid 19th century clothing for women do not have the body proportion of 
bodice and skirt in line with the aesthetic of that period.

Kathleen


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I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the
1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline
looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation
of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of
Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a
state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal
coronation gown was gold.

Cindy Abel

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I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not
recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn
before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note
that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen
Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years.
QV, age 24 close
http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg

Victorian dresses
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3&IEN=1805
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=881
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=170
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=140
http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm
http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm

-----Original Message-----
I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've
always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen
Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like
this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think
of a real Victorian image this might be based on?
thanks
Elizabeth



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Good idea. Obviously, that had been my unintended model... Well, then, I 
pulled it off very well.

Marjorie

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> The best answer, then, is to costume yourself as the White Queen from 
> Lewis Carroll's THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, and celebrate the scattered 
> hairpins and flying hair as costuming detail at its best!
> http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--12385785/sp--A/White_Queen_Alice_Adjusts_the_White_Queens_Shawl.htm
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It looks based on one.
 
It might not be possible to find a portrait of Queen Vic in gold, because  
after Prince albert died she insisted that all the portraits of her (well, all  
possible) were altered to show her in mourning dress - according to a painting 
 expert from (I think) Christie's.
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 18/12/2007 19:02:35 GMT Standard Time,  
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Subject: [h-cost] is this based on a real  portrait?
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I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of  Butterick 3713  
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've  
always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen  
Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like  this 
or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think  of a 
real Victorian image this might be based on?
thanks
Elizabeth  






   
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In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there is
a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated
1845. (plate 14, if you have the book)

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My take on this is that it was taken from the V&A recent film and not from
life.  I do not believe that there are not many portrait pictures done of
Victoria on canvas. Since she enters history at the beginning of the
photographic method of capturing likenesses, most of what we know of her can
be documented on film (or tintype, dagaeru. and etc.

The comment made re the waistline setting is right-on. Most interpretations
of mid 19th century clothing for women do not have the body proportion of
bodice and skirt in line with the aesthetic of that period.

Kathleen


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I believe it is based on one; check out any formal portrait of the
1840's-1850's of Queen Victoria in evening dress, because the neckline
looks evening. The Butterick pattern looks more like an interpretation
of the 1840's than 1850's. You might have luck in finding pictures of
Queen Victoria in such dress made when she and Prince Albert made a
state visit to France. I don't know about gold, but I think her formal
coronation gown was gold.

Cindy Abel

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I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not
recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn
before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note
that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen
Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years.
QV, age 24 close
http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/victorian/painting/victoria/winter3.jpg

Victorian dresses
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=3&IEN=1805
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=881
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=170
http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=140
http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm
http://www.antiquedress.com/item9668.htm

-----Original Message-----
I've been looking at the cover photo on my copy of Butterick 3713
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2119647295_6faec963f3_o.jpg and I've
always thought that this was based on a real portrait or image of Queen
Victoria, but I can't find a portrait of Queen Victoria that looks like
this or even a portrait of Queen Victoria in Gold, can anyone else think
of a real Victorian image this might be based on?
thanks
Elizabeth



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Hello,

thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops,
wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all
this support and all those hints.

Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is
done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally
unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the
hope it will match his suit well.

But the wedding itself had to be postponed.

Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before
my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was
diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The
flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully
contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards.

So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry
Christmas to everyone!

Love

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Dear soul, I hope that it is a common sort of breast cancer and that 
after a few months you will be as I am and survive well beyond 15 
years.  My prayers and thoughts to you.

Betsabea

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My dear, please accept my prayers on your behalf and on your family's!
 May the holidays bring you joy and comfort, and as you are able,
please keep us posted on how you are doing!

Blessings,
Meli
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Hello,

thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops,
wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all
this support and all those hints.

Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is
done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally
unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the
hope it will match his suit well.

But the wedding itself had to be postponed.

Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before
my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was
diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The
flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully
contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards.

So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry
Christmas to everyone!

Love

B -_- M -_-
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sharon Collier" <sharon@collierfam.com>
> In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there 
> is
> a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated
> 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book)

Speaking of that book, if you'll turn to plate 11 and look at the 3rd guy 
from the left (the one with his hand to his chin) you will see the EXACT 
twin of a friend of mine from school who happens to be a genius physicist. 
Every time I look at that picture, I suspect him of having invented a time 
machine, and being rude enough to keep it from me.

More topically, plate 8 from 1842 also bears a resemblance to the dress in 
question.

-E 

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Hello!

I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the 
British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage 
got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By 
Correspondence 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it.

Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence?

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Does anyone have at hand a copy of "Ancient Textiles: Production, Craft and=
 Society" by Carole Gillis and Marie-Louise B. Nosch? I need some minor bib=
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I thought we were looking for a photo/illustration/portraitof Queen Victoria 
in the exact design and color of the contemporary pattern. Almost any dress 
design of the 1840s/50s will have the essential shoulder exposure and drape 
as one might find in Gernsheim or even Severa.

 I spent some time googling Victoria this afternoon and so far, have not 
found any 'sitting' that comes close to the pattern shown in the earlier 
message with the Question.  I am amazed at the number of painted portraits 
that were done by most of the leading artists of the day; and of course, she 
was the first of notable royalty to have her age and appearance so well 
documented by photography.

Re her coronation dress, (at least the one that shows up in the official 
paintings) seems to have been white satin with gold tissue lace deposed in 
several tiers over it.  The royal robe was red velvet, but there are several 
other portraits of her that show a deep blue velvet. The gown under this 
robe shows variously an interpretation of the white gown described above.

Kathleen

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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sharon Collier" <sharon@collierfam.com>
>> In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, there 
>> is
>> a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. It is dated
>> 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book)
>
> Speaking of that book, if you'll turn to plate 11 and look at the 3rd guy 
> from the left (the one with his hand to his chin) you will see the EXACT 
> twin of a friend of mine from school who happens to be a genius physicist. 
> Every time I look at that picture, I suspect him of having invented a time 
> machine, and being rude enough to keep it from me.
>
> More topically, plate 8 from 1842 also bears a resemblance to the dress in 
> question.
>
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I am so sorry to hear about the news! I hope that your surgery goes well and 
that you will not need chemotherapy.

I will be thinking of you...

Marjorie

Marjorie Gilbert
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> My dear, please accept my prayers on your behalf and on your family's!
> May the holidays bring you joy and comfort, and as you are able,
> please keep us posted on how you are doing!
>
> Blessings,
> Meli
> ----------------
>
> Hello,
>
> thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops,
> wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all
> this support and all those hints.
>
> Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is
> done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally
> unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the
> hope it will match his suit well.
>
> But the wedding itself had to be postponed.
>
> Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before
> my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was
> diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The
> flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully
> contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards.
>
> So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry
> Christmas to everyone!
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> Love
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That link should be 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotland

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Yes, but I notice the sleeves on the pattern aren't anything like the "real"
dress sleeves. 

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> In the book, Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, by Alison Gernsheim, 
> there is a photo of a woman in a dress with a very similar neckline. 
> It is dated 1845. (plate 14, if you have the book)

Speaking of that book, if you'll turn to plate 11 and look at the 3rd guy
from the left (the one with his hand to his chin) you will see the EXACT
twin of a friend of mine from school who happens to be a genius physicist. 
Every time I look at that picture, I suspect him of having invented a time
machine, and being rude enough to keep it from me.

More topically, plate 8 from 1842 also bears a resemblance to the dress in
question.

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Would it be the same as marriage by proxy? 

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Hello!

I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the
British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law
Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions
Marriage By Correspondence
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan).
However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it.

Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence?

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I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic Site,
which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy of my
patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me.

 

So may I ask the group, especially those have done this aspect of contract
work before, what do you charge for your patterns?

 

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Dear Sarah:

I've not done this sort of work before, but make sure you copyright your
work before selling/donating it if you are creating your patterns from
scratch, if possible. I do interlibrary loan and some authors have to
sign away their rights as author in order to get published. So if they
need a published version copy of a work they authored they sometimes
have to pay for it.

  Also, what kind of copies do they want: full scale hardcopies in what
material(paper, muslin, etc), scale copies in what scale, or digital
copies? This affects the price you charge, depending on the work you
have to put into it to supply the copy format.

Hope this helps.

Cindy Abel

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I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic
Site, which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy
of my patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me.

=20

So may I ask the group, especially those have done this aspect of
contract work before, what do you charge for your patterns?

=20

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Yikes! Here's hoping for all the best for you. And Merry Christmas and A
very Happy New Year for you, too. 

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Hello,

thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, wedding
dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all this support
and all those hints.

Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is done. I'm
using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally unashamed of using
anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the hope it will match his
suit well.

But the wedding itself had to be postponed.

Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before my
own flight to the country where it would take place, I was diagnosed with
cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The flight was cancelled, as
were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully contained, I may not even need
chemotherapy afterwards.

So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry Christmas
to everyone!

Love

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I've never come across Marriage by Correspondence.  But I'm shocked to 
find they abolished marriage by custom and repute - they kept that 
quiet!  Another unique little quirk of Scots law wiped out, sniff!

Jean


CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote:
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>
> I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the 
> British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage 
> got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By 
> Correspondence 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it.
>
> Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence?
>
> Henry Osier
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Try this link at Wikipedia - it gives a wee bit more info on the Marriage by
Correspondence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity_(conflict)

Laurie T. 

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I've never come across Marriage by Correspondence.  But I'm shocked to find
they abolished marriage by custom and repute - they kept that quiet!
Another unique little quirk of Scots law wiped out, sniff!

Jean


CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage 
> in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British 
> Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that 
> mentions Marriage By Correspondence 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan).
However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it.
>
> Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence?
>
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
> www.CC28.org
> View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
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*snippage*

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> But the wedding itself had to be postponed.
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> Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before my
> own flight to the country where it would take place, I was diagnosed with
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> were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully contained, I may not even need
> chemotherapy afterwards.
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Don't know if you'll see this or not, but please, *PLEASE* keep us posted!

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Here's an American marriage by telegraph!

SAVANNAH [GA] REPUBLICAN, February 21, 1863, p. 1, c. 3
                Marrying by Telegraph.--On the 6th of February, a 
marriage ceremony was performed by the Rev. Wm. Carr, chaplain of the 
4th regiment N. Y. S. V., under rather novel circumstances, the 
clergyman and bridegroom being in the city of Washington, and the bride 
in the village of Fulton,  Oswego county, N. Y., during the ceremony.  
The bridegroom is a member of the 4th regiment, and circumstances 
prevented his being in Fulton to fulfill his engagement with the young 
lady.  By mail, the parties agreed to have a ceremony performed through 
the medium of the electric telegraph.  The Oswego Times says:
                The day and hour having been arranged, the parties 
repaired to the telegraph office at the respective stations, the fair 
bride accompanied by a female friend as bridesmaid.  The gentlemanly 
operator at Fulton officiated as bridesman.  The first despatch over the 
wire relating to the affair was from Washington, inquiring if the lady 
was present?  An answer in the affirmative was returned, and the 
ceremony proceeded.  Three messages were sent to Fulton and two 
transmitted to Washington, and the ceremony was completed.  The last 
message from Washington was the declaration of the clergyman pronouncing 
the parties man and wife. 

Vicki Betts

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>> I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage 
>> in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British 
>> Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference 
>> that mentions Marriage By Correspondence 
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). 
>> However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it.
>>
>> Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By 
>> Correspondence?
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After all things considered like time, sizing and originality of patterns 
taken from extant garments or drafted from pictures, I ended up pricing such 
(in my now retired business) generally around $50/60.  Usually that was high 
enough to chase away the casual customer and recompense me enough 
professionally not to worry about copyright. This was pretty much for 
personal design, particular size.
 For a venue that may offer 'library' priveledges for design, I suggested 
that any subsequent use beyond the initial, that permission of the artist 
must be obtained.  I realize that this sort of permission is probably 
included in copyright agreements, but have come across it from time to time 
when no other form of continued use was given.

kathleen
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Dear Sarah:

I've not done this sort of work before, but make sure you copyright your
work before selling/donating it if you are creating your patterns from
scratch, if possible. I do interlibrary loan and some authors have to
sign away their rights as author in order to get published. So if they
need a published version copy of a work they authored they sometimes
have to pay for it.

  Also, what kind of copies do they want: full scale hardcopies in what
material(paper, muslin, etc), scale copies in what scale, or digital
copies? This affects the price you charge, depending on the work you
have to put into it to supply the copy format.

Hope this helps.

Cindy Abel

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I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic
Site, which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy
of my patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me.



So may I ask the group, especially those have done this aspect of
contract work before, what do you charge for your patterns?



Thank you

Sarah Paterson

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Hello,

has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance=20
pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions=20
sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not=20
cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",=20
a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and=20
some household inventories mention pleating=20
boards and irons. But how exactly would these=20
pleats have been made? They are so small and yet=20
look perfectly parallel when you look at this=20
picture:=20
http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/D=FCrer,+Albrecht%3A+N=FCrnbergerin+im+Haus=
kleid+%5B1%5D=20
I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you?

How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the stage?

Best wishes,
Hanna

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Sarah wrote:
>>I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National Historic Sit=
e,> which I have done before, but this time they are asking for a copy of m=
y> patterns for the archives. This one is a new one on me.<<
=20
I'd want more information, but I doubt I'd give away my pattern set.  The c=
ostuming I've done for historic sites has been for specific figures, which =
means an "archive" copy is useless to them--it would fit *only* the figure =
it was drafted for or draped on, so it wouldn't be useful for handing off t=
o another (cheaper) sewist to make up for others, nor for sending off to ha=
ve patterns bootlegged/published, nor for making up generic costume shop it=
ems.
Before pricing the work, I'd want to know more about the "archives."  Is it=
 a file drawer of documentation on each piece?  If so, I'd be willing to do=
 a documentation packet for each garment, noting specific sources consulted=
, techniques used, any compromises with historic accuracy and the justifica=
tion/thought process behind them, etc.  That would add a few hours labor to=
 the cost of the work.
I might also be willing to put together a list of currently published patte=
rns out there that would give *similar* ending garments, if such exists.  A=
gain, at my normal hourly rate.
=20
If they're wanting to use the patterns for future sewing work (done by me o=
r by others), then it's a different ballgame.  I'm not being hired as a sew=
ist--I'm being asked to design patterns, and give them a license to reprodu=
ce them as they wish.  That sort of license would come at a Very High Price=
 from me, as I'd have very little control over the finished items after the=
 patterns left my hands, and the potential for abuse of my work is huge.  P=
attern making is a different specialty than sewing.  As someone "buying" a =
pattern set from a drafter (the site is the buyer), I'd be wanting multi-si=
ze, fully graded things that would work for multiple people.  Pretty differ=
ent project from making a few one-off pieces for unique figures!
=20
If I *was* okay with turning over my proprietary work (regardless of price)=
, I'd want to know what's expected... the base shapes alone are not going t=
o do someone much good without instructions, illustrations, construction se=
quencing, pattern markings, seam allowances, notes on the pieces that aren'=
t on oaktag (such as skirts, bias bindings, most facings, etc)...=20
=20
There are So Many Variables here.  Would it be possible to ask for more spe=
cifics on what they're wanting "archived?"  That might make all the differe=
nce in the decision process.
=20
Regards,
Elizabeth Clark
 http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com=20
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In a message dated 12/20/2007 1:01:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
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> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:06:46 -0700
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> Try this link at Wikipedia - it gives a wee bit more info on the Marriage by
> Correspondence.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity_(conflict)
> 
> Laurie T. 
> 

OOH! That's a bit better. But would it apply in the late 1800's and if both 
people were Scottish, but one lived in London and the other in Toronto?
  
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In a message dated 12/20/2007 11:44:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
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> Would it be the same as marriage by proxy? 

I do not know. 
  
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Sure!
I am asked to make up 7-8 custom pairs of 19th highland military trews. As per their practice, once they approved the pattern I draft (they have already) they ask for a copy to have on file. Yes I know someday someone else may make trews for the Park, but then I will not live forever. The reasoning is fair, it allows for consistency in the patterning of the garment in the future and my pattern will likely become the Federal Standard.

I plan to charge them for this, I just don't know how much. So far I have chased down reproduction costs as they will have copies of the patterns and I shall retain the originals.

But I already appreciate your feedback. I just do not think I can get around the selling of the patterns as well, so I want to get  a fair market value.


Sarah
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From: Elizabeth Clark <elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:02 pm
Subject: [h-cost] Pattern Pricing

> Sarah wrote:
> >>I have been asked to do some cutting & sewing for a National 
> Historic Site,> which I have done before, but this time they are 
> asking for a copy of my> patterns for the archives. This one is a 
> new one on me.<<
> 
> I'd want more information, but I doubt I'd give away my pattern 
> set.  The costuming I've done for historic sites has been for 
> specific figures, which means an "archive" copy is useless to them--
> it would fit *only* the figure it was drafted for or draped on, so 
> it wouldn't be useful for handing off to another (cheaper) sewist 
> to make up for others, nor for sending off to have patterns 
> bootlegged/published, nor for making up generic costume shop items.
> Before pricing the work, I'd want to know more about the 
> "archives."  Is it a file drawer of documentation on each piece?  
> If so, I'd be willing to do a documentation packet for each 
> garment, noting specific sources consulted, techniques used, any 
> compromises with historic accuracy and the justification/thought 
> process behind them, etc.  That would add a few hours labor to the 
> cost of the work.
> I might also be willing to put together a list of currently 
> published patterns out there that would give *similar* ending 
> garments, if such exists.  Again, at my normal hourly rate.
> 
> If they're wanting to use the patterns for future sewing work (done 
> by me or by others), then it's a different ballgame.  I'm not being 
> hired as a sewist--I'm being asked to design patterns, and give 
> them a license to reproduce them as they wish.  That sort of 
> license would come at a Very High Price from me, as I'd have very 
> little control over the finished items after the patterns left my 
> hands, and the potential for abuse of my work is huge.  Pattern 
> making is a different specialty than sewing.  As someone "buying" a 
> pattern set from a drafter (the site is the buyer), I'd be wanting 
> multi-size, fully graded things that would work for multiple 
> people.  Pretty different project from making a few one-off pieces 
> for unique figures!
> 
> If I *was* okay with turning over my proprietary work (regardless 
> of price), I'd want to know what's expected... the base shapes 
> alone are not going to do someone much good without instructions, 
> illustrations, construction sequencing, pattern markings, seam 
> allowances, notes on the pieces that aren't on oaktag (such as 
> skirts, bias bindings, most facings, etc)... 
> 
> There are So Many Variables here.  Would it be possible to ask for 
> more specifics on what they're wanting "archived?"  That might make 
> all the difference in the decision process.
> 
> Regards,
> Elizabeth Clark
> http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com 
> _________________________________________________________________
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In a message dated 12/20/2007 3:56:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes:

I've not  done this sort of work before, but make sure you copyright your
work before  selling/donating it if you are creating your patterns from
scratch, if  possible. 


Not to open a can of worms or anything, but you really don't have to  
"copyright" your work, i.e., register it, for you to own it.  But, to be on  the safe 
side, so you can establish that it is yours, put the copyright  symbol and 
the date on every piece you turn over to them, if you choose  to.
 
Your question reminds me of a situation with me--I gave a lecture about a  
year ago, and then the attendees wanted a detailed reference list (or, better  
yet, a print out with images) of what I had talked about.  Well, my feeling  is 
that my lecture fee only entitles to you the lecture--if you want detailed  
written information beyond that, it should cost you extra.  
 
Same with your patterns, especially if you provide docementation, which,  
BTW, I think is very generous, but probably makes them much more useful to the  
site.  
 
As to what to charge--I just found out that an appraiser friend of mine is  
charging $125/hour, with a 2-hour minimum.  (I'm beginning to think $100 a  
lecture is too cheap!)  
 
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At 6:23 PM -0500 12/19/07, CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote:
>I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the
>British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage
>got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By
>Correspondence
>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan).
>However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it.
>
>Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence?

The Wikipedia article (like so many Wikipedia articles) is a garbled 
mix of fact and nonsense. In particular, they do not seem to really 
understand the history of marriage law in Scotland.

I don't really do the 19th century, but for the basic foundation 
(which remained essentially unchanged until 1940), see the Marriage 
sections of my article "Historical Handfasting" at

http://MedievalScotland.org/history/handfasting.shtml

Note, however, that marriage law was not uniform throughout the UK 
(let alone the whole British Empire). At a minimum, Scotland had (and 
still has) a separate legal system and laws. So marriage law and 
practice will depend on the particular place you have in mind.

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Being Scottish isn't like having venereal disease - there's a limit to how far you can take it with you!

A Canadian, or someone living in Canada,  would be covered by Canadian laws regarding marriage, and someone in London, England (as opposed to London, Ontario) would is residing in Britain and is covered by British law. It wouldn't matter a fiddler's fornication if you were Scottish or Lebanese, as I understand it. The late 19th century is pretty "modern" in my opinion - they're getting pretty tight-assed about marriage. I can't see it being legal or acceptable, but if it's a novel, well....I would recommend checking British AND Canadian law.

I have a book on the history of marriage in Canada, and came across no mention on marriage by correspondence.

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----- Original Message ----
From: "CC2010Milw@cs.com" <CC2010Milw@cs.com>
To: h-costume@indra.com
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In a message dated 12/20/2007 1:01:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
h-costume-request@indra.com writes: 
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:06:46 -0700
> From: "costumeraz" <costumeraz@qwest.net>
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question
> To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-costume@indra.com>
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> Try this link at Wikipedia - it gives a wee bit more info on the Marriage by
> Correspondence.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity_(conflict)
> 
> Laurie T. 
> 

OOH! That's a bit better. But would it apply in the late 1800's and if both 
people were Scottish, but one lived in London and the other in Toronto?
  
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thanks everyone for the help, I decided to buy the gold fabric I had my eye 
on even if Queen Victoria wasn't painted in gold. Although I wasn't actually 
planning on using this pattern (I already have a 1860s ballgown pattern that 
I know fits me so I'll just adapt the point to a more 1840s style) some late 
1830s plates actually do show a dropped waist like that pattern e.g. 
http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/maciet2/M5053MA_214X18X/Lec/M5053MA_214X18X00030_L.jpg 
(the bottom right corner). And I remember the portrait of Elizabeth II 
you're talking about, a copy of it was hung in my Girl Guides hall.
Elizabeth
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>I have seen a similar style worn by someone portraying QV but I do not
> recall any of her portraits having this style. Most gowns that she worn
> before she became a widow had some sort of lace on it or ruffle. Do note
> that the pattern has the waistline to low. Actually I believe that Queen
> Elizabeth II wore something like this gown in her early years.

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All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask:  How do I give one breast reduction surgery?  I bought a petite sized one to make ballet costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's bust.  I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving it a mastectomy!  Any suggestions?  I assume that others have had to do this too....   

We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!!  LOL

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If you can't squash it sufficiently by taking in the fabric cover,  
take an electric knife to the foam itself and carve off the extra  
bits.  Be prepared for a huge mess, but electric knives are generally  
the best thing for cutting foam rubber.

Good luck,
Melanie Schuessler


On Dec 21, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Mary wrote:

> All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the  
> Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask:  How do I give one breast  
> reduction surgery?  I bought a petite sized one to make ballet  
> costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is  
> definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's  
> bust.  I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving  
> it a mastectomy!  Any suggestions?  I assume that others have had  
> to do this too....
>
> We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when  
> nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!!  LOL
>
> ~mary
> Proud member of an "A" cup family
>
>
> I've abandoned my search for truth, and now I'm just looking for a  
> good fantasy.
>
>
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Mary,
Make the dress form cover fit the daughter snuggly.  UY's boobs
compress lots. Really!  I also have a petite dummy with the same bust
size as you.  You may have to wrestle the dummy on the floor and put
your knee in her back to get the cover on, but the foam does squish.
Yeah, even those torpedo tits.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
CinBarnes@gmail.com

Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel?
All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the
Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask:  How do I give one breast
reduction surgery?  I bought a petite sized one to make ballet
costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is
definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's bust.
 I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving it a
mastectomy!  Any suggestions?  I assume that others have had to do
this too....

We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when
nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!!  LOL

~mary
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I see. Now the question is, is the drop waist only found on day dresses or
have you found them with ball gowns or evening gowns? And was the drop waist
in the prints ever made?
Here is some extant gowns 1800s - 1839
http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html
I have not gone through them all but from the looks of things, the natural
waistline was the common level for 1830s.

-----Original Message-----
 some late
1830s plates actually do show a dropped waist like that pattern e.g.
http://www.bibliothequedesartsdecoratifs.com/maciet2/M5053MA_214X18X/Lec/M50
53MA_214X18X00030_L.jpg
(the bottom right corner).
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Melanie & Cin,

Thanks for the replies.  I think that I will try Cin's suggestion first and then Melanie's -- I have to admit I'm a bit afraid of trying to carve the foam!  lol

Happy Holidays,
~mary

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From: Melanie Schuessler <melanie@faucet.net>

If you can't squash it sufficiently by taking in the fabric cover,  
take an electric knife to the foam itself and carve off the extra  
bits.  Be prepared for a huge mess, but electric knives are generally  
the best thing for cutting foam rubber.

Good luck,
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Mary,
Make the dress form cover fit the daughter snuggly.  UY's boobs
compress lots. Really!  I also have a petite dummy with the same bust
size as you.  You may have to wrestle the dummy on the floor and put
your knee in her back to get the cover on, but the foam does squish.
Yeah, even those torpedo tits.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You dressform - how to remodel?
All the posts recently about dress forms, and specifically the
Uniquely You, has prompted me to ask:  How do I give one breast
reduction surgery?  I bought a petite sized one to make ballet
costumes for my daughter (and other dancers), but her bust is
definitely smaller -- and less "pointy" -- than the dress form's bust.
 I haven't got a clue how to reduce the size without giving it a
mastectomy!  Any suggestions?  I assume that others have had to do
this too....

We have been using the dress form, but it is slightly useless when
nothing closes in front/back and hems end up too high in front!!  LOL

~mary




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Thanks to all for your assistance! It is much appreciated!

In other news, the remake of 3:10 To Yuma is out soon on DVD. Russell Crowe 
and his chief henchman have the best non period outfits in the movie.

And run, do not walk, trample lower class people, to see the Sweeny Todd 
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Hello!
Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or 
would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the 
intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks!
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Done!  :) Responded off list...

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Hello!
Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or 
would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the 
intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks!
Happy Holidays!
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I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably
basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed.  Don't =
know
that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater...

http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters  (Scroll down).

Sg

For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo =
group.

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Hello,

has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance=20
pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions=20
sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not=20
cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",=20
a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and=20
some household inventories mention pleating=20
boards and irons. But how exactly would these=20
pleats have been made? They are so small and yet=20
look perfectly parallel when you look at this=20
picture:=20
http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/D=FCrer,+Albrecht%3A+N=FCrnbergerin+im+H=
ausklei
d+%5B1%5D=20
I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you?

How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the =
stage?

Best wishes,
Hanna

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*lower lip wibbles*

And... and... you aren't gonna share??

:)
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700
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Done!  :) Responded off list...

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Hello!
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Happy Holidays!
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Aren't we having annual discussion?

I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: 
Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like 
olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments 
of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.

Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, 
seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a 
bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region 
DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).

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On Tuesday 25 December 2007, Lavolta Press wrote:
> Aren't we having annual discussion?
>
> I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles:
> Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like
> olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments
> of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.
>
> Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices,
> seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a
> bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region
> DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming
> http://www.lavoltpress.com
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On Tuesday 25 December 2007, Lavolta Press wrote:
> Aren't we having annual discussion?
>
> I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles:
> Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like
> olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments
> of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.
>
> Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices,
> seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a
> bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region
> DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).

I bought myself a number of costuming books this year, and in fact got a 
number of books for Christmas, but none of the Christmas books were 
costume-related.  They included

The Far Traveller;
Colors:  A History of the Palette;
Ancient Egyptian Dances; 
God's Secret Agents : Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of 
the Gunpowder Plot;  Letters from Nuremberg: My Father's Narrative of a Quest 
for Justice  	

Also received:  the soundtrack for "Pirates of the Caribbean:  At World's End" 
(the third movie); 	a small fire extinguisher for the kitchen;  Munchkin 
Impossible (a card game); The Good, the Bad, and the Munchkin (ditto); 
miscellaneous small items, and a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to share with 
my husband.


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> 
> I bought myself a number of costuming books this year, and in fact got a 
> number of books for Christmas, but none of the Christmas books were 
> costume-related.  

I buy a lot of books, but around Christmas I save up some of the 
requests so people have something to give me.  I do that with business 
software too. To that end I asked for and received a copy of the Corel 
X3 graphics software package. As usual, my mother-in-law gave me some 
cookware (3 heavy 8" cake pans and 3 heavy loaf pans) and a bunch of 
dried pasta and other Italian cooking ingredients.

Fran
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> 
> The Far Traveller;
> Colors:  A History of the Palette;
> Ancient Egyptian Dances; 
> God's Secret Agents : Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of 
> the Gunpowder Plot;  Letters from Nuremberg: My Father's Narrative of a Quest 
> for Justice  	
> 
> Also received:  the soundtrack for "Pirates of the Caribbean:  At World's End" 
> (the third movie); 	a small fire extinguisher for the kitchen;  Munchkin 
> Impossible (a card game); The Good, the Bad, and the Munchkin (ditto); 
> miscellaneous small items, and a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to share with 
> my husband.
> 
> 
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In a message dated 12/25/2007 2:44:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
fran@lavoltapress.com writes:

Aren't  we having annual discussion?



I did get one costume-related gift--my mother-in-law gave me "The History  of 
Beads," by Lois Sherr Dubin.  I didn't ask for it, but it has lovely  
pictures, and I'm sure I'll learn something.
 
I'm also GIVING a costume gift--have to get a Regency-style evening turban  
done for my office mate before Jan. 5, for our 12th Night Ball at  Riversdale.
 
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In a message dated 12/25/2007 2:44:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fran@lavoltapress.com writes:

and an  IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).



*****************
 
I don't mean to be nosy or anything, but...why?
 
All the spices and stuff sounds like a nice gift. I love Indian food. I  just 
learned to make Naan on Youtube!
 
I got nothing costume related for Christmas, but everyone seemed to like  the 
long robes I made them out of outrageous African prints. I was worried  
they'd be looking at them sideways and thinking "What the hell is wrong with  him?"
 
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> I don't mean to be nosy or anything, but...why?

Why on earth would I want an IPOD?  I don't walk around listening to 
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talking on the phone--I don't have a cell phone.

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I got a comfy. but beautiful, chair for my desk where I write, a digital
camera, a table for the living room, pearl earrings, a HUGE Barns and Noble
gift cert., lingerie, books on history (Alexander the great,  and Kings--
for my costume history class.) I bought my husband a bunch of wonderful
picture books (Battles, Weapons and Warriors) that will probably find their
way to my scanner really soon-- great costume pics. And videos.

I bought myself the fresco books and Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII
and some others...

Now to find a place for everything...
Monica

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On Tuesday 25 December 2007, Lavolta Press wrote:
> Aren't we having annual discussion?
>
> I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles:
> Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like
> olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments
> of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.
>
> Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices,
> seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a
> bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region
> DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).

I bought myself a number of costuming books this year, and in fact got a
number of books for Christmas, but none of the Christmas books were
costume-related.  They included

The Far Traveller;
Colors:  A History of the Palette;
Ancient Egyptian Dances;
God's Secret Agents : Queen Elizabeth's Forbidden Priests and the Hatching
of
the Gunpowder Plot;  Letters from Nuremberg: My Father's Narrative of a
Quest
for Justice

Also received:  the soundtrack for "Pirates of the Caribbean:  At World's
End"
(the third movie); 	a small fire extinguisher for the kitchen;  Munchkin
Impossible (a card game); The Good, the Bad, and the Munchkin (ditto);
miscellaneous small items, and a $50 Barnes & Noble gift card to share with
my husband.


--
Cathy Raymond <cathy@thyrsus.com>

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool
than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain
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I can hardly contain my excitement - my husband bought me the top of the li=
ne Pfaff Creative Vision machine!!!!!   I am going to need to go back to sc=
hool to learn how to use it but I hear a wonderful ady  - Amanda- who is re=
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for me to come in and start my education.   Wheeeee   I know I'm bragging b=
ut I really thought he hated all the time I spend sewing - and now this - s=
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t] Costume related Christmas gifts> > Aren't we having annual discussion?> =
> I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: > Produ=
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I got the Kyoto Museum book (which we already have, so it will be 
exchanged for something else costume - any suggestions?), several 
SF/Fantasy/Mystery paperbacks (including the latest Karen Harper Eliz 
I mystery), and a lovely vintage-look brooch of 3 
cats.  Non-costume-ish - Bath towels, and a Cuisinart pro stand 
mixer.  I like to cook as much as sew.....

Hubby got the Erte' Sculpture book, the Warrior book (mentioned by 
someone else), and a pair of tri-color gold earrings (from me).  Plus 
other non-costumey stuff, including a giant drill/driver bit set 
(because when we're building props, we can never find the d**n drill bits!)

Sandy

At 01:43 PM 12/25/2007, you wrote:
>Aren't we having annual discussion?

"Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly --
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro'hm
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I bought myself something that will help me learn more about making 
historical costumes.
That will able me to try out a lot with less cost.
Ever since I made my 16th century wedding dress I had the feeling that I 
couldn't improve myself on making better and more beautiful costumes 
because it was getting too expensive.
But I have found a solution.
I bought myself two Ball Jointed Dolls from Korea.
One 70cm male doll and one 68cm female. She will come somewhere in 
January but I am already making a bustle gown for her.
A friend of mine has the same size doll. And yesterday we fitted the 
skirt and bustle and made a basic pattern for the bodice.
I found out by making a dress shirt and pants for my boy Quinn that it 
is the perfect size for me.
Not to small and not to big.

Now I can get more experience and try a dress or a male costume in nice 
fabrics before I make it in full size.

And we bought some beautiful patten books on French Fashion Doll making. 
And I hope my husband will like making dolls so that he will be a doll 
maker on the Anton Pieck Parade next year.
That would be fun making 19th century dolls while wearing 19th century 
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In a message dated 12/26/2007 12:09:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
praxis_729@hotmail.com writes:

my  husband bought me the top of the line Pfaff Creative Vision  machine!!!!! 
  


And, a PS to my last post.  You are very fortunate that you husband  was 
evidently paying enough attention to know where to go to buy what you  wanted.  
I've known men to buy sewing machines for their wives that were  not really that 
great.  (Not MY husband, though--he knew better!)
 
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In a message dated 12/26/2007 12:09:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
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my  husband bought me the top of the line Pfaff Creative Vision  machine!!!!! 


That is indeed a great gift, and I'm sure you will enjoy the classes.   I 
still get great enjoyment out of sitting down at my Bernina--7 years old,  
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Of course I will...any other takers?

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*lower lip wibbles*

And... and... you aren't gonna share??

:)
Meli


Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700
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Done!  :) Responded off list...

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Hello!
Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or
would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the
intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks!
Happy Holidays!
Althea
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In a message dated 12/25/2007 8:22:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fran@lavoltapress.com writes:

I don't  walk around listening to 
music. I have better stereo equipment at home.  
*************
 
I see your point. I much prefer music in the air around me than thru  
headphones. But of course now they have all these devices with speakers you  can just 
plug the iPod into. I don't have one either, but I got all my buddies  iPod 
Shuffles for Christmas [they're tiny and clip onto your lapel or shirt  collar, 
2 gigs...amazing]they love them! 
 
 
***********

Nor do I  walk around 
talking on the phone--I don't have a cell  phone

************
 
I get that too. But my cell phone has come in very handy since I have to  
travel back and forth between where I live now and my old and sick parents  back 
in my hometown. One is not required to answer the [damn] thing  every time nor 
talk on it constantly.
 
Sorry....didn't mean to get off topic.








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Two belly-dance costume books, a book on hats and one on shoes. Plus 
several volumes of fiction, some CDs to listen to, jewelry, and truffles 
  (can't go wrong there).


Dawn

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Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original copies of 
Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.
    Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is no 
right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others without 
permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not authorised any 
display of Alcega patterns on line either.

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-----Original message----- 
| Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700
| From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
| Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
| To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-costume@indra.com>
| Message-ID: <BAY133-DAV7E43A155B0F8896BC333CD25B0@phx.gbl>
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| Of course I will...any other takers?
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
| Behalf Of Sharon Henderson
| Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:50 PM
| To: h-costume@indra.com
| Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
|
| *lower lip wibbles*
|
| And... and... you aren't gonna share??
|
| :)
| Meli
|
|
| Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700
| From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
|
| Done!  :) Responded off list...
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
| Behalf Of Althea Turner
| Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:11 PM
| To: Historical Costume
| Subject: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
|
| Hello!
| Does anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or
| would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around the
| intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks!
| Happy Holidays!
| Althea
| _______________________________________________
| 

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This was posted on the AOL Classical Music boards [we talk about  everything].
 
*************************
 
 This is an article submitted to a 1999 Louisville Sentinel  contest to find 
out who had the wildest Christmas dinner. This won first  prize.


As a joke, my brother used to hang a pair  of panty hose over his fireplace 
before Christmas. He said all he wanted was for  Santa to fill them. What they 
say about Santa checking the list twice must be  true because every Christmas 
morning, although Jay's kids' stockings were  overflowed, his poor pantyhose 
hung sadly empty.

One  year I decided to make his dream come true. I put on sunglasses and went 
in  search of an inflatable love doll. They don't sell those things at  
Wal-Mart.

I had to go to an adult bookstore  downtown. If you've never been in an 
X-rated store, don't go. You'll only  confuse yourself. I was there an hour saying 
things like, "What does this do?"  "You're kidding me!" "Who would buy that?" 
Finally, I made it to the inflatable  doll section. I wanted to buy a 
standard, uncomplicated doll that could also  substitute as a passenger in my truck so 
I could use the carpool lane during  rush hour.

Finding what I wanted was difficult. Love  dolls come in many different 
models. The top of the line, according to the side  of the box, could do things I'd 
only seen in a book on animal husbandry. I  settled on "Lovable Louise." She 
was at the bottom of the price scale. To call  Louise a "doll" took a huge 
leap of imagination.

On  Christmas Eve, with the help of an old bicycle pump, Louise came to life. 
My  sister-in-law was in on the plan and let me in during the wee morning 
hours,  long after Santa had come and gone, I filled the dangling pantyhose with  
Louise's pliant legs and bottom. I also ate some cookies and drank what 
remained  of a glass of milk on a nearby tray. I went home, and giggled for a 
couple of  hours. The next morning my brother called to say that Santa had been to 
his  house and left a present that had made him VERY happy but had left the 
dog  confused. She would bark, start to walk away, then come back and bark some 
more.  We all agreed that Louise should remain in her panty hose so the rest 
of the  family could admire her when they came over for the traditional 
Christmas  dinner.

My grandmother noticed Louise the moment she  walked in the door. "What the 
hell is that?" she asked. My brother quickly  explained, "It's a doll." "Who 
would play with something like that?" Granny  snapped. I had several candidates 
in mind, but kept my mouth shut. "Where are  her clothes?" Granny continued.

"Boy, that turkey  sure smells nice, Gran," Jay, my brother said, trying to 
steer her into the  dining room. But Granny was relentless. "Why doesn't she 
have any teeth?" Again,  I could have answered, but why would I? It was 
Christmas and no one wanted to  ride in the back of the ambulance saying, "Hang on 
Granny! Hang  on!"

My grandfather, a delightful old man with poor  eyesight, sidled up to me and 
said, "Hey, who's the naked gal by the fireplace?"  I told him she was Jay's 
friend. A few minutes later, I noticed Grandpa by the  mantel, talking to 
Louise. Not just talking, but actually flirting. It was then  that we realized 
this might be Grandpa's last Christmas at home. The dinner went  well. We made 
the usual small talk about who had died, who was dying, and who  should be 
killed, when suddenly Louise made a noise that sounded a lot like my  father in the 
bathroom in the morning. Then she lurched from the panty hose,  flew around 
the room twice, and fell in a heap in front of the  sofa.

The cat screamed. I passed cranberry sauce  through my nose, and Grandpa ran 
across the room, fell to his knees, and began  administering mouth-to-mouth 
resuscitation. My brother fell back over his chair  and wet his pants and Granny 
threw down her napkin, stomped out of the room, and  sat in the car.

It was indeed a Christmas to  treasure and remember. Later in my mother's 
garage, we conducted a thorough  examination to decide the cause of Louise's 
collapse. We discovered that Louise  had suffered from a hot ember to the back of 
her right thigh. Fortunately,  thanks to a wonder drug called duct tape, we 
restored her to perfect  health.

Louise went on to star in several bachelor  party movies. I think Grandpa 
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On Dec 26, 2007 9:49 AM,  <h-costume-request@indra.com> wrote:

Costume related, I got the Janet Arnold book on 19th and early 20th c.
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Court of Henry VIII" but it hasn't arrived yet.

Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney
Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth
beachwear!)

Allison T.

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Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney
Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth
beachwear!)

Also really fun costumes in "Enchanted," which we finally got to see Saturday.? ("Sweeney Todd" and "Book of Secrets" are both on my list, too.)

Ann Wass


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On Dec 26, 2007 9:49 AM,  <h-costume-request@indra.com> wrote:

Costume related, I got the Janet Arnold book on 19th and early 20th c.
costume patterns, some fingerless gloves (EXCELLENT for use in cold
offices), and time to do some sewing. I've also got the "Dress at the
Court of Henry VIII" but it hasn't arrived yet.

Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney
Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth
beachwear!)

Allison T.

> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:43:37 -0800
> From: Lavolta Press <fran@lavoltapress.com>
> Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts
> To: h-costume@indra.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Aren't we having annual discussion?
>
> I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles:
> Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like
> olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments
> of rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.
>
> Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices,
> seeds, nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a
> bottle of elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region
> DVD player; and an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming
> http://www.lavoltpress.com
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The Kyoto museum book (which my sis-in-law's puppies promptly chewed the
dust jacket off), and we're going into the city (NYC) tonight to see Kevin
Kline in 'Cyrano' and in March to to see 'Sunday in the Park with George' 

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Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts

Aren't we having annual discussion?

I got _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, _Ancient Textiles: 
Production, Craft, and Society_, _Purses in Pieces_, a Fortuny-like
olive-colored crushed silk sleeveless dress, and two Christmas ornaments of
rather naughty-looking fairies in dressed in pastel Edwardian lingerie.

Also some science fiction and fantasy books; a whole bunch of spices, seeds,
nuts, and tea from an Indian grocery store and elsewhere; a bottle of
elderberry wine; a bottle of dandelion wine; a multi-region DVD player; and
an IPOD (I plan to get rid of the IPOD ASAP).

Fran
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Ok, Albert--that one needed a "Norking through the Nose" warning! LOL!!!

Arlys

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:26:46 EST AlbertCat@aol.com writes:
> This was posted on the AOL Classical Music boards [we talk about  
> everything].
>  
> *************************
>  
>  This is an article submitted to a 1999 Louisville Sentinel  contest 
> to find 
> out who had the wildest Christmas dinner. This won first  prize.

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Hello Ruth,
Would this not fall under "fair use?" I would like a copy of a particular 
page for academic reasons. I'm not asking for the whole book and I don't 
intend to post the page on the web. It's seems counter-productive to not 
allow academic use of published materials, especially in light of the 
extremely high price of the book. 

Althea

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0000, Ruth Bean wrote
> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original 
> copies of Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.    
> Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is 
> no right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others 
> without permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not 
> authorised any display of Alcega patterns on line either.
> 
> Ruth Bean
> Ruth Bean Publishers
> ruthbean@onetel.com
> 
> -----Original message----- 
> | Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700
> | From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
> | Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
> | To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-costume@indra.com>
> | Message-ID: <BAY133-DAV7E43A155B0F8896BC333CD25B0@phx.gbl>
> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> |
> | Of course I will...any other takers?
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
> bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Sharon Henderson | Sent: Monday, 
> December 24, 2007 2:50 PM | To: h-costume@indra.com | Subject: [h-
> cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | *lower lip wibbles*
> |
> | And... and... you aren't gonna share??
> |
> | :)
> | Meli
> |
> |
> | Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700
> | From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
> |
> | Done!  :) Responded off list...
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
> bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Althea Turner | Sent: Sunday,
>  December 23, 2007 12:11 PM | To: Historical Costume | Subject: [h-
> cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | Hello! | Does 
> anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or | 
> would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around 
> the | intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! | Happy Holidays! 
> | Althea | _______________________________________________ | 
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On Dec 26, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Althea Turner wrote:

> Hello Ruth,
> Would this not fall under "fair use?" I would like a copy of a  
> particular
> page for academic reasons. I'm not asking for the whole book and I  
> don't
> intend to post the page on the web. It's seems counter-productive  
> to not
> allow academic use of published materials, especially in light of the
> extremely high price of the book.
>
> Althea
>
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:13:30 -0000, Ruth Bean wrote
>> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original
>> copies of Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.
>> Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is
>> no right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others
>> without permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not
>> authorised any display of Alcega patterns on line either.


Please, can we not get into THAT discussion again here?

I am not the list moderator, but...... About every three to six  
months on this list, someone asks about sharing copies of something,  
and it leads into an extended exchange of conflicting, passionate  
posts about what exactly the copyright laws DO say, what they SHOULD  
say, what's right, what's wrong, what's fair and unfair, legal and  
illegal..... and it can go on for weeks.

Of course we are always getting new people on the list (welcome, new  
people!) who haven't been through one of these yet, so it's quite  
understandable that the topic will be brought up from time to time.  
But I hope that before discussing this yet again, people will first  
re-read the previous discussions in the archives. The most recent one  
was in October 2007, I think.

You can search this list's archives at:
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/
The only drawback to this search site is that it only searches  
message headers, not text, and threads about copyright often don't  
have that in the subject header. I *think* most of the October  
discussion was in a thread called "costume photos".

Or go directly to the October archive here and search on "copyright":
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/hcos07/10hcos07.cl

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> Please, can we not get into THAT discussion again here?
> 
> I am not the list moderator, but...... About every three to six  months 
> on this list, someone asks about sharing copies of something,  and it 
> leads into an extended exchange of conflicting, passionate  posts about 
> what exactly the copyright laws DO say, what they SHOULD  say, what's 
> right, what's wrong, what's fair and unfair, legal and  illegal..... and 
> it can go on for weeks.
>

If Ruth Bean as publisher is the copyright owner, first bear in mind 
that the book was copyrighted under UK law which is not identical to US 
copyright law.  Previous discussions based on US copyright law do not 
necessarily apply.

Second, if Ruth Bean is the copyright owner, then she has the power to 
give or withhold permission, and she seems to be right here to ask. 
Meaning there is no need for an extended discussion.

That does not mean I think copyright discussions are inappropriate 
merely because you are tired of them, but having the copyright owner 
right there to ask cuts right to the chase.  I assume she knows exactly 
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----  <h-costume-request@indra.com> wrote:
> Not a gift, but definitely costumey - got to see Burton's "Sweeney
> Todd" - hilarious, and very over the top visually (at last! Goth
> beachwear!)
>=20
> Allison T.

I got to see the Preview in San Diego on 12/13 sponsored by the local Goth =
group.  I took my daughter who still hasn't gotten her driver's license.  Y=
es, DD dressed me up, but I didn't do the weird makeup.  I can tell you I w=
as a bit nervous thinking I'd be the only "normal" person there.  Fortunate=
ly the most outlandish ones were people I already knew so I was OK <G>.  I =
hear the picture is already up for multiple awards...but not from me.  I tr=
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Thanks, that sounds like a good guess. The=20
"Felterer" got quite a lot of money for making=20
those pleats, so maybe it was done with basting=20
threads and was expensive because it took such a=20
long time to make. I was also thinking that the=20
pleating boards were sort of "spacers" to get=20
even distances between the gathering threads or=20
so. I will ask at the German Ren list after the holidays as well.

Hanna

At 16:09 24.12.2007, you wrote:
>I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably
>basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed.  Don't=
 know
>that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater...
>
>http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters  (Scroll down).
>
>Sg
>
>For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo=
 group.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
>Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann
>Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM
>To: h-costume@indra.com
>Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating
>
>Hello,
>
>has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance
>pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions
>sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not
>cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",
>a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and
>some household inventories mention pleating
>boards and irons. But how exactly would these
>pleats have been made? They are so small and yet
>look perfectly parallel when you look at this
>picture:
>http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/D=FCrer,+Albrecht%3A+N=FCrnbergerin+im+Hau=
sklei
>d+%5B1%5D
>I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you?
>
>How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the=
 stage?
>
>Best wishes,
>Hanna
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Sigh...my fault.  

No excuses; my most sincere apologies to Ruth.

Sorry everyone else, you'll have to order the book through interlibrary loan
and make your own copies.  I believe then, as long as you don't share them,
you will be okay under the fair use rules.  

Sg (aka Wicked Frau)


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Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe

Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original copies of 
Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.
    Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is no 
right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others without 
permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not authorised any 
display of Alcega patterns on line either.

Ruth Bean
Ruth Bean Publishers
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Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
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Just so you know that Ruth isn't being the Dog in the Manger about this, the
book is currently in print and for sale.  David Brown Books (look under
Oxbow books for those in the US) has:
 Tailor's Pattern Book, 1589: Libro De Geometria, Pratica Y Traca
http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/40289/OnlyResult/Yes

This book presents a facsimile of Juan de Alcega's Spanish tailor's guide
from the late 16th century, which `sets out the complicated calculations
needed for adapting measurements in the days when cloth and other materials
were woven in many standard widths'. It also describes and illustrated
methods of tailoring and cutting and provides tables to help the tailor
calculate the amount of cloth required for different garments for men and
women. The facsimile is followed by an illustrated English translation and a
glossary. 88p plus 66p, b/w illus (Ruth Bean rep 2000, 2004)  Price $65.

No I don't think this is anywhere near too expensive for the wonderful work
the author/editors put into it.  I have several books that are of far less
value that cost me more.  I blew up the pieces for the Spanish robe for a
friend of mine several years ago.  We tried to use the correct numbers and
sizes.  He is 5'10", it fit perfectly.

I am so glad that Ms Bean put this out on her own rather than letting the
usual big printing organization decide it's doom or not.  I know we have all
had the frustration of works like this being swept away on the tides of
greed and disinterest.  It's nice to see that it can be published and made
available without the blessings of Thames and Hudson or Oxford University
Press.

Buy it, for a wonder you actually can!  You will like it! :-)

Regina

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Wicked Frau
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:28 AM
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>
>
> Sigh...my fault.
>
> No excuses; my most sincere apologies to Ruth.
>
> Sorry everyone else, you'll have to order the book through
> interlibrary loan
> and make your own copies.  I believe then, as long as you don't
> share them,
> you will be okay under the fair use rules.
>
> Sg (aka Wicked Frau)
>
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Hello Wanda,
Where did you find it for that price? I've only seen available online  
for about $150, which is out of my price range.
If it is available for $65, I'd be happy to buy it. Really really happy.
thank you!

Althea


On Dec 27, 2007, at 8:39 PM, Wanda Pease wrote:

> women. The facsimile is followed by an illustrated English  
> translation and a
> glossary. 88p plus 66p, b/w illus (Ruth Bean rep 2000, 2004)  Price  
> $65.

Althea Turner
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Go to www.oxbowbooks.com .  Choose "Click here for US Pricing".  Put Alcega
into the Search box and you get:
Tailor's Pattern Book 1589
by Juan de Alcega
This book presents a facsimile of Juan de Alcega's Spanish tailor's guide
from the late 16th century, which `sets out the complicated calculations
needed for adapting measurements in the days when cloth and other materials
were woven in many standard widths'. It also describes and illustrated
methods of tailoring and cutting and provides tables to help the tailor
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women. The facsimile is followed by an illustrated English translation and a
glossary. 88p plus 66p, b/w illus (Ruth Bean rep 2000, 2004)

ISBN-13: 978-0-903585-31-6
ISBN-10: 0-903585-31-6
   Paperback. Price US $65.00

Personally, when I saw it had come out again I bought 3 copies just so the
publisher/distributor (in this case David Brown is the US distributor I
think) would know that there were people able and willing to buy such a
title.  At that time it was $40.00 since I got the pre-printing distribution
discount.

Since then I have earned a spot on the David Brown Marketing Manager's
e-mail list which is guanines to deplete your bank account  in a hurry!  He
asked if I thought that another 200 of the Moda di Firenzie could be sold or
if the market had been saturated...  I laughed.  It is also there for sale
at $90.00 and he is very happy with the sales figures.

The Inventories of Henry VIII, edited by David Starky are also there for $84
and the new Dress in the Court of Henry VIII, for $96 for the Very Nice
paperback. The 1542 Inventory of Whitehall: The Palace and its Keeper,  by
Maria Hayward is also there, but at $320 it is a trifle steep, but there are
two volumes 8-0) (that's the sign that I lost control and bought a set for
myself).

Something to spend that Christmas bonus on!

Wanda
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Hello Althea, Chris, Fran & Saragrace. Thank you for your comments.

Copyright is of course a reality which won't go away, but we have no 
intention of starting a speculative discussion! As Fran points out we need 
to focus only on this particular case.
    We saw no problem in the case of Saragrace kindly helping out Althea,
but then, in response to Sharon's    ''And... and... you aren't gonna 
share??"
the offer was extended to the whole list, which took it well beyond the 
realm of 'fair dealing', and naturally concerned us.
    Saragrace has now withdrawn this offer so we are happy to consider the 
matter closed.

Ruth Bean
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|
|| | > -----Original message----- 
| > | Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:31:12 -0700
| > | From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
| > | Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
| > | To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-costume@indra.com>
| > | Message-ID: <BAY133-DAV7E43A155B0F8896BC333CD25B0@phx.gbl>
| > | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
| > |
| > | Of course I will...any other takers?
| > |
| > | -----Original Message-----
| > | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
| > bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Sharon Henderson | Sent: Monday,
| > December 24, 2007 2:50 PM | To: h-costume@indra.com | Subject: [h-
| > cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | *lower lip 
wibbles*
| > |
| > | And... and... you aren't gonna share??
| > |
| > | :)
| > | Meli
| > |
| > |
| > | Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:04:47 -0700
| > | From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
| > |
| > | Done!  :) Responded off list...
| > |
| > | -----Original Message-----
| > | From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
| > bounces@indra.com] On | Behalf Of Althea Turner | Sent: Sunday,
| >  December 23, 2007 12:11 PM | To: Historical Costume | Subject: [h-
| > cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe | | Hello! | Does
| > anyone know of an online scan of the Scholar robes from Alcega? Or |
| > would be willing to scan it and send it to me? I've looked around
| > the | intarwebz and couldn't find a copy. Thanks! | Happy Holidays!
| > | Althea | 

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On Dec 26, 2007 12:13 PM, Ruth Bean <ruthbean@onetel.com> wrote:
> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original copies of
> Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.
>    Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there is no
> right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others without
> permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not authorised any
> display of Alcega patterns on line either.
>

I have a copy of the original copied from microfilm, complete with
waterspots. Unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned
it yet. She says she will have it back within a week, if the mail
allows. We will see.
Aspasia Moonwind
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Hi,
Or perhaps they used sticks? Sticks as long as the pleating was going to be 
like, you know, lye one under, then one over and so on.
This method is used for some of the headwears, that pheassant women in 
Denmark used.
Done with wet water, and taken up again when dry?

Bjarne
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From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating


I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably
basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed.  Don't know
that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater...

http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters  (Scroll down).

Sg

For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo group.

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Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM
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Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating

Hello,

has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance
pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions
sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not
cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",
a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and
some household inventories mention pleating
boards and irons. But how exactly would these
pleats have been made? They are so small and yet
look perfectly parallel when you look at this
picture:
http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Dürer,+Albrecht%3A+Nürnbergerin+im+Hausklei
d+%5B1%5D
I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you?

How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the stage?

Best wishes,
Hanna

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Gunvor and Bjarne,

thank you so much for your ideas and that wonderful link. I am on a vacation with not so much internet access, but the first brief look at the Norwegian technique was just so interesting!

Happy new year everone!

Hanna
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> Datum: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:13:03 +0100
> Von: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <drewscph@post12.tele.dk>
> An: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
> Betreff: Re: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating

> Hi,
> Or perhaps they used sticks? Sticks as long as the pleating was going to
> be 
> like, you know, lye one under, then one over and so on.
> This method is used for some of the headwears, that pheassant women in 
> Denmark used.
> Done with wet water, and taken up again when dry?
> 
> Bjarne
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wicked Frau" <wickedfrau@msn.com>
> To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-costume@indra.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating
> 
> 
> I'd hazard a guess that they were made like smocking pleating...probably
> basting threads were sewn at regular intervals and then pressed.  Don't
> know
> that there is really any "faking it"....other than using a pleater...
> 
> http://www.smockingstore.com/pleaters.html#pleaters  (Scroll down).
> 
> Sg
> 
> For further opinions you might want to join TheGermanRenCostume Yahoo
> group.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:38 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] German Renaissance pleating
> 
> Hello,
> 
> has anyone ever heard of German Renaissance
> pleating techniques? "Textiler Hausrat" mentions
> sumptuary laws by which a pleated apron must not
> cost more than a given price for the "Felterer",
> a tradesman specialised in making the pleats, and
> some household inventories mention pleating
> boards and irons. But how exactly would these
> pleats have been made? They are so small and yet
> look perfectly parallel when you look at this
> picture:
> http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Dürer,+Albrecht%3A+Nürnbergerin+im+Hausklei
> d+%5B1%5D
> I cannot believe that they were ironed one by one, do you?
> 
> How would you make these pleats, or how would you "fake" them for the
> stage?
> 
> Best wishes,
> Hanna
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Mmmmm... 8 metres of 52 cm wide new (as in not vintage) unbleached  
hand woven linen from a wonderful friend. One of the best presents  
ever. And lots of gold and white damask in a pomegranate pattern,  
plus some reticella lace (though I bought them for myself from eBay,  
they arrived with Christmas timeliness).

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Can I just add that anyone who doesn't have a copy of this marvellous  
book should really think about getting one as a standard reference if  
they work on the 16th century, much like Janet Arnold's. I've had my  
copy for about 8 years now, and it's one of the most useful books  
I've ever had (and the only good reminder of the ex who bought it for  
me...). If the house was burning down, I would seriously grab my now- 
annotated copy as one of the few things I took with me. The more I  
read it, the more I get out of it and am grateful to the scholarship  
and care that went into the translation, and making and keeping it  
available in print. I have a copy of the Spanish reprint, which is  
interesting for keeping the original format, and for some comments in  
the introduction, but nowhere near as helpful.

Ok, off my soapbox now. Happy New Year to all.

> Hilary
>


> From: "Bonnie Booker" <aspasia1@gmail.com>
> Date: 28 December 2007 5.50.15 pm GMT
> To: "Historical Costume" <h-costume@indra.com>
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe
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>
>
> On Dec 26, 2007 12:13 PM, Ruth Bean <ruthbean@onetel.com> wrote:
>> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original  
>> copies of
>> Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.
>>    Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there  
>> is no
>> right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others  
>> without
>> permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not  
>> authorised any
>> display of Alcega patterns on line either.
>>
>
> I have a copy of the original copied from microfilm, complete with
> waterspots. Unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned
> it yet. She says she will have it back within a week, if the mail
> allows. We will see.
> Aspasia Moonwind
>
> On Dec 26, 2007 12:13 PM, Ruth Bean <ruthbean@onetel.com> wrote:
>> Unless Wicked Frau has access to one of the very rare original  
>> copies of
>> Alcega, surely there's a copyright issue involved here.
>>    Certainly in most of Europe, and I assume in the USA too, there  
>> is no
>> right to offer and distribute copyright material freely to others  
>> without
>> permission, even if supplied without charge. We have not  
>> authorised any
>> display of Alcega patterns on line either.
>>
>
> I have a copy of the original copied from microfilm, complete with
> waterspots. Unfortunately I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned
> it yet. She says she will have it back within a week, if the mail
> allows. We will see.
> Aspasia Moonwind
>
>
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> Aren't we having annual discussion?
>
My only directly costume related gift was a pair of pearl earrings, when I 
started looking for earrings I was surprised how difficult it was to find 
something plain, everything seemed to have extra decoration but my sister 
found pretty much what I wanted (the hook was silver and I would have 
preferred gold, but it's just a simple shepherd's hook so it doesn't stand 
out). I was also going to get a pair of shoes I could use for costuming 
purposes (plain ballet flats work for most of the 1st half of the 19th 
century) but couldn't find any that fit properly.
Elizabeth
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My family is, apparently, no longer willing to feed my obsession with  
historic costuming.  :-)  I received several nice gifts of jewellery  
and clothing (suitable for office wear) and some lotion, etc. from  
the Aveda Salon... but not a single book or pattern, or even a gift  
certificate to Jo-Ann's!

The big surprise came a few days before Christmas, when my parents  
arrived.  They walked in carrying a box of "old magazines" and  
wondered if I wanted them.  I am now the proud owner of bound copies  
of Godey's Lady's Book from 1856 and January-June 1863, plus loose  
issues May & June 1865 and July 1871, and a bound copy of Peterson's  
Magazine from 1881.  I was stunned!  They are all in rather fragile  
condition with broken spines, pages torn and stained -- and I was  
distressed to see that someone had cut out many of the articles in  
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don't know!)  Also, someone used the back of some of the plates to  
work on their arithmetic homework but at least it's in pencil.  I  
suppose there are cleaner copies available electronically for all of  
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the beginning of each volume and I'll probably try to construct some  
of the accessories... March 1856 has something called a "Polka Jacket  
trimmed with imitation ermine"  that I find strangely appealing...  
you have been warned!  ;-)

Suzanne
[who mostly does 15th & 16th C. but has started dabbling in the  
mid-19th C. since moving to Iowa last year]
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Godey's books attract big prices on eBay, they are so hard to get.
Congratulations on your present.

Sidney


On Dec 31, 2007 2:12 PM, Suzanne <sovagris@cybermesa.com> wrote:

> My family is, apparently, no longer willing to feed my obsession with
> historic costuming.  :-)  I received several nice gifts of jewellery
> and clothing (suitable for office wear) and some lotion, etc. from
> the Aveda Salon... but not a single book or pattern, or even a gift
> certificate to Jo-Ann's!
>
> The big surprise came a few days before Christmas, when my parents
> arrived.  They walked in carrying a box of "old magazines" and
> wondered if I wanted them.  I am now the proud owner of bound copies
> of Godey's Lady's Book from 1856 and January-June 1863, plus loose
> issues May & June 1865 and July 1871, and a bound copy of Peterson's
> Magazine from 1881.  I was stunned!  They are all in rather fragile
> condition with broken spines, pages torn and stained -- and I was
> distressed to see that someone had cut out many of the articles in
> the 1856 volume.  (My mother couldn't remember which side of the
> family she inherited them from, or when.  Maybe it's better if I
> don't know!)  Also, someone used the back of some of the plates to
> work on their arithmetic homework but at least it's in pencil.  I
> suppose there are cleaner copies available electronically for all of
> these volumes but I'm thrilled to think that I have my very own paper
> copies.  I'll be making photocopies of the "ballads" that appear at
> the beginning of each volume and I'll probably try to construct some
> of the accessories... March 1856 has something called a "Polka Jacket
> trimmed with imitation ermine"  that I find strangely appealing...
> you have been warned!  ;-)
>
> Suzanne
> [who mostly does 15th & 16th C. but has started dabbling in the
> mid-19th C. since moving to Iowa last year]
> _______________________________________________
>
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In a message dated 12/30/2007 8:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes:

I was  also going to get a pair of shoes I could use for costuming 
purposes  (plain ballet flats work for most of the 1st half of the 19th 
century) but  couldn't find any that fit properly.
Elizabeth



If you are in the US, try _www.auditions.com_ (http://www.auditions.com) .  
They have a plain  ballet flat that comes in a number of colors and sizes.
 
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In a message dated 12/30/2007 8:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
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Elizabeth



Whoops--sorry--just saw you AREN'T in the US!  My bad.  Can you  make do with 
a pair of regular ballet slippers?  I bought a pair at my  local dance shop 
to get started with before I found the Auditions catalogue,  which has a 
slightly more substantial style with a very small heel.
 
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Today was the last day of some friend's visit so we decided to go to
Washougal, a tiny town on the Columbia River, Washington Side.

Sigh!  Everything seemed to be on sale although we were dragged by mental
chains to the fabric section.  All $3.95 a yard, and 25% off of that...
Purr.  The $3.95 fabric there isn't really as unusual as it sounds.  They
also had some flat fold 3 and 4 years stuff for $1.95.  Even better they
have a HUGE selection of buttons (think of a post office package trailer
about 3/4ths full).  Good thing we had the munchies or we would have had to
take a look at what the New Year would have had for us at the other store in
Portland.

Beautiful Cobalt blue, teal, dried blood red, pink, gold, etc.  And we
bought it all!  Now we need the Sewing House Elf!

Next stop JoAnns where I can pick up some 60" fabric cores to wind it all on
and set it upright in the attic (no light streaking) in the big plastic
tubs.  I write what is actually on the core and the amount.

Ah!  Life is Good!

Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey
"Live your life so your children can tell their children
That you not only stood for something wonderful,
But that you acted upon it".  Dan Zadra


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