From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 31 22:26:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m013QQ6W020541 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m013Prs2007117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m013PZx6086266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m013PY1J078698; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m013PT6W078655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-178-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.178]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m013PQfh026413 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:25:28 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c84c25$f33ad840$b2f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:25:23 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5323/Tue Jan 1 12:56:35 2008 on mail11.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c87f1b5-057b-4364-9107-08feb9b5555d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4779B2C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:25:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can you make do with > a pair of regular ballet slippers? I bought a pair at my local dance > shop > to get started with before I found the Auditions catalogue, which has a > slightly more substantial style with a very small heel. > > Ann Wass > I doubt it, the dance shops I've seen (admittedly this was about 5 years ago, but I doubt much has changed) only go up to a size 9 whereas I am a borderline size 10-11 (based on a day of touring nearly every shoe shop in the mall I probably need a 10.5 but anything above a size 10 was nearly impossible to find) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 1 14:16:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01JGcEL013269 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:16:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m01JG5ts010985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m01JEgjx058422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01JEd4a082977; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01DPalv079385 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb7.1ed7c978 (14467) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:25:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Christmas gifts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3709fa21-7f9f-4735-8964-941049cd4685 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477A9175.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:16:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/2007 10:26:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: doubt it, the dance shops I've seen (admittedly this was about 5 years ago, but I doubt much has changed) only go up to a size 9 whereas I am a borderline size 10-11 (based on a day of touring nearly every shoe shop in the mall I probably need a 10.5 but anything above a size 10 was nearly impossible to find) I have no idea if Auditions will ship overseas, but you might check. They do carry large and wide sizes. Also, a specialty dance store could probably order you a larger size, but it might take a while to get them--my husband wears a man's 10 wide, and, when he took ballet in college, it took several weeks to get his special-ordered pair. In the meantime, he borrowed a pair his instructor had, that were white instead of black, which, as he said, made him look like Bugs Bunny! Ann Wass **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 1 16:06:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01L63X7017523 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:06:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m01L5UZ7010335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m01L4MHn069339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:04:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01L4Hht062066; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01L4Bql061941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id A77182C80A7 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:04:06 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dgx10--uBEMd for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:03:56 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (host-84-9-120-195.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.120.195]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 766412C80AB for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:02:51 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200801011916.m01JGYeC084581@net.indra.com> References: <200801011916.m01JGYeC084581@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <81F5B28F-F476-4659-A1C7-C84F26BF3916@qmul.ac.uk> From: Hilary Davidson Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:03:09 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ballet slippers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc901ee3-e60f-45a2-b136-717058f82ce7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477AAB1A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Elizabeth, I got a lovely pair of white satin ballet slippers in a > size 10 once at Bloch's -I think they sell online too. If not, > Salvio's in Randwick, Sydney, goes up to 10 1/2; their ballet flats > are especially nice http://www.salvios.com.au/shoedetail.asp?id=85. > Best of luck! Hilary > > Can you make do with >> a pair of regular ballet slippers? I bought a pair at my local >> dance >> shop >> to get started with before I found the Auditions catalogue, which >> has a >> slightly more substantial style with a very small heel. >> >> Ann Wass >> > I doubt it, the dance shops I've seen (admittedly this was about 5 > years > ago, but I doubt much has changed) only go up to a size 9 whereas I > am a > borderline size 10-11 (based on a day of touring nearly every shoe > shop in > the mall I probably need a 10.5 but anything above a size 10 was > nearly > impossible to find) > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > > > > > > doubt it, the dance shops I've seen (admittedly this was about 5 > years > ago, but I doubt much has changed) only go up to a size 9 whereas > I am a > borderline size 10-11 (based on a day of touring nearly every shoe > shop in > the mall I probably need a 10.5 but anything above a size 10 was > nearly > impossible to find) > > > > I have no idea if Auditions will ship overseas, but you might > check. They > do carry large and wide sizes. Also, a specialty dance store > could probably > order you a larger size, but it might take a while to get them--my > husband > wears a man's 10 wide, and, when he took ballet in college, it > took several > weeks to get his special-ordered pair. In the meantime, he > borrowed a pair his > instructor had, that were white instead of black, which, as he > said, made him > look like Bugs Bunny! > > Ann Wass > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > doubt it, the dance shops I've seen (admittedly this was about 5 > years > ago, but I doubt much has changed) only go up to a size 9 whereas > I am a > borderline size 10-11 (based on a day of touring nearly every shoe > shop in > the mall I probably need a 10.5 but anything above a size 10 was > nearly > impossible to find) > > > > I have no idea if Auditions will ship overseas, but you might > check. They > do carry large and wide sizes. Also, a specialty dance store > could probably > order you a larger size, but it might take a while to get them--my > husband > wears a man's 10 wide, and, when he took ballet in college, it > took several > weeks to get his special-ordered pair. In the meantime, he > borrowed a pair his > instructor had, that were white instead of black, which, as he > said, made him > look like Bugs Bunny! > > Ann Wass > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 1 18:33:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01NXZE2023269 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m01NX0JC018845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m01NVjrL083565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01NVeoE078683; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:31:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m01NVaM7078596 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ccf.2308a3d8 (30737) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:31:25 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:31:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: I love the Pendleton Outlet :-) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65edab0c-ff19-41be-99d3-ee4333714522 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477ACDAC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:33:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 1/1/2008 1:00:44 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:25:49 -0800 > From: "Wanda Pease" > Subject: [h-cost] I love the Pendleton Outlet :-) > To: "H-Costume" , "SCA-GARB" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Today was the last day of some friend's visit so we decided to go to > Washougal, a tiny town on the Columbia River, Washington Side. > > Sigh! Everything seemed to be on sale although we were dragged by mental > chains to the fabric section. All $3.95 a yard, and 25% off of that... > Purr. The $3.95 fabric there isn't really as unusual as it sounds. They > also had some flat fold 3 and 4 years stuff for $1.95. Even better they > have a HUGE selection of buttons (think of a post office package trailer > about 3/4ths full). Good thing we had the munchies or we would have had to > take a look at what the New Year would have had for us at the other store in > Portland. > > Beautiful Cobalt blue, teal, dried blood red, pink, gold, etc. And we > bought it all! Now we need the Sewing House Elf! > > Next stop JoAnns where I can pick up some 60" fabric cores to wind it all on > and set it upright in the attic (no light streaking) in the big plastic > tubs. I write what is actually on the core and the amount. > > Ah! Life is Good! > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > "Live your life so your children can tell their children > That you not only stood for something wonderful, > But that you acted upon it". Dan Zadra Let's see. How can I, as a Reenactor of the Old West and the Fur Trade Eras put this. Hmmm. Ah, yes! (Clears throat) ARGH! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 1 19:53:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m020rOnV026437 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:53:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m020qp9r006453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:52:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m020pjJb088508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m020peAa039245; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m020pbOZ039143 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XpyD1Y00P1HzFnQ590hm00; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:51:36 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Y0rW1Y0073kY7qX3a00000; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:51:32 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qoUYnwRi9egA:10 a=-m40WNBYCIaNd8u49EYA:9 a=JYoQvdc2iz3bfNU2iwdmO82rq6YA:4 a=fDq-ytBZXmUA:10 Message-ID: <477ADF99.7020305@bovil.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:49:29 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] I love the Pendleton Outlet :-) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32112a80-c472-45d8-92dd-d2c5dd028299 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 477AE063.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:52:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wanda Pease wrote: > Today was the last day of some friend's visit so we decided to go to > Washougal, a tiny town on the Columbia River, Washington Side. > The Pendleton outlet in Redding, CA also has yard goods, and some pretty nice stuff. I just don't have any plaid projects on the horizon so I haven't bought any the last two trips up there. and _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 2 02:43:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m027hAhg026840 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:43:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m027gYTb026874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:42:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m027faVL017500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m027fWIF071720; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m027fSNc071671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m027fRfO005979 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:41:28 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] I love the Pendleton Outlet :-) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:48:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <477ADF99.7020305@bovil.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0799bb4-870b-4739-bcb1-aadf63c9f0f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477B406A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:42:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Since I don't do anything that requires plaids, I don't buy them. I do buy the pure Cobalt Blues, the deep reds, and a full bolt of clear forest green. Pendleton weaves things other than plaids, so don't count them out when you are fabric shopping Wanda > > The Pendleton outlet in Redding, CA also has yard goods, and some pretty > nice stuff. I just don't have any plaid projects on the horizon so I > haven't bought any the last two trips up there. > > and _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 07:16:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03CGSJj000807 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:16:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03CFrIc001977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03CEhV4092323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03CEdtt054910; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m03CEXaT054761 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46030 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2008 12:14:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gdvmfxnNSS+gOH1zelJvnS6zNyOFb3Jfce8F2H8VRqH+7hT7X9QDsgvL5HeDxYIkPRmRIRLPElzxKnlgCAniEgu7XITuf7YtTL5dIE0f1bCWVMNZcxfolRpeMSeKzxaEqrhtF72ezB6lIUDJbxZlVjirmx2xqdruc9QVgojTUR8=; X-YMail-OSG: zn2KXQAVM1kIWdFVCkTV8D92lMUxNPovHRJxhabEmyuxvd823bGAkN4fg5YUULnXecUAW.Ebc.lVbKXnT3IiMdGiaVy4wBij8SY.0i0FWU5cq9IR5UE- Received: from [75.90.111.198] by web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:14:28 PST Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Vicky Simpson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Castle Otttis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 477CD1F9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine. The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - What period? I've searched the site ( http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html ) and can't really find any specific year or time period. I do know that we do not have to be historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I can in such a short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I would be so thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little lost. Any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 07:20:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03CKorB000925 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:20:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03CKEio001322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:20:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03CJsnw092497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03CJs9c057930; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03CJo1m057904 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so4796410rvf.11 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:19:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Lots24KzJHA/vp861WiMf23AAC4iLwOGt04M11vHQtk=; b=EzV3hEwJdCISQ37seb3mQUNUSn7Mql7obujBNuLK9wllK283XdWW7bYs14woWAs7ai75jdEf20TOuAMb3H3gqhOtU8/nk9tyCGVPoaTyYVI8WqETVV0ob03OIhi5RMAfdLBobq5YLO85gpc0aMxcH89S1RHVW5jO6l0hXdLhNUE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ax2HOaKegiws66HS7vDab16HBLtcqRbRDQQA4ecbIjJrOe8tFlVM9cJlVCJxQOYZCKm303L5rD2+RMR32kGEURiyiAMlc6DxujRA1lEnS6a2SbPbbgU6TdQ32f6JeTF0diUwD/IC8HdjgfBfK5xnz9/4E2pctPmlrmaKEM6zONk= Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr8032237rvi.39.1199362789696; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.40.14 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:19:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90801030419r674e1ak5c985eb50e7c184c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:19:49 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Otttis In-Reply-To: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477CD2FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Civil war era is always a good period to get married in, the large beautiful gowns are hard to beat! Sidney On Jan 3, 2008 10:14 PM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine. The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - What period? I've searched the site ( http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html ) and can't really find any specific year or time period. I do know that we do not have to be historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I can in such a short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I would be so thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little lost. Any help at all would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:45:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03Dj7Qu003542 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:45:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03DiX4R027715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:44:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03DhUFT012904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03DhROG036282; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03DhPcM036189 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so2033903wxc.23 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=hCLgYjx7zpljS2oadxXmj7RssZluUjNCbMOwG1A/FAA=; b=rDalgfBhHJp563nhTrrqAzEmCitkiQVDhfuQbxpLmXdbryo+C7Hj9T8H5cWVQ4Qm8luAVNjxTezQ7ErZCA4VG+z+8p11WCh7QdThnwk8UerKQT1l+W8ddMicsJnQzBVihYL8pyb66KAn//HZ5DnVwQ3FUiTpDnLSjc97VsSfXL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=e/Utf7fCSuH+y3hhSFsnFkRFW2jFO9BcaRW6yL1e80BavW0ppo+/a/z2EruRUa4c2TIEoh6dc3/kPSaPS6qZYi+JqWV9V9s18rnBTEpG3qpfV1pVeqgdAnL/kY97gQ+PncavEQHYtOlY6v8+pjkHR+XowXUVjZuERqrprIYXYO8= Received: by 10.70.118.4 with SMTP id q4mr11018644wxc.9.1199367799610; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from TheBeast ( [24.128.118.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h35sm16103175wxd.20.2008.01.03.05.43.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002101c84e0e$9b154430$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <674184e90801030419r674e1ak5c985eb50e7c184c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Otttis Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:43:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477CE6C1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:44:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or let your guests choose! It can be fun to see who picks what (did this for one wedding and the guests had a whomping good time just doing the costuming) Starr ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Otttis > Civil war era is always a good period to get married in, the large > beautiful gowns are hard to beat! > > Sidney > > > On Jan 3, 2008 10:14 PM, Vicky Simpson wrote: >> My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine. >> The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - >> What period? I've searched the site ( >> http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html ) and can't really find any >> specific year or time period. I do know that we do not have to be >> historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I can in such a >> short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I would be so >> thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little lost. Any >> help at all would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Vicky > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 09:30:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03EUWg7005667 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:30:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03ETvSR013395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:30:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03EEwcS018807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03EEvtB067450; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03EEsS4067355 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W31 ([65.54.161.131]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:14:49 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.38.144.180] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Castle Otttis Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:14:49 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2008 14:14:49.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[002CCBA0:01C84E13] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477CF165.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:30:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, Vicky--I'm no expert of course, but the blurb for the place says "1,000= years ago", so that would put it ca. 1000 CE. I would say that's a "no ea= rlier than" date, though, since obviously a real "castle" would have contin= ued use for centuries. Houppelands, gothic fitted dresses, maybe even some= thing as late as Tudor would all be reasonable, but span quite a long time = period. It might be best to call your sister and ask her to narrow down th= e time frame a bit--is she wanting early as in when the "castle" would have= been new? Or somewhat later into the early Renaissance? =20 In any event, it looks like a lovely place to hold a wedding, and I hope yo= u take a lot of pictures to share! LuAnn > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:14:28 -0800 > From: vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > CC:=20 > Subject: [h-cost] Castle Otttis >=20 > My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine.= The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - W= hat period? I've searched the site ( http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html= ) and can't really find any specific year or time period. I do know that w= e do not have to be historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I = can in such a short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I = would be so thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little los= t. Any help at all would be appreciated. =20 > =20 > Thanks in advance, > =20 > Vicky > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 11:18:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03GIlI6009850 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:18:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03GI7uQ012445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:18:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03GGjDV041723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03GGZnh099271; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03CMiih059681 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:22:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so4797199rvf.11 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:22:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BKvojdS2qU+P2RgqcZF5akU4axyo7kykirHN2v4fqSs=; b=VL4JLAXQREhwS8vmEyQqkLVonI5y32n55fSzdtE22NCbXv9bbYsi+f/5Kwn/UoZg+r7H5ryticU/kj0nnM6ap/L9YmD78DsdT0UW9qjJDbGn+ND+7Cb2a3gjZvntL//vKKEcWZOfk3RMYZ1JW7dQocJUk6kTzjYZVpmJ6a6TMpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rIRFXV0fkltBcHdE0Jb1UJ2CzlvN9KLyZapw6wD94VmUBp8gGlxn5VimM1/BQAn7ARKItrystnRzPZNQiwcaxfgnHO1UBafY5z/R5JUFsc9P1/HQWO1qe9q6tQSk7yVLgWiYz5OErElJeukuxll1AWRTpK8419i5p4uFPynrHg4= Received: by 10.141.18.14 with SMTP id v14mr8022667rvi.242.1199362961197; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.40.14 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:22:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90801030422q189c74c0pa85608e4215d2a9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:22:41 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Otttis In-Reply-To: <674184e90801030419r674e1ak5c985eb50e7c184c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <674184e90801030419r674e1ak5c985eb50e7c184c@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477D0ABF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO But looking at the castle.. something Elizabethan might fit the scene more accurately! On Jan 3, 2008 10:19 PM, S Young wrote: > Civil war era is always a good period to get married in, the large > beautiful gowns are hard to beat! > > Sidney > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 10:14 PM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > > My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine. The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - What period? I've searched the site ( http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html ) and can't really find any specific year or time period. I do know that we do not have to be historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I can in such a short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I would be so thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little lost. Any help at all would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 11:22:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03GMoml009953 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:22:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03GM7V9020172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03GJsIE042294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03GJs1q003194; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03EZ1d6086423 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KjuOn54L5lhvaVCXqHp7mKQnMbtSFhWc6TA87eeTzjhcar7n2gdKl7wDkOVwZ2BE; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.231.157.57] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JAR9r-0002n7-TW for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:34:56 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Castle Otttis Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:34:56 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <000901c84e15$d10e6380$399de704@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchOAnKfSWVOddQ3RbSemYLp+3XeNQAEq3kg X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b5711205ecb3da1e07b8c26ba7e50f4245d1278acd698de1d5894d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.157.57 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477D0BAF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:22:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello Vicky, Perhaps this is a silly question but, what time period does your sister want to be married in? Is the "period dress" a request of the castle or from your sister? If the castle is making the request, they have a number on their site that you could call for more information. It looks like a breathtaking place to have a wedding. Please post pictures for all of us to see afterwards. Thanks, Diane -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Simpson Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Castle Otttis My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine. The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - What period? I've searched the site ( http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html ) and can't really find any specific year or time period. I do know that we do not have to be historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I can in such a short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I would be so thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little lost. Any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 12:02:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03H2OVe011789 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:02:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03H1lTu031502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:01:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03Gu498047621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03Gu1P1046259; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:56:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03Gtvcv046186 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so8665083pyc.4 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:55:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pJx1v933ffKeuiuG/xloMgwyH4vxP3Iv2b4NnOwwS0Y=; b=b+H0Dh8I4PBGFsZKO8lxU86hZqB9XAc3p0V8+X2dBA8y2kidUaTi4WDb35Xxni90vTyLKLjSdZEQljtbSHbEV+0BKItgeNe6hHlZ7uTAh6JGao/Rbj6toiS0mQ5ArlSE4uUXiETWZtUu21e3/vxHhaAGGNs507feQ1HCmVk1IgM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VB4zJT6sFOUmasXhdDRR9f5ta24cOUOWcvxzzqVTQqrx8r76h/e9XHN6fmMYL8qJMnx9tBofn/zc15s22Z1NQoSlolM9GXbS1QnX/HNnVdFZ5q5irnUv5bMvBZtINnqxRc+QWbFESqiydUUrWb/46bhjoHlsivBS0i1TD876VCQ= Received: by 10.65.203.3 with SMTP id f3mr32707855qbq.18.1199379356370; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.16 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:55:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:55:56 -0500 From: "Catrijn vanden Westhende" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Castle Otttis In-Reply-To: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <464791.45668.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477D14FB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Jan 3, 2008 7:14 AM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > My sister is getting married March 17th at Castle Otttis in St Augustine. The wedding party and guests are asked to dress period. My question is - What period? I've searched the site ( http://www.castleotttis.com/index.html ) and can't really find any specific year or time period. I do know that we do not have to be historically correct, but I'd like to be as close as I can in such a short time. If anyone can give me any advice on a pattern, I would be so thankful. As Civil War is more my time period, I'm a little lost. Any help at all would be appreciated. > The castle design evokes late Norman architecture to me. Compare to this tower at Dublin castle circa 1230: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Castletower.jpg There's not a ton of resources for 13th c. clothing that I'm aware of. Very generally, you'd have long, fairly loose tunics with high round necklines and sleeves that taper toward the wrist. The Maciejowski (aka Morgan) Bible is the best visual reference I can think of (c. 1250) http://www.keesn.nl/mac/mac_en.htm The Medieval Tailor's assistant might be helpful if you can borrow a copy; otherwise there are a multitude of geometric-cut tunic patterns on the web. Of course, that's for the style of the building. You'll want to check whether the bride has something different in mind. - Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 16:53:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03LrnCf028019 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:53:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m03LrErA012686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:53:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m03LpPom092089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03LpK7P005555; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao04.charter.net (mtao04.charter.net [209.225.8.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m03LpHGv005397 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sarah.krans@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mtao04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20080103215107.VZSY2230.mtao04.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net>; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:51:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [24.179.148.236]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080103215107.PYNJ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@[192.168.0.3]>; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:51:07 -0500 Message-Id: <3D023AE4-517E-4252-A81C-8B2FA374B0BD@charter.net> From: Sarah Krans To: margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, Elizabethan-Garb@yahoogroups.com, elizabeth_i@yahoogroups.com, falconskeep@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume , the_tudor_dynasty_1485_1603@yahoogroups.com, tudortalk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:50:39 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Introduction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6219d01-175c-47eb-8901-d1302fed7cf8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477D594A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:53:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just wanted to post a brief introduction. My name is Sarah and live in central Wisconsin. I first really got involved in history while walking with friends around Heidelberg Castle in 1992 and picturing people living there. I have been involved in living history since about 1994, mainly US Civil War but dabbled in other periods and most recently WWII. I keep coming back to Elizabethan and earlier, however, and most recently while doing my genealogy research (most interesting related to Henry VIII is an ancestor of mine is the grandmother to Catherine Parr). I have participated off and on with the SCA (more off than on) but am hoping to get involved again due to the focus on research and practical application (if that makes sense!). I am most interested in the social history of 16th Century England - especially that which caused people to head across the pond to the colonies. Right now I'm going through my fabrics and determining what I have and what I can do with it. I have some good sized pieces of wool flannel, linen, and definitely cotton. The silks I have are more 1860s pattern/ plaid and would not be appropriate for 16th Century. I am looking forward to getting started - and participating when I can. :) Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:18:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m041I2hH001090 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:18:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m041HRnl008100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m041GBhp019190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:16:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m041G3w7007154; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m041FwKN007104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.186] (dial-209-148-101-186.sonic.net [209.148.101.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m041FuxF026852 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:15:57 -0800 Message-ID: <477D88D9.7050600@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:16:09 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where can I find a lariat necklace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8864a7df-53c8-4f2c-b411-a5d3ed6c8eda X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477D8927.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 03:19:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m048J6J9008100 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:19:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m048IVeh009033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:18:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m048H0OO055051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m048Gvfj004370; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m048GrBT004332 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB18221D0544; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:15:20 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <477D88D9.7050600@lavoltapress.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where can I find a lariat necklace Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:16:39 -0800 Message-ID: <002101c84eaa$21dfefb0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchOb02UlPKaTveYRtinLImsKI57rwAOoz9A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <477D88D9.7050600@lavoltapress.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Semi-precious stones of some sort at the ends of the lariat. Does anyone know of any websites that sell them? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 03:19:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m048J7dP008101 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:19:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m048IV4g016310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m048HnM1055070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m048Hm7r004850; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m048HjQq004811 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:17:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB5322890468; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:16:19 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchOaRRxNqEMWdMgQAKgRSdAHm3lGQAQSH9A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 04:35:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m049Z8AI017805 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:35:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m049YW1R025794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:34:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m049XKS2061084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m049XHAd054627; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m049XFgA054532 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so8982738pyc.4 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:33:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5BAnGzmJqSrodFyQMu7oLiU9AcTi8AhRZVcUVX0PXqg=; b=PZYyzh+YSnRLNADHTgfCucHaSAaHzjp8HCx60kFmC6kqm8hpOOq6IFSDZAnWPF24Qf9Cl8Buz3et+EPUzmmYhfteTbfDiP7+Hbqlqji5n19SzgZw038TL0I4yE39H4KhmbJfFLIOy1tDzGDo/n633tosX24WtLIhxye6EOMosLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jklnEnlDnBTFHdNhgV5CU0LDOTlY3qNfVLTyS6O0PzfP8Oauf95Snyy8Fy2GhXgO7j0vXXDloVKu+Ft3XQ4y8UXmjoMOWgpt+QsBWRCppROfT5u8/ynzv5njztjr5GFz7PlmE2d+enZx+LlTUia9HiSsEZr2Un5+0Hrpn6EjR30= Received: by 10.142.97.20 with SMTP id u20mr4961730wfb.203.1199439189091; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.166.19 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:33:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <228c7530801040133g2413719ej1870598224c961ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:33:09 +1100 From: "B -_- M -_-" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions In-Reply-To: <96571EAF76624D7096ECDA64330F8BC9@Gilbert> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <96571EAF76624D7096ECDA64330F8BC9@Gilbert> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7d7b5b5-11dc-4f1e-8cdd-d0e533fd92c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477DFDA8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:34:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello all, thank you, everyone for your kind words and wishes. The surgery is now 2 weeks ago, and I am recovering. I'm sure all those good energies helped! It wasn't breast cancer, it was a cancer of the kidney. But given the diagnosis, the news are relatively good. The tumor was well contained and hasn't spread anywhere. I have a good prognosis, and they say I won't need chemotherapy. I was fit and healthy up to the operation, which is obviously the best thing to possibly be when about to have major surgery done, I am recovering really well. Right now, I don't have even pain any more, just a scar straight down the middle of my tummy from the breasts to the belly button. I get tired quickly, but other than that, I am fine. So... I'm back online! I wish a happy new year to all of you! Love, B -_- . M -_- . On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:51 AM, B -_- M -_- wrote: > Hello, > > thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, > wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all > this support and all those hints. > > Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is > done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally > unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the > hope it will match his suit well. > > But the wedding itself had to be postponed. > > Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before > my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was > diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The > flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully > contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. > > So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry > Christmas to everyone! > > Love > > B -_- M -_- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 07:36:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04CasSu010994 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:36:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04CaJr9015611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:36:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04CZBZe087108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04CZ6GZ094626; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04CYwIQ094503 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080104123457.ZROT29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:34:57 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.174]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:34:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:34:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.174] at Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:34:56 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c84ece$36be9bb0$ae43a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3aebee05-929a-4de7-88f4-b3090ac1e33c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 477E2843.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:36:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of = Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse = would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th = century outfit? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 07:45:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04CjnwL011240 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:45:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04CjDj1004150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:45:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04CinRg089190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04CimUM003459; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04Cijih003275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-64-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.64.146] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAluc-0001E8-Th for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:44:35 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080104124347.035be340@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:44:30 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings In-Reply-To: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1521a877-8909-4810-89ae-eebdd89f05a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477E2A59.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:45:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 12:34 04/01/2008, you wrote: >I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of >Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. >I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big >warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to >my 18th century outfit? This lady will make stockings to order - and she is charming with it, and very, very helpful. http://sallypointer.com/shop/index.php?cPath=38&osCsid=73b19b3432095d445e8aaf27553b88a6 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:18:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EIB61014102 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:18:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04EHZPX022754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04EGhEn011653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EGguv092858; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EGavP092681 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:18:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02A1F8D1@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <228c7530801040133g2413719ej1870598224c961ab@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions Thread-Index: AchOtUxLkgdj+M/cQEKcqlHMOPE6mwAJwFNw References: <96571EAF76624D7096ECDA64330F8BC9@Gilbert> <228c7530801040133g2413719ej1870598224c961ab@mail.gmail.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2008 14:18:26.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABCA1B60:01C84EDC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66ee170c-a3ac-43e5-9ee1-1197f2f18df4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 477E3FFF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds like the best of bad news. Best of luck in the new year - I'm sure you still have all our thoughts, prayers & other good energy. Glad you're back! Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of B -_- M -_- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions Hello all, thank you, everyone for your kind words and wishes. The surgery is now 2 weeks ago, and I am recovering. I'm sure all those good energies helped! It wasn't breast cancer, it was a cancer of the kidney. But given the diagnosis, the news are relatively good. The tumor was well contained and hasn't spread anywhere. I have a good prognosis, and they say I won't need chemotherapy. I was fit and healthy up to the operation, which is obviously the best thing to possibly be when about to have major surgery done, I am recovering really well. Right now, I don't have even pain any more, just a scar straight down the middle of my tummy from the breasts to the belly button. I get tired quickly, but other than that, I am fine. So... I'm back online! I wish a happy new year to all of you! Love, B -_- . M -_- . On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:51 AM, B -_- M -_- wrote: > Hello, > > thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, > wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all > this support and all those hints. > > Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is > done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally > unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the > hope it will match his suit well. > > But the wedding itself had to be postponed. > > Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before > my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was > diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The > flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully > contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. > > So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry > Christmas to everyone! > > Love > > B -_- M -_- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:18:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EINd5014111 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:18:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04EHhRa027634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:17:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04EHI5r011722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EHHj3093402; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EHEcp093339 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04EHDJj007641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:17:14 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04EHDsK019763 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:17:13 -0600 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:17:13 -0600 Message-ID: <20080104081713.v715eqlw0ck8kogo@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:17:13 -0600 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e09545ef-0415-4094-a689-841ca9c98af7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477E4007.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:17:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not likely in the States, I don't know about Europe. I've had good luck with the wool over-the-knee socks from sockdreams.com though. Emma > I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of > Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. > I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big > warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to > my 18th century outfit? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:56:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04EuJeA015227 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:56:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04Etbj3023764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:55:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04DNAiq098405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:23:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04DN9YS038368; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04DN5of038316 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080104132305.ZWQD29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:23:05 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.174]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080104132305.ONZD23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:23:05 +0100 Message-ID: <20080104132305.ONZD23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080104124539.SDXY1374.fep29.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:23:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.174] at Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:23:04 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000601c84ed4$efe25540$ae43a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38696ea6-4700-4dc6-bfb5-bf9cd51a50de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477E48E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:55:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thankyou very much Suzi, You always have the right answer to my questions. I am so happy for the needles you provided me. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings > At 12:34 04/01/2008, you wrote: >>I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, >>where it usually is very cold for this season. >>I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse >>would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century >>outfit? > > > This lady will make stockings to order - and she is charming with it, and > very, very helpful. > > > http://sallypointer.com/shop/index.php?cPath=38&osCsid=73b19b3432095d445e8aaf27553b88a6 > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:41:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04Ffl2i016798 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:41:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04Ff1Km024919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04FdmAo030447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:39:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04FdejQ093487; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04FdYDN093355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m04FdPAg000128 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:39:29 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:39:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49500.72.13.239.193.1199461169.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20080104081713.v715eqlw0ck8kogo@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080104081713.v715eqlw0ck8kogo@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:39:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1fd11e9-a012-4ef7-9a86-1971ae348e10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477E538D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The best bet may be to layer stockings. You usually wear upper-class clothing, so you would want your outer stocking to look good. Is it an outdoor event or just cold indoors? The other thing to look out for with thick stockings is that they may not fit correctly with your shoes and may stretch them. For your look, you would want a fine worsted anyway, not coarse and thick. One extant stocking example in the Met in New York has had the foot removed and is hemmed around the top of the foot. They probably took out the worn portion, and there is enough that you could not tell with shoes on. They are an intricate silk knit (1790s), possibly salvaged to wear over a plain stocking. And you can be sneaky and wear a modern thermal stocking underneath! -Carol >> I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of >> Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. >> I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big >> warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to >> my 18th century outfit? >> >> Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 12:15:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04HFJJ1019697 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:15:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04HEhUS002974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:14:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04HDTqd048715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04HDMca006903; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:13:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04HDI18006709 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W10 ([65.55.133.45]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:13:12 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.153.91] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:13:12 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2008 17:13:12.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[1658C6D0:01C84EF5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba091a3c-aa0a-4c03-938c-a7c8e578020e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477E6983.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:14:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not in my experience. However, I've been playing around with using the ful= led wool fabric for other things. Maybe you could get a vest out of it, or= a handbag? It's a creative opportunity!=20 Good luck! =20 Laurie =20 > From: sharon@collierfam.com> > I accidentally washed a wool sweater and = it shrank. Is there any cure to> stretch it out again?> Sharon _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TA= GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 13:12:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04ICDBe023032 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:12:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04IBVlH029062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04I9aDn058295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04I9YsY071646; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04I9UXF071479 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.caf.27462ef4 (41811) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:08:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:08:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5405b598-8f5c-42ce-b58b-d592bee704f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477E76D3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:11:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: The best bet may be to layer stockings. ************* This is what I was thinking too. Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your silk stockings over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way below freezing. The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more than likely undetectable under your correct period stockings. Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed to keep you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different colored stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? Or is that too early? Too dandy? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 13:34:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IYUoW024201 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:34:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04IXrHp015288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04IVVag063684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IVNfD000654; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IVHMO000498 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so531539nfd.41 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:31:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5A4mIWj6S4Bcby8YT+bzDg+TqTxdZP3T1DTEySBXur0=; b=XDoXNcpw/akLrg3eI2kv1rAkCnLkPPPwfNYB6+rVR0vAMGF955SwuzQp0binUlPjmZcdqx+Xkm9CqulcMxEzuBJi8HMn6ZitRbatqero6ZBrrZBdC9uyr4NKYyYpn9Erl+ghl4krXzyyhDCX7NdzSlIEyY3cn90Y0xdk/ERtpFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DQd+OJ1zOqjlmznGyIlS1Mjug5b4rEcTfo6xbyOh57+rsoSVhUdKTT+aAZdcpMBkxMp6vwizuz1ufGzCv2c30oOX6MaL0x/J1zDWOsR42I5zoUOhukiBdm4IIgK6w0RVvKA2RFCIqY7bridl9NlXRUEBvXP/7agrHbi+CKxaP6o= Received: by 10.78.190.10 with SMTP id n10mr20255818huf.37.1199471475886; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:31:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801041031v3e3d296nccb8f4db82487a31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:31:15 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fa77cc6-214f-458a-b958-29e7fa5dbeea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477E7C11.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:33:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was at a vintage flea market where one booth was actually vests and mittens and caps made from vintage felted (shrunken) sweaters (if you stretch the definition of vintage to the 1980s). They made the vests from the bodies of the sweaters and the caps and mittens from the sleeves. They were soft and warm. You could take the sweater to a good dry cleaners and ask them if blocking it would help, but I'd guess that you have a retired sweater. Lynn On 1/4/08, zelda crusher wrote: > > > Not in my experience. However, I've been playing around with using the > fulled wool fabric for other things. Maybe you could get a vest out of i= t, > or a handbag? It's a creative opportunity! > Good luck! > > Laurie > > > From: sharon@collierfam.com> > I accidentally washed a wool sweater an= d > it shrank. Is there any cure to> stretch it out again?> Sharon > _________________________________________________________________ > Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live= =99. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_= TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008___________________________________= ____________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 13:41:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IfBr3024514 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:41:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04IeVbs006096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:40:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04IctQQ065508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IcrTU011368; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04Icm1f011253 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k4so496686nfd.40 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=S3Y899DEIQcBPG0E/XuNLX96Qpk6naYnb8WMSta8f6w=; b=e/9kGrk0yrRNje5jx5vrQo1l6NtIGB2KF8WNfgoUT0SkJCDKkLkHHw/4qtECrp9sZfB+T9x06YHd2WwK2TqfhenKkqOHZCBK6nRS55gJLAFv7XSLNfXdKlJ5bhVL9VLK9Fg9EP8X5PL5KfNjrjkrwahGW/rye2qOYnuoSAO69GM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VeuK41gs7UMWqav5lgoQ759IKQ9pnJVbfZqlhnFuy+7MRPAsQA9f1C9pW22Mm0ihayURUr61JpxaxdDHsmHImFKpThUlVIDBjRD/up87eyx4YlFv8hrohMiEg9E7vTzCr1XsCZ2h9J+iu2vRkUx3n0VPPT9mXkF0Dh70PeDDi7M= Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr20254800huf.0.1199471927364; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.40.1 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190801041038w71dfb13ek6caebe01a444e881@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:38:47 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Introduction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c40ff47c-ebb8-4abd-9f15-eda5e6792452 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477E7D9F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:40:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Welcome aboard! You'll find a number of 16th century/Elizabethan costumers on this list, including myself (though many are more able/prolific than I)! I too am developing an interest in the social/political conditions that led the English to colonize the Americas, mostly fueled by a recent trip to Jamestown (1607). There was a tailor among the original colonists and a number of clothing/sewing related artifacts found at the fort site (thimble, doublet buttons, even a poking stick). What are you currently working on? Allison T. On Jan 4, 2008 1:32 PM, wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > 1. Introduction (Sarah Krans) > 2. Where can I find a lariat necklace (Lavolta Press) > 3. RE: Where can I find a lariat necklace (Sharon Collier) > 4. FW: Shrunken wool (Sharon Collier) > 5. Re: Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions (B -_- M -_-) > 6. white wool stockings (Leif og Bjarne Drews) > 7. Re: white wool stockings (Suzi Clarke) > 8. Re: white wool stockings (Leif og Bjarne Drews) > 9. RE: Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions (Rickard, Patty ) > 10. Re: white wool stockings (00217146@bigred.unl.edu) > 11. Re: white wool stockings (aquazoo@patriot.net) > 12. RE: FW: Shrunken wool (zelda crusher) > 13. Re: white wool stockings (AlbertCat@aol.com) > 14. Re: FW: Shrunken wool (Lynn Downward) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:50:39 -0600 > From: Sarah Krans > Subject: [h-cost] Introduction > To: margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, > Elizabethan-Garb@yahoogroups.com, elizabeth_i@yahoogroups.com, > falconskeep@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume , > the_tudor_dynasty_1485_1603@yahoogroups.com, tudortalk@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <3D023AE4-517E-4252-A81C-8B2FA374B0BD@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I just wanted to post a brief introduction. My name is Sarah and live > in central Wisconsin. I first really got involved in history while > walking with friends around Heidelberg Castle in 1992 and picturing > people living there. I have been involved in living history since > about 1994, mainly US Civil War but dabbled in other periods and most > recently WWII. I keep coming back to Elizabethan and earlier, > however, and most recently while doing my genealogy research (most > interesting related to Henry VIII is an ancestor of mine is the > grandmother to Catherine Parr). I have participated off and on with > the SCA (more off than on) but am hoping to get involved again due to > the focus on research and practical application (if that makes > sense!). I am most interested in the social history of 16th Century > England - especially that which caused people to head across the pond > to the colonies. > > Right now I'm going through my fabrics and determining what I have and > what I can do with it. I have some good sized pieces of wool flannel, > linen, and definitely cotton. The silks I have are more 1860s pattern/ > plaid and would not be appropriate for 16th Century. I am looking > forward to getting started - and participating when I can. :) > > Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 13:41:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IfcmD024531 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:41:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04If1hm024216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:41:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04IdNnS065610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04IdKdk011956; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:39:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04Icm2x011260 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w1so1860mue.8 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=S3Y899DEIQcBPG0E/XuNLX96Qpk6naYnb8WMSta8f6w=; b=e/9kGrk0yrRNje5jx5vrQo1l6NtIGB2KF8WNfgoUT0SkJCDKkLkHHw/4qtECrp9sZfB+T9x06YHd2WwK2TqfhenKkqOHZCBK6nRS55gJLAFv7XSLNfXdKlJ5bhVL9VLK9Fg9EP8X5PL5KfNjrjkrwahGW/rye2qOYnuoSAO69GM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VeuK41gs7UMWqav5lgoQ759IKQ9pnJVbfZqlhnFuy+7MRPAsQA9f1C9pW22Mm0ihayURUr61JpxaxdDHsmHImFKpThUlVIDBjRD/up87eyx4YlFv8hrohMiEg9E7vTzCr1XsCZ2h9J+iu2vRkUx3n0VPPT9mXkF0Dh70PeDDi7M= Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr20254800huf.0.1199471927364; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.40.1 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190801041038w71dfb13ek6caebe01a444e881@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:38:47 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Introduction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9861ac1c-ba1a-40c2-8129-6a3beb7450b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 477E7DBD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:41:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Welcome aboard! You'll find a number of 16th century/Elizabethan costumers on this list, including myself (though many are more able/prolific than I)! I too am developing an interest in the social/political conditions that led the English to colonize the Americas, mostly fueled by a recent trip to Jamestown (1607). There was a tailor among the original colonists and a number of clothing/sewing related artifacts found at the fort site (thimble, doublet buttons, even a poking stick). What are you currently working on? Allison T. On Jan 4, 2008 1:32 PM, wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > 1. Introduction (Sarah Krans) > 2. Where can I find a lariat necklace (Lavolta Press) > 3. RE: Where can I find a lariat necklace (Sharon Collier) > 4. FW: Shrunken wool (Sharon Collier) > 5. Re: Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions (B -_- M -_-) > 6. white wool stockings (Leif og Bjarne Drews) > 7. Re: white wool stockings (Suzi Clarke) > 8. Re: white wool stockings (Leif og Bjarne Drews) > 9. RE: Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions (Rickard, Patty ) > 10. Re: white wool stockings (00217146@bigred.unl.edu) > 11. Re: white wool stockings (aquazoo@patriot.net) > 12. RE: FW: Shrunken wool (zelda crusher) > 13. Re: white wool stockings (AlbertCat@aol.com) > 14. Re: FW: Shrunken wool (Lynn Downward) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:50:39 -0600 > From: Sarah Krans > Subject: [h-cost] Introduction > To: margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, > Elizabethan-Garb@yahoogroups.com, elizabeth_i@yahoogroups.com, > falconskeep@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume , > the_tudor_dynasty_1485_1603@yahoogroups.com, tudortalk@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <3D023AE4-517E-4252-A81C-8B2FA374B0BD@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I just wanted to post a brief introduction. My name is Sarah and live > in central Wisconsin. I first really got involved in history while > walking with friends around Heidelberg Castle in 1992 and picturing > people living there. I have been involved in living history since > about 1994, mainly US Civil War but dabbled in other periods and most > recently WWII. I keep coming back to Elizabethan and earlier, > however, and most recently while doing my genealogy research (most > interesting related to Henry VIII is an ancestor of mine is the > grandmother to Catherine Parr). I have participated off and on with > the SCA (more off than on) but am hoping to get involved again due to > the focus on research and practical application (if that makes > sense!). I am most interested in the social history of 16th Century > England - especially that which caused people to head across the pond > to the colonies. > > Right now I'm going through my fabrics and determining what I have and > what I can do with it. I have some good sized pieces of wool flannel, > linen, and definitely cotton. The silks I have are more 1860s pattern/ > plaid and would not be appropriate for 16th Century. I am looking > forward to getting started - and participating when I can. :) > > Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:19:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04JJmjI026557 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:19:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04JJBqG027691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04JHND0076043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:17:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04JGjw2057905; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outZ.internet-mail-service.net (outZ.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04JGdDw057818 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:16:38 -0800 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id C7E2F1277D4; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:16:37 -0800 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Message-ID: <20080104191636.GB74886@idiom.com> References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b43b64f7-7fc7-41aa-ba3f-df30d4318e27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 477E86AF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On 04 Jan 2008, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. > I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century outfit? These are not quite what you're asking for, but Smoke & Fire Company sells natural white wool stockings (not bleached white): http://www.smoke-fire.com/hats-and-stockings-2.asp I own a pair and they're very nice. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 16:27:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04LRSfT031569 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:27:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04LQpOS027839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:26:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04LOepW097512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04LNxFq009728; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04LNu9g009503 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3c.288a748d (48552) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:23:45 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:23:54 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Introduction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7905ce4-e3ce-4ea4-84a5-3374e62a82b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477EA49B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:26:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 1/4/2008 12:33:12 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:50:39 -0600 > From: Sarah Krans > Subject: [h-cost] Introduction > > > I just wanted to post a brief introduction. My name is Sarah and live > in central Wisconsin. I first really got involved in history while > walking with friends around Heidelberg Castle in 1992 and picturing > people living there. I have been involved in living history since > about 1994, mainly US Civil War but dabbled in other periods and most > recently WWII. I keep coming back to Elizabethan and earlier, > however, and most recently while doing my genealogy research (most > interesting related to Henry VIII is an ancestor of mine is the > grandmother to Catherine Parr). I have participated off and on with > the SCA (more off than on) but am hoping to get involved again due to > the focus on research and practical application (if that makes > sense!). I am most interested in the social history of 16th Century > England - especially that which caused people to head across the pond > to the colonies. > > Right now I'm going through my fabrics and determining what I have and > what I can do with it. I have some good sized pieces of wool flannel, > linen, and definitely cotton. The silks I have are more 1860s pattern/ > plaid and would not be appropriate for 16th Century. I am looking > forward to getting started - and participating when I can. :) > > Sarah Sarah, Allow me to introduce myself especially to you. I am the Chairman of Costume-Con 28, which will be in Milwaukee in 2010. I am also affiliated with the ICG Guild in Chicago. If you are not aware of it, there is a growing general event in northern Chicago in early February called Reenactor Fest. http://members.aol.com/reenactorfest/chicago.html I will be there for the weekend and, if you want to use my room for a bivouac for a day, if you come, that would be OK by me! Just don't mind my other friends who might be doing that, too. Contact me out of group if you are. Or if I can be of any other help! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 16:41:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04LfG5O032077 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:41:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04LecQX025875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:40:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04Ld1aD099533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04LcPn6031016; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04LcMoV030860 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sarah.krans@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20080104213816.ZWON18033.mtai03.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:38:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [24.179.148.236]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080104213816.SKYP17353.aarprv04.charter.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:38:16 -0500 Message-Id: <348601B3-30DA-4FBE-BB4C-28529EE4A2CB@charter.net> From: Sarah Krans To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Introduction Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:37:44 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 097968a8-d3e4-43b2-b6d7-15129b651f83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477EA7D6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:40:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> Thank you for the offer. I am actually planning on going to Reenactorfest and staying with my WWII Unit Commander (the event doubles as our annual meeting). I'll probably be running around in my late 1700s dress because I don't get to wear it all that often! I have not attended the event but have heard good things about it. Sarah > > Sarah, > Allow me to introduce myself especially to you. I am the > Chairman of > Costume-Con 28, which will be in Milwaukee in 2010. I am also > affiliated with > the ICG Guild in Chicago. > If you are not aware of it, there is a growing general event in > northern Chicago in early February called Reenactor Fest. > http://members.aol.com/reenactorfest/chicago.html > I will be there for the weekend and, if you want to use my room for > a bivouac > for a day, if you come, that would be OK by me! Just don't mind my > other > friends who might be doing that, too. > Contact me out of group if you are. Or if I can be of any > other help! > > Henry Osier > Chief Spy > Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 > www.CC28.org > View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ > Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 17:54:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04MsGTd001874 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:54:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04Mrd0o024379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:53:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04Mr2Vi009239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04MoZuF010974; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:50:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04MoRZr010777 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20080104225022.GXXL18033.mtai03.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:50:22 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080104225021.WIJK17353.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:50:21 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <348601B3-30DA-4FBE-BB4C-28529EE4A2CB@charter.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Introduction Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:50:18 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c84f24$3026b840$6501a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <348601B3-30DA-4FBE-BB4C-28529EE4A2CB@charter.net> Thread-Index: AchPGmCw+93uX/kfTJihkT22fyEqfAACaMvw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dc11335-dfcb-489f-abc3-3a6d9da4be1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477EB8F3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:53:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sarah, if you are going to be at Reenactorfest, stop by the Guilde of St. Lawrence and say hi to me too! And, if you're interested in Elizabethan, well, that's what we do :) We are a guilde of middle-class citizens at the Bristol Renn Faire in Kenosha, but my husband and I live in Madison area. Where are you? ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Krans > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:38 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Introduction > > >> > Thank you for the offer. I am actually planning on going to > Reenactorfest and staying with my WWII Unit Commander (the > event doubles as our annual meeting). I'll probably be > running around in my late 1700s dress because I don't get to > wear it all that often! I have not attended the event but > have heard good things about it. > > Sarah > > > > > Sarah, > > Allow me to introduce myself especially to you. I am the > > Chairman of Costume-Con 28, which will be in Milwaukee in > 2010. I am > > also affiliated with the ICG Guild in Chicago. > > If you are not aware of it, there is a growing > general event in > > northern Chicago in early February called Reenactor Fest. > > http://members.aol.com/reenactorfest/chicago.html > > I will be there for the weekend and, if you want to use my > room for a > > bivouac for a day, if you come, that would be OK by me! Just don't > > mind my other friends who might be doing that, too. > > Contact me out of group if you are. Or if I can be of > any other > > help! > > > > Henry Osier > > Chief Spy > > Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 > > www.CC28.org > > View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ > > Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:04:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04N488O002124 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:04:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04N3Wn8030793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:03:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04N3Hi5010772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04N0tAQ021183; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04N0pQ9021097 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AA4B1E6B054E; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:59:23 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <96571EAF76624D7096ECDA64330F8BC9@Gilbert> <228c7530801040133g2413719ej1870598224c961ab@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:00:45 -0800 Message-ID: <004c01c84f25$a35c5260$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchOtLzgZFgdCemqRryyIZ9EwclRZQAcGi3w In-Reply-To: <228c7530801040133g2413719ej1870598224c961ab@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e1edc3d-ab49-4030-ab45-e28e1f7f9250 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477EBB44.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:03:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I hope you have a speedy and complete recovery! Handwork is perfect for recovery. My mom embroidered a whole tablecloth while recovering from surgery and every time we used it, she'd tell us the story. :-) Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of B -_- M -_- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions Hello all, thank you, everyone for your kind words and wishes. The surgery is now 2 weeks ago, and I am recovering. I'm sure all those good energies helped! It wasn't breast cancer, it was a cancer of the kidney. But given the diagnosis, the news are relatively good. The tumor was well contained and hasn't spread anywhere. I have a good prognosis, and they say I won't need chemotherapy. I was fit and healthy up to the operation, which is obviously the best thing to possibly be when about to have major surgery done, I am recovering really well. Right now, I don't have even pain any more, just a scar straight down the middle of my tummy from the breasts to the belly button. I get tired quickly, but other than that, I am fine. So... I'm back online! I wish a happy new year to all of you! Love, B -_- . M -_- . On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:51 AM, B -_- M -_- wrote: > Hello, > > thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, > wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all > this support and all those hints. > > Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is > done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally > unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the > hope it will match his suit well. > > But the wedding itself had to be postponed. > > Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before > my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was > diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The > flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully > contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. > > So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. Merry > Christmas to everyone! > > Love > > B -_- M -_- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:14:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04NEKiw002655 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:14:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m04NDjiD004118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:13:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m04N5r9G011801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04N3Wn5024008; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m04N1oIV022085 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AA87AACC03E0; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:00:23 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: <004d01c84f25$c72b3120$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchOziyvSGP0WjuZQkei3YZlbHV73AAV4IGg In-Reply-To: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:13:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If not in the women's department, try a hiking/backpacking store. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century outfit? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 19:56:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m050uNn9006834 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:56:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m050tmWv008491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:55:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m050sliE029878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m050pVpm036014; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m050pRCZ035952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-119.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m050pQJK023620 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:51:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200801041831.m04IVPRe000704@net.indra.com> References: <200801041831.m04IVPRe000704@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <6EBACCA2-01D2-4A42-B74D-189C40F8A9BD@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] shrunken wool Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:51:24 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5367/Fri Jan 4 15:06:11 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e26ad43-0c2c-483f-8d6a-c2da088aa1bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477ED594.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is it merely "shrunken"? Or did it go all the way to felted? Years ago, I heard of an old country remedy for slightly-shrunken sweaters -- you soak the sweater in a solution of epsom salts and then carefully re-block it. But I never tried it and I can't remember the proportions.... Does anyone know what I'm talking about??? Good luck! Suzanne > From: "Sharon Collier" > Date: January 4, 2008 2:17:39 AM CST > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Subject: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool > Reply-To: Historical Costume > _____ > > > I accidentally washed a wool sweater and it shrank. Is there any > cure to > stretch it out again? > Sharon > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 4 20:14:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m051EgG7007271 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:14:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m051Dvqw018151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:14:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m051DQ7A032752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m051B6TJ051067; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m051B1d5050943 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z9dT1Y0061HzFnQ050L900; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:10:56 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZDAo1Y00400zNUK3a00000; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:10:48 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=m0ASQq8QC_yMfeLSyYIA:9 a=H5gesmpP8FjhRC-Aa-8A:7 a=2aHiZuYZOimfG6ecp5ue-zdSMWYA:4 a=BCkQVW9AwYcA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6EBACCA2-01D2-4A42-B74D-189C40F8A9BD@cybermesa.com> References: <200801041831.m04IVPRe000704@net.indra.com> <6EBACCA2-01D2-4A42-B74D-189C40F8A9BD@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] shrunken wool Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:10:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0249cbc6-36ba-4131-bf95-215bcf6989ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 477ED9D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:14:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would just try wetting it and reblocking it if it hasn't felted. Did you hand wash it in cold water and lay flat to dry? If so, it may be all right. Sylrog On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Suzanne wrote: > Is it merely "shrunken"? Or did it go all the way to felted? > > Years ago, I heard of an old country remedy for slightly-shrunken > sweaters -- you soak the sweater in a solution of epsom salts and then > carefully re-block it. But I never tried it and I can't remember the > proportions.... Does anyone know what I'm talking about??? > > Good luck! > Suzanne > >> From: "Sharon Collier" >> Date: January 4, 2008 2:17:39 AM CST >> To: "'Historical Costume'" >> Subject: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> _____ >> >> >> I accidentally washed a wool sweater and it shrank. Is there any cure >> to >> stretch it out again? >> Sharon >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:53:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m056rWoF020688 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:53:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m056quiC019305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:53:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m056qKat061887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m056nvSG067255; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m056nrC6067224 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.31.48.163]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8r) with ESMTP id 10184115-1928045 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:49:30 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [61.69.24.145]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8r) with ESMTP id 264788181-1928045 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:49:44 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A Gardiner-Garden Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:49:52 +1100 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=61.69.24.145 X-X-Originating-IP: 61.69.24.145 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 252f37eb-aee6-4799-8705-c04fc8061201 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 477F2948.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:53:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. Cheers and thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 5 04:56:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m059uZ7w027946 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 04:56:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m059txb9008635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 04:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m059tMl2077499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m059qwZt074953; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m059qslc074873 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jill@jigrah.co.uk) Received: from MOO.jigrah.co.uk (cpc5-midd3-0-0-cust784.midd.cable.ntl.com [82.1.167.17]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1JB5hv1OaH-00056T; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:52:48 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:52:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jill Hadfield Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions In-Reply-To: <004c01c84f25$a35c5260$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <96571EAF76624D7096ECDA64330F8BC9@Gilbert> <228c7530801040133g2413719ej1870598224c961ab@mail.gmail.com> <004c01c84f25$a35c5260$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-46286AE2; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-477F53750220=======" Message-Id: <0MKxQS-1JB5hv1OaH-00056T@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zayZuMsESlk0+uuZ9SN4hT3X2YqgOfEhEQkE xz/Q4phXGyH8WXA+9kcJ0g4fafVyYMMMirLc1A5bB83vEfUOi7 7WrK+2ud2r35V0aG8vDpmY0z8VpNWDA X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8563b4f6-d7b2-4de9-b444-7c4b7ddaf691 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 477F542F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --=======AVGMAIL-477F53750220======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-46286AE2 I also hope everything goes well for you - I had the same operation on October 31st with, I think, the same result - no chemo (very thankful). My incision was on my left side - about 20cm long from back to front (more or less along the waist line - very awkward at first but OK now) - consultant says that I need to have CT scans every 6 months to keep a check on everything - these are already organised. There are a lot of complaints about our health service but not from me - 2 cancers and 2 removed successfully all within a couple of months. Medical staff are wonderful - the administration staff not so good but you just get on with it and badger them. Anyway I've rambled enough, so good look again for a speedy recovery best wishes Jill At 23:00 04/01/2008, you wrote: >I hope you have a speedy and complete recovery! Handwork is perfect for >recovery. My mom embroidered a whole tablecloth while recovering from >surgery and every time we used it, she'd tell us the story. :-) >Sharon C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of B -_- M -_- >Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:33 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prayers, was: Re: Wedding traditions > >Hello all, > >thank you, everyone for your kind words and wishes. >The surgery is now 2 weeks ago, and I am recovering. >I'm sure all those good energies helped! > >It wasn't breast cancer, it was a cancer of the kidney. But given the >diagnosis, the news are relatively good. The tumor was well contained and >hasn't spread anywhere. I have a good prognosis, and they say I won't need >chemotherapy. I was fit and healthy up to the operation, which is obviously >the best thing to possibly be when about to have major surgery done, I am >recovering really well. Right now, I don't have even pain any more, just a >scar straight down the middle of my tummy from the breasts to the belly >button. I get tired quickly, but other than that, I am fine. > >So... I'm back online! > >I wish a happy new year to all of you! > >Love, > >B -_- . M -_- . > >On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:51 AM, B -_- M -_- wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > thanks everyone who answered my questions about dancing in hoops, > > wedding dresses and traditions, discussed styles with me, gave me all > > this support and all those hints. > > > > Yes, the dress is nearly finished now. At least, the major part is > > done. I'm using modern techniques and traditional styles, totally > > unashamed of using anything Victorian or 1830-ish, and I do have the > > hope it will match his suit well. > > > > But the wedding itself had to be postponed. > > > > Less than three weeks before the intended wedding, and six days before > > my own flight to the country where it would take place, I was > > diagnosed with cancer. I'll have to have surgery right away. The > > flight was cancelled, as were all bookings. Luckily, it's hopefully > > contained, I may not even need chemotherapy afterwards. > > > > So, this may be the last time I'll be online in a long time. 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Does anyone know what I'm talking about??? Good luck! Suzanne > From: "Sharon Collier" > Date: January 4, 2008 2:17:39 AM CST > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Subject: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool > Reply-To: Historical Costume > _____ > > > I accidentally washed a wool sweater and it shrank. Is there any cure > to stretch it out again? > Sharon > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 5 08:55:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m05DtHdH024188 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:55:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m05Dsf8f006167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m05Ds8c8001643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Jan 2008 06:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m05Doqjj034028; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 06:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m05DolFX033945 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 06:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 62276 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.249.133 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 13:50:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 35tqTiYVM1miShg8t5piVZXYOFxhKwWaROOuyvGyg3qOkHLyuwNX6c5M_W5ruw7NA9nWjRy_J6rB2BBvkZrJ.29yC40.tH0QQaR.mDVEsOw_I4zOTpuc Message-ID: <005f01c84fa1$f6972a50$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <477D88D9.7050600@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where can I find a lariat necklace Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:50:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a697546-c3b3-4b7f-842f-bbd273a42b19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 477F8C21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Semi-precious stones of some sort at the ends of the > lariat. 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I've made a tight-fitting block directly on the man and now my trouble is where and how much to enlarge it. Shall I enlarge it only horizontally, or in both directions, where more, where less. How big will be the bust difference between the measurement and the actual garment? I cannot figure out how to do a block or a fitting with all the layers unstitched and I cannot afford to make a big mistake, as I'll probably first cut out the pattern on all the layers, do the quilting and then do the fitting. Do you have some experience with that, or can refer to a good web page or an older h-cost discussion (I didn't find any of this sort)? Thanks a lot for any hints and tips, Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:44:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m05NiIvB021623 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:44:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m05Nhg6q032731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:43:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m05Nh3Wj036513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m05Nh0qM099955; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m05Ngu89099863 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:42:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W15 ([65.55.136.50]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:42:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.37.214.32] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] pourpoint pattern construction Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:42:51 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <879037.63229.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <879037.63229.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2008 23:42:51.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFB6DAB0:01C84FF4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ed3dda2-387a-4470-88e2-6255819393c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4780162E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:43:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Zuzana wrote: > I'm going to make a pourpoint inspired by the Charles de Blois=20 > pourpoint, fitted, but not as much as the extant garment, and of a=20 > slightly thicker material and padding. > > I'm familiar with modern construction techniques and know some of the=20 > period ones, but the problem is that I've never done a padded garment=20 > before and I cannot imagine how much larger the pattern should be=20 > according to the wearer's measurements. I've made a tight-fitting block=20 > directly on the man and now my trouble is where and how much to=20 > enlarge it. Shall I enlarge it only horizontally, or in both directions,= =20 > where more, where less. How big will be the bust difference between the=20 > measurement and the actual garment? > > I cannot figure out how to do a block or a fitting with all the layers > unstitched and I cannot afford to make a big mistake, as I'll probably=20 > first cut out the pattern on all the layers, do the quilting and then do = the=20 > fitting. The one time I made one of these, I decided to avoid quilting flat, because= I had found that this causes bunching or wrinkling of the inner layers onc= e I wrap the fabric around the person's torso. In the past, for a 16th c. s= tructured bodice, I'd solved this problem by hand-quilting the layers in a = curved shape, pinned around a cylindrical trash can whose measurements were= not too far off the person's torso. In that case, I fitted the inner layer= first, and I didn't trim down the outer layer till the quilting was done, = so I didn't have to worry about exactly where to trim. For the pourpoint, which covered a larger area and a more complicated shape= , I did much the same, but directly around the person's body. I sewed a lin= en lining first, to fit properly on the man. Then he stood with the lining = on, and I laid cotton padding in layers over his body. One advantage of thi= s is that we could layer the padding more thickly in some areas to compensa= te for imbalances (one side of his chest was much smaller than the other) a= nd also to make the top more padded than the hips. I carefully basted the l= ayers in place on the body. He was very patient! Then I laid a layer of lin= en over all, cut roughly to size, made sure we liked how it looked, and bas= ted that on top. I took it off him and quilted everything properly, holding= the fabric in a body-shaped curve (which was easy since the basting kept t= he layers in place in that shape). I then "upholstered" the final outer lay= er (linen or silk, I have forgotten) over the top, with a more decorative s= titching through all the layers.=20 I left a large seam allowance on the outer layer only. At the armholes, thi= s served as a place to attach the sleeves, which I worked out and assembled= separately after the body was done. On the neckline, hem, and front openin= g, I turned the outer-layer allowance over the raw edges of the quilted sec= tions, trimmed it evenly and sewed it down, and covered the raw edge of the= turndown with a strip of silk binding. I may have some details wrong on the above, as it has been more than a deca= de since I made this. The man involved is in the SCA; those of you in North= shield may remember this as a bright blue pourpoint that Valerius wore star= ting in 1996. (There was a silk brocaded short houppelande in black and gol= d and red he wore over it.) Just a few months ago I saw the entire outfit a= gain for the first time since I made it, so I'm remembering some details, b= ut I would have to examine it closely again to remember all. --Robin I have no idea if this is a period practice or not, but it worked. _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference= . http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_watchcause= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 5 19:09:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0609FdH022781 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:09:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0608dYL011990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0608CUg039638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0608AFx017154; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06085A7017047 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so5717436rvf.11 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:08:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WsbNW04cxf5c0mLJUJZIYH9ZI1CpXFvwNiBvDhGG434=; b=PUomab9kCP06OjJvkr/MMr2Xbn8FPaeHr3sP0TBMecINSsLae/r8RZga1Oiy59aYehjR23WcY+tKJp1MMLpreuGDyLC1vEyXNZxSmAPvYzAmJ0JWcLvQlpfyIny4tZROuDZHYjHlI21MryIZOZR6h4PqWH/HUdIv2gp6wwyW6JU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KDGU636BVkLv+Sw7r/xlIymNEiKCI/L2kax6zPnloyT915TScX93LUoHcssqHWc0nHmZ//XRFIBNIht08/Gp/7D8mQEYf20iWT1Be+q4J9Qx8oFlNwKpJIBWk08hCt2ChXXQifX2ij8dzRykHW4gUuRam2o6SiAq3xz6Ws+MsXM= Received: by 10.143.187.2 with SMTP id o2mr5648843wfp.162.1199578084651; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:08:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:08:04 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36ef9fc4-304a-4729-b03c-4f26db197fb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47801C07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort it out. Have you made this style? Thanks, Aylwen On 1/6/08, Susan Farmer wrote: > Quoting A Gardiner-Garden : > > > I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing > > out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice > > shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me > > and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another > > pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will > > turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. > > Cheers and thanks, Aylwen > > It's not attached. It's two separage garments. > > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College > Division of Science and Math > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 10:48:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06FmV0J011803 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:48:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06FltZP009756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:48:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06FlFwc094203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06Fl7hB075027; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06Fl4eL074984 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200801061547.m06Fl4eL074984@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 16206 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 07:47:06 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16093, pid: 16197, t: 2.3490s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 07:47:03 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:44:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool In-Reply-To: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29a77874-d7c9-4834-98af-7a405add365f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4780F82B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You now have a piece of knitted felt. :-( Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 13:59:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06IxsuB019137 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06IxDgh027578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06IwVRN021961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:58:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06IwPTX031212; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06IwNhe031130 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-DS1 ([65.55.138.28]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:58:18 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:58:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AchOzmG8f2BzAEFoRiGPUjJtNU1X7QBx4mQg In-Reply-To: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2008 18:58:18.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[1997BBB0:01C85096] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70a3f6ce-3fbb-4364-b59d-77902ed4954c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47812501.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Though the website doesn't show them, this guy sells wonderful, offwhite, wool (merino?) socks. http://www.thebasketman.com/corp.htm -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century outfit? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:02:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06L26sr023249 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:02:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06L1UoW003077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06L0rUr038321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06L0mIR024204; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:00:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06L0hVL024073 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6943511539A for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:00:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:00:38 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 032e19e8-15ea-484b-a83e-6f50fd0a6ff1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478141AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:01:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn Aylwen Garden wrote: > Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they > put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort > it out. Have you made this style? > Thanks, Aylwen > > On 1/6/08, Susan Farmer wrote: > >> Quoting A Gardiner-Garden : >> >> >>> I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing >>> out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice >>> shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me >>> and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another >>> pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will >>> turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. >>> Cheers and thanks, Aylwen >>> >> It's not attached. It's two separage garments. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:22:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06LMRxu024123 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:22:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06LLpGe014558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06LLLMA041112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06LLKtC046972; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [67.18.80.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06LLHhC046936 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:21:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 20723 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 21:24:26 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 21:24:26 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52312) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBcve-0007va-9g; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:21:10 -0600 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20080106162109.p1fpebodicc84kkg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:21:09 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c826f33e-1c9f-4187-a258-f81a508580be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4781466F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:21:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Aylwen Garden : > Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they > put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort > it out. Have you made this style? nods. They're hateful like that. Several folks (and I'm *going* to do it) take the pattern pieces and just trace them off onto interfacing. I did iron my pattern pieces to fusable interfacing, but you've still got 3 or 4 different views on the same piece, and that's annoying. I haven't made V yet; I want to make one. I'm starting work on a I, but I"m not using this pattern except for the sleeve. I went to a workshop and got a bodice pattern drafted for me to do it with. jerusha/ susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:26:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06LQ53Q024263 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:26:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06LPKEe016325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:25:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06LP4Zl041899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:25:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06LP4xb050123; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:25:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway06.websitewelcome.com (gateway06.websitewelcome.com [67.18.14.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06LP06U050075 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:25:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 506 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 21:28:32 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway06.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 21:28:32 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57688) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBczG-0000xd-Va; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:24:55 -0600 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20080106162454.c5z1f9r6swos4k4c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:24:54 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31d52ec5-4c19-4e72-a1d0-ae2cb1bd32a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47814740.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My plan is to make a toile and then tweak it. susan/ jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:03:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06M3bia025649 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:03:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06M31OX013300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06M2C8u045458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06M29vL084112; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06M25tg084024 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 31494 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 22:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.175.127 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 22:01:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aPlc5SMVM1mCoCr8JkNKkuvOf8G8qZQpVz.kehDp_WM1IoRcRybfRlY5zqyHpGaLvvw6wrYMMWZ9KMJ0rwNrVgSurUhn773imU6vUsDzE2uOYlxV78VI Message-ID: <003001c850af$c2ac74c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:01:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e104e76-37a6-423f-9bbe-13623b533a5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47815015.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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KSM, who needs to order for the Bradford House. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings > Though the website doesn't show them, this guy sells wonderful, offwhite, > wool (merino?) socks. > > http://www.thebasketman.com/corp.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:35 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings > > I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, > where it usually is very cold for this season. > I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse > would > have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century > outfit? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:22:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MM0Uo026310 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:22:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06MLI96008599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:21:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06MKeom047398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MKdR9096582; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MKbZ7096522 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so12584594waf.3 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:20:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=49NmtSJeOQCDVDLHdz6qjTrFzfdwKAeWR+3EVG7FjUA=; b=vBP56RlymrY5yHBrYtf6Ei3CTo6E6EPSESqeGT14s+TYPPKIzO4kXaIrbIAcXQIKlhQZu1X8YTAhvR8aSKP1dfX3oIRTX6AFGUx3kXeGOQATbH4u5aiAZ4RmUg9L+YoMl2wLstZoSOuK4r4T13l6+HBffxR9RID+x/xHmTgF6ug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jfwJCil32PJtk/W9JHOg2rMZoC2avOvkwy/e27/OS0EUmhy342bvPRZzIgTWs5sM4eczuxVzB3lkJqPSH15SRRFunJEgX5sxHWojVwXPzlFN+TpYqh59RyEScak5HY5q6ewMIxVrdQzXYdAOge5wOJviXDshm1Bji/HFQN7UmL8= Received: by 10.143.173.2 with SMTP id a2mr1929720wfp.168.1199658034484; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:20:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:20:34 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5740c34-8bef-49c4-a2f2-a71d14216ff4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4781545E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:21:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn wrote: > For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing > run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what > size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to > assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. > > > Dawn > > > Aylwen Garden wrote: > > Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they > > put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort > > it out. Have you made this style? > > Thanks, Aylwen > > > > On 1/6/08, Susan Farmer wrote: > > > >> Quoting A Gardiner-Garden : > >> > >> > >>> I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing > >>> out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice > >>> shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to > me > >>> and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another > >>> pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will > >>> turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. > >>> Cheers and thanks, Aylwen > >>> > >> It's not attached. It's two separage garments. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:39:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06Md1q4026972 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:39:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06McODK016448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:38:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06MbuV1049165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MbtMS013761; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06MbpLW013691 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29419 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 14:37:50 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29230, pid: 29405, t: 8.6534s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 14:37:41 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:35:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49fa531b-da91-40fd-adf9-d8157ac94fdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47815860.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:38:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: >I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test >it out. >http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html >Regards, Aylwen > >On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn wrote: > > > For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing > > run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what > > size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to > > assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. > > > > > > Dawn The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:48:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MmZLU027258 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:48:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06MlxJu004522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:48:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06Mljvm050907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MlhdN021111; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [67.18.16.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06MleR4021079 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 15490 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 22:51:03 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 22:51:03 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44119) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBeHG-000104-8b; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:47:34 -0600 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:47:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20080106174734.e7sba0qvk84sck4k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:47:34 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 393fc0a0-4964-479a-a562-4c5bcdcf79bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47815A9F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:48:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Joan Jurancich : > The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern > pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own > measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was > not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. > Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted > by friends. > Based on personal experience, that doesn't always work. I learned to =20 sew at 11 or 12. I took Home Ec as a Freshman in High School (back in =20 the dim reaches of time when you could take Home Ec and learn to sew =20 .....). We sere supposed to make simple A-line dresses, but I got to =20 make one with a waist because I'd been sewing. I told her I wore a =20 10. (I'd been making 10s for several years after all). She took my =20 measurements, looked at the measurements on the envelope, measured the =20 pattern and said that I wore a 14. We discussed it, and she prevailed =20 (because she was the teacher and She Knew! There was enough room in that dress for me and her and half my class. :-( susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:55:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MtelC027571 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:55:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06Mt3vq016629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:55:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06Msc49051650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MscbA025979; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06MsZcV025852 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FF51153E5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:54:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47815C25.3060700@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:54:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb5db329-fe8b-493b-8166-8189069526fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47815C48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:55:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aylwen Garden wrote: > I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. > http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html > Regards, Aylwen Thanks. I now have a general idea where to start from. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:18:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NIceg028457 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:18:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06NI31u003756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:18:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06NHTa4054895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NHN38051174; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:17:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NHLs1051087 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so9875339pyc.4 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RmL//huG0oMazD3CfP/YC7BiuM/Z1sOjkI0oYZXnY7c=; b=wTiULJkJxpNAyrt7Lnl3zFMuKIDJiS0yM9fv0Tcl6dM2lXjyEa5TytZTyerMCbWh0RXqt2vcDkRKEgz7dfDRSY27FDsoISSOSn2ztMbiL8s/ZWn94dfbry2sDx0/KLL8MRsLAlg2OV8yruueAiT7pa/cpXLx7w37YcATqJLf8DE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YihJfG/+7tWsKZ+ZCPZ35p3yvpPAP6tqfdhSrdv2XKEIHFOQjMK8Y1ysUbOrUBu/7KURhEqhDoidcNxmO99OVLrn+ksfzbneK6g3wMC+9aYWU2TqDtdmCYp5BNq9AYjl/nMhMSqrjJ8HZuXw7xjUDWY0REWf+XJreMJkd4zP9Gg= Received: by 10.142.191.2 with SMTP id o2mr2207618wff.132.1199661437031; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:16 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3fe58d74-2229-47d4-831e-162fa9c09290 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478161AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:18:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Joan Can you remember if the patterns ran large or small? Thanks, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 9:35 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: > >I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to > test > >it out. > >http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html > >Regards, Aylwen > > > >On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn wrote: > > > > > For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing > > > run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what > > > size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to > > > assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. > > > > > > > > > Dawn > > The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern > pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own > measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was > not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan > gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have > mine drafted by friends. > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:22:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NMDJ2028609 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:22:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06NLbob027958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06NLH4V055309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NLHYZ055296; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NLFnP055256 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1371837ana.65 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:21:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=XNFCRInkeGGBLAMX7l1ZXnqP9Cxs3DldhMG69UJpWOg=; b=RaZKuCNDzyN5LTGzK2xwjD1YJB6fiQrQKNnliuIpzKj+5tbDFUyhdnMR0Qfzgeowez8SOcSdlkN6p0cybf1Ucm2ql0jFKmzXe7xx9E0VPN9nA93kVrtAL2phaeQXLi6qDyHcuwcispW1llEhilXAHtkNrGQay/EK2OhFaasqNms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=BqqPAjizNrq0vQCixVxslEohrZcyphfdGT0CWlcdrSg5V3KGWLUPwXGBTJ7WGnWOoDyMWgNPYAPqBGfkBU3yUTUoHU8d94LO9WIrIWlQ6zifDbt6/dBubEz6SrOKJz9/vf3mcLPI/cyGYOkolNQ5psUqpXWbbet0gpHrZt7pvLA= Received: by 10.100.239.11 with SMTP id m11mr41152414anh.70.1199661674959; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a45sm3639664rne.10.2008.01.06.15.21.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> <20080106174734.e7sba0qvk84sck4k@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20080106174734.e7sba0qvk84sck4k@www.goldsword.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:21:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchQtjfFtV6qZUj5REeCNeyHub/BRwAA+Pcg Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <4781626a.2d99260a.1076.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 930c6f6b-161d-4ae5-9b90-f875aff3dc07 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47816281.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:21:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And normally I would agree with you Susan but Joan is talking about physically measuring the pattern lines on the paper patterns, not reading and depending on what is on the back of the envelope. :) I used this pattern, #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns, quite a bit when I first joined and did the measuring of the lines then traced it out on separate paper, then re-measured myself and did additional alterations before cutting. And if I were a size 5 I would be using that pattern still. But I am not. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Quoting Joan Jurancich : > The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern > pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own > measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was > not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. > Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted > by friends. > Based on personal experience, that doesn't always work. I learned to sew at 11 or 12. I took Home Ec as a Freshman in High School (back in the dim reaches of time when you could take Home Ec and learn to sew .....). We sere supposed to make simple A-line dresses, but I got to make one with a waist because I'd been sewing. I told her I wore a 10. (I'd been making 10s for several years after all). She took my measurements, looked at the measurements on the envelope, measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. We discussed it, and she prevailed (because she was the teacher and She Knew! There was enough room in that dress for me and her and half my class. :-( susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:22:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NMEuR028612 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:22:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06NLbup032239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06NLIVN055316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NLICM055314; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06NLELj055148 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17154 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2008 23:21:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CDZi21kKkHQYVsobURplFBxGRepCdQV3oxK2pubECCcGGRRd/AhrHYCOgqhUsyIcma+31iVGf2OxgH88S8onUUpAQWZXran6/L35xJeVdAh251OLypmTpgzb5iZAXJr9hAvuXkbI4vuFVuRobDjYGo7POfDjqEfCbyBr4zRUGkE=; X-YMail-OSG: GK3gOdgVM1lI5rGXc4HW5UU8KNf5mk02DyIB2g9rvoakFG86n0sBnviwbgs2m4WUET23Z54hP6vOrwlMA8yNEm0PuJ39x9hkYrwF Received: from [208.54.95.95] by web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:21:08 PST Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0fa147c-8bb2-4316-bb27-b1869bcf884c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47816281.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:21:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am a friend of Corynne Weigle who designs these patterns. years ago I started making things from it..in fact i became my standard.A few things to remember when you fit this pattern..she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it..I believe she also mentions the difference between period fit and modernday fit. this pattern has no darts and does not require a corset however you do need to interline the bodice so that when you lace it up it will contain you properly ..I have also found that as a heavy chested person..I get a much better fit if I use only the back or side lacing models leaving the front structure in one piece for more support. Happy sewing..I have made this pattern in everything from linen for a summer festival...to heavy damask with enough pearls and couching on the sleeves to sink a battle ship and have loved every single one of them. Bambi Joan Jurancich wrote: At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: >I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test >it out. >http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html >Regards, Aylwen > >On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn wrote: > > > For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing > > run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what > > size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to > > assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. > > > > > > Dawn The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:40:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NeYQq029328 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:40:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06Ndw4i030751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:40:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06NdV4d056906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NdUZb069581; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:39:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [69.56.212.19] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06NdQD3069533 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 28010 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 23:42:36 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 23:42:36 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41374) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBf5K-00035A-Ft; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:39:18 -0600 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <20080106183918.9y6xmnumcgo880so@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:39:18 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> <20080106174734.e7sba0qvk84sck4k@www.goldsword.com> <4781626a.2d99260a.1076.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4781626a.2d99260a.1076.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef03c440-5d79-485c-a68b-64af84e6d83d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478166CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:40:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Chiara Francesca : > And normally I would agree with you Susan but Joan is talking about > physically measuring the pattern lines on the paper patterns, not reading > and depending on what is on the back of the envelope. :) I know. But she (the teacher) measured the pattern pieces too to =20 *prove* to me that I was wrong. Susan > > Based on personal experience, that doesn't always work. I learned to > sew at 11 or 12. I took Home Ec as a Freshman in High School (back in > the dim reaches of time when you could take Home Ec and learn to sew > .....). We sere supposed to make simple A-line dresses, but I got to > make one with a waist because I'd been sewing. I told her I wore a > 10. (I'd been making 10s for several years after all). She took my > measurements, looked at the measurements on the envelope, measured the > pattern and said that I wore a 14. We discussed it, and she prevailed > (because she was the teacher and She Knew! > > There was enough room in that dress for me and her and half my class. :-( > > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College > Division of Science and Math > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:49:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NnKnF029609 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:49:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m06NmU11020188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m06Nljnd058263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06Nlip9076304; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m06Nlew4076246 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200801062347.m06Nlew4076246@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 14809 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2008 15:47:42 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14473, pid: 14796, t: 7.2557s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 6 Jan 2008 15:47:35 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:45:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8A562704-91B9-440A-924D-BF225060BFD2@netspeed.com.au> <20080105112040.5uoo9xbqckg8ggoc@www.goldsword.com> <47814176.1000301@reddawn.net> <200801062237.m06MbpLW013691@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a774c2a-ec53-4672-8dc4-b6304f20e6c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478168CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm afraid not. It's been far too long. Sorry I can't be any more helpful. Joan At 03:17 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: >Hi Joan >Can you remember if the patterns ran large or small? >Thanks, Aylwen > >On Jan 7, 2008 9:35 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > > At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: > > >I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to > > test > > >it out. > > >http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html > > >Regards, Aylwen > > > > > >On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn wrote: > > > > > > > For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing > > > > run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what > > > > size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to > > > > assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern > > pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own > > measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was > > not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan > > gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have > > mine drafted by friends. > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:04:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0704e4s030126 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:04:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0704528008157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0703c1K060352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0703cEM087235; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0703WL9087137 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253FE1153DA for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:03:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:03:26 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c19d7007-9019-4f20-89a7-ba9f4167d909 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47816C75.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:04:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bambi TBNL wrote: > .she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it.. > This has always been a pet peeve of mine (nothing personal, Bambi). If I wanted to cut a sloper and fit it, I wouldn't have bought a pattern. Why put size markings on a pattern at all, if we're supposed to cut fabric and _then_ figure out how big to make it. The purpose of a pattern and of size markings is to give us a guideline of where to start, so we can cut with some reasonable expectation of what we're going to get. Then, from that we can make personal alterations to our individual pattern pieces. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:36:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070aj6l031358 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:36:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m070a6El001165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:36:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m070XaYZ063309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:33:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070XYv3007349; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070XWLK007281 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so12658157waf.3 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WikuoAQYUSVZ9iEmzi3GIW+vYytqcmGffrpI0fGFcvQ=; b=vXjAJ8lvnQSzRE0eBT1JCXHjtQlY+rNZJDj7hHwdbjz1FK43wyz9mDNCKf+w9ezTwv7F88lMs1Cclyf/KlVJJM6xuREvLPzHBbrRbhOtFr7a43MNzqM07CcuGOsUO242kKDfQzBTCA8vY5CNro4bE8wM9I7figlpORHbhmACMgM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VvTQvKQfc7PvoQ0H7vheKqAP59/gAvAeFdrGE/ilOEQ1lxTjsw9IuGKd95a95Ve4qmLZ3SY0FxPQJ4ypmtEUew5TrX7uCUalzo4V8UM1/aRUU266ESy2a/6iXWXj0Y8RDes7uDlPFBgrTO7SV4TshM4kjFinnGqiH4mO4LD4PqM= Received: by 10.143.36.15 with SMTP id o15mr4096562wfj.182.1199666009211; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:33:29 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: <47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de75d8b4-d840-4705-8db9-5953bf93c5e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478173F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:36:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Are there any modern patterns that can be recommended for Italian Renaissance, with a few minor tweaks? I am organising an Italian Renaissance Ball, and am advising others on what patterns to use. Not all are prepared to order patterns from overseas. I have this old copy of #41 and will be making version VI and the tabard. I have located an online chemise pattern but am still to find a suitable pattern for the under dress. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:50:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070onWe031874 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:50:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m070oDvR014090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:50:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m070nndE065180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:49:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070nmwp026111; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070njCx025999 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFB41153F5 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:49:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47817723.7090103@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:49:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns References: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38233816-d61b-4bde-b395-39a57c2675fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47817745.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:50:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aylwen Garden wrote: > Are there any modern patterns that can be recommended for Italian > Renaissance, with a few minor tweaks? > I am organising an Italian Renaissance Ball, and am advising others on what > patterns to use. Not all are prepared to order patterns from overseas. > I would suggest you look at Simplicity 3812 and 9531. Also McCall 5155. There's also a free online instruction set, at http://homepages.wmich.edu/~rowen/renbk/rendressbook.html > I have this old copy of #41 and will be making version VI and the tabard. I > have located an online chemise pattern but am still to find a suitable > pattern for the under dress. Use the bodice from View I of the PP#41 set, but cut the neckline so it will lay underneath your outer bodice. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:52:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070qcKn031947 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:52:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m070q1xw011421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:52:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m070pagc065380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070paGv027490; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m070pWwd027446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m070pT9h001272 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:51:32 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:51:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> References: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:51:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0744e430-7aa2-489c-9aed-53daa542cfdb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478177B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:52:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Bambi TBNL wrote: >> she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it.. >> >> > This has always been a pet peeve of mine (nothing personal, Bambi). If I > wanted to cut a sloper and fit it, I wouldn't have bought a pattern. Why > put size markings on a pattern at all, if we're supposed to cut fabric > and _then_ figure out how big to make it. > > The purpose of a pattern and of size markings is to give us a guideline > of where to start, so we can cut with some reasonable expectation of > what we're going to get. Then, from that we can make personal > alterations to our individual pattern pieces. > > Dawn That's also a different definition of a sloper than what I learned. A sloper is a fitted pattern that you can use to make/design your own patterns. It's 20th century as far as I know, relying on darts (which can be moved, changed to seams, yadda yadda). I don't think a sloper is useful for earlier historic clothing. If she says to make a muslin, that makes more sense and is in line with what most people do for historic or modern garments: once you choose a size for your measurements, you make it up out of muslin or some other cheap fabric to fine-tune the fit. You might just make the bodice and sleeves unless you also need to figure the bulk of a gathered or pleated skirt. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:02:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0722jVH002145 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:02:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07229sA010566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0721Ogp072278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0721LhD072513; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0721HXq072451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-119.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0721GRL025363 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:01:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200801062321.m06NLIjG055322@net.indra.com> References: <200801062321.m06NLIjG055322@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <03CEFFCF-2670-4FFD-B219-5CB127F5517F@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] PP #41 Italian Ren gowns Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:01:14 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5395/Sun Jan 6 17:42:23 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 396be535-2eb8-4c60-98a7-1fd22f508c1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47818821.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am only 5' 4" tall and I can usually lop off 5-6 inches of length from the skirt panels on these patterns (and save on the overall yardage, hooray!). So, for me, they run long. ;-) OTOH, I found that one of the back-closing bodices ran large while a front-closing one was decidedly tight -- which makes no sense at all! But I'm also flat-chested so that may skew the fit. These patterns are a pain to work with but the results are usually good. I always get compliments, even on the gown that's too big in the bust. (Thank goodness for voluminous Italian chemises!) I spend more time *preparing* to cut with these patterns... my solution for the confusing layout of the multi-size pieces is to carefully go over the lines of the one I want with an ultra-fine point Sharpie in a particular color, then trace those colored lines onto whatever tracing paper I have at hand (I prefer "Swedish tracing paper" but haven't seen it for sale recently, so have been using cheap interfacing) to make a permanent pattern of whichever view I want in whichever size I want. That way I always have the originals for comparison; by using different colors of markers on the originals I don't get confused over which pieces I've used before (or not). I also use the colored marker to label each traced piece as it's created. This is just for the bodice and sleeves -- sInce the skirt panels are fairly simple, I just fold those to fit and draw around them on the fabric with tailor's chalk; I don't bother making new skirt pieces each time. Did I mention that I'm an extremely visual learner? LOL, Suzanne > From: Dawn > Date: January 6, 2008 3:00:38 PM CST > ... > > For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing > run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out > what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I > hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:21:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072LUtJ002782 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:21:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m072KsgK006388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:20:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m072KLjZ074734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072KKbY084964; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NFtD1049473 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 38B963B151 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:14:01 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:14:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba4c46e8-5280-4b28-9bb5-c71eb0ed82e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47818C86.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:20:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ?maybe http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop/pages/socks_detail_ProductID_1061.php http://tinyurl.com/2ze78z http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop/pages/socks_detail_ProductID_573.php http://tinyurl.com/25kr2b Main company http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop/pages/socks_cat_CategoryID_83.php http://tinyurl.com/2zm6zy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Wicked Frau Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:58 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings Though the website doesn't show them, this guy sells wonderful, offwhite, wool (merino?) socks. http://www.thebasketman.com/corp.htm -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century outfit? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:21:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072LZGX002786 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:21:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m072Kx24019167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:21:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m072KhEm074805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072KgfE085203; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m06NaA1G066951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m06Na6jx021271 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:36:09 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:36:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55968.72.13.239.193.1199662569.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <003001c850af$c2ac74c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <003001c850af$c2ac74c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:36:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85d4c7fd-7aa3-4b89-9d8d-c073b51d9f96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47818C8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:21:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I didn't see anything about stockings on the site, but some of the images show people in horizontal striped stockings. Before buying those, be sure they are appropriate for your time period. I haven't seen evidence of their use in the 18thC, but they do become fashionable by the mid-19th century. -Carol > A great site! However, all sox are 100% cotton as stated at the beginning > of the page. And what a selection! > > KSM, who needs to order for the Bradford House. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wicked Frau" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:58 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings > > >> Though the website doesn't show them, this guy sells wonderful, >> offwhite, wool (merino?) socks. >> >> http://www.thebasketman.com/corp.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:48:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072mwhw003611 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:48:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m072mMp1029094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:48:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m072lMnh077436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072lK8g002632; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m072lFpi002524 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.119]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:47:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:47:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:47:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com In-Reply-To: <55968.72.13.239.193.1199662569.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:47:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 02:47:10.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[9993F360:01C850D7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 856cb292-c2dd-4469-af33-6e365dd34d77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478192F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:48:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As I said, you will probably need to contact him. He does sell striped cotton socks, but I have also purchased offwhite, wool, over the knee socks from him at Estrella Wars.... Sg >From: aquazoo@patriot.net >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings >Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:36:09 -0500 (EST) > > > I didn't see anything about stockings on the site, but some of the >images show people in horizontal striped stockings. Before buying >those, be sure they are appropriate for your time period. I haven't >seen evidence of their use in the 18thC, but they do become >fashionable by the mid-19th century. > > -Carol > > > > A great site! However, all sox are 100% cotton as stated at the >beginning > > of the page. And what a selection! > > > > KSM, who needs to order for the Bradford House. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wicked Frau" > > To: "'Historical Costume'" > > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:58 PM > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings > > > > > >> Though the website doesn't show them, this guy sells wonderful, > >> offwhite, wool (merino?) socks. > >> > >> http://www.thebasketman.com/corp.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 02:03:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0773d66012216 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:03:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0772xMI001250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:03:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0772CCR001597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07728rx052614; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07723I0052545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-251-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.251]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m0771x57005329 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:02:01 +1100 Message-ID: <002d01c850fb$32915da0$fbd6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <853874.17098.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com><47816C4E.1030704@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:01:57 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5406/Mon Jan 7 17:40:59 2008 on mail9.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 455483d9-ad04-4ddf-a349-818efb450b5b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4781CEA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:03:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns > Are there any modern patterns that can be recommended for Italian > Renaissance, with a few minor tweaks? > I am organising an Italian Renaissance Ball, and am advising others on > what > patterns to use. Not all are prepared to order patterns from overseas. > I have this old copy of #41 and will be making version VI and the tabard. > I > have located an online chemise pattern but am still to find a suitable > pattern for the under dress. > > Many thanks, Aylwen Aylwen, I've used Simplicity 3812 http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=3812 back when it was #5294 to make my red satin dress (the one that is now Regency, you can see how it originally looked here http://www.gbacg.org/GreatPatternReview/Simplicity.htm) and my red linen Italian Ren dress which you've probably seen a couple of times. I wrote a webpage on this pattern http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/Ever_After/fixingEA.htm including how to remove the darts, let me know if that is at all confusing. McCalls 5444 http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M5444.htm?tab=costumes&page=2 appears to be much the same, it lacks the disadvantage of the curve up between the breasts, but has extra darts to remove from the back, (it also doesn't have the V neckline of the Simplicity pattern, but as the Simplicity V neckline is also off the shoulder (which is not good for dancing) I think if you wanted the overdress it would be easier to just draw a straight line from centre front to shoulder instead of the more square neckline. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 04:12:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m079CHS5010279 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 04:12:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m079Bfsh028158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 04:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m079B2vu012441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m079B0ur036425; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m079Atm5036391 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.59780947; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:10:32 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m0798Q100308.; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:08:26 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:08:26 +0000 Message-Id: <4781EC0002000014000E0538@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:08:16 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200801051355.m05DsrXX036736@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200801051355.m05DsrXX036736@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery in convalescence. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fe6f6bd-d9af-4a4b-87e4-de3fa02d2bb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4781ECCD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:11:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Congratulations on your recovery, Barbara - hope you continue to do well. Sharon wrote: >I hope you have a speedy and complete recovery! Handwork is perfect for >recovery. My mom embroidered a whole tablecloth while recovering from >surgery and every time we used it, she'd tell us the story. :-)=20 My late father had a spell in military hospital during WWII (he wasn't = wounded, he had to have a dental operation). The Red Cross supplied him = with a kit for embroidering a tablecloth with a garden scene in each = corner. He only had time to complete one motif, so my granny (then his = future mother-in-law) finished the cloth for him, and I still have it. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 07:15:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07CFOt2006685 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:15:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07CEliQ030860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:14:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07CDNOn030942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07CDKJ3052648; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:13:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07CDHkM052524 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1614.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.81]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26D5428AF5 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:13:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:21:18 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e708fce1-88d1-4067-beb4-628f2d78f97a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478217B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:28:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07DSQ8r009167 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:28:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07DRih7006354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:27:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07DQxbY044713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07DQwvC013573; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m07DQshn013358 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 21285 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 13:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.249.244 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 13:26:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sIVx1ogVM1mBulFDpbHK7stDReyQwLLncmOIqW11IbM4ezSUav8E56NYlub0iKJ4ZeoC43PsChQJXj0IvzCePozXl83oRJNXSUjFDDT6NeC4yRJ.5XZ2 Message-ID: <000401c85130$f519d4d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:26:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a1e42b8-8286-46eb-b9ff-7c4a22f5f41a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478228D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:27:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Deredere, what period of bustle do you have in mind? Sheer cotton dresses for the late 19th dresses with bustle would be rather unusual. Satin, faille, medium weight cotton (think eyelet), or light weght wool or other linen are more the fabrics found in historical costumes of the period. You might check Fran's voloumes on the Gilded Age for a referance. In addition to patterns, you will find a wealth of historical comment dealing with color and construction. Depending on the size of your doll, you might be able to use many of the patterns without enlargement. Queen Maude, (my latest passion) is 16/17" tall and I am having great success in using Fran's patterns. Good luck and happy seaming Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet > Hi, > > It as been so long since I was able to make a historic costume. > Not much time anymore so now I make them in smaller size :-) . > > It is for a doll that hopefully will arrive soon from Korea. > > I am making her a beautiful sheer cotton bustle dress. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html > > I was wondering what would be worn wit it? > A nice bonnet or a hat? > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:51:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Dp2Nq009828 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:51:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07DoQrX022482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07DK9qN041042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:20:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07DK695005291; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:20:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07DK4mx005266 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:20:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so10129599pyc.4 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:20:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tJiLHMuhB4wClrUS1URN8xcrtw8dkobc2+3TOXowTUE=; b=eXlljUp0lO7hWdL4GE61JcoUg6af0PFfmNerRC7T6sAoqMxmrCdYZuwmxn3bLJL0N1FzLmaHIhzkqKQM60xPX5VSPnJuN2Kxr5b7/Ng2uVqbN/uU+FuwsoGLLI23WcPt/oL6OR40yvELW1LygVic+IvnD9o17uobVC2d8xePZbs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FbZge5lk/RH9CSwX5pIUXH/w1/KgwlY+mAN3MiZuJfHeTi5NuHCvIUAFXi6hBhZcLLKMa8b0VGUnO1l0vKcha8IkRSvO0R7HaTkykctXB10DML6Rlo2xUi7k/SdLX6BrOVjiqAoZzSG1w2R7aRyDScWfGHet1Iv5WkC4jkNjngo= Received: by 10.64.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr42225343qba.40.1199712003802; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.75.15 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:20:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070801070520v48f0d4ai290865ab2d2583b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:20:03 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Shrunken wool In-Reply-To: <200801061547.m06Fl4eL074984@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002201c84eaa$45828e50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <200801061547.m06Fl4eL074984@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a568c46b-ec19-4e61-9a59-e7aaa785e5f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47822E22.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:50:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've been told, but haven't ever gotten around to trying it, that if you wash the wool in hair shampoo and rinse in conditioner that you can unshrink it. Katy On Jan 6, 2008 10:44 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 12:17 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote: > >I accidentally washed a wool sweater and it shrank. Is there any cure to > >stretch it out again? > >Sharon > > Unfortunately, no. You now have a piece of knitted felt. :-( > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 09:46:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Ekms7011498 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:46:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07EkC12022577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:46:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07EeEId078486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Ee7U8012238; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m07Ee209012088 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25410 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2008 14:39:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cG0lvqZV0UKN/BSLchJISqnuCGz9nuA56BD/5FYIX46MBk2rSJXu5itQ/JYqFB7JtqTPZpNxg9C1ou0fh54Y7g91qw/rWu+hrsxUXVmbFUOmw80dB9fH/7nJ0JoqvB0t8wlszXFD/JySg4pTKsJ+p1r5MfS1ZnIttKBnlOmRMk0=; X-YMail-OSG: CowlYQcVM1n9Ey.Zy_j9mn70a6SW3W3TpDugD_txB7Tbnna.NBGFK_jhe1yjTiSG_DCOrzPItzjnfStuNSXwxt8b2GQmC80TZs_n5L5RgWmBI6ItLg7InwEA5PHKZ.wrcUxAJcbUP.M_idc- Received: from [63.78.234.233] by web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:39:56 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200801061900.m06J08mS032482@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16537.24943.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pourpoint pattern construction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f947cc36-8ebd-48b5-be70-a7dcc13b4434 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47823B34.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:46:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Zuzana, I've made a pourpoint for my husband based on the Charles de Blois model. It has been used successfully in SCA combat for a number of years. I've made several forms of fabric armor over the years and have usually added two inches all around to the pattern, flat quilted all the layers, and then fit it back on the person. Even for the more fitted Charles de Blois poupoint this seemed to work. On thing that helped in making the pattern or block was to use very heavy fabric. I used some thick flannel. It helped to know where wrinkles would occur as I could put less batting there. BTW even if you make the rest the garment not particularly tight it really helps to still make it fitted through the hips. It looks better and works better with armor but also allows the shoulders to do what they were designed to do - be very flexible. I'm going to need to make another one of these soon. The fabric I chose has not worn well. A friend is making a pourpoint by stuffing carded wool into tubes sewn into the fabric. The thing stands on it's own. I can't wait to see how this will work for him. On the other hand the 3-D soft sculpture upholstery method sound facinating too. Cheers, Mary > I'm going to make a pourpoint inspired by the > Charles de Blois pourpoint, fitted, but not as much > as the extant garment, and of a slightly thicker > material and padding. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:58:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07GwVF6015489 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:58:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07Gvp84006504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:57:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07Gv8Wd042713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07GuiZh007396; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07GuOml006564 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:56:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 138786291-1872270 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:56:14 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: RE: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:56:11 -0600 Message-ID: <014c01c8514e$3569bc40$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> Thread-Index: AchRJ96VcscBvORYSqqNZr+N9uLv+gAJi1xQ X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 26, in=33, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5c647b6-85c0-45cd-91f8-c8e02014c749 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47825A0F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:57:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Deredere: I would suggest a fairly plain straw hat with a ribbon , either a boater, or a wider brin, perhaps tied under the chin. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet Hi, It as been so long since I was able to make a historic costume. Not much time anymore so now I make them in smaller size :-) . It is for a doll that hopefully will arrive soon from Korea. I am making her a beautiful sheer cotton bustle dress. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html I was wondering what would be worn wit it? A nice bonnet or a hat? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 12:41:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Hfu5T017008 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:41:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07HfGZj020237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:41:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07He6Hs063157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07HddSk075025; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m07HXZqR065060 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24663 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2008 17:33:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VdmudLHGXbdjrIYAka87Ck7Ol2vvL4kdbgl4C6S8u4lufNaqlfnBg7N0wFmHLzuYGC/QfuEblaeN92d7kQTrhHr6rlnuRRsCo54bX+NOjDjiJ9trfdj6mS3Ayp+v3ERWnd7FAwNzZ4zSwqgkcHS3/hNsQpq3rMl2vZFs7/oIg1c=; X-YMail-OSG: 3OJ1JM8VM1mrdJBz4SZFgl5ZQBvzlt2ahIRaXV09GSwybIq1WYXt56EZMq.JPtnZiGnLoGNwMsJuKgmWivq2EPB4X5c_DBkwo9M- Received: from [208.54.95.227] by web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:33:28 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <119949.23883.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b16b710a-6133-48f6-aaed-9799618b0273 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4782643C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:41:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I stand corrected... a muslin is just what she says...I looked back to confirm.. Bambi aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Bambi TBNL wrote: >> she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it.. >> >> > This has always been a pet peeve of mine (nothing personal, Bambi). If I > wanted to cut a sloper and fit it, I wouldn't have bought a pattern. Why > put size markings on a pattern at all, if we're supposed to cut fabric > and _then_ figure out how big to make it. > > The purpose of a pattern and of size markings is to give us a guideline > of where to start, so we can cut with some reasonable expectation of > what we're going to get. Then, from that we can make personal > alterations to our individual pattern pieces. > > Dawn That's also a different definition of a sloper than what I learned. A sloper is a fitted pattern that you can use to make/design your own patterns. It's 20th century as far as I know, relying on darts (which can be moved, changed to seams, yadda yadda). I don't think a sloper is useful for earlier historic clothing. If she says to make a muslin, that makes more sense and is in line with what most people do for historic or modern garments: once you choose a size for your measurements, you make it up out of muslin or some other cheap fabric to fine-tune the fit. You might just make the bodice and sleeves unless you also need to figure the bulk of a gathered or pleated skirt. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:26:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07IQfdL018526 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:26:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07IQ21p016500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:26:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07IJb7L083604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07IIuhP037947; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m07IIDC2036979 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98200 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2008 18:18:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HJY+c2iFYoBOfWLc99fYvnDliBu5cYYjP9zcQM+9IyK/YsDXJmLs5iMoewYhW2dr6qh+DC/3w9BY6UU5Hj1EtHGBKJ4TJ68Uzvv0df2X/O88IvWv1MC79hxu0JicIBg51rlj9AkDh8tXlKj850mXm4D0yWae7tn6RcV5zzWEIig=; X-YMail-OSG: TdRZEsEVM1n5Is.z9zf9cmID1wzfSlvk9GmOw1DNmozlXuUQt7_WUQrRFcqhHL6ajWFaTIE_8QCV3AYaz0xi2R4JEj_mpKYociR7YobiHMzPLx53_xalpQUzivGyXQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:18:07 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] pourpoint pattern construction To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <16537.24943.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <92528.97786.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ef5bf65-61b5-4727-92fc-3f3dc0c9f00a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47826EBA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Thanks for both the replies, it was a definite help, I'll try to do the fitting and basting on the body and when it won't help, I'll use the 2 inches rule:-)) When talking about it, the Charles de Blois garment has many pattern pieces, which of them would you sew together BEFORE fitting and quilting and which AFTER? The padded fabric will make bulky seams, so the more of them I'll avoid, the better. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 15:21:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KLVBq023933 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:21:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07KKs5H004198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07KKAA5045471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KJwxS024280; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from courageux.concentric.com (courageux.concentric.com [207.155.248.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KJnUl024067 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by courageux.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 82192226B; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.157) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: Julie To: , Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200801071901.m07J0HfB004949@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080107201948.82192226B@courageux.concentric.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Comments on The Tudors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8b43089-544e-4486-82cc-a8dcae73dfa3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478289A6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I rented the disks from Blockbuster this weekend and had a couple of questi= ons/comments. There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed thousands= during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of buboes like for p= lague or marks like smallpox. Did this really happen or was it just part o= f their story? It was very contagious and people were told to burn all clo= thing & bedding. I believe consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other = old disease names with modern equivalents I should know? I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came out What I fou= nd most jarring was anything from the neck up. The hairstyles were extreme= ly modern. Long hair was down & exposed. Crowns & headgear, at least on th= e women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. Julie in Ramona _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 15:21:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KLYUm023942 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:21:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07KKtRO006007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07KKATU045470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KJx9r024311; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from courageux.concentric.com (courageux.concentric.com [207.155.248.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KJnB4024065 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by courageux.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 82192226B; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.157) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: Julie To: , Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200801071901.m07J0HfB004949@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080107201948.82192226B@courageux.concentric.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Comments on The Tudors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 856acdf0-8a43-4604-8367-cbe2c3d46992 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478289A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:21:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca I rented the disks from Blockbuster this weekend and had a couple of questi= ons/comments. There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed thousands= during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of buboes like for p= lague or marks like smallpox. Did this really happen or was it just part o= f their story? It was very contagious and people were told to burn all clo= thing & bedding. I believe consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other = old disease names with modern equivalents I should know? I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came out What I fou= nd most jarring was anything from the neck up. The hairstyles were extreme= ly modern. Long hair was down & exposed. Crowns & headgear, at least on th= e women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. Julie in Ramona _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 15:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KfYAg024583 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:41:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07Kewgx020704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:41:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07KeEtX055692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07KeB7f053357; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m07Ke8JG053252 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:40:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200801072040.m07Ke8JG053252@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17616 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 12:40:07 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17379, pid: 17581, t: 5.9256s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 12:40:01 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:37:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Comments on The Tudors In-Reply-To: <20080107201948.82192226B@courageux.concentric.com> References: <200801071901.m07J0HfB004949@net.indra.com> <20080107201948.82192226B@courageux.concentric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 516f25b1-0658-456d-b957-09d935148f82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47828E5A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:41:03 -0500 (EST) At 12:19 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: >I rented the disks from Blockbuster this weekend and had a couple of >questions/comments. > >There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed >thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of >buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really >happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious >and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe >consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names >with modern equivalents I should know? > >I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came >out What I found most jarring was anything from the neck up. The >hairstyles were extremely modern. Long hair was down & exposed. >Crowns & headgear, at least on the women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. > >Julie in Ramona The "sweating sickness" is one of those medical mysteries that we may never be able to answer. It was evidently a real sickness (there are many references in contemporary letters and documents), but what caused it is unknown. It was evidently not plague or smallpox, both of which have readily recognizable symptoms; it was not tuberculosis, which does not kill in a few hours or days. From the descriptions, it sounds, to me, like it could have been a particularly virulent form of influenza or even malaria. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:11:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07LB9XS025865 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:11:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07LAXPQ015480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07LA1Xm070600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07L9t6O097904; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp6.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07L9n82097710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m07KYYj7015226 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:09:46 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:09:43 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:09:32 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 01/07/2008 01:11:50 PM, Serialize complete at 01/07/2008 01:11:50 PM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-01-07 - 13:09:48 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9834720-ab64-4b6e-9558-7167cbedbd7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47829549.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:10:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca > It as been so long since I was able to make a historic costume. > Not much time anymore so now I make them in smaller size :-) . > > It is for a doll that hopefully will arrive soon from Korea. > > I am making her a beautiful sheer cotton bustle dress. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html > > I was wondering what would be worn wit it? > A nice bonnet or a hat? I love your inspiration gown!! I think a small tilted-forward hat would be much more likely then a bonnet. You can take a look at some period pictures here: http://www.demodecouture.com/hair/hair_early.html to get an idea of the shape. I've just gotten Lynn McMaster's pattern for a full sized version of the kind of hat I'd recommend, but since I haven't tried it yet, I can't comment on the pattern itself. (http://lynnmcmasters.com/ - click on the New Patterns Link, the pattern I'm talking about is in the third row down on the left.) Good Luck! - sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:51:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07LpYeE027395 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:51:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07Lot1n007013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:51:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07LoBW7089605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Ll5uj053945; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:47:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m07LkDaK052418 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD2FHLVAJ9KBZS for (sender ); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:44:51 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgpGqPg2rA3Dk8gLPJwBtKMA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M8VSF9M3; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:44:44 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:44:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Comments on The Tudors Message-ID: <20080107.134414.3632.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1803852759 X-MAIL-INFO: 23ed6d34a1d59d09090dd49590cd0de509ade565e9a500 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6a1bc20-d36b-4de5-a73a-73c423145a5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47829EBF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:51:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Yes, the "sweat" really happened. Try googling "sweating sickness" for more info. Arlys On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:37:33 -0800 Joan Jurancich writes: > At 12:19 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: > >I rented the disks from Blockbuster this weekend and had a couple > of > >questions/comments. > > > >There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed > >thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of > >buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really > >happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious > >and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe > >consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names > >with modern equivalents I should know? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 17:09:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07M93VV027962 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:09:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07M8LLF028233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07M5hdv098617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:07:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Lv2K3069678; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07Lp0I9059514 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1614.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.81]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157E43426D7 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:50:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4782A099.6060400@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:58:49 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d8e134d-c5b7-4f0b-9b3f-78df286a3beb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4782A2D5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:08:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Thank you for the links! The page from Demode is also an inspiration for her wig :-) . I love that gown too and I hope one day I will make it for myself. It shouldn't be too hard to make such a little hat. I made the white hat in the pictures with the blue dress. It is an embroidery pattern that embroiders a circle. If I would make a smaller one it will be perfect for the base. The water soluble film that stiffens the embroidery like buckram when dipped in water and than dried. Greetings, Deredere >> http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html >> >> > I love your inspiration gown!! I think a small tilted-forward hat would be > much more likely then a bonnet. You can take a look at some period > pictures here: http://www.demodecouture.com/hair/hair_early.html to get an > idea of the shape. I've just gotten Lynn McMaster's pattern for a full > sized version of the kind of hat I'd recommend, but since I haven't tried > it yet, I can't comment on the pattern itself. (http://lynnmcmasters.com/ > - click on the New Patterns Link, the pattern I'm talking about is in the > third row down on the left.) > > Good Luck! > - sunny > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 17:47:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07MlS1O029243 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:47:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m07MkkeW004763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:46:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m07MkBmR017316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07MjwQe040774; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:45:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m07MjrRI040585 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 17D7E4C450 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:21:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A722F4C43D for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:21:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274CC1800C0 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:45:51 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:45:50 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c85130$f519d4d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet Thread-Index: AchRMPyPYPx1tM20TliKQASs/EUe5wAS0T9Q References: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> <000401c85130$f519d4d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 852a4aaa-03bf-4a54-932e-67365af9bc67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4782ABD7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:46:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca =20 On the contrary, many white dresses in sheer fabrics(although layered so the effect was opaque)were worn in the summer months were worn by the fashionable during the bustle period, see Harper's Bazar(yes, that's the spelling) on microfilm in many larger public libraries. There are lots of fashion plates and written guidelines for proper mourning wear and its duration for widows down to what we would consider rather distant relatives, for the rich and fashionable to follow. Few gowns survive because of wear and tear, discoloration, staining and greying, and when such gowns did survive the summer season, parts could be recycled into another garment, children's clothing or even handkerchiefs. Dyeing and redyeing of clothing was also common to extend a garment's life and then mourning would require dyeing everthing but underpinnings to black or at least lilac and gray for half-mourning. Depending on the style, bustles could be fairly lightweight to weighing a few pounds. A fashionable woman could have several pounds of clothing from underpinnings to outergarments in one ensemble to support--definitely eliminating the need for portable weight equipment carry around! I too, recommend Fran Grimbel's two books on Gilded Age fashions. I would love a BJD, but the cost is prohibitive to my budget right now. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:23:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m080NHeG032277 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:23:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m080McjZ012022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m080LnMf057865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m080Lijm068335; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m080LgPf068273 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1895767nzh.26 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:21:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=QD9BXUG4r6tu38yX3jTySh9wXc2qWXnqn2CQd8Xt/+8=; b=UH+fYRrC/C+ExqTAqNV5xml/PHosmIyQaexqE59ptyX6H6+hd7Bo33hl6lUJVDCQNQa2SUa40k7VGUVgMBp9y+Nif6TSFfAdRdf0Lv82sT8lZHH1PsMPHK/J8b/TVj3zlvaXPKlyOiSu9EazHmfHg/3doNap0qoU5vCg4RrGPHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JoPUGLoI38ZfR9f4KnctPdzH90H4rg7kCX9BA5e+jsyQMZgKdkx+Ju5wY/wYOmPGQS3LfU5s8OP0ZkgWXIVhntrZ+lwlNJ7jCBoegRkrLD2J3meF2UelOM6M/mIqWcc0n2SZe/C5le8FVDb5ZSPx7u3RkOmsQWbRLUNwasrQVes= Received: by 10.142.239.11 with SMTP id m11mr9899wfh.165.1199751701634; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.240.4 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:21:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:21:41 -0500 From: "J A Urbik" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38539f82-713f-4565-ac78-2e5a9840cd0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4782C24E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Ok, here is the story. I offered to make the christening gown for a friend who just had a kid. His wife said no-no, we have a family gown! I said ok, less work for me, thats nice. The christening is on the 20th of this month, and just today they pulled out the family gown and instantly called me to ask "how do we get the yellow out of the fabric?" It is, they believe, made out of fine cotton batiste, with lace and such. no idea what the lace is made of, I have never seen the dress, as it has just been pulled out of storage. So, ideas for me to tell them about how to get the fabric back to white, does anybody have ideas for me to tell them? I told them that I don't think there is much you can do, but i do remember this list having threads on this topic, i just am not finding them right away. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:59:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m080xKmb001168 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:59:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m080wisd002989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:58:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m080wAEP072315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:58:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m080w9CX010390; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m080w6QT010222 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cfa.2654be9f (14457) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:57:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 818ab2c8-5cdf-4973-9225-b4b5bce3ab84 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4782CAC4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:58:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/7/2008 7:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaurbik@gmail.com writes: So, ideas for me to tell them about how to get the fabric back to white, does anybody have ideas for me to tell them? I told them that I don't think there is much you can do, but i do remember this list having threads on this topic, i just am not finding them right away. Sometimes the color change is permanent, as it is caused by an actual chemical change in the fibers. However, soaking in an oxygen bleach solution might help. Ann Wass **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 20:09:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0819nWn001594 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:09:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m08197Vb028418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:09:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0818kBr077625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0818jTZ023478; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0818fN6023357 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bfc.29172875 (42809) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:08:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:08:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4d3a2d2-6b47-4279-bfc8-ca67a1f4deb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4782CD33.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:09:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/7/2008 12:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: > I am making her a beautiful sheer cotton bustle dress. > ***************** Mmmmmmmm...lov-er-ly! A straw would be perfect, like Kim suggests. I think a boater is too masculine for the frilly frock. They do wear straws similar in proportions to a boater but usually tilted forward with the brim bending down on each side...sorta like a Pringel potato chip... and decorated with flowers and bows and such. A ribbon can tie under the chin or behind at the nap of the neck, under a mass of hair. I have seen some women in wide brimmed hats in the 1880's in research I did for a western. They seemed to be worn either straight on and perfectly horizontal, or even on the back of the head, a style often exaggerated for can-can dancers. These seemed to lack a lot of fru-fru....not even a ribbon tied under the chin or anywhere. But sometimes an enormous hat pin or two were visible. ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 20:12:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081CaSs001656 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:12:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m081BwbD032084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:12:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m081BhDh078832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081Bgvi026908; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081BcaO026862 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m081Bc4s005266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:11:38 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m081BcZK020676 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:11:38 -0600 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:11:38 -0600 Message-ID: <20080107191138.bipi9kk6o8oog044@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:11:38 -0600 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dcac802d-4302-4a0b-ace4-bf11ae97a6b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4782CDDE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:12:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca On a related note: What do I do about white fur that has yellowed? Bleaches are somewhat safe to use on celulosic fibers (cotton, linen), but bleach dissolves protein fibers (silk, wool). Furthermore, furs are difficult to clean, because immersion can be a very bad idea. But there's a couple hundred dollars' of ermine in the collar I made two years ago, and it has turned a rather unattractive shade of yellow. What on earth do I do? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 20:40:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081ejaa002309 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m081e3g7026859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m081dSiJ087548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081dQFR054548; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081dMHj054401 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aN7R1Y00H16LCl0050Pd00; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:39:16 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.3] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRf51Y00600zNUK3S00000; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:39:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=S2Qz62Ti7zAA:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=Vm9xYjfSNWkJvkvfupIA:9 a=XAbf7RxHqN3h4stQ0G8A:7 a=TgWsCyqFPVWh3EBjPj8CaYnYc1QA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20080107191138.bipi9kk6o8oog044@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> References: <20080107191138.bipi9kk6o8oog044@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <358dbd2590004ae0c088b99990ef66ad@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 422d49bf-d817-4c71-88f0-317416eafc96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4782D474.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:40:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I wonder if you could use whitening products that are made for protein fibers. I forget the names as I havent used them for awhile. Dharma Trading or Pro Chem can tell you. Sylrog On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:11 PM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > On a related note: What do I do about white fur that has yellowed? > > Bleaches are somewhat safe to use on celulosic fibers (cotton, linen), > but bleach dissolves protein fibers (silk, wool). Furthermore, furs > are difficult to clean, because immersion can be a very bad idea. But > there's a couple hundred dollars' of ermine in the collar I made two > years ago, and it has turned a rather unattractive shade of yellow. > > What on earth do I do? > > Emma > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 7 20:46:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081kJeh002444 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:46:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m081jeTl013068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:45:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m081ePvl088053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081eNvK055821; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m081eJim055582 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aBVQ1Y00216LCl0051YY00; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:40:13 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.3] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRf51Y00600zNUK3S00100; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:40:02 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=S2Qz62Ti7zAA:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=cQR1KNvcj3zsQchYZFIA:9 a=4J-axDh818SSfGJjl1IA:7 a=vCedjOwcsz00a2yj1W-IV8yEcoMA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1982a2b3201aae4d178b73ab8231d43a@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:40:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0632d46b-77c4-4c44-b6ce-5f9b6a76b5a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4782D5C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:45:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I've heard lemon juice works. Sylrog \ On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:21 PM, J A Urbik wrote: > Ok, here is the story. I offered to make the christening gown for a > friend > who just had a kid. His wife said no-no, we have a family gown! I > said ok, > less work for me, thats nice. The christening is on the 20th of this > month, > and just today they pulled out the family gown and instantly called me > to > ask "how do we get the yellow out of the fabric?" It is, they > believe, made > out of fine cotton batiste, with lace and such. no idea what the lace > is > made of, I have never seen the dress, as it has just been pulled out of > storage. > > So, ideas for me to tell them about how to get the fabric back to > white, > does anybody have ideas for me to tell them? I told them that I don't > think > there is much you can do, but i do remember this list having threads > on this > topic, i just am not finding them right away. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 8 16:46:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08Lkwhp032386 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:46:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m08LkKVU017619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m08LhChp080684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08LgNW0083094; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp12.kp.org [162.119.242.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08LgDiZ082870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m08IQLfW003720 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:42:12 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:42:07 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:42:03 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 01/08/2008 01:44:15 PM, Serialize complete at 01/08/2008 01:44:15 PM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-01-08 - 13:42:13 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f4a4944-3937-4dc6-b268-45d0f2147eab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4783EF2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:46:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca > So, ideas for me to tell them about how to get the fabric back to white, > does anybody have ideas for me to tell them? We had this problem with thrift store finds in some of the theatres I worked in; I had good luck with soaking a fragile child's dress in woolite overnight, and then carefully rinsing it out. The good part about woolite is it's gentle so it's unlikely to damage the lace and other trimmings. The bad thing is it may not be strong enough :-S Good luck! -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. 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Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Sweating sickness X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 047e0891-2819-432a-a16e-2c6bc23a6338 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4783EF95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:48:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I've been watching too and was surprised to find that the sweating sickness outbreak was one of the things they got right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweating_sickness Also I have access to PubMed through work and several articles there suggest it was a type of hantavirus passed by rodents. Allison T. On Jan 8, 2008 3:18 PM, wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Julie > Subject: [h-cost] Comments on The Tudors > To: , > Message-ID: <20080107201948.82192226B@courageux.concentric.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I rented the disks from Blockbuster this weekend and had a couple of questions/comments. > > There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names with modern equivalents I should know? > > I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came out What I found most jarring was anything from the neck up. The hairstyles were extremely modern. Long hair was down & exposed. Crowns & headgear, at least on the women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. > > Julie in Ramona _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 8 17:46:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08Mkb7A002654 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:46:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m08MjxP1023197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:46:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m08MjGgC088554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08Mj5Db050519; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:45:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08Mj0RT050433 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 4BBB52E81C8 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:29:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8C22D2E80D1; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:29:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7020418008D; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:44:59 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Sweating sickness Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:44:56 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190801081347n564107cbi7eabe5976f817d73@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Sweating sickness Thread-Index: AchSQBXIcKk4l5paR6KI6qoJGEGI1wABSwYA References: <7d21ac190801081347n564107cbi7eabe5976f817d73@mail.gmail.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: AnneBoleyn_Regina@yahoogroups.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3042773e-369e-426a-8763-3b963f0888ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4783FD27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:46:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca It could be that. I work in a health sciences library. But the first reported cases, known as the "New Acquintance" seems to have sprung up in England, shortly after Henry VII won the battle of Redmore Plain, known later as Bosworth Field. Historians assume that some of the foreign troops on Henry Tudor's side "imported" a new virus or a new strain of virus most Englishmen and women had no resistance to. It is possible that it was also an especially fast-moving and often lethal influenza virus. If ever DNA testing is possible on the remains of someone who is known to have died of it, it might be possible to id what the sweating sickness was. I know that not too long ago, it was discovered that many people today of European descent actually show biological markers that prove their ancestors were survivors of the Black Death. It would be interesting to find out how many also survived the sweating sickness. It seems that Henry VIII was correct in reassuring Anne Boleyn that few women fell victim to it and more women survived it than men. Were most women exposed to something that men were not, or had antibodies that men didn't? Henry VIII had an extreme fear of illness that is actually understandable in view that for most of his reign, he had no legitimate male heir. Also the precautions Henry VII took to guard his second son from illness, not only speaks of ultraprotection of his sole male heir, but I think, may also have stemmed from the sudden death of Prince Arthur. Historian David Starkey points out in "Six Wives: The Queens of Henry VIII" that there was no contemporary proof that Prince Arthur was sickly or a weakling prior to his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. All the existing evidence points to Arthur's final illness and death to have been rather sudden and unexpected. Cindy Abel Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A. Thurman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:47 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Sweating sickness I've been watching too and was surprised to find that the sweating sickness outbreak was one of the things they got right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweating_sickness Also I have access to PubMed through work and several articles there suggest it was a type of hantavirus passed by rodents. Allison T. On Jan 8, 2008 3:18 PM, wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Julie > Subject: [h-cost] Comments on The Tudors > To: , > Message-ID: <20080107201948.82192226B@courageux.concentric.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" > > I rented the disks from Blockbuster this weekend and had a couple of questions/comments. > > There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names with modern equivalents I should know? > > I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came out What I found most jarring was anything from the neck up. The hairstyles were extremely modern. Long hair was down & exposed. Crowns & headgear, at least on the women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. > > Julie in Ramona _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:39:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08NdWB7005535 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:39:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m08NcoI3023615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m08NaoSK096285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:36:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08Nal8D004284; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:36:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m08NabtQ004064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 66BD12C809D for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:36:32 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQfIPaA-Ieet for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:36:27 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (host-84-9-120-216.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.120.216]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 874C62C8096 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:36:25 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: From: Hilary Davidson Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:36:39 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: christening gown back to white X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eba5b9de-612f-4df6-822b-e0605fdb88ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4784098A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:38:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I believe the textile conservation solution is to very gently soak the gown in warm-cool water with Stergene in it, keeping it as flat as possible and as little agitated as possible, sort of like really delicate wool or silk. But give it a good long soak. The yellowing is most likely to be from old starch or improperly rinsed soap, so rinse it very, very well - with delicacy - or the same thing could happen later on. I've seen early 19th century white muslin dresses in museum collections that haven't, and have been wet cleaned, and the difference is basically yellowy brown muslin or the pure white muslin of fashion plates. (Disclaimer - I work with conservators but aren't one. If there is any way to consult a real one, do!) Best of luck. On 8 Jan 2008, at 7.03 pm, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: So, ideas for me to tell them about how to get the fabric back to white, does anybody have ideas for me to tell them? I told them that I don't think there is much you can do, but i do remember this list having threads on this topic, i just am not finding them right away. Sometimes the color change is permanent, as it is caused by an actual chemical change in the fibers. However, soaking in an oxygen bleach solution might help. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 8 19:36:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m090aPuO007727 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:36:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m090Zmtf009279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:35:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m090Z8Jr002536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m090Z4Ho054485; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:35:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m090Z2ab054389 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JCOuG-0006Vn-MB for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:34:56 -0500 Received: from 4.90.63.56 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: <15873524.1199838896672.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:34:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69bfbfb4527e85c6a7e73d52c54544e67f379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5049c211-f177-4d03-ae42-eb7e45737c25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478416E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Things my Grandmother told me: wash the garment in a mild soap ( not detergent) and warm water, rinse, roll in towel to remove excess water, squeezing gently. Lay on green grass in the sun turning from time to time. If still yellow, soak, after wetting in plain water, in a mild solution of bleach for five to ten minutes; rinse throughly and line dry in strong sun. She had no comment about what to do if that failed other then to try the washing again. She warned about the bleach as the fabric might disintegrate. I think it would be easier to buy one. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 8 22:18:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m093I3mu013317 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:18:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m093HQPV018856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:17:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m093Ghri018370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m093GZWP081170; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m093GVw1081092 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W17 ([65.55.133.52]) by bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:16:26 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.180.158] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:16:26 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080104191636.GB74886@idiom.com> References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080104191636.GB74886@idiom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 03:16:26.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[053E2C60:01C8526E] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a5f53e1-9ace-4512-87e1-612ae60eb617 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47843CC6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:17:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Several weeks ago, I got help removing the "pocket depressions" from the re= d wool of this coat. If any one is interested in the final outcome I have p= osted photos in my livejournal here: =20 =20 http://laswa.livejournal.com/24074.html =20 Laurie =20 _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TA= GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 8 22:47:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m093lLEw014211 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:47:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m093kiNO016209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:46:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m093kBuW020620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m093kAeh099481; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m093k7Jb099392 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:47:58 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C85272.6C855469" Subject: RE: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A96E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A96E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up Thread-Index: AchSbnEVPl9ZNGkUT6SZ3Tq7FbkZsAAA+gfY References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75><20080104191636.GB74886@idiom.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 03:47:58.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C9C6F80:01C85272] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 592b6bc4-8af6-49c9-b164-853cd12f8cb1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478443A4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:46:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85272.6C855469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks wonderful!! No wonder she's pleased. Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of zelda crusher Sent: Tue 1/8/2008 10:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up Several weeks ago, I got help removing the "pocket depressions" from the = red wool of this coat. If any one is interested in the final outcome I = have posted photos in my livejournal here: http://laswa.livejournal.com/24074.html Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows = Live(tm). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_= TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008_________________________________= ______________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85272.6C855469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85272.6C855469-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 10:47:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Fllee025559 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:47:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09Fl2xe030787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09FkQWS018228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09FkKQA043193; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09FkGAw043044 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=T3WDbTFuMwiaWbWGq3X25Rd9eSOAU5mT9aiQj/x/c92OinkKpAyNoeg183JtJPBa; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.61.142.103] (helo=Lexington.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1JCd86-00009a-MT for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:46:10 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:45:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Frau Anna Bleucher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4FF62F52 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 9eb1bae7e4e7fc8d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7949053400b1a78202514a8519e3e48a38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.61.142.103 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d471a8e8-0b37-41d6-aac2-4fbde450dca9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4784EC76.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca We have made several shirts and keep running into the same problem. The neck consistantly pulls to the back. That leaves us constantly pulling the shirt to the front to keep from choking. Our theory is that our gusset is either in the wrong place or not large enough or both. Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone have suggestions on how to correct it? Thank you, Connie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 12:50:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09HoRCW030382 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:50:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09HnoB8022004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:49:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09HnJRP038165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09HnAdl084484; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Hn1qj084213 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:49:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W11 ([65.55.133.46]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:48:55 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.236.128.248] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:48:55 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 17:48:55.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[E78AB790:01C852E7] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 550c3660-0f06-4f50-ba96-983840759fee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4785093E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:49:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Connie, =20 My guess, gleaned form modern tailoring, is that the issue is posture. It = usually indicates that the shoulders are rolled forward. I am not sure how= to fix this if the gussets are at the ends of the neck slash in a single p= iece of fabric like I am used to. The modern fixes that I have seen involv= e changes in the back piece, the front piece as well as the sleeve head, an= d I don't know if you can do something equivalent without a shoulder seam. = Good luck! =20 Laurie =20 =20 =20 > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:45:40 -0500> To: h-costume@indra.com> From: bleu= cher@earthlink.net> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question> > W= e have made several shirts and keep running into the same problem. The> nec= k consistantly pulls to the back. That leaves us constantly pulling> the sh= irt to the front to keep from choking.> > Our theory is that our gusset is = either in the wrong place or not large> enough or both.> > Has anyone else = had this problem? Does anyone have suggestions on how> to correct it?> > Th= ank you,> > Connie> > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Chec= ked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216= - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM> > > ___________________________________= ____________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail= .indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TA= GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 13:26:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09IQ4Cx000991 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09IPR91005965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:25:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09IOluh043535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09IOiAb027589; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m09IOcIA027369 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:24:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pennyrobertsho@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6303 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2008 18:24:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZML9WAJNO3YuN8jb6kZglwk+uLgAia8U99LMSvvmdX6GqVQpNZo8TBCwVtoOoiNs7YktjHb6fXnMpEizYPpuKuZx78wsyJNWDp0Vy/FVUNiN0vyLvuH6+AYUSqGpkECDfQn+gGoaptTNkDXlCv6Icqsq7yMwmYXq0mOZYRo8HUo=; X-YMail-OSG: sostseQVM1lHmNqRMOCYVdhZGdq09iENLenKKxCMK4JM7.oXj0bKduKVM6_vBnbgprJctn45T8pG2GWhYoPKnPQXxAI1buQwF20f2xfJqNITNtBFPi4- Received: from [198.64.15.129] by web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:24:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Roberts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <426769.5242.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2df93fac-8183-426e-90b3-cd2e521c3ffa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47851198.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:25:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I've had this problem with my husband, his arthritis actually humps his back, so I move the neck hole forward and it seems to do the trick. Gook luck! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 14:00:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09J0S2d002335 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:00:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09IxpYQ012879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:59:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09Ix7vd047965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Ix4f9067319; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09IwxYP067128 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W15 ([65.55.133.50]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:58:54 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.236.128.248] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:58:54 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A96E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75><20080104191636.GB74886@idiom.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A96E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 18:58:54.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE8755C0:01C852F1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0499f68c-d288-428e-abd1-0b3f25550793 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478519A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:59:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca > Subject: RE: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 = 22:47:25 -0500> From: RICKARPA@muc.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > > It= looks wonderful!! No wonder she's pleased.> Patty> > _____________________= ___________> > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of zelda crusher= > Sent: Tue 1/8/2008 10:16 PM> To: Historical Costume> Subject: [h-cost]"Sl= ightly OT" wool follow up> > > > > Several weeks ago, I got help removing t= he "pocket depressions" from the red wool of this coat. If any one is inter= ested in the final outcome I have posted photos in my livejournal here:> > = > http://laswa.livejournal.com/24074.html> > Laurie> > ____________________= _____________________________________________> _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TA= GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 14:02:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09J286G002387 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:02:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09J1Vju015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09J15aF048424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09J12Ux069978; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m09J0K2H068924 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 14738 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 19:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:00:11 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c852f1$dfa09c20$a00d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AchS10WlThGvVIWCQ6ORMmDa4vGD0AAGc74g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40b31618-d866-4c75-a131-bc584bc33b3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47851A0B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca I don't use the neck gussets in my shirts, but I did have the same problem in the beginning, and my fix was pretty simple. When attaching the band of the collar, I use only about the center 1/3 of the band to gather/pleat the back of the shirt into, whilw the rest goes to the front. This makes the neck opening naturally incline more to the front of the shirt (and person!) I also found it helpful to do a quicky muslin fitting when possible on the person meant for the shirt... Hope this helps a little! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frau Anna Bleucher Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question We have made several shirts and keep running into the same problem. The neck consistantly pulls to the back. That leaves us constantly pulling the shirt to the front to keep from choking. Our theory is that our gusset is either in the wrong place or not large enough or both. Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone have suggestions on how to correct it? Thank you, Connie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:02:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L2QKd007310 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:02:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09L1kUM002934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:01:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09L17Ot063491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:01:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L0xbW014029; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09DSXR7013560 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 06:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=R/1wYJyS3NbkEX4PWLarrVmbBI6Y+HChmMCtAo43wYkU727XOmR223NpfrZMZwre; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.224] (helo=[4.245.146.224]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JCayp-00088z-E1 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:28:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:31:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4ba56685b90088cd0ab3a395b4d700576387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32586c31-ee59-4067-a79c-90b6ea02c1d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4785363A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period stockings. Back in my high school days, the band uniform consisted of (for all members) a white shirt with black bow tie, a red blazer, a white boater, and, in colder weather, a black V-neck sweater and white gloves. The male band members wore black slacks with a red seam- stripe and white buck shoes; the female band members wore black pleated above-the-knee skirts and white marching boots. We looked very sharp, but come late October and November those skirts were NOT enough against the New Jersey cold and damp. Pantyhose were invisible and had no bulk, but they warmed us up from waist to toe. I believe some of the twirlers wore them too. On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > > The best bet may be to layer stockings. > > > ************* > > This is what I was thinking too. > > Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of > pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your > silk stockings > over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way > below freezing. > The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > than likely > undetectable under your correct period stockings. > > Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed > to keep > you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different > colored > stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? > Or is that too > early? Too dandy? > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:03:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L3PPK007351 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:03:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09L2ljd025459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09IxdBj048207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09IxaiG068097; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09IxVaI067832 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W21 ([65.55.133.56]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:59:26 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.236.128.248] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]"Slightly OT" wool follow up Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:59:26 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A96E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75><20080104191636.GB74886@idiom.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A96E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 18:59:26.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[C17BC850:01C852F1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fb42a03-cb62-4350-9a4f-426fcc747df7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47853677.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If any on= e is interested in the final outcome I have posted photos in my livejournal= here:> > > http://laswa.livejournal.com/24074.html> > Laurie> > __________= _______________________________________________________> Make distant famil= y not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live(tm).> http://www.micr= osoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoCh= at_distantfamily_012008_______________________________________________> h-c= ostume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailma= n/listinfo/h-costume> >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:09:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L92rh007568 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:09:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09L8MRN005313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:08:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09L83th064919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L808Q023257; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09HaxCM069673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m09HasEW004341 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:36:54 -0500 Received: from [172.16.55.214] (Forwarded-For: [172.16.55.214]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:30:20 -0500 From: To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:30:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <15873524.1199838896672.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <15873524.1199838896672.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5203 signatures=362958 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 84862ba1-dd66-4137-bc9b-168cfc4c1224 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478537C6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:08:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca A product called Orvis (sold in tack & saddle shops for grooming horses) is what I used ages ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: AVCHASE Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 7:29 pm Subject: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric To: h-costume posts > Things my Grandmother told me: wash the garment in a mild soap ( > not detergent) and warm water, rinse, roll in towel to remove > excess water, squeezing gently. Lay on green grass in the sun > turning from time to time. If still yellow, soak, after wetting > in plain water, in a mild solution of bleach for five to ten > minutes; rinse throughly and line dry in strong sun. She had no > comment about what to do if that failed other then to try the > washing again. She warned about the bleach as the fabric might > disintegrate.I think it would be easier to buy one. > Audy > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:09:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L9Bkh007577 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:09:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09L8Za0029659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09L3JjM063927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09L3I39016828; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09FxTOG056746 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:59:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so357700pyc.4 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4Hp/hDTMlUmrUL308TLikiGoZLoNW1XQQ+J0Aim+aCA=; b=xSnhOusyuLA7vKR3/Faq7ZBHU7yUdJ8g75uZPMkJmNwNFE7UmDbYCeb+Ce/CaEAC0luI4xL/ggPmt9lqU/dd3Z84YGP8IJE1+iRmGJRVkXKRB3wIVRBgmidi0BrHzWSf2n00Nu8KOHXxQV6RlD+SBJaIZVKaGhmGLjLAup2zjVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h5gwHX927RqhIst6ODDjKnwdvEHiJCalSihstBRRv6tboo58SUBWlLTsJrV+bh8C/EwFSKPek373IEe9QTriE5E2X3jF7OqGWzPJ5zjUzBPB+TWk/fvAes/OAfNwKFWwxcNOaKLSNJZOhgTEE6vKN7/QskLHypte93mLoQkG8MY= Received: by 10.35.33.15 with SMTP id l15mr938361pyj.61.1199894368359; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.127.7 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590801090759m407ae47ah9d1f7d31aee0cd53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:59:28 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04b2e6cd-2b94-44e9-92bb-37f8b02a5b88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478537D3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca When I've had this problem on modern shirts it's usually been because the neckline at the back isn't cut deep enough, so the shirt shifts to fall where it should, making it choke you. alex On Jan 9, 2008 9:45 AM, Frau Anna Bleucher wrote: > We have made several shirts and keep running into the same problem. The > neck consistantly pulls to the back. That leaves us constantly pulling > the shirt to the front to keep from choking. > > Our theory is that our gusset is either in the wrong place or not large > enough or both. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone have suggestions on how > to correct it? > > Thank you, > > Connie > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:11:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LBMWA007694 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:11:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09LAfHm023997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:10:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09LALHT065345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LAIMl025966; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Jds8c020033 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09JdsQX002721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:39:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09Jdsev011262 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:39:54 -0600 Received: from he204-bt.unl.edu (he204-bt.unl.edu [129.93.90.196]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:39:54 -0600 Message-ID: <20080109133954.0xer5j3nwg488kok@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:39:54 -0600 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question References: <000001c852f1$dfa09c20$a00d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: <000001c852f1$dfa09c20$a00d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcc1c30b-f4d4-434f-bb9d-3dbacd1d3457 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47853851.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:10:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Quoting Frank A Thallas Jr : > I don't use the neck gussets in my shirts, but I did have the same problem > in the beginning, and my fix was pretty simple. When attaching the band of > the collar, I use only about the center 1/3 of the band to gather/pleat the > back of the shirt into, whilw the rest goes to the front. This makes the > neck opening naturally incline more to the front of the shirt (and person!) > I also found it helpful to do a quicky muslin fitting when possible on the > person meant for the shirt... > Hope this helps a little! > > Liadain Yes, exactly, this is what I do as well. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:24:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LObaX008152 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:24:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09LNuWx011109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:24:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09LNR21067540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LNLBK041461; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m09LNDhM041213 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD2LQ3FABE2PSJ for (sender ); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:22:45 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqSG1HMbmf8zhSd6kKpcdCw= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M82VY8XN; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:22:38 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20080109.132219.3644.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3215209874 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: cley@juno.com, ingusmoen@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] seeking 15th-16th c. 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Much thanks, Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:54:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Ls14N009453 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:54:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09LrKtI008590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:53:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09LqacH071749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LqV03074211; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LqQgV074053 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d3d.1e88be79 (37103) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-90ef4785420e183; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:52:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <15873524.1199838896672.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:52:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3c7c5e5-a698-423e-ada0-c12aafcd372e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47854250.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca OxyClean is supposed to be good, also. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:30 PM, wrote: > A product called Orvis (sold in tack & saddle shops for grooming=20 > horses) is what I used ages ago. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AVCHASE > Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 7:29 pm > Subject: [h-cost] Whitening age-yellowed fabric > To: h-costume posts > >> Things my Grandmother told me: wash the garment in a mild soap ( >> not detergent) and warm water, rinse, roll in towel to remove >> excess water, squeezing gently. Lay on green grass in the sun >> turning from time to time. If still yellow, soak, after wetting >> in plain water, in a mild solution of bleach for five to ten >> minutes; rinse throughly and line dry in strong sun. She had no >> comment about what to do if that failed other then to try the >> washing again. She warned about the bleach as the fabric might >> disintegrate.I think it would be easier to buy one. >> Audy >> >> in the high boonies of Central Texas >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 16:58:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LwGBg009641 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:58:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09LvdcA023242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09LulWQ072341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Luk3W078793; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09LugI5078661 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b3uz1Y00L0cQ2SL0A0iB00; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:37 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b9wB1Y00D3RY8jw8W00000; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:11 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=U0NhMQeaAVluu9GmE2EA:9 a=vdb9NUA2wJo8PQUgAiMA:7 a=oDAv0rBBsNGGQV6hU_U45d7HN2YA:4 a=OS7PZEPQ3MUA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=HTkLZB8eETUA:10 a=oH_WKSxD8ioA:10 a=78wluiIcC_Sx4DwKZB4A:7 a=f3AD4Aye2x7FFIFA_oADeB2S1fUA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:36 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:36 +0000 Message-Id: <010920082156.25421.478543140006998E0000634D22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43399043-890c-4521-91d6-5f2f0329b198 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47854353.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca My two cents: 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th-century breeches! 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale pink) and might be what you remember wearing under your marching band skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually fit better. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner > As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the > recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period > stockings. > > > On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that > pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't > routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends > Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would > join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and > saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else > pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > > > > The best bet may be to layer stockings. > > > > > > ************* > > > > This is what I was thinking too. > > > > Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of > > pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your > > silk stockings > > over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way > > below freezing. > > The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > > than likely > > undetectable under your correct period stockings. > > > > Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed > > to keep > > you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different > > colored > > stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? > > Or is that too > > early? Too dandy? > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 18:48:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09NmTtt013496 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:48:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m09NlqwL028681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:47:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m09NlMkg084732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09NlDCi003039; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dewsmtp002.intellicentre.net.au (dewsmtp.intellicentre.net.au [210.193.179.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m09Nl9EU002889 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au) Received: from mailgate.internal.govt (mail1.dewmx.intellicentre.net.au [155.187.3.49]) by dewsmtp002.intellicentre.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33359CB30 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:47:14 +1100 (EST) X-WSS-ID: 0JUEICI-01-ICG-01 Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt (act01excfelb1a.internal.govt [155.187.66.20]) by mailgate.internal.govt (Tumbleweed MailGate) with ESMTP id D45B914500F05 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:53:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:47:07 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 x-classification-fullclassification: UNCLASSIFIED/#/# x-classification-classification: 1 - UNCLASSIFIED x-titus-version: 2.60.0.29 x-protective-marking: VER=2005.6, NS=gov.au, SEC=UNCLASSIFIED, ORIGIN=Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:47:06 +1100 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4B429@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: rennaisance shirt question [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AchS6cMpsPL7Lhh0Q0mm8RXU6v00sQALkA6g From: "Wilson, Annette" To: h-costume@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 23:47:07.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[F173E010:01C85319] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: rennaisance shirt question [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4d575fc-23c5-40d0-bf17-daba2c857e6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47855D28.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:47:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca =20 Connie wrote: >We have made several shirts and keep running into the same problem. The neck consistantly pulls to the back. That leaves >us constantly pulling the shirt to the front to keep from choking. I have noticed the same thing in the shirts I make for my husband - but ONLY when he wears the shirt on its own, without a doublet or jerkin, and especially if he does not tuck it in to his venetians or hose. These shirts were never made to be worn as an outer garment - when worn with the correct, fairly tight-fitting upper layers they do not slip backwards. If I wear my similarly-cut smock on its own (as a night-rail for example) it also shows this tendency, but when worn under other clothes it is very comfortable. However, if you need the shirt to be comfortable on its own, a fastening at the neck will help keep it in position, or increasing the depth of the front opening will help stop you choking :-) Annette Wilson ------If you have received this transmission in error please notify us = immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca > When I've had this problem on modern shirts it's usually been because > the neckline at the back isn't cut deep enough, so the shirt shifts to > fall where it should, making it choke you. > > alex Weird. When I've had this problem it was because the neck opening was set too far back. Our heads are not on top of our torsoes, they're slightly forward, so when the neck opening is cut right at the shoulder seam it tends to pull and the front chokes you. Setting the neck opening a little further towards the front has solved the problem for me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 19:52:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0A0qVc4015381 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:52:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0A0pr2v026903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:51:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0A0pGxV094097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0A0pDoX063997; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outI.internet-mail-service.net (outI.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0A0p9sK063934 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:51:09 -0800 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id CF27E126E73; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:51:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:51:08 -0800 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] seeking 15th-16th c. Portuguese Naval Officers uniforms Message-ID: <20080110005108.GA55343@idiom.com> References: <20080109.132219.3644.0.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080109.132219.3644.0.Cley@juno.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b59672d-1f9b-4134-a265-2101d2a71fba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47856C29.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:51:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca On 09 Jan 2008, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] seeking 15th-16th c. Portuguese Naval Officers uniforms > Images, possible sources for patterns--anything would be very helpful! > > Much thanks, > Arlys I know nothing about Portugese naval uniforms, but did they even have uniforms in the 15th-16th centuries? I believe that the naval officers of most European countries didn't get official uniforms until the 18th century. I suspect Naval Officers in the 15th-16th century wore clothes appropriate to their class and station in life. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 9 19:58:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0A0wdBR015686 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:58:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0A0w2Cc028869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0A0vK26094956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0A0vJVN068777; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0A0vGrL068685 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:57:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.8.238] Received: from [75.46.8.238] (adsl-75-46-8-238.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.8.238]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0A0vAXD005181 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:57:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080109.132219.3644.0.Cley@juno.com> References: <20080109.132219.3644.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <81105FF4-0615-4F48-9B66-D6387E26AD7C@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] seeking 15th-16th c. Portuguese Naval Officers uniforms Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:57:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 588b716f-0df6-4305-8c2a-89392b602d7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47856D9A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:58:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I would be very surprised if there were actually uniforms at that time. Most formal military uniforms started in the 18th century AFAIK. If you're interested in what Portuguese people wore to sail ships, there are some interesting images created by Japanese artists when the Portuguese got to Japan in the late 16th. If you're interested in that, let me know and I'll try to figure out where the info is. Melanie Schuessler On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Images, possible sources for patterns--anything would be very helpful! > > Much thanks, > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 10:36:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AFaUPY007723 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:36:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0AFZmCR024683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:35:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AFZCAZ075973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AFYuLI067699; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AFYp61067519 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.140.242] (helo=gold.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1JCzQb-0001LL-Ij for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:34:45 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:34:44 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Frau Anna Bleucher Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance shirt question In-Reply-To: <007a01c8531f$1f57d2c0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> References: <870801590801090759m407ae47ah9d1f7d31aee0cd53@mail.gmail.com> <007a01c8531f$1f57d2c0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78BB645C Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: f624f35fe26fb6dbfe687ec8711461339ef193a6bfc3dd48a6be397500d2a2e3a555c6958ec196d0667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.140.242 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f05a4264-3fe5-44df-90c3-5b341db0121c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47863B54.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca At 07:24 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: >>When I've had this problem on modern shirts it's usually been because >>the neckline at the back isn't cut deep enough, so the shirt shifts to >>fall where it should, making it choke you. >> >>alex > >Weird. When I've had this problem it was because the neck opening >was set too far back. Our heads are not on top of our torsoes, >they're slightly forward, so when the neck opening is cut right at >the shoulder seam it tends to pull and the front chokes you. Setting >the neck opening a little further towards the front has solved the >problem for me. With some assistance and research, we have found the problem and the solution. The problem lies in the slit neckline that was apparently used on at least some shirts of that time period (or at least some researchers claim that it was - but since they've had the opportunity to see existent pieces I defer to their expertise and knowledge). The correction is to cut an off-center oval (more toward the front than the back based on the shoulder seams) and gather to the collar. With just an inch or two scoop to the front, the collar issue is solved). While I know that this is the style in more modern shirts, there appears to be a time when the collar was cut directly on the shoulder seam. This causes the pull to the back of the neck and that lovely feeling of being strangled. It has nothing to do with what under- and over-garments you wear, it's strictly a shirt construction issue. Thanks everyone for their suggestions and advice. Connie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Portuguese Naval Officers uniforms Message-ID: <20080110.073952.3776.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-39 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 14:7:3849521859 X-MAIL-INFO: 0a700924091d50a41d5099a550991511690030d44ded0089816d4d3189b9c1a989e17935706570b5dd99915070a5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64c32ba2-fcf0-4ffb-9e19-3d588bcc91fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47863CD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:42:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Please send any further info on this thread to Ingus at . Great info--much thanks! :-) Arlys On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:57:55 -0500 Melanie Schuessler writes: > I would be very surprised if there were actually uniforms at that > time. Most formal military uniforms started in the 18th century > AFAIK. If you're interested in what Portuguese people wore to sail > > ships, there are some interesting images created by Japanese artists > > when the Portuguese got to Japan in the late 16th. If you're > interested in that, let me know and I'll try to figure out where the > > info is. > > Melanie Schuessler > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > > Images, possible sources for patterns--anything would be very > helpful! > > > > Much thanks, > > Arlys > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 12:15:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AHFPoZ011251 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:15:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0AHElng027932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:14:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AHEEue089601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:14:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AHE4bW079234; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AHDsXh078947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0AHDmPs029352 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:13:48 -0500 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JUF00IKPU7VXH20@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:07:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:13:46 -0500 From: Kate Pinner Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings In-reply-to: <004d01c84f25$c72b3120$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <001601c853ac$295f4950$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AchOziyvSGP0WjuZQkei3YZlbHV73AAV4IGgAItJEzA= References: <20080104123457.OMSV21659.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <004d01c84f25$c72b3120$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5204 signatures=363254 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3721e1ac-962d-45f8-b679-0da23c9041a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47865287.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:14:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca If you're looking for heavy, I've had luck with soccer socks -- they stay up better than others, but you have to find ones without logos or stripes on them. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:02 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings If not in the women's department, try a hiking/backpacking store. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, where it usually is very cold for this season. I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse would have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century outfit? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 12:54:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AHsu66012607 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:54:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0AHsIFU032466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AHrbZZ095918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AHpYwr024063; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AHpJWh023600 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bUnU1Y00C0SCNGk0507800; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:51:12 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net ([204.127.197.117]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bVqp1Y00S2YTat03V00000; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:50:50 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=_2kF30OaAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=HRKYcUw6289Ie7Ckm2wA:9 a=MfO9CzZoAzt4wcAcI7IA:7 a=9-PASNy2o-ItaAu2VJ4tjzG8_oMA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=jJShuoaeORf4A0WHduoA:9 a=sdbBHWLFbyQdoNiHWZ0A:7 a=hFzC12y_Ga3ISmVrRYTEL-h0IdoA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:51:12 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:51:12 +0000 Message-Id: <011020081751.2259.47865B0F000EF0B4000008D322007340769D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53590b45-41e1-47c2-bbf9-1c9fac72c267 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47865BCB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:54:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca One more cent on stockings: http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop/edit/index.php I don't know if they will ship overseas to Bjarne but I have been enjoying their variety of wool and cotton stockings since I found them about two months ago. Most are not 100% but some are close, and the size information and reviews are very helpful (and I have found them truthful so far). Also some of their brands are European, so maybe he could seek them out locally. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kate Pinner > If you're looking for heavy, I've had luck with soccer socks -- they stay up > better than others, but you have to find ones without logos or stripes on > them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Sharon Collier > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:02 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings > > If not in the women's department, try a hiking/backpacking store. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:35 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] white wool stockings > > I am going to an event in Sweden in start of february the north of Sweden, > where it usually is very cold for this season. > I wondered if someone knows if a womans department in a big warehouse would > have long knee woolen stockings wich i could wear to my 18th century outfit? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 16:48:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ALmd8a020243 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ALm1if026643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:48:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ALlLrl037522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ALlDpL097606; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ALl7Ba097418 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LMxjxoDXkprDtV+rQXoFVreK0II6mcle8+F8ypcbu3s+PVcfpL29R9X+IKeiTFkk; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.3] (helo=[4.245.146.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JD5Er-000848-05 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:47:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <010920082156.25421.478543140006998E0000634D22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> References: <010920082156.25421.478543140006998E0000634D22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:49:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4481bed2c7a034f13f653403593e0e70b387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4f2d472-4e11-456e-8d86-b3d5ba2e65cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47869291.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:48:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca No, they were definitely pantyhose--like stockings but attached to, well, stocking panties. Nobody could tell we weren't bare-legged. --Ruth Anne On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:56 PM, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > My two cents: > 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights > as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention > the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights > or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, > either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch > is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th- > century breeches! > > 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but > prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I > remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. > Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the > ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first > recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's > costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The > tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed > some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in > flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale pink) > and might be what you remember wearing under your marching band > skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in > upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to > prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. > Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually fit > better. > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner > >> As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the >> recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period >> stockings. >> >>> On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that >> pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't >> routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends >> Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would >> join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and >> saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else >> pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? >> >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> aquazoo@patriot.net writes: >>> >>> The best bet may be to layer stockings. >>> >>> >>> ************* >>> >>> This is what I was thinking too. >>> >>> Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of >>> pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your >>> silk stockings >>> over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way >>> below freezing. >>> The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more >>> than likely >>> undetectable under your correct period stockings. >>> >>> Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed >>> to keep >>> you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different >>> colored >>> stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? >>> Or is that too >>> early? Too dandy? >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? >>> NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 17:39:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AMdHGX021598 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:39:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0AMcdR9027156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:38:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AMbweO044539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AMbsOx053076; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:37:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AMbnjp052895 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ax3SMhPBNwPKd85wxjl77BiPHWVWpWtyl7pCv5oS/vv2cNP91V8f99UsNACn5Fju; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.49.186] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JD61v-0007rv-DW; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c853d9$e348b220$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historic Costume List" , "Steps" , "bao list" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:41:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ea744be8ef1e3eea92f6d45cb56f2d0b10ec827ca34601a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.186 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Taffeta on sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6ca664d-a2b2-4e98-b553-675ebf3bdc00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47869E6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:38:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Just thought I'd mention, Fashion Fabrics Club has silk taffeta for = $9.95 yd. http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/Catalog_items.aspx?Query=3Dsilk+taffeta= +9.95 Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:07:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AN7gKq022197 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:07:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0AN75oe008755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:07:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AN6nKf048186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AN6m8V080135; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from victory.concentric.com (victory.concentric.com [207.155.253.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AN6FNG079601 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by victory.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id A36141F14; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.195) with Concentric Web Mail; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Julie To: , Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200801082018.m08KHgAS079297@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080110230614.A36141F14@victory.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42d48b9b-d270-4af9-8fd2-db65b66d2fff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4786A519.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:07:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca ---- wrote: > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > =09h-costume@mail.indra.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed=20 > >thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of=20 > >buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really=20 > >happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious=20 > >and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe=20 > >consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names=20 > >with modern equivalents I should know? > > > >I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came=20 > >out What I found most jarring was anything from the neck up. The=20 > >hairstyles were extremely modern. Long hair was down & exposed.=20 > >Crowns & headgear, at least on the women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. > > > >Julie in Ramona >=20 > The "sweating sickness" is one of those medical mysteries that we may=20 > never be able to answer. It was evidently a real sickness (there are=20 > many references in contemporary letters and documents), but what=20 > caused it is unknown. It was evidently not plague or smallpox, both=20 > of which have readily recognizable symptoms; it was not tuberculosis,=20 > which does not kill in a few hours or days. From the descriptions,=20 > it sounds, to me, like it could have been a particularly virulent=20 > form of influenza or even malaria. >=20 > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net=20 >=20 Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it couldn't be t= hat because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as well. I was thinking = along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in 19...teens that ki= lled so many. Wasn't it called the Spanish Influenza? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:07:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AN7hRD022200 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:07:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0AN758r032445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:07:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AN6VFP048143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:06:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AN6NJM079726; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from victory.concentric.com (victory.concentric.com [207.155.253.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0AN6FJt079600 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by victory.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id A36141F14; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.195) with Concentric Web Mail; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Julie To: , Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200801082018.m08KHgAS079297@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080110230614.A36141F14@victory.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 656144c5-8e2b-4be0-890d-e9b6c1e33321 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4786A519.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:07:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca ---- wrote: > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > =09h-costume@mail.indra.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed=20 > >thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of=20 > >buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really=20 > >happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious=20 > >and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe=20 > >consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names=20 > >with modern equivalents I should know? > > > >I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came=20 > >out What I found most jarring was anything from the neck up. The=20 > >hairstyles were extremely modern. Long hair was down & exposed.=20 > >Crowns & headgear, at least on the women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. > > > >Julie in Ramona >=20 > The "sweating sickness" is one of those medical mysteries that we may=20 > never be able to answer. It was evidently a real sickness (there are=20 > many references in contemporary letters and documents), but what=20 > caused it is unknown. It was evidently not plague or smallpox, both=20 > of which have readily recognizable symptoms; it was not tuberculosis,=20 > which does not kill in a few hours or days. From the descriptions,=20 > it sounds, to me, like it could have been a particularly virulent=20 > form of influenza or even malaria. >=20 > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net=20 >=20 Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it couldn't be t= hat because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as well. I was thinking = along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in 19...teens that ki= lled so many. Wasn't it called the Spanish Influenza? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:20:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ANKAJk022429 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ANJX6L007042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ANJC3b049932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ANIdIY091537; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0ANIXTl091367 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolscostuming5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20531 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2008 23:18:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=puESrn/Xy7OukZJh14PxSDQkNrNfvP8AnAlInWBF0L3Bh4FyTUmJ0KsDicy3e8xXT3PBTR95Ge/FkUiMycI8HeueH4yLZsh/9vwb0g0gjTfp5fLWvcypckK7wkuyYU8grUIuuHCxs/W4thPpJSTitDhFnRfAQ7eD3rVSEK3aWxI=; X-YMail-OSG: wZnSq6IVM1niH8r7PHgT5Uw3C9ZsmwTsw_m9e0avT.pvdDYdCR1hyG4A9y3vvqY.LqJ4kEwPpUpcI5Way72RFJmHmQ8Ht1ulUIEG Received: from [64.107.2.209] by web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:18:28 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200801101753.m0AHrAKZ026028@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <431072.19940.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97127b40-ecc9-4861-9822-3f6a36c6804a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4786A805.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:19:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Since they have been mentioned, I thought someone might be able to help me. Target used to carry 100% cotton tights for a reasonable price, but now they carry microfiber, which my skin won't tolerate. Ditto nylon or mostly nylon blend. Silk pantyhose were available for a few months, but apparently weren't popular. I've found cotton tights for almost $20 a pair-has anyone seen any natural fibre tights for less? Thanks Carol Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 19:32:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0WaDP024107 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B0VrWj005706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:31:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B0VHqE059149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0VESr063953; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0V6Wl063837 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A86CA2302A0; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:29:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200801082018.m08KHgAS079297@net.indra.com> <20080110230614.A36141F14@victory.concentric.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: <009001c853e9$38ff25f0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20080110230614.A36141F14@victory.concentric.com> Thread-Index: AchT3VWn8xpPHCQRTtiVNsyi7m22TgAC5mng X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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In the book, "Little House on the Prairie", the whole family gets malaria and thankfully, a neighbor drops by and is able to get them medicine. Oklahoma in the 1860-1870's. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) ---- wrote: > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >There is substantial mention of a "sweating sickness" that killed > >thousands during Henry VIII's time. What was that? No mention of > >buboes like for plague or marks like smallpox. Did this really > >happen or was it just part of their story? It was very contagious > >and people were told to burn all clothing & bedding. I believe > >consumption is tuberculosis, right? Any other old disease names with > >modern equivalents I should know? > > > >I know the costumes were discussed when the show first came out What > >I found most jarring was anything from the neck up. The hairstyles > >were extremely modern. Long hair was down & exposed. > >Crowns & headgear, at least on the women, looked fantasy or Las Vegas. > > > >Julie in Ramona > > The "sweating sickness" is one of those medical mysteries that we may > never be able to answer. It was evidently a real sickness (there are > many references in contemporary letters and documents), but what > caused it is unknown. It was evidently not plague or smallpox, both > of which have readily recognizable symptoms; it was not tuberculosis, > which does not kill in a few hours or days. From the descriptions, it > sounds, to me, like it could have been a particularly virulent form of > influenza or even malaria. > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it couldn't be that because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as well. I was thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in 19...teens that killed so many. Wasn't it called the Spanish Influenza? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 19:32:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0WxmI024122 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B0WLxr028044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B0W623059237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0W5hd064755; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0W0C7064678 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8A5BE4005C; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:30:29 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200801101753.m0AHrAKZ026028@net.indra.com> <431072.19940.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] tights Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: <009101c853e9$5b794a20$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <431072.19940.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AchT3xcTIoPOSnI8QJmVPTIbfq+BlAACi5/g X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Don't know the price, but you might try the Vermont Country Store. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carol Mitchell Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] tights Since they have been mentioned, I thought someone might be able to help me. Target used to carry 100% cotton tights for a reasonable price, but now they carry microfiber, which my skin won't tolerate. Ditto nylon or mostly nylon blend. Silk pantyhose were available for a few months, but apparently weren't popular. I've found cotton tights for almost $20 a pair-has anyone seen any natural fibre tights for less? Thanks Carol Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 19:38:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0chDl024230 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:38:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B0c6ec008233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:38:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B0boop059966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0bmTF069805; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B0Zs2B068143 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bZ4F1Y0081HzFnQ050KH00; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:37:43 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter18.comcast.net ([204.127.197.128]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bcdT1Y00H2mhybw3a00000; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:37:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=_2kF30OaAAAA:8 a=gCatMZGOAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=4rvxqRj5Uy1rfup7VpEA:9 a=ghfuCM50Hp3Q6tLrye8A:7 a=m5U1GzT5lTU4LxrUQ9FniG-6Nh4A:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=Fwz833_nPTaYOWrTXPwA:9 a=x_Yk4lMjRggp3CiNKcQA:7 a=ES_2_FwgGtBiRNqx_qoSPGkiEiUA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter18.comcast.net; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:37:42 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tights Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:37:42 +0000 Message-Id: <011120080037.18209.4786BA56000436190000472122070009539D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c76212c-6a2f-43ef-9719-44c60fe87f77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4786BA6E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:38:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca These are $16, free shipping, 81% cotton. http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop/pages/socks_detail_ProductID_806.php These are 85% cotton, $19.95, probably a shipping charge: http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5850&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=730&iSubCat=835&iProductID=5850 Everything else I've seen is $20 or above -- Hannah Anderson had some mostly-cottons before Xmas on sale for about $17 but they're gone now. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: Carol Mitchell > Since they have been mentioned, I thought someone might be able to help me. > Target used to carry 100% cotton tights for a reasonable price, but now they > carry microfiber, which my skin won't tolerate. Ditto nylon or mostly nylon > blend. Silk pantyhose were available for a few months, but apparently weren't > popular. I've found cotton tights for almost $20 a pair-has anyone seen any > natural fibre tights for less? > Thanks > Carol > > > Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 20:10:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B1AqjV025028 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:10:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B1AE4X002001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:10:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B19YT3063011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B19TDp096668; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B19Pwh096543 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so795293fga.11 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:09:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mvuf8G7cyHP9VUcLFj8BGRKuG/BgbiYTmijFFLZpEBc=; b=Nffl0u7bfuXe1crFE8yKAHbI/V88NxKDamy37HNHqVKbxoUkVVi2FDH/gXwCsczzvrkIfMoYmxwYCBou6RIaVPYGRfQ3m9U+bMqw2jPGHpePGxe1JbFiITHHiaEClKeUDcLeFneWf9GFwFJCk25npIT/41iAVrkqKlCT9hDb+BY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gB5Ikwc6T60wuT6G7pQf2HdyRt1u+bZtkXTh6tINVUIAT2qMjv9Dgp8Jb9gAxcCUzr75b+3d6UKxiRXMXozzXxRexux+TTq5Mfm5X8H+z4fC1x1MDQejtrklhheUC11MlWEe4tfSR3CMpAHPNGseUYGikEujZxXMIUeygjXS+UY= Received: by 10.78.100.1 with SMTP id x1mr3231147hub.45.1200013760233; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:09:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801101709of51f451t1cf4b31b00bbebbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:09:20 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010920082156.25421.478543140006998E0000634D22064244139D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ead715c3-d233-44e2-88f4-fc65d4a141ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4786C1F6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:10:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Ruth Anne asked if anyone had personal experience with pantyhose before 1962 and Lauren listed Wikipedia's history. In 1962 I was 9-10 and still wearing white socks to church. However, my understanding is that Ann Miller - the dancer/actor/singer with the incredible legs - held the patent for the first pantyhose as pantyhose. If you've ever seen her dance in her many movies, she always lifts her skirts so you can see how fast she's tapping and lifts them as high as possible; she really did have amazingly beautiful, long legs into her 70s. Anyway, she found a need for stockings that were higher than the usual stockings and went from there. She was very big starting in the mid-late 1950s, right? Time for me to watch "On the Town" and "Kiss Me Kate" again... LynnD On 1/10/08, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > > No, they were definitely pantyhose--like stockings but attached to, > well, stocking panties. Nobody could tell we weren't bare-legged. > --Ruth Anne > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:56 PM, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > > > My two cents: > > 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights > > as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention > > the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights > > or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, > > either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch > > is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th- > > century breeches! > > > > 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but > > prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I > > remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. > > Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the > > ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first > > recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's > > costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The > > tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed > > some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in > > flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale pink) > > and might be what you remember wearing under your marching band > > skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in > > upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to > > prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. > > Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually fit > > better. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > >> As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the > >> recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period > >> stockings. > >> > >>> On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that > >> pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't > >> routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends > >> Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would > >> join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and > >> saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else > >> pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? > >> > >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > >> > >> On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>> aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > >>> > >>> The best bet may be to layer stockings. > >>> > >>> > >>> ************* > >>> > >>> This is what I was thinking too. > >>> > >>> Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of > >>> pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your > >>> silk stockings > >>> over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way > >>> below freezing. > >>> The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > >>> than likely > >>> undetectable under your correct period stockings. > >>> > >>> Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed > >>> to keep > >>> you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different > >>> colored > >>> stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? > >>> Or is that too > >>> early? Too dandy? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > >>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? > >>> NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> h-costume mailing list > >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 20:51:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B1pRxC025889 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B1on6j008464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B1oJCK066731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B1oGOx028403; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B1oBVv028270 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUG00GR6IFHE172@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:50:05 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-7-217-70.eastlink.ca (HELO dickbcbd0c45c9) ([71.7.217.70]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:53:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:50:05 -0400 From: Sarah Paterson Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings In-reply-to: <8296995c0801101709of51f451t1cf4b31b00bbebbc@mail.gmail.com> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <001501c853f4$49e3f160$46d90747@dickbcbd0c45c9> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AchT7q4zRK3ZSEAQTzyrk2+imwG5jQABYE+w X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAI9ahkdHB9lG/2dsb2JhbACRcJgc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,269,1196654400"; d="scan'208";a="50849836" X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c75699ce-9272-4ae5-964d-2d9e0840b345 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4786CB79.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:50:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca In Ginger Roger's autobiography, she claims the invention. Sarah Paterson -----Original Message----- Ruth Anne asked if anyone had personal experience with pantyhose before 1962 and Lauren listed Wikipedia's history. In 1962 I was 9-10 and still wearing white socks to church. However, my understanding is that Ann Miller - the dancer/actor/singer with the incredible legs - held the patent for the first pantyhose as pantyhose. If you've ever seen her dance in her many movies, she always lifts her skirts so you can see how fast she's tapping and lifts them as high as possible; she really did have amazingly beautiful, long legs into her 70s. Anyway, she found a need for stockings that were higher than the usual stockings and went from there. She was very big starting in the mid-late 1950s, right? Time for me to watch "On the Town" and "Kiss Me Kate" again... LynnD On 1/10/08, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > > No, they were definitely pantyhose--like stockings but attached to, > well, stocking panties. Nobody could tell we weren't bare-legged. > --Ruth Anne > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:56 PM, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > > > My two cents: > > 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights > > as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention > > the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights > > or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, > > either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch > > is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th- > > century breeches! > > > > 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but > > prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I > > remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. > > Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the > > ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first > > recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's > > costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The > > tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed > > some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in > > flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale pink) > > and might be what you remember wearing under your marching band > > skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in > > upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to > > prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. > > Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually fit > > better. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > >> As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the > >> recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period > >> stockings. > >> > >>> On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that > >> pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't > >> routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends > >> Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would > >> join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and > >> saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else > >> pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? > >> > >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > >> > >> On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>> aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > >>> > >>> The best bet may be to layer stockings. > >>> > >>> > >>> ************* > >>> > >>> This is what I was thinking too. > >>> > >>> Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of > >>> pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your > >>> silk stockings > >>> over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way > >>> below freezing. > >>> The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > >>> than likely > >>> undetectable under your correct period stockings. > >>> > >>> Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed > >>> to keep > >>> you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different > >>> colored > >>> stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? > >>> Or is that too > >>> early? Too dandy? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > >>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? > >>> NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> h-costume mailing list > >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 21:35:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2ZIFg027151 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:35:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B2YfEg029344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:34:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B2Y6w2073388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2Y5O0060878; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2Y2Fo060817 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from yodel@shaw.ca) Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JUG002QRKGP9B20@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JUG00I74KGPRI60@pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from yohsvzve5v1iat ([70.71.133.247]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JUG00EGEKGOU430@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:34:01 -0800 From: Yolanda To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <000301c853fa$6d089eb0$6400a8c0@yohsvzve5v1iat> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AchT+myA9XlTakWaSZCBlGd2bLaqcA== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080110-0, 01/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re: natural fiber tights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdee8360-b448-499f-a659-a7f757091bd6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4786D5C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:34:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Im Canadian and here in BC Walmart has bamboo tights for reasonable probably somewhere closer to 10 a pair. Probably under that I don't know exactly but my mom bought 2 pairs right before Christmas. They are super soft and I want to try a pair In the past I have gotten rayon tights there too but the fit was horrible as I have long legs and have a few pounds extra Yolanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 21:40:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2eXVX027300 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B2dsDi002469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:39:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B2daHO073931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2dZus064763; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0B2dW2O064622 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD2PXXRADJRVD2 for (sender ); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:38:39 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7oIGl1Z2ol1rbzGZtsE3NyhBNh5RSIu9ew== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M852EX5H; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:37:45 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:36:56 -0600 Message-ID: <20080110.203657.1456.3.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-8,11-12,18-19 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1354082196 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23690a52-9478-4cf3-bd56-dcd678926c03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4786D6FA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:39:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca > Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it > couldn't be that because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as > well. I was thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in > the U.S. in 19...teens that killed so many. Wasn't it called the > Spanish Influenza? I've seen references to malaria in England in Victorian times, but don't have the books handy right now. And yes, the 1918 pandemic was known as the Spanish Flu (despite starting out in Kansas, USA). Sweating sickness doesn't quite match the 1918 symptoms ... but flu viruses are so mutable, you really can't go by that. Costume content, costume content, there's gotta be some around here ... "America's Forgotten Pandemic" has several references (and photos) of people wearing gauze masks to protect themselves from the flu. Anyone ever do a Costume Con historical masquerade entry from 1918 with flu masks? (It'll be Milwaukee before I can go again, but I'm trying to decide on an entry early.) Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 21:42:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2gEHu027319 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:42:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B2fVxZ030389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:41:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B2fFnE074072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2fFSt065992; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp5.america.net (qsmtp5.america.net [69.60.160.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B2fAUU065947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200801110241.m0B2fAUU065947@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.161] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp5.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JD9pW-0000xi-B3 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:41:10 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:41:07 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <16537.24943.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200801061900.m06J08mS032482@net.indra.com> <16537.24943.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How Are the Costumes in Amazing Grace? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:41:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Hi all, Having just watched Amazing Grace for the fourth or fifth time, I got it for Christmas and I love the story, I was wondering how correct they were with the costuming. My focus is much earlier. Particularly the wife of Wilburforce's cousin at breakfast near the end of the film, and the women's costumes. I did like the way the men tended to use their wigs like hats, and took them off periodically during the film. Thanks Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 10 23:50:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B4oWmm031449 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:50:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B4nr1s030426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:49:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B4mnvB084207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B4mlMW058384; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B4mhFA058239 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=GKkBstjUuP51nMqC8qSohOFkqEF9tnT/ATaunkPHvXJ9RVcVjNnBePG/zATyPfKL; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JDBor-0001k6-UD for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080110224514.028894f0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:48:11 -0600 To: From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <20080110.203657.1456.3.LLWatts@juno.com> References: <20080110.203657.1456.3.LLWatts@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e532aa7e4ca26bfcccfb631654b3f0dd085e19728a9069fc2d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9508ae2f-622e-4f79-a6fc-152811260ab8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4786F571.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:49:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca No-one's done a 1918 costume with a flu mask. There was a "plague doctor" from Venice, guessing 16th-17th century, at Costume-Con 12. Photo here: Sandy At 08:36 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: >And yes, the 1918 pandemic was known as the Spanish Flu (despite starting >out in Kansas, USA). Sweating sickness doesn't quite match the 1918 >symptoms ... but flu viruses are so mutable, you really can't go by that. > >Costume content, costume content, there's gotta be some around here ... >"America's Forgotten Pandemic" has several references (and photos) of >people wearing gauze masks to protect themselves from the flu. Anyone >ever do a Costume Con historical masquerade entry from 1918 with flu >masks? (It'll be Milwaukee before I can go again, but I'm trying to >decide on an entry early.) > >Leah "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 04:11:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B9BCfh002644 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:11:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0B9AYA3002147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:10:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B9A2Qp006986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B99tjW025222; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0B99psL025196 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A202522030C; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:08:18 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080110.203657.1456.3.LLWatts@juno.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:09:39 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c85431$b1ec8e60$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AchT+w4w455pNWEsQdaYZ7Tphy44dQANmAZQ In-Reply-To: <20080110.203657.1456.3.LLWatts@juno.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc8d6759-8c31-4135-8ac6-a98a265b6851 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4787328A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:10:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca In the "Little House" books, Laura writes about a fabric they called "mosquito bar", which they put over the windows to try and keep the bugs out. Does that count for costume/fabric content? :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leah L Watts Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:37 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) > Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it > couldn't be that because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as > well. I was thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the > U.S. in 19...teens that killed so many. Wasn't it called the Spanish > Influenza? I've seen references to malaria in England in Victorian times, but don't have the books handy right now. And yes, the 1918 pandemic was known as the Spanish Flu (despite starting out in Kansas, USA). Sweating sickness doesn't quite match the 1918 symptoms ... but flu viruses are so mutable, you really can't go by that. Costume content, costume content, there's gotta be some around here ... "America's Forgotten Pandemic" has several references (and photos) of people wearing gauze masks to protect themselves from the flu. Anyone ever do a Costume Con historical masquerade entry from 1918 with flu masks? (It'll be Milwaukee before I can go again, but I'm trying to decide on an entry early.) Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 07:04:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BC4TtM000485 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:04:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0BC3pQw024888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:03:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0BC3GW5022470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BC3EwQ049950; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BC3B3h049863 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200801111203.m0BC3B3h049863@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bnCF1Y0060S2fkC0A02Z00; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:03:06 +0000 Received: from NunnWeinberg1.comcast.net ([71.193.71.134]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bo2f1Y00B2tprXK8V00100; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:02:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1GBqmP5nWIMA:10 a=edfbnmyVvlMzzOYVOkoA:9 a=b0WZ1GxQRKxNyGD32aYA:7 a=4O45yZsS5bR4szznWBN_v4zK_dAA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:01:57 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <001101c85431$b1ec8e60$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <20080110.203657.1456.3.LLWatts@juno.com> <001101c85431$b1ec8e60$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Teddy and calling people in the San Francisco area... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a496ad0-1886-46eb-93c0-bfa76dc13c22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47875B27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Greetings, I'm passing on a message for Teddy. There those of you who might remember him. Anyway, he and his partner Tom will be going to Costume Con. They would like to spend about three weeks in California in the SF area around Costume Con and thought that "in case anyone on there remembers me and wants to meet up or whatever (or has any suggestions for reasonably inexpensive accommodation!!!)" :-) So, if you feel like answering this "call" please email Teddy directly (the sooner, the better) at Teddy at mdx.ac.uk Thanks everyone! Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:48:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BEm5ib006040 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0BElRN3002258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:47:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0BEkjtJ041160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BEkbhJ083574; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BEkYHm083447 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id f.c5a.2322012e (48552); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:24 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:34 EST To: sca-laurels@ansteorra.org, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org, h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NESAT IX X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f87ad96-437f-4c22-bf7c-1665927e8e50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4787817F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:47:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store. (NESAT stands for North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.) _www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677_ (http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677) When you check out, do NOT put in a password. To them, that means you will be accessing a band account. For "country", find "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika". I should imagine that this will become available through Archetype and/or Oxbow/David Brown in the near future. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Kingdom of Atlantia **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:49:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BEnE87006075 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:49:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0BEmbSp003106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0BEmMZt041293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BEmK9D085180; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BEmGik085058 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id f.bd0.22b75f01 (48552); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:07 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:15 EST To: SNSpies@aol.com, sca-laurels@ansteorra.org, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org, h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NESAT IX X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5415ad77-7556-4c7b-a502-8378821be095 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478781C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca This IS available from Oxbow/David Brown. This will be easier than getting it from the Swiss bookstore. Nancy / Ingvild **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:22:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BJMUTp016476 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:22:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0BJLoMn021333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:21:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0BJKx2j095589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BJJ3WD015645; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BJHvCO013468 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W38 ([64.4.19.138]) by bay0-omc2-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:16:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.220.155.148] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] NESAT IX Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:16:20 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 19:16:20.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[72732A00:01C85486] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b3d02c1-c435-4758-b88e-d53163226d56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4787C1CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:21:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca nancy, Since I'm back in The South... would the Guild like a box of cotton boles f= or their gift bags? If you send me your address, I'll get one to them throu= gh you. There is lots of cotton around here, some greenish but all puffy. T= hey make lovely shelf displays.=20 Just let me know. I'm setting up my loom but so far no project done. I've been embroidering a= nd quilting. I'm working for my local paper doing artwork and making ads. It's never the= same thing twice. I work all day then go home to my quilting for now. When= my art room is set up the way I want it, I'll get back to weaving.Sincerel= y, Rebecca Rautine> From: SNSpies@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:34 = -0500> To: sca-laurels@ansteorra.org; atlantia@atlantia.sca.org; h-costume@= indra.com; h-needlework@ansteorra.org> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] NESAT IX> > = NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store. (NESAT stands for North = > European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.)> > _www.lesestoff.ch/ful= ldisplay?ISBN=3D9783033012677_ > (http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN= =3D9783033012677) > > When you check out, do NOT put in a password. To them= , that means you will > be accessing a band account.> > For "country", find= "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika".> > I should imagine that this will becom= e available through Archetype and/or > Oxbow/David Brown in the near future= .> > Nancy > > Nancy Spies> Arelate Studio> _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStu= dio.html_ > (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) > Ingvild Josef= sdatter, OL > Kingdom of Atlantia> > > > > > > **************Start the year= off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winte= r-exercise?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002489> ___________________________________= ____________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail= .indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 15:03:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BK3GeT018210 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:03:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0BK2cfB024727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0BK27x6002558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BK2428068986; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:02:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BK1tkE068839 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so784678mue.2 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:01:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LTTGhLuS82E2v+GopEaFZuAAW9ENXS+c0vjvekTrH+c=; b=qUpKe4r3CVC5AsejRtNb1PlpiGv1/hzH5Ltlc1wn2LbvLmIRyV2SzBnJxVt2M44Hlbsaaz+Mj6opxRf4cEXSiMO6a9swz21W3ukDaAq/tpMH2SDbYiGK7C4HRs5Nr31AJ7tWmCa8uAlLctwaJL6g7aCgsKR+qdu/mekd0qgAaKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cetmHVNuZz2z41GY5xO2vLPHaxFv2k3iiHYgmpV4SQzfFjuqZzGhHctekBGtTvEkjVZZf8oBXzJ6CqK4vaC9kleY4QRtsrS4YqwxM8YGCdo0ut1yuDHf3vMKmGsvJWm6G4khWEr+zLtLAOPT0M/aXdA03MCRAOXGI03n35dPS4M= Received: by 10.78.123.4 with SMTP id v4mr4503822huc.18.1200081714553; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:01:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801111201i17b7f122ue4fd3d0e0eaf76e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:01:54 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings In-Reply-To: <001501c853f4$49e3f160$46d90747@dickbcbd0c45c9> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8296995c0801101709of51f451t1cf4b31b00bbebbc@mail.gmail.com> <001501c853f4$49e3f160$46d90747@dickbcbd0c45c9> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9c2cad1-65fb-4de6-abab-49e06b33613b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4787CB5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca That's interesting. I wonder which of these dancers really did invent them... I'm just thankful that they are invented! I remember those horrible girdles I wore before pantyhose were available to us regular people. LynnD On 1/10/08, Sarah Paterson wrote: > > In Ginger Roger's autobiography, she claims the invention. > Sarah Paterson > > -----Original Message----- > > Ruth Anne asked if anyone had personal experience with pantyhose before > 1962 > and Lauren listed Wikipedia's history. In 1962 I was 9-10 and still > wearing > white socks to church. However, my understanding is that Ann Miller - the > dancer/actor/singer with the incredible legs - held the patent for the > first > pantyhose as pantyhose. If you've ever seen her dance in her many movies, > she always lifts her skirts so you can see how fast she's tapping and > lifts > them as high as possible; she really did have amazingly beautiful, long > legs > into her 70s. Anyway, she found a need for stockings that were higher than > the usual stockings and went from there. She was very big starting in the > mid-late 1950s, right? > > Time for me to watch "On the Town" and "Kiss Me Kate" again... > LynnD > > > On 1/10/08, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > > > > No, they were definitely pantyhose--like stockings but attached to, > > well, stocking panties. Nobody could tell we weren't bare-legged. > > --Ruth Anne > > > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:56 PM, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > My two cents: > > > 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights > > > as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention > > > the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights > > > or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, > > > either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch > > > is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th- > > > century breeches! > > > > > > 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but > > > prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I > > > remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. > > > Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the > > > ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first > > > recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's > > > costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The > > > tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed > > > some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in > > > flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale pink) > > > and might be what you remember wearing under your marching band > > > skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in > > > upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to > > > prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. > > > Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually fit > > > better. > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > > > >> As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the > > >> recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period > > >> stockings. > > >> > > >>> On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that > > >> pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't > > >> routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends > > >> Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would > > >> join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and > > >> saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else > > >> pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? > > >> > > >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >> > > >> On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > >>> aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > > >>> > > >>> The best bet may be to layer stockings. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ************* > > >>> > > >>> This is what I was thinking too. > > >>> > > >>> Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of > > >>> pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your > > >>> silk stockings > > >>> over them and you should be quite warm....unless it's like way > > >>> below freezing. > > >>> The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > > >>> than likely > > >>> undetectable under your correct period stockings. > > >>> > > >>> Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed > > >>> to keep > > >>> you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different > > >>> colored > > >>> stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? > > >>> Or is that too > > >>> early? Too dandy? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > >>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? > > >>> NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> h-costume mailing list > > >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> h-costume mailing list > > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 15:49:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BKnt1o020230 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:49:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0BKn2kA022456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0BKmRae011205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BKmCt4023566; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0BKlwgT023083 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7644 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 20:47:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kQCJ7xspLzNFLXCa69Y0Bw5Ulk5EeLS6NIRkY7hOd9vAioGokqea2wbgHmB9nO7q7Iev6pBwQSIFjqbYEGo91hPHpJY/U7NABBniMeQ9ifa1bOzJF7tKYRsInbx9WOK8kKpRuLIs6x5vuFualrxohgCzpVj8woRsrAB8yvm1HWM=; X-YMail-OSG: LkPAU6cVM1kyKZvI8X50By0EX.sXCSw5MuRjU11Y9s6XFPhQfqkoCN45JCVIxhUUyWMgtXMZNy04QETQOGpz9afeBV5SWLE7Sj6kUal.ZcAoXxeCkrnHyWaEccCksg-- Received: from [71.212.19.252] by web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:47:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.160 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:47:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy and calling people in the San Francisco area... To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <263315.6441.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23ac5e8a-d8ad-44e5-98dc-39da55c06614 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4787D63E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:49:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Ok, that's a "Squee" in process....I'm going to CostumeCon. JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir ----- Original Message ---- From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:01:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Teddy and calling people in the San Francisco area... Greetings, I'm passing on a message for Teddy. There those of you who might remember him. Anyway, he and his partner Tom will be going to Costume Con. They would like to spend about three weeks in California in the SF area around Costume Con and thought that "in case anyone on there remembers me and wants to meet up or whatever (or has any suggestions for reasonably inexpensive accommodation!!!)" :-) So, if you feel like answering this "call" please email Teddy directly (the sooner, the better) at Teddy at mdx.ac.uk Thanks everyone! Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:06:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C26C1j028884 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:06:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C25YSc030221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C24osC069059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:04:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C24j1S023736; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0BJI7dJ013696 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.125]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080111191711.RWZE15841.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.125]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080111191711.QLYG6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:15:40 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200801111900.m0BJ0GRR090884@net.indra.com> References: <200801111900.m0BJ0GRR090884@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080111191711.QLYG6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NESAT IX X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6ecc965-499c-450e-8f11-23626163afa4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4788206E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:05:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Hi Nancy, I'm glad that you found a copy. It is as good as ever. Yes, it is available from DBBC (I make it my mission to notify DBBC when the NESATs become available) but there is a pretty good markup on the price... they have to stay in business. It really wasn't too hard to order from the Swiss online seller, but there were a few tricky bits. Nice fast delivery too. Are you going to the NESAT 10 conference in Copenhagen in May? Beth At 01:00 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:15 EST >From: SNSpies@aol.com > >This IS available from Oxbow/David Brown. This will be easier than getting >it from the Swiss bookstore. > >Nancy / Ingvild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:09:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C29kMA029004 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:09:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C298KN001055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:09:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C28mkJ069787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C28l06026671; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0C0aW76057300 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolscostuming5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5548 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 00:36:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CZhubi6ZhR5H5alaVvane6MEJoxKi3I0gJr8MA0e6fatWedXpj4TlVW53spkf2iML0AjjKBhNDu16QaezFSZTTxFTAfrrpM1jAbeXlU5KBWxO2GlE0H2E0Rg35NZk8o9I0yaDkVxHYbZiEQPfDcR7qWOj0VrVl7Zl2GvAQYqR7Y=; X-YMail-OSG: c.2YTx8VM1mlFHF6RUHBZPeY_9soaNV1G_ESKcWlQ3FRlmE3xIBxPC8XskL41iMrMGz5oahvBuUTg7_cWbYiCqeJ9Qk1b2kuKYYUIrmBVsgZV7Fo5zL0HPYwHVXV0QqGVDBquATT8LLn7FGjKSL2c8_2xQ-- Received: from [64.107.144.40] by web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:36:27 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:36:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200801110150.m0B1oHvO028412@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <557921.4039.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sweating sickness X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bba566a5-00d3-42b8-8016-c57fb8da411b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47882144.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:09:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca One of the historical fiction novels I read year's ago mentioned that the disease had an uncanny ability to seek out Englishmen in other countries (diet, perhaps?) & also that it seemed to be associated with outbreaks of murrain in cattle. Does anyone know the modern name for that disease? Carol Mitchell Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:14:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C2Ed3Z029128 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:14:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C2E1Jx019596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C2Dhd1070279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C2Dfgn029910; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C24Tcs023523 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1562383pyc.4 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:04:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=J9ltodLfm+fzpIYfIOHU5pT1Eh4L+wNhc5uNUgIkiMY=; b=NeN4paF+A726ZPbNoGUYicvPra2HOgSAesr+UFVPpKL2WKQCmD0/V1mW3ZPjoxKnvKDrpPZ+c8NYSp9BdXDuB+UaRhk8at3fpFbFkhWMYKXEZIl0zKIwJoMYDVHbdY1bEQJv5ejigd9HazT4WtkKP2LDDUPPC5UQdvKoj83VWYM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NEZ88AUWh49Q/RPLwIusAdxrkVRyuTqRawNoEAb5CrUUz53YWEk+4PKoNHxXjg9swr/SDZ8EZZHitscuWxdgVPrcw19ySpbk8ku3Cax3GwUnA7pbXH2DfrqT5e0kr2UPoKiSM53tuBU9BqJK1PGxnEDYG2ELSsoDQJ3AuRpq7to= Received: by 10.142.107.1 with SMTP id f1mr2055347wfc.26.1200103468405; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:04:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:04:28 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: de567ce1-3974-4fbb-aa07-ff20f545a373 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4788226A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca After all those h-costume msgs describing holiday wear for parties, Dicken's Fair, 12th night, New Years eve and the like, I suspect we'd all love to see pictures of each other in our finery. I know I would. The favor of a website, flickr page or smug mug link, is requested. Anyone brave enough to share? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:15:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C5Fptd004549 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:15:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C5FE6s016792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C5EOit085202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C5EBiU035962; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C5E8L1035926 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ED53806A for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:16:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT IX Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:16:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801120016.57098.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91cb46a7-97d7-4141-9c6d-746811f1f693 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47884CE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:15:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca On Friday 11 January 2008, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store. (NESAT stands for > North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.) > > _www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677_ > (http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677) > > When you check out, do NOT put in a password. To them, that means you > will be accessing a band account. > > For "country", find "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika". The page they use to ask for your credit card information is not secured, though. So I do not intend to give them my credit card information this way, and I don't know enough German to ask them to telephone me for the information. > I should imagine that this will become available through Archetype and/or > Oxbow/David Brown in the near future. As someone already said, it is available now but at a premium. However, DBBC has a history of changing their prices--sometimes both unexpectedly and dramatically--to reflect their supply of a book, and other factors. So in this circumstance, I guess I'm going to be waiting for them to cut their price. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 12 04:01:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C91VLs008752 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:01:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C90sKV004803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C9083m008327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C8xxD3080062; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C8xtVf079992 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1614.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.81]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B980C3429F5 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:59:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47888379.6030803@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:08:09 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:00:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Well, Here you can see our little thee party in Dickens style at the Anton Pieck Parade in the Netherlands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn867-ZtgUQ And an other impression of the fair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75t1yxneSZE And pictures of last year http://www.antonpieckparade.nl/fotoos2006-6.html Click on volgende pagina to see more pictures Deredere Cin wrote: > After all those h-costume msgs describing holiday wear for parties, > Dicken's Fair, 12th night, New Years eve and the like, I suspect we'd > all love to see pictures of each other in our finery. I know I would. > The favor of a website, flickr page or smug mug link, is requested. > Anyone brave enough to share? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 12 04:45:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C9jVoR017079 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:45:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C9isVK022211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:44:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C9iLUR012735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C9iKLB006064; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C9iGJa006021 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB962DBF006E; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:42:46 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8296995c0801101709of51f451t1cf4b31b00bbebbc@mail.gmail.com><001501c853f4$49e3f160$46d90747@dickbcbd0c45c9> <8296995c0801111201i17b7f122ue4fd3d0e0eaf76e7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] white wool stockings Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:44:10 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c854ff$af080070$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchUjL1p2ermrFBAREGYrgWEF9NmAQAcnslA In-Reply-To: <8296995c0801111201i17b7f122ue4fd3d0e0eaf76e7@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d7e106e-cf0b-4462-8572-f86ac7fb0ea0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47888C16.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:44:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SARE_MLH_Stock1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca I remember my mom squirming into hers. My brother (age 5 or 6 at the most) did a parody of it (complete with grunts and groans) and we laughed til we cried! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings That's interesting. I wonder which of these dancers really did invent them... I'm just thankful that they are invented! I remember those horrible girdles I wore before pantyhose were available to us regular people. LynnD On 1/10/08, Sarah Paterson wrote: > > In Ginger Roger's autobiography, she claims the invention. > Sarah Paterson > > -----Original Message----- > > Ruth Anne asked if anyone had personal experience with pantyhose > before > 1962 > and Lauren listed Wikipedia's history. In 1962 I was 9-10 and still > wearing white socks to church. However, my understanding is that Ann > Miller - the dancer/actor/singer with the incredible legs - held the > patent for the first pantyhose as pantyhose. If you've ever seen her > dance in her many movies, she always lifts her skirts so you can see > how fast she's tapping and lifts them as high as possible; she really > did have amazingly beautiful, long legs into her 70s. Anyway, she > found a need for stockings that were higher than the usual stockings > and went from there. She was very big starting in the mid-late 1950s, > right? > > Time for me to watch "On the Town" and "Kiss Me Kate" again... > LynnD > > > On 1/10/08, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > > > > No, they were definitely pantyhose--like stockings but attached to, > > well, stocking panties. Nobody could tell we weren't bare-legged. > > --Ruth Anne > > > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:56 PM, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > My two cents: > > > 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights > > > as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention > > > the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights > > > or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, > > > either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch > > > is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th- > > > century breeches! > > > > > > 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but > > > prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I > > > remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. > > > Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the > > > ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first > > > recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's > > > costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The > > > tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed > > > some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in > > > flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale > > > pink) and might be what you remember wearing under your marching > > > band skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in > > > upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to > > > prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. > > > Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually > > > fit better. > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > > > >> As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) > > >> the recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with > > >> Bjarne's period stockings. > > >> > > >>> On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that > > >> pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I > > >> didn't routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but > > >> my friends Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, > > >> and Marcia would join me in testifying that our mothers found > > >> them, bought them, and saved our musical knees with them as early > > >> as 1962. Can anyone else pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? > > >> > > >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >> > > >> On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > >>> aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > > >>> > > >>> The best bet may be to layer stockings. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ************* > > >>> > > >>> This is what I was thinking too. > > >>> > > >>> Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair > > >>> of pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but > > >>> put your silk stockings over them and you should be quite > > >>> warm....unless it's like way below freezing. > > >>> The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > > >>> than likely undetectable under your correct period stockings. > > >>> > > >>> Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be > > >>> needed to keep you warm. Are there not depictions of men in > > >>> layers of different colored stockings...some rolled down a bit > > >>> to show the layers underneath? > > >>> Or is that too > > >>> early? Too dandy? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > >>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? > > >>> NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> h-costume mailing list > > >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> h-costume mailing list > > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 12 04:49:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C9nnio017530 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:49:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0C9nCUS025294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0C9mtKP013188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C9mtnD008376; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0C9mqoh008350 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACAA2DE0006E; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:47:22 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200801110150.m0B1oHvO028412@net.indra.com> <557921.4039.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] sweating sickness Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:48:46 -0800 Message-ID: <001401c85500$535d6610$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchUwAmBcPMqOh6/QPyHnSa4IbVwZgAP8cVg In-Reply-To: <557921.4039.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86022ec0-9e9d-42e7-8add-f538603d9d18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47888D18.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Probably had something to do with the native people having an immunity---for example, if you carry the sickle cell anemia gene, but don't have the disease, it gives you increased resistance against a common African disease (might be malaria, but I don't remember offhand). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carol Mitchell Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] sweating sickness One of the historical fiction novels I read year's ago mentioned that the disease had an uncanny ability to seek out Englishmen in other countries (diet, perhaps?) & also that it seemed to be associated with outbreaks of murrain in cattle. Does anyone know the modern name for that disease? Carol Mitchell Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:35:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca On Saturday 12 January 2008, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > Actually, I didn't think DBBC's price was much of a mark-up on the Swiss > euro's price of 53, what with the lovely exchange rate we are "enjoying" at > the moment. And shipping of $5 from CT sure beat 16 euros from > Switzerland! I thought the Lesestoff price was in Swiss francs, not Euros. xe.com says that 53 Swiss Francs is $48.16 in US dollars. Now, if the price really is in Euros, you're right: 53 Euros is $78.37. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:49:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0D0nE2p005506 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:49:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0D0mb1c001984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:48:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0CNlQ0p097814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0CNlODB035156; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0CNhsdB032186 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cNtZ1Y00817UAYk0A03X00; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:43:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cPjL1Y00C00zNUK8Z00000; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:43:21 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=p70PG_H8Ch1Ho0qH_dIA:9 a=73CYFmxc_hI7v_HkpDdQRqgfwCMA:4 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:43:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2bf8bb48-138a-4328-9b1d-65f0e49f899f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47895FE5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:48:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a place for this list to do so? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 07:31:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DCVDFs011150 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:31:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DCUaab018616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DCTqwW052363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DCTl7b037326; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DCThah037286 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1548417rvf.11 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:29:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FEch67WcdaIHvLbs+VE0h9KLh+0YMo02AdmPu9vH9uE=; b=N9NZr0lm/oqYtjkYPB9b91HKExCY8OxXeFK4Xm4W5LDuSsoEH4VvF50oG15fPDsi3yZ1A4pvvAvuue31Y0qivmYlnSpV0GiOHl/dDx6JTMGLV6i4sBdEPnhyqbClnH6Gbng5xdk0yu8GJ5LCIvLUuIDoEvQLer2KcWelb0bzE/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Xj7W3F3nMQ3PR/EUj1R5rgW3l9HCxTyqRPzqWIjr5ArLNRO9zCUH+qf4/rTq6JC7lfFzOsVuNnNAOhTSE/QUbqUzJTSsvxNuZIQWk/W2TFC2vfqXdye9bU6TLSf0w3BEE8Nyupzog+3jr3BRpZ3qAEYi2nl5wgJeMmcWC/ADH/Q= Received: by 10.141.37.8 with SMTP id p8mr3155126rvj.53.1200227383800; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.196.15 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:29:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90801130429i32bf2c67o86431d8d21fcfaed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:29:43 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be52e126-0805-4f1f-9bc1-8b4050f9c86d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478A046C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:30:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Hi, The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of the magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all the time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of sites that host collections of the images. Just google for them and you will get 100's Sidney On Jan 13, 2008 9:43 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. > I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn > up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what > holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just > seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from > the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. > > If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the > picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a > place for this list to do so? > > Sylrog > > ____________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 08:34:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DDYkKq014314 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:34:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DDY9Wu028020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:34:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DDXS35057431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DDXPLE081258; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0DDX6nu081006 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 24512 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 13:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.254.48 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 13:33:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qE5Q0GMVM1kJ6y_FY10bPNxpp1w1_u0bjlS2QTKkWoVmYZlqkyLfrKZpEasIPUQB8gJ25CyiGeRGjlLnG4yY5NnhVfJ92f31z7CPn5ZpY2riq6FoNDe9 Message-ID: <001501c855e8$d1242640$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:33:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f88019f9-f834-4dbb-bbe2-9c316a0eb84e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478A1351.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca I have the book but will have to search it out later. The volume is more a history about "Godey's Lady book", one of the leading fashion journals of the 19th Century. What is the approximate year of the hood you are trying to make?I am aware that this small history book also has illustrations taken from the larger year books of the magazine itself. If I knew the year, I could look it up in the original. (I have a sizable library of Godey's, Peterson's, Arthur's, and the Delinator) Also, do not forget the Costume Library (Penny Lardniere) as a resource. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies > Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I > started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in > the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what holds it in > place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more > complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from the 1850s-60s > before the complex bustle draping came in. > > If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I > can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a place for this > list to do so? > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 12:46:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DHk0J6024657 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:46:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DHj13K007872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:45:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DHiW4U081254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:44:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DHiPOP075091; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DGSwm6016078 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cbmL1Y0010xGWP8050Hw00; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:28:53 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cgUX1Y00H00zNUK3Y00000; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:28:32 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=v6h82quRH2fztMWofvIA:9 a=RdxQfmeuOAhhXuOgeHQA:7 a=zW4W3XnCqqRkzmH9vw5gGd9W4LoA:4 a=tr5bNmBxAU4A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <674184e90801130429i32bf2c67o86431d8d21fcfaed@mail.gmail.com> References: <674184e90801130429i32bf2c67o86431d8d21fcfaed@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:28:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b744cdf-6fb0-407e-b82e-9ab29dce74e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478A4E1D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:45:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning it though if anyone does happen to have the book. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: > Hi, > > The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of > the > magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all > the > time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. > > if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of > sites > that host collections of the images. > > Just google for them and you will get 100's > > Sidney > > On Jan 13, 2008 9:43 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page >> 63. >> I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is >> drawn >> up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what >> holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just >> seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's >> from >> the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. >> >> If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the >> picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a >> place for this list to do so? >> >> Sylrog >> >> ____________________________________> listinfo/h-costume> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:07:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DI7Xim025580 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:07:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DI6v3J003157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:07:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DI6Shl082950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DI6QaY000180; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:06:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0DI6MC5099916 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:06:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23157 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 18:06:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wjDTav03j3qjDCsWMKr2f2G6sFzLO2OS+PKlomdHKPYH2dGawzHr0xc6D1DGdKLAGCnEX2TyyEQEPSpYZhAsC50IjNGl0ieIwd8UrzxsNaIxjFSzgtrbrdhvmrgsp3WmVaLRvyGQOOgMpWLMxBInJh5mWCmCuTHSADzo7q5QJUo=; X-YMail-OSG: XQAj.XcVM1krWfyLA7ogeI0evHmxMqIevSokcuXtgxpF8rYjS1jxKPh7xQdeb2FO7b3EN35XHudtpjg5Lueyu1GkBNlwvgM3rDuXXA0RaLnZrnCpG4o- Received: from [216.37.253.38] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:06:15 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:06:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <847378.22584.qm@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19157199-b31d-45ab-bad7-92d74616cd2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478A5341.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:07:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Hi, I have a copy... Chris Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning it though if anyone does happen to have the book. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: > Hi, > > The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of > the > magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all > the > time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. > > if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of > sites > that host collections of the images. > > Just google for them and you will get 100's > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:15:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIFTI8025845 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:15:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DIEqSI009993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:14:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DIEUbU083617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIESjW006825; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIEJMC006607 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ccGi1Y00117dt5G050PV00; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:14:13 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ciDy1Y00100zNUK3Z00000; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:13:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=JvFVxFyIEGz54y4nuvkA:9 a=gaQ-aryeNmnnboWGVFcA:7 a=Attwd5qb8P10kAAwcZRUbNPltrEA:4 a=tr5bNmBxAU4A:10 a=oH_WKSxD8ioA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <847378.22584.qm@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <847378.22584.qm@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <99303e57cda712ee57bf6b768748a622@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:14:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ec3fc0f-a0e5-402d-bfda-4fec7361b640 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478A551C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:14:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over the top of the head. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote: > Hi, > > I have a copy... > > Chris > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". > I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I > think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning > it though if anyone does happen to have the book. > > Sylrog > > On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of >> the >> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all >> the >> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. >> >> if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of >> sites >> that host collections of the images. >> >> Just google for them and you will get 100's >> > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:33:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIX4lt026662 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:33:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DIVwqB019062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:32:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DIVODX085582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIVNCH021337; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0DIUjxM020757 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70488 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 18:30:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=16yiGArapRa14EyD359/64HQWPulpJzm4a7QInOOEwmvbdxH29mxQ1OM6tw1KZPxbhac3IxnpASmJeXqRb2O5l+rRWVpna+QpXsfKIpOg7cXKNKwWl038KX9cmwIyIa1lW/yQg7rBINTEmP6DV7cuKo8HVm3+sZpnKRaxO1Y+SI=; X-YMail-OSG: 6lDQx6AVM1nnnXfFi2stJ9PGTaL9lH1AURzn_Oru84JZNTz2JyVwJ59q7jZiqZeSe4PdkpCBaUcqNytvH9_3iY_.epeZxvnjbojsiMehk32beogXx7M- Received: from [216.37.253.38] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:30:39 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:30:39 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <99303e57cda712ee57bf6b768748a622@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <107979.70238.qm@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 382ea764-f817-44a8-8462-d20ddb1c1a82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478A591E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Ok, here's what the book says "The hood 'opposite' if intended for winter wear or a sea voyage. It is "of dark brown, green, or blue silk; the upper point or fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed with quilling of ribbon the same shade. It is becomming as well as servicable shape, and the short, round corners make it decidely new." So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you say, to cover the center seam of the hood. www.victorianmillinery.com has a picture of one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back... I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something better. Do you need a copy of this picture? I can scan it at work tomorrow and send it to you. Sylvia Rognstad wrote: My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over the top of the head. Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote: > Hi, > > I have a copy... > > Chris > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". > I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I > think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning > it though if anyone does happen to have the book. > > Sylrog > > On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of >> the >> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all >> the >> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. >> --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:39:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIdOAC026909 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:39:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DIcmAq029867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:38:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DIcXpv086301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIcVPT027713; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0DIcRl0027546 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:38:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 6807 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 18:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.174.58 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 18:38:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yR_0daYVM1mq3yUiC5FOC4QkX5CdPUDXgJzYkE0fEnoDiaxp9ZlEN0wggPKYXzYy_B8uuNdQeSlkZI6Es4uiMIaIGcEL3yXhtvEvCVqe4c31Iz6SP532 Message-ID: <000a01c85613$796ad130$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:37:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 651137c8-f400-49d5-abdb-95654b3a4610 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478A5AB8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:38:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca found the book and page: to me the curtaain seems to be fan-pleated with the fanchon (cuff) laid on from ear to ear. The pleating in the crown seems slightly rouched to cap the head. As you have suggested, there might be a lining in the head portion. In another similar hood in my collection, this inner cap is of wired straw, oval-shaped, and is set ear to ear. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies > Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I > started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in > the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out what holds it in > place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more > complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. It's from the 1850s-60s > before the complex bustle draping came in. > > If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I > can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a place for this > list to do so? > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:50:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIoFVw027267 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:50:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DInbtt027355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DIn7R1089565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIn2m2039507; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:49:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DImw5V039362 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cgNF1Y00P0QuhwU050Cd00; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:48:53 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cioY1Y00500zNUK3N00000; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:48:32 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=Az4YFw3ErYaSSclzoToA:9 a=09bZLybN94PJ86Xu6IcA:7 a=x81ufdM0Zv4urAYACwZGPn8igmcA:4 a=tr5bNmBxAU4A:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000a01c85613$796ad130$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <000a01c85613$796ad130$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:48:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec4705ea-a4fc-45d8-a3fe-66a23c2d79ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478A5D42.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca So it's fanchon, not fauchon? Is that the part that turns back or the separate layer that goes over the top? On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:37 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > found the book and page: to me the curtaain seems to be fan-pleated > with the fanchon (cuff) laid on from ear to ear. The pleating in the > crown seems slightly rouched to cap the head. As you have suggested, > there might be a lining in the head portion. In another similar hood > in my collection, this inner cap is of wired straw, oval-shaped, and > is set ear to ear. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies > > >> Does anyone have this book? I'm trying to pattern the hood on page >> 63. I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is >> drawn up in the back to form the pleats. If so, I can't figure out >> what holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that >> just seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong. >> It's from the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in. >> >> If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the >> picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere. Do we have a >> place for this list to do so? >> >> Sylrog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:55:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DItVuW027416 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:55:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0DIsrd1011397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DIscL2090690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIsb2T044564; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0DIsYUn044427 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cfm81Y00A0SCNGk050DQ00; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:54:29 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ciu11Y00200zNUK3V00000; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:54:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s-PUGuxyAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=GNdbLDOygryAmM1LYOQA:9 a=VsYfQZSAlnD2ZGfxkL0A:7 a=MlqLVlwU86BZnV5fC9Ig5yvhwZcA:4 a=tr5bNmBxAU4A:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <107979.70238.qm@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <107979.70238.qm@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9c0758a27fbf98ce2723d54faa24c9c0@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:54:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8f42ba6-0d84-4655-a7b6-5c45b22ec643 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478A5E7D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca What I ended up doing was to pattern a large hood, then draw it up in pleats to fit the head at the nape of the neck. I used a ribbon to hold the pleats in place with the ends tying under the neck. At first I had thought the ribbons extended from the bottom of the cuff or brim but I see in the sketch that the ends of such brim are free, so I figured the ribbon ties must be coming from the pleated area. I am making the hood to go with an old mid 19th c outfit I built years ago for use now in a workshop I'm giving. I was going to make a bonnet but I haven't been able to find one that shows the basic understructure from that period and they all look made out of straw anyhow. Does anyone know, for future reference, of any patterns for bonnets from this period? Sylrog On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris wrote: > Ok, here's what the book says "The hood 'opposite' if intended for > winter wear or a sea voyage. It is "of dark brown, green, or blue > silk; the upper point or fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed > with quilling of ribbon the same shade. It is becomming as well as > servicable shape, and the short, round corners make it decidely new." > > So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you > say, to cover the center seam of the hood. www.victorianmillinery.com > has a picture of one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back... > > I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something > better. Do you need a copy of this picture? I can scan it at work > tomorrow and send it to you. > > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what > the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote > calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure > out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over > the top of the head. > > Sylrog > > On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a copy... >> >> Chris >> >> Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". >> I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I >> think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning >> it though if anyone does happen to have the book. >> >> Sylrog >> >> On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of >>> the >>> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay >>> all >>> the >>> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. >>> > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:14:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca My son was home over the break and brought some movies he thought I would find interesting - he was right. However, I do have some questions regarding The Fountain. Does anybody know what the doublet Hugh Jackman's character wears is made of? We have a disagreement as to whether it was leather alternating with fabric or leather with alternating suede side/polished side. Also, the dress the Queen of Spain wears is gorgeous. Any ideas of where better photos might be avail? A google image search turned up a few but nothing really close enough to get a good look. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 03:15:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0E8FmSa009630 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:15:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0E8FBpT024649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:15:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0E8ETJD073070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0E8EGYX001957; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0E8EDAe001849 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:14:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CFD455197 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:14:12 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie Info Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:14:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <745649.78755.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1d99258-2e92-475b-ba0e-bc5631d720ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478B1A0F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:15:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca http://www.costumersguide.com/fountain/ref2.jpg http://www.costumersguide.com/fountain/ref12.jpg Looks like two types of leather finishes. De -----Original Message----- However, I do have some questions regarding The Fountain. Does anybody know what the doublet Hugh Jackman's character wears is made of? We have a disagreement as to whether it was leather alternating with fabric or leather with alternating suede side/polished side. Also, the dress the Queen of Spain wears is gorgeous. Any ideas of where better photos might be avail? A google image search turned up a few but nothing really close enough to get a good look. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 06:36:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EBa0Sm007212 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:36:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EBZNQs025602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:35:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EBYjBj005771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:34:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EBYdV1043091; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EBYYQt043000 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.60428544; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:34:16 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m0EBVtQ12333.; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:32:00 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:31:55 +0000 Message-Id: <478B482402000014000E0AD5@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:31:48 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200801110150.m0B1oHvP028412@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200801110150.m0B1oHvP028412@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudors and sweating sickness X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87e63581-db62-48dc-b1ee-4053c19493ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478B48FB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:35:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Julie wrote: >Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it couldn't be = that because it's tropical. Cholera was >mentioned as well. I was = thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in = 19...teens that killed so >many. Wasn't it called the Spanish Influenza? Not just in the US - my father's uncle, a Derbyshire vicar, died of it in = 1918 after taking many other victims' funerals, and it was widespread on = the European continent. I think malaria (ague) and cholera were recognised diseases in the 16th = century, so the sweating sickness must have been something different. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 10:57:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EFvOc0026241 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:57:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EFul2d013783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EFu8SL052128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EFtxOV092239; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EFtsoe092078 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JUN001DL5KTSTK0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:55:39 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tudors and sweating sickness In-reply-to: <478B482402000014000E0AD5@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb24c07d-53a9-4c06-896f-8bb07c8ed544 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478B863F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:56:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Eleonora of Toledo and her sons died of malaria in 1560. There were regular outbreaks in the Mamerra (Tuscany). Cosimo I, the Duke of Florence, (her husband, the boy's father) worked on draining the swampy area for years. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:32 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudors and sweating sickness Julie wrote: >Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it couldn't be that because it's tropical. Cholera was >mentioned as well. I was thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in 19...teens that killed so >many. Wasn't it called the Spanish Influenza? Not just in the US - my father's uncle, a Derbyshire vicar, died of it in 1918 after taking many other victims' funerals, and it was widespread on the European continent. I think malaria (ague) and cholera were recognised diseases in the 16th century, so the sweating sickness must have been something different. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 11:36:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EGaqqr028390 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EGaFjs014630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EGZln3058059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EGZjBl038160; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0EGZfJa037976 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 51198 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 16:35:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yehvJ2AU+xQ2MStQRc+Pq8bAJTyDPPr/jb/YMEbK/ND2Z3e/WTvyPRQEFScv21rdYx5YQr3Ro2zb63WR8TBJJucWuNNak1pf4pBtrxUFtrcPP4Mc1uFeYl/QbxK48yNWtCVs+QsTR/d42Nfxq/OhK8a1d27++PZ3xskPWAK1Bms=; X-YMail-OSG: Q6ULhkAVM1kngnRqaE8QxKXmOEMMfiZ4fPANPOAUMBnSQ91bg6A3q57cge2AAx7QTQ-- Received: from [69.217.151.165] by web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:35:36 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie Info To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <130795.44008.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5786a8fb-14cc-4287-aacc-07373218949f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478B8F7F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca That was my impression as well. I also thought the polished leather side appeared to have some type of tooled or embossed design. Thanks for the info. Rebecca --- otsisto wrote: > http://www.costumersguide.com/fountain/ref2.jpg > http://www.costumersguide.com/fountain/ref12.jpg > Looks like two types of leather finishes. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > However, I do have some questions regarding The > Fountain. > > Does anybody know what the doublet Hugh Jackman's > character wears is made of? We have a disagreement > as > to whether it was leather alternating with fabric or > leather with alternating suede side/polished side. > Also, the dress the Queen of Spain wears is > gorgeous. > Any ideas of where better photos might be avail? A > google image search turned up a few but nothing > really > close enough to get a good look. > > Thanks > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:33:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EHXhds030140 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:33:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EHX5wn002886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EHWRVO065842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:32:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EHWMvf009731; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EHWHCB009649 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e30so1364033fke.15 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=02w3XaEzaruV1qv50mYKTCbfKo2ZywfDpWvUNizwQFU=; b=UnJkvtxiT7IwuN5jkw5fEsc3AUD4lIPUTEGK3y8WeZ9ZkUqdKaCGXx5FKtqlhYxkeNtm2l32vqbImLWCNOy6gXta02l/0dbfyHXWNJTbhoS2E6RzJoVLTJzKxy4OkeGi0qmkM9orKr7vndtyZKfrjmLb4/C+pQPw1nmXFuhgJ78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A+6d3U/dtE4TmjFt795LDpcrSe9AF8IFapJogJRZCFBgJBEge+ID2pp5pxUwWAGEmCc2A2SLeethCERGOOCYax13eqJFQKIzupwcH/YEnJVA2uQxZRof/rJNdKKlRzswDa0yOJTKTvpglRl515IaU2h+2nX7njolMzBXf7ZmS1A= Received: by 10.78.184.2 with SMTP id h2mr7709543huf.27.1200331936577; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801140932k3622c5f8r9aba5e81ac47ecf4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:16 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies In-Reply-To: <9c0758a27fbf98ce2723d54faa24c9c0@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <107979.70238.qm@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9c0758a27fbf98ce2723d54faa24c9c0@ntw.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 826db3c4-fbfe-479f-bcdb-0f69d27129cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478B9CD1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:33:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Sylvia, that sounds like a good solution. You can find several Victorian millinery patterns, early to late Victorian, at Lynn McMaster's website. She owns a company that makes hat and bonnet patterns for several different periods of history. Here's her website: www.*lynn**mcmasters*.com/ LynnD Not that Lynn but a happy customer On 1/13/08, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > What I ended up doing was to pattern a large hood, then draw it up in > pleats to fit the head at the nape of the neck. I used a ribbon to > hold the pleats in place with the ends tying under the neck. At first > I had thought the ribbons extended from the bottom of the cuff or brim > but I see in the sketch that the ends of such brim are free, so I > figured the ribbon ties must be coming from the pleated area. > > I am making the hood to go with an old mid 19th c outfit I built years > ago for use now in a workshop I'm giving. I was going to make a bonnet > but I haven't been able to find one that shows the basic understructure > from that period and they all look made out of straw anyhow. Does > anyone know, for future reference, of any patterns for bonnets from > this period? > > Sylrog > > On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris wrote: > > > Ok, here's what the book says "The hood 'opposite' if intended for > > winter wear or a sea voyage. It is "of dark brown, green, or blue > > silk; the upper point or fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed > > with quilling of ribbon the same shade. It is becomming as well as > > servicable shape, and the short, round corners make it decidely new." > > > > So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you > > say, to cover the center seam of the hood. www.victorianmillinery.com > > has a picture of one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back... > > > > I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something > > better. Do you need a copy of this picture? I can scan it at work > > tomorrow and send it to you. > > > > > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what > > the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote > > calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure > > out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over > > the top of the head. > > > > Sylrog > > > > On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have a copy... > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". > >> I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I > >> think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning > >> it though if anyone does happen to have the book. > >> > >> Sylrog > >> > >> On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of > >>> the > >>> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay > >>> all > >>> the > >>> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized. > >>> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > > Search. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:39:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EIde4n000356 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:39:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EId0OU017388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:39:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EIaqNW076516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EIan5T096416; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EIajtb096225 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.188]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080114183639.BUWI5911.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:36:39 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.188]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080114183639.QJGW7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:36:39 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:35:22 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080114183639.QJGW7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Books: building a reference collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e603d54e-390f-4018-b304-b87e2f263be0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478BAC44.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:39:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca I have been loading a catalog of our reference collection online at www.librarything.com (user "Castlegrounds") You can see our textiles books at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=textiles&view=Castlegrounds and the costume books at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=costume&view=Castlegrounds Currently, I have most of my textile and costume books entered (still some to go on embroidery and weaving), but I still have lots of books in other categories yet to enter..... As I am actively adding to the collection, I would appreciate any suggestions of good costume and textile books (any language, SCA time period: 500-1600AD) that I have overlooked. Thank you, Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 15:23:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EKNDEa003885 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:23:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EKMBlD015227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:22:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EKLB2f092059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EKL0En027801; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EHLju8095209 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e30so1359659fke.15 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:21:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OEGXUQAe4eNpPL12pmL3dgfEd7xEAchr4MyTFMyqnzc=; b=cqh13MmqXxqK3nKQu0T5PLTvXTGJswu4A4WnPo4sjSONeO6PGUKOlVdc0UPHlR5Elx6YpiuYWVEW9tkIEveu5jd6ty2x1gRW1F7UPmSYxMDmho8Y5x/EtoxoxF5yHCj+kTmAQGYzUA98sJa1+OYQngV8hWVMW9ZFm1bdL5G9rug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=w/SeWlGJ+3rffhoJRL6sA4qvx26sMQw+cxxbVRkqNBtkvbpHFXxMpL5hZERcMji+njno4gJraw+AQ8ozvh0yxw3DJRP0JOBx0lPrs8WU09x0eSPhiEp2sHwunluqbVHSGgZAf7y3/ya1J8Kn3keHo6GbtxKhZ5Ux+RdmNymh+r4= Received: by 10.78.138.14 with SMTP id l14mr7671078hud.57.1200331302598; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:21:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801140921x3e4f258chbe604eea39953e63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:21:42 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] sweating sickness In-Reply-To: <001401c85500$535d6610$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200801110150.m0B1oHvO028412@net.indra.com> <557921.4039.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <001401c85500$535d6610$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 66768891-4088-4b1e-aac8-ad322216e500 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478BC473.00F by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:22:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Yes, the mutation that gives resistance to malaria becomes sickle cell disease if both sides of your family have the mutation (I work with scientists who have worked on sickle cell research). A google search on 'murraine disease' came up with definitions of a highly infectious viral diseasewith a fever attacking cattle and sometimes sheep, so they still use the same term. "MURRAIN (A *DISEASE* OF LIVESTOCK) A plague of *...* The *Murraine* an Egyptian distemper prevalent amongst the cattle upon the *..."* LynnD On 1/12/08, Sharon Collier wrote: > > Probably had something to do with the native people having an > immunity---for > example, if you carry the sickle cell anemia gene, but don't have the > disease, it gives you increased resistance against a common African > disease > (might be malaria, but I don't remember offhand). > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Carol Mitchell > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:36 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] sweating sickness > > > One of the historical fiction novels I read year's ago mentioned that the > disease had an uncanny ability to seek out Englishmen in other countries > (diet, perhaps?) & also that it seemed to be associated with outbreaks of > murrain in cattle. Does anyone know the modern name for that disease? > Carol Mitchell > > > Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest > www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Hi Beth and Happy New Year! Thanks so much for sharing this. This is going to be an excellent cross-reference tool for me. All the Best, Chris R. Beth and Bob Matney wrote: I have been loading a catalog of our reference collection online at www.librarything.com (user "Castlegrounds") You can see our textiles books at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=textiles&view=Castlegrounds and the costume books at: http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?tag=costume&view=Castlegrounds Currently, I have most of my textile and costume books entered (still some to go on embroidery and weaving), but I still have lots of books in other categories yet to enter..... As I am actively adding to the collection, I would appreciate any suggestions of good costume and textile books (any language, SCA time period: 500-1600AD) that I have overlooked. Thank you, Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 15:28:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EKSCAe004093 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:28:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EKRPPm019350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EKQfqn093042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EKQako034552; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EKPmqD033465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 5E1752C80AF for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:25:35 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c8K6obU872-n for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:25:27 +0900 (WST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (host-84-9-121-105.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.121.105]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id 180BB2C8099 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:25:25 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Hilary Davidson Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:25:28 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59bdf47e-154f-4800-8cc3-4dc32f134576 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478BC5AD.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:27:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca The Spanish influenza pandemic killed at least 20 million people worldwide after world war I, even in isolated corners, and some estimates put it as high as 100 million. It was the worst mass illness since the Black Death. A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European settlers reached there. He also said that it's looking like wormwood - active ingredient in absinthe - is as effective as quinine for easing attacks. But I'm not sure what his sources are. >> Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it >> couldn't be = > that because it's tropical. Cholera was >mentioned as well. I was = > thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in = > 19...teens that killed so >many. Wasn't it called the Spanish > Influenza? > > Not just in the US - my father's uncle, a Derbyshire vicar, died of > it in = > 1918 after taking many other victims' funerals, and it was > widespread on = > the European continent. > > I think malaria (ague) and cholera were recognised diseases in the > 16th = > century, so the sweating sickness must have been something different. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:22:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELM6Mo005129 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:22:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELLRA0027042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELKkX6001242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELKcbo003056; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELKSct002759 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id ECCF94C1FB for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:55:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7C2614C1D4 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:55:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1C824008C for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:20:25 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:20:30 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu Thread-Index: AchW69dz6rCN9sRRQ2aeWNoKYLDXFAABXlwQ References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3a16a11-82fc-4a3d-8a3a-8b53bb4b0ce6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478BD257.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Despite its name: The Spanish influenza or Spanish Lady, modern researchers think the 1918-1919 flu pandemic began somewhere in Asia and it was of swine origin and a new or very long dormant mutation. Like the sweating sickness, it could kill its victims rapidly, although not as fast as the late medieval outbreaks of "merry at dinner, dead by supper" strains. While most flu pandemics have higher mortality rates among the very young and the very old, the 1918-19 outbreak seemed to find its more vulnerable victims in the 18-40 age group. Some researchers theorize that a late 1890's and a circa 1902 flu outbreaks might have confered some kind of immunity to the older sector of the population who survived one or both. Another theory is that many in the 18-40 age group in Europe were soldiers and war-workers whose immune systems were under especial strain. We don't know enough about the sweating sickness, but it too seemed to have many young and middle-aged adults among its victims and it isn't too much of a stretch for us to think that it might have been a very rapid, very virilent influenza strain. Cindy Abel =20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hilary Davidson Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:25 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu The Spanish influenza pandemic killed at least 20 million people worldwide after world war I, even in isolated corners, and some estimates put it as high as 100 million. It was the worst mass illness since the Black Death. A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European settlers reached there. He also said that it's looking like wormwood - active ingredient in absinthe - is as effective as quinine for easing attacks. But I'm not sure what his sources are. >> Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it=20 >> couldn't be =3D > that because it's tropical. Cholera was >mentioned as well. I was = =3D=20 > thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in =3D=20 > 19...teens that killed so >many. Wasn't it called the Spanish=20 > Influenza? > > Not just in the US - my father's uncle, a Derbyshire vicar, died of it > in =3D > 1918 after taking many other victims' funerals, and it was widespread=20 > on =3D the European continent. > > I think malaria (ague) and cholera were recognised diseases in the=20 > 16th =3D century, so the sweating sickness must have been something=20 > different. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:25:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELP91J005215 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELOUto001046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:24:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELO57x001970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:24:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELNxI1007447; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0ELNqup007168 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD2ZWY2AJTNQGJ for (sender ); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsskOqWoKqo3xxy5Q3EMCd9xA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M9FRYXMJ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:22:42 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:15:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu Message-ID: <20080114.132239.904.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-18,20-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 7:3:3049395014 X-MAIL-INFO: 1ee0a00ca96d3011708d2070797960b009a470858939c9d4a1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d90884b-67fe-4f74-a5a3-c4e3d32aa6bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478BD30E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:24:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:25:28 +0000 Hilary Davidson writes: > > The Spanish influenza pandemic killed at least 20 million people > worldwide after world war I, even in isolated corners, and some > estimates put it as high as 100 million. It was the worst mass > illness since the Black Death. > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > > Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was > tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European > > settlers reached there. He also said that it's looking like wormwood > > - active ingredient in absinthe - is as effective as quinine for > easing attacks. But I'm not sure what his sources are. I was very suprised to learn that malaria is also fairly prevalent in Oregon. Apparently it has something to do with the rain forests. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:38:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELcUBG005614 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:38:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELbq13005602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELbDEE003642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELb7Qn023570; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELaxBB023408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:37:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.101] (dial-209-148-99-101.sonic.net [209.148.99.101] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m0ELavgM011354 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:36:58 -0800 Message-ID: <478BD60B.8010704@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:37:15 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ac57124-d7a8-4310-9eb8-85451a775c2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478BD630.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:37:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Some modern researchers think the 1918 Spanish Influenza was a bird flu: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1005_051005_bird_flu.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171329,00.html Some think it originated in Kansas: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=340389 Personally, I think a modern bird flu pandemic is not unlikely. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Abel, Cynthia wrote: > Despite its name: The Spanish influenza or Spanish Lady, modern > researchers think the 1918-1919 flu pandemic began somewhere in Asia and > it was of swine origin and a new or very long dormant mutation. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:42:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELggda005786 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:42:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELg4M2024520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELfiHY004659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELffQ9029622; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:41:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELfYSc029349 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:41:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4226116218 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:41:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <478BD700.5020205@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:41:20 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c39c0ef7-26ad-4a99-adce-c14615e7fc23 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478BD72C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:42:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca > the 1918-19 outbreak seemed to find its more vulnerable victims in the 18-40 age group. Some researchers theorize that a late 1890's and a circa 1902 flu outbreaks might have confered > some kind of immunity to the older sector of the population who survived > one or both. Another theory is that many in the 18-40 age group in > Europe were soldiers and war-workers whose immune systems were under > especial strain. There is very new research, just from 2007, based on samples taken from known victims, that the 1918 flu caused a severe over-reaction of the immune system which resulted in the body shutting down. This article discusses it: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060927201707.htm >I was very suprised to learn that malaria is also fairly prevalent in >Oregon. Apparently it has something to do with the rain forests. It's carried by mosquitoes and transmitted in the blood when they bite you. Any place where it is moist enough for mosquitoes to lay eggs and breed is a potential habitat for malaria. OB costume: I can remember my grandmother talking about the flu epidemic, and the friends she lost as a girl. She also remarked that she hated the dropped waist styles of the time. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:59:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELxAlh006293 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:59:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELwWh7003430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:58:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELvfUi006913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:57:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELvdtp048199; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELvXZC048059 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) id <01MQ4BG8QX68AOKN6H@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:57:29 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.200.219] (rcmt-cad45.law.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.200.219]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-1 #31493) with ESMTPA id <01MQ4BG92RQ8AJKLMI@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:57:29 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:57:27 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu In-reply-to: <478BD60B.8010704@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <478BDAC7.1080504@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> <478BD60B.8010704@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47a7286a-9921-4d07-98fc-020a16198cf3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478BDB08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:58:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Lavolta Press wrote: > Personally, I think a modern bird flu pandemic is not unlikely. Personally, I'm more worried about the human-being flu. (Costume content-- I have decent looking pyjamas in my drawer, in case I have to go to the hospital.) -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:59:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELxSlM006302 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:59:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELwj5i027288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:58:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELwCSq007052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELwBGN048892; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELw61o048767 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7FF8C4C2B8 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:32:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 126CF4C2AA for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:32:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A07E1800C1 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:58:05 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:58:10 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <478BD700.5020205@reddawn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu Thread-Index: AchW9mxkjtkr2RdJReat8Su7ry3mZAAAWikg References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> <478BD700.5020205@reddawn.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f030d08-c54c-4cd5-8a64-ce42fd3468d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478BDB15.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Thanks, Dawn! That would also explain why so many of the victims of the sweating sickness died rapidly. The immune system, sent into overdrive, would produce such a rapid fever and profuse sweating that even modern medical care might be taxed just to replace the fluids and nutrients lost through sweating, let alone treating the flu itself. Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu > the 1918-19 outbreak seemed to find its more vulnerable victims in the 18-40 age group. Some researchers theorize that a late 1890's and a circa 1902 flu outbreaks might have confered > some kind of immunity to the older sector of the population who=20 > survived one or both. Another theory is that many in the 18-40 age=20 > group in Europe were soldiers and war-workers whose immune systems=20 > were under especial strain. There is very new research, just from 2007, based on samples taken from known victims, that the 1918 flu caused a severe over-reaction of the immune system which resulted in the body shutting down. This article discusses it: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060927201707.htm >I was very suprised to learn that malaria is also fairly prevalent in=20 >Oregon. Apparently it has something to do with the rain forests. It's carried by mosquitoes and transmitted in the blood when they bite you. Any place where it is moist enough for mosquitoes to lay eggs and breed is a potential habitat for malaria.=20 OB costume: I can remember my grandmother talking about the flu epidemic, and the friends she lost as a girl. She also remarked that she hated the dropped waist styles of the time. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:00:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EM0BM4006358 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ELxX5B022159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:59:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ELx6RK007118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELx5kM049930; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ELwx8Y049821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.101] (dial-209-148-99-101.sonic.net [209.148.99.101] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m0ELwvCQ010318 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:58:58 -0800 Message-ID: <478BDB34.4000300@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:59:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sweating sickness X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ab268eb-5f63-4d47-a1ed-6a3c8847affe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478BDB45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:59:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca I don't know if someone already said this, but some modern researchers think the sweating sickness was a hantavirus: http://discovermagazine.com/1997/jun/thesweatingsickn1161 and some don't: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/64095-sweating-sickness-english-sweat.html Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:11:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMBrAW006840 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:11:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EMBAAG002168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EMAo46008361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMAlnt062552; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMAehA062428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.101] (dial-209-148-99-101.sonic.net [209.148.99.101] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m0EMAdrV011170 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:10:39 -0800 Message-ID: <478BDDF1.6030109@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:10:57 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu References: <200801141902.m0EJ22Qu029450@net.indra.com> <478BD60B.8010704@lavoltapress.com> <478BDAC7.1080504@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <478BDAC7.1080504@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1350f0a-2e0e-4604-8871-726367486f44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478BDDFE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:11:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Not exactly costume content but: My brother-in-law has a business making indoor tents (that you put on the bed) and mosquito nets to protect from bedbugs, mosquitoes, etc. Any insect outside the tent trying to get in. He spent years, pretty much full time, traveling in third-world countries, and he's really into epidemics. Or rather, protecting against them. He sells most of his merchandise to low-budget travelers to Africa, Asia, etc., also missionaries, foreign aid workers, and so on. This is a guy who taught himself to design and sew by looking at all kinds of tents, etc. He's never taken a sewing class, public or private instruction, in his life. I did buy him a _Reader's Digest Guide to Sewing_ after hearing him try to describe kinds of seams in terms like "the kind that folds over and then over again." I don't know if he ever used it. He's had a successful business for 15 years or so and now employs other people to do all the sewing, except sometimes when there's a real rush. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Adele de Maisieres wrote: > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Personally, I think a modern bird flu pandemic is not unlikely. > > > > > Personally, I'm more worried about the human-being flu. > > (Costume content-- I have decent looking pyjamas in my drawer, in case I > have to go to the hospital.) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:31:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMVL7o007447 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:31:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EMUZac019592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EMTopl010431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMTjJh083943; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMTdcQ083681 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W43 ([65.55.136.78]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:29:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.143.30.140] From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:34 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080114180926.EA81D439F2@webmailsmtp1.localnet.sys> References: <20080114180926.EA81D439F2@webmailsmtp1.localnet.sys> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2008 22:29:34.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[F084EE10:01C856FC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help interpreting a source, 1340 Spain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87632c54-1940-4486-84a9-4f15998d7501 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478BE28C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:30:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca One of my colleagues tossed me a couple of questions that are way out of my= area. I reproduce them below, with his permission.=20 1. He is looking at a quotation from Juan Ruiz' Book of Good love (1340). T= he passage describes an encounter with the serrana Menga Lloriente, a rusti= c woman. Ruiz has Menga ask for a "prendero" of "bermejo pano". My colleagu= e thinks this may be some sort of hair ribbon, or possibly fabric. He write= s: "It seems to have a restraining function. The word is prendero and the c= olor bermejo and fabric or form pano which does not necessarily denote narr= owness." He recognizes that the word "scarlet" could of course be either red silk (s= uch as that used for narrow ware) or a fine wool fabric (which may or may n= ot be red), and wonders if this might indicate a wool band. I think this is= unlikely, as scarlet was a heavy broadcloth and not likely to be used for = hairbands. (Hoods, maybe.) I am not quite sure why he thinks that scarlet i= s involved in this quotation (but I don't know the words "berjemo" or "pano= " so perhaps one of them is translated as "scarlet"). He also says, though: "The speaker is a herder, a rustic woman and it does = not seem as if she could expect as a gift a entire hood as she would probab= ly have used a different word." He points to an image in Anderson's Hispanic Costume (fig. 302): "I have se= en what appears to be small ware ribbons on "fancy" serving women from 1490= coming around the head once over the hair and then form a second or double= loop coming down over the forehead a bit like what you would see of the fr= ontal loop if you removed an opaque coif." I pass that to you for completen= ess, but I told him that I would strongly advise against using hairstyles o= f 1490 to make sense of a quotation from 1340. Even if (as he believes) Spa= nish style was relatively constant, 150 years is a very broad gap in a peri= od known for extensive fashion changes elsewhere in Europe, and hairstyle i= s one of the most mutable elements of dress.=20 2. He also asks, "Have you ever used Talavera? He seems obsessed primarily = with royal excess and I wonder how reliable he is on earlier bourgeois cost= ume." He adds, at my request for explanation, that "Talavera was the confes= sor to Isabel and Archbishop of Grenada. He wrote a famous account of Spani= sh fashion very detailed and full of criticism of excess." Help on either most gratefully accepted; I will pass responses on to my col= league. Thanks, Robin _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference= . http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_watchcause= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:48:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMmijf008051 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:48:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EMm6oi013404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:48:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EMlPut012490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMlLOf003659; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EMlHid003505 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d1e.183096fb (39955) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 737d0bef-a09e-437b-bf91-5aac2212134b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478BE6A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:48:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca =20 A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in =20 A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in =20 Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was =20 tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European =20 settlers reached there. =20 ***************************=20 Hold the phone!=20 Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease found only in Africans and their =20 descendants, I believe, that one gets if one inherits 2 genes that cause th= e=20 shape of their red corpusles to become sickle-like. A single copy of the ge= ne=20 makes one very resistant to Malaria...changing the shape of the cell just=20 enough so the Malaria parasite cannot recognize them and attack. So it is a= =20 genetic trait that has evolved to help those exposed to the disease for=20 centuries....malenia...to survive. The deaths from the unfortunate inherita= nce of 2=20 genes from the parents apparently, in genetic terms, are acceptable losses.= =20 I don't think this kind of thing, this genetic reaction to Malaria, could=20 evolve in the, relatively speaking, short time Europeans have been in Afric= a.=20 It definitely implies Africans have been dealing with it for a much longer=20 time.=20 >From Wikipedia:=20 Malaria has infected humans for over 50,000 years, and may have been a human= =20 _pathogen_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogen) for the entire history=20 of our species._[2]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-1) Indeed,= =20 close relatives of the human malaria parasites remain common in chimpanzees= ,=20 our closest relatives._[3]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-2)=20= =20 References to the unique periodic fevers of malaria are found throughout=20 recorded history, beginning in 2700 BC in China._[4]_=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-3) The term malaria originates= from _Medieval_=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) _Italian_=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language) : mala aria =E2=80=94 "_bad= air_=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory_of_disease) "; and the disease=20= was formerly called _ague_=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ague) or marsh fever due to its association=20= with swamps. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. =20 http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:01:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EN1WRi008487 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:01:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EN0tJu020852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0EN0ZOK013823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EN0WhO018122; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0EN0OWO017825 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.106]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080114230014.VETE15841.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:14 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.106]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080114230013.YSJL6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:13 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:58:49 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books: building a reference collection In-Reply-To: <200801142247.m0EMlN9e003698@net.indra.com> References: <200801142247.m0EMlN9e003698@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080114230013.YSJL6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f506e3ae-4817-4c81-ba42-85d6e45067f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478BE9A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:00:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca You are most welcome Chris. If you come across a good reference that is not listed, please post to the list or me personally. Thanks, Beth At 04:47 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) >From: Chris > >Hi Beth and Happy New Year! > > Thanks so much for sharing this. This is going to be an > excellent cross-reference tool for me. > > All the Best, > Chris R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:55:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ENtd2d011429 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:55:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ENsqnM026243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:55:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ENnOAC018516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ENn72o067754; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ENn5op067656 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e30so1506826fke.15 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:48:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=uIqLpWngTiFbCsJ1YKCw8Yh7jAXUgbVnx9rrJi6jooU=; b=TXIVakhEMC/puCUCG88sq5f04S6rQ2yFGOmOC7XQj22ZLVEB5jxeXKRoSHPvc9oDdPPMZWfzjlm5P7vQrl7T8yNhkUTk6i2AGcqOAn7qazsF2ogl9VkGfQX75l/0owuPYk+PnBOTmDnV//qGsXePCQs1wXz/a/xkh841LN9B7Gc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F0IMsO7Tx5gwpdB+SwxKqCYKStpbKkM2pA8j3olBKdGzuSo1J6DAscDoQPSVOOUTyfpxr4KIqAGoIv8+AT9sFiFqmrmUw4OOy6aaOKkGJStatusA2yaUrAInNO/8plU+1e7CtD5oLIou1sSu1W17ZgSM65jX62iYcMUuJRR4g6s= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr8321635hue.53.1200354539437; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:48:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801141548qef96d7vad2e009a21fb14fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:48:59 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d8b1658-6e46-456f-b9fb-f1a47c61b88e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478BF64C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:55:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Yes, Albert is right about African malaria to sickle cell disease. however, thalassemia or beta thalassemia is the Middle Eastern version of sickle cell. One sees it in the US when two middle eastern people with the gene protecting them from malaria marry; their child/ren may get the thalassemia disease and all the problems connected to sickle cell disease. LynnD Not enough middle eastern blood to have gotten it On 1/14/08, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was > tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European > settlers reached there. > *************************** > Hold the phone! > Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease found only in Africans and their > descendants, I believe, that one gets if one inherits 2 genes that cause > the > shape of their red corpusles to become sickle-like. A single copy of the > gene > makes one very resistant to Malaria...changing the shape of the cell jus= t > enough so the Malaria parasite cannot recognize them and attack. So it i= s > a > genetic trait that has evolved to help those exposed to the disease for > centuries....malenia...to survive. The deaths from the unfortunate > inheritance of 2 > genes from the parents apparently, in genetic terms, are acceptable > losses. > I don't think this kind of thing, this genetic reaction to Malaria, coul= d > evolve in the, relatively speaking, short time Europeans have been in > Africa. > It definitely implies Africans have been dealing with it for a much > longer > time. > >From Wikipedia: > Malaria has infected humans for over 50,000 years, and may have been a > human > _pathogen_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogen) for the entire > history > of our species._[2]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-1 > ) Indeed, > close relatives of the human malaria parasites remain common in > chimpanzees, > our closest relatives._[3]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-= 2 > ) > References to the unique periodic fevers of malaria are found throughout > recorded history, beginning in 2700 BC in China._[4]_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-3) The term malaria > originates from _Medieval_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) _Italian_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language) : mala aria =97 "_bad ai= r_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory_of_disease) "; and the > disease was formerly called _ague_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ague) or marsh fever due to its > association with swamps. > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 19:31:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F0VbK8012916 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0F0Uwim012315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0F0TJNN022731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F0THKu007802; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F0TC6m007721 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so2141518fga.11 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=NsDhqght0nOP+WB/LoUF2W2tE1fBwPBNionOZ2+8KtU=; b=V4UqOZzsykpbXNvVOnBArIYqPYu30qXoZloOlbTZZ46Wwjw65ZspAUpW2b6sVrCu+sDcpui4dByE9RMTaTBM2JOfcn8K6L2OMJkCID6iQ3bMH9CM1frHRUXeXtjhySL13li/QvNq975zn/Lukn2MmvJ5uTDgkbj8Kgyo1QxaLjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=p0nJwybx2nFWiFpUDI5QB0i1lKoHQoJwfltzgRjruIqTIgCEFfVVRANruS3ecwGHMwL4nSqZanHXZjJsqPMMbkgeehKh2dY9AW23akvZEiHO3P+Ch0V9i87E38HiYSZVTmiGnVoY4U3dy61xsLkPV8GjM6nZn/EGPAwEN4j1aPs= Received: by 10.78.188.10 with SMTP id l10mr8363618huf.14.1200356951850; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.40.1 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190801141629y7adcfe00kdc800820ca756704@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:29:11 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Malaria X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 247787a2-23a3-4ab1-82c7-79f2db61c792 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478BFEC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca If there really is resistance to malaria in the modern European population, might it not also mean that there was more intermarriage between Africans and Europeans than is traditionally supposed? Though I'm skeptical as I've not heard of particular genetic resistance in Europeans against malaria, there is a provocative theory that suggests that the descendants of survivors of the historic black death epidemics might have a genetic component that ALSO makes them resistant to HIV infection: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/index.html I have nothing off-topic to add - the history of disease and how disease affects history is a peculiar side interest of mine. Allison T. On Jan 14, 2008 5:47 PM, wrote: > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:08 EST > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" > > > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was > tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European > settlers reached there. > *************************** > Hold the phone! > Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease found only in Africans and their > descendants, I believe, that one gets if one inherits 2 genes that cause= the > shape of their red corpusles to become sickle-like. A single copy of the= gene > makes one very resistant to Malaria...changing the shape of the cell jus= t > enough so the Malaria parasite cannot recognize them and attack. So it i= s a > genetic trait that has evolved to help those exposed to the disease for > centuries....malenia...to survive. The deaths from the unfortunate inher= itance of 2 > genes from the parents apparently, in genetic terms, are acceptable loss= es. > I don't think this kind of thing, this genetic reaction to Malaria, coul= d > evolve in the, relatively speaking, short time Europeans have been in Af= rica. > It definitely implies Africans have been dealing with it for a much long= er > time. > >From Wikipedia: > Malaria has infected humans for over 50,000 years, and may have been a hu= man > _pathogen_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogen) for the entire histo= ry > of our species._[2]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-1) Inde= ed, > close relatives of the human malaria parasites remain common in chimpanz= ees, > our closest relatives._[3]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-= 2) > References to the unique periodic fevers of malaria are found throughout > recorded history, beginning in 2700 BC in China._[4]_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-3) The term malaria origina= tes from _Medieval_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) _Italian_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language) : mala aria =E2=80" "_ba= d air_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory_of_disease) "; and the disea= se was formerly called _ague_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ague) or marsh fever due to its associati= on with swamps. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 19:31:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F0Vdhp012922 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0F0Uvhu012561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0F0TL6c022732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F0TLjY007867; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F0THIG007726 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so1513228fka.0 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=NsDhqght0nOP+WB/LoUF2W2tE1fBwPBNionOZ2+8KtU=; b=V4UqOZzsykpbXNvVOnBArIYqPYu30qXoZloOlbTZZ46Wwjw65ZspAUpW2b6sVrCu+sDcpui4dByE9RMTaTBM2JOfcn8K6L2OMJkCID6iQ3bMH9CM1frHRUXeXtjhySL13li/QvNq975zn/Lukn2MmvJ5uTDgkbj8Kgyo1QxaLjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=p0nJwybx2nFWiFpUDI5QB0i1lKoHQoJwfltzgRjruIqTIgCEFfVVRANruS3ecwGHMwL4nSqZanHXZjJsqPMMbkgeehKh2dY9AW23akvZEiHO3P+Ch0V9i87E38HiYSZVTmiGnVoY4U3dy61xsLkPV8GjM6nZn/EGPAwEN4j1aPs= Received: by 10.78.188.10 with SMTP id l10mr8363618huf.14.1200356951850; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.40.1 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190801141629y7adcfe00kdc800820ca756704@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:29:11 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Malaria X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4292009-28ae-4cee-9714-168011de999f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478BFEC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:31:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca If there really is resistance to malaria in the modern European population, might it not also mean that there was more intermarriage between Africans and Europeans than is traditionally supposed? Though I'm skeptical as I've not heard of particular genetic resistance in Europeans against malaria, there is a provocative theory that suggests that the descendants of survivors of the historic black death epidemics might have a genetic component that ALSO makes them resistant to HIV infection: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/index.html I have nothing off-topic to add - the history of disease and how disease affects history is a peculiar side interest of mine. Allison T. On Jan 14, 2008 5:47 PM, wrote: > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:08 EST > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" > > > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > A friend who does research on malaria once told me it originated in > Europe, which was a surprise because I'd always thought it was > tropical. Apparently it was unknown in tropical areas until European > settlers reached there. > *************************** > Hold the phone! > Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease found only in Africans and their > descendants, I believe, that one gets if one inherits 2 genes that cause= the > shape of their red corpusles to become sickle-like. A single copy of the= gene > makes one very resistant to Malaria...changing the shape of the cell jus= t > enough so the Malaria parasite cannot recognize them and attack. So it i= s a > genetic trait that has evolved to help those exposed to the disease for > centuries....malenia...to survive. The deaths from the unfortunate inher= itance of 2 > genes from the parents apparently, in genetic terms, are acceptable loss= es. > I don't think this kind of thing, this genetic reaction to Malaria, coul= d > evolve in the, relatively speaking, short time Europeans have been in Af= rica. > It definitely implies Africans have been dealing with it for a much long= er > time. > >From Wikipedia: > Malaria has infected humans for over 50,000 years, and may have been a hu= man > _pathogen_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogen) for the entire histo= ry > of our species._[2]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-1) Inde= ed, > close relatives of the human malaria parasites remain common in chimpanz= ees, > our closest relatives._[3]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-= 2) > References to the unique periodic fevers of malaria are found throughout > recorded history, beginning in 2700 BC in China._[4]_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#_note-3) The term malaria origina= tes from _Medieval_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) _Italian_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language) : mala aria =E2=80" "_ba= d air_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory_of_disease) "; and the disea= se was formerly called _ague_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ague) or marsh fever due to its associati= on with swamps. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 20:23:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F1Nl6I015168 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:23:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0F1N96Q027894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0F1LQfp026446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F1LIkJ046556; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F1LGji046469 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2598875pyc.4 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:21:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=+8vlEcf6PAWnyR2haOOouotsveJ+cgFi+LHHJseU4QE=; b=ZG5FOvWZqXxAkv1V8m5PP9c4I2DpT7ABuo4DXeqvkzdRli2Zz9AzzivetaVjtFyh/LF5zgBThSE6AzH7pQhy/MKOoiOnUDJ25/r10VfJKZ0jehef8yeq+7VcWc3ee1NppfKlON967+hN4EEmN+o1oGuUh9S5s3Qx0+ZVMmV7pbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=wK6z0sHHvCvOktPRf7n4o6gHxzLDqW5udnITmQhL7yKZ4gp1vjtQ5b5FJsVpo62mw6dQKK3Bvfv9ALVkJ2wEGmwxGimS4/ebWymepcHrgoEkL0e6ivZh1YjVCAaUDElJaB5C7/UbFr+0Bw8GruYCGpo+UJsjHn83NE2fs1BRfC0= Received: by 10.65.242.11 with SMTP id u11mr16008831qbr.19.1200360070310; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e1sm6051749nzd.26.2008.01.14.17.21.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:21:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fa501c85715$291179c0$5200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080114180926.EA81D439F2@webmailsmtp1.localnet.sys> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help interpreting a source, 1340 Spain Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:22:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c303d83d-58f1-43b9-b332-8fdc6080265d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478C0AFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:23:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_FINGER_02 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" <<...I am not quite sure why he thinks that scarlet is involved in this quotation (but I don't know the words "berjemo" or "pano" so perhaps one of them is translated as "scarlet").>> "Berjemo" is an archaic word for red, though it can be used to refer to non-scarlet red. For example, the Red Sea is translated as "el Mar Berjemo" rather than "el Mar Rojo" in older Spanish texts; horses, wine, food, and many other non-scarlet things are described as berjemo. (I can't think of the right grammatical terms for this concept, but the word doesn't stand alone: if you were to try to use it to say "It is red" what you would actually be saying is, "It is a red object." But that's more the sense I get from the context I've seen it in, rather than something I'm certain is a grammatical rule.) Is the word "pano" or "paño"? The usage of "paño" I'm most familiar with is simply "cloth" or perhaps "pall," though in some uses it's more like "kerchief" which would perhaps make the most sense here. To be slightly more specific, it's "a cloth" rather than just "cloth"--it's an item that's in its finished state AS a cloth, like a head cloth or a dish cloth or a cloth you knead dough on. I've also seen it used as fabric terminology: in the early 17thC, "paño" was a Spanish-style cloth, usually woolen & of good quality. (See "The Mixtecs of Colonial Oaxaca" by Kevin Terraciano for the usage of "paño" as a specific type of cloth in trade accounts.) Putting together the words "red" and "high quality wool" it's really not much of a leap to think of scarlet, though I do think it's still a leap, especially when a mountain woman (serrana) is involved in the getting or gifting of it--I wouldn't think scarlet would exactly be readily available to her, would you? "Prenderó" (verb) means something along the lines of acquiring an object. In other words, "He/she took it." (In terms of common root words and cognates, think "apprehend.") The word survives in Italian in the same sense. A "prendero" (noun) is a second-hand dealer, fence, or pawnbroker--in other words, one who takes the object or receives the object that was taken. In the noun sense, it's a bit old-fashioned, (say, early 20thC) but I don't think I'd call it entirely archaic. So based on the snippet provided, it sounds like the guy either took a red cloth from Menga, or he sent her to go get him a red cloth. Or, to fit the context exactly as provided, he demanded/asked her for it as a gift, perhaps in a slightly Mafia sort of way. All that said, I couldn't quite find the question on #1--was it confusion about the translations? On #2, I'm only familiar with Talavera as a location, so I'm no help there. -E House (NOT an expert at archaic Spanish, but I did grow up reading the Reina Valera bible and other archaic spanish texts. However, I don't think any of them went as far back as 1340, so, y'know, big grain of salt on whether or not 17thC Spanish applies to 14thC Spanish...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:39:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F2dhZG017300 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:39:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0F2d5qc006295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:39:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0F2cYVX032328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:38:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F2cUXD098596; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:38:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F2cEOm098299 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:38:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W22 ([65.55.136.57]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:38:09 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.143.30.140] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help interpreting a source, 1340 Spain Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:38:09 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2fa501c85715$291179c0$5200a8c0@compaqub> References: <20080114180926.EA81D439F2@webmailsmtp1.localnet.sys> <2fa501c85715$291179c0$5200a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2008 02:38:09.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA5FB1E0:01C8571F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28f8febd-0cdd-43dc-b146-14b1fdaf922d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478C1CC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:39:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca E. House wrote: > "Prender=F3" (verb) means something along the lines of acquiring an objec= t. In > other words, "He/she took it." (In terms of common root words and c= ognates, > think "apprehend.") The word survives in Italian in the same sen= se. A > "prendero" (noun) is a second-hand dealer, fence, or pawnbroker--in= other > words, one who takes the object or receives the object that was ta= ken. In > the noun sense, it's a bit old-fashioned, (say, early 20thC) but = I don't > think I'd call it entirely archaic.> > So based on the snippet pr= ovided, it sounds like the guy either took a red > cloth from Menga, or he = sent her to go get him a red cloth. Or, to fit the > context exactly as pro= vided, he demanded/asked her for it as a gift, perhaps > in a slightly Mafi= a sort of way. Thanks, E. You are making more sense than my colleague. He did not indicate= a tilde on the n, but that may have been his omission. =20 If I understand correctly, Ruiz is the author, not someone interacting with= the woman Menga, who is a character in Ruiz's book. I gather that she is t= he one asking for a gift. My colleague's exact words in his e-mail were "sh= e asked in a wedding context for a prendero of bermejo pano." I have no ide= a why he thinks there is an implication of something "restraining" or why h= e seems so certain it is a ribbon or hairband; I asked him for more detail = and he did not provide it. He is a little scattered, I am afraid, and I got= as much out of him as I could. But I am doing what I can to help. =20 >From the little he did give me, it sounds like we can be no more specific t= han "she asked for a red cloth." And nothing that would imply ribbon, or wo= ol, or scarlet (as opposed to red in general). =20 =20 --Robin =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 05:02:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FA2E8v001930 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:02:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0FA1au7024488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0FA0rdp063521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:00:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FA0o2B077391; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.qmul.ac.uk (mail2.qmul.ac.uk [138.37.6.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FA0kZi077331 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from termite.qmul.ac.uk ([138.37.6.52]) by mail2.qmul.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JEib3-00016z-At for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:00:44 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (termite [127.0.0.1]) by termite.qmul.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FA0fZR012842 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:00:41 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m0FA0e0A012839 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:00:40 GMT Received: from 217.206.186.114 ([217.206.186.114]) by webmail.qmul.ac.uk (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: <20080115100040.3xgqzv7yss4sc8w8@webmail.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:00:40 +0000 From: Hilary Davidson To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu References: <200801142247.m0EMlNue003697@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200801142247.m0EMlNue003697@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 217.206.186.114 X-QM-Sender: lew195@imap.qmul.ac.uk X-Sender-Host-Address: 138.37.6.52 X-QM-Scan-Virus: ClamAV says the message is clean X-QM-Scan-Virus: virusscan says the message is clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba9671d7-f423-468c-904e-b503ec3e9658 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478C8480.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Have a great day all. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 17:49:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FMn7LE024465 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:49:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0FMmSGG031817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0FMlibw073575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FMlNwc090153; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FMlBeq089768 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bfa.570785a (42805) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:47:04 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:47:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc55e777-b692-4830-9ef2-b9a9331950c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478D383D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:48:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/11/2008 9:15:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: I know I would. The favor of a website, flickr page or smug mug link, is requested. Anyone brave enough to share? I recycled several outfits for this year's events. No pictures of my Christmas candlelight tour outfits, but you can see my evening dress at the Riversdale 12th Night Ball at: _http://www.WincingDevil.com/12thNight2008_ (http://www.WincingDevil.com/12thNight2008) I am in number 203732 in my silver and gold gown and turban. I made this about 10 years ago, but hadn't worn it in a while. The shawl was a new addition this year. Ann Wass **************Start the year off right. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:32:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for "fashion fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo fabric is like? I bought 15 yards of their white cotton dotted Swiss to dye, and of course to sew with afterwards. Good price. It just arrived today. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 18:41:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FNf1lJ026028 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:41:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0FNeN3C008705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:40:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0FNe091081703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:40:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FNdwGq049602; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FNdscU049544 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.167] (sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.167]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0FNdqqa011226 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:39:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:39:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dfabd5d-ca63-4ea5-93ef-d48a12d21789 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478D4467.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:40:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for > "fashion fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo > fabric is like? Bamboo cloth is technically a rayon. I'd generalize and say it's a bit softer than cotton in the same weave or knit. It really varies, though. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 19:35:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G0Zlso027879 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:35:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G0Z8va018206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:35:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G0YKr7089969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:34:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G0YFmg008390; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G0YAvf008237 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W13 ([65.55.138.48]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:34:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" , "GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:34:05 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2008 00:34:05.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FCBD8B0:01C857D7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chaperon - how long was it worn, and is this one - sort of? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Sorry about the cross posts, but folks from both these lists might be able = to help. =20 http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bruegel/bruegel115.html =20 I am making a Waffenrock, similar to the yellow or black one in this detail= . But I want to make a hat similar to the green one on the right. I don't= want all the dags 'n stuff, I just wanted to make a relatively simple chap= eron. But after thinking about it, it seemed chronologically out of place = - I think of them as being more a "Medieval" thing. =20 =20 Anyone know how long they were worn? =20 =20 Brueghel has painted a simple one here: http://www.alchemywebsite.com/breughel_alchemist.html =20 Clearly, the liripipe hood was still in use, albite this a Monk... http://tinyurl.com/yujvnr {ttp://www.culturacampania.rai.it/site/en-GB/Cultural_Heritage/Museums/Sche= da/Main_works/works/napoli_capodimonte_misantropo.html?UrlScheda=3Dnapoli_m= useo_capodimonte} =20 In case you are interested: I don't know if you can see it, but the man on = the left (black outfit) has what looks like a removable Goller over his Waf= fenrock. =20 Sg= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:16:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1GtlW029232 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G1GHVt006298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:16:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G1FjVN094422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1FhL3043367; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0F3P67P029339 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2636161pyc.4 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=nzwHhn+vZab1Mj2LWoggNhvDAuzo+coVHksetuQpCmo=; b=MRyMygc0Qq5F4+vyWrvMX4E0BZwzqDp8DSitnEV0A26LQCx2aKB1Scgmqa5fPN8stc/eS7fjOCnVfII8/idOQU9PjbVs+qHkNYrSOFimQ0+6ra/emPk+q5PvelcJ8np9+iVvDnjy7LPpMMVoEoLo1npxv0dGrZAkCKs98qaOBxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ZU9K0zVWOlTynjW9Hh6PGbXkBm52YuewBeLTykwsiPcIsTGCL9rTtj9rTKeT4cf/B5HqxAluR3Y0r6kzwoXNi7Y9y/IsivNa9SsLj8CnZ2iIcOBtksgN0nQAgwgHXHBK0nCh1CKl4WHdVrg8o6jiPc39RBdMnsPU8OE/YkPk/Ro= Received: by 10.65.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr16193281qbm.47.1200367500660; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i5sm6147766nzi.21.2008.01.14.19.24.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:24:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fb301c85726$75fdcc00$5200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080114180926.EA81D439F2@webmailsmtp1.localnet.sys> <2fa501c85715$291179c0$5200a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help interpreting a source, 1340 Spain Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:26:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b1d9b51-7bbd-4479-a348-bbca5a85ec0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478D5AE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:16:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" <> Definitely a common omission--and the definition of "paño" fits so well I'd bet that's what happened. <> Hrm. From what I know of the words involved, "she asked for a red cloth" definitely seems like a reasonable translation. The word as I know it would in a sense be related to the idea of giving or a gift, and the word could easily have changed senses a bit over the centuries anyway--my favorite example has always been the word "doubt." ("I doubt he'll be there" used to mean "I'm afraid he'll be there" but now means "I'm afraid he won't be there.") For that matter, if she's asking for a wedding gift (or perhaps shopping for her wedding/obtaining items for her dowry?) scarlet cloth might not be quite so odd a thing for her to want! ...And something just struck me; if the author was referring to a red-colored piece of fabric, I would have expected him to say "paño bermejo" rather than "bermejo paño," which puts the adjective in the wrong order--like calling something "a cloth red." That, on top of that odd implied thingness that I'm having such a hard time putting into words (i.e., you can say a thing is "un bermejo" whereas in English we wouldn't say a thing is "a red") DOES suddenly suggest scarlet, in the sense of a specific type of fabric, a lot more than it did at first glance. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:20:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1KLhb029336 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:20:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G1JhuM021189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G1JODf095291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1JMBx046942; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1JHoK046854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.89] (dial-209-148-100-89.sonic.net [209.148.100.89]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m0G1JFCl031382 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:19:16 -0800 Message-ID: <478D5BA6.1050209@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:19:34 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e93f5724-5698-4838-a18f-f416d5f12720 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478D5BAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:19:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Even given all that stuff about how eco-friendly it is? Oh, well. One thing I really want is some usable, therefore possibly new, grass cloth or nettle cloth. Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for >> "fashion fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo >> fabric is like? > > > Bamboo cloth is technically a rayon. I'd generalize and say it's a bit > softer than cotton in the same weave or knit. It really varies, though. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:20:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1KeSS029353 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:20:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G1K3dV009259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G1Jjmn095397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1JjrS047421; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0FMIdvC053908 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so15526fga.11 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:18:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=w2WntCf9gCG1KGs39wQaGkuJzPypMmRpNbD2UpHlzjI=; b=M+zMwiGotq3993YM17B9S7HlydVhQjae+wEIOcNfhbM//7e6AqpeApHY1i6z2BwZQ63Gysu/sbJji18rl0pAyO7d8XUxekWCZkP6q7qnmD6aWEtLyJUU5MEiKJ2nLgQPOl+fz+JTQ81nLW1QnO04runu04JkQq2rIA0dKi+y0CY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sYAv8/OSdD2vJL2Qz/dTiOsAOovwFVk8ngpWnnoGzz4NeDYUDMCgt0AoepjH06Kcym6tF0GOzEg1MvBVMAGcI84+ic8mVbGhtDWT43WTq6Z7yaWC5ZgXFage0nKDJO3u9oegaoaiU79xXz0Q9OGED77G0ZJCNLzAL3HhpknE0fI= Received: by 10.86.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr17980fga.24.1200435512947; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.1.8 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:18:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0801151418m55b9d948jb67e3f9ad336c463@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:18:32 -0500 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-needlework@lists.ansteorra.org, "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery on a frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fe61190-a917-4538-affb-005cf573d2db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478D5BC3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:20:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Good evening, I have this project I've been planning for a long long time. But I need an embroidery frame. How do you embroider a forepart? If I do it the way I planned, it will be pretty heavily embroidered with all kinds of shiny things, so I don't think I can put it on rollers - unless I make huge padded rollers. Do I make a frame big enough to fit the whole forepart? How do I proceed? Also... do you have any plans? If not, what should we think of when we make the plans for such a frame? Thank you for your help! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:34:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1YvXN029804 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:34:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G1YJJD028436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:34:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G1XqF9097050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1Xpc8058710; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wbm9.pair.net (wbm9.pair.net [66.39.3.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1XklD058648 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: by wbm9.pair.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BB6C23BD2D; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 130.65.37.214 ([130.65.37.214]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user attrembl@bovil.com) by webmail9.pair.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:33:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3363.130.65.37.214.1200447226.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:33:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric From: "Andrew Trembley" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> <478D5BA6.1050209@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <478D5BA6.1050209@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f5ecebe-7cae-495a-8acd-f1121b225e91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478D5F1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:34:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Lavolta Press wrote: > Even given all that stuff about how eco-friendly it is? Some reading for you. I've not seen any bamboo that's been billed as "bamboo linen" on the racks where I've shopped. I'm going to assume that any "bamboo" that's not specifically listed as "bamboo linen" is "bamboo rayon." I still want a good source of ramie. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:47:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1liSD030160 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:47:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G1l6HM002589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:47:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G1kkfo098885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1kgmW070505; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1kdPK070359 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E9D11652A for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:46:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <478D61F8.8070501@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:46:32 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery on a frame References: <16a2233a0801151418m55b9d948jb67e3f9ad336c463@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0801151418m55b9d948jb67e3f9ad336c463@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b93f869e-4433-4c2d-8513-e870cf0a4dfd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478D621B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:47:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > How do you embroider a forepart? If I do it the way I planned, it will > be pretty heavily embroidered with all kinds of shiny things, so I > don't think I can put it on rollers - unless I make huge padded > rollers. Do I make a frame big enough to fit the whole forepart? How > do I proceed? > Sounds like you need a small quilt frame, like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VOTT48?smid=A2XYIU6P451JAT&tag=dealtime-office-20&linkCode=asn That should handle the length and width of your project. There are free and inexpensive plans available on the web. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:59:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1xgng030466 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:59:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G1x32t024872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G1wKAM099710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1wIbt081257; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G1wGUT081141 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so88368pyc.4 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:58:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=8+LNr/LNPGwu9/HBxucDmIANnYwo1uBo6yrDiUGjEOo=; b=qZa6Xv+BpxXeL0EfZRXcDuu+/rt/9zuruEPzHYAnaT0IUbWtXn5iwzAc14REpKvIbZ52nilH99PMe0neFUXVWGvWLHgjfwwFlMlIu7UAi9mgspC3KzMcrZ76GPYX30jlGmwIpqzFCymde9420QxBn6A4KEjBImjjNJqDmVchm/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=UHiK4LV0znDGBHMpaww+qsQyV+vzXzSMEIj0GQt8kBVYuZTpVud/t4ZcPsSqKA3KKUhlwgjMMaUnpk+GN37CWCSTnHUYo/shAvG/uOjtHW9JG6QXZ+akMpkBPhMmduLemTtNQ8fBe8gth4++HMq++CIOEeIgHhpGJ3xw+6NMJTU= Received: by 10.65.44.5 with SMTP id w5mr423916qbj.45.1200448690206; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e13sm169000qba.37.2008.01.15.17.58.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:58:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <019a01c857e3$61f1fa20$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <16a2233a0801151418m55b9d948jb67e3f9ad336c463@mail.gmail.com> <478D61F8.8070501@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery on a frame Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:59:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ef41ba1-b68a-46c7-9773-bb0fa3a2a10d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478D64E7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:59:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca > Sounds like you need a small quilt frame, like this: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VOTT48?smid=A2XYIU6P451JAT&tag=dealtime-office-20&linkCode=asn > > That should handle the length and width of your project. Ah, that's more like it. I kept finding roller quilt frames. I have NO idea where I can fit it, but I need it, so it will have to fit in somehow! Thank you! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:15:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G2FRXU030804 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:15:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G2EnqW008312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:14:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G2EHml001171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G2EFRo093279; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G2E6YE093162 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26453806A for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:17:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:17:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801152117.06329.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1541db50-8c6a-49dc-8aae-6285de9ef93a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478D6899.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > > Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for > > "fashion fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo > > fabric is like? > > Bamboo cloth is technically a rayon. I'd generalize and say it's a > bit softer than cotton in the same weave or knit. It really varies, > though. > That's interesting. I went to fabric.com and looked at the enlarged image of the stuff and thought, "looks like rayon." :-) -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:18:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G2Ib40030863 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:18:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G2HxXA015001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:18:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G2HcaC001577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G2HaKP096231; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G2HVtW095672 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:18:45 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C857E6.1EE3A117" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:17:33 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A98C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A98C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Thread-Index: AchX3ichqZYi3iG2SkaOs3t1ghU29QAB8zzp References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> <478D5BA6.1050209@lavoltapress.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2008 02:18:45.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EFD23E0:01C857E6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73f70f92-b3d5-437d-b8af-22838e24dedf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478D6957.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:18:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C857E6.1EE3A117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bamboo takes far fewer chemicals to raise than cotton - which seems to = require a chemical factory, unless it's organic cotton. Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press Sent: Tue 1/15/2008 8:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Even given all that stuff about how eco-friendly it is? Oh, well. One thing I really want is some usable, therefore possibly new, grass cloth or nettle cloth. Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com =20 Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for=20 >> "fashion fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo=20 >> fabric is like? > > > Bamboo cloth is technically a rayon. I'd generalize and say it's a = bit > softer than cotton in the same weave or knit. It really varies, = though. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C857E6.1EE3A117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C857E6.1EE3A117-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 22:44:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G3iBoa000654 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:44:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G3hWiV027950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G3gnIB008014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G3gjOw054457; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0G3gggI054348 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 639 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 03:42:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cqyOt/n8YL37aeYc7WGgl4vh0TVtTQCH7i7Ybl0L23r3vAqh3FiwtLnosPt1PCHZbTGDupj4aFA2uuI8yUXiMJ/dNhnJtPvAK/dTTttiOso1iSEMzUo3Ldjg+Q6gAO3sr+8ceVwyMk7VhaPvAqokBigZ6zq6TchnO2PjiS9axT0=; X-YMail-OSG: i2odiI0VM1kWPAfyTREeJ1riuiv._.WjXPvYKrXYGw3pa8bRooXILeuddKclLZeuif6rod7TIeFe6ivSq.FSzoUmMJbGzNSHmFM7mOqQ1TEniqnY_0Y- Received: from [69.217.151.165] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:42:36 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:42:36 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery on a frame To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <019a01c857e3$61f1fa20$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <99533.99277.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23bb8d1d-e015-483a-abe9-802e6db2c801 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478D7D64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:43:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca You might like a Q-Snap frame better. It breaks down for storage and is quite easy to assemble. --- Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Sounds like you need a small quilt frame, like > this: > > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VOTT48?smid=A2XYIU6P451JAT&tag=dealtime-office-20&linkCode=asn > > > > That should handle the length and width of your > project. > > Ah, that's more like it. I kept finding roller quilt > frames. I have NO idea > where I can fit it, but I need it, so it will have > to fit in somehow! > > Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:36:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G4a4sU002010 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:36:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G4ZPMo024035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:35:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G4YuCI013096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G4YsZM000684; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G4YqFm000647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-119.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G4Yoif026609 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200801142247.m0EMlNud003697@net.indra.com> References: <200801142247.m0EMlNud003697@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help interpreting a source, 1340 Spain Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:34:48 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5484/Tue Jan 15 12:31:27 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1468b2ad-4e14-4c5c-9c12-54772fe04c25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478D898D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:35:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Robin, I only know of Talavera from the quotations in Anderson's book. I think of him as the Spanish equivalent of Philip Stubbes (even though Talavera was writing 90 years earlier). I suppose he focused on fashion only when warning his patrons against it. ;-) I didn't find anything in my college library... but I'll keep looking. (My husband googled him and found entries in the Jewish Encyclopedia and the omnipresent Wikipedia, FWIW.) There was a reference to another, slightly earlier, work that had Talavera in the title but it didn't seem to be by or about Fernando de Talavera -- it does however have something to do with "women" "love" and "misogyny" if you believe the subject headings. Sorry it's just trivia! Suzanne On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:47 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Robin Netherton > Date: January 14, 2008 4:29:34 PM CST > To: Historic Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] Help interpreting a source, 1340 Spain > > > > One of my colleagues tossed me a couple of questions that are way > out of my area. I reproduce them below, with his permission. > > > 2. He also asks, "Have you ever used Talavera? He seems obsessed > primarily with royal excess and I wonder how reliable he is on > earlier bourgeois costume." He adds, at my request for explanation, > that "Talavera was the confessor to Isabel and Archbishop of > Grenada. He wrote a famous account of Spanish fashion very detailed > and full of criticism of excess." > > Help on either most gratefully accepted; I will pass responses on > to my colleague. > > Thanks, > > Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 01:10:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G6Abke005096 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:10:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G69xFv025361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:10:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G69N0F019858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G69IXq061384; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.22]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0G69F9o061312 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:09:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10199 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 06:09:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tFl67QPKi7wbTIydX0lxGCYRFXw0lGNlwhe+XyrW2ssV+ad/HT2eBQBOQxll/k2fX+Oz73noKHgawHzZSH+fdarZYRSbrhNJc77MnyHMNfXl1xeDpEr9OJUZGwV8dj3jU+IYRosBDl0KZdt+wLXpI7TOYclKgwAGi70TOiv8fOk=; X-YMail-OSG: dxC73EUVM1mgeNzGhlRnPE4ZfhdFGXKS29FyDEcmzUpxPvlG08OUOVazfXhDe6TFARhsrfrgqlCJHYZHLMi1Jz6dtAMhmeF_4sPk4goTdXrlPxYZL2j4RXHwCY.9AA-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:09:09 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric .... Bamboo fiber socks... " i have trees on my feet" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200801152117.06329.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <662664.10067.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 986915a1-e879-4325-8e10-25cd8925caca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478D9FB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:10:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca If you have a Target store near you, go to the ladies sock dept. Target carries a line of Eco-friendly items,among these items are socks made from bamboo fiber. They are incrediably soft and comfortable, i use them with my Ren faire outfit and have been pleased with the fabric and fit. It is softer then cotton, almost silky in feel. melody Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > > Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for > > "fashion fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo > > fabric is like? > > Bamboo cloth is technically a rayon. I'd generalize and say it's a > bit softer than cotton in the same weave or knit. It really varies, > though. > That's interesting. I went to fabric.com and looked at the enlarged image of the stuff and thought, "looks like rayon." :-) -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 03:46:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G8krUU002335 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:46:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G8kFnr032014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G8jWKh029148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G8jS8S055133; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G8jNr2055080 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080116084523.SSF29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:45:23 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.122]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080116084522.YTGR20739.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:45:22 +0100 Message-ID: <20080116084522.YTGR20739.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:45:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.122] at Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:45:22 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <006101c8581c$21819c50$7ae73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery in a frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4856b44c-8c31-4382-8bf0-561be6cb471b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478DC457.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:46:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Hi. I have a frame from an english online site called Barnyarns. You can = find it on google! My frame is 68 cm wide. It has roller bars on top and bottom. On these = you can roll your fabric, if you have a very long projekt. These roller = bars are fastened with skrews? dont know the right word sorry. But you = can buy frames wich are larger. When i make a big projekt like a waistcoat, i cant have the whole lenght = of the waistcoat in my frame, but then i move the embroidery, as i get = along. The fabric is sewn on the roller bars. Works very nicely. Another good thing with my frame is that i can tilt my frame, and push = it into a good working posission. Usually i sit comfortable in my sofa = and embroider. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 03:58:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G8wiSP003304 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0G8w5xR004648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0G8vl2K029499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G8vlci061618; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0G8vgah061548 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080116085741.BCTS13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:57:41 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.122]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080116085741.YUOQ23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:57:41 +0100 Message-ID: <20080116085741.YUOQ23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080116084708.TBDY21070.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery in a frame Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:57:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.122] at Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:57:38 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000401c8581d$d8f10870$7ae73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f35cec36-70c5-4849-a1e0-bc228f793fe6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478DC71D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Forgot to show this picture: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g5.htm Here you see most of the frame with a waistcoat embroidery in it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery in a frame Hi. I have a frame from an english online site called Barnyarns. You can find it on google! My frame is 68 cm wide. It has roller bars on top and bottom. On these you can roll your fabric, if you have a very long projekt. These roller bars are fastened with skrews? dont know the right word sorry. But you can buy frames wich are larger. When i make a big projekt like a waistcoat, i cant have the whole lenght of the waistcoat in my frame, but then i move the embroidery, as i get along. The fabric is sewn on the roller bars. Works very nicely. Another good thing with my frame is that i can tilt my frame, and push it into a good working posission. Usually i sit comfortable in my sofa and embroider. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 05:09:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GA9swK015336 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:09:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GA9Gwj031425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GA8VSQ035010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GA8RmO010423; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GA8PXZ010283 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so169852rvf.11 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:08:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=suoLbsnoOIkiqn8EpNC8IicekC74PZTT8ujAvwojCRc=; b=NTrMGsCl7IP7lzJJPOmhqit5B0+9mnQoEPp9GtWfyrsS8msTKMJBSqHSPgFxNzgQvjqN743pO0xKsuY6U5/Py+H6e18R9qMsHK90cdyMtYwp86JXcMIvhU8HjFTcKa0/Uwk/PsObkEKiz8oME94z7KjvtQEaB6W1Vk11BriXQxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RvTjoH6QCFN4Ve398yRtFg9EOM11g4YNXGuo8hSgdC44mEE8joXNUPGn7jzeGkbsiP9OpBWZi3wb6Hn9CQia21JIO0IZvhQJ2M/BC1rdXKzSnbbfZKhHXnWexLLkAlw4aO9+i3eQAOAJLdJWZbu5PSDRpaFHKjrqsSd55uLgV7w= Received: by 10.141.161.6 with SMTP id n6mr422535rvo.155.1200478098793; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.196.15 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:08:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90801160208x234166a2q32ce52f3e9bece47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:08:18 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9af6e7db-596d-405a-8724-8da93787d8c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478DD7CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:09:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Very nice Ann, I must say the Green dress with the matching corset is also very nice. Is that an 1860 period gown? The lady sitting next to you also has a nice dress on, would a hoop be a suitable addition for it? Sidney On Jan 16, 2008 8:47 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 1/11/2008 9:15:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: > > I know I would. > The favor of a website, flickr page or smug mug link, is requested. > Anyone brave enough to share? > > > > I recycled several outfits for this year's events. No pictures of my > Christmas candlelight tour outfits, but you can see my evening dress at > the > Riversdale 12th Night Ball at: > > _http://www.WincingDevil.com/12thNight2008_ > (http://www.WincingDevil.com/12thNight2008) > > I am in number 203732 in my silver and gold gown and turban. I made this > about 10 years ago, but hadn't worn it in a while. The shawl was a new > addition this year. > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 06:47:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GBl3wM000742 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:47:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GBkO6R013781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GBjlLi044952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GBji5U094947; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:45:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GBjfq6094816 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ca2.2372fc51 (39955) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:45:34 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:45:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae12738b-8a5e-42ed-907c-3b34e55130ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478DEE90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:46:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/16/2008 5:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, sid.young@gmail.com writes: I must say the Green dress with the matching corset is also very nice. Is that an 1860 period gown? The lady sitting next to you also has a nice dress on, would a hoop be a suitable addition for it? I believe the green you refer to was an interpretation of 18th century, not mid-19th and what looks like a corset is her stomacher. Not sure which other dress you mean that could use a hoop. Almost everyone else was wearing early 19th century, so no hoops. Of course, for those who are more en bon point, as the Lady of Distinction said, our skirts are a little fuller and not so tubular looking. I wear a fairly narrow petticoat, but with a corded hem, under mine, similar to the one in Cunnington's "History of Underwear." Riversdale, I should have said, is a Federal era house, built circa 1801-1807, and we primarily interpret the period prior to 1821, but we are flexible and welcome people dressed in other eras, even 21st century! We are in Riverdale Park, Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington, DC. If you are going to be in the area, please check us out. For more information, visit our website, _http://www.pgparks.com/places/eleganthistoric/riversdale_intro.html_ (http://www.pgparks.com/places/eleganthistoric/riversdale_intro.html) Thanks, all, for your interest. Ann Wass **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:05:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GC5rDZ003417 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:05:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GC5Cw1014335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:05:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GC4dA5046562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GC4c0w009195; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GC4Xcv009110 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080116120433.BWFZ13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:04:33 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.42]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080116120432.YZBO21281.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:04:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20080116120432.YZBO21281.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080116114742.NXYW22541.fep23.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:04:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.42] at Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:04:32 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000a01c85837$f45ab510$2a14a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21ffd281-e31b-4049-84b4-0d031bb52375 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478DF2F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:05:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Very nice pictures Ann. You look wonderfull! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... > > In a message dated 1/16/2008 5:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, > sid.young@gmail.com writes: > > I must say the Green dress with the matching corset is also > very nice. Is that an 1860 period gown? > > The lady sitting next to you also has a nice dress on, would a hoop be a > suitable addition for it? > > > > I believe the green you refer to was an interpretation of 18th century, > not > mid-19th and what looks like a corset is her stomacher. Not sure which > other > dress you mean that could use a hoop. Almost everyone else was wearing > early 19th century, so no hoops. Of course, for those who are more en > bon point, > as the Lady of Distinction said, our skirts are a little fuller and not > so > tubular looking. I wear a fairly narrow petticoat, but with a corded > hem, > under mine, similar to the one in Cunnington's "History of Underwear." > > Riversdale, I should have said, is a Federal era house, built circa > 1801-1807, and we primarily interpret the period prior to 1821, but we are > flexible > and welcome people dressed in other eras, even 21st century! > > We are in Riverdale Park, Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington, DC. If > you are going to be in the area, please check us out. For more > information, > visit our website, > _http://www.pgparks.com/places/eleganthistoric/riversdale_intro.html_ > (http://www.pgparks.com/places/eleganthistoric/riversdale_intro.html) > > Thanks, all, for your interest. > > Ann Wass > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 08:21:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GDLTli006251 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:21:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GDKoSp002098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:20:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GDKGBE054313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:20:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GDKEeW071602; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:20:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0GDKAhF071475 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:20:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 91966 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 13:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.152.105 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 13:20:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p5DCPiQVM1nsnCkH1eeGndxw3vAum5vx3w3Ep79UgZJezr8DYL51.H2T5BzfVes6XEX.g3Ubaqem2RR1D0GQ828yUFNrxhcZc._yNrN7aOGj4qSSAqTB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002201c85842$832d9eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:20:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6087b28-396f-43c0-837e-8cd5ed8b7a9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 478E04B2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:20:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Fran, I received some tea towels for Christmas listing bamboo content. Re hand, they feel somewhat like a heavy rayon suiting. I haven't used them yet so I don't have proof of their absorbancy. But they feel good. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric > Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for "fashion > fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo fabric is like? > > I bought 15 yards of their white cotton dotted Swiss to dye, and of course > to sew with afterwards. Good price. It just arrived today. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 08:59:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GDxEQk007491 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:59:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GDwZjW026772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:58:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GDw1Cl057934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GDvxd7002452; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GDvuGV002355 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W37 ([65.55.138.72]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:57:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Cynthia Virtue , Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Chaperon - how long was it worn, and is this one - sort of? Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:57:51 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <478D597E.2070201@thibault.org> References: <478D597E.2070201@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2008 13:57:51.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[C908F970:01C85847] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c93811e-0045-4f75-ab72-dbad78194f19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478E0D8B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:58:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Yeah, I wondered about this also - the fact that it is a biblical represent= ation of an event, and that the Misanthrope is an "allegory" - even the Alc= hemist - is a fanciful subject - though I guess back then they might have b= elieved in some of it. =20 =20 I don't know much about his style of painting, but most of the other clothi= ng appears appropriate for the period. =20 Sg:> > http://www.wga.hu/art/r/reymersw/mchanger.jpg> > Which also shows a = very raggedy-dagged chaperon; sort of the last gasp > of the fashion, I thi= nk, to have it so crazy/wild dagged.> > Any chance that since the 1567 is a= bout a Biblical character, that the > figure you are interested in is dress= ed in "old timey" clothing? I > don't know enough about the painting to mak= e that guess, perhaps you > can, though.> > cv> (Copying you directly, also= , as my H-costume email tends to bounce.)> -- > Vandeverre's Emporium, Cale= don II: for a subset of your Victorian Second > Life needs!= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 09:18:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GEItnp007989 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GEIFLH010017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GEHItU060482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GEHFD6020829; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GEHArk020646 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:59 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02B33FB4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <002201c85842$832d9eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Thread-Index: AchYQuQ59klE0tTtSSyGEOQv7eyo7AAB5mPQ References: <478D4292.40809@lavoltapress.com> <002201c85842$832d9eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2008 14:18:59.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCD06FA0:01C8584A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c69aef0-5112-4f9e-9ec3-a5d0d8bb3461 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478E1227.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I have bamboo bath towels - on the tag it said that they would be more absorbent after a washing & that proved to be true.=20 Patty=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric Fran, I received some tea towels for Christmas listing bamboo content. Re=20 hand, they feel somewhat like a heavy rayon suiting. I haven't used them=20 yet so I don't have proof of their absorbancy. But they feel good. Kathleen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric > Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their "new arrivals" for "fashion=20 > fabric." Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo fabric is like? > > I bought 15 yards of their white cotton dotted Swiss to dye, and of course=20 > to sew with afterwards. Good price. It just arrived today. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 15:19:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GKJTAL019326 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:19:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0GKImMo003559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:18:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0GKI3xW023786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GKHhsR070854; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0GKHalL070674 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e30so219375fke.15 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:17:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=/u7nyjHSW7yN0aHbUqO8QQMeiZGBfue9aVodbVVhhJM=; b=WE3BG8kCDCmt0CHHQHh6jMNSunkxz13+csIwnTts3BPoCEZq8hgnpf9hxdQ0hWmhCZDS5VdoXFsu79jXNtLhaeDy6bStVvhRqAq5yFhzLcepoJWDSM6bw1gGqnogpDwhiK4sKNhxL3ys7uZn/IwzXKQeR7BI4hX1b9b/pis9pBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=L31EOm2j7uepTr5sMwl+h+v98mYX5CgANjGdW5+yebA9it9nEzgaHZBAE55AN4/nGqRlNSYids60BXqMBEOZkxY3cRP7tbEapB9K2NTe1UU/ikjgnuejgcWjIkmQuOhNR2Y0QInv8i9W/Bo8JnuWcJnypcW4n1pEPrliPUQUiI0= Received: by 10.78.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr1666949huf.24.1200514655886; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:17:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0801161217h6647f8a5ka680ea8302febf74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:17:35 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Steamer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0d1fa84-2550-474e-ac4d-0e1a4a0f66f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478E66A8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:18:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca I have a question: I think I'm going to buy a Rowenta Pro Compact Steamer from JoAnn Fabrics, low-cost, usual retain $80, on sale for $60, not one of the really great professional ones. My question is this: would that pre-shrink a high quality taffeta (12 yds x 60") and acetate velvet (6 yds) as well as pressing it would and as safely? It would be easier to hang the fabric and slowly steam it the entire length than it would be to press it - it would be done unevenly since my ironing board isn't 60" wide. I didn't really think the iron would be what would pre-shrink the fabric but the steam/heat would and that could come from the steam. Am I right? Costume content: the taffeta will make an 1880 ball gown for my daughter and the velvet is for a Vintage Vogue pattern 1938(?) evening gown. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 19:06:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H06Rf3026183 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0H05mGV029790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:05:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0H05B3u051497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H052g4037439; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H050XK037388 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so529703pyc.4 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=/E2O1QdVlmqedq60lkUB44J1VegGpcg4CflpMTCwAvY=; b=jIOQbsTVhasv6QwcBq7GVzSWxgaiDTEdC45hrcwZ02uwNutDVUYVc8MGwOSvat/S5ZVkpp5DcYSKVsYMxLMo4BzUdMl8zqqSxK6Emx6z9NJyqTy348esWt6hbzXvam8leppY4HEJD0ztXfY3tpJO68eXPEbZG21T8tT5KD3nCRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=nZ9QtygNRvkAfyfg5EsaLjazh16BvHmivIImPR9JoIZkvhNEejCD8mELLRdBOu2q0xrkZ3Zrl3AeVOZVwc1Zkvmzldtm6cm8fll7GltVRXCSvV43/5KEwNZd9L5e2yi21BmoejA8Sf4oQ6cBMsQ8VLh8bF/znWE6dcj6fW56RGo= Received: by 10.64.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr3023275qbe.54.1200528298398; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13sm1111503qba.20.2008.01.16.16.04.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006001c8589c$bc753700$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080116084708.TBDY21070.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20080116085741.YUOQ23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery in a frame Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:05:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a76f3710-2f42-4dc5-bff0-4949e7d3fe2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478E9BDD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca > Forgot to show this picture: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g5.htm > Here you see most of the frame with a waistcoat embroidery in it. > > Bjarne Yes, that would work, but I won't be able to roll the completed parts, so I have trouble seeing how I can fix it to the rollers if I can't roll it on them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:55:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H4tFEe001416 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:55:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0H4saR8010938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0H4rm2l079964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H4ra4T065619; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H4rWL2065573 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JFMks3Mtv-0004F1; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c858c4$b922d080$6601a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:52:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18zn2lM44qL6eqMpVmbbzZ+ge7hvwfw8luhD8o TFw5N+3SXLnP/RhobCo0y+9AjrRTJV/NvYhjS8XBFeozUL2L9l y+TjTjLb0F8ZlAmkhJ54w== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: The costume I wore for my holiday... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ee687a6-0ad8-4d7c-be02-80b215fb35a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478EDF8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:54:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Ann, I love your 12th Night ensemble. The color coordination is really = night. The fabric of the shawl is beautiful! =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 03:28:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H8S0Bc031945 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:28:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0H8RLtE010406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:27:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0H8Qjge092626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H8QfcG099905; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0H8QVaD099766 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so478132rvf.11 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:26:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZN6oR1rPcBPv0CKHMkk0uiyFR2tM7EREjKg1RDxtCis=; b=Hcj/+vCGRKPkrFoF4DSAWpV7QNOClByzpucfatraUcgcakabb6LLlL+K6ZjUfdXWWqNq8CykuqAWCAu1iDa+1AL7tXm9AsIQT3aeOJrLV7sJKt5tuElA3bqGwU6L1/NnyiCQKREno45DNZynaC46suTuxcvSX0BmJ7gAai/cplM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qH9Nbx6+fqJ4VGikhmBzpycSGY2LFye8RVKtWuj48istwES8ptYT1Gu+ebp3rcU5Owt/iGyOuqbBH/w9sceAuvPrkwkGXr7iQA6JZDiDachtKZgf85CZpwl37BJNsJgWrAybbzgFjVzXfAMxpHkcWDmYx1/CkSfTjlGAmMg1gIY= Received: by 10.141.204.16 with SMTP id g16mr1266581rvq.113.1200558386052; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.196.15 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:26:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90801170026o2395627arf5a96e964e3b6410@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:26:26 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20dc5298-c64e-4d30-b8c0-af5d7e2c4dd9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 478F1169.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:27:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca I'm in Australia so I won''t be dropping round too soon :) but I will drop by the web site more often. Sidney > We are in Riverdale Park, Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington, DC. If > you are going to be in the area, please check us out. For more > information, > visit our website, > _http://www.pgparks.com/places/eleganthistoric/riversdale_intro.html_ ( > http://www.pgparks.com/places/eleganthistoric/riversdale_intro.html) > > Thanks, all, for your interest. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 06:24:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HBO9BW023382 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:24:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HBNUAN024249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HBMsD5006730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HBMj4i025300; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HBMf9p025155 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:22:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c67.26905dec (30739) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:22:34 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:22:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b525c1fa-f21f-464c-a084-00af44bc9703 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478F3AB2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:23:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/17/2008 3:27:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, sid.young@gmail.com writes: I'm in Australia so I won''t be dropping round too soon :) Well, if you ever venture this way from the Antipodes, or know someone who is. . . . Ann Wass **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 07:11:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HCBSLn001360 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:11:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HCAnNX017215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:10:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HCADIw010661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HCA92F061177; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HCA6g1061084 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200801171210.m0HCA6g1061084@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eBBy1Y0070vyq2s0504L00; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:10:01 +0000 Received: from NunnWeinberg1.comcast.net ([24.118.252.121]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eC9U1Y0062duwnL3R00000; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:09:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZF5Gq2gFgQIA:10 a=av7qbjjkAAAA:8 a=iq8VfAMyAAAA:8 a=XZOIe5WBCDaJUUfK3QYA:9 a=PiQEbFyDMbFHU_VgjvWkeobzOwgA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:08:18 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet In-Reply-To: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> References: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba26dc14-ca8d-4b2e-bc63-891c774bd6a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478F45C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Hi Deredere! Welcome to the wonderful world of BJDs!!! Costuming for them is exactly why I got into them to. ;-) I don't know much about that time period at all but I would think a hat, either a straw boater or a small hat perched on top of her head. However, I freely admit that is a guess. Have you found Den of Angels yet? http://www.denofangels.com If not, you will probably find it very helpful and enjoy it a lot. I really envy you being able to get the Dark Elf Quinn! Cheers, Danielle At 06:21 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >It as been so long since I was able to make a historic costume. >Not much time anymore so now I make them in smaller size :-) . > >It is for a doll that hopefully will arrive soon from Korea. > >I am making her a beautiful sheer cotton bustle dress. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html > >I was wondering what would be worn wit it? >A nice bonnet or a hat? > >Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 08:34:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HDYmlF003283 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:34:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HDY9TC005614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:34:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HDXOKY022656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HDXLMQ037093; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HDXIr7036961 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1614.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.81]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB103423DB for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:33:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <478F5B20.7000109@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:41:52 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4782193E.3000505@kabelfoon.nl> <200801171210.m0HCA6g1061084@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200801171210.m0HCA6g1061084@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Was (A bit OT doll bustle dress question for bonnet) now Vampire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5785bcf6-a165-4275-a0ff-57701b69b2af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478F5951.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Hi, Yes I am a member of the forum. Today I got the message from Luts that my Blanchet (Girl BJD) is about to fly to me :-) . I am designing a vampire dress for myself. And made the robe for Quinn and I want to make the dress for my girl. So I can see the difficulties before I make it for myself. Pictures of Quinns robe are here http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html Pictures of my dress design are here http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Fantasy/Vampire/Vampire.html My husband will go as a Lycan. He will wear black leather pants. A T-Shirt with on the front an enhanced six-pack from latex. A 19th century coat but in black Gothic style fabric and dark red lining. And a prosthetic werewolf snout. Deredere Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Hi Deredere! > > Welcome to the wonderful world of BJDs!!! Costuming for them is > exactly why I got into them to. ;-) I don't know much about that time > period at all but I would think a hat, either a straw boater or a > small hat perched on top of her head. However, I freely admit that > is a guess. Have you found Den of Angels yet? > http://www.denofangels.com If not, you will probably find it very > helpful and enjoy it a lot. I really envy you being able to get the > Dark Elf Quinn! > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 06:21 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote: >> Hi, >> >> It as been so long since I was able to make a historic costume. >> Not much time anymore so now I make them in smaller size :-) . >> >> It is for a doll that hopefully will arrive soon from Korea. >> >> I am making her a beautiful sheer cotton bustle dress. >> http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html >> >> I was wondering what would be worn wit it? >> A nice bonnet or a hat? >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 14:51:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HJpPmO016872 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:51:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HJokST010800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HJnqvd002412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:49:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HJnha1014633; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HJnbeV014534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:49:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 25A00D42F4; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-232.wightman.ca [216.110.230.232]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61CDD42AC for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:43 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000401c85942$1adeecf0$e8e66ed8@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AchZO+1YdbOTcFpBQrKV9QvHvOgB5AABdWog In-Reply-To: <200801171900.m0HJ0igf050288@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery in a frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7975e2c-f2b5-478d-872f-df615ae9f31d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478FB196.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 17:23:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HMNbcS024624 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:23:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HMMtOB016846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HMMCDx035797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HMLusJ025515; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0HMLkm2025209 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16882 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 22:21:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dkyiHWwR4OGQ49ZfZZoiw2qKDX5L9fYG4UmCxtfcumIzXCDauByMcRkDZT0MVWpycOYpjmvSIc2GQV/NoSM/RdC5NKfZ1u/IBXil9myotdTGmt0OhENz760c/mqrs3wNNdPtgjBtebMYBtPm6KNkfiGf/ay5v6squaz9kqyeGlY=; X-YMail-OSG: JAa3DDYVM1lqa5PLuGC21KtDpBbw0aV9ZGt3VSyFgjahtZjs7EzgRA_2eILTCerIJq8R7iv0j.D5Hp0MK9xGS.t5kmvN_AH5yhaC5un2GPGnFBb3zWg- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:21:41 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <335274.15272.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7195701c-60cb-46bf-ad56-0a3de2177c2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 478FD53F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Hello all, I have been in a discussion on a Tribe list on the use of colored shirts during Elizabeth's reign, and it comes from a fictionalized account of the romance of Elizabeth and Leicester. I've not heard of any shirts being made in colors during this time period (tho I do know they embroidered in colored silks), but I don't know the details of Elizabethan attire as well as others on this list do. This is the passage in question: "He gave Marshall an order on his London tailor, the same Whittle who had made his mourning, and Whittle ultimately delivered at Kenilworth "A crimson satin doublet, a green taffeta doublet, a canvas doublet striped blue, a canvas doublet striped red and silver, a plain canvas doublet (not yet received, Marshall noted), a pair of crimson velvet trunk hose with crimson silk stockings, a pair of carnation woolen trunk hose with woolen stockings to match, green leather trunk hose with green stockings and blue leather trunk hose with blue stockings, a white leather jerkin trimmed with gold, a red and black leather jerkin, six pairs of double-soled shoes, two white, two black and two blue shirts, a double taffeta coat and a short damask gown trimmed with velvet." “Elizabeth and Leicester” by Elizabeth Jenkins, pg 142. Has anyone ever come across a reference to a colored shirt, perhaps black or blue in color, in any contemporary reference of the later 16th century in England or nearby? While I am skeptical, any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 17:40:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HMe2HJ025022 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:40:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HMdIDt006875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:39:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HMaxrp037640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:37:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HMasab043126; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from proactive.newcastle.edu.au (proactive.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.4.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HMal8d042903 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jane_stockton@webcon.net.au) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.proactive.priv by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUT00I3R854MI00@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:36:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from ccb214-3dvvp1s.webcon.net.au ([134.148.170.190]) by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUT00C9H82F4840@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:35:03 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:35:04 +1100 From: Jane Stockton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? In-reply-to: <335274.15272.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0JUT00C9I82F4840@proactive.priv> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.311128, Antispam-Data: 2008.1.17.142055 References: <335274.15272.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='X_MAILER_EUDORA_7109 0.05, BODY_SIZE_800_899 0, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c2fb4d2-d6f8-4978-8f21-a6fab1f5df47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478FD916.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:39:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca At 09:21 AM 18/01/2008, you wrote: >Hello all, > > >Has anyone ever come across a reference to a colored >shirt, perhaps black or blue in color, in any >contemporary reference of the later 16th century in >England or nearby? While I am skeptical, any >information would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you, > >Kimiko Kimiko, I'm no expert, but could blue refer to a super bleached fabric? Isn't a bluing agent sometimes used to whiten discoloured white fabric? Cheers, Jane ------------------------------------ Jane Stockton - jane_stockton@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal website) Historical Needlework Resources - http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 18:18:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HNITnr026013 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:18:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HNHoqw019558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:17:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HNHFWk043128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HNHBRJ088715; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HNH7x3088560 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W37 ([65.55.138.72]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:17:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:17:02 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0JUT00C9I82F4840@proactive.priv> References: <335274.15272.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JUT00C9I82F4840@proactive.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2008 23:17:02.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[113DD810:01C8595F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 434dbcb4-40bc-4bb1-8842-12546457bbf5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478FE21F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I don't have the answer to your question, but you might want to ask on the = Renaissance Costume list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailo= r/ Ninya Mikhaila, (author of the Tudor Tailor) is on that list - she has done= a lot of inventory research - she may have come across more examples. Or = contact her yourself here: http://www.kissthefrog.co.uk/sixteenth.html She is very helpful I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it is German) women's costu= me which has a blue shirt. Sg =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 18:59:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HNxTMA026697 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:59:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HNwonK015743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0HNwKir048636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0HNwGiZ031778; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0HNwDn9031663 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28916 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 23:58:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C8h2BR/9pS6CZfxbNncTcWyYkoFjq0qnjm/7MHGjDrdqX59CeFxtX9zAtVDMEuJdZ7z/f4N1Zdfu5peNdDKapnxPDfsG4PHh7GgcV4wNZXbhblpYXy4qWK15shGugVqna3CjlOPOseDa+0UOsyeYXvfUYS7IRYf148A3ZjhTQGw=; X-YMail-OSG: uz9pqdQVM1m6dw7I6YilzHbxdRp_Pv9OSly7ZBAoLfgXzlfB2nhCQX3qOyF5oB73YOc86LNutBKRrSH3GIdeSNlqh_kXXySLF7_UNEpE931s89k15_44rWDquL7pSw-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:58:08 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0JUT00C9I82F4840@proactive.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <501400.28885.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e2a4d5d-b20a-4a99-95a7-42ec80527f89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478FEBBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca --- Jane Stockton wrote: > Kimiko, > > I'm no expert, but could blue refer to a super > bleached fabric? Isn't > a bluing agent sometimes used to whiten discoloured > white fabric? > > Cheers, > Jane Now that is an interesting thought, and one I hadn't even considered. Thank you Jane! Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fdfaa9d-89eb-4766-aabe-2ccfc40dba31 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478FEC39.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:01:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Thank you for that suggestion. I am on the list, and have sent off the question and hopefully Ninya or someone else there might know more. And do you have a link to your portrait? That would help. Thanks again, Kimiko --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > I don't have the answer to your question, but you > might want to ask on the Renaissance Costume list. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it > is German) women's costume which has a blue shirt. > > Sg > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 19:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0I06ofo026945 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:06:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0I05c7e020057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:06:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0I05J5C049462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0I05HDD038814; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0I05DUu038689 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78599 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 00:05:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4P1TleWK9+pKdR0fwv7cYdi2e9BBurSejTbUbNKLSiOeAlVinmfOAWV+ZZJdX7x7PDOFT+pVtFwjV5yhGSDc1iKGxx3R+PmS6YXpFEI/s/+p80kF5t3wRvtfmj+OmqtbZdjopH9Hns1ftv+VYF3A2s4a8q5XTLwy68RniO5qq2c=; X-YMail-OSG: _3A0q6IVM1mMNVx0Ajo76LMLFDER6Lod.H5JJt70g3myWIip7RR2KkDV4WyICFkhOGfe3ZSY2VufTDuQPe654PDVZ0G2AAdiXd7z4yJG7Mv6pesy.IFTVOTowNMSKA-- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:05:08 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:05:08 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] sweating sickness To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <557921.4039.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <257468.78539.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d5f2111-00e8-406a-b7db-1b853ca2bc64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 478FED52.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:06:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Carol, I googled and found this: http://ask.yahoo.com/20000412.html and this http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1043971&pageindex=1 MaggiRos --- Carol Mitchell wrote: > > One of the historical fiction novels I read year's > ago mentioned that the disease had an uncanny > ability to seek out Englishmen in other countries > (diet, perhaps?) & also that it seemed to be > associated with outbreaks of murrain in cattle. Does > anyone know the modern name for that disease? > Carol Mitchell > > > Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest > www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 17 19:12:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0I0CUPs027089 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:12:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0I0BqEI029017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0I0BK7P050132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0I0BJVs044314; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0I0BG3K044209 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.167]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0I0B9qa021651 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:11:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0JUT00C9I82F4840@proactive.priv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:11:09 -0800 References: <335274.15272.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0JUT00C9I82F4840@proactive.priv> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58875eb2-32a7-4e8f-a94d-f64781f34d70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 478FEEC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:11:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Jane Stockton wrote: > I'm no expert, but could blue refer to a super bleached fabric? > Isn't a bluing agent sometimes used to whiten discoloured white > fabric? True white, as measured by a spectrometer, is, to most of our eyes, a touch yellow. What we expect when we think of white is biased a little bit towards the blue. What does this mean to us? A blue wash acts to blunt the yellowing in fibers and make them look more "white." It's the original reason that old ladies used blue wash to tint their hair. Like so many things that started out as a good idea, it's often a touch over-done. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 08:48:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IDmpKu006657 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:48:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IDmCIO032755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:48:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IDlQHa034560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:47:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IDlCmN090731; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IDl8NH090564 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W40 ([65.55.138.75]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:47:03 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2008 13:47:03.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4668F0:01C859D8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3eeb9350-94a2-41ce-9ff7-6dab2439d3b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4790AE1C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:48:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca I will look for it this evening...I am pretty sure it is in the Thyssen-Bor= nemisza collection, but can't put my finger on this morning. Sg > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0800 > From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? > To: h-costume@indra.com > CC:=20 >=20 > Thank you for that suggestion. I am on the list, and > have sent off the question and hopefully Ninya or > someone else there might know more. >=20 > And do you have a link to your portrait? That would > help. >=20 > Thanks again, >=20 > Kimiko >=20 >=20 > --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > I don't have the answer to your question, but you > > might want to ask on the Renaissance Costume list. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > > > I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it > > is German) women's costume which has a blue shirt. > >=20 > > Sg > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_y= lt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 08:56:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IDuOhg006952 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:56:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IDtibF006171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IDtNWm035538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IDtMx2097809; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IDtIL3097685 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W34 ([65.55.138.69]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:55:14 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:55:13 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2008 13:55:14.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFE0DFA0:01C859D9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dbc92b69-ec34-4f10-bb97-8194b7f3a7f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4790AFE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:55:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom6= 05.html I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under = dress with this kind of cuff... Sg FYI - If you ever need a hi res picture of this collection, they are very h= elpful...a few years ago, they sent me two for free! > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0800 > From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? > To: h-costume@indra.com > CC:=20 >=20 > Thank you for that suggestion. I am on the list, and > have sent off the question and hopefully Ninya or > someone else there might know more. >=20 > And do you have a link to your portrait? That would > help. >=20 > Thanks again, >=20 > Kimiko >=20 >=20 > --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > I don't have the answer to your question, but you > > might want to ask on the Renaissance Costume list. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > > > I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it > > is German) women's costume which has a blue shirt. > >=20 > > Sg > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_y= lt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 10:01:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IF1nSv009311 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IF152U014890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IF0CHv041926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IExx60058560; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IExueB058426 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org) Received: from [68.164.95.216] (helo=[192.168.0.5]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JFshC-0008Ff-Oo for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:59:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:59:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca6956abb457f1b4332f52b82a1fdd1283a3135db358690e98fa5b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.95.216 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddcbe7e9-d1fe-4097-8bce-0560dc986f3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4790BF31.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca At 6:55 AM -0700 1/18/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >Ah Ha! >http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html > >I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an >under dress with this kind of cuff... The portrait shows the garment as being lined, however -- or magically blue on the outside and red on the inside. Whatever it is, I really don't think this is persuasive evidence for colored underwear (shirts). Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, PhD - skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ Shopping Online? Help support! - http://MedievalScotland.org/patron/ The most complete index of reliable web articles about pre-1600 names: The Medieval Names Archive - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 13:50:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IIolEX015838 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:50:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IIo2Yw025855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IImwvv085912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:48:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IImQ51047453; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:48:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.48.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IImKMo047274 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DBD113A4D1 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:48:16 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:48:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5c3044a-8bd4-4e6f-be38-0012055657c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4790F4DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca This appears to be false sleeves and not sleeves of a hemd. De -----Original Message----- Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under dress with this kind of cuff... Sg FYI - If you ever need a hi res picture of this collection, they are very helpful...a few years ago, they sent me two for free! > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0800 > From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? > To: h-costume@indra.com > CC: > > Thank you for that suggestion. I am on the list, and > have sent off the question and hopefully Ninya or > someone else there might know more. > > And do you have a link to your portrait? That would > help. > > Thanks again, > > Kimiko > > > --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > I don't have the answer to your question, but you > > might want to ask on the Renaissance Costume list. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > > > I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it > > is German) women's costume which has a blue shirt. > > > > Sg > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 13:58:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IIwrFG016050 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:58:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IIwERT016068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:58:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IIvs3q088079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IIvnkI058825; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0IIvGld058162 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74999 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 18:57:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vl/iTWEP1u4roytWFjqqKQA1y+qJXbYmaBxti4/LlwG1Js2fscC1sAvu0/IJmpckuP64vip4nX9wao9UI+qxXquli/j+fcF8bP0wiuPO8A1HZ5goN4eLTNsWAoLBjyMkjWqDzZHmtD7U/zLiV9QKtX9EuShtuHODUVif1gezfZc=; X-YMail-OSG: SYeUOAQVM1k7W2.2PYFQdRvePobIp7ShRBI0oH54EQB97QbaiydjthqlGz52HlCku1OSonycZ9I72kgE0JA_aUArTtJju1unQV5r9ieGLWkdgwmoYtc- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:57:11 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <674199.73989.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ed203c9-b3c2-4a2c-a541-620ab8011c81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4790F6C6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:58:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca I have in my search for documentation on this subject found 3, count'em, 3, but they're sketchy as evidence goes. 1. King Edward VI's coronation shirtwas crimson or scarlet (I forget which, but it was red). Presumably this is not a good dample for the rest of us, since a) he was a king and b) it was a coronation. The red was probably emblematic of sacrifice or war or something. This is listed in Herbert Norris's detail of the coronation garb, in whichever volume that is. 2. I have been told--though I can't remember by whom-- that Philip Sidney's post-mortem inventory listed a black shirt, but I haven't seen this myself. 3. In a book I have about the Throckmortons (but I'm at the office, not at home, of course), a gentleman's letter to his factor requests a certain amount of tawney fabric for a shirt. Whether we are to take "tawney" as a color or as a type of fabric, I don't know. That's all I got. References with page number available on request. MaggiRos --- "Sharon L. Krossa" wrote: > At 6:55 AM -0700 1/18/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > >Ah Ha! > >http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html > > > >I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but > I've never seen an > >under dress with this kind of cuff... > > The portrait shows the garment as being lined, > however -- or > magically blue on the outside and red on the inside. > Whatever it is, > I really don't think this is persuasive evidence for > colored > underwear (shirts). > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 14:30:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IJTx4W016751 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:29:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IJTJ6J006489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:29:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IJRgDK094779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IJRdHF097310; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IJRXeV097056 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c35.26965bd5 (29678) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:15 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Venice Carnival Hat Etiquette? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ee85e25-dc53-47d9-b801-1304560685de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4790FE10.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Anybody know the etiquette of whether hats are worn indoors or not a t the Venice Carnival? For some customers whose outfits am making. Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 14:31:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IJVNOb016786 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:31:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IJUh9n023152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IJUAjV095114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IJU50v000287; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IJTsPp099889 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.73]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080118192948.BJQL15841.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:29:48 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.73]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080118192946.SGLS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:29:46 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:28:40 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20080118192946.SGLS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Diversarum nationum habitus X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 696254d0-e104-430c-b15c-d0c5f3f18560 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4790FE63.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:30:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I went looking for PIETRO BERTELLI's Diversarum=20 nationum habitus (late 16th C Italian costume)=20 and found several very interesting sites along=20 the way. Ain't serendipity wonderful! Thought that I'd pass them along and the links to=20 the images of Diversarum nationum habitus in case=20 anyone else might be interested. Beth ------------------------------------------- AN ANALYTIC BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ON-LINE NEO-LATIN TEXTS http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/index.htm one of the sites that it indexes is FONDAZIONE ISTITUTO INTERNAZIONALE DI STORIA ECONOMICA "F. DATINI" LIBRARY ONLINE - Images for economic and social history http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/en/presenta.htm "Thanks to our collaboration with a number of=20 important Italian libraries, we are in the=20 process of acquiring and cataloguing images in=20 manuscripts and printed volumes produced between=20 the 14th and the 15th century. " ---------------------------------------------- Cover and entry http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/it/riccard/12886/ St. 12886, PIETRO BERTELLI, Diversarum nationum habitus. Patavii, apud Alciatum Alcia et Petrum=20 Bertellium, 1594-1596 - incisore: Pietro Bertelli http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/it/riccard/12886/htm/elenco.htm http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/it/riccard/12886/htm/vol1.htm Vol. 1 - DIVERSARUM NATIONUM/ HABITUS/ Centum, et=20 quattuor iconibus in/ aere incisis diligenter=20 expressi/ item/ ORDINES DUO PROCESSIONUM /Unus/=20 SUMMI PONTIFICIS /Alter/ SERENISS. /Principis=20 Venetiarum/ opera/ PETRI BERTELLII. /Ad Ill.um D.=20 Io. Reinhardum Comite/ ab Hanau et D. in=20 Liechtemburg./ Apud Alciatum Alcia et/ Petrum Betellium. Patavij./1594 [3] c., 2 tav., 104 (ma 94) ill. *=20 Fi= g.=20 3 - Vergine veneta *=20 Fi= g.=20 4 - Senatore veneto *=20 Fi= g.=20 5 - Vedova veneta *=20 Fi= g.=20 6 - Cortigiana veneta *=20 F= ig.=20 6 - Cortigiana veneta (sotto il vestito) *=20 F= ig.=20 13 - Giureconsulto padovano *=20 F= ig.=20 15 - Mercante ebreo padovano *=20 F= ig.=20 14 (ma 16) - Medico padovano *=20 F= ig.=20 17 - Venditrice di frutta e verdura padovana *=20 F= ig.=20 18 (ma 20) - Venditore di ricotta padovano *=20 F= ig.=20 19 - Nobile matrona mantovana *=20 F= ig.=20 22 (ma 23) - Contadina bolognese *=20 F= ig.=20 28 - Donna sposata romana *=20 F= ig.=20 31 - Nobile napoletana *=20 F= ig.=20 32 - Cavaliere di Malta *=20 F= ig.=20 37 (ma 34) - Rettore dell'Universit=E0 di Parigi *=20 F= ig.=20 41 - "Navicularis Britannus" detto volgamente Bretone *=20 F= ig.=20 43 - Nobile sposa di Danzica *=20 F= ig.=20 44 - Patrizio della Germania inferiore in abito solenne *=20 F= ig.45=20 - Cavaliere germanico in abiti domestici *=20 F= ig.=20 60 - Venditrice di pane macedone *=20 F= ig.=20 75 (ma 66) - Medico giudeo, vestito secondo l'uso costantinopolitano *=20 F= ig.=20 90 (ma 82) - Cuoco dell'imperatore turco *=20 = Fig.=20 103 (ma 91) - Pellegrino de La Mecca L= e=20 tavole: 13, 37, 67, 75, 90 si trovano anche=20 presso la Biblioteca Casanatense di Roma. N. XII. 38/1 CC - Diversarum nationum habitus=20 centum et quattuor inconibus inaere incisis=20 diligenter expressi, item ordines duo=20 preocesionum, unus Summi Pontificis, alter=20 Sereniss. Principis Venetiarum, opera Petri=20 Bertelli ..., Patavii, apud A. Alcia et P. Bertellium, 1589 Padova, Alciato Alciati & Pietro Bertelli, 1589,=20 1591 - Xilografie: Non specificato (incisore), Girolamo Franco (incisore) 8=B0, 2 v. in 1 : ill. - Incisioni xilografiche - Primo volume Le= =20 tavole: 13, 37, 67, 75, 90 si trovano anche=20 presso la Biblioteca Riccardiana di Firenze. Raccolta di incisioni comunemente indicata sotto=20 il nome dell'editore-calcografo Bertelli, ma in=20 realt=E0 frutto dell'opera di pi=F9 incisori rimasti=20 per lo pi=F9 anonimi; soltanto su alcune stampe si=20 legge la sigla di Giacomo Franco, incisore di=20 un'ancor pi=F9 fortunata serie di costumi=20 veneziani. Questa raccolta di costumi ebbe una=20 vicenda editoriale articolata: a questo primo=20 volume datato 1589, ma preceduto da una dedica=20 dell'editore al conte Johann Reinhard von Hanau=20 del 1591 e composto di 104 immagini, seguirono un=20 secondo tomo, nel 1591, di 79 figure e un terzo,=20 nel 1596, con 78 costumi. L'opera conobbe=20 numerose riedizioni, ma oggi sono molto rari gli=20 esemplari completi. Anche l'esemplare=20 casanatense, in cui sono rilegati insieme il=20 primo volume, privo del frontespizio, ed il=20 secondo, =E8 fortemente mutilo in entrambe le=20 parti. (cfr. Catalogo della mostra 'Il rancio di=20 bordo', Roma, Ministero per i beni culturali e ambientali, 1992, p. 17) *=20 Rector=20 Patauinae Vniuersitatis, tav. 40 *=20 Tabellarius=20 Ragousanus, tav. 61 *=20 Rusticorum=20 fere hic habitus est in Graecia, tav. 76 *=20 Turcica=20 mulier in balneis, tav. 81 *=20 Saqua=20 peregrinator Mechanus qui obuijs aquam propinat religionis ergo.., tav. 103 http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/it/riccard/12886/htm/vol2.htm Vol. 2 - TO. ALTER/ DIVERSAR. NATIONUM/ HABITUS=20 NUNC PRIMUM/ EDITI A PE. BERTELLIO/ quib. Addita=20 sunt/ ORDO ROMANI IMPERII/ ab OTHONE II=20 institutus/ POMPA REGIS TURCARUM/ et/=20 PERSONATORUM VESTITUS/ varii,quorum est in=20 Italia/ frequens usus./ Ad generosissimum=20 equitem, et D. /D. Wolfgangum Ludov./ ab Hutten,=20 etc./ Patavini 1594. - [3] c., 79 ill. (ma 60).=20 Tav. 26 monogramma HR o FR ;TAV 65 incisa da Giacomo Franco *=20 F= ig.=20 17 - (ma 14) Portatore di cesti con cibi (facchino) *=20 F= ig.=20 18 - (ma 17) =93Expensator italus=94 http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/it/riccard/12886/htm/vol3.htm Vol. 3 - TO. ALTER/ DIVERSAR. NATIONUM/ HABITUS./=20 Collectore Petro Bertello/ Tomus III./ AD=20 ILLUSTRISS. D.D./ GEORGIUM HARTMANUM/ BARONEM A=20 TEUFEENPACH/ DOMINUM IN MAIRHOFEN/ ET . C./=20 Patavij MDXCVI - [3] c., 78 ill. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:46:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca At 19:27 18/01/2008, you wrote: >Anybody know the etiquette of whether hats are worn indoors or not a t the >Venice Carnival? > >For some customers whose outfits am making. > Look at Pietro Longhi for examples, but my feeling is that they did. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:22:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKMowF019226 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:22:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IKLtdH028065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:22:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IKL7D9004260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:21:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKKxCX062931; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:20:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKKrqG062766 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=kcTZ8Y5AUYkMOYjIQMa8GNo5X6SPfNN//e7BLY5N+APgLQ40TO9JfV8QHr2wFf1d; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.29] (helo=mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JFxho-0005zB-FL for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:20:48 -0500 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <25361280.1200687648421.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:20:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cae5ad69a8446bd16f38ca24e72037db5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 598d55b0-8e0f-46a9-8493-2f9571c29dca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47910A63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:22:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Sharon wrote: >At 6:55 AM -0700 1/18/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: >>Ah Ha! >>http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html >> >>I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an >>under dress with this kind of cuff... > >The portrait shows the garment as being lined, however -- or >magically blue on the outside and red on the inside. Whatever it is, >I really don't think this is persuasive evidence for colored >underwear (shirts). To me, the clincher is that you *can* see a shirt or partlet in the front gap of the gown, at and below the neckline -- and it's white, just as one would expect. There's no sign of the blue-and-red garment in that front opening, which to me says that it must be open all the way down the front. I've never seen a cuff like that on an underdress either, but I'd be more willing to accept that it's an undergown with odd cuffs than a shirt that is open all the way to the waist :). ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:54:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKsBuv020720 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:54:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IKrTTO002820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IKlvZL007123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKlr5M094183; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKlmVk093953 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W36 ([65.55.138.71]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:47:43 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:43 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2008 20:47:43.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FB82040:01C85A13] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3b81f84-ba40-405c-9fac-335a6d17709e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 479111C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:53:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Fair enough, but I don't think the query required it to be "underwear" per = se. Anyone know when shirt became applicable to "over the underwear" rathe= r than the first layer? =20 Sg > From: otsisto@socket.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:48:25 -0600 > CC:=20 >=20 > This appears to be false sleeves and not sleeves of a hemd. >=20 > De >=20 > -----Original Message----- > Ah Ha! > http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.htm= l >=20 > I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an unde= r > dress with this kind of cuff... >=20 > Sg >=20 > FYI - If you ever need a hi res picture of this collection, they are very > helpful...a few years ago, they sent me two for free! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0800 > > From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > CC: > > > > Thank you for that suggestion. I am on the list, and > > have sent off the question and hopefully Ninya or > > someone else there might know more. > > > > And do you have a link to your portrait? That would > > help. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Kimiko > > > > > > --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't have the answer to your question, but you > > > might want to ask on the Renaissance Costume list. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > > > > > I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it > > > is German) women's costume which has a blue shirt. > > > > > > Sg > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ > ________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:56:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKukDP020818 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:56:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IKu4ke024747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:56:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IKtmx7008293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKth7D003189; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IKtaVR003057 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.253.211.160]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JUU00C5KY4ILX00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:55:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:55:31 -0500 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00d901c85a14$769fd090$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 105a97b8-8e29-4789-a55c-14a22cf97dfc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47911264.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:56:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca 20th century, for european use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Fair enough, but I don't think the query required it to be "underwear" per se. Anyone know when shirt became applicable to "over the underwear" rather than the first layer? Sg > From: otsisto@socket.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:48:25 -0600 > CC: > > This appears to be false sleeves and not sleeves of a hemd. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Ah Ha! > http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html > > I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under > dress with this kind of cuff... > > Sg > > FYI - If you ever need a hi res picture of this collection, they are very > helpful...a few years ago, they sent me two for free! > > > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0800 > > From: sstormwatch@yahoo.com > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colored shirts in the 16th century? > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > CC: > > > > Thank you for that suggestion. I am on the list, and > > have sent off the question and hopefully Ninya or > > someone else there might know more. > > > > And do you have a link to your portrait? That would > > help. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Kimiko > > > > > > --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't have the answer to your question, but you > > > might want to ask on the Renaissance Costume list. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > > > > > I have a portrait of a Netherlander's (or maybe it > > > is German) women's costume which has a blue shirt. > > > > > > Sg > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:19:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMJUes024428 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:19:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IMIp12032510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:18:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IMHlph018786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:17:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMHcME099104; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMHVx7098864 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c47.29d85c28 (39952) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:17:21 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49e412c2-6754-46d0-a38c-5353c6504e00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479125CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:18:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:58:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maggiros@yahoo.com writes: 3. In a book I have about the Throckmortons (but I'm at the office, not at home, of course), a gentleman's letter to his factor requests a certain amount of tawney fabric for a shirt. Whether we are to take "tawney" as a color or as a type of fabric, I don't know. ****************** Tawny being usually a light color, and in the orange/sandy/cream range [and the orange part seems to be a later definition] he could just mean an off-white shirt rather than white-white, or perhaps an unbleached raw linen. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:20:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMKAhQ024461 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IMJVMK031611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IMJBKB019159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMJAH4001198; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMIuRI000738 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d52.215abd66 (39952) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:18:32 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e8359db-1052-4c06-a826-dd5392c07c7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 479125F3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:19:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:51:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: This appears to be false sleeves and not sleeves of a hemd. *********** Indeed. I mean it's lined in red. Does that sound like a "shirt" or chimese? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:42:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMgHMc025327 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:42:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0IMfcYZ016224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:41:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IMfAKZ021459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMf5bA024090; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMewnw023909 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cfd.2725c70f (39952) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:30:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c63680e8-884c-4f5d-ac85-127d44748124 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47912B22.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:41:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:56:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r.carnegie@verizon.net writes: Anyone know when shirt became applicable to "over the underwear" rather than the first layer? ************************ Well, it depends on whether it's cold or not, I would think. And, y'know, that early Louis XIV "petticoat breeches" period shows oodles of shirt. I mean a ridiculous amount! And it all looks white, even if adorned with colored embroideries or ribbons. In the sixteenth century, shirts are pretty much white. As to natural fiber colors...especially in the lower classes, I can't say. And don't you start to get striped and calico [as in floral prints] shirts, albeit rarely, in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 19:27:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J0R38H030626 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:27:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0J0QNo6015698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J0PZYs031833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J0PN4Q035379; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:25:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMlAar031082 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1021048rvf.11 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4p9/22Lb7k6tTU2gSP6l6V59Ka086HJS+DVRMFHRZLw=; b=aKzVcs8HBI1e/Yyi6mciTHxdZAwYMKlJjyYg+o6Hu81CfpgZZSsuqmWAINYvKBJxjd59BgsF+mEqUuAxOx4nKfVHT2dHktOYN3LvP3T1uT2pjpNkkORc4Z7AziUDxnm/ygZA9BnV+8ZtKid004vyWTEadbG9ECL8s0BIgWtWf7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DcjXSSgVuIsp6ElACKuXQ0ZrjztDz5eYzLq/0NS0OJDJyhU2gsbsaT7l4BEXMKy7jyf/f+pDkPz8hDBoL1nBBO6o0uvGhPl0iwacshmWJcdzpCeldx8yk47iuRxKY1jRrUzDRuaKyjlHte0MkkL0PF4TsUYN+MmAxX6hl178EDw= Received: by 10.141.75.6 with SMTP id c6mr2767057rvl.43.1200696424208; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:47:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660801181447k791ea0e1gcd1a92e80d1d0ac8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:47:04 -0600 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: a0ebac43-9810-4a5e-bae1-610ff3192b2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 479143AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:26:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca It could be a 'waistcoat' , sometimes called a 'shirt' in inventories, meaning a layer for warmth. Usually you find them as flannen, flannel, rarely lined silk, or sometimes linsey-woolsey, other materials are possible, I'm just not at my resources. 2cents reading out of context. Mari On Jan 18, 2008 2:47 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Fair enough, but I don't think the query required it to be "underwear" per se. Anyone know when shirt became applicable to "over the underwear" rather than the first layer? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 19:56:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J0usMk032201 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:56:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0J0u4RH019071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:56:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J0tdlJ035642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:55:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J0tbFM059982; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:55:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J0tYsq059903 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:55:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so703916ugd.17 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:55:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OB3wHtlVYepBzdDG0iHVp1vEA9HlPzgaXRvVgjAMYa8=; b=ngsZP85XkMoqFSfdZLmLogCgOG2s/nUpT+4zFNdG3ukC47gEW7ozGb3pVqDKjmzTNt9Z69gWkxKHUJJqjaVTlb0pidLbsgAVmqwIRAj5+i5GQZ7Sckl2Lzw2S53ZmIwShTtQ+78tPwKViPlRbOeim83b8I+Kh/4GKC0qtdCs6rk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rAfwiAVOarFONK0QMfVnEpcUrMV3POlMXd+9JDV4t8P8lYukaW5rm3dDao7PbiHZyfh0cyowx6re9pYviwHvhJnIfK47MI9F5R6piKxjw7vXMs7NOgIvkDVqezQBpmv0Tx8YNG3vdiAsC5FNxmo5padx6KuAlYWQ4rLczqCDlg0= Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr1304438ugj.6.1200704128555; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.98.14 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:55:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0801181655i1e2a898fk7b52c0227e0e9fff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:55:28 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <509636.13485.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dca95565-aa0b-4ca4-a0e1-d1b60147d768 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47914AA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:56:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca > Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html > > I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under dress with this kind of cuff... This type of sleeve appears quite often in dress of Cologne. They are separate sleeves (and here are made with a damask) and come in a variety of styles and are definitely not underwear. But I suspect that what is seen at the neck is a partlet. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Barthel_Bruyn_3.png http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bartholom%C3%A4us_Bruyn_d._%C3%84._003.jpg http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=22046 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bruyn_Anne_of_Cleves.jpg I don't think this shows a dress and undersleeve but it shows this sort of cuff treatment is associated with outerlayers. The most common type is very fitted and usually of a piled fabric. But here are even some with short fur turnbacks. There are some Saxon images that show what may be a coloured "shirt" type garment. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1525cranyounglady.htm (Ignore the text, I think the person who told me about the painting was talking about the gown not the inner layer.) And another of one of the Emperors but in his case (painted terracotta bust) it looks like there is a high necked shirt underneath. Michaela de Bruce (Cleves/Cologne is my "pet" area and I have been trawling through appropriate extant texts to find information. So far the undersleeves appear quite often in one huge inventary with the goller, suggesting they were ordered together and have a similar function- warmth and decoration.) http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 18 20:55:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J1tVmV002600 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:55:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0J1spFp032403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:54:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J0Q9ZS031905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0J0Q8bK036008; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:26:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0IMq30H038706 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:52:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.253.211.160]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JUV00MFE3DGDAA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:48:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:51:42 -0500 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <005501c85a24$b22f83c0$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebfb028c-ea47-4a14-8685-e42529c22c75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4791586B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:54:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca You do get colored shirts in the 19th century, but they are still underwear. Meant to be worn under other clothing. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? > > In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:56:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > r.carnegie@verizon.net writes: > > Anyone know when shirt became applicable to "over the underwear" rather > than the first layer? > > > > ************************ > > Well, it depends on whether it's cold or not, I would think. > > And, y'know, that early Louis XIV "petticoat breeches" period shows oodles > of shirt. I mean a ridiculous amount! And it all looks white, even if > adorned > with colored embroideries or ribbons. In the sixteenth century, shirts are > pretty much white. > > As to natural fiber colors...especially in the lower classes, I can't say. > And don't you start to get striped and calico [as in floral prints] > shirts, > albeit rarely, in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries? > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 19 12:07:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0JH7ZwK022593 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:07:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0JH6tVo013129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0JH6HlM030137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0JH6Cxs089334; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:06:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0JH680V089221 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c28.28942413 (30737) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:05:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 099dee45-2ef3-43f7-a04a-37cc81d114c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47922E2F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:07:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca In a message dated 1/18/2008 7:56:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com writes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Barthel_Bruyn_3.png http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bartholom%C3%A4us_Bruyn_d._%C3%84._003 .jpg **************** I love the huge wide belts with enormous buckles. I've never noticed them before...such wide ones [that orange quilted one in the 1st pic is fantastic!] and worn in this style with the end through the buckle and just hanging. I never really studied this region before. Is it just a regional thing? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 19 13:15:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0JIFVQI025504 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:15:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0JIEqaQ002907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0JIDpJM037603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0JIDk5H053196; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0JIDguc053040 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fAGn4W8PQL8b0W+l2bdoOzBEi2U+cNHFERsg7ohTyhmEu+XTLHoO9XVQjxijwnxY; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.102.89] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JGICG-0006dl-Ux for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:13:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:14:14 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4782aa7e4ca26bfcccf9687cc118c845426ed629564dd8c9c43350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.102.89 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ce670dd-8954-4d22-ba3e-451eab572ab5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47923E1C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:14:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:05 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/18/2008 7:56:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com writes: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Barthel_Bruyn_3.png > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bartholom%C3%A4us_Bruyn_d._% > C3%84._003 > .jpg > > > > **************** > > I love the huge wide belts with enormous buckles. I've never > noticed them > before...such wide ones [that orange quilted one in the 1st pic is > fantastic!] > and worn in this style with the end through the buckle and just > hanging. I > never really studied this region before. Is it just a regional > thing? The first one looks more to me like gold brocading than quilting. Compare the effect to gold-brocaded tablet weaving. (I'm not suggesting I think the belt is tablet-woven -- although I suppose that's one possibility -- just that the effect of the brocading thread is similar.) The second picture nicely shows a white shirt/chemise _and_ the colored ruffled cuff, which is therefore clearly a different garment. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 20 21:42:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L2gKO2002010 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0L2feZu020578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:41:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0L2f0GG019244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L2eqOB083594; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L2enxm083556 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F3F3806A for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:44:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:41:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca On Saturday 19 January 2008, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:05 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > I love the huge wide belts with enormous buckles. I've never > > noticed them > > before...such wide ones [that orange quilted one in the 1st pic is > > fantastic!] > > and worn in this style with the end through the buckle and just > > hanging. I > > never really studied this region before. Is it just a regional > > thing? > > The first one looks more to me like gold brocading than quilting. > Compare the effect to gold-brocaded tablet weaving. (I'm not > suggesting I think the belt is tablet-woven -- although I suppose > that's one possibility -- just that the effect of the brocading > thread is similar.) I'm not convinced that the belt is either brocaded or quilted; it could be embossed leather. Interesting portrait--and a good illustration of how difficult it can be to tease costume information even out of art that was intended to be fairly representational. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 21 04:16:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L9G3Ei010363 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:16:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0L9FMSp017731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0L9EkMJ051282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L9EhSw029030; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L9Ef4g028964 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1064007ugd.17 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:14:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=bvwZh5g0o8bbqHnE+pAVOmbHW0B9Awv0X1wipiQ83/A=; b=U6ussT6Vj9/1TKHYjbXZzYooG64ZR8kjbkyALG7jHskURGFsBvU8nLKd7olKD6j8MXH3CEWn6W3lWVX3k4B9pNewBgeO3MnJcepRtkF1F+C6/u1RvrfVcfAijVqW2xJgw03IqGm9iBtAftqEcUgWyFaQXOyUXXt5i7paxs4lpr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=k1NHPHlCKdQfao3cIP5mbcPfPiAurJ5jptPh2YLYv+IizLnmsCgkuMjqU7p8PPxTYlM0yWeCRo99CB2M1ukYM0C11BqaOGFRUFQPNAGvhJPALyPw8yKBFFzwG578xzUz0cq0Bh8u0EpkWPJCWmRBBW4GKuuFriQrJiDwIghz0lk= Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr4118467ugj.6.1200906874744; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.98.14 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:14:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0801210114w9e1a495s4dee587d91899489@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:14:34 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleves/Colgne dres., was Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7eea89f-ea0c-4b41-b15b-953f3cbdd892 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 479462AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:15:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Barthel_Bruyn_3.png > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bartholom%C3%A4us_Bruyn_d._%C3%84._003 > .jpg > I love the huge wide belts with enormous buckles. I've never noticed them > before...such wide ones [that orange quilted one in the 1st pic is fantastic!] > and worn in this style with the end through the buckle and just hanging. I > never really studied this region before. Is it just a regional thing? It is indeed a very regional style:) I've made a study to try and work out how far the style spread and it seems to be pretty confined. I have looked at the duchies of the area of modern day NorthRhine Westphalia and it really does show an amazing blend of "Dutch" and "German styles". In fact there is an extant buckle in a museum. http://www.wesel.de/wese/eng/fotomuseum.html You'll need to click the arrows a couple of times: "Belt buckle - master from the rhineland or lower rhineland, working in the 16th century, about 1530/1560; only a few copies have been preserved. It was only shown on panels by Bartholom?us Bruyn the elder and his workshop." I did find a reference to a pearled belt in the huge inventary, and they are also worn of this wide buckle variety. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bruyn_c_1542.jpg There was also a kind which was worn with a large roundel at the front held by intricate chain work. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Barthel_Bruyn_-_Salsburg.png http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bruyn_Young_Woman.jpg I chose this latter style for my recreation of a later portrait: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2cleves.htm I believe the gold belts to be brocaded narrow ware, in most cases, as you often see the same lines used to indicate brocade cloth on these belts: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bartholom%C3%A4us_Bruyn_d._%C3%84._002.jpg The lines go widthways which makes sens if they are woven specifically to that width. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 21 04:16:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L9G845010378 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:16:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0L9FR4O023705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:15:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0L9Ewch051291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L9EvAI029185; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0L9ErCN029128 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.61146587; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:14:42 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m0L9EcR12227.; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:14:42 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:14:37 +0000 Message-Id: <4794627202000014000E1004@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:14:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200801191900.m0JJ095q008254@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200801191900.m0JJ095q008254@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7429c4a7-d433-481b-a310-70873da0a612 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 479462AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:15:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca A few men in our 17th century society like to wear black shirts and claim = historical justification, but the practice is generally frowned on. As for when shirts ceased to be considered as underwear (i.e. it became = acceptable to be seen in public with a large part of the shirt showing), I = agree with Ron that it wasn't until the 20th century. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:06:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0LM6Khk026364 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:06:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0LM5cWB022679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:05:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0LM4d2M054290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0LM4XdS091946; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0LM4TYT091782 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47124 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 22:04:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nUliThCuBJxJwtm25a7iXNdNa8qOXlDqv7PPs/JCPsQeVGdRy0ZxkHhcESO/Hv7ucURGR+cf7eIgYAemmuUYFbo9Yz4cIp5g1+5mxP5OsLcRXMRngR4yT6fzMkf2khQfGA9WVGI1JrlP1LTX6O4w4CF0at4OtjlnL4GHRO6XLcc=; X-YMail-OSG: dhHegOUVM1nCzb00o8z4omy.9BFPvPw2FEYGFETR2PudYdBBEtg6y.JOoSgSnjr8EuIIyQ-- Received: from [76.173.37.27] by web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:04:23 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:04:23 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume , Kate , Jess Malcom , Regina Voorhes In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0801210114w9e1a495s4dee587d91899489@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <203452.46642.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 621a842d-5505-4333-ab07-ab8ae4adf09f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47951732.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:05:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FUZZY_VPILL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Hi all, I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the closet and found a bunch of stuff from high school. Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or so magazines (Tiger Beat or whatever) that fall into the category we called "Beatles magazines". They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, including current, mid- to late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing pack em up and send 'em for shipping costs from California. There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings calendars, for you fantasy costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by the Hildebrandt brothers, and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it came in!). Same terms. Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:51:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M0ppYO032019 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:51:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0M0pBJV021781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:51:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0M0oV6o071253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M0oSQt064486; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M0oO5h064424 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD72581000C6; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:48:50 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <73fb7a5f0801210114w9e1a495s4dee587d91899489@mail.gmail.com> <203452.46642.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 60s source material available Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:50:22 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c85c90$c52e6fe0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <203452.46642.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchceYYPcTTaXLo4QhiosWcHEn0dAgAFwFdg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87b95e1f-ac9f-4fb0-bfff-026513e79f4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47953DFF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:51:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FUZZY_VPILL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Do any of the LotR calendars have the map, with all 7 of the Fellowship walking next to each other across either the top or bottom? I remember a poster like that and was trying to show it to my 12 yr old. If so, I'd love it. Sharon Collier -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:04 PM To: Historical Costume; Kate; Jess Malcom; Regina Voorhes Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available Hi all, I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the closet and found a bunch of stuff from high school. Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or so magazines (Tiger Beat or whatever) that fall into the category we called "Beatles magazines". They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, including current, mid- to late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing pack em up and send 'em for shipping costs from California. There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings calendars, for you fantasy costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by the Hildebrandt brothers, and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it came in!). Same terms. Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 21 21:14:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M2E7uR001954 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:14:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0M2DRHq013476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0M26bhu078249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M26MBp028715; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0M26Js2028611 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26218 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2008 02:06:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CxJLdjNRwvmY8QjN5cajNEnYkmh5b8a/mXimGshnKBk/PBjZG2YPlSKBPrGYjI274gpO14UIZstxa3pb71IM7ve7YNmUXbH3zMqbv/fQsNGNTfumxd4tCx/EG1hLs/YitHZTbvDJ2ruxA70NPPlwgluOY/xAMcHybIx2o9IQvJ4=; X-YMail-OSG: IrWPHxUVM1naxjIsFg8XVbxFWLy4bpX.kSXhs6vnhDZ3K7diMX8raiLHVnoJnRrDfb9vr7QTJ.d.SdjKMOjBYV8FSQWe9G1dEqT73dFUVDFxZF6DDc4- Received: from [76.173.37.27] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:06:14 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <203452.46642.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <594473.24089.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1ba6248-0d0b-4fc0-985f-67e135712c87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47955147.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:13:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FUZZY_VPILL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I should point out that the magazines were read to death when I was a teenager, and most of the covers are missing. So as collectibles, they're not worth anything in terms of cash, but the pictures are good. MaggiRos --- MaggiRos wrote: > Hi all, > > I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the > closet and found a bunch of stuff from high school. > Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or so > magazines (Tiger Beat or whatever) that fall into > the > category we called "Beatles magazines". They're full > of the Beatles and other teen stuff, including > current, mid- to late-60s fashions. If you want > them, > I'm willing pack em up and send 'em for shipping > costs > from California. > > There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings > calendars, for you fantasy costumers. These are from > the mid 70s, mostly by the Hildebrandt brothers, and > one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it came > in!). > Same terms. > > Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. > > MaggiRos > > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple > farmers. The > village was burning when we got here. > > Anon. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 21 21:54:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M2s7PF002659 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:54:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0M2rPsm005640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0M2r59W081543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M2r2WH065089; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta15.adelphia.net (mta15.adelphia.net [68.168.78.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M2qxJf064947 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20080122025253.XFZZ4230.mta15.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <147D305F44DC45E69EBBD8F764901EF7@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0801210114w9e1a495s4dee587d91899489@mail.gmail.com><203452.46642.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002301c85c90$c52e6fe0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <002301c85c90$c52e6fe0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:52:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71eec8fb-7728-4985-b8c2-207feb8159d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47955AA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:53:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FUZZY_VPILL,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I would be interested in the old LotR calendars--as many as you can spare! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 60s source material available > Do any of the LotR calendars have the map, with all 7 of the Fellowship > walking next to each other across either the top or bottom? I remember a > poster like that and was trying to show it to my 12 yr old. If so, I'd > love > it. > Sharon Collier > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of MaggiRos > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:04 PM > To: Historical Costume; Kate; Jess Malcom; Regina Voorhes > Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available > > Hi all, > > I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the closet and found a bunch > of stuff from high school. > Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or so magazines (Tiger Beat > or whatever) that fall into the category we called "Beatles magazines". > They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, including current, mid- > to > late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing pack em up and send 'em > for shipping costs from California. > > There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings calendars, for you > fantasy > costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by the Hildebrandt brothers, > and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it came in!). > Same terms. > > Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. > > MaggiRos > > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was > burning when we got here. > > Anon. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 01:03:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M63l2P008946 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:03:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0M637Mg020781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:03:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0M62WlK096483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:02:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M62SkD011376; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M62OfR011336 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1JHCDG0tfb-0008CM; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c85cbc$29458c90$6601a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:00:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/n/VG9cwVFqNDv2a6Kw1XQkwLhlfmRpfffAZq Eqfkzv9p6w+/UQ8yvyzTTTz25r1p7RmYqGjWSgCRGB1+xbRaUv o3BXvG8NefvjEYJRD6Vrw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1790s-1895U.S. Industry Patents by Women Inventors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59bc9183-7d5e-4bd8-8d19-9b5253a767c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4795871B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Someone put this on another list. This is a fantastic link... http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/sub.php?iname=3DClothing = Click on the patent numbers for images. Is this patent for a maternity corset? http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/213094/01.jpg Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 02:41:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M7fqAZ031257 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:41:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0M7fBdb014574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:41:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0M7eZ9w002389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M7eTYT072308; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0M7eQpc072264 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JHDk80nQW-0004Hc; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:40:26 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:38:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+nHTyQuCe8QfHP6DKPM71UH6TPXuIeBZWY5hm UVqnWNm1rgai6B3qmGfRuvC5hp+Y8n+WeuJ00eefiLiLrxKZX6 m5QPsVT5c3sfExRiXIWXQ== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d6a1a38-36e4-4992-a57d-a826f20d6311 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47959E17.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:41:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about = sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard = treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full = of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are = for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my = box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is = located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This = type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, = smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not = sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:17:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MEHXUf013884 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:17:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MEGqQo018609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:16:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MEGFXO049197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MEGBtV020690; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:16:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0MEG8BS020552 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 42956 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2008 14:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.168.106 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2008 14:16:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nMCoQzsVM1n3aVMSa5mZw3P6iRpiAYtxuu_HYXgYpaI_hMq2QXyYJaaIrrK1nmQEUxLjnXnUQK4uL1uUw8izl6E8aXBS9cL_FiQntI_m4UHpirIaWmJReD6lAaWtkTY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c85d01$545f95c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db921e82-2aa2-4385-957c-6198c4c0fc67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4795FAD4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:16:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Not shure about the large flat one; but the others are for rolled hems like hankies, scarves, and promgowns. A most useful attachment! My old White had a picot attachment that would "draw threads" and pierce them, for insertions or other design elements . This was very useful for working on 1920's dresses and gowns. I really miss that one; have never seen it in any other box of attachments. When I was trying to identify old tools like these, I went to the local senior home and spent some time with the old gals in their work room. Great conversation and resource. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:21:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MELYIG013975 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:21:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MEKp7v030592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:20:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MEKV4J049782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MEKViW025290; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MEKRcX025154 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=p8U90wqw5Cd42xzS4SvOCE8/atRcM7oSQJrrOD1aelxWKIoa7CeWGUd83qPL7UPi; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.65] by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JHJzB-0005GL-4k for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:20:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <558AE0D9-BD14-4134-9ADA-E62752F5BCA9@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:23:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4861a9c66e8b4d4a6d902a0897bbf662aa7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.65 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26671c3b-0f51-4384-9907-9ce67ec58161 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4795FBC3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:20:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FUZZY_VLIUM,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca The patent's design (with drawings showing it in action) suggests that it would make a rolled hem, or turn under the edge of the hem. The curl reminds me of the feeder shape on the tips Lacis sells for turning under the edges of fabric strips for braided rugs, and also the feeder shape for bias-binding turners. The fabric is fed in flat, and the curl turns the edge under. (I've used both, and they work very well.) The numbers might be for turn-unders of different depths, or for fabrics of different thicknesses? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I have been going through the patent website trying to find out > about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored > 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It > came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know > what the attachments are for or how to use them. > > Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: > http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg > So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, > my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? > > I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl > is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. > This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, > 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. > She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 13:21:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MILd0Y023640 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:21:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MIKxrX030477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:21:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MIKS9M086669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MIKFBC024228; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:20:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MIK9rY024025 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:20:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gJH01Y0050SCNGk5A00h00; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:20:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gJKe1Y0063kY7qX3V00000; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:20:06 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qddDhe5nGecA:10 a=G0BW6s7zAAAA:8 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=4RK4SyHuLtgJcdTZIgoA:9 a=VNH6Yk9f7BpsIR7QwEIA:7 a=nl4cxtF44X95OP93aTL3sX4k6fUA:4 a=uhNNt-Nl1dEA:10 a=m6jEfNz5u9cA:10 a=s3ic9Gmt08YA:10 a=ES1LT_0sBHEA:10 a=f14tXxV35oUA:10 a=rCbS6JjwtmAA:10 Message-ID: <4796339F.7060601@bovil.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:19:11 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86b11a7f-fd05-49e1-8900-7e3bb0870a6e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4796340B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Penny Ladnier wrote: > Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: > http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg > So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? > > I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. > Your mother is correct, for the most part. There are some specialized variants on hemmers too. Here are a few (much newer) manual pages featuring hemmers, fellers and other such feet: Kenmore Rotary, P13-16: White Family Rotary, P12-14: Elna Supermatic, P31: Elna Supermatic, P55-56: Pfaff 332, P39-42: As for this one in particular? Google Patent Search to the rescue! The full patent text says it's an "edger and feller." It looks like it's designed to attach to the work table just ahead of the presser foot to aid in feeding material to the presser foot, rather than being integrated into the foot like later designs. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 14:31:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MJVclo026978 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:31:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MJUvXq013038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MJTpMn097212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MJTkqH012595; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MJTdg0012314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id BB5EC2C8156 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:29:35 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id It1PFnAMQyzj for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:29:30 +0900 (WST) Received: from [192.168.254.3] (harris-vajda.demon.co.uk [62.49.60.203]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id CE70B2C80FC for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:29:17 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <6DAC8199-2D3B-4C85-A530-CCD697EA3695@qmul.ac.uk> From: Hilary Davidson Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:29:05 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 975ac907-2b00-4229-8a72-2427469d1dcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47964471.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:31:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric, cartridge pleated at the wrist and held with decorative smocking stitches in white, now cream, thread. They're loosely dated 16th century but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. On 18 Jan 2008, at 7.02 pm, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Has anyone ever come across a reference to a colored shirt, perhaps black or blue in color, in any contemporary reference of the later 16th century in England or nearby? While I am skeptical, any information would be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 16:39:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLd00F031323 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:39:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MLcKsB003223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MLaMh8015447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLaI9m080648; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:36:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MKBGgH064796 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 318FF5523A for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:11:15 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:11:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6DAC8199-2D3B-4C85-A530-CCD697EA3695@qmul.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 920bea97-f864-4327-96d4-ceb8131538e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4796624C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:38:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Okay this doesn't make sense. How can one item be found at several sites? Note: you can find items in one spot from various eras, especially if it is a dump spot. -----Original Message----- but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 16:39:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLd6lH031331 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:39:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MLcKOX031782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MLb6oO015631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLb5WM081689; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MKBSEt065118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:11:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.53] (dial-209-148-99-53.sonic.net [209.148.99.53] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m0MKBHZL011323 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <47964DE4.6040204@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:11:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e12cce6-d136-4854-ba3c-5986b01a4a67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4796624C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:38:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca One thing you need to remember is that patents are taken out for many things which are never manufactured. Having an interesting design and wanting to protect it while you look for funds, etc. is one thing. Getting the funds and setting up manufacturing is another. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Penny Ladnier wrote: > I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. > > Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: > http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg > So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? > > I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 16:57:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLvr9S031687 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MLvDjl017301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MLug7h019930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLudJC005965; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MLu9Er005142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:56:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-57-150.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.57.150] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JHR5x-0007we-L0 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:55:50 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080122215241.036aedf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:55:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca At 20:11 22/01/2008, you wrote: >Okay this doesn't make sense. How can one item be found at several sites? >Note: you can find items in one spot from various eras, especially if it is >a dump spot. > >-----Original Message----- > but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 >flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. Yes it does - Hilary's message said "There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric" In other words, 2 pieces, so not one item at all, but pieces of one item. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 17:12:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMC694032030 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:12:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MMBQ68003916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:11:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MMB3Uh021792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMAr4c023308; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.48.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMAIi8022642 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA80F3A4D1 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:10:16 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:10:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080122215241.036aedf0@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26d21f8e-f331-4603-b0f6-6e10842f1bf4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47966A0E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:11:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Thank you. -----Original Message----- Yes it does - Hilary's message said "There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric" In other words, 2 pieces, so not one item at all, but pieces of one item. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 17:21:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMLW5O032228 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:21:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MMKqqt011521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:20:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MMKNxD022858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMJSFd035531; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0MMJErm035042 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200801222219.m0MMJErm035042@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 3710 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2008 14:19:06 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3443, pid: 3692, t: 7.0349s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2008 14:18:59 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:16:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080122215241.036aedf0@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <6DAC8199-2D3B-4C85-A530-CCD697EA3695@qmul.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20080122215241.036aedf0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c187b054-78e1-4aaa-a1bf-58ccd8a2cc52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47966C44.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:20:56 -0500 (EST) At 01:55 PM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >At 20:11 22/01/2008, you wrote: >>Okay this doesn't make sense. How can one item be found at several sites? >>Note: you can find items in one spot from various eras, especially if it is >>a dump spot. >> >>-----Original Message----- >> but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 >>flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. > > >Yes it does - Hilary's message said >"There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt >in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric" > >In other words, 2 pieces, so not one item at all, but pieces of one item. > >Suzi What evidence is there that this garment is not a smock, which is an outer garment worn over the shirt? What fiber is it made of? Wool? Silk? Linen? I have many questions that I would like to see answered before I would conclude that this is a shirt, i.e., worn next to the skin with nothing else under it. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 17:39:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMd2gh001116 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:39:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MMcM75019863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:38:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MMZ9Yr024390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMYp6N057955; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0MMYVD0057467 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85756 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2008 22:34:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Sc9XpuwSE6UjNF6viJ8EoqzL6zMsVCzoMIsQKSACn8AplQ7hQOKoB9NBXgzhhWqnQpIbq9QQ1+7zNPWvMfC8xNo0hegnYZPri3Evree688NhvpBkGBMu2OQ9Ud1vafChObGSXQGvL4wb8u+EsBwV9UpRdnd7MSZFIipS0MOCSYM=; X-YMail-OSG: wkkSs84VM1lmYaZG6mRBqqzCvahIL59cKHxYbO4_QOUyMhBLvtLAE3wJsbinv3vVCGwV0oTrEKWkq8PL.cgEUekL1k60elvR2avwFSZH7RVznOsIFtI- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:34:25 PST Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:34:25 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <147D305F44DC45E69EBBD8F764901EF7@Gilbert> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <620276.84620.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 32e0cc39-0276-44f8-ad03-0f3efc94b894 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4796705E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:38:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FUZZY_VPILL,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Send me a mailing address and they're yours. I think there are 2 Hildebrants and the Tim Kirk, plus one more if Sharon doesn't want it. I believe the one with Tolkien's own paintings in it is the one she's asking about, and I wrote her back but she hasn't replied yet. I'll give her another day or so, just in case. Sure you don't want the Beatles stuff? :-) Maggie --- Gilbert wrote: > I would be interested in the old LotR calendars--as > many as you can spare! > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in > Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Collier" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:50 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] 60s source material available > > > > Do any of the LotR calendars have the map, with > all 7 of the Fellowship > > walking next to each other across either the top > or bottom? I remember a > > poster like that and was trying to show it to my > 12 yr old. If so, I'd > > love > > it. > > Sharon Collier > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > > Behalf Of MaggiRos > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:04 PM > > To: Historical Costume; Kate; Jess Malcom; Regina > Voorhes > > Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available > > > > Hi all, > > > > I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the > closet and found a bunch > > of stuff from high school. > > Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or > so magazines (Tiger Beat > > or whatever) that fall into the category we called > "Beatles magazines". > > They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, > including current, mid- > > to > > late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing > pack em up and send 'em > > for shipping costs from California. > > > > There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings > calendars, for you > > fantasy > > costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by > the Hildebrandt brothers, > > and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it > came in!). > > Same terms. > > > > Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. > > > > MaggiRos > > > > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple > farmers. The village was > > burning when we got here. > > > > Anon. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 17:42:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMgPpo001179 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:42:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MMfj0s024253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MMfO0q025256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMfKcs065600; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:41:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MMfGBa065428 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:41:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080122224110.FNLV5487.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:41:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <620276.84620.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <620276.84620.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 256ca0ec-62bc-4eb2-bed6-f1400b3cb069 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47967129.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:41:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FUZZY_VPILL,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Cool, beans, how exciting. My mailing address is PO Box 31, East Poland, Maine 04230. Sorry, not much of a Beatles fan, I like them well enough, but... What do you need for postage? Thank you so much! My girls (6 and 8) are avid Lord of the Rings fans, especially the BBC radio version, and have written Bill Nye at least three letters (he's replied back twice). They'll be thrilled with the calendars! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaggiRos" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available > Send me a mailing address and they're yours. > > I think there are 2 Hildebrants and the Tim Kirk, plus > one more if Sharon doesn't want it. I believe the one > with Tolkien's own paintings in it is the one she's > asking about, and I wrote her back but she hasn't > replied yet. I'll give her another day or so, just in > case. > > Sure you don't want the Beatles stuff? :-) > > Maggie > > --- Gilbert wrote: > >> I would be interested in the old LotR calendars--as >> many as you can spare! >> >> Marjorie >> >> Marjorie Gilbert >> author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in >> Georgian England >> www.marjoriegilbert.net >> > http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sharon Collier" >> To: "'Historical Costume'" >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:50 PM >> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 60s source material available >> >> >> > Do any of the LotR calendars have the map, with >> all 7 of the Fellowship >> > walking next to each other across either the top >> or bottom? I remember a >> > poster like that and was trying to show it to my >> 12 yr old. If so, I'd >> > love >> > it. >> > Sharon Collier >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> > Behalf Of MaggiRos >> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:04 PM >> > To: Historical Costume; Kate; Jess Malcom; Regina >> Voorhes >> > Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the >> closet and found a bunch >> > of stuff from high school. >> > Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or >> so magazines (Tiger Beat >> > or whatever) that fall into the category we called >> "Beatles magazines". >> > They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, >> including current, mid- >> > to >> > late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing >> pack em up and send 'em >> > for shipping costs from California. >> > >> > There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings >> calendars, for you >> > fantasy >> > costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by >> the Hildebrandt brothers, >> > and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it >> came in!). >> > Same terms. >> > >> > Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. >> > >> > MaggiRos >> > >> > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple >> farmers. The village was >> > burning when we got here. >> > >> > Anon. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The > village was burning when we got here. > > Anon. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 18:24:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MNOGWO002368 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:24:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MNNZZF000487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:23:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MNN9i8030128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MNN7sH014708; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MNN367014539 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so20052ugd.17 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:22:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KdbtfPmXVyMvMKDYh4J5kBYy7DznAP6t5TZd2CG91As=; b=i48n9X56rCGDQSiOeAmS7Tw2heePCdqKRFXjniSI3KckEt41TrfcQlMV7QD4xlVbAvdR+a0je6I/2WolDgB4QBl/EOUW5ibuTKjuO/b1u1bQPYz29+XZ3imAEPqF1f5MNYGZJmewSXoWDIh9lOqbm9hhEDcDVXCXh4hUYhLrNdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=djPW9oYika413lmXlbLHpvrWdF9uBBe1DAyMyainGpfQrp6h9eAdlU+e+33xjLjVssgxVa9m4oa9KxFAEeaPF6449T/6LqV0zz9dYUmscFhoj2tV5j6gth2gg9yfubG5MTziKdtEH7wlyvxOJKyIr54LAh4/gXdtGcEZ5Nls0yg= Received: by 10.66.254.19 with SMTP id b19mr215269ugi.7.1201044177671; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.98.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0801221522p2bce5ffehf7bc6fedcc2d6d7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:22:57 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? In-Reply-To: <200801222219.m0MMJErm035042@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6DAC8199-2D3B-4C85-A530-CCD697EA3695@qmul.ac.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20080122215241.036aedf0@suziclarke.co.uk> <200801222219.m0MMJErm035042@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0b594ed-f178-41e0-a9e3-b23f35513239 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47967AF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:23:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca > What evidence is there that this garment is not a smock, which is an > outer garment worn over the shirt? What fiber is it made of? Wool? > Silk? Linen? I have many questions that I would like to see answered > before I would conclude that this is a shirt, i.e., worn next to the > skin with nothing else under it. "A sleeve fragment found in Worship Street, circa 1501-1599, wool and silk, 200mm at widest. A fragment of garment probably part of a sleeve, with gathered cuff and embroidery (smocking). Dark brown weave wool, fragmentary, with fraying edges. " http://www.pleatworkembroidery.com/recreating.php Others may be able to say for sure if woollens were ever worn directly against the body. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 18:46:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MNkkMa003353 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:46:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0MNk49I006305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:46:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MNjXvJ032628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0MNjUUB038550; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0MNjPkO038356 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27221 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2008 23:45:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Mzar9hDsfWntGOfOmAu6P3OremoPWWs/wLrgO4fUsVe+YEkN6gmLtrYFQTl5hNbTjdOOvtbHyZn6V6Nzn74zMAO/KWyOAfyrR5CH55R1cdpE8JZ/dhKGIQc7vdGzocjeQkr+naaVOSwjNLnR+MOGXNkBTdWm5ol35tNGbcFeqxk=; X-YMail-OSG: Qw9zKu8VM1muanZv1F76ArnEsnrZ1kFlCWDnvCUvAHAFYIfrujJ2ZYhJTmv69fweuA.BQY9ZX0sTbe_Y7IUPIvpKlwUomuBSg2cmRgbGNBstvVwl6D8- Received: from [70.103.216.134] by web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:45:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: Shirley Hobbs Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <537265.26489.qm@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3db4a069-11af-4f2c-9975-2b5d745d203f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4796803D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:46:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca They look like attachments for doing a rolled hem. Shirley --- On Tue, 1/22/08, Penny Ladnier wrote: > From: Penny Ladnier > Subject: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? > To: "h-costume" > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 12:38 AM > I have been going through the patent website trying to find > out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully > restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the > original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing > machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments > are for or how to use them. > > Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent > site: > > http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg > So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of > Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the > machine? > > I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where > the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to > the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo > and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My > mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one > like in the patent was for hemming. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 22 21:05:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0N25AE8006943 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:05:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0N24Sgm003160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:04:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0N23g6k046332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0N23ROQ074337; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0N23ODK074254 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 28043 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.23.201) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2008 02:03:19 -0000 Message-Id: <7CC9E447-34F1-4557-A164-0029E1BDEB6C@benchite.com> From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:03:17 -0500 References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fb46ce0-bfea-4dce-88e9-91093ca5441f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4796A0AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:04:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Penny, it looks like a hemmer to me, that attaches to the bed of the machine. If you are going to play with your treadle you should get over to treadleon.net and join that mailing list, for people who use their old treadles. You will enjoy it, I'm sure. -Megan On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I have been going through the patent website trying to find out > about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 > Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came > with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what > the attachments are for or how to use them. > > Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: > http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg > So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, > my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? > > I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl > is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. > This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, > 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She > was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 23 01:23:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0N6NWIK011845 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:23:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0N6MqGN022048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0N6MD41064269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0N6M2Wb056324; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0N6L0KI055628 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1JHYyn3sC8-0008Jx; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00a201c85d87$ebe2b310$6601a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> <7CC9E447-34F1-4557-A164-0029E1BDEB6C@benchite.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:19:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX183EDj4lo98Lrl6nrAAcJmoyw6Vg5OT8mmzIHV OlT/cdmMOuQF4/hJTgYr5z/rINQ5+z4sb/Au8ezc5+N6Ons2XG k6O7+s8m0ujqKnuWZxWyQ== Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: db84522c-22a9-421e-8a6f-c1e394140c0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4796DD3C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:22:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Many thanks to everyone for the advice. Andy, thank you for the links to the attachment manuals. They are very helpful in how to use my attachments. Megan, thank you for the link to the treadleon website. The site has some very helpful advice. On this webpage http://www.treadleon.net/sewingmachineshop/atttachmentsmanual/attachments.html there is an image of attachments. I have several of these attachments. Oh happy day! Fun days ahead trying these out! The hemmers that I have are found in figure #1 and labeled 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, & 83. I have most of the attachments in this manual. As for the patent site... I am halfway through the website's listings. I like Fran am aware that many patents are filed and may not be mass-produced. I have been printing out the illustrations of the products that I have seen in collections. Lots of printer paper!!! But it will be a good reference to use. With Andy's Google patent search link, I am going to try to find the patent typed pages to accompany the illustrations. Many thanks to everyone again! You have made me a happy girl! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 23 10:41:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0NFfAQW017776 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:41:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ND89c1007209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:08:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0ND7fW9099087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ND7aqN071481; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ND7Xig071358 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:07:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W30 ([64.4.19.130]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:07:28 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.114.2] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:07:28 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7CC9E447-34F1-4557-A164-0029E1BDEB6C@benchite.com> References: <004f01c85cc9$db26e3c0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> <7CC9E447-34F1-4557-A164-0029E1BDEB6C@benchite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2008 13:07:28.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7EF1AD0:01C85DC0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5dfa082-9b21-4075-9c5c-3b24113ac397 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47973C39.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca IT seems to roll 2 fabrics at once. I'd say it's like a Seam effect. Never= saw one of those before and don't quite understand the illustration either= , but from the top diagrams, I'd say a rolled seamer/hemmer also.Sincerely,= Rebecca Rautine> From: megan@benchite.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subjec= t: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 = 21:03:17 -0500> CC: > > Penny, it looks like a hemmer to me, that attaches = to the bed of the > machine. If you are going to play with your treadle you= should get > over to treadleon.net and join that mailing list, for people = who use > their old treadles. You will enjoy it, I'm sure.> -Megan> > > On = Jan 22, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote:> > > I have been going throu= gh the patent website trying to find out > > about sewing machine attachmen= ts. I have a beautifully restored 1887 > > Standard treadle sewing machine = in the original cabinet. It came > > with a box full of sewing machine atta= chments. I don't know what > > the attachments are for or how to use them.>= >> > Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site:> > ht= tp://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg> > So...wh= at is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, > > my box is a = lot longer. How does it attach to the machine?> >> > I have some similar at= tachments with a flatter area where the curl > > is located on the patent. = These clearly attach to the feeder bar. > > This type is stamped with the S= tandard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, > > 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mot= her said these are hemmers. She > > was not sure if the one like in the pat= ent was for hemming.> >> > Penny Ladnier,> > Owner, The Costume Gallery Web= sites> > www.costumegallery.com> > www.costumelibrary.com> > www.costumecla= ssroom.com> > www.costumeencyclopedia.com> >> > ___________________________= ____________________> > h-costume mailing list> > h-costume@mail.indra.com>= > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> >> > _________________= ______________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indr= a.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120= 08= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 23 10:48:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0NFmlMr017937 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:48:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0N74ao7032308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:04:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0N742Eb068139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:04:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0N741ll085709; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:04:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30020.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.22]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0N73w5d085601 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:04:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66919 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2008 07:03:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=El/3ukLaGtHpiV8woss8MgGSvMAwQ6S4y/P6QHqd3h8a9IIF5nTFu0+yDdFtutJvlKa4ZiUIU9XqV2233QWKd/KaZ/uxCKxPhOhZ/o32MFV32Jn4uTK6UL3bAX/V0pgCWlyUi021BMDprtAiTSiGYdFUpPMdQp/rhBs3/hrRB04=; X-YMail-OSG: YCi7zMUVM1mMQBwXf6vlbFEz7rulocyw5.zfBanKyuFsgPUGBveT_mWlvuu456.DiZ1LSBlK5unHMAGi_PX.4YD0MhFaClsVFFaE8jqCDdhA.FQRGO_jZ6Pn8N4HPw-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:03:53 PST Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:03:53 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available ***** Still Got The Beatles?????******* To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <620276.84620.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <141918.63755.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 844f859a-5baa-4135-a587-c7304df524e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4796E704.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 08:08:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PD8a9P001567 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0PD7twP022219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0PD2Bjl011752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PD10cc031444; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PD0biw030156 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080125130028.SRBV3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:00:28 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.49]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080125130027.CWGI17893.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:00:27 +0100 Message-ID: <20080125130027.CWGI17893.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:00:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.49] at Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:00:25 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000f01c85f52$40e055e0$3114a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] off topic price of candlesticks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56dc4b03-9605-4eb9-87f4-e0fa5368c0da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4799DF2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:07:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I watched a documentary film about Marie Antoinette from swedish = television with a swedish story teller. I believe the original of the = film is french. Anyway he tells that they burned 10000 candlesticks every day at = Versailles and the price of 1 candlestick would be as much as the vages = of a worker for a week! I dont wonder why the people got angry then, but could this really be = true! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 08:43:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PDhHBw002627 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:43:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0PDgaNb025608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:42:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0PDgASM073540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PDewUQ021064; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0PDdWBS017211 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 65289 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 13:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.153.76 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 13:39:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hzswaqwVM1mfizfOYQtO2myPQm7ZtOHOwq0cLMb1kMCdvXwH5Y0XMnXp0IAcpLDP.5EqLIvp8qbU0IdextCnKkewrwbsb1qxitjmya_1J8A09EhQDYVs X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002801c85f57$b0464d90$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080125130027.CWGI17893.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic price of candlesticks Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:39:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 442254c0-8452-491e-8aba-3e1028e90f4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4799E74C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:42:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I assume that you mean candles; the contents of which was readily available from the kitchens and other living quarters heated by fireplaces. The number of 10,000 is astounding, however. Courtiers were often responsible for their own furnishings. The Invitation to live at Versailles came with a price. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: [h-cost] off topic price of candlesticks I watched a documentary film about Marie Antoinette from swedish television with a swedish story teller. I believe the original of the film is french. Anyway he tells that they burned 10000 candlesticks every day at Versailles and the price of 1 candlestick would be as much as the vages of a worker for a week! I dont wonder why the people got angry then, but could this really be true! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 09:31:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PEV4QB004173 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:31:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0PEUOHc021672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:30:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0PETgmF041860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PETWsd022766; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PET3jF021327 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so819695pyc.4 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:28:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FIbRkxwb8sK0GwRMR86vbvHXcBTlWOevc3Z3nZ04Csk=; b=Sv3QJoRs8aPeHlYCk8KtsOAY3YdL6rGSHd/9cRDBlyMjpveHy+B4gK/xXx9xu7PSdeI0dUmTUbldXddIxTMUSPWTMc4vXfA4ce1RSnl7+v8ydLxxOAO5qtWRU+hxHKMcBPtI+hcyaIAdPqWONlLXRfXePbCNeoCWdbu7eLRW1I4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bh/WnoDc0SHYUfSSnFB89nu7UZgCR+NUxhpaa99HzayoQV/dzVeSQwIwjDmYLM0mkp0RoDS5u7AsUSFbdqmipeKc5q3c4ExlU9ry9PQNahKd3NRHcLifboOcizpSWltHVj/pf0NrQHr7y/Q/qWfRn5ZmtmZEV/x53oUFCswDB0A= Received: by 10.35.86.19 with SMTP id o19mr2309369pyl.9.1201270889987; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.62.10 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:21:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590801250621o7a7b42a6i80b98fc2fb609355@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:21:29 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic price of candlesticks In-Reply-To: <002801c85f57$b0464d90$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080125130027.CWGI17893.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <002801c85f57$b0464d90$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67de9b34-6718-485b-b150-5176838efe66 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4799F280.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:30:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca If they were using the really good stuff, like beeswax than I could see the cost being up there for those candles. If they were tallow candles, that would smoke more and could have a less than desirable scent, those would be much cheaper... alex On Jan 25, 2008 7:39 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I assume that you mean candles; the contents of which was readily available > from the kitchens and other living quarters heated by fireplaces. The number > of 10,000 is astounding, however. Courtiers were often responsible for their > own furnishings. The Invitation to live at Versailles came with a price. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:00 AM > Subject: [h-cost] off topic price of candlesticks > > > I watched a documentary film about Marie Antoinette from swedish television > with a swedish story teller. I believe the original of the film is french. > Anyway he tells that they burned 10000 candlesticks every day at Versailles > and the price of 1 candlestick would be as much as the vages of a worker for > a week! > I dont wonder why the people got angry then, but could this really be true! > > Bjarne > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 09:50:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PEo36Y004759 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:50:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0PEnMh1004544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0PEmjk4063994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PEjLGU053913; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PEi8Vd051099 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080125143336.RVBS29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:33:36 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.18]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080125143336.CYJI24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:33:36 +0100 Message-ID: <20080125143336.CYJI24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:33:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.18] at Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:33:35 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <002a01c85f5f$448d6c70$1214a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bragging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fb07e17-092c-4dc3-883e-312eb16b293e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4799F6F2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Congratulations with your book. Do you know that Frederiksborg shows some of the table cloths every = year? I believe it is every easter time. Also Rosenborg has a wonderfull collection of silk embroidered = tablecloths from early 1600 but they are never shown and in no = catalogues wich is such a shame.... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 15:35:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PKZNK7017220 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:35:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0PKYfpG021130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:34:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0PKY9at006578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PKVHrP091059; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PKUG04088954 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:30:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080125201648.TBTS29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:16:48 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.18]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080125201648.DKFV29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:16:48 +0100 Message-ID: <20080125201648.DKFV29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:16:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.18] at Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:16:47 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000d01c85f8f$36661180$1214a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] insane hunt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ef256ac-1139-409d-883b-cac26ac713aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 479A47E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:34:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Hi,=20 I know this is for some of you way two much out, but it is a little = costume contented, therefore i post. In november the television in Denmark showed a clip from the danish = armory museum. They had catched a ghost on live cam between 11.15 and = 11.45 before midnight. The clip is extracted to the short version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPrOwbYqyL_Q Anyway i used my windows moviemaker to take single pictures of the clip, = to get better images of the mooving figure. I have resampled these to = 800 % and one of the pictures gives the shape of the figure. And i can = tell you to mee it looks like a Vermeer figure. you know the dutch = painter. To me its a woman with a big white collar, a small darker = headcap and somehow her dress is devided or she wears a shorter dress on = top of the bottom dress. This could be correct for the period, because the museum was build in = early 17th. century. To those of you who wonder more about the movie clip, the left walls are = full of exhibition montres so you cant go to the left, and the right = gets yuo right out to the roof. Things you do when you have nothing else to do, and sorry for you guys = out there, who thinks this is crazy! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 18:38:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PNcieo026253 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:38:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0PNc3Gn006331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0PNbib7034289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0PNWJk1083121; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0PIr6HU036161 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66145 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 18:52:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3/Lyhf1/2D2ylnmtLT5btiCYxW+DC42AlZ4hGXDNe2va/Ecu/04CgoNzzl+fITex2+nPzeJriEZyztq6nlMvUCNyToNdtBuyztuYWCsZd/zA16WQ/kPV/sFphvdiTYdQ+BgiEwIc237Tsge4ta7Mo68nmQCHJVEalu8M6JMC4po=; X-YMail-OSG: yAHy0vUVM1l5CVJHtPQUdJk5VXmvJCZvP5ZLGo_IHmfwXE3qx4JirStkB_EccKfqXu8vxUzCK4NAoDd3aqLXgZWl1kl7KcJ97VlAhd85zVVSTjA.XrIrGSCYAgkEaQ-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:52:37 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bragging To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080125143336.CYJI24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <319302.65364.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 53926c68-c999-41de-b745-9d2f47d20b06 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 479A72DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:38:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca No I did not, I will have to check out their site to view some of them in person. There is one tablecloth that gives me grandiouse ideas about a bedspread, would probably take me 20-30 years to make. will post a scan of the tablecloth with the project description and materials needed. I have not been studying the book in depth yet, but are the rosenborg tablecloths in the book, do you know, or have they been collected after the book came out? There are no photoes of them at all? Tania Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: Congratulations with your book. Do you know that Frederiksborg shows some of the table cloths every year? I believe it is every easter time. Also Rosenborg has a wonderfull collection of silk embroidered tablecloths from early 1600 but they are never shown and in no catalogues wich is such a shame.... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:16:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Does anyone know here of a supplier of lace cuffed baroque shirts for men? I've seen some gorgeous ones in the film 'Triumph of Love'. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 25 20:08:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0Q18e8P030006 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:08:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0Q17wCl007913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0Q17LQw033631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0Q13Ile048135; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:03:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0Q12f0B046633 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50355 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2008 00:55:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=suI157DARMN4kBPwtd1/xtW342I9ppoOqS19eH6n8rKLF5c+aWtkIce2gOCtYiEspyH9fA+CLRk+YU3AeHkjL+YAo29Yw7hnt7QoNMu1lHG6D731kGrz+ydIFRcjtcO4y6nZIYrNYgm3BmAFD9TZQbdL2j2I1c9VSmFMnZT+lMQ=; X-YMail-OSG: xQfhtUYVM1kBrHAhdyaSviHHY92ZHNGHD.QICuJ0uNz.bq3VCQhKFWnbViXfuQHYb.XkhBbZ1ykGKQScncROAO2OnnMYHj72eCv3F6eMmWPtVVrPFt4- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:55:09 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0801221522p2bce5ffehf7bc6fedcc2d6d7c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <366499.50330.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daf76149-6a8d-449c-ad30-153c78d686b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 479A87EE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:08:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca I want to give everyone a great big Thank YOU for helping with this discovery of colored shirts. It has opened up a new line of thinking on shirts, and given me another "myth" to find answers to. While I don't know what those on the Tribe list will do with all of these great comments, they are now better informed on this, as am I, than we were before. And I did find another comment on the red shirt for the coronation of King Edward VI. There is an entry for the coronation of King Henry VIII. "ii Shirtes wherof one shall be of lawne the other of Crymesyn Tartaryn they bothe largely open behynde and before & ouer the Shulders & the boughtes of the Armes and laced with Anlettes of Siluer and gilte. And with laces Agglett with siluer & gilt." Dress in the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward, pg 44. Tartaryn from what I understand from online dictionaries is a type of silk fabric. Again, thank you all for your help. It was greatly appreciated. Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 11:13:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QGD405013371 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:13:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0QGCN6o013599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:12:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0QGBQSm063525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QGA9Jj042419; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QG9q0a041536 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W38 ([65.55.138.73]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:09:46 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:09:45 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <366499.50330.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <73fb7a5f0801221522p2bce5ffehf7bc6fedcc2d6d7c@mail.gmail.com> <366499.50330.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2008 16:09:46.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE974D50:01C86035] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Colored shirts in the 16th century? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ab634e3-d80b-4bf8-853b-50fbe978ea48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 479B5BE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:12:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Hi Kimiko...I am glad you are looking into this...I've wondered about it as= well. I think the conversation became very focused on a shirt worn direct= ly next the skin which was colored. That wasn't what I was wondering abou= t, but a colored lightweight garment, not a doublet, or jacket. I have some interesting information in German which may give you some other= points of reference.=20 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 14:27:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QJROHC018811 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:27:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0QJQhU8021527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0QJPxtB092049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QJPRao030280; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0QJPKkX029747 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 31718 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 19:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:24:51 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] insane hunt Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c86051$246d9d00$780d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20080125201648.DKFV29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AchfsaFLdmnCx2XOSG6WsegNyPJfigAn2XGw X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b69677b-1001-4237-95a0-1daf4da5bb71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 479B8973.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Way cool! I'll be so happy when we get a fast enough connection to = watch YouTube - missing all the good stuff!=20 Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] insane hunt Hi,=20 I know this is for some of you way two much out, but it is a little = costume contented, therefore i post. In november the television in Denmark showed a clip from the danish = armory museum. They had catched a ghost on live cam between 11.15 and 11.45 = before midnight. The clip is extracted to the short version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPrOwbYqyL_Q Anyway i used my windows moviemaker to take single pictures of the clip, = to get better images of the mooving figure. I have resampled these to 800 % = and one of the pictures gives the shape of the figure. And i can tell you to = mee it looks like a Vermeer figure. you know the dutch painter. To me its a woman with a big white collar, a small darker headcap and somehow her = dress is devided or she wears a shorter dress on top of the bottom dress. This could be correct for the period, because the museum was build in = early 17th. century. To those of you who wonder more about the movie clip, the left walls are full of exhibition montres so you cant go to the left, and the right = gets yuo right out to the roof. Things you do when you have nothing else to do, and sorry for you guys = out there, who thinks this is crazy! Bjarne =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 14:29:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QJTh0g018879 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:29:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0QJT142026057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0QJSTA2095045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QJSStI036457; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QJSPmK036221 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=YKsVuM3B633mgym7tAscq3SVF4wrOCuIwzEX2MrwR1ulrX9TS1uju9rVALD+Q/Il; h=Received:Mime-Version:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.122.185.71] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JIqhQ-0008HO-AH for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:28:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <3CB9036B-CF7F-4199-8660-7AB740FF4717@igc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Laning Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:25:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cea6adb47b38204eb06c26089f7b72aa1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.122.185.71 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Prayer beads conference in Leiden March 27th X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a8ba8b6-d576-4e07-9a4d-d33341d693a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479B89FD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca I've been meaning to mention for some time that I've been honored =20 with an invitation to speak at a one-day conference on prayer beads =20 in March. (I will candidly admit that my initial reaction is along the lines of =20= "Lawk a-mercy me: this is none of I!" -- a Mother Goose reference. I =20 am of course tremendously flattered that someone considers me an =20 expert, but me? really? I shall have to make a good effort at it now.) The conference is on the history and role of prayer beads in =20 different cultures and communities, and it's on 27th March at Leiden =20 University (in the Netherlands). It's sponsored by the Textile =20 Research Centre, a 17-year-old project currently under the wing of the =20= National Museum of Ethnology, but hoping for its own home soon. This all started when the Centre's Director, Dr. Gillian Vogelsang-=20 Eastwood, who specializes in Near Eastern textiles and dress, started =20= searching for more information for a "small exhibition on prayer =20 beads from around the world" she was planning for this summer, and =20 found my Paternosters blog. The exhibit has expanded into a full-=20 fledged intercultural project, and there's no end in sight: the =20 conference is one result. The list of topics and speakers seems to be fairly firm at this point =20= (it's on the TRC website), and as you can see, it is very wide-ranging: Hindu iconography and prayer beads, Dr. Ellen Raven, Leiden University Tibetan Buddhist prayer beads, Dr. Henk Blezer, Leiden University Korean shaman prayer beads, Prof. Boudewijn Walraven, Leiden University Japanese Buddhist prayer beads, Dr. Andreas Marks Orthodox Christian prayer beads, Dr. Karel Innem=E9e, Leiden University A history of Catholic rosaries, Ms. Chris Laning, Independent =20 scholar, USA Prayer beads from medieval and post-medieval excavations in =20 Eindhoven, ca. 1225-1900, Nico Arte, Eindhoven Archeological Centre Protestant attitudes to prayer beads, Dr. Anneke Mooi, Leiden University Prayer beads and medieval Arab/Persian sources, Dr. Asghar Seyed-=20 Gohrab, Leiden University Modern Islamic prayer beads, Mr. Yusuf Alan, Rotterdam Neo-Pagan prayer beads, Dr. Gillian Vogelsang-Eastwood, TRC, Leiden How we are going to fit all that into one day I don't know! I'm particularly interested to see two speakers on the Islamic prayer =20= bead tradition. It's a subject on which very little information seems =20= to be available, especially on its early history. One possible reason =20= seems to be that many of the cultural studies in Islam that would =20 concern themselves with such artifacts are regional rather than pan-=20 Islamic. I look forward to hearing what the speakers have to say. American that I am, I'm of course particularly excited to be invited =20 to speak in Europe, and since the conference coincides with my Easter =20= break, I will have about ten days before the conference to travel =20 around. Besides sightseeing and museums, I hope to see many =20 historical paternoster beads and take many pictures! Most of the =20 places I'm going will be new to me, including Cologne (K=F6ln), =20 Nuremburg, Regensburg, and possibly Konstanz. I've been in both =20 Amsterdam and Munich once before, but that was thirty-mumble years =20 ago and I hardly remember any of it. As for the conference, I would of course be delighted to meet anyone =20 there who reads this, so do please introduce yourself. You can find =20 more information on the TRC's prayer beads project at , and on the =20 conference itself at , including where to write in order to register. This is turning out to be a delightful instance of "it's a small =20 world," since I had actually encountered Dr. Vogelsang-Eastwood once =20 before: a good friend of mine has raved about her book on Pharaonic =20 Egyptian clothing, which is excellent. Not the sort of thing you'd =20 expect to combine with an interest in rosaries! ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 18:25:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNPknB025590 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:25:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0QNP5Gs013797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:25:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0QNOg3s006504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNOYWI020191; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas6.coqui.net (avas6.coqui.net [196.28.61.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNOUmr019899 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkchAF9Qm0dCMu2ZRmdsb2JhbACCPzGNLgEBARIlAZs9 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,255,1199678400"; d="scan'208,217";a="1269383921" Received: from unknown (HELO MAQUINA) ([66.50.237.153]) by avas6.coqui.net with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2008 19:24:24 -0400 From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: , References: <200801262318.m0QNIcWc006860@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Achgcc5fq3vwlnniR3WkXlDWU6ThMwAAIgzg In-Reply-To: <200801262318.m0QNIcWc006860@net.indra.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c784f74b-d1fc-4a82-80fb-be8ba8590039 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479BC151.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Best regards Jose -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:19 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 18:32:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNWoPx025746 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:32:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0QNW9Z7010531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:32:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0QNVpY5008469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNVnPd027163; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:31:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu ([199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNVkU2026877 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:31:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:33:34 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C86073.DDD2418D" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prayer beads conference in Leiden March 27th Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9A9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9A9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Prayer beads conference in Leiden March 27th Thread-Index: AchgUfqTyo9bhiA5R0SL2JJxVHxaZQAIdVqn References: <3CB9036B-CF7F-4199-8660-7AB740FF4717@igc.org> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2008 23:33:34.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE5495D0:01C86073] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 773663a0-e932-44fb-b58d-bec942b4519e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 479BC2F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:32:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86073.DDD2418D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations! - How exciting. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Chris Laning Sent: Sat 1/26/2008 2:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Prayer beads conference in Leiden March 27th I've been meaning to mention for some time that I've been honored=20 with an invitation to speak at a one-day conference on prayer beads=20 in March. (I will candidly admit that my initial reaction is along the lines of=20 "Lawk a-mercy me: this is none of I!" -- a Mother Goose reference. I=20 am of course tremendously flattered that someone considers me an=20 expert, but me? really? I shall have to make a good effort at it now.) The conference is on the history and role of prayer beads in=20 different cultures and communities, and it's on 27th March at Leiden=20 University (in the Netherlands). It's sponsored by the Textile=20 Research Centre, a 17-year-old project currently under the wing of the=20 National Museum of Ethnology, but hoping for its own home soon. This all started when the Centre's Director, Dr. Gillian Vogelsang- Eastwood, who specializes in Near Eastern textiles and dress, started=20 searching for more information for a "small exhibition on prayer=20 beads from around the world" she was planning for this summer, and=20 found my Paternosters blog. The exhibit has expanded into a full- fledged intercultural project, and there's no end in sight: the=20 conference is one result. The list of topics and speakers seems to be fairly firm at this point=20 (it's on the TRC website), and as you can see, it is very wide-ranging: Hindu iconography and prayer beads, Dr. Ellen Raven, Leiden University Tibetan Buddhist prayer beads, Dr. Henk Blezer, Leiden University Korean shaman prayer beads, Prof. Boudewijn Walraven, Leiden University Japanese Buddhist prayer beads, Dr. Andreas Marks Orthodox Christian prayer beads, Dr. Karel Innem=E9e, Leiden University A history of Catholic rosaries, Ms. Chris Laning, Independent=20 scholar, USA Prayer beads from medieval and post-medieval excavations in=20 Eindhoven, ca. 1225-1900, Nico Arte, Eindhoven Archeological Centre Protestant attitudes to prayer beads, Dr. Anneke Mooi, Leiden University Prayer beads and medieval Arab/Persian sources, Dr. Asghar Seyed- Gohrab, Leiden University Modern Islamic prayer beads, Mr. Yusuf Alan, Rotterdam Neo-Pagan prayer beads, Dr. Gillian Vogelsang-Eastwood, TRC, Leiden How we are going to fit all that into one day I don't know! I'm particularly interested to see two speakers on the Islamic prayer=20 bead tradition. It's a subject on which very little information seems=20 to be available, especially on its early history. One possible reason=20 seems to be that many of the cultural studies in Islam that would=20 concern themselves with such artifacts are regional rather than pan- Islamic. I look forward to hearing what the speakers have to say. American that I am, I'm of course particularly excited to be invited=20 to speak in Europe, and since the conference coincides with my Easter=20 break, I will have about ten days before the conference to travel=20 around. Besides sightseeing and museums, I hope to see many=20 historical paternoster beads and take many pictures! Most of the=20 places I'm going will be new to me, including Cologne (K=F6ln),=20 Nuremburg, Regensburg, and possibly Konstanz. I've been in both=20 Amsterdam and Munich once before, but that was thirty-mumble years=20 ago and I hardly remember any of it. As for the conference, I would of course be delighted to meet anyone=20 there who reads this, so do please introduce yourself. You can find=20 more information on the TRC's prayer beads project at , and on the=20 conference itself at , including where to write in order to register. This is turning out to be a delightful instance of "it's a small=20 world," since I had actually encountered Dr. Vogelsang-Eastwood once=20 before: a good friend of mine has raved about her book on Pharaonic=20 Egyptian clothing, which is excellent. Not the sort of thing you'd=20 expect to combine with an interest in rosaries! ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - = http://paternosters.blogspot.com =20 ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86073.DDD2418D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86073.DDD2418D-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 20:00:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0R10abN027911 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:00:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0R0xtW7023537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0QNOgnF006505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNOYE3020185; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas6.coqui.net (avas6.coqui.net [196.28.61.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0QNOUj4019902 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkchAF9Qm0dCMu2ZRmdsb2JhbACCPzGNLgEBARIlAZs9 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,255,1199678400"; d="scan'208,217";a="1269383921" Received: from unknown (HELO MAQUINA) ([66.50.237.153]) by avas6.coqui.net with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2008 19:24:24 -0400 From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: , References: <200801262318.m0QNIcWc006860@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Achgcc5fq3vwlnniR3WkXlDWU6ThMwAAIgzg In-Reply-To: <200801262318.m0QNIcWc006860@net.indra.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a468b82b-662d-4114-9057-ba228c0421b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 479BD78B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:59:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Does anyone know how to make an 18th century Grenadiers hat? Best regards Jose -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:19 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 20:49:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0R1nWrV028980 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:49:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0R1mqW3027232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0R1mUfQ031979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0R1mPoK039321; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m0R1mLwb039205 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26647 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2008 01:48:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=44Lymtuc2m7wPl3lIg2FdcdKMuNEcgiK5tOU376fOov56W4E+HWi8wySUfvR6HzeuA953OPE5Fq3XwR8LBMab1TxG2JJ+gAXdHqjk0OWQglB/jsTey+onAGuOBRfGeLa9HEgoEcmJvvaKqQ5KPU4unxhe4FnIl1PmWuZaDHzJN8=; X-YMail-OSG: a6k0xHUVM1mHCh6LokkJFXh7zTxtuiLpfe48c0N_.oIPpj12vvklXP08033GAv4.VNW7H1kpBchTgXux8pNCmwFWz.yF6_bW_li7sJevKzLUuu1PIQ8XIYSr_L9Qog-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:48:16 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prayer beads conference in Leiden March 27th To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <431542.24054.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4a8b6a2-c634-4d75-8908-520c8f686361 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479BE304.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:48:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Congratulations, Chris! I would also be curious about the Japanese Buddhist prayer beads, myself. But it sounds like a lot of fun. Enjoy your well deserved time! Kimiko --- Chris Laning wrote: > I've been meaning to mention for some time that I've > been honored > with an invitation to speak at a one-day conference > on prayer beads > in March. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 26 20:56:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0R1uN7g029115 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:56:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0R1tghp030324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:55:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0R1slSo033099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0R1skID044567; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0R1sW01044411 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1066599rvf.11 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:54:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o4ZuPgHxLvJTNegPQbJLDGTRvdJ1MshqYQ7Ci1b0FoM=; b=qgCl3EmSxHh7z3/w9XuTy1BTsTKm0ikRVCf90T2+0APby0JIuC7uG9qBq6E0hcySwHmxjtk/N/+SuUBDPWuy7V5b84P6gpeHDXfFuvUOI6OsRMiIaZybzRnXVShuQo1WHOvwloAIgzp0gSmRQ4jOf2sAM4CCv0BV9VqlfzVT8Fc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cTBlps5dxRi7EsPBtxQhys+krJRRMtMgEv6H70zgaJGD57f5wZxIP70KhqA9YDQKwJCprIHzeDCv4xcy2fhe2OwOIlGUZVOFYJhyfOVkWQLH4ytMqWNS76RumfSuM8C7kTKEe/yqOy14fkU6AdkiBOLz5cvzoQ7aCoPFLQxTGE0= Received: by 10.142.131.18 with SMTP id e18mr1869955wfd.39.1201398871441; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:54:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:54:31 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: <119949.23883.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <119949.23883.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d69c7173-fb6e-4923-9561-e35aef5cc9c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479BE49E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:55:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca My daughter is making a tabard from this pattern. Do you think that the 1500-1630 round kirtle at http://www.mantua-maker.com/id10.html would work underneath? I have this pattern. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 27 11:52:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RGq2RI011606 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:52:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0RGpKt6002309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0RGosI0078205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RGonEM053449; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RED6uo099099 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W29 ([65.55.138.64]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:13:01 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.193.100] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:13:01 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <119949.23883.qm@web63708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2008 14:13:01.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9AA5550:01C860EE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f342af0-645c-4a32-bf47-54397952c521 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 479CB688.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:51:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? Just curious,=20 Sg > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:54:31 +1100 > From: aylwengg@gmail.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns > CC:=20 >=20 > My daughter is making a tabard from this pattern. Do you think that > the 1500-1630 round kirtle at http://www.mantua-maker.com/id10.html > would work underneath? I have this pattern. > Thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 27 12:31:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RHVoab012790 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:31:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0RHV9Tt025878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0RHUfbO095069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RHUcdo001414; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RHUBhx000948 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769F53806A for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:33:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801271233.43045.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24e09ee0-e889-4238-afca-f48312141194 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 479CBFDD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca On Sunday 27 January 2008, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? > Just curious, Possibly because the PP patterns don't really have one for a kirtle; in some of them at least, the underdress is faked. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 27 15:19:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RKJxbY017233 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:19:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0RKJHqU021343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:19:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0RKIrQN019648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RKIn3K071692; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RKIi25071615 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080127201843.BKXD3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:18:43 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.193]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080127201843.EKRD17893.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <20080127201843.EKRD17893.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080125235256.QTIJ5833.fep27.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bragging Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:18:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.193] at Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:18:42 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001601c86121$cf7c3d20$c1e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc609e14-2937-4cd9-8bfa-0f6e80549104 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479CE745.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:19:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Some of them are not. I saw an artickle in the danish antique magazine, with beautifull floral embroideries wich i have never seen before, and they were from a tablecloth belonging to one of Christian IV's daughters. in the possesion of Rosenborg. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bragging > No I did not, I will have to check out their site to view some of them in > person. There is one tablecloth that gives me grandiouse ideas about a > bedspread, would probably take me 20-30 years to make. will post a scan of > the tablecloth with the project description and materials needed. > I have not been studying the book in depth yet, but are the rosenborg > tablecloths in the book, do you know, or have they been collected after > the book came out? > There are no photoes of them at all? > > Tania > > Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: Congratulations with > your book. > Do you know that Frederiksborg shows some of the table cloths every year? > I believe it is every easter time. > Also Rosenborg has a wonderfull collection of silk embroidered tablecloths > from early 1600 but they are never shown and in no catalogues wich is such > a shame.... > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 27 16:31:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RLVSFR019084 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:31:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0RLUksX008919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:30:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0RLUNp9053549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:30:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RLUHHs056910; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0RLUFNC056847 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so1391922hsj.15 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:30:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TRAjDaF3OsLxCt5HOIkWwYavgcXcwCTAbKMAvHSDpek=; b=UhJQb7iAHu6NS4Bvyy0LuFN+YeiGqSO3a7HMIwO94xXxNiheAiSepgo6ANrQNV8XutF/BTTceXEs5z9YyXFFKVAp6hgBz7ungMJXY/GkhYauw7oIsq8RhoeDeH8hV2yGUPVZQjoz1FfIn22aTnn0aRd7L6AQMAJoIv77OIg3hOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aVdU1bJeTauJNnY/2JqqOhMljLj0YBJxbkFy++YDky0i59hCL/MEVpp5GtxzNemG3F7png+LFCmWxA//lAmL9Wmu+m6y3KIsIkbYH1Uwi2fMTxVOEMMjMTwV/XzXxx4xA+HDTjjUWWnIR97VoUYSjpDDsfhSHt2k9tSgagwCxfI= Received: by 10.143.33.19 with SMTP id l19mr2029587wfj.85.1201469411654; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:30:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:30:11 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: <200801271233.43045.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <200801271233.43045.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 480a9e8a-e75a-484c-8d93-3728e87bde4c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 479CF806.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:30:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Yes, we're trying to make do with the patterns we've already got and the underdress was not included in this pattern. Cheers, Aylwen On Jan 28, 2008 4:33 AM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Sunday 27 January 2008, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? > > Just curious, > > Possibly because the PP patterns don't really have one for a kirtle; in some > of them at least, the underdress is faked. > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool > than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 27 22:24:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0S3OOYN029175 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:24:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0S3Nh7M019405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:23:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0S3NKve096437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:23:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0S3MBH9070784; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0S3LBHl070057 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from juliana-edmund@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iESQ1Y0020vp7WLAA0pa00; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:21:49 +0000 Received: from beynon ([24.62.116.243]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iTN81Y00C5F9eCg8R00000; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:22:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YwmFWlMGrE53xFs4Z9MA:9 a=vu-kIx6hze4kfX91w7sl2lU6bVEA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 a=QB-CCkIHGbFWFfwa6qsA:9 a=_rPA92ovUZkpeve4tlsA:7 a=j5KV43swjmKnaN5Eqw4RfuWi_ZAA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <001201c8615c$fd3a96e0$f3743e18@beynon> From: "juliana-edmund" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:22:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan garb workshop X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf5b845c-28dd-4b31-bb87-a06d6e1c1367 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 479D4ABF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Greetings to All, As some of you know, I have been working on bringing the two authors of = the book, The Tudor Tailor, here (Boston) from England to do a garb = workshop for us. We were planning it for this coming September. = Unfortunately, I just received word from one of the authors that they = need to postpone their trip to the US until 2009. Among other reasons, = they are researching a second book on Tudor clothing for the ordinary = people (as opposed to the elite), and want to coordinate their trip to = the US with the release of the new book. Therefore, we are looking at = the Fall of 2009 for our garb workshop. I will continue to plan the = workshop with them for that time and update you when there is more news. Regards, Juliana * * *=20 Lady Juliana Osborne Per chevron argent and vert, two stags springing gules and a gate argent. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 28 07:16:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0SCGDkN001649 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:16:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0SCFVu4001793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0SCF7fB066407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0SCF337071218; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.tpgi.com.au (mail12.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0SCEuDm071035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:15:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-37-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.37]) by mail12.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m0SCEqFU019784 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:14:54 +1100 Message-ID: <001d01c861a7$620a6420$25d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish flu Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:14:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10f95785-76e5-4b41-b3bf-ee89bedf0fb9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 479DC763.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disease found only in Africans and their descendants, Not true, it is also relatively common in parts of southern Europe, especially Italy where malaria was common until the 20th century (one of the reasons why the Popes wanted to move to France for a while during the middle ages) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 29 16:07:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0TL7uwC020057 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:07:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0TL7CCI006990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0TL6FGp023711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0TL0xrP036288; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0TL06Gk034908 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W36 ([65.55.138.71]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:59:55 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume , Subject: Grenadiers Hat WAS: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:59:55 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200801262318.m0QNIcWc006860@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2008 20:59:55.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[E682C220:01C862B9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 68602313-9c41-4bb8-8796-341e7b860595 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 479F9580.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:07:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Hi Jose, you might have better response to your query if you change the sub= ject line. I just happened across this one because I am getting used to a = new email client. Don't have an answer to your question, but am interested= to see what others come up with! Wick'd Frau (aka Sg) > From: hagiosfenum@prtc.net > To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@mail.indra.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:24:21 -0400 > CC:=20 > Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 >=20 > Does anyone know how to make an 18th century Grenadiers hat? > Best regards > Jose >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:19 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 >=20 > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 29 16:49:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0TLntXC022131 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:49:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0TLnB5K006385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0TLmoDo029693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0TLmhWl001563; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0TLmMna000949 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W37 ([65.54.161.137]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:46:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.59.220.167] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:46:45 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200801262318.m0QNIcWc006860@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2008 21:46:45.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[718DF230:01C862C0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] grenadier's caps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd365730-60e3-4f93-ba88-e2f7a1783617 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 479F9F57.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:49:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Courtesy of Jay Callaham: =0A= Military Collector and Historian: =0A= =0A= "The Grenadier's Bearskin Cap, 1768-1802: A Method of Construction" =0A= Bass, Linnea M. and William W. Burke =0A= MCH, 46 (Fall 1994), pp. 115-122. =0A= > From: wickedfrau@msn.com > To: h-costume@indra.com; hagiosfenum@prtc.net > Subject: Grenadiers Hat WAS: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue= 34 > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:59:55 -0700 > CC:=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Jose, you might have better response to your query if you change the s= ubject line. I just happened across this one because I am getting used to = a new email client. Don't have an answer to your question, but am interest= ed to see what others come up with! >=20 > Wick'd Frau (aka Sg) >=20 >=20 > > From: hagiosfenum@prtc.net > > To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:24:21 -0400 > > CC:=20 > > Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 > >=20 > > Does anyone know how to make an 18th century Grenadiers hat? > > Best regards > > Jose > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On > > Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:19 PM > > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 > >=20 > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > >=20 > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > >=20 > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > >=20 > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 29 22:43:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0U3htxI001637 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:43:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0U3hDCf018678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:43:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0U3gkFK074297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0U3gdga087307; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wombat.hvi.net (mail.hvi.net [64.72.88.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0U3gUnB087052 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanne@jafath.com) Message-Id: <200801300342.m0U3gUnB087052@net.indra.com> Received: from joanne.jafath.com (unverified [199.232.231.69]) by wombat.hvi.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.54) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:42:27 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: joanne@jafath.com=OK X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:42:18 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jo Anne Fatherly In-Reply-To: <200801271900.m0RJ04Kx099355@net.indra.com> References: <200801271900.m0RJ04Kx099355@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 35 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f5a2d65-43ba-4414-8550-803660d56360 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 479FF251.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jo Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 29 23:54:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0U4sG4t004111 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:54:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0U4rWhr019255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0U4mBM3080059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0U4m1Ni030195; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0U4lvvG030142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m0U4ltsj024924 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:47:56 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:57:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Margarete I: Queen of the Kalmar Union X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a866dbb7-c49c-45c4-a233-420ee083b522 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A002CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:53:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca I just managed to get my hands on an English Translation of a group of essays and a catalogue of a Danish Exhibition on Scandinavia. It has pictorial information on items dating from 1348 to 1700. The title pays tribute to one of the most under written about (in English) Queens in history, Queen Margarete I of Denmark/Sweden/Norway (invitation only please). A-4 paper, soft bound. Got mine for 25 GBP Plus an outrageous amount it postage from Paul Meekins in England. If you have any interest contact me off list and I will try and find where I put that darned thank you note from them. They are on-line and take credit cards or pay pal. I have a little Norman here at the house who is convinced that Norman Boys didn't wear no clothes (doo dah, doo-dah!) because he can't find anything but 12th century pictures of armor (Boy is 38). I was hoping this might help since he is into sewing his garb by hand and being as period as possible. Interpretation: Sewing machines scare him) Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey "Live your life so your children can tell their children That you not only stood for something wonderful, But that you acted upon it". Dan Zadra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 30 15:11:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UKBFQ5024589 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:11:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0UKAWe0032662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:10:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0UKA8eP018588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UKA46N010981; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UK4FD3002802 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:04:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i19so171650rng.2 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:04:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+38rludH6CmdN18qCRSkOHTTX5Ct9+6/KCs7ey7zYCQ=; b=P8hQq89kq58q+KcLMzhRaWcB8/CB84shY5ph50ByVS97VKs5OzbdAWpMrUScjbDezP27d01BfiD0AE+iANDu7WUf8ra0UQIPOMeYtkZ99n/mxA7XxdIEsI8jpyqk2Ha7p5WCJE9ZpyqXe6G1uwpErc3jY5vVdS5ah+kqMeTOY7s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dqawwwtHqiLKA57Jyp6awyYFa+tHx+wZn7ydLlAVMtbd/fR2Y+JlqMa3B2j6hOy0RKb4/T3ujnFzy5f3/zP2/AEya/Odlg2LUF70q4VtQRmBJbnQS2lpPObqlknu01WNhUTYhb7qN1y5PP2JirOvmfCZQlTRGWJq4l9JjdJFJBY= Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr659222wfh.27.1201723451051; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:04:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:04:11 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <56812.72.13.239.193.1199667092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <200801271233.43045.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e0df2e4-44b5-4186-ba61-0d97f60cdbe8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A0D9B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:10:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca As an update, we used the MM kirtle pattern, but trimmed the sides of the gore that were designed to flare out over a hoop. Amy is a size 6 adult, and the petit size is very tight on her. Looks good. Today we'll cut out the tabard from the PP #41. Cheers, Aylwen On Jan 28, 2008 8:30 AM, Aylwen Garden wrote: > Yes, we're trying to make do with the patterns we've already got and > the underdress was not included in this pattern. > Cheers, Aylwen > > > On Jan 28, 2008 4:33 AM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Sunday 27 January 2008, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? > > > Just curious, > > > > Possibly because the PP patterns don't really have one for a kirtle; in some > > of them at least, the underdress is faked. > > > > > > > > -- > > Cathy Raymond > > > > "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool > > than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 30 15:13:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UKDtGs024641 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0UKDDHT002573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0UK7DGJ018095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UK6opO006792; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp8.kp.org (imp8.kp.org [162.119.242.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UJgdvx069789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m0UJd1Nb023165 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:42:26 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:42:20 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200801301900.m0UJ0Dcd007061@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 12th Cent Norman Men's Garb was [h-cost] Margarete I: Queen of theKalmar Union MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:42:40 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 01/30/2008 11:44:49 AM, Serialize complete at 01/30/2008 11:44:49 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-01-30 - 11:42:27 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84d85398-5b89-428d-9179-5b446644dbca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A0DA59.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca > I have a little Norman here at the house who is convinced that Norman Boys > didn't wear no clothes (doo dah, doo-dah!) because he can't find anything > but 12th century pictures of armor (Boy is 38). I was hoping this might > help since he is into sewing his garb by hand and being as period as > possible. Interpretation: Sewing machines scare him) You might point him towards the 12thcenturygarb yahoo mailing list; the files and photos sections have nice pictures. I was going to recommend Ga le Owen-Crocker's book _Dress in Anglo-Saxon England_ but I think it ends at the 11th century... :-S There's _Romanesque manuscripts : the Twelfth Century_ by Walter Cahn which sounds useful and is on my wishlist, but I've never had the chance to paw though it... And Milla Davenport's _The Book of Costume_ is always a good place to start if he really has found no pictures. Good luck! -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 30 16:35:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0ULZ6j8026750 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:35:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0ULYNmR007947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:34:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0UKWIWK023205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UKVvfl038031; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UKVgPN037617 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080130203134.PNJE5295.mta9.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:31:34 -0500 Message-ID: <831EE9D7B36A48A6BEABF3CCF5767543@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:31:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Two Grand Costume-related Experiences X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8864fa28-d63b-4c40-827e-03f4a0a48027 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A0ED5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:34:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca I have experienced two grand costume-related incidents this month: I recently ordered fabric from Hamilton Dry Goods, and was pleasantly = surprised by the customer service as well as the quickness with which = the fabric I had ordered was delivered. I will definitely deal with them = again. Secondly, I ordered a pattern for stays from the Mantua Maker, and Deb = wrote me more than once to make certain I was getting the proper stay = pattern for the Empire gown I'm making (which is more Directoire than = Georgian or Regency, apparently). I'm pleased to say that per her = recommendation, I'm getting the Regency stays which will promote more of = an "oysters on the half shell" effect. Her emails were greatly = appreciated, indeed! Had to share... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 30 18:08:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UN8PYR030021 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:08:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0UN7h1p000352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0UN7CF3051472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UN77UN030858; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:07:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0UN74XZ030732 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c67.27f8139d (29673) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:06:53 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:06:52 EST Subject: Re: Grenadiers Hat WAS: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 064ec15f-7d7d-40c4-bb23-14b6752ab6df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A1033F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:07:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca What kind of Grenadier's hat, and from which country? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 31 14:10:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0VJAtFX004282 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:10:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0VJAC8U012689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:10:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0VJ9gme086428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0VJ9J1O031243; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m0VJ9Fm7031135 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:09:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so775078ugd.17 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=7r80HvzzsAB+KGdx6xlJvrY7JtmCwZqqrB8k2tTbB/0=; b=d2sGIVIXTxkvC5mrn92aztCNm69+wzrfRSPjQ6JEotV1zXID7GWmXd/cQA5MIyl5Cve4+a1Y9oo/8mgLvN9U13I6f8cL9MsB7qcaHaoNs4N5cZiH9ZroS11v9r/3eWWhDw/VMWu1mYFSDHYiDpRLodOY2KVWCgoANx9ThZ7rCF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ccZsw9UCb6qB1/L0CTDiRzl72ppv2YXI7y5xsrs98DYcFOJbb3a9zXJw8AwYhheVSv8YY+xZ1BIJz7NHL8KF9/3l3FruvydpfctQk/ALt27EL3GJ/7E+wBdFBI3DyOKF1ir9CuYQrb6nubDiY5tLtxoBGPfMQsSA+4UM+DDQSiQ= Received: by 10.78.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr4071649hud.46.1201806553327; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.20.5 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:09:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190801311109x556ef2bfu40360988fc785dbe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:09:13 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hamilton Dry Goods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a223558-03cc-4837-8a9f-b845a88441fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A21D14.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:10:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Glad to hear of other good experiences with Hamilton Dry Goods. I know about them through their Ebay store - they had a good deal on over-the-knee socks (useful in a pinch as stockings for medieval/renaissance gear) a while back, something like 10 pair for $20. I don't have their Ebay seller ID on me but can look it up if others are interested. Allison T. On Jan 31, 2008 2:00 PM, wrote: > From: "Gilbert" > Subject: [h-cost] OT: Two Grand Costume-related Experiences > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <831EE9D7B36A48A6BEABF3CCF5767543@Gilbert> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have experienced two grand costume-related incidents this month: > > I recently ordered fabric from Hamilton Dry Goods, and was pleasantly surprised by the customer service as well as the quickness with which the fabric I had ordered was delivered. I will definitely deal with them again. > > Secondly, I ordered a pattern for stays from the Mantua Maker, and Deb wrote me more than once to make certain I was getting the proper stay pattern for the Empire gown I'm making (which is more Directoire than Georgian or Regency, apparently). I'm pleased to say that per her recommendation, I'm getting the Regency stays which will promote more of an "oysters on the half shell" effect. Her emails were greatly appreciated, indeed! > > Had to share... > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 31 20:03:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1113UJv015175 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:03:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1112elb024918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:02:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1112GDI070998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:02:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1111t3V058759; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1111p0c058637 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W44 ([65.55.138.79]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:01:42 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:01:41 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190801311109x556ef2bfu40360988fc785dbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d21ac190801311109x556ef2bfu40360988fc785dbe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2008 01:01:42.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[01F51C00:01C8646E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hamilton Dry Goods-weird X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfda70c3-8fb4-4261-88ed-8ae8f1f4ba9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A26FB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:02:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Yikes-got really weird stuff when I clicked on wools-looks like a source pa= ge, but in Chinese. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 31 20:17:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m111Hnrh015362 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:17:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m111H7Qf000912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m111FaDH072317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m111FZbY070927; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m111FWKC070767 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20080201011526.CUZM22143.mta10.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <11AB7E34C50A4AF383A9DB77CB36C1C1@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190801311109x556ef2bfu40360988fc785dbe@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hamilton Dry Goods-weird Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:15:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89f231e5-f1b6-436f-9529-4081b3005997 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A27313.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:17:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Yeah, I did also. But, if you access the site via Internet Explorer, it magically becomes words again. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] Hamilton Dry Goods-weird Yikes-got really weird stuff when I clicked on wools-looks like a source page, but in Chinese. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume