From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:14:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11IEJV6003653 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:14:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11IDZN8019947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:13:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11ID61F090714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11ICIrF037355; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11B2lXG076790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-224-89.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.224.89] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JKtfN-000FSC-II for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:32:41 +1030 Message-ID: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:32:38 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] nice hems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e34b302f-f631-43fc-b526-657727c218ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A3614F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:13:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So I've finally decided I need to do something about my appalling hems. I'm talking about getting them level, not actually sewing them. = Especially on dresses with large volumes of skirt (I'm rather fond of large volumes = of skirt) that are floor length or longer. For instance, houppelandes or=20 cotehardies with 6m or more hems. My dress dummy has a hem marker thingy, but it is not wide enough for such skirts. Mostly I try to find the shortest seam and trim round = in=20 line with that, which doesn't always work very well. Last time, with a = kirtle with a 7m hem I tried hanging it up on a coathanger in a doorway, but = the skirt basically just fell into a set of narrow folds, which still made it very = difficult to judge what was level with what. There are probably some really simple solutions that I haven't thought = of, but=20 do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? Claire/Angharad _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:48:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11Im4kC004640 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:48:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11IlKCJ002010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11Ig5kG004885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11IfqfU080812; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m11IXHSW067801 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 7102 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 2008 18:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 18:33:12 -0000 Received: from cm-84.208.121.156.getinternet.no ([84.208.121.156] helo=gunvor.getinternet.no) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JL0hM-0002Xe-2t for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:33:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:18:08 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems From: "G.Vinje" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.24 (Win32) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.208.121.156 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 77e722fe-a888-4db3-b28e-c0a467ca1ddf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A36938.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:02:38 +0100, Claire Clarke wrote: > There are probably some really simple solutions that I haven't thought > of, but > do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? this is what I do with floorlenght or longer medieval dresses/houppelandes; put the garment on the floor folded in half (sideways). this gives you an idea of the curve from front to back. most of the floor lenght or longer garments needs more lenght at the back than at the front, and needs to be of a comfortable lenght at the front. ideally you should have a sloping curve from center front to center back. I tend to go with 10cm/2 inches longer at the back for dresses without trains. this is too long for somebody without a butt btw. ;-) get a tailors chalk and draw the curve you want to test, put on garment to see if this will work. readjust if necessary (most people are a little loopsided) and gently start trimming. trim 2-3 times (a little at a time) instead of once if in doubt. Good luck ! Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:20:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JKxUJ005653 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:20:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11JKFGd019213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11JJo98015566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JJehJ033618; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp6.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JJRSm033186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m11JIU89008257 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:19:16 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:19:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200802011901.m11J0ibM008063@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] nice hems MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:19:31 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/01/2008 11:21:41 AM, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 11:21:41 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-02-01 - 11:19:17 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b07166a8-07ff-4baa-93a8-06e7bb0edf90 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A370EF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:20:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I put my dress form on a stool, and mark the hem as if the dress form were a person wearing the outfit. I mark this height by using a solid ruler and measuring from the floor to my desired level. The longer the hem, the closer to the floor I declare to be "the level" (remembering that there's a stool there to make the whole thing longer then floor length. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:46:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 11:02 01/02/2008, you wrote: >So I've finally decided I need to do something about my appalling hems. >I'm talking about getting them level, not actually sewing them. Especially >on dresses with large volumes of skirt (I'm rather fond of large volumes of >skirt) that are floor length or longer. For instance, houppelandes or >cotehardies with 6m or more hems. > >My dress dummy has a hem marker thingy, but it is not wide enough >for such skirts. Mostly I try to find the shortest seam and trim round in >line with that, which doesn't always work very well. Last time, with a kirtle >with a 7m hem I tried hanging it up on a coathanger in a doorway, >but the skirt >basically just fell into a set of narrow folds, which still made it >very difficult to >judge what was level with what. > >There are probably some really simple solutions that I haven't >thought of, but >do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? > >Claire/Angharad >Have you tried finishing the hem then levelling the skirt from the top/waist? >When I levelled the 8 yard hem of my houppelande, which is slightly >longer than floor at the front, and trained at the back, I didn't >worry about it being level, except at the seams, as no-one is going >to go round that with a tape measure to check it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:49:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JnRjf006908 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:49:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11Jmhrg011172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:48:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11JmVvj024487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JmS6Y073125; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JNh8W039397 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A28A118D56 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:23:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47A37233.2090005@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:25:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> In-Reply-To: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b2494e85-22ce-4f7e-9b60-c132b8e620b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A3779B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:48:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > > There are probably some really simple solutions that I haven't thought of, but > do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? > > Get a helper. I have a sewing buddy and we take turns crawling around on the floor for each other when we need gowns hemmed. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:57:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JvUfn007155 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:57:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11JulUH000865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:56:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11JnIAP024975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JnEnI074296; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11JZFfm056250 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1345417pyc.4 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:35:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=g4qkDLAt/zks+hxDNtlGz0oHOIZxHbDNS4fzW5ozuhY=; b=dCr8yKqTYz0C3jS2wcV4+qwECHgQLVvr3k0sp3lRkpq8C2FwQp9KbaP6UP7Dp6TfQeqQ1Ae9Vp/8WaFo1QB8xX8PgY0A+viLsXDXeY+4RAehqJgSSrbEovTcMyQGy+fGw2QkUfHpYvNKP4v2bJ9ayS5/nSAty/R2E3gQLoRou64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O0OJ4lbqQf5kOU/hHqTKYcBfzWgmUkqh/UjRfxKUFEx2A+SLzZb7HbUdnAEQRiS1gnAype5X9wFKMP88PGHT3PdWesUYcukGOP9BvzTaqAW1oCgnWiqViQVqYgE31XDpEOsqotfc2MbQhiy5UMmvzztTJK35IMHuZursFFV4RVA= Received: by 10.35.12.10 with SMTP id p10mr4281265pyi.36.1201894512257; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.62.10 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:35:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590802011135lb744cfavb7d7b01e0aea5721@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:35:12 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems In-Reply-To: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b07bd3f-7e73-4464-bcce-55bb8220f973 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A3797F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:56:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I put my gown on and see where the skirt is touching the floor and put a pin there. If I need to I'll step on it to create a fold so when I bend over to pin I know where the pin goes. Then I straighten and check that the pin is in the place that I want it to be. I keep doing that until I have the whole of the hem marked. This way if you need extra in the back or front, depending on where your curves are, this is automatically determined. alex On Feb 1, 2008 5:02 AM, Claire Clarke wrote: > So I've finally decided I need to do something about my appalling hems. > I'm talking about getting them level, not actually sewing them. Especially > on dresses with large volumes of skirt (I'm rather fond of large volumes of > skirt) that are floor length or longer. For instance, houppelandes or > cotehardies with 6m or more hems. > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:22:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11KMZl7007899 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:22:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11KLnJo022145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11KLSo3036616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11KLIIX018850; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11KL9em018656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.100] (dial-209-148-98-100.sonic.net [209.148.98.100] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m11KL84V007842 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: <47A37F33.7040002@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:21:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Computational Couture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28f27c16-bb62-4d7c-8c9a-f1c5c16e48cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A37F5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:29:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11NTtZ5013118 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:29:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m11NT9sY005722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11NSgZo075243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11NSZoC063988; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:28:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11NSSJ6063763 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so320890ana.65 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:28:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=YEYXTkS31mKxJQIYw2s8je8r/TjOEnbpwTo5RSrDf4s=; b=rAXQn2rFm3poop5VA8yV6UY6jeJEcGHH5OMJ142AEv3k3IJ7N9CQ9tsdEk48xSfpAKvxb0/YHUvJ7Pz1pMd3WgTiAgZRWqm0VmpUuONpp78/TPOa/GrpmivmLVFKFYXyvEAWCsjqoVda63QBJ/jomZbXnCmiZlSZDW/tJ/9EtgU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ZKMtOm/qkqOD7SnLh1EsZzcBxTPmp0bYQRnk81v1v2t6OrFjy26TjEWNLtrJ7aTiu13tY9sCH+Ls/EFobRQc2Hj22IKE6QdXhJCPY80nzkpmjq/XsMhB6+6Rr1AtyZTuSLuwfNbunmv3EB9slP84VqshmqJo5CQONcXpqBXTRGE= Received: by 10.100.252.16 with SMTP id z16mr8535683anh.36.1201908503658; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm73929agd.25.2008.02.01.15.28.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:28:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <307c01c8652a$647dd8a0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <870801590802011135lb744cfavb7d7b01e0aea5721@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:30:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 421fb943-b6d9-4aaa-b8fd-034a7911b471 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A3AB45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My method developed from a blend of laziness and perfectionism, and the lack of a sewing helper. I put the dress on (inside out, if I plan for it to be unwashable). Then I grab a chalk marker or colored pencil, and stand beside my kitchen counter. My kitchen counter happens to be just the right height--about an inch below the widest part of my hips--but any flat surface that's at the right height and wide enough to rest the chalk marker on would work just fine. You might consider piling books on the edge of a table or desk until it's the right height, if you're not so lucky with your kitchen counter. Your surface needs to be high up enough that there are few folds in the skirt where you're marking, but low enough so that you're just barely past the widest part of your lower half, and your hips and rear have already had whatever effect they're going to have on the placement of the hem. Standing beside my surface, I press the marker down on it, point out, with the hand opposite the side I'm about to mark. For example, if I'm marking my left side, I use my right hand to hold the marker in place. Then, standing as straight as possible, and using my other hand (in this example, the left hand) to make sure that as much of the fabric as possible comes into contact with the marker, I rotate slowly; the marker marks the fabric as I go. (It's ok to miss an inch or two, here and there, with your marks; you can generally figure out later where the curve should go based on what is marked.) If you're generally symmetrical, you can get away with marking only one side; personally, even though I am symmetrical when it comes to length I like to mark both sides and average out the curves, just to make sure the mark is accurate and I didn't twitch at the wrong moment. Once the curve is marked, I measure the distance from the surface to the floor. Ok, I don't, because I've got it memorized: 36" exactly. (Why yes, it is hard for me to buy pants.) That means that if I want to have a floor-length hem, I need to measure down exactly 36" inches from the curve I just marked, plus seam allowance. Whatever your surface-to-floor distance is, use it to figure out how much you need to add to the curve to reach your desired length + seam allowance. Take off your dress, and lay it flat on the floor, with a fold from the top of the front to the bottom at one end, and the back at the other. The bodice and sleeve portion should be all bunched up at the top of what will look vaguely like a triangle. Lock up your cats, and smooth the gown out all nice and tidy, with the current hem edges matched together as perfectly as possible. Pin the current hem edges together every foot or so, so that when you cut the new hem you can be sure that you're cutting the same amount off of each side. (Unless you're asymmetrical and had to mark each side separately; in that case you don't need to mess with pinning. Just be sure to mark the new hem as below on both sides!) Get a yardstick, or two if you are planning on a longer-than-floor length. (If two, go ahead and tape them together to the correct length; it'll save headaches.) Then, ignoring where your seams are, place the yardstick at a 90 degree angle to your marked curve. The easiest way to do this is to line up the top edge of your yardstick with the marks. Then, at your desired length, make a mark on EACH side of the yardstick. Move your yardstick an inch or two further along your marked curve, remembering to readjust it so that it's at that 90 degree angle and the top edge matches the curve, and mark again. This should place your next set of hem marks several inches from your first set--far enough that you don't have to spend all day marking, but close enough that you can easily draw in a curve. Continue all the way around, and then go back and join up your hem marks in a smooth curve. If you're particularly nervous, you can unpin the hem, try the gown on to see if your new hem marks are satisfactory, and then go back through the smoothing/pinning process again before you cut your new hem line, but personally I'm far too lazy for that. If you have an especially wide skirt or are trying for an especially tough hem length (like exactly floor-length all the way around) it may help to make preliminary marks on your curve mark, dividing it up into equal sections--say, front, front-side, side, side-back, back. Then, measure the length of the front, side, and back first, making sure that the side hem measurement mark is exactly halfway between the front & back hem marks. Then, you can mark the hem halfway between the front and the side, then halfway between the front and the front-side, and so on, using your preliminary marks on the curve to help. This is the method I use 95% of the time, but then I have a very vocal inner Adrian Monk. If you plan on having a train, figure out your desired length at the front, the sides, and the back. Write this down somewhere. Using that information, figure out the length of several landmarks in between the front and the back. For example, let's say I want a train of 16" in the back, with 8" on each side to give it a smooth curve. My length from the mark to the front is 36"; my length from the mark to halfway between the front and the side is 40"; my length from the mark to the side is 44"; my length from the mark to halfway between the side and the back is 48"; my length from the mark to the back is 50". If I need more than just those measurements to figure out the curve of the hem, I can measure halfway in between the front and the front-side, and add in a length of 38" (halfway between my front length of 36" and my front-side length of 40"), and so on all the way around the hem. (Note--with trains, I personally prefer to wait until I'm a bit closer to the sides before adding in any extra length, because if I'm planning on a long train, the front hem of my garment could easily wind up with a frowny-face sort of curve. I generally keep the front at a constant length until I'm at the front-side portion, then I start gradually adding in the length.) Though I do occasionally hem otherwise finished dresses this way, most of the time I actually wind up marking the hem-length on my fitting muslin once I'm happy with the fit. Since my fitting muslin is generally upper-thigh length, this tends to work out beautifully. By figuring out my hem before I cut out my fabric, I can use a thriftier & more efficient fabric layout, which is way more of a priority for me than it probably should be. Also, if I'm only marking the fitting muslin, I can use a Sharpie marker for the marking, which is a lot easier than trying to get the chalk to make enough of an impression. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:10:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123A2pa019710 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:10:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1239I6L022417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1238ldj099110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1238gUL068097; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outY.internet-mail-service.net (outY.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11Kg7lx047563 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:42:00 -0800 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 2E8F91270B1; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:42:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:42:00 -0800 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems Message-ID: <20080201204200.GB93001@idiom.com> References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <47A37233.2090005@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47A37233.2090005@reddawn.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 934ab2da-2dde-4cd6-b068-fa5777e17e6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A3DEDE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:09:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On 01 Feb 2008, Dawn wrote: > Claire Clarke wrote: > > > >There are probably some really simple solutions that I haven't thought of, > >but do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? > > > > > > Get a helper. I have a sewing buddy and we take turns crawling around > on the floor for each other when we need gowns hemmed. I second that. Also note that you don't need to mark the hem at the exact place you want the hem to be. You can mark where the garment hits the floor, or, what I find easier, about 12.5 inches (one ruler length) above the floor. This gives you a line that will be horizontal when the garment is worn, so you can add or subtract from that to get the length you really want. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:10:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123AMw7019723 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:10:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1239cgA008818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:09:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1239O27099156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1239Mdt068555; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m11L3fNt076493 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:03:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JVK003J8VTNL0S0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:03:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:03:23 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 In-reply-to: <7ef177d20802011127u5f2922a2qbdff75567253a042@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 9e09b5cb-2ad5-427f-ac8c-94b3b87e31c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A3DEF2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Richard Harper Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:28 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123UCM8020262 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:30:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m123TTaU012919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:29:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m123TFl1000686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123TEmi081816; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123T8Q0081709 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1103755rvf.11 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:29:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=an+j+6ZsMi0Qrl0cIFKTXlGTxEqWN1+vkdSsEqUGjVw=; b=n6eE2AN22yIrcA41zJ9outLV3/PpJR7PyBiM7BEwBuD2iXvOznVXRdE9kk+Kz7nbh1RBsrIfbLe4dVLSltbDPOZbVzZUCXCno/aJBFep7D+vSIgG2/KwZL+0wSGv6iyCyabtv0ytXXTlhgZzfi8DU/OjWjr3aSBf9Bn5EKSS644= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AFlOUh+nUp2GkzmgSeomKi9MbXzTz95zHujCbpJeNI7fps4jYFlKWYtyTHzBIMY6V9WXlhxb+QZKyHpPw25+C9/+YSMOKVgeWBbz1qBHjvMtlY4nTfd4BFNrNti3lc4qAfrE0aUqyRaZUNxO+mLt+DHL9gZ+7mhlnKDKzOJu7iI= Received: by 10.141.34.12 with SMTP id m12mr3016050rvj.26.1201922945317; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.40.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:29:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <674184e90802011929s5d69d2cey55a15b48fe716a5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:29:05 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computational Couture In-Reply-To: <47A37F33.7040002@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47A37F33.7040002@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50b8abd4-6645-4a11-9990-3a67ec7aed99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A3E399.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sidney > > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:35:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123ZwLS020404 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:35:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m123ZANA020665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m123Y6Uj000990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123Y5lx084835; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m123Y2sr084785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.113] (dial-209-148-101-113.sonic.net [209.148.101.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m123Y0Mf003625 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:34:01 -0800 Message-ID: <47A3E4A7.9030201@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:33:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computational Couture References: <47A37F33.7040002@lavoltapress.com> <674184e90802011929s5d69d2cey55a15b48fe716a5f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <674184e90802011929s5d69d2cey55a15b48fe716a5f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddef1d0b-0bf0-415f-b079-f4dfcd0b84ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A3E4EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks for your interest, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com S Young wrote: > Hi Fran, > > > I had a look at you web site and am interested in some of the books, do you > take paypal? > > Sidney > > >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 1 23:50:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m124oVuo022216 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:50:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m124nmWn011781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:49:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m124nLqG005591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m124nISG031472; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m124nFu0031362 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:49:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (194.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.194]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2008020204490811200bu6i2e>; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:49:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 077b1098-aaec-456c-913f-8db53f44d2f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A3F66C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:49:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone now and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 00:40:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m125eXBD023830 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m125do5L008246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:39:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m125daNi010315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m125dZ7Z062615; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m125dWg1062539 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=EWrW16ZMIXRtOwe7089d0AOPZBO9EYvfA8wwq7fkkW/tgQI2xpGyiNL50xAqXuGp; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JLB66-00059k-W1 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:39:27 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080201231939.040b8790@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:24:06 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <7ef177d20802011127u5f2922a2qbdff75567253a042@mail.gmail.co m> References: <200802011901.m11J0ibN008063@net.indra.com> <7ef177d20802011127u5f2922a2qbdff75567253a042@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53f1589f7192fe2e2962236394dd6f7e368709a2ffafe31006350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: hem marking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16b2e622-4897-4d3d-8bbf-13587951f98e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A40226.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:39:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We use the chalk-skirt-marker-and-box method also. Our box is one of those Rubbermaid plastic steps - cheap, sturdy, non-skid, and small enough to not interfere with the hems of most skirts. It's also very flat on top - important if you're wearing odd shoes (which for me is any heel over 1"). Sandy At 01:27 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: >but do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? > >The simplest thing I have found to do: > >1. Get a chalk skirt marker (a tall plastic rod with a chalk marker >attached, usually with a bulb for blowing a chalk mark). I believe >the most popular maker these days is Dritz and they are not expensive. > >2. Stand on a settee or box so that the skirt hangs free all the >way around; make sure you are wearing any proper undergarments and >proper shoes. > >3. Have a friend corroborate with you where you'd like the hem to >be, then while you stand up straight (at a natural stance, of >course) have your friend go all the way around you and mark the hem >with the chalk marker. > >This will work even if your hems are beyond floor level. If you are >dealing with a train, then mark the skirt the correct length for >walking at the front and sides. Figure out what length you'd like >the train to be (and the angle you'd like it to achieve), and mark >it at your pleasure while it is off your body. > >This method works very well no matter what the circumference; I have >marked huge ball gown hems this way -- you have to move the fabric about to >make sure you get enough marks, but they always come out beautifully. > >Richard in MI "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 00:57:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m125vQKQ024322 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:57:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m125uhMj015385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:56:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m125sGUG011302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m125sEu1076366; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/9f/6OrQv7PyAPDCWpk49bxkc0e5Rj4Lw@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m125sBw3076319 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1j.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.188]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m125s9do018436 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:54:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 18163 invoked by uid 80); 2 Feb 2008 05:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@71.157.172.73) by 209.237.134.184 with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2008 05:53:03 -0000 Message-ID: <47A40580.1050801@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:54:08 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hem marking References: <200802011901.m11J0ibN008063@net.indra.com> <7ef177d20802011127u5f2922a2qbdff75567253a042@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080201231939.040b8790@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080201231939.040b8790@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c269b900-77ee-407a-9777-148ed7842966 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A4061B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:56:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > We use the chalk-skirt-marker-and-box method also. My method is similar, but even lower-tech. I stand on a phone book. My choice of book depends on whether I want a hem that brushes the floor or comes a little higher or lower. For instance, if I want a hem that just touches the floor, I stand on a book that is about the width of the hem allowance. I then get a husband or friend to scoot around me marking the point where the skirt hits the ground. The hard floor makes a nice firm backing to the chalk as you mark. You do need to make sure the skirt is falling straight down to the point being marked, and move the excess width of skirt aside as needed as you work your way around the person. Then proceed as someone else explained -- take off the dress, and fold along the center front line and center back line with the skirt lying flat and the two sides perfectly matched up. At that point I pin through both layers, along the line of my chalk marks visible on the upper side. I flip the whole thing over, and I can see whether the lines match by comparing the chalk marks on the other side to the line of pins showing through. I can average the two lines by eye as I cut a smooth line from center front to center back. If I want a train, I add the right amount to the back and taper the line out starting at the side front. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 04:35:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m129Z9W8029329 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:35:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m129YOaK030623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:34:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m129XxLV029598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m129XtcP032783; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m129Xrn3032749 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1123748waf.3 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:33:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DegKR5vTyIWvAvnUbtSN2WEVWQThsA/Guxhe/DWSyPs=; b=AQGi4gaiJrIaEZzq3IOJ5tkpWWadK5bni7wllr60bgARmhAvskVdSexIB3aqf2lcOvD0pPYYZk1Nt+FFtdMKW4bVfJ8HWZCG4fW9ug/Bbb/vZuEXoxqKbI5KJcfKbAQPHCvulHbIyq0sK+GN02rNCdN9kwK1zLX+Yc7EEiAHj0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iSkSooasGwrKdjU8jl2vakb5kUDw2fuDxlf/I2nXMTNpBYCW7avaKncg8Gz0mL0Hba3RPAgsJZxnLbTYvmObIl9SHFOczn0CIRpQFAmWMwozVO+EA2nhdcDWMCnqoGQ0y7H58l9WimVFurTFp16U/Wx1biCJMeYGzv2uBnwmLag= Received: by 10.142.82.17 with SMTP id f17mr2703338wfb.56.1201944832957; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.7 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:33:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:33:52 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hem marking In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080201231939.040b8790@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200802011901.m11J0ibN008063@net.indra.com> <7ef177d20802011127u5f2922a2qbdff75567253a042@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080201231939.040b8790@pop.radiks.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 602871fa-426a-43a5-bffc-c04eef141085 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A43920.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:34:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You can also put your hoop or farthingale on the hoop, and place the gown over the top. Aylwen On Feb 2, 2008 4:24 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > We use the chalk-skirt-marker-and-box method also. Our box is one of > those Rubbermaid plastic steps - cheap, sturdy, non-skid, and small > enough to not interfere with the hems of most skirts. It's also very > flat on top - important if you're wearing odd shoes (which for me is > any heel over 1"). > > Sandy > > At 01:27 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: > > of, > >but do the list persons have any tips about getting long hems level? > > > >The simplest thing I have found to do: > > > >1. Get a chalk skirt marker (a tall plastic rod with a chalk marker > >attached, usually with a bulb for blowing a chalk mark). I believe > >the most popular maker these days is Dritz and they are not expensive. > > > >2. Stand on a settee or box so that the skirt hangs free all the > >way around; make sure you are wearing any proper undergarments and > >proper shoes. > > > >3. Have a friend corroborate with you where you'd like the hem to > >be, then while you stand up straight (at a natural stance, of > >course) have your friend go all the way around you and mark the hem > >with the chalk marker. > > > >This will work even if your hems are beyond floor level. If you are > >dealing with a train, then mark the skirt the correct length for > >walking at the front and sides. Figure out what length you'd like > >the train to be (and the angle you'd like it to achieve), and mark > >it at your pleasure while it is off your body. > > > >This method works very well no matter what the circumference; I have > >marked huge ball gown hems this way -- you have to move the fabric about > to > >make sure you get enough marks, but they always come out beautifully. > > > >Richard in MI > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 12:22:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m12HMLud030058 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:22:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m12HLZOt015247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:21:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m12HKqui085040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m12HKjjQ041229; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m12HKh5V041181 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1662185pyc.4 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:20:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=o5Q/VFFRAcxEPL1+o4NGNhc8W1iCqdPyZLfy+XUXJGc=; b=aRp+1ZuPdPxDn+IS3xGVRiQMhNSU7jMuPCfDrUpZ1p1ZkuTkaVLf45mTqJ3QqcbK5q72P4ZZI7kJvhaT6NnJlohU33Tnf9ItUd0ZB2MhviQgn9bH6BnZuDoutn9Dg6Pi+ZMPJezQbVFZ2QqVNf3zYP40iiNrPES3C+XaoESidhk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=YcjTrSlA2UMNVYUQ8IqRuUx4y1cXMEnQaWOW31UjQWun3CgjfiqraxfvUr7oFIHvlWR2DEx+22aivLEc/BfOuoiWPAW52KW5lSNAFfPGQmfVWmBIUuJqozvo2f3+vLiyHipcfCuYnUlStGVPXMDZSwZFLTEdejF6p8xBh4qPR0Q= Received: by 10.65.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr8568501qbm.26.1201972842327; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q17sm3539419qbq.34.2008.02.02.09.20.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:20:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005e01c865c0$1d3d6c30$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII><870801590802011135lb744cfavb7d7b01e0aea5721@mail.gmail.com> <307c01c8652a$647dd8a0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37c0d4e6-4092-4ac9-bc88-d21360661ac8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A4A69F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:21:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > of a sewing helper. I put the dress on (inside out, if I plan for it to > be unwashable). Careful with this method though. When you put it inside out, the right side ends up on your left and vice-versa, so if you're even slightly lopsided (most of us are) your hem will end up longer on one side than on the other. One important thing to remember too... the only way to be sure it's straight is to iron the fold, pin or baste temporarily, put the dress back on and look at yourself. Some fabrics stretch in weird ways and what looks straight when you mark it will end up looking weird when you wear it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 21:34:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m132YJlC013939 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:34:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m132XZA0024017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:33:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m132XDjh052376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m132X9CP006904; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m132X7vL006813 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so281366nfd.41 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:33:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=5Gdh+51j6eAmI7z4TcAOFDAJc/rKqjPNEfNznECtO3A=; b=CCCFYdklwtfLW/7+uMj91xPYayouCijnhQN7v83Fpe4f17guXfv9Ch7+g6/Y1Kx/K5PBe6CrNdO2iUIu+e7oXTkV/R97rrONTdqq7yqejTasnlgCX2TV4Kzvh5Yt7Bt/Q9Ra1BlTK3plBJdX8ni/rZrSUatoaKZVPNnwsv5mNgo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GH7ccuop34NSftAWj9Ml92IgGY0gcs4DnMVseNjcoSq63dZmpdBK5AjFfhxDteediFCkOKnqicl8RiChlMN9eO8FMA3l/B4z2dAnt75Ep6KaTkYuHXP9BxPnbDEQRoZiT026wj46FO0Rcy+Yy2CGH4LMij4unhEul3ZfzuYD3yw= Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr9594642huf.34.1202005981294; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.20.5 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:33:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190802021833n181e0da1s55a51d809aef19f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:33:01 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] slops for women? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf73b649-c5f3-44f1-8894-cf36b231a8aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A527FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:33:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm reading "Dress in the Court of Henry VIII" and found a strange reference to slops for women on page 64. It's a description of the fabric given to some of Henry VII's female relatives to make mourning clothes for his funeral (in 1509). The author writes that Margaret Beaufort, Catherine of Aragon and Princess Mary each "received 16 yards of cloth to make a mantle, surcote, kirtle, SLOPS (my emphasis) and hood". A similar reference is made on p. 65 that Elizabeth of York's sister had a "slop" made as part of her mourning gear (along with mantle, sircote, kirtle, hood) for Elizabeth's funeral (1503). I've heard of slops for men during this period, but not for women. What is the author describing? Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 21:45:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m132jZeS014221 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:45:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m132iqNF027603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m132iTVs053096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m132iSN9013384; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:44:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m132iPdj013302 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56634 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 22:30:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WY/5IlH/m78qCOOfutXrB9YfrYCHI6V4MO7QkgMqgd3yheH4N71zW25gMyKdxKeI8KqoNR68dsrp5p0EPSNcpZCS7Q47eSpI4lh+hIimd9O65HexIFoxN8wokgPw521gFAFY9pnf4dRECSfqn8rlBYZyjnxEQc3FyRpKQe2/ong= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (waddiejean@90.207.189.68 with plain) by smtp007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 22:30:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4O4htK8VM1lqHrUUKrKSBRLG4IwzCpt1qr4IJEdlrA_RupBNlwmBGsQaVEE7ZhXfM0Y- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47A4EF09.3040307@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:30:33 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hem marking References: <200802011901.m11J0ibN008063@net.indra.com> <7ef177d20802011127u5f2922a2qbdff75567253a042@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080201231939.040b8790@pop.radiks.net> <47A40580.1050801@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47A40580.1050801@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64af3530-d45f-47f2-ae7b-55e9177fed78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A52AA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:44:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: >> We use the chalk-skirt-marker-and-box method also. > My method is similar, but even lower-tech. I stand on a phone book. My > choice of book depends on whether I want a hem that brushes the floor > or comes a little higher or lower. For instance, if I want a hem that > just touches the floor, I stand on a book that is about the width of > the hem allowance. I then get a husband or friend to scoot around me > marking the point where the skirt hits the ground. The hard floor > makes a nice firm backing to the chalk as you mark. I second this one. Pretty much any friend can mark where the fabric hits the floor, while they may be far too nervous to try to mark a distance up from the floor. My husband swore that he could not mark a hem straight, but using this method he marked a dress for me with box pleats at the front and a train at the back and it came out perfectly! Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 2 23:49:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m134nINK017901 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:49:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m134mY3l003927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:48:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m134mGWv060314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m134mDUQ077749; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m134mAqg077703 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18561 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2008 04:48:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bApy5wdd7N82V/YkWH8IipBVksDu0W1nhnJxCjv7m6CJM54M2+SYcorUp2f6BhzB/rcZ2bVsuHhqRoOODmZm4B1jYnTfJZ2olMh9Kbc5wjJwlzkxutPxE/RBQiWRiKTjsPCxmFbntWNL54vCF5VOAcbkx7gAXtDjO9WL1EgYelc=; X-YMail-OSG: PowDpD4VM1ki77CQKSL5WcEmv0HCTCRDXValjU_t9ACoGlAVy8zFc5gMcFy76gPDFWG7J6Dk7qKzRRySFLSP6HB0EYKNGfWB6qDC29qZR0xQyAzkNKE- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:48:04 PST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190802021833n181e0da1s55a51d809aef19f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <237805.18544.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e4f7a1b-3c5e-4a72-aab7-40b27dcaac91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A547A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:48:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Greetings Allison, I glossed right over that list, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. Two thoughts I have on slops. One is that further down the same paragraph they note that both Catherine and Mary are riding horses, since they get special pillions saddles. Perhaps the slops were for when they are riding their horses? The other item is in the back of the book, Glossary, pg 435 SLOP loose breeches or hose with wide legs; a cloak or nightgown. I think in the situation given, perhaps this time the slops refer to a type of cloak? Not really positive, and perhaps more info will come around further into the book when they discuss women's clothing. And while I read the women's section a bit, I jumped around. Right now I am deep into Henry VIII's clothing section, after having finished the black garments of his father. Man Henry VII and his family wore a lot of black garments! Kimiko --- "A. Thurman" wrote: > I'm reading "Dress in the Court of Henry VIII" and > found a strange > reference to slops for women on page 64. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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Eleanor Farrell and Shelley Monson Masquerade Directors CC26 website: http://www.cc26.info email: histmasq@cc26.org Please feel free to repost this announcement.... thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 3 16:30:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m13LUuE0028991 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:30:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m13LUC7l006844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:30:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m13LTqiW064143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m13LTpnp072450; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m13LTkk0072372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-251.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m13LTaLu027846 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:29:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200802031900.m13J03EI041925@net.indra.com> References: <200802031900.m13J03EI041925@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:29:35 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5671/Sun Feb 3 12:19:40 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd8ec78c-8c50-415c-8aa2-845576baa331 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A63264.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:30:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Could it be the rug that goes under a sidesaddle to protect the gown from dirt? I believe they were sometimes made to match the gown. I'm blanking on the actual term used for it, but I know I've seen it somewhere.... Perhaps someone else on the list will know! Suzanne On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "A. Thurman" > Date: February 2, 2008 8:33:01 PM CST > > I'm reading "Dress in the Court of Henry VIII" and found a strange > reference to slops for women on page 64. > > It's a description of the fabric given to some of Henry VII's female > relatives to make mourning clothes for his funeral (in 1509). The > author writes that Margaret Beaufort, Catherine of Aragon and Princess > Mary each "received 16 yards of cloth to make a mantle, surcote, > kirtle, SLOPS (my emphasis) and hood". > > I've heard of slops for men during this period, but not for women. > What is the author describing? Any ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 3 18:10:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m13NA6Bx031305 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:10:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m13N9MO7031864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:09:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m13N8quY086042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m13N8nCF051759; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m13N8k6f051633 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cbc.269c2907 (37181) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA054-913d47a64972243; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:08:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <200802031900.m13J03EI041925@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:08:34 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca5d75bc-e4c0-4313-9513-c22bd9ef1287 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A649A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:09:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO May I pass this question along to a a sidesaddle group on Yahoo? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 3, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: > Could it be the rug that goes under a sidesaddle to protect the gown=20 > from dirt? I believe they were sometimes made to match the gown. I'm=20 > blanking on the actual term used for it, but I know I've seen it=20 > somewhere.... Perhaps someone else on the list will know! > > Suzanne > > On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >> From: "A. Thurman" >> Date: February 2, 2008 8:33:01 PM CST >> >> I'm reading "Dress in the Court of Henry VIII" and found a strange >> reference to slops for women on page 64. >> >> It's a description of the fabric given to some of Henry VII's female >> relatives to make mourning clothes for his funeral (in 1509). The >> author writes that Margaret Beaufort, Catherine of Aragon and Princess >> Mary each "received 16 yards of cloth to make a mantle, surcote, >> kirtle, SLOPS (my emphasis) and hood". >> >> I've heard of slops for men during this period, but not for women. >> What is the author describing? Any ideas or suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 3 19:15:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m140FgUV000559 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:15:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m140Ejjf020128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:14:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m140D3JZ092075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m140Cwdj096334; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m140CrKC096281 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:12:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8231E0404EE; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:11:15 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII><870801590802011135lb744cfavb7d7b01e0aea5721@mail.gmail.com> <307c01c8652a$647dd8a0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: RE: [h-cost] nice hems Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01c866c2$aebc1730$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <307c01c8652a$647dd8a0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchlKh7PcCoo0BHXTNCcCsNORDZXyABmHPrA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:15:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Regarding pants for you-Lands End makes a lot of their pants in a Tall version. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Exstock Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice hems My method developed from a blend of laziness and perfectionism, and the lack of a sewing helper. I put the dress on (inside out, if I plan for it to be unwashable). Then I grab a chalk marker or colored pencil, and stand beside my kitchen counter. My kitchen counter happens to be just the right height--about an inch below the widest part of my hips--but any flat surface that's at the right height and wide enough to rest the chalk marker on would work just fine. You might consider piling books on the edge of a table or desk until it's the right height, if you're not so lucky with your kitchen counter. Your surface needs to be high up enough that there are few folds in the skirt where you're marking, but low enough so that you're just barely past the widest part of your lower half, and your hips and rear have already had whatever effect they're going to have on the placement of the hem. Standing beside my surface, I press the marker down on it, point out, with the hand opposite the side I'm about to mark. For example, if I'm marking my left side, I use my right hand to hold the marker in place. Then, standing as straight as possible, and using my other hand (in this example, the left hand) to make sure that as much of the fabric as possible comes into contact with the marker, I rotate slowly; the marker marks the fabric as I go. (It's ok to miss an inch or two, here and there, with your marks; you can generally figure out later where the curve should go based on what is marked.) If you're generally symmetrical, you can get away with marking only one side; personally, even though I am symmetrical when it comes to length I like to mark both sides and average out the curves, just to make sure the mark is accurate and I didn't twitch at the wrong moment. Once the curve is marked, I measure the distance from the surface to the floor. Ok, I don't, because I've got it memorized: 36" exactly. (Why yes, it is hard for me to buy pants.) That means that if I want to have a floor-length hem, I need to measure down exactly 36" inches from the curve I just marked, plus seam allowance. Whatever your surface-to-floor distance is, use it to figure out how much you need to add to the curve to reach your desired length + seam allowance. Take off your dress, and lay it flat on the floor, with a fold from the top of the front to the bottom at one end, and the back at the other. The bodice and sleeve portion should be all bunched up at the top of what will look vaguely like a triangle. Lock up your cats, and smooth the gown out all nice and tidy, with the current hem edges matched together as perfectly as possible. Pin the current hem edges together every foot or so, so that when you cut the new hem you can be sure that you're cutting the same amount off of each side. (Unless you're asymmetrical and had to mark each side separately; in that case you don't need to mess with pinning. Just be sure to mark the new hem as below on both sides!) Get a yardstick, or two if you are planning on a longer-than-floor length. (If two, go ahead and tape them together to the correct length; it'll save headaches.) Then, ignoring where your seams are, place the yardstick at a 90 degree angle to your marked curve. The easiest way to do this is to line up the top edge of your yardstick with the marks. Then, at your desired length, make a mark on EACH side of the yardstick. Move your yardstick an inch or two further along your marked curve, remembering to readjust it so that it's at that 90 degree angle and the top edge matches the curve, and mark again. This should place your next set of hem marks several inches from your first set--far enough that you don't have to spend all day marking, but close enough that you can easily draw in a curve. Continue all the way around, and then go back and join up your hem marks in a smooth curve. If you're particularly nervous, you can unpin the hem, try the gown on to see if your new hem marks are satisfactory, and then go back through the smoothing/pinning process again before you cut your new hem line, but personally I'm far too lazy for that. If you have an especially wide skirt or are trying for an especially tough hem length (like exactly floor-length all the way around) it may help to make preliminary marks on your curve mark, dividing it up into equal sections--say, front, front-side, side, side-back, back. Then, measure the length of the front, side, and back first, making sure that the side hem measurement mark is exactly halfway between the front & back hem marks. Then, you can mark the hem halfway between the front and the side, then halfway between the front and the front-side, and so on, using your preliminary marks on the curve to help. This is the method I use 95% of the time, but then I have a very vocal inner Adrian Monk. If you plan on having a train, figure out your desired length at the front, the sides, and the back. Write this down somewhere. Using that information, figure out the length of several landmarks in between the front and the back. For example, let's say I want a train of 16" in the back, with 8" on each side to give it a smooth curve. My length from the mark to the front is 36"; my length from the mark to halfway between the front and the side is 40"; my length from the mark to the side is 44"; my length from the mark to halfway between the side and the back is 48"; my length from the mark to the back is 50". If I need more than just those measurements to figure out the curve of the hem, I can measure halfway in between the front and the front-side, and add in a length of 38" (halfway between my front length of 36" and my front-side length of 40"), and so on all the way around the hem. (Note--with trains, I personally prefer to wait until I'm a bit closer to the sides before adding in any extra length, because if I'm planning on a long train, the front hem of my garment could easily wind up with a frowny-face sort of curve. I generally keep the front at a constant length until I'm at the front-side portion, then I start gradually adding in the length.) Though I do occasionally hem otherwise finished dresses this way, most of the time I actually wind up marking the hem-length on my fitting muslin once I'm happy with the fit. Since my fitting muslin is generally upper-thigh length, this tends to work out beautifully. By figuring out my hem before I cut out my fabric, I can use a thriftier & more efficient fabric layout, which is way more of a priority for me than it probably should be. Also, if I'm only marking the fitting muslin, I can use a Sharpie marker for the marking, which is a lot easier than trying to get the chalk to make enough of an impression. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 3 23:26:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m144Q9ca009637 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 23:26:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m144PPDb016478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 23:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m144OsPZ012045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:24:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m144Ool2069904; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m144OkJQ069870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:24:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m144OjYc024549; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:24:45 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "3mountains" <3mountains@yahoogroups.com>, "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:34:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Happy Dance for Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 497c256c-f3c1-4376-aab0-5f39780676ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A693B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, it's been a good week. Saturday stopped at the organic only fabric store on 104th and Sandy for some cotton voile embroidered in a wandering pattern (I have plans for reverse couching.) Then on to the Pendleton store in Washougal for 6.5 yards of Oxblood color gabardine at $3.95 a yard. Today the Good Will on 122nd avenue yielded a complete bolt of Navy Blue Linen (imported original 100% says the old bolt it's on) for $14.99 for the whole thing. Considering the amount of flannel and double-knits I'd say that someone who had been working towards "she who has the most fabric..." is giving up. Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey "Live your life so your children can tell their children That you not only stood for something wonderful, But that you acted upon it". Dan Zadra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 4 05:11:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14AB2Ha021667 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 05:11:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m14AAEhH015733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 05:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m14A9k64044835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14A9fbP094110; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14A9arf093950 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bfd.2718d1b8 (30738) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 05:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 05:09:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Dance for Linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 013c4147-1cbf-4a3d-8559-4b9c2f4ff724 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A6E486.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:10:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/3/2008 11:25:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, wandap@hevanet.com writes: Considering the amount of flannel and double-knits I'd say that someone who had been working towards "she who has the most fabric..." is giving up. Double knits? Sounds more likely to me that "she" has gone on to her reward and her family has been cleaning out. Ann Wass **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 4 08:24:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14DOFwK010746 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:24:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m14DNUQG001351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m14DHvTL071469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14DHqMa037947; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m14DHmHU037806 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 37475 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2008 13:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.165.75 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2008 13:17:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jDtSqBEVM1lXWKXjMRkD693NqakHa5tW6g07bPNiw1oHAHm3yf7bN94y2XEhu62sJokSp5P_os2n7yzpPBZwBWwaUpVXFYrrx9M5L.UBVTdkhBIcG.PU X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000e01c86730$58e653c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Dance for Linen Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdee964a-e8a3-4ec7-9619-471c8c1e110e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A711D2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:23:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, my 'evil' site/source of the week was pushing the e-Bay buttons for embroidered/beaded lace! I have garnered some beautiful borders from antique or vintage saris. And one of the connected stores has saris of the same description. Yardages of both are upwards or over 6-7. Starting prices are about $9. And the delivery from Bombay has been quite fast. Sigh. Queen Maude is getting some of it but I must put my mind to other uses too! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "3mountains" <3mountains@yahoogroups.com>; "H-Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Happy Dance for Linen > Well, it's been a good week. Saturday stopped at the organic only fabric > store on 104th and Sandy for some cotton voile embroidered in a wandering > pattern (I have plans for reverse couching.) Then on to the Pendleton > store > in Washougal for 6.5 yards of Oxblood color gabardine at $3.95 a yard. > > Today the Good Will on 122nd avenue yielded a complete bolt of Navy Blue > Linen (imported original 100% says the old bolt it's on) for $14.99 for > the > whole thing. > > Considering the amount of flannel and double-knits I'd say that someone > who > had been working towards "she who has the most fabric..." is giving up. > > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > "Live your life so your children can tell their children > That you not only stood for something wonderful, > But that you acted upon it". Dan Zadra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 4 14:27:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14JRDFp020742 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:27:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m14JQSl2006419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:26:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m14JOxNB029849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:25:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14JOhdQ030294; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m14JO7bf029503 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so384648nfd.41 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=AV+isFfiqD4cFyVxghpCNOKvE1FSVR4NWhx2kwZu2E8=; b=iJF3NCqbitMeMIABEfDwoE+qrh+xAgxlRpOY7rFs1PQOZ8PHVcZlWG15Pdj19TZl1Wkngw+wzuZ+Z2qEXApdBELhtvyfP7d+c3KLHlfz5sB3HZypTy8gFHrmGIp+MUbGl5eg3p2p0mLAapbjzJYdDyAf/nQuCsYC+aOKb2Cr52Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DRizuzfDUaKY3xrH9KESHmNXLA9034vXp1I35F5MDtU7vsyQuUnpJfa/l/gPtOvxBuFkL1BzOjfcDsv2vtDLdG7fVwvEzhZf2qR0j8IpuZ3sLJRlAGNfWpkz3gw+O593fkWuvew19RkJ+r+0eru1EonwxdSPJNtwttEanvluQpA= Received: by 10.78.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr12935992huf.24.1202153080434; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.20.14 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190802041124s6d9ddfd7hc208d53b8b0ab467@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:24:40 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b1fd92a-035d-493b-836f-070fdfbdbbe2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A766E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:26:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not sure whether you mean my question or Suzanne's, but I have no problem with your forwarding my original question. Allison T. On Feb 4, 2008 2:00 PM, wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:08:34 -0500 > From: Susan Data-Samtak > Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > May I pass this question along to a a sidesaddle group on Yahoo? > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 4 19:59:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m150xOcr000638 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:59:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m150wdMi027366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m150wCvT073432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m150w8U6098435; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m150w3cg098343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-251.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m150w1NU032045 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:58:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200802041901.m14J1Arf004394@net.indra.com> References: <200802041901.m14J1Arf004394@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <6BB0F90E-E12D-4FDC-9094-066B73949A9A@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:57:59 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5689/Mon Feb 4 17:21:50 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7d6da0c-f3de-4b7a-a342-8f62b65512c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A7B4BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:58:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Erm, why not? But now that I've found the reference that eluded me yesterday, it may not matter. I was thinking of "safeguard" and according to Arnold it was "an outer skirt or petticoat worn by women to protect their dress when riding." (in 'Lost from Her Majesties Back' , p. 89) So, an accessory for riding--but for the lady, not the horse. ;-) My apologies! Suzanne On Feb 4, 2008, at 1:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Susan Data-Samtak > Date: February 3, 2008 5:08:34 PM CST > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > May I pass this question along to a a sidesaddle group on Yahoo? > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > On Feb 3, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: > >> Could it be the rug that goes under a sidesaddle to protect the >> gown from dirt? I believe they were sometimes made to match the >> gown. I'm blanking on the actual term used for it, but I know >> I've seen it somewhere.... Perhaps someone else on the list will >> know! >> >> Suzanne >> >> On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >> >>> From: "A. Thurman" >>> Date: February 2, 2008 8:33:01 PM CST >>> >>> I'm reading "Dress in the Court of Henry VIII" and found a strange >>> reference to slops for women on page 64. >>> >>> It's a description of the fabric given to some of Henry VII's female >>> relatives to make mourning clothes for his funeral (in 1509). The >>> author writes that Margaret Beaufort, Catherine of Aragon and >>> Princess >>> Mary each "received 16 yards of cloth to make a mantle, surcote, >>> kirtle, SLOPS (my emphasis) and hood". >>> >>> I've heard of slops for men during this period, but not for women. >>> What is the author describing? Any ideas or suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Allison T. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 4 21:52:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m152qPxH005007 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:52:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m152pfHL018108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:51:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m152pJm9086805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m152pGqc003007; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m152pBhc002852 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d44.200d0670 (37109) for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB087-90f547a7cf173a3; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:51:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6BB0F90E-E12D-4FDC-9094-066B73949A9A@cybermesa.com> References: <200802041901.m14J1Arf004394@net.indra.com> <6BB0F90E-E12D-4FDC-9094-066B73949A9A@cybermesa.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:51:02 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b5b3079-78d4-4db2-9aeb-19217eafbdcf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A7CF3D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:51:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Let me run it by the Sidesaddle Riders Groups and see what they say. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 4, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Suzanne wrote: > Erm, why not? But now that I've found the reference that eluded me=20 > yesterday, it may not matter. I was thinking of "safeguard" and=20 > according to Arnold it was "an outer skirt or petticoat worn by women=20 > to protect their dress when riding." (in 'Lost from Her Majesties=20 > Back' , p. 89) > > So, an accessory for riding--but for the lady, not the horse. ;-) > My apologies! > Suzanne > > On Feb 4, 2008, at 1:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >> From: Susan Data-Samtak >> Date: February 3, 2008 5:08:34 PM CST >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> >> >> May I pass this question along to a a sidesaddle group on Yahoo? >> >> Susan >> >> "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >> too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark >> Trail" by Louis L'Amour >> >> On Feb 3, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Suzanne wrote: >> >>> Could it be the rug that goes under a sidesaddle to protect the gown=20 >>> from dirt? I believe they were sometimes made to match the gown. =20 >>> I'm blanking on the actual term used for it, but I know I've seen it=20 >>> somewhere.... Perhaps someone else on the list will know! >>> >>> Suzanne >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >>> >>>> From: "A. Thurman" >>>> Date: February 2, 2008 8:33:01 PM CST >>>> >>>> I'm reading "Dress in the Court of Henry VIII" and found a strange >>>> reference to slops for women on page 64. >>>> >>>> It's a description of the fabric given to some of Henry VII's female >>>> relatives to make mourning clothes for his funeral (in 1509). The >>>> author writes that Margaret Beaufort, Catherine of Aragon and=20 >>>> Princess >>>> Mary each "received 16 yards of cloth to make a mantle, surcote, >>>> kirtle, SLOPS (my emphasis) and hood". >>>> >>>> I've heard of slops for men during this period, but not for women. >>>> What is the author describing? Any ideas or suggestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Allison T. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:06:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15J6DNF028580 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15J5N12031009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:05:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15J4o2s007090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15J4Gqn086524; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15J46m8086152 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (asmtp003-s [10.150.69.66]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout009/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m15J3h0b022679 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from UWPC4BY5831 (dhcp073202.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp003/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m15J3eDr023157 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:03:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:03:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e3cc5ed-24ca-40e8-af08-d17e8e612b2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A8B373.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. begin quote: "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully dressed." :end quote I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as they are just theories. Thanks, Agnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:15:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JFq2M028844 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:15:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JEx3A006108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:15:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JEeif008948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JEaqL099002; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JEXEo098796 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so547939nfd.41 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:14:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=B5gygTRSIeBcetFxk+mO0mCnVVTn4WkhCfC+U8HEwvM=; b=RCF/qImQbYW7sAeEAxiQ9F4vt21XGrZ+2JCC909gPJnmBjD/AxC+zUnHjjCP6UMCLbsxuLyTxMwM6BkYQzUPnLg8kT5HBSWwZUWsGkZQs50Iwu8UbkNcXzxULHiLNVF7Z5GDnbx4ZWS1lhlCjLhpfrDpsM5OMintHZFUIipIPGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rgf/EPIsGG3mCAC1S+GPVEkxbSr6QeDjttkpHpLU2QIwVNtOxHq9dIIUqzxmlHeUzbGVxSf3D8c1rfI/8E+JjLjL2hIM1Gm7eeGpJi+ulijBfqb2ERQTS7Og6jv/wj/zVe3e9j5I1r1INLReoHZE6Cop8Gtk8FZaDffz8WWx6cU= Received: by 10.78.146.11 with SMTP id t11mr15612908hud.2.1202238864245; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.20.14 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:14:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190802051114h5e3bb505rfe12626d38cfb505@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:14:24 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: slops for women X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24a962d4-cb8d-47d1-b58b-9453efa9d711 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A8B5B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:15:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'll have to check the glossary when I get back home - thanks! I'm also intrigued by the possibility that slops = some kind of saddle cloth. Hmm.. Allison T. On Feb 3, 2008 2:00 PM, wrote: > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:48:04 -0800 (PST) > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <237805.18544.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Greetings Allison, > > I glossed right over that list, so thank you for > bringing it to my attention. > > Two thoughts I have on slops. One is that further down > the same paragraph they note that both Catherine and > Mary are riding horses, since they get special > pillions saddles. Perhaps the slops were for when they > are riding their horses? > > The other item is in the back of the book, Glossary, > pg 435 > SLOP loose breeches or hose with wide legs; a cloak or > nightgown. > > I think in the situation given, perhaps this time the > slops refer to a type of cloak? Not really positive, > and perhaps more info will come around further into > the book when they discuss women's clothing. > > And while I read the women's section a bit, I jumped > around. Right now I am deep into Henry VIII's clothing > section, after having finished the black garments of > his father. Man Henry VII and his family wore a lot of > black garments! > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:17:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JHFZA028869 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:17:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JGTLN024044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:16:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JGC6N009138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JGARK001184; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:16:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JG5MM000948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-87-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.87.114] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JMTGx-0004zA-71 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:15:59 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080205191356.036aaf20@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:15:52 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question In-Reply-To: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7fc4d9d-5939-4e42-9e71-8a59bb4da44b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A8B60E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:16:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:03 05/02/2008, you wrote: >My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically >regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why >an 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > >Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John >Hay. He was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the >Lincoln administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic >attache during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball >in DC in February 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > >begin quote: >"February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who >danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a >la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a >roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with >whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and >Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the >blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was >alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. >Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully >dressed." >:end quote > >I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers >as they are just theories. The Empress Eugenie was painted in 18th century dress by Franz Xavier Winterhalter, in the 1850's. It's a lot later, but could it be this kind of clothing do you think? The 18th century was very popular at that time. http://tinyurl.com/34tyx6 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:22:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JMXQE029382 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:22:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JLgwd008479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JLTvS010047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JLO0N008000; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JJgki005730 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:19:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Thread-Index: AchoKiV4GuSPng5RStmFJVFU0Jl29wAAQ9bw From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42fef26e-6ffe-4ce7-8e8f-34a458e4d489 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A8B747.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:21:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It sounds to me like they were doing a historically-themed event... Possibly the "marquise" style references the Marquise de Pompadour? Though the neck ribbon (if just a simple ribbon)is definitely from the 1790s... Not that blending times in reenactments never happens! ; ) Astrida > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Agnes Gawne > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:04 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question >=20 > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically > regarding > a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an 1867 woman > would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? >=20 > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He > was > Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln administration > and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during the Johnson > administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February 1867 when he'd > just returned from Paris. >=20 > begin quote: > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > dressed." > :end quote >=20 > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as > they > are just theories. >=20 > Thanks, > Agnes >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:28:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JSjoA029631 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:28:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JRtag032006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JRcmQ011865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JRZ8T016816; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JRR2B016625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.127] (dial-209-148-98-127.sonic.net [209.148.98.127] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m15JROSi013609 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:27:25 -0800 Message-ID: <47A8B89B.4060700@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:27:23 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> In-Reply-To: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35e51028-c057-478d-8c93-26e17a17d9f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A8B8BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:28:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I suspect it was a costume ball, either in 18th-century dress or with this "set" in 18th-century dress. Note that 1867 is almost, though not quite, a centennial year of the Declaration of Independence. For fancy costume balls, it was not uncommon for a group of people to get together to dress in one historic theme, work up a dance that they felt was evocative of that era (though Victorian "18th-century" dances for such occasions were usually faux recreations, even at times when old people who had actually done 18th-century dances were still around), and dance it together at the ball. In this case, for a near-centennial in the capital, possibly one set did a commemorative dance. Or a number of people, while not actually in historic dress, did something such as wearing hair powder to honor the theme. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Agnes Gawne wrote: > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He > was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache > during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in > February 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > > begin quote: > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > dressed." > :end quote > > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as > they are just theories. > > Thanks, > Agnes > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:31:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JVXej029717 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:31:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JUmTq014376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:30:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JPGg8010578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JPCTm013078; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu139-omc3-s18.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s18.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JP7vk012904 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BLU136-W40 ([65.55.162.189]) by blu139-omc3-s18.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:25:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.59.220.167] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:25:02 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2008 19:25:02.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE1CE8F0:01C8682C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4a48960-aa1e-46d2-b610-de220f7cbb8e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A8B968.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:30:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My first guess is a "fancy-dress" (costume) or themed ball.=20 LuAnn > From: gawne@mac.com > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:03:35 -0800 > Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question >=20 > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically regard= ing=20 > a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an 1867 woman=20 > would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? >=20 > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He = was=20 > Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln administration= =20 > and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during the Johnson=20 > administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February 1867 when he'd= =20 > just returned from Paris. >=20 > begin quote: > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > dressed." > :end quote >=20 > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as t= hey=20 > are just theories. >=20 > Thanks, > Agnes=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:42:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JgTi2030088 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:42:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JfiwR032183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JfMUZ013780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JfHUt034658; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15Jf9nT034394 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so413365ugd.17 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:41:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=SetvH3umgrNaEwBlu4ywh4jPUP966NAxHcc7HJLHZjQ=; b=NQdNnndyrCjP2ljWanRol1g5DZkuoZbbom8TxGDhyKJNYe07UgxKdbt76WwwZuAlkGNIN/vFr0JqFZxfqicaPD8WskrUscV4Ne0GECJovT9/eYKsIdk4gudvQqfyMdTlAFKzVxeJ/adtQh6M5kym50yAeKPGIEjn+8GVCKL8ybg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fdmXJQ7meh6FqbgVk7rDvY0lzu6/L8m6UKtMPZj/4z1JxEhCiKq2C6F4LfVDN81RU0PNqWUDaPRew6GUgXGDblJVeDyrZ++QN9IFvrkzBWp1zRlFKu1ZH1gxWvw/EbJmGvm1Kuw5LrELUygLXAFwt08+hA0hNMqWnvTm1Ai9Th4= Received: by 10.78.183.8 with SMTP id g8mr15605114huf.55.1202240462796; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:41:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0802051141l37bde87asdf36996308a9f0ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:41:02 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers In-Reply-To: <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28970dc2-ca91-4edd-80e1-494bf626a432 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A8BBF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:41:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Check Hedgehog Handworks in the L.A. area. I don't know if she has it, but she's certainly got a lot of wonderful lines of threads. LynnD On 2/1/08, margaret wrote: > > Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk > Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone > now > and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. > Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 14:49:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15Jn1On030277 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:49:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15JmAXq010140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:48:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15JlIgS014716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15JlDlY042738; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15Jl7Ud042543 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:47:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 142769852-1872270 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:46:58 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:48:56 -0600 Message-ID: <01c201c86830$2528f820$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchoLAYVBjXMtpvvQDiTmo9KhkYRpgABBTGQ In-Reply-To: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 55, in=82, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8894437d-1dbf-4642-a095-ce35fcb527f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A8BD7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:48:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds like a costume ball, sometimes called fancy dress ball. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Agnes Gawne Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:04 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. begin quote: "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully dressed." :end quote I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as they are just theories. Thanks, Agnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 17:10:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15MAf0b002110 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:10:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15M9uVj018403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:10:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15M4WS2034584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15M4NZL016301; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tuttle.kansas.net (tuttle.kansas.net [199.240.130.11]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15LxjQO011172 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from newton2@kansas.net) Received: from yourxhtr8hvc4p (dynamic.70-169-172-118.du.jc.ks.wildflower.net [70.169.172.118] (may be forged)) by tuttle.kansas.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m15LxXUd002092 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:59:41 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> From: "Janet Newton" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:59:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 08822eb2-13d4-4ac5-a590-e200c659b8d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A8DEB4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:10:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at least the mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According to the old style calendar in use back then, however, he was born on February 11. At least in 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday on the 22nd while others marked the occasion on the 11th instead. By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root in the American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its traditions included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and receptions given by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in taverns throughout the land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another revered president and fellow February baby (born on the 12th of the month). The first formal observance of his birthday took place in 1865, the year after his assassination, when both houses of Congress gathered for a memorial address. While Lincoln's Birthday did not become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it did become a legal holiday in several states. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agnes Gawne" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He > was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during > the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > > begin quote: > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > dressed." > :end quote > > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as > they are just theories. > > Thanks, > Agnes > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 18:48:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15Nmr7f004804 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:48:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15Nm60o018110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:48:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15NlYKm050308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15NlUiW032083; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15NlPOP031951 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W12 ([65.55.138.47]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:47:19 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:47:19 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2008 23:47:19.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[723E8A00:01C86851] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1d0172f-39c5-4da2-b948-6c543d3ede70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A8F5B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just dropped my Rowenta on my hard tile floor for the fifth or sixth time= , and it finally started to leak. Whaaaaa! I just looked at Consumer Reports - their last iron review was in 2006. (I= wrote them and asked them to do another soon.) I also contacted Threads magazine since most of their recent reviews are on= more expensive "ironing systems." But I'm interested in your personal experiences. What do you like best? Ar= e you aware of reviews in other publications? I've had great luck with my Rowenta(s), but am also aware that their servic= e records in years past hasn't been great. Don't forget Model numbers - sometimes they just aren't available anymore! Thanks Sg P.S. If you have an ironing system you use and like, please give your opino= n. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 18:56:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15Nusdg004976 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:56:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m15Nu6fP007878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:56:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m15NtoFa051167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15NtnWd040284; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:55:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m15NtkrP040184 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W45 ([65.55.138.80]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:55:41 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: slops for women Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:55:41 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190802051114h5e3bb505rfe12626d38cfb505@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d21ac190802051114h5e3bb505rfe12626d38cfb505@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2008 23:55:41.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D0B2760:01C86852] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c180c72-5f93-40f4-991b-d9a8c37b38ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A8F796.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:56:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anyone have access to the OED? I don't anymore, but it is always fun to lo= ok there for some clues. Sg > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:14:24 -0500 > From: athurman@gmail.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > CC:=20 > Subject: [h-cost] Re: slops for women >=20 > I'll have to check the glossary when I get back home - thanks! >=20 > I'm also intrigued by the possibility that slops =3D some kind of saddle > cloth. Hmm.. >=20 > Allison T. >=20 > On Feb 3, 2008 2:00 PM, wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:48:04 -0800 (PST) > > From: Kimiko Small > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: <237805.18544.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 > > > > Greetings Allison, > > > > I glossed right over that list, so thank you for > > bringing it to my attention. > > > > Two thoughts I have on slops. One is that further down > > the same paragraph they note that both Catherine and > > Mary are riding horses, since they get special > > pillions saddles. Perhaps the slops were for when they > > are riding their horses? > > > > The other item is in the back of the book, Glossary, > > pg 435 > > SLOP loose breeches or hose with wide legs; a cloak or > > nightgown. > > > > I think in the situation given, perhaps this time the > > slops refer to a type of cloak? Not really positive, > > and perhaps more info will come around further into > > the book when they discuss women's clothing. > > > > And while I read the women's section a bit, I jumped > > around. Right now I am deep into Henry VIII's clothing > > section, after having finished the black garments of > > his father. Man Henry VII and his family wore a lot of > > black garments! > > > > Kimiko > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 19:11:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160BLiw005350 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:11:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160AaPR027912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m160A7bv052961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160A5jV053752; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from canyonero.dot.net.au (canyonero.dot.net.au [202.147.68.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1609vIZ053599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:10:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@grapevine.com.au) Received: from ppp-38-171.grapevine.net.au ([203.129.38.171]:4157 helo=user4712b7d135) by canyonero.dot.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JMXrK-0005gu-0r for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:09:50 +1100 Message-ID: <006f01c86854$95fc9880$9778fea9@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190802051114h5e3bb505rfe12626d38cfb505@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: slops for women Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:30 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c50c537-b461-4e07-93a8-ebb23b50fc9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A8FAFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:10:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: slops for women >Anyone have access to the OED? I don't anymore, but it is always fun to >look there for some clues. >Sg good idea, I did just that I've copied the relevant definition below which specifically mentions it's use for women's mourning in the 16th century. Elizabeth 2. a. An outer garment, as a loose jacket, tunic, cassock, mantle, gown, or smock-frock. For modern examples cf. the Eng. Dial. Dict. s.v. Slop n.21. c1386 CHAUCER Pars. T. 422 The..scantnesse of clothyng as been thise kutted sloppes or haynselyns. c1440 York Myst. xxxi. 77 Se at my sloppe be wele sittande. c1440 Promp. Parv. 460/1 Sloppe, garment, mutatorium. c1489 CAXTON Sonnes of Aymon xxi. 466 Gyve me a newe sloppe and a large hode. 1523 LD. BERNERS Froiss. I. clxxvi. 213 He armed hymselfe with secrete armour, and dyd on a sloppe aboue, and a cloke aboue that. a1548 HALL Chron., Hen. VIII, 55b, The mantels had great capes like to the Portingal slopys. a1618 SYLVESTER Hymn of Alms 195 Wks. (Grosart) II. 210 To see some painted face, Or Fire~new Fashion in a Sleeve or slop. a1668 DAVENANT News fr. Plymouth IV. i, I will embrace thy long loose slopp and kiss Thy drivell'd Beard. 1825 KNAPP & BALDWIN Newgate Cal. III. 448/2 A slop or shirt over it. 1841 BORROW Zincali I. i, He was dressed in a coarse waggoner's slop. 1881 YOUNG Ev. Man his own Mechanic 12 The clothes of the amateur..should be protected at least by a loose 'slop' or jacket of canvas. b. spec. (See quot.) Obs.1 15.. Bk. of Precedence in Q. Eliz. Acad. 28 A slope is a morning Cassock for Ladyes and gentile wemen, not open before. c. (See quot.) Obs.0 1688 HOLME Armoury II. 395/2 A Womans face proper, with a Slop on her head..; the attire..makes me judge it to be rather some kind of Slop or Maunch for the head... Some term this a French Hood pendant. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 19:23:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160NUQQ005670 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:23:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160MiH5019687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m160MUxa054587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160MTY8064835; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160MQqo064680 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.196]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160MJto009358 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:22:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:22:19 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63f90706-533b-49ef-98db-22b04dfa127b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A8FDD5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:22:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 5, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I just dropped my Rowenta on my hard tile floor for the fifth or > sixth time, and it finally started to leak. Whaaaaa! > > I just looked at Consumer Reports - their last iron review was in > 2006. (I wrote them and asked them to do another soon.) > I also contacted Threads magazine since most of their recent reviews > are on more expensive "ironing systems." I've got the Rowenta SuperPress 055 (external boiler) but it's a few years old. That said, I can heartily recommend an iron with an external boiler. No spitting, no lime, no staining ***ever*** because the water is below the iron and it's just steam being piped to it. Also, you can steam with a cold sole-plate. Costco Online has the EuroPro Shark external tank iron for $99 usually; I haven't tried it, but if it works that's an excellent price. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 19:25:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160PZeS005758 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:25:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160OohO021011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m160OUjT054781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:24:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160OTiE066476; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160OQom066375 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so2139259mue.2 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:24:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DSwPUIumfdKLFJOn83lQ6qql/Istt5kHYqecJlQ6GGA=; b=wmXmHDJ5Nlw0TuhJXUPUdNSCoHC3DSt57jbTrRhAG42lQmZEkxs5gkL5oOv0MQk4KMx5H7V322blSUkzIlJ9GX0hxBWPqSHpjtVF2mFIMH9idDnZH18f4JDKCIjKukn1hg2VXnh05BQosRpOpVKBQHF/wYFrGgZISCZ69GQ4qhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PdL+p1bmOG3M7R/m12MxMG5r6MKT8zNQqMNIXPrQ0tpXKFTqFA++5Lvwf10QRgfQKTPtjDQ2+IS4YeooPfB92Gf1hacitwLS3LGt0kAi9s0oogMiEkKakza2n2wQ/8nXf4jcXLIom/n1RvTNQ0OsYbh+w9O0JIHUilHFfZfJ/3Q= Received: by 10.78.177.3 with SMTP id z3mr16180504hue.51.1202257460002; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:24:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0802051624h45752b12g80807a120282d862@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:24:19 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e8026db-f96c-4f89-96df-0bd1e7a5fa58 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A8FE52.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:24:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace, Thanks for sending out this request. I'm hoping to purchase a new iron soon too, and have looked at the Rowenta line. My old Black & Decker from over 15 years ago needs to be gently put to rest soon. I'm not committed to Rowenta yet, remembering some of the recent comments. So, what do you all say? Help Saragrace and me decide. To help a bit, I don't iron much but press while sewing, weight isn't a problem for me, I like to have steam and optional spray. If I was able to get one without the automatic shut-off, I'd be happy but I don't know if anyone is making those anymore... LynnD On 2/5/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > I just dropped my Rowenta on my hard tile floor for the fifth or sixth > time, and it finally started to leak. Whaaaaa! > > I just looked at Consumer Reports - their last iron review was in > 2006. (I wrote them and asked them to do another soon.) > I also contacted Threads magazine since most of their recent reviews are > on more expensive "ironing systems." > > But I'm interested in your personal experiences. What do you like best? > Are you aware of reviews in other publications? > I've had great luck with my Rowenta(s), but am also aware that their > service records in years past hasn't been great. > > Don't forget Model numbers - sometimes they just aren't available anymore! > > Thanks > > Sg > > P.S. If you have an ironing system you use and like, please give your > opinon. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 19:33:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160XCt8005909 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160WPrX024151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:32:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m160W9hB056091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160W6wY073816; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160W2qg073653 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.196]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160Vsto010304 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:31:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0543C715-4919-42A4-8D36-E614ACC3381C@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0802051624h45752b12g80807a120282d862@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:31:54 -0800 References: <8296995c0802051624h45752b12g80807a120282d862@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3200ed5a-097d-4e42-934c-5ace4712bd36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A9001A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:32:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: > To help a bit, I don't iron much but press while sewing, weight > isn't a > problem for me, I like to have steam and optional spray. If I was > able to > get one without the automatic shut-off, I'd be happy but I don't > know if > anyone is making those anymore... The external-boiler models generally don't have auto shut-off. Mine doesn't. I don't want spray in my iron, just steam. I got a Polder Ironing Station (board) and it's got a shelf for a little trigger-spray bottle. Easy to refill and one less thing on the iron that could break or leak. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 19:55:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160ta1Y006755 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:55:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160spiQ020514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m160sA3V059972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160s8lI092959; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m160rsWt092750 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58208 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 00:53:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TgDW5hG6Tn1YGJDaeGXZITIUqIDIuvsifIi2qR9m3cVMOEU4jcsLutqrP5GDe6jsPcBj0MnWl/3qJpJJVUP/1dsliTYTbJB4GdYKB8adNwXkyvnGros5u4+7a0SDY/qQ0InpWNat994AtYFoqBx4C8zojgTeCzatzvQQg2PR4cA=; X-YMail-OSG: 5owllEMVM1k.b2sciuOIoz29ThVJJpDukZVa6SeCsQcAnedPJ7X_VOimpNLIgfnBrLibfFjcxQrp5rkYAfYhAgr0OhduPGwZoNCUhrSmNeHcAAJosIw0BvU6U1LFpg-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:53:49 PST Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:53:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <157749.54912.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad42f97e-b807-4d84-b7f3-d42227bb43c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A9055B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:54:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am like Andy, I love my steam tank system. I have a Rowenta DG-980, with the removable tank. It cost a little more, and I am not sure if the removable tank is worth the extra cost, but I love it anyway. I keep it on the entire time I am sewing, and it doesn't shut itself off. Steam is great, and I can press with a cooler plate if I want (tho' it might sputter a bit, so I give it a short upright steaming burst to clear the vents a bit, right before I actually press). I have found I like the control better, it is lighter in my hand since I am not lugging water around, too. It does not spray water, but that's fine as I have been using a water bottle, too. And the steaming action can last an hour or more before refilling, for those yards and yards of linen. And since I keep it on a rolling table, I can move it around if I need to, without much worry about the tank falling and going boom. I just have to remember to unplug or my little ones turn it on and leave it on, which really isn't too bad those couple of times that has happened. I would definitely buy another one when this one eventually dies. Kimiko --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > P.S. If you have an ironing system you use and like, > please give your opinon. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:00:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1610e88006956 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:00:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m160xqvn004284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:59:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m160xdIx060967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160xcme097557; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m160xZRg097452 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:59:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W26 ([65.55.138.61]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:59:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:59:29 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8296995c0802051624h45752b12g80807a120282d862@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296995c0802051624h45752b12g80807a120282d862@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2008 00:59:30.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[87719660:01C8685B] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f33d99c1-9403-4362-b350-2bf6a0801f71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A90689.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:59:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh yesssss - I definately do not iron! I press too! I don't care about sp= ray, cause I just use a bottle for that....and I REALLY don't like auto-shu= t off. I use a timer and set it for the anticipated time - sometimes 8 hou= rs - I intend to sew. Also, I like a steel plate - not teflon. I use these: http://www.amazon.com/jobar-international-inc-jb9825-Shield/d= p/B000M0N3U2=20 They are hard to find, but I see there are other makers coming out with the= m. If you buy one, be sure you get one with plenty of holes.....also, and= extra spring helps to hold it on better. Sg > To help a bit, I don't iron much but press while sewing, weight isn't a > problem for me, I like to have steam and optional spray. If I was able to > get one without the automatic shut-off, I'd be happy but I don't know if > anyone is making those anymore... >=20 > LynnD >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1611k6v006981 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:01:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1610t2s026600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1610aJJ061151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:00:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1610Zxu098520; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1610Vcs098382 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:00:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.196]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1610Pto016695 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:00:25 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 892e52d1-a377-4004-835e-df266977e1be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A906C7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:01:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > Costco Online has the EuroPro Shark external tank iron for $99 > usually; I haven't tried it, but if it works that's an excellent > price. Someone just pointed out that the Shark isn't on Costco online anymore, and they're right. I haven't looked in a few months. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:48:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m161mdLw008043 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m161lrqQ032419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:47:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m161laxF071381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m161lYcn041139; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m161lU5L041008 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 142820189-1872270 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:47:25 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:49:22 -0600 Message-ID: <01de01c86862$7f6b20b0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchoUwZ1TDLS6JoyQu+VSmViQXbnGgADppcg In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 55, in=83, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] iron X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9d5296b-10fd-4cec-abcf-d84028523342 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A911C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:47:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have one very much like this: Euro-Pro EP8001 Steam Generator Iron, see http://www.amazon.com/Euro-Pro-EP8001-Steam-Generator-Iron/dp/B00006RVIJ I don't think the brand makes much difference, as long as you get the external tank. I've used many irons over the years, and nothing works as well as having the tank full of steam at the touch of a button. However, I do have a Eruo Pro ironing table, with suction. I think this makes a lot of difference, too. Even for cotton or linen, I don't need very high heat. The steam and the suction work together to get all the wrinkles out. They don't make that one anymore, but there are other brands, such as Hi Steam PND 1000AC, 700W Vacuum Suction Commercial Ironing Board , see http://www.allbrands.com/products/abp02315-0794.html Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:47 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT I just dropped my Rowenta on my hard tile floor for the fifth or sixth time, and it finally started to leak. Whaaaaa! I just looked at Consumer Reports - their last iron review was in 2006. (I wrote them and asked them to do another soon.) I also contacted Threads magazine since most of their recent reviews are on more expensive "ironing systems." But I'm interested in your personal experiences. What do you like best? Are you aware of reviews in other publications? I've had great luck with my Rowenta(s), but am also aware that their service records in years past hasn't been great. Don't forget Model numbers - sometimes they just aren't available anymore! Thanks Sg P.S. If you have an ironing system you use and like, please give your opinon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:37:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m162bcaN009464 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:37:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m162arg1030720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m162aTia080609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:36:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m162aR7u083031; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m162aNfH082985 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACBBAA3052E; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:34:35 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:36:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c86869$0414b5a0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchoKgC3xyp1ZYNdT/CHn63qnf12TAAPtSnQ In-Reply-To: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6be4e194-c4bf-4645-a872-347a79acd428 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A91D45.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:36:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds like a masquerade all to me. I just went to a costume ball wedding and the bride wore 17th century costume, with powdered hair. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Agnes Gawne Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:04 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. begin quote: "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully dressed." :end quote I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as they are just theories. Thanks, Agnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:49:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m162ncs0009923 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:49:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m162mrwe002889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:48:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m162mYUA082369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m162mXke092733; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m162mTnZ092646 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF941478041E; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:46:44 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:48:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c8686a$b70e9f30$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchoUV9EoyOX6ac7T/mNOy7Bc5ZbHQAGOU5w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 408b6f3d-2549-43c9-b982-02630124a26e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A92015.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:48:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just got a new iron, a Westinghouse, cost $20 at Target. What I like about it is that it changes color depending on the temperature. This is a really good feature, as my old iron melted some taffeta (thankfully only the seam allowance). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:47 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT I just dropped my Rowenta on my hard tile floor for the fifth or sixth time, and it finally started to leak. Whaaaaa! I just looked at Consumer Reports - their last iron review was in 2006. (I wrote them and asked them to do another soon.) I also contacted Threads magazine since most of their recent reviews are on more expensive "ironing systems." But I'm interested in your personal experiences. What do you like best? Are you aware of reviews in other publications? I've had great luck with my Rowenta(s), but am also aware that their service records in years past hasn't been great. Don't forget Model numbers - sometimes they just aren't available anymore! Thanks Sg P.S. If you have an ironing system you use and like, please give your opinon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 04:07:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16979EL013739 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 04:07:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1696Oim028624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 04:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1695um3012076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:05:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1695pni041992; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1695kEt041932 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.62943683; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:05:34 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m1695T404661.; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:05:34 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:05:29 +0000 Message-Id: <47A9784402000014000E20ED@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:05:08 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question References: <200802060010.m160A6fA053753@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802060010.m160A6fA053753@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f71c523-ce8d-4dbf-a970-ec105cd54a00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A97890.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:06:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My first thought also was that it must have been an 18th-century themed = ball, especially as the Cotillion was a dance of that period. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 08:46:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16DkRIc015347 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:46:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16DjeIs012996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:45:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16Disbf044524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Dio6P073422; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Dimxd073394 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3039531pyc.4 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:44:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=huODYmn2W30YH1hYPhDa5roJS9rgVGbiYgzMy/n6pyM=; b=qyYCt9nzvKvSu4nXtN32OoUIp0NIGbZVpERoTDHdQandYfB+8pPN1VJPupvv4bYexebRlsIpa37H9C/sp48WR8A71cj8yV3YYRGuSxW5NQerW60v/TPWDIUuVy8HTF5J63jBDDVJ5pT97WeK1z1W1C8G/6ZAItORfr5XxXb7GrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LoYaBHemtwTI6WS5nTwSDsas+cYUhuhtpQDzDm9czyNnPXxQeZ8jSQBtswl6KG4NINiJ7URN24cz8dgC8xcC3nc8FYrnQ3UbMiZ7SJzMh8a8qzx6tQAM71ARQl+4K18ulyo1GfGnIM60sQWZ7CdVaqwKskT5XNVqQDiKl2l/4hw= Received: by 10.64.203.4 with SMTP id a4mr11496711qbg.6.1202305487889; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.75.15 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 05:44:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:44:47 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question In-Reply-To: <002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> <002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df704fe2-3c41-42c1-82fc-c91db7755be5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A9BA05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:45:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Years ago I came across a costume in an antique store, a pitiful little cheap cotton dress, looking like 1920s or 1930s cloth and basic design, done in pseudo-18th century style. The makers label said it was a George Washington bicentennial dress. I have since regretted not having bought it..... Katy On Feb 5, 2008 4:59 PM, Janet Newton wrote: > How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - > > The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George > Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). > Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at least the > mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According to the old style > calendar in use back then, however, he was born on February 11. At least in > 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday on the 22nd while others marked > the occasion on the 11th instead. > > By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root in the > American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its traditions > included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and receptions given > by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in taverns throughout the > land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another revered president and fellow > February baby (born on the 12th of the month). The first formal observance > of his birthday took place in 1865, the year after his assassination, when > both houses of Congress gathered for a memorial address. While Lincoln's > Birthday did not become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it did > become a legal holiday in several states. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Agnes Gawne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > > > > > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically > > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an > > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > > > > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. He > > was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln > > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache during > > the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February > > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > > > > begin quote: > > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the > > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was > > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > > dressed." > > :end quote > > > > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as > > they are just theories. > > > > Thanks, > > Agnes > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 09:50:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16EoWjR016744 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:50:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16Enh7i015432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:49:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16En3uJ051734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16En02O031713; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16EmuVQ031662 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id C19F52E8311 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:32:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 186CD2E81AE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:32:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AF22400A0 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:48:55 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:49:23 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Thread-Index: AchoxnSou00ZuoNvROGdlTP0Ki+PcAACHNUA References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org><002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ead13054-ba70-4b24-9e84-b983ace96723 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A9C907.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:49:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, there are photo sources that show people costumed in what we would consider bad 18th century costume, especially the women. There was a great interest in American history at this time, and it probably helped spur the restoration of Williamsburg to its colonial roots.=20 Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Katy Bishop Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:45 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Years ago I came across a costume in an antique store, a pitiful little cheap cotton dress, looking like 1920s or 1930s cloth and basic design, done in pseudo-18th century style. The makers label said it was a George Washington bicentennial dress. I have since regretted not having bought it..... Katy On Feb 5, 2008 4:59 PM, Janet Newton wrote: > How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - > > The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George=20 > Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). > Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at=20 > least the mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According=20 > to the old style calendar in use back then, however, he was born on=20 > February 11. At least in 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday > on the 22nd while others marked the occasion on the 11th instead. > > By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root=20 > in the American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its=20 > traditions included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and=20 > receptions given by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in=20 > taverns throughout the land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another > revered president and fellow February baby (born on the 12th of the=20 > month). The first formal observance of his birthday took place in=20 > 1865, the year after his assassination, when both houses of Congress=20 > gathered for a memorial address. While Lincoln's Birthday did not=20 > become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it did become a legal holiday in several states. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Agnes Gawne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > > > > > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically=20 > > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why=20 > > an > > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > > > > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. > > He was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln=20 > > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache=20 > > during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in > > February > > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > > > > begin quote: > > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who=20 > > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and=20 > > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of=20 > > the blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she=20 > > was alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully=20 > > dressed." > > :end quote > > > > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers > > as they are just theories. > > > > Thanks, > > Agnes > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 09:51:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Epnlw016769 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:51:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16Ep320026290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16EoTVg051965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16EoT2B033284; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16824E1099719 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 01:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080206080157.HDQO23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 03:01:57 -0500 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.213]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id m81y1Y0044cxKws0000000; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:01:58 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 03:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <021801c86896$8c266a10$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> Thread-Index: AchlV2RWxASB7QG5RhKnCfSKIEmVHADPxIpw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d2512ba-a101-4d3a-bbdf-ae1e7ee1aa57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A9C957.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:51:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this superior to other embroidery threads? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of margaret Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone now and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 09:58:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Ewv9w016921 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:58:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16EwB2i030054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:58:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16Eujo3052780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:56:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Eug8V039497; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp13.kp.org [162.119.133.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16EubWJ039385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m16EhtKk016176 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:56:35 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:56:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200802060010.m160A6f8053753@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:56:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/06/2008 06:59:05 AM, Serialize complete at 02/06/2008 06:59:05 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-02-06 - 06:56:35 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a71d3ff-6c96-4184-a881-6d9872a91814 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A9CB03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:58:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I _adore_ my Rowenta DG-980 Steam Generator, but unfortunately it isn't available any more :-( I use it all the time, and have had it for about 5 years. It makes loud noises now when the water reservoir gets low (which it didn't used too) and very occasionally spirts rust (probably 'cause I don't remember to clean it out as often as I should...) but it makes ironing immensely easier. I actually like it better then most of the industrial irons I've worked with - it's less fussy, and the steam it produces gives me equally good and fast results. Good Luck! -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 10:20:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FKgtb017511 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:20:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16FJuot010877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16FEKeO054910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FEJJ2056760; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:14:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m16FEG0W056642 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 70842 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 15:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 15:14:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0l_rnDgVM1k7DHveTAans2qzM_b9hPDq3YPbA6hyXXqWrbZrYa9EJxcNdX8bdx9AE5A3oPKmBdRl2e7keLHpzGiQeb0rRClwzB9Ef1awD6G2dwdzlf_n X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003b01c868d2$f23416e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org><002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:14:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46b8dac1-ca16-4039-bbbd-c6277b619267 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A9D01C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have had something like this in my collection. A note with mine said that it was a garment worn in 1936 for a GWA celebration ball. The fabric was 'screaming gunnysack' as might have been appropriate for the Great Depression. Also have a red sateen gents jacket with lovely lace cuffs and gilt trim that came from another source, but was used during the 30's decade. kathleen Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > Years ago I came across a costume in an antique store, a pitiful > little cheap cotton dress, looking like 1920s or 1930s cloth and basic > design, done in pseudo-18th century style. The makers label said it > was a George Washington bicentennial dress. I have since regretted > not having bought it..... > > Katy > > On Feb 5, 2008 4:59 PM, Janet Newton wrote: >> How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - >> >> The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George >> Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). >> Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at least >> the >> mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According to the old >> style >> calendar in use back then, however, he was born on February 11. At least >> in >> 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday on the 22nd while others >> marked >> the occasion on the 11th instead. >> >> By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root in >> the >> American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its traditions >> included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and receptions >> given >> by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in taverns throughout >> the >> land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another revered president and >> fellow >> February baby (born on the 12th of the month). The first formal >> observance >> of his birthday took place in 1865, the year after his assassination, >> when >> both houses of Congress gathered for a memorial address. While Lincoln's >> Birthday did not become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it >> did >> become a legal holiday in several states. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Agnes Gawne" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM >> Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question >> >> >> >> > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically >> > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an >> > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? >> > >> > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. >> > He >> > was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln >> > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache >> > during >> > the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February >> > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. >> > >> > begin quote: >> > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who >> > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a >> > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a >> > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with >> > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and >> > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the >> > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was >> > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. >> > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully >> > dressed." >> > :end quote >> > >> > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as >> > they are just theories. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Agnes >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 10:26:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FQExP017638 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:26:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16FPOVP019396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16FOlkh056286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FOjdI067707; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FOfaf067568 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49312] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id 41/2F-23304-131D9A74; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:24:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200802061449.m16EnVwt032173@net.indra.com> References: <200802061449.m16EnVwt032173@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:24:26 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question for embroiderers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d46764b-c808-4f6c-b40a-d6b60fb53c11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A9D165.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fireside carries it... http://www.firesidestitchery.com along with many other silks...and there is a good Indian restaurant around the corner...plus a good Vet specialty practice... Of course if you are going to the Vet's, there is no money for Fireside, but it's fun to shop anyhow. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 10:27:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FRqUc017685 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:27:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16FQqZn005244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:27:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16FPkLm056347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FPUQH068380; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m16FPLNJ068138 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 78932 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 15:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 15:25:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 127AijgVM1mn9WI3J6SGZ6VRuM1Gf.n.K11xCZV3Lf9rXVIkZZENb..jVmfCIKNt7r1TAOevyHU_0a_KkCXL4l7ybuKVQ77uKAxxJ86lG1zkYVv.DA6D X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004401c868d4$7ed123d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:25:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f3b3550-ab8d-4d85-80f3-b9e2e48eaf37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A9D1BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have had Rowentas in the past and loved them. "Spitting" was always a problem, eventually. As a shop appliance, I presume that It got more use than the usual iron. My present is a Sunbeam with automatic shut off. Not a good choice. It shuts off in about 45 seconds because it is in prone position...even if it is moving!! Hardly time to press a linen napkin, never mind a garment. So far, it doesn't spit. The burst of steam is fair but not up to the pressure of the Rowenta If I were in the market for a new one, especially for bespoke sewing, I would definitely get something with a separate water tank. Borrowed the steamer from the college last year when preparing the vast collection on the auction block and that was such a plus! Kathleen If I was shopping for ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT >I _adore_ my Rowenta DG-980 Steam Generator, but unfortunately it isn't > available any more :-( I use it all the time, and have had it for about 5 > years. It makes loud noises now when the water reservoir gets low (which > it didn't used too) and very occasionally spirts rust (probably 'cause I > don't remember to clean it out as often as I should...) but it makes > ironing immensely easier. I actually like it better then most of the > industrial irons I've worked with - it's less fussy, and the steam it > produces gives me equally good and fast results. > > Good Luck! > -sunny > > > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or > disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently > delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or > saving them. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 10:31:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FV9Qw017793 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:31:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16FUNu2023125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:30:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16FToNP056701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FTmGt072357; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FTiW1072205 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3069801pyc.4 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jgDlHd2VRkMrTfyGFz8gYr0iJ/uVixuy/WFItzqzDko=; b=QcwocngwmzagLrXPIALhz2ys9AgQfIEhn7SVpBZebLJIvsXH+gs47lSyfNl7wqVZYK6t3H6diA88Tm+bFwNDlgXaUM4H+a3kdoeLcfheCT4FKr/Cjx0hC0qOSbhjmwjdO7P1YxGg6djvV6QO5jBa/jiVdxCNFcNqK/MiSN/GXn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pata1ibLUVbH4BSZwF9Mfr7Vnzl3ZR1u7dJkyOeuD64AaC0yI8cyxZz9/vmkDw443nfb5gf3WvkWNkcHaIBui5cBt4Y4U4UcfRS+je6EpUnXwD8H7B9bfIzxnWyivTRnwbHQ4Xqx359Xbi1YQduWDI52TqsGWEkuW7DqKpYKhoQ= Received: by 10.65.126.16 with SMTP id d16mr18872432qbn.76.1202311777583; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.75.15 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:29:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070802060729lec11612xc16720f0f85612a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:29:37 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question In-Reply-To: <003b01c868d2$f23416e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org> <002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c868d2$f23416e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50025e81-e2be-4506-b370-87c1adf37bdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A9D28F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:30:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, the one I saw also screamed cheap 1930s cotton prints. It had a very elaborate manufacturers label, with woven print, saying it was a George Washington bicentennial dress. It was such a pitiful little thing, I wonder if there are any in museum costume collections? The gents jacket sounds spiffy. A friend of mine has an 18th century style gents jacket done in arts and crafts print fabric, seems to be from the turn of the century. Katy On Feb 6, 2008 10:14 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I have had something like this in my collection. A note with mine said that > it was a garment worn in 1936 for a GWA celebration ball. The fabric was > 'screaming gunnysack' as might have been appropriate for the Great > Depression. Also have a red sateen gents jacket with lovely lace cuffs and > gilt trim that came from another source, but was used during the 30's > decade. > > kathleen Mitchell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Bishop" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > > > > Years ago I came across a costume in an antique store, a pitiful > > little cheap cotton dress, looking like 1920s or 1930s cloth and basic > > design, done in pseudo-18th century style. The makers label said it > > was a George Washington bicentennial dress. I have since regretted > > not having bought it..... > > > > Katy > > > > On Feb 5, 2008 4:59 PM, Janet Newton wrote: > >> How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - > >> > >> The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George > >> Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). > >> Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at least > >> the > >> mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According to the old > >> style > >> calendar in use back then, however, he was born on February 11. At least > >> in > >> 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday on the 22nd while others > >> marked > >> the occasion on the 11th instead. > >> > >> By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root in > >> the > >> American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its traditions > >> included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and receptions > >> given > >> by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in taverns throughout > >> the > >> land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another revered president and > >> fellow > >> February baby (born on the 12th of the month). The first formal > >> observance > >> of his birthday took place in 1865, the year after his assassination, > >> when > >> both houses of Congress gathered for a memorial address. While Lincoln's > >> Birthday did not become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it > >> did > >> become a legal holiday in several states. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Agnes Gawne" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM > >> Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > >> > >> > >> > >> > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically > >> > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why an > >> > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > >> > > >> > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. > >> > He > >> > was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln > >> > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache > >> > during > >> > the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in February > >> > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > >> > > >> > begin quote: > >> > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > >> > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > >> > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > >> > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > >> > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > >> > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of the > >> > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was > >> > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > >> > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > >> > dressed." > >> > :end quote > >> > > >> > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers as > >> > they are just theories. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Agnes > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > h-costume mailing list > >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 11:08:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16G8Gag018155 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:08:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16G7Uau028517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16G20Tw062582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16G1uwu009277; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m16G1qZk009089 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:01:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 82591 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 16:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 16:01:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l0DRZ2YVM1mOZQ2tRecYxH33hmFUvU9WLkmM0KEOPuKtMCLAdsz.wy.k5ZlOfjV3t4Ru3rVZrJhj5GJxjo1.s.Kcgfn.8wKiWu743uT_TkYsGlQplyRiE651SGAWTLI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <005201c868d9$987b0490$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c868d4$7ed123d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <3586f5070802060745m30c3135dg48e62c8f45140fa5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:01:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f843d809-3505-4ae8-a021-9e9926194c05 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47A9DB42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:07:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This has been my experience exactly. The only other good thing about the Sunbeam is that there is a blinking red light that is constant as long as the iron is plugged in. This helps me to remember to unplug it when not in use. ..like when I off on a trip!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT >I had a Sunbeam, purchased a year or two ago, that would shut off > constantly while being used; it did steam wonderfully, and could be > used as a steamer as it even steamed when held vertically. I finally > gave up on it as it was so frustrating, I ended up having to turn off > the power strip and wait a minute before I could turn it back on. > > I recently did a household iron search, specifically looking for one > with a "on" or reset button, and found a GE iron at Wal-Mart, that > actually has a reset button--no more unplugging the iron and plugging > back in to turn back on! It says it stays on for an hour. > Annoyingly, many household irons now have no on button as a "safely > feature" and are designed to turn off after 1/2-1 hour, regardless of > whether it's being used and must be reset or unplugged. > > I will eventually get an iron with a separate reservoir, but for now > this one has been ok: > > GE Retractable cord Iron > 16934 (? Number on box) > > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5924585 > > On Feb 6, 2008 10:25 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >> I have had Rowentas in the past and loved them. "Spitting" was always a >> problem, eventually. As a shop appliance, I presume that It got more use >> than the usual iron. My present is a Sunbeam with automatic shut off. >> Not >> a good choice. It shuts off in about 45 seconds because it is in prone >> position...even if it is moving!! Hardly time to press a linen napkin, >> never >> mind a garment. So far, it doesn't spit. The burst of steam is fair but >> not up to the pressure of the Rowenta >> >> If I were in the market for a new one, especially for bespoke sewing, I >> would definitely get something with a separate water tank. Borrowed the >> steamer from the college last year when preparing the vast collection on >> the >> auction block and that was such a plus! >> >> Kathleen >> >> If I was shopping for >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT >> >> >> >I _adore_ my Rowenta DG-980 Steam Generator, but unfortunately it isn't >> > available any more :-( I use it all the time, and have had it for about >> > 5 >> > years. It makes loud noises now when the water reservoir gets low >> > (which >> > it didn't used too) and very occasionally spirts rust (probably 'cause >> > I >> > don't remember to clean it out as often as I should...) but it makes >> > ironing immensely easier. I actually like it better then most of the >> > industrial irons I've worked with - it's less fussy, and the steam it >> > produces gives me equally good and fast results. >> > >> > Good Luck! >> > -sunny >> > >> > >> > >> > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this >> > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or >> > disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, >> > please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently >> > delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or >> > saving them. Thank you. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 11:40:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16GeJ6t018814 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:40:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16GdZAY005933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16Gcwgo067937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Gcugd052299; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Gcpam052156 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c77.1f184e4f (41811) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:38:34 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:38:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8f2acbc-b1c2-40ce-a88d-0eaef2512377 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A9E2C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:39:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Mine's a bog-standard tefal domestic iron, with a separate water tank. Although I use it as a dry iron generally (I tend to use a spray bottle or dauber if I need to steam), it has spray steam and shot of steam. No idea what model number it is, though it's an older one - has been on 8-20 hours per day every working day for the last 7 or 8 years, and is still going strong. Also have (I think a singer) steam press - again no idea what model. Sorry. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 11:56:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16GuM2V019079 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:56:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16GtcPh024953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:55:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16Gsswa070983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16GslcU071418; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:54:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Gsg45071242 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from fwebmail10.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.110]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080206165437H0600d3n3he>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:54:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.218.110] Received: from [63.241.202.8] by fwebmail10.isp.att.net; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:54:35 +0000 From: "Jane Pease" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:54:35 +0000 Message-Id: <020620081654.21918.47A9E64B000346E50000559E22230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf1c79aa-2805-44d4-8206-a848ca0f0f3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47A9E68A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:55:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:29:37 -0500 > From: "Katy Bishop" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <3586f5070802060729lec11612xc16720f0f85612a8@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yes, the one I saw also screamed cheap 1930s cotton prints. It had a > very elaborate manufacturers label, with woven print, saying it was a > George Washington bicentennial dress. It was such a pitiful little > thing, I wonder if there are any in museum costume collections? > > **************************************** The DAR Museum did an exhibition a few years ago on bi-centennial (or colonial revival?)costumes. Alden O'Brien was curator, I believe, and could probably provide additional information. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 12:22:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16HMa2H019571 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:22:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16HLrFs000411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16HLS6N075169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16HLO67003355; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16HLJvs003200 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD811E87C for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:21:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47A9EC89.8090805@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:21:13 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6995edb4-6591-4490-8385-07795847b210 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A9ECB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:21:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I recently had to replace my iron and got a Black and Decker Digital Advantage D2020. I'm not sure I'd recommend this to anyone. I had very little choice when purchasing this one, as I was in the middle of a commissioned costume and couldn't wait more than 24 hours to find a replacement. Anyway, it's heavy enough, steams well, and gets the basic job done, but it is heavy. The water fill spot has a little cap over it which is nice, but it is also narrow which makes filling it difficult and I've already lost the little cup that came with it that you're supposed to use. The single most annoying feature is the self shut off. It shuts off after a short time, I am constantly having to turn it back on while I am sewing. It's easy enough to do that, just pick it up and the motion turns it back on. Yes, picking up the iron turns it on. Good thing we don't have kiddies around any more. Also, if it is plugged in and your power fluctuates, or goes off and comes back on, the iron turns itself on. Bad, bad bad. The digital temperature set is not my favorite feature. Theoretically you can just push the button with your thumb while holding the iron and it goes up or down. But if you turned it on at 1 and turned it up to 5 and you want to adjust the temp down you have to go through 6, 7, and 6 again, and 5, to get to 4. And this sucker is heavy. I know heavy can be good, but it's heavy enough it's almost difficult for me to use. It was heavy before I messed up my shoulder, and these days it's downright exhausting to use it sometimes. It does have an on/off dial and adjustment for the steam, so you can have any temp setting and steam combo. It's nice to be able to shut steam off without having to empty the iron. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 12:31:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16HVNUe019775 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:31:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16HUdYL032703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:30:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16FdOP7059148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FdMGh084262; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FdIaO084070 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:39:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cfa.2903d990 (42809) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:38:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:38:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4e5220f-e2ea-4f67-96cd-6189e4ccfdc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A9EEBF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:13:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I had a Sunbeam, purchased a year or two ago, that would shut off constantly while being used; it did steam wonderfully, and could be used as a steamer as it even steamed when held vertically. I finally gave up on it as it was so frustrating, I ended up having to turn off the power strip and wait a minute before I could turn it back on. I recently did a household iron search, specifically looking for one with a "on" or reset button, and found a GE iron at Wal-Mart, that actually has a reset button--no more unplugging the iron and plugging back in to turn back on! It says it stays on for an hour. Annoyingly, many household irons now have no on button as a "safely feature" and are designed to turn off after 1/2-1 hour, regardless of whether it's being used and must be reset or unplugged. I will eventually get an iron with a separate reservoir, but for now this one has been ok: GE Retractable cord Iron 16934 (? Number on box) http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5924585 On Feb 6, 2008 10:25 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I have had Rowentas in the past and loved them. "Spitting" was always a > problem, eventually. As a shop appliance, I presume that It got more use > than the usual iron. My present is a Sunbeam with automatic shut off. Not > a good choice. It shuts off in about 45 seconds because it is in prone > position...even if it is moving!! Hardly time to press a linen napkin, never > mind a garment. So far, it doesn't spit. The burst of steam is fair but > not up to the pressure of the Rowenta > > If I were in the market for a new one, especially for bespoke sewing, I > would definitely get something with a separate water tank. Borrowed the > steamer from the college last year when preparing the vast collection on the > auction block and that was such a plus! > > Kathleen > > If I was shopping for > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT > > > >I _adore_ my Rowenta DG-980 Steam Generator, but unfortunately it isn't > > available any more :-( I use it all the time, and have had it for about 5 > > years. It makes loud noises now when the water reservoir gets low (which > > it didn't used too) and very occasionally spirts rust (probably 'cause I > > don't remember to clean it out as often as I should...) but it makes > > ironing immensely easier. I actually like it better then most of the > > industrial irons I've worked with - it's less fussy, and the steam it > > produces gives me equally good and fast results. > > > > Good Luck! > > -sunny > > > > > > > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this > > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or > > disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, > > please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently > > delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or > > saving them. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 13:14:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16IEmF0020549 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:14:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16IDhSq027688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:14:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16FuS65061935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16FuPMa003067; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m16FuLP9002930 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 3456 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _u5Sx98VM1l6.Nml23oha0U8VLq9hOnyFHBfJYWcvciO0gk8Hr.mEI9zX8W.zQYCF3mECJJXxWd1NJIEq6B8XkFxF84- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004a01c868d8$d378c0b0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org><002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p><3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com><003b01c868d2$f23416e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <3586f5070802060729lec11612xc16720f0f85612a8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:56:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6836185c-6c09-4539-bdd2-644e0d298371 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47A9F8D7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:14:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wow, I'd like to see that jacket! Nothing like a Morris print to catch the eye! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > Yes, the one I saw also screamed cheap 1930s cotton prints. It had a > very elaborate manufacturers label, with woven print, saying it was a > George Washington bicentennial dress. It was such a pitiful little > thing, I wonder if there are any in museum costume collections? > > The gents jacket sounds spiffy. A friend of mine has an 18th century > style gents jacket done in arts and crafts print fabric, seems to be > from the turn of the century. > > Katy > > On Feb 6, 2008 10:14 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >> I have had something like this in my collection. A note with mine said >> that >> it was a garment worn in 1936 for a GWA celebration ball. The fabric was >> 'screaming gunnysack' as might have been appropriate for the Great >> Depression. Also have a red sateen gents jacket with lovely lace cuffs >> and >> gilt trim that came from another source, but was used during the 30's >> decade. >> >> kathleen Mitchell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Katy Bishop" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question >> >> >> > Years ago I came across a costume in an antique store, a pitiful >> > little cheap cotton dress, looking like 1920s or 1930s cloth and basic >> > design, done in pseudo-18th century style. The makers label said it >> > was a George Washington bicentennial dress. I have since regretted >> > not having bought it..... >> > >> > Katy >> > >> > On Feb 5, 2008 4:59 PM, Janet Newton wrote: >> >> How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - >> >> >> >> The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George >> >> Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). >> >> Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at >> >> least >> >> the >> >> mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According to the old >> >> style >> >> calendar in use back then, however, he was born on February 11. At >> >> least >> >> in >> >> 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday on the 22nd while others >> >> marked >> >> the occasion on the 11th instead. >> >> >> >> By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root >> >> in >> >> the >> >> American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its traditions >> >> included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and receptions >> >> given >> >> by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in taverns >> >> throughout >> >> the >> >> land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another revered president and >> >> fellow >> >> February baby (born on the 12th of the month). The first formal >> >> observance >> >> of his birthday took place in 1865, the year after his assassination, >> >> when >> >> both houses of Congress gathered for a memorial address. While >> >> Lincoln's >> >> Birthday did not become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it >> >> did >> >> become a legal holiday in several states. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Agnes Gawne" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM >> >> Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically >> >> > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why >> >> > an >> >> > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her >> >> > neck? >> >> > >> >> > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. >> >> > He >> >> > was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln >> >> > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache >> >> > during >> >> > the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in >> >> > February >> >> > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. >> >> > >> >> > begin quote: >> >> > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who >> >> > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a >> >> > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a >> >> > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with >> >> > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and >> >> > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of >> >> > the >> >> > blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she was >> >> > alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. >> >> > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully >> >> > dressed." >> >> > :end quote >> >> > >> >> > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers >> >> > as >> >> > they are just theories. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Agnes >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > h-costume mailing list >> >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com >> > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 13:28:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16ISR9H020950 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1867 Washington DC Fashion question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8aa3b0e6-49fa-46be-bd36-3a2941bde78b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47A9FC1F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:27:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The John Hay quote sounds like a description of an early version of historical re-enactment. There are many sites, particularly in VA that do GW Birthnight Balls and similar events. http://oha.alexandriava.gov/oha-main/gw200/oha-gw-birthnight.html http://www.washingtonbirthday.net/html/events.html I also remember Carlyle House in Alexandria VA doing them. Sounds like fun. I'd go, if DC wasnt the other end of the country. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 13:38:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16IcrDG021171 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:38:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16Ic9u2014589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:38:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16GXsHG067324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16GXqi9047089; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16GXnep046969 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:33:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d49.20276b3c (41811) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:33:27 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4aee391f-85f1-46ad-b6a6-d780b303cc1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47A9FE91.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:38:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In my experience it's one of the best available in the world (although naturally it dpends on the end use). Sorry - don't know of a US stockist, as I just order through the webisite direct (but am in UK). In a message dated 06/02/2008 14:52:46 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Is this superior to other embroidery threads? Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 14:58:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16JwoAn022670 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:58:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16Jw45k010024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16Jup42018591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Juhpu090503; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16JucQf090228 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A087E2DF00F2; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:54:47 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <013301c86829$d2804a70$ca496b8c@fhcrc.org><002801c86842$69b92250$76aca946@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:56:16 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c868fa$5608d030$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <3586f5070802060544h27caee54r269bc5f5b6aee3be@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Achoxlk8Y0AbldF5R5ePsScx5ZvaTQAM4u3A X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Or was it celebrating the bicentennial of his birth, 1932? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Katy Bishop Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:45 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question Years ago I came across a costume in an antique store, a pitiful little cheap cotton dress, looking like 1920s or 1930s cloth and basic design, done in pseudo-18th century style. The makers label said it was a George Washington bicentennial dress. I have since regretted not having bought it..... Katy On Feb 5, 2008 4:59 PM, Janet Newton wrote: > How about a ball in honor of George Washington's birthday - > > The original version of the holiday was in commemoration of George > Washington's birthday in 1796 (the last full year of his presidency). > Washington, according to the calendar that has been used since at > least the mid-18th century, was born on February 22, 1732. According > to the old style calendar in use back then, however, he was born on > February 11. At least in 1796, many Americans celebrated his birthday > on the 22nd while others marked the occasion on the 11th instead. > > By the early 19th century, Washington's Birthday had taken firm root > in the American experience as a bona fide national holiday. Its > traditions included Birthnight Balls in various regions, speeches and > receptions given by prominent public figures, and a lot of revelry in > taverns throughout the land. Then along came Abraham Lincoln, another > revered president and fellow February baby (born on the 12th of the > month). The first formal observance of his birthday took place in > 1865, the year after his assassination, when both houses of Congress > gathered for a memorial address. While Lincoln's Birthday did not > become a federal holiday like George Washington's, it did become a legal holiday in several states. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Agnes Gawne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > > > > > My brother sent me a question about fashion in 1867 - specifically > > regarding a ball in Washington DC. Do any of you have any idea why > > an > > 1867 woman would powder her hair or wear a blue ribbon around her neck? > > > > Here is the original quote. It's taken from the letters of John Hay. > > He was Abraham Lincoln's private secretary all during the Lincoln > > administration and then got sent to France as a diplomatic attache > > during the Johnson administration. He wrote about the ball in DC in > > February > > 1867 when he'd just returned from Paris. > > > > begin quote: > > "February 11. Mrs. Sprague gave a beautiful ball. The ladies who > > danced the Cotillon, and many who did not, had their hair powdered a > > la marquise. I have never seen so beautiful and picturesque a > > roomful. Some of the most striking were the Hostess herself (with > > whom I danced), the Hoyts, Miss Romain Goddard, Miss Haggerty, and > > Mrs. Banks, who was very correctly dressed, even to the extend of > > the blue ribbon around the neck, a little refinement in which she > > was alone -- Miss Kinzie, a fresh Western beauty and a superb danseuse. > > Mrs. Sumner and Miss Hooper, though not powdered, were beautifully > > dressed." > > :end quote > > > > I have my theories but I don't want to influence any of your answers > > as they are just theories. > > > > Thanks, > > Agnes > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 15:35:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16KZ2Fq023473 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:35:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16KYG99003258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:34:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16KXu11028037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16KXo8k037114; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16KTrlW031003 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so768490nfd.41 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:29:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=D8Kune2oowNWM3R4z/YnFCyWoUe8CW+ZeI09bspZyRE=; b=Iu3yRlsG7Pbkp4XsUzAajRNv+6AiypdCDoc0uno5Pq/7P+X+qR5SP/2AZbUzvWugqNjL99RRXCb1nqJb2adNyBUaGYpGAUf4IVr6CaTOqvUh/N50IG2ZnOtBhd6z7ZSUoJH13Wl302O+noSuy0OB4K+yMHIMwdfzce/tyIDftEI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JBvp6zp/Rv4jH2T/zmny/gl5oOR4OX95X7Zm+dq3wz/oD1XYKyxRQM9oKcmzeeFh7mm8GEjpoyug7pWgkiHpC5ssSICPhWxtMqCiyORqAiPQ5UPeZqI8Tby3yIe41gjALAfLOHPlTnyXOMAGh/9mzlB53OxU+rDWmPaDDPvPRhQ= Received: by 10.78.149.13 with SMTP id w13mr18562115hud.64.1202329771041; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:29:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0802061229s18f4ccdcy2306843115d25def@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:29:30 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT In-Reply-To: <0543C715-4919-42A4-8D36-E614ACC3381C@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8296995c0802051624h45752b12g80807a120282d862@mail.gmail.com> <0543C715-4919-42A4-8D36-E614ACC3381C@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 769f8f90-0b8e-490b-a6c3-57f1c3afe084 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AA19C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:34:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Excellent point, andy, about one less thing to break or leak. i have spray bottles that i could use instead. thanks! Lynn On 2/5/08, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: > > To help a bit, I don't iron much but press while sewing, weight > > isn't a > > problem for me, I like to have steam and optional spray. If I was > > able to > > get one without the automatic shut-off, I'd be happy but I don't > > know if > > anyone is making those anymore... > > The external-boiler models generally don't have auto shut-off. Mine > doesn't. > > I don't want spray in my iron, just steam. I got a Polder Ironing > Station (board) and it's got a shelf for a little trigger-spray > bottle. Easy to refill and one less thing on the iron that could break > or leak. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 16:32:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16LWuEr024536 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:32:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16LWAT7011312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16LUSHp095529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16LUDAK010993; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16LU5Bo010613 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:30:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from picmajik@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail09.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.159]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080206212959H0500crjaue>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:29:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.11.159] Received: from [167.230.38.115] by fwebmail09.isp.att.net; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:29:59 +0000 From: picmajik@bellsouth.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:29:59 +0000 Message-Id: <020620082129.19566.47AA26D70001C49D00004C6E22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0507060E030C079F@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: cGljbWFqaWtAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 45 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbe5fc14-1515-4d47-99f3-4aa6b5d25a45 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AA275A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:32:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I found this list of retail shops that carry Pearsall's. I hope this will be a good link and not too expensive. http://www.tristanbrooks.com/Pearsalls/Retail.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 18:20:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NK5sh026662 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:20:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16NJKWf015149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:19:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16NGZro010874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NGLdI039038; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NGHfU038902 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c00.27c67453 (41811) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:16:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cda9f72-ab0b-4297-b6f0-e2c69461aaf6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AA4078.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:19:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I, also, have a Black and Decker. It's the Classic model - no auto shut-off and just a regular, old-fashioned dial setting. Cost about $30. It, too, is heavy, but I like that. It's almost the same as the GE I had in college in 1970's. My criteria in an iron is how close to the point the steam vents are. Some of them have all the vents in the wide part which does absolutely no good trying to press a seam open! Has anyone ever used the tiny iron you see in the Quilt shows? Would it be useful for getting into close seams? Catherine In a message dated 2/6/2008 12:22:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I recently had to replace my iron and got a Black and Decker Digital Advantage D2020. I'm not sure I'd recommend this to anyone. I had very little choice when purchasing this one, as I was in the middle of a commissioned costume and couldn't wait more than 24 hours to find a replacement. Anyway, it's heavy enough, steams well, and gets the basic job done, but it is heavy. The water fill spot has a little cap over it which is nice, but it is also narrow which makes filling it difficult and I've already lost the little cup that came with it that you're supposed to use. The single most annoying feature is the self shut off. It shuts off after a short time, I am constantly having to turn it back on while I am sewing. It's easy enough to do that, just pick it up and the motion turns it back on. Yes, picking up the iron turns it on. Good thing we don't have kiddies around any more. Also, if it is plugged in and your power fluctuates, or goes off and comes back on, the iron turns itself on. Bad, bad bad. The digital temperature set is not my favorite feature. Theoretically you can just push the button with your thumb while holding the iron and it goes up or down. But if you turned it on at 1 and turned it up to 5 and you want to adjust the temp down you have to go through 6, 7, and 6 again, and 5, to get to 4. And this sucker is heavy. I know heavy can be good, but it's heavy enough it's almost difficult for me to use. It was heavy before I messed up my shoulder, and these days it's downright exhausting to use it sometimes. It does have an on/off dial and adjustment for the steam, so you can have any temp setting and steam combo. It's nice to be able to shut steam off without having to empty the iron. Dawn **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 18:31:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NVnnT026864 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:31:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16NV4xM018012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16NUdr8014101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NUb6e054927; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NUVm7054715 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (25.birmingham-06rh15rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.177.25]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2008020623302411300jhop4e>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c86918$3e906080$19b14a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c864c1$f5440300$6501a8c0@GilgameshII><000901c86556$f06801c0$c2b04a0c@toshibauser> <021801c86896$8c266a10$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:30:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c24b9605-587e-4612-9c4c-8365a8424e0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47AA4338.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:31:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The colors hold true for the whole spool (it comes on a spool as a single thread which I like), did not fray easily, and did not tangle if I used bee's wax. Margaret > Is this superior to other embroidery threads? > Anne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 18:32:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NWuiL026881 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:32:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16NW9Y2032294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16NVu7a014227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NVrxU056240; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NVjUg056054 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (25.birmingham-06rh15rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.177.25]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2008020623313811200bu4qoe>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:31:39 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c86918$6afce7b0$19b14a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:31:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94872f8b-0693-4296-a9f1-cc203b7294a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AA4379.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:32:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > In my experience it's one of the best available in the world (although > naturally it dpends on the end use). > > > Sorry - don't know of a US stockist, as I just order through the webisite > direct (but am in UK). > > > May we have the URL? Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 18:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16Ncaj7026930 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:38:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m16NboEY009888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m16NaDel014760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NaCxx060353; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m16NZjgW059950 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DD91720B3 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:35:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-189.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-189.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.189]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:35:42 +1100 Message-ID: <1202340942.47aa444ee024b@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:35:42 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT References: <47A9EC89.8090805@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <47A9EC89.8090805@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e777f7a-704a-4dbc-8678-025b62cd4efe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AA44CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Like anything else, you have to practise to be good at it, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 19:05:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1705IDd027324 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:05:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1704URW020777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:04:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1704Bgj018393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17049he088830; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17045GG088779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-251.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m17044NW031665 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:04:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200802061901.m16J0GTA024098@net.indra.com> References: <200802061901.m16J0GTA024098@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington Ball (or tea, or ?) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:04:02 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5716/Wed Feb 6 16:05:55 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d9edad9-40bb-4c1f-843e-119cece5c44a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AA4B0E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:04:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fun! And on the same general subject, the Library of Congress has a collection of historic dance manuals that includes some etiquette books -- I know I've seen a description of how to host a "Washington Ball" in one of them, but it was from my own grandmother's era (1910- ish) and so doesn't answer the original question. The illustration showing a "Martha Washington" costume was delightfully Edwardian. ;-) If you go to http://www.loc.gov/index.html and put "Washington Ball" in the search box you'll probably find it... or search the "American Memory" section of their website for An American Dance Companion. Suzanne (who of course can NOT find the pages she printed over a year ago from that etiquette manual) On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Cin > Date: February 6, 2008 12:26:35 PM CST > To: h-cost > Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > > > The John Hay quote sounds like a description of an early version of > historical re-enactment. > > There are many sites, particularly in VA that do GW Birthnight Balls > and similar events. > http://oha.alexandriava.gov/oha-main/gw200/oha-gw-birthnight.html > http://www.washingtonbirthday.net/html/events.html > I also remember Carlyle House in Alexandria VA doing them. > Sounds like fun. I'd go, if DC wasnt the other end of the country. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 20:32:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m171Weki028719 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:32:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m171VpDs012599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:31:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m171UuIq027947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m171UnaQ061690; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m171UkLQ061602 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.14]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:30:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:30:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 75.174.199.220 by BAY133-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:30:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:30:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1202340942.47aa444ee024b@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchpGTx9ctnzX0VZQQOrhfhlaWGMwwAD4WJw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2008 01:30:41.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CF2BF30:01C86929] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] It ain't the iron? Was: How do you like your iron? - again - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 690a7392-f0a0-4ffc-8fde-2e7e53974a70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AA5F87.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:31:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Okay -C, just have to ask .... do you really mean the tool has nothing to do with it? Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do you like your iron? - again - OT It ain't the iron, it's the ironer. Like anything else, you have to practise to be good at it, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 21:18:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m172I5k5029584 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:18:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m172HI0N032286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:17:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m172GeTR033795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m172GcEO001963; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m172GZwt001864 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-196.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.196]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m172GKto014005 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:16:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2BDA661C-9B38-4174-B8BA-0D051B696D8F@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] It ain't the iron? Was: How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:16:20 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dcaaaefe-13aa-4368-bc0a-9a30695edfb4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47AA6A2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 6, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Wicked Frau wrote: > Okay -C, just have to ask .... do you really mean the tool has > nothing to do > with it? When we were young, we made our irons out of adobe. Sure, you moisten the fabric you're pressing and you'll get mud all over it, but they were real, and we liked it! andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 6 22:44:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m173iGmQ032317 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:44:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m173hUln009106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:43:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m173goT9040994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m173gmJd059656; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:42:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m173gi14059502 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W10 ([65.55.133.45]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:42:39 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.154.128] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] It ain't the iron? Was: How do you like your iron? - again - OT Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:42:39 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2BDA661C-9B38-4174-B8BA-0D051B696D8F@bovil.com> References: <2BDA661C-9B38-4174-B8BA-0D051B696D8F@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2008 03:42:39.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CA627B0:01C8693B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac6ee09e-0019-413f-85b5-420a1eeec353 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AA7E62.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:43:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It is so unfair that at times like this, I have no way to explain why I ha= ve just laughed myself off the chair. =20 God give me a hobby with a language I can share with my loved ones. =20 Laurie =20 > When we were young, we made our irons out of adobe. Sure, you moisten > t= he fabric you're pressing and you'll get mud all over it, but they > were r= eal, and we liked it!> > andy _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!=A0Play the word scramble challenge with sta= r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=3Dstarshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja= n= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 00:47:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m175l2qh002455 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:47:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m175kH0K019516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m175i2MN049187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:44:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m175hoRZ031703; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m175hkp3031668 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1JMzY03VFO-0002Ou; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c8694c$2d0914e0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:42:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19OEERkanFyEu0rYoDS2pry3okiq9EKfsKPdkg PAp/GA6m+9vglr/HU3yJU/6W1o53oNVtJaQua37waPq/WXX1bn otN6NTBP4aecImV+lONOQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ee62de2-4cda-4bd9-9f29-ba48e941159d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AA9B29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:46:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saturday morning I am leaving for Honolulu, Hawaii...tagging along with = my husband on a business trip. I will be returning Sunday the 17th. = Can anyone please suggest museums or places of interest for history, = costume, and fashion related. I also love gardens and flowers. I have = planned to go to the Palace, Pearl Harbor, and someone suggested the = market where the Pro Bowl is held (of course after Sunday's game). This = person told me there is a great market at the Pro Bowl arena during the = week. Is this true? =20 I will be going to no mail for email lists Thursday night. If you have = suggestions after that time, please email me privately. I will be = checking private email messages starting Monday-Friday from Hawaii. =20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 08:09:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17D9wwh031134 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:09:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m17D9AJG028545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m17D8au4091686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17D8XMG036297; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m17D8TTn036052 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 18396 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 13:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 13:08:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3QdTjI0VM1lfvs69hxfJNMukZqolxQisPIhVSs7jybwSVDS2tIvUOPh6yMRC8jJ105aFzY7LYwAbqPAP4vmJVkUgR0BGbZ50FHt3HdoA75.Vv6xfXPAVKrcPo88Z3Ms- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003201c8698a$8bbcd1f0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2BDA661C-9B38-4174-B8BA-0D051B696D8F@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] It ain't the iron? Was: How do you like your iron? -again - OT Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:08:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d5b4de5-81f1-4ca9-9636-4686fa6121cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AB02F6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:09:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What a concept! I've uses mud for a lot of things...never thought of using it to iron with. Will have to pass this one on to my grandchild. My-oh-my!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "zelda crusher" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] It ain't the iron? Was: How do you like your iron? -again - OT It is so unfair that at times like this, I have no way to explain why I have just laughed myself off the chair. God give me a hobby with a language I can share with my loved ones. Laurie > When we were young, we made our irons out of adobe. Sure, you moisten > > the fabric you're pressing and you'll get mud all over it, but they > were > real, and we liked it!> > andy _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 11:25:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17GPZfS003562 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:25:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m17GOnGb011899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m17GNqXd020457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17GNkKf044938; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17GNglS044756 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3515285pyc.4 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tCc+U02hJjYMLMIxHoGh+z/l7/31LTTcBsYHf5aZy94=; b=aFbCMFf7hBuEEjJ69L3R4x3AlyQ/AKr+uCbJeE9/r+R32jSV8z9hniQxKg9BvyG/MK9Obr7jZiLFgqiZzoVDyW5ODqH84ImCTPM2J+kCh0Dc+pu1lwdOC5Mi0hjQprnYG1+LiQkTz6vdO5am1NVVVamJFe+ZaGOlL2mr9MqWVc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EhbHX3nQi5kLmPBNka4iefNC4/Qs0PT2cEZsPw/UyYCypeGtmhQVUdIVY4pu5VOkY1DXqJXl9g+voq2a+nQwMxNn2fbN3brx7eiYBcFXOlAX8th6VRa61/mQ8ESFS3EGCqaijiISAWCZLUsmovzRVNwkif0QrL/zVKUTukYyjRI= Received: by 10.65.93.19 with SMTP id v19mr21976821qbl.89.1202401416087; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.75.15 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:23:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070802070823s3749c909vf87a40f9de50cb36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:23:36 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <020620081654.21918.47A9E64B000346E50000559E22230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <020620081654.21918.47A9E64B000346E50000559E22230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a05a9cd-5aae-41de-8862-57cc7852d177 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AB30D1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the info.! Katy On Feb 6, 2008 11:54 AM, Jane Pease wrote: > > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:29:37 -0500 > > From: "Katy Bishop" > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1867 Washington DC Fashion question > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Message-ID: > > <3586f5070802060729lec11612xc16720f0f85612a8@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Yes, the one I saw also screamed cheap 1930s cotton prints. It had a > > very elaborate manufacturers label, with woven print, saying it was a > > George Washington bicentennial dress. It was such a pitiful little > > thing, I wonder if there are any in museum costume collections? > > > **************************************** > > > The DAR Museum did an exhibition a few years ago on bi-centennial (or colonial revival?)costumes. Alden O'Brien was curator, I believe, and could probably provide additional information. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 16:36:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17LavZB005364 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:36:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m17LaoaF022027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m17LaBmp071456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17La6hH044913; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17La11g044771 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kstormy@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY123-W11 ([207.46.11.46]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:35:56 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.210.115.137] From: Kathy Stormberg To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:35:56 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001c01c8694c$2d0914e0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> References: <001c01c8694c$2d0914e0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2008 21:35:56.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C572170:01C869D1] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca1b4e25-c5d5-40f9-ad56-162d516afb9f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AB79F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:36:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, there is a great market at the stadium (forget what it is called) but = I do not remember that is was everyday. You can buy all the same Hawaii-th= eme souvenirs, seat covers, clothes, jewelry, etc. but it is cheaper than e= lsewhere. Worth it to do one-stop souvenir shopping then you can basically= forget shopping the rest of the trip. Watch your purse, though. Lots of = petty theft. Also the fabric stores there sell Hawaiian print fabric if th= at is interesting to you. They also have shops dedicated to selling mumus.= Check the Yellow Pages when you get there if you can't find out any other= way. There used to be a shop in Ala Moana mall that sold Hawaiian quiltin= g themed items; they were nice to look at. There should be Hawaiian style = quilts on exhibit someplace. Sorry I can't be more specific; it was eight = years ago that I spent a few months there and my memory is hazy, plus a lot= may have changed. Have fun! P.S. The number 8 bus runs up and down the main drag of Waikiki pretty fre= quently and it is often easier to take the bus in this area as parking is t= errible. However if you are debating renting a car it is worth a day to ci= rcumnavigate the island (1/4 tank of gas in an economy car). The North Sho= re is very pretty and the waves should still be quite high this time of yea= r. Also the Polynesian Cultural Center (run by the Mormons, incidentally, = and next to their college campus) is very nice and is on the windward side = of the island. You can take the bus but it is a long ride. ---------------------------------------- > From: penny@costumegallery.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:42:06 -0500 > CC:=20 > Subject: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii >=20 > Saturday morning I am leaving for Honolulu, Hawaii...tagging along with m= y husband on a business trip. I will be returning Sunday the 17th. Can an= yone please suggest museums or places of interest for history, costume, and= fashion related. I also love gardens and flowers. I have planned to go t= o the Palace, Pearl Harbor, and someone suggested the market where the Pro = Bowl is held (of course after Sunday's game). This person told me there is= a great market at the Pro Bowl arena during the week. Is this true? =20 >=20 > I will be going to no mail for email lists Thursday night. If you have s= uggestions after that time, please email me privately. I will be checking = private email messages starting Monday-Friday from Hawaii. =20 > =20 > Penny Ladnier,=20 > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 16:45:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17LjghB005712 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:45:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m17LjZ9F021939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:45:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m17Lf9SA072230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17Lf6aO051469; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m17Lf2H7051251 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kstormy@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY123-W15 ([207.46.11.50]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:40:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [98.210.115.137] From: Kathy Stormberg To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:40:57 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c8694c$2d0914e0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2008 21:40:57.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F64D690:01C869D2] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66d9014d-072d-42b2-a7d9-0d9217b609b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47AB7BFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:45:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Clarification: Just looked at my post and something is unclear: the fabric shops and mumu= shops are not at the Stadium. They are various places in town. The Stadi= um is strictly for souvenir stuff. I remember going on Wednesday. -Kathy ---------------------------------------- > From: kstormy@hotmail.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:35:56 -0800 > CC:=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, there is a great market at the stadium (forget what it is called) bu= t I do not remember that is was everyday. You can buy all the same Hawaii-= theme souvenirs, seat covers, clothes, jewelry, etc. but it is cheaper than= elsewhere. Worth it to do one-stop souvenir shopping then you can basical= ly forget shopping the rest of the trip. Watch your purse, though. Lots o= f petty theft. Also the fabric stores there sell Hawaiian print fabric if = that is interesting to you. They also have shops dedicated to selling mumu= s. Check the Yellow Pages when you get there if you can't find out any oth= er way. There used to be a shop in Ala Moana mall that sold Hawaiian quilt= ing themed items; they were nice to look at. There should be Hawaiian styl= e quilts on exhibit someplace. Sorry I can't be more specific; it was eigh= t years ago that I spent a few months there and my memory is hazy, plus a l= ot may have changed. Have fun! >=20 > P.S. The number 8 bus runs up and down the main drag of Waikiki pretty f= requently and it is often easier to take the bus in this area as parking is= terrible. However if you are debating renting a car it is worth a day to = circumnavigate the island (1/4 tank of gas in an economy car). The North S= hore is very pretty and the waves should still be quite high this time of y= ear. Also the Polynesian Cultural Center (run by the Mormons, incidentally= , and next to their college campus) is very nice and is on the windward sid= e of the island. You can take the bus but it is a long ride. > ---------------------------------------- >> From: penny@costumegallery.com >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:42:06 -0500 >> CC:=20 >> Subject: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii >>=20 >> Saturday morning I am leaving for Honolulu, Hawaii...tagging along with = my husband on a business trip. I will be returning Sunday the 17th. Can a= nyone please suggest museums or places of interest for history, costume, an= d fashion related. I also love gardens and flowers. I have planned to go = to the Palace, Pearl Harbor, and someone suggested the market where the Pro= Bowl is held (of course after Sunday's game). This person told me there i= s a great market at the Pro Bowl arena during the week. Is this true? =20 >>=20 >> I will be going to no mail for email lists Thursday night. If you have = suggestions after that time, please email me privately. I will be checking= private email messages starting Monday-Friday from Hawaii. =20 >> =20 >> Penny Ladnier,=20 >> Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites >> www.costumegallery.com >> www.costumelibrary.com >> www.costumeclassroom.com >> www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 20:40:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m181eiDL011535 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:40:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m181ebeX019255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:40:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m181Y7iV004738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:34:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m181Y2bx009262; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m181Xbm6008830 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3691753pyc.4 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:34:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=5DcQAgd44OdsUUrtssueNMTVzyHUonsRiNJg1newykg=; b=Ri8F4VA1msmt3AN3Wew9Fhriovfzbt5J2zyT53O6E2UUPbpkTAfWl1Mxbor1dCVoZ1RvaDn5x9WSOlG+BCCh6FlDkB/jN/HHYONtg3x7AxCrgPPChLw2Yn2vLaglBAkgVhl6hVx/vzASQOVXzzs87xg+ItwiXaR4c3MVRkbyeIc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=CQSgCvXKv6h7n3Wvl6nI55gX8hutPUTjq4+zsm/w9zaptPePw3SpweKp5yl6mgmcgiIAhrEBZ9FgwDQUUoIMJMi3E1GOnz2Z2boKum9jtE2zolzPze42/WfdO5i7r6S90otexYKHyuSVqxMMP3xDwcoYrvxEyPYBDA0J+oO33Fw= Received: by 10.65.110.11 with SMTP id n11mr23298093qbm.46.1202434439187; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm10342651qba.26.2008.02.07.17.33.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:33:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00c701c869f2$dda613b0$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <001c01c8694c$2d0914e0$6601a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:35:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6057164f-2f2d-40ab-8aa2-59a57ba8666d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47ABB315.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:40:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Little China is really worth a visit too... One of the great things to do in Hawaii is snorkeling, but I didn't get to do any on Oahu so I can't direct you to any nice spots :-) The surfing's probably still good even though the main swells are probably over by now. If you get great surfing conditions it's worth a look, most good surfing spots are along the north-eastern part of the island. I envy you, but then, I can't complain, I'm leaving for Japan in about 50 days ;-) Have a nice trip! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii Saturday morning I am leaving for Honolulu, Hawaii...tagging along with my husband on a business trip. I will be returning Sunday the 17th. Can anyone please suggest museums or places of interest for history, costume, and fashion related. I also love gardens and flowers. I have planned to go to the Palace, Pearl Harbor, and someone suggested the market where the Pro Bowl is held (of course after Sunday's game). This person told me there is a great market at the Pro Bowl arena during the week. Is this true? I will be going to no mail for email lists Thursday night. If you have suggestions after that time, please email me privately. I will be checking private email messages starting Monday-Friday from Hawaii. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 7 22:26:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m183QTa8014356 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:26:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m183QMoL025334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m183OoWf017144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m183Oe4F089316; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:24:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m183ObBU089206 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20010 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 03:24:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kJUN/a7MQxTJHxD5nt14Wd+D6PNJ7Q1b2Eza9Qp9sqP8itZdh+A8SDmLZtHFZKWjnjdcVpmC9eCXWC2A0ZxdC1DNjJL21idywM3MaOCytARALzh3gZzi5TY9Z2nQKJNauiMbk7oqjWK/tPwaKfJJ2BgU3JX3snaTDCQtwn1pII8=; X-YMail-OSG: V7r56WIVM1nhs0UPWKv1Dx_KZZvUaFp_YRXImzJoGeZcAzIRvA2cB0BfP6iKtwxv60Em6MjjkLHxxjhMCtLKmAxrAl_kyfHW8EHZkDxwf_jZxfo5HY0bzy.djqPzMg-- Received: from [67.168.141.155] by web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:24:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <554973.18754.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23590c47-9fb2-44f7-944f-2cbaa95e6674 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47ABCBDE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:26:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO OOOH, yes! The PCC (Polynesian Cultural Center) was always a favorite place to go when I lived in Waipahu. JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir ----- Original Message ---- From: Kathy Stormberg To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 1:35:56 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii Yes, there is a great market at the stadium (forget what it is called) but I do not remember that is was everyday. You can buy all the same Hawaii-theme souvenirs, seat covers, clothes, jewelry, etc. but it is cheaper than elsewhere. Worth it to do one-stop souvenir shopping then you can basically forget shopping the rest of the trip. Watch your purse, though. Lots of petty theft. Also the fabric stores there sell Hawaiian print fabric if that is interesting to you. They also have shops dedicated to selling mumus. Check the Yellow Pages when you get there if you can't find out any other way. There used to be a shop in Ala Moana mall that sold Hawaiian quilting themed items; they were nice to look at. There should be Hawaiian style quilts on exhibit someplace. Sorry I can't be more specific; it was eight years ago that I spent a few months there and my memory is hazy, plus a lot may have changed. Have fun! P.S. The number 8 bus runs up and down the main drag of Waikiki pretty frequently and it is often easier to take the bus in this area as parking is terrible. However if you are debating renting a car it is worth a day to circumnavigate the island (1/4 tank of gas in an economy car). The North Shore is very pretty and the waves should still be quite high this time of year. Also the Polynesian Cultural Center (run by the Mormons, incidentally, and next to their college campus) is very nice and is on the windward side of the island. You can take the bus but it is a long ride. ---------------------------------------- > From: penny@costumegallery.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:42:06 -0500 > CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Quick suggestions for Hawaii > > Saturday morning I am leaving for Honolulu, Hawaii...tagging along with my husband on a business trip. I will be returning Sunday the 17th. Can anyone please suggest museums or places of interest for history, costume, and fashion related. I also love gardens and flowers. I have planned to go to the Palace, Pearl Harbor, and someone suggested the market where the Pro Bowl is held (of course after Sunday's game). This person told me there is a great market at the Pro Bowl arena during the week. Is this true? > > I will be going to no mail for email lists Thursday night. If you have suggestions after that time, please email me privately. I will be checking private email messages starting Monday-Friday from Hawaii. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Thanks again, Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 11:04:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18G45wP022800 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:04:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m18G3w4w029803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:04:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m18G3YaJ004057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18G3RO0024644; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18G3MIT024407 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.137]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080208160206.LMH15841.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:02:06 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.137]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080208160205.HBHR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:02:05 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:00:57 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20080208160205.HBHR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Thesis of interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfe3126f-dd39-49f6-89c0-5d35b5a3a194 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AC7D6E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:04:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO While I was browsing the British Library's=20 Integrated Catalogue (using the search terms=20 "costume thesis"), I ran across the following of=20 interest. After several years of trying to=20 interlibrary loan British theses and=20 dissertations from every library in the state=20 (universities and my local), I have given up and=20 started to selectively purchase them (usually not=20 TOO expensive as microform.. except those from=20 Cambridge...). Has anyone seen these and can comment on them? Thanks, Beth Matney Scott, Margaret Cochrane.: Dress in Scotland=20 1406-1460.. University of London, 1987.. DX189880 http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9ITX6-= 19633?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000010&format=3D99= 9 Ege, Ufuk.: Costume in Chaucer's works with=20 special reference to the visual history of=20 costume in his era.. University of Lancaster, 1993.. DX228822 http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9ITX6-= 78349?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000008&format=3D99= 9 Lewin, Agathe. Durer and costume : a study of the=20 dress in some of Durer's paintings and drawings /=20 (London : University of London, 1992.) thesis DX231935 2 v. : ill. (some col.), ports. (some col.) ; 33 cm. http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9ITX6-= 63366?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000011&format=3D99= 9 Sig=FCenza Pelarda, Cristina, La moda en el vestir=20 en la pintura g=F3tica aragonesa / (Zaragoza=20 [Spain] : Instituci=F3n "Fernando el Cat=F3lico",=20 Excma. Diputaci=F3n de Zaragoza, 2000.) YF.2005.a.9837 (ISBN 8478205764) 257 p. : col. ill. ; 21 cm. Originally presented=20 as the author=92s thesis, Universidad de Zaragoza,=20 1997. Includes bibliographical references (p. 183-190) and index. http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9ITX6-= 61578?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000018&format=3D99= 9 Brieske, Vera. Schmuck und Trachtbestandteile des=20 Graberfeldes von Liebenau, Kr. Nienburg/Weser :=20 vergleichende Studien zur Gesellschaft der=20 fruhmittelalterlichen Sachsen im Spannungsfeld=20 zwischen Nord und Sud / (Oldenburg : Isensee, 2001.) X.0425/198(5,6) (ISBN 3895987484 (pbk.)) 386 p. : ill., maps ; 30 cm. Originally presented=20 as the author=92s thesis_Universitat Munster, 1998.=20 Includes bibliographical references. http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9ITX6-= 51792?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000023&format=3D99= 9 While not in the BL Catalogue, this is also of interest: The development of Romanesque-Byzantine Elements=20 in French and English Dress 1050-1180 by Jennifer=20 Harris. Univ. Manchester Ph.D Thesis (1977) 249 leaves : ill ; 30 cm Note:Includes bibliography. 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Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 11:22:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18GMmPc024610 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:22:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m18GMex2017420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:22:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m18GMIBf007606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18GMGSI048705; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18GMCBu048621 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B60EE2E8366 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 04:05:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 3A2362E80EA for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 04:05:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3472400AD for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:22:12 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume related Thesis of interest Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:22:10 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080208160205.HBHR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Costume related Thesis of interest Thread-Index: AchqbCwNHXXzbnTlRSCx6t7kTf18QAAAVzTA References: <20080208160205.HBHR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11decc09-aa32-467c-b308-88bc9597056c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AC81D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:22:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the theses list. I do interlibrary loan and getting a thesis = loan from another library is about a 10%-25% success rate at best. Dissertation Abstracts International is the best source to actually = purchase a copy, but there are many theses that simply aren't available, = especially anything older than ten years. And they aren't cheap. I = purchased a bound two volume thesis about 25+ years ago I badly needed = for a paper and it was $30 then. No, it wasn't historic costume related, = but I still have it(Like this cost me a whole $30 and I had to eat = peanut butter sandwiches for lunch for a month to make up the cost of it = and the rest of my interlibrary loans for the stupid paper which I did = snag an A for anyway!). Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:01 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume related Thesis of interest While I was browsing the British Library's Integrated Catalogue (using = the search terms "costume thesis"), I ran across the following of = interest. After several years of trying to interlibrary loan British = theses and dissertations from every library in the state (universities = and my local), I have given up and started to selectively purchase them = (usually not TOO expensive as microform.. except those from = Cambridge...). Has anyone seen these and can comment on them? Thanks, Beth Matney Scott, Margaret Cochrane.: Dress in Scotland 1406-1460.. University of = London, 1987.. DX189880 http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9IT= X6-19633?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000010&forma= t=3D999 Ege, Ufuk.: Costume in Chaucer's works with special reference to the = visual history of costume in his era.. University of Lancaster, 1993.. = DX228822 http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9IT= X6-78349?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000008&forma= t=3D999 Lewin, Agathe. Durer and costume : a study of the dress in some of = Durer's paintings and drawings / (London : University of London, 1992.) = thesis DX231935 2 v. : ill. (some col.), ports. (some col.) ; 33 cm. http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9IT= X6-63366?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000011&forma= t=3D999 Sig=FCenza Pelarda, Cristina, La moda en el vestir en la pintura = g=F3tica aragonesa / (Zaragoza [Spain] : Instituci=F3n "Fernando el = Cat=F3lico", Excma. Diputaci=F3n de Zaragoza, 2000.) YF.2005.a.9837 (ISBN 8478205764) 257 p. : col. ill. ; 21 cm. Originally presented as the author's thesis, = Universidad de Zaragoza, 1997. Includes bibliographical references (p. = 183-190) and index. http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9IT= X6-61578?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000018&forma= t=3D999 Brieske, Vera. Schmuck und Trachtbestandteile des Graberfeldes von = Liebenau, Kr. Nienburg/Weser :=20 vergleichende Studien zur Gesellschaft der fruhmittelalterlichen Sachsen = im Spannungsfeld zwischen Nord und Sud / (Oldenburg : Isensee, 2001.) X.0425/198(5,6) (ISBN 3895987484 (pbk.)) 386 p. : ill., maps ; 30 cm. Originally presented as the author's = thesis_Universitat Munster, 1998.=20 Includes bibliographical references. http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9IT= X6-51792?func=3Dfull-set-set&set_number=3D075256&set_entry=3D000023&forma= t=3D999 While not in the BL Catalogue, this is also of interest: The development of Romanesque-Byzantine Elements in French and English = Dress 1050-1180 by Jennifer Harris. Univ. Manchester Ph.D Thesis (1977) = 249 leaves : ill ; 30 cm Note:Includes bibliography. Location: Joule = Library Theses Th5157 OCLC: 62355641 also in King's College London - = Courtauld Institute of Art Library ; Theses K4708 HAR =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 12:11:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18HBprr025360 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:11:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m18HBiQt004152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:11:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m18H6FhI015253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18H6BoO003032; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18QLhhe35I0hI94oUnB0mERshQv16DeC0s@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18H66TY002900 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m18H5u9O005567 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:06:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 27967 invoked by uid 80); 8 Feb 2008 17:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:11:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > While I was browsing the British Library's Integrated Catalogue (using > the search terms "costume thesis"), I ran across the following of > interest. After several years of trying to interlibrary loan British > theses and dissertations from every library in the state (universities > and my local), I have given up and started to selectively purchase them > (usually not TOO expensive as microform.. except those from > Cambridge...). Has anyone seen these and can comment on them? > > Scott, Margaret Cochrane.: Dress in Scotland 1406-1460.. University of > London, 1987.. DX189880 > http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/HXYFJUV73M1YBTXDT15IGDKBHESDEDH7CY6VU7E4UMIND9ITX6-19633?func=full-set-set&set_number=075256&set_entry=000010&format=999 I saw pieces of this spread out on her living room floor in 1989! I'm surprised the degree has such a late date on it, as this is the work that got Margaret Scott the job of writing the 14th-15th c. volume of the Visual History of Dress series in the mid-1980s. She studied at the Courtauld, and IIRC almost no one there was doing work in the medieval period at the time. I don't know if anyone else has ever done an in-depth study of Scottish medieval dress. Among the little I recall, she showed how Scotland got much of its influence from Flanders, as England got its influence from France. I've noticed that bits and pieces of this worked its way into her other writing over the years. > While not in the BL Catalogue, this is also of interest: > The development of Romanesque-Byzantine Elements in French and English > Dress 1050-1180 by Jennifer Harris. Univ. Manchester Ph.D Thesis (1977) > 249 leaves : ill ; 30 cm > Note:Includes bibliography. Location: Joule Library Theses Th5157 OCLC: > 62355641 > also in King's College London - Courtauld Institute of Art Library ; > Theses K4708 HAR Jennifer Harris is absolutely top-notch for 12th century, and one of the few costume historians out there working in this era who has an eye for practical clothing construction issues and not just literary and rhetorical aspects. This should be good. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 13:16:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18IGLF0027161 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:16:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m18IGElB031352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:16:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m18IAfhC022783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18IAbhm084601; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:10:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18IAXdL084418 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.215]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080208181027.OZDD5911.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:10:27 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.215]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080208181027.BWTC7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:10:27 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:09:17 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume related Thesis of interest In-Reply-To: <200802081706.m18H6Ftp003140@net.indra.com> References: <200802081706.m18H6Ftp003140@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080208181027.BWTC7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38693fae-6fbf-4a81-b3ac-0e2635850a41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47AC9C6E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A standard thesis (PhD) from the BL (most later UK theses) run about 31GPB (or $50 if you can get them to use the international price list) for microform or about double for a paperbound single vol... and then there is Cambridge... where you must get it directly from the University Library at much higher prices. The last quote that I got from them (on a 2 vol) was over 200GBP (beyond my price range). Those through BL are easy to get through BL Direct with a credit card. If in the UK, you can ILL most through BL. The ones from USA are very easy.. UMI will sell direct for about $35 (paper, unbound) or many university libraries subscribe to an electronic service and students can download them for free. If in the UK, BL users can also access those from UMI (up to 1Sept 2001). If someone needs help navigating BL, drop me a note. Beth At 11:06 AM 2/8/2008, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:22:10 -0600 >From: "Abel, Cynthia" > >Thanks for the theses list. I do interlibrary loan and getting a >thesis loan from another library is about a 10%-25% success rate at best. > >Dissertation Abstracts International is the best source to actually >purchase a copy, but there are many theses that simply aren't >available, especially anything older than ten years. And they aren't >cheap. I purchased a bound two volume thesis about 25+ years ago I >badly needed for a paper and it was $30 then. No, it wasn't historic >costume related, but I still have it(Like this cost me a whole $30 >and I had to eat peanut butter sandwiches for lunch for a month to >make up the cost of it and the rest of my interlibrary loans for the >stupid paper which I did snag an A for anyway!). >Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:28:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18LSStN001360 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:28:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m18LSG8S030190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:28:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m18LRsJH054894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18LQwHE016799; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18KsVMt079878 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from M311@aol.com) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c52.2b323f4c (39332) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:54:23 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:54:23 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Hawaii X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e4e7b97-1a96-48af-b3ae-00a7d2f2ad6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47ACC970.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:28:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was just in Hawaii--the same area in November/December. The Aloha stadium has the market but on game days it closes at 2 pm the other days it is later-- Open every Wednesday, Saturdays and Sundays from 6am-3pm. There is a $1 fee per person over age 11 also. There are a number of booths that sell clothes and a few that sell Hawaiian print material there. Their website is: _http://www.alohastadiumswapmeet.net/_ (http://www.alohastadiumswapmeet.net/) Hilo Hatties (_http://www.hilohattie.com/_ (http://www.hilohattie.com/) ) is another great store to got to. They are a good place to get food at plus coffee. If you want to bring home pineapples this is a great place to get them as they are packed with the approved agricultural stamp for "customs"--this applies for anything going out of the state--even to the rest of the US. Each airline allows for so many to be brought on the airplane in addition to your luggage without a penalty--they will tell you the current regulations if you ask. For an added fee they will mail them directly to your house also--their name brand stuff can be mailed home also. If you check in the discount area of Hilo Hatties there might be some wrap skirts that are on the larger size but for a great deal. I bought one of those to remake into something my size as I loved the print and the price was right. Here are some good websites to check out: _http://www.visit-oahu.com/_ (http://www.visit-oahu.com/) _http://www.gohawaii.com/oahu/_ (http://www.gohawaii.com/oahu/) _http://www.internationalmarketplacewaikiki.com/_ (http://www.internationalmarketplacewaikiki.com/) _http://www.gohawaii.com/oahu/_ (http://www.gohawaii.com/oahu/) Shopping-- _http://www.gohawaii.com/search?types=listings%2Cevents&location=41&category=574&subcategory=&q_ (http://www.gohawaii.com/search?types=listings,events&location=41&category=574&subcategory=&q) = If you use a credit card the stores are big on asking to see id. This was something I was not used to and did not have id with me one time--it was in the car. Also if you go to downtown Wiakiki parking is free at the meters on weekends. It might be after 5 also but I did not go there at night. There is a great Cheese Cake Factory restaurant down there also. There are lots of one way streets also in Wiakiki and we had to turn around alot. I hope this helps. Kelly m311@aol.com www.mysensaria.com/time2spa **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:26:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18MQshs003058 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:26:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m18MQmc9023260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m18MQNYA065376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18MQIs9084973; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m18MPohJ084299 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.178]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080208222538.YYRR15841.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:25:38 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.178]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080208222537.EZJA7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:25:37 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:24:26 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080208222537.EZJA7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] more Theses in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba3e6e91-0e05-4d55-83f0-830de6a8cec2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47ACD728.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:26:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I did a bit more literature search through Copac.. Here are some more that I found of interest. I think that another trip to London is in order... (my next scheduled is 2010 when the V&A and the Ashmolean expansions are complete). Beth Shirazi-Mahajan, Faegheh. Costumes and textile designs of the Il-Khanid, Timurid and Safavid dynasties in Iran from the thirteenth to the seventeenth century. thesis (Ph.D.) - Ohio State University, 1985. 287 pp. OCLC:82926908 UMI 8519027 Toplis, Alison. The dress of the Merovingian court in the Frankish kingdom, circa 450 - 700 A.D. : a study in early medieval dress. vi,88 leaves : ill ; 32cm. Includes bibliography. Notes:Dissertation: (MA) University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art) 1993. Ashelford, Jane. Emblems in English costume and furnishing, 1560-1612. 2 v. in 1 : ill.; 28 cm.. Notes:Plates 6, 34, 44 & 49 are missing. Dissertation (MA)--University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art), 1973. Includes bibliographical references. Hamnett, Melissa. Fashioning a self : issues of identity surrounding women's dress in England, 1590-1640..:viii, 165 leaves : ill., ports. ; 30 cm. Bibliography : leaves 159-165. Typescript. Submitted to fulfill the requirements of the M.A. in the History of Design, jointly run by the Victoria and Albert Museum and the Royal College of Art. Thesis (M.A.) -- Royal College of Art. 2004. Location: V&A Libraries Currie, Elizabeth. A Florentine family wardrobe 1566-1606.125 leaves, [44] leaves of plates : ill., general. table ; 30 cm. Bibliography : leaves 120-125. Glossary. Notes: Submitted to fulfill requirement of M.A. History of Design course jointly run by the Royal College of Art and the Victoria and Albert Museum. Typescript. Thesis(M.A.)--Royal College of Art, 1998. Location: V&A Libraries Drum, Karen. Footwear of the early Tudor period, 1485-1550 : and a catalogue of the early Tudor footwear collection of the Department of Costume, Museum of London.:2 v. in 1 : ill. ; 31 cm. Includes bibliographical references. Notes:Dissertation (MA)--University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art), 1982. Fingerlin, Ilse. Gurtel des hohen und spaten Mittelalters. (Series:Kunstwissenschaftliche Studien (Deutscher Kunstverlag) ; Bd. 46). Published: [Munchen] : Deutscher Kunstverlag, 1971. 495 p. : ill. ; 26 cm. Bibliography: p. 300-301. ISBN: ISBN:3422006451 9783422006454 OCLC:1446877 (37 US libraries) Notes:A revision of the author's thesis, Freiburg i.B., 1967. Dubner-Manthey, Birgit. Die Gurtelgehange als Trager von Kleingeraten, Amuletten und Anhangern symbolischer Bedeutung im Rahmen der fruhmittelalterlichen Frauentract : archaologische Untersuchungen zu einem charakteristischen Bestandteil der weiblichen Tracht. Published: [s.n., Berlin], 1987. :200 p. : ill. ; 21 cm. Includes bibliographical references (p. 7-22). Notes:Thesis (doctoral)--Freie Universitat Berlin, 1987 Straw, Amanda Louise. An investigation into the work of Hans Holbein the Younger as a source for understanding Englishwomen's headwear, c.1526-1543. 48 leaves : ill ; 32cm. Includes bibliography. Notes:Dissertation: (MA) University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art) 1995 Deevy, Mary B. Medieval ring brooches in Ireland : a study of jewellery, dress, and society . (Series:Wordwell monograph series ; no. 1) Published: Bray, Co. Wicklow : Wordwell, 1998. ix, 142 p : ill. (some col.), maps ; 25 cm..Includes bibliographical references (p. 75-85). ISBN: 1869857240. OCLC:40135497 (17 US libraries) Notes:This book is based on an M.A. thesis submitted to the Department of Archaeology, University College Dublin, 1995. Lehner, Julia. Die Mode im alten Nurnberg : modische Entwicklung und sozialer Wandel in Nu rnberg, aufgezeigt an den Nurnberger Kleiderordnungen (Series:Nurnberger Werkstu cke zur Stadt- und Landesgeschichte ; Bd. 36) Published: Nurnberg : Stadtarchiv Nurnberg : Auslieferung, Universita tsbuchhandlung Korn und Berg, 1984. :xi, 288 p : ill ; 21 cmI. ncludes index, Bibliography: p. 275-280. ISBN: 3874320952 OCLC:60011742 18154420 (15 US libraries) Notes:Originally presented as the author's thesis (doctoral)--Universitat Erlangen-Nurnberg, 1984 Symonds, Anna. Queen of Kings : the dress of Anne of Denmark. 129 leaves : ill. ; 31cm. Bibliography : leaves 100 - 107. Notes:Dissertation: (MA)--University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art), 2002 Dawson, Elizabeth. Some aspects of court entertainment in fifteenth century Burgundy : with special reference to Olivier de la Marche's descriptions of the theatrical costumes worn at the Feast of the Pheasant in 1454 and at Charles the Bold's wedding banquet in 1468.:90 leaves ; 32 cm. Includes bibliographical references. Notes:Dissertation (MA)--University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art), 1989. Hill, Virginia Arabella Maria. Women's dress at the court of the Sforza : a study of the foreign influences on the fashions worn at the princely courts of Northern Italy in the second half of the fifteenth century.:56 leaves : ill ; 32cm. Includes bibliography. Notes:Dissertation: (MA) University of London (Courtauld Institute of Art) 1993 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:20:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m192KDjF008647 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:20:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m192K7Ya010608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m192JeKe096999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m192Jaht015195; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m192JXvC015086 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=O60mZAiv4SfqwGYxilRmqv0+Op5rQAHetqdQ9NMK/EwIjiAnBJocqAr+aQwVtu4w; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.47.197] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JNfJQ-00028h-0y for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:19:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20080208160205.HBHR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume related Thesis of interest Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:19:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4784fa47ccf6d9520e4b8481c50ef5a5fc9f5e1c54ef8bb2d6d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.47.197 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 807ba148-6897-4272-ac8c-d7a6bf51fad3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AD0DD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:20:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 8, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > Thanks for the theses list. I do interlibrary loan and getting a > thesis loan from another library is about a 10%-25% success rate at > best. Just a comment from the university point of view on the question: Very often the university has only a single copy of a thesis available to the public -- I know U.C. Berkeley only as a single copy of mine. And that one copy is the "proof" that it was ever written in the first place. (My department also has a copy, but it isn't for public circulation.) So the consequences of that copy going walkabout while off on interlibrary loan are fairly dire. This might explain why they're a little leery of lending them out. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:34:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m192YM0B008919 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:34:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m192YGrZ016787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:34:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m192Y2Aj098159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m192Y1F1025265; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m192Xvbc025234 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:33:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.179.186.56]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JVY00LC19S3O2P6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:33:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:34:00 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cbee9b7-0fec-4487-a648-923a3531256a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47AD1128.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:34:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm one of those folks who often washes things by hand that tell you to dry clean - when they're 100% polyester, linen, and usually rayon and silk (depends on how daring I feel with that one, as it varies a lot). I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. It says "dry clean only, short cycle" but also says "light steam, light press". I'm guessing that I could probably get away with washing this also (hey, I've got "allergy skin" - the fewer chemicals up against it the better)... but wanted to ask this group if anyone's tried washing that combination with decent results before... as I'm feeling nervous about the combo. My *guess* is that the polyester is mostly in the design of the fabric, not in the general weave... it's jacquard-ish "leaf " patterned slightly shinier than the matte black of the rest of the material. Anyone out there able to say either "probably ok" or "definitely don't"? It was under $100, but more than I'd really like to throw out by totally messing it up before wearing. Fingers crossed! -Liz (hey, I never run into this when doing costuming - I wash the heck of the material before I sew it - but no time to manage to make something before I need it in March) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 22:28:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m193S31T011117 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:28:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m193Rs2S027411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m193RQRd003210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m193RO6o060827; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m193RMHN060767 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:27:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JVY00494C8XGBR0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:27:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:26:51 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-reply-to: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 403bf3d7-2205-4a17-8cea-e272b78df6f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AD1DBA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:27:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd dry clean it. Rayon sometimes is not colorfast to washing. If the tag says dry clean, then dryclean. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cozit / Liz Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:34 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question I'm one of those folks who often washes things by hand that tell you to dry clean - when they're 100% polyester, linen, and usually rayon and silk (depends on how daring I feel with that one, as it varies a lot). I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. It says "dry clean only, short cycle" but also says "light steam, light press". I'm guessing that I could probably get away with washing this also (hey, I've got "allergy skin" - the fewer chemicals up against it the better)... but wanted to ask this group if anyone's tried washing that combination with decent results before... as I'm feeling nervous about the combo. My *guess* is that the polyester is mostly in the design of the fabric, not in the general weave... it's jacquard-ish "leaf " patterned slightly shinier than the matte black of the rest of the material. Anyone out there able to say either "probably ok" or "definitely don't"? It was under $100, but more than I'd really like to throw out by totally messing it up before wearing. Fingers crossed! -Liz (hey, I never run into this when doing costuming - I wash the heck of the material before I sew it - but no time to manage to make something before I need it in March) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 8 23:52:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m194qMWb012762 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m194qEQm028028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m194pNZS014939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:51:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m194pKld016760; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m194pHx5016676 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=O2hVv9r9FZiwqmFOfGAzt/h5eGspbcXPnSqpRFQ90KgU+GuPCrxG+iFD6GNkel7y; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JNhgF-0006FU-Q6 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:51:12 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080208224255.0577b4c0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:51:04 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> References: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e534fa47ccf6d9520e4d51256991da8cf3d62e89a245b8cee98350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: quick fabric washing question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a44bf08-5711-4cda-9de0-17f3ce9c9dd4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AD317E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd dry clean it also. However, do you have a cleaners that uses the CO-2 cleaning method? It uses far less chemicals and lower temps than regular dry cleaning processes. Since we got one in our town (Here in Lincoln, Nebraska, the chain is "Hangers"), I haven't used anyone else, and have had good results, including getting cigarette smoke smell out of a wool beret. Another argument for dry cleaning - rayon can shrink, even in cold water on gentle - I washed the top of a rayon pantsuit after spilling something on it - it shrank enough that I couldn't button it after. It might make your dress look like it was made of "bubble" fabric - not a good thing. Sandy At 08:34 PM 2/8/2008, you wrote: >I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. It >says "dry clean only, short cycle" but also says "light steam, light press". >I'm guessing that I could probably get away with washing this also >(hey, I've got "allergy skin" - the fewer chemicals up against it >the better)... > >-Liz >_______________________________________________ "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:13:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m195DUuK013061 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:13:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m195DND7004431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:13:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m195D1kC016142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m195D0tT029227; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m195Cv0F029161 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75982 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 05:12:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BH/lsdUNYIVk8v7Sw6Rnw4DanJd0bpBFndjBAZycc28wm0JRVtV48Q+imoibpVuYsCJzSfbvtIJN5ZHaYS2zFePowMCxR7OmA4UoIyKjnpqBS//4pNGH7QT4nhHPZyyhFApRUhQLUdbrOuCJI4h8Zn6266Vi9dGmn6dT618qLkQ=; X-YMail-OSG: ruM.pw0VM1lAnF6IySu4aVpg.QKiV8phtmZ0s8plTmyAtOzE8KkVVkIyo514uBHZecs6oALpYynfN9JAUHnwYUDvQgV_tWa8iWwaE2OuU.TJQ5bSohc- Received: from [69.182.220.43] by web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:12:52 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace supplier To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070802080801n1e220f0du305f1c202f69ba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <35160.75361.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b678da08-45af-4e9b-8ebc-8bd70c74ead1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AD3674.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 01:16:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m196GVn9014219 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 01:16:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m196GPWL007512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 01:16:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m196G3ju019893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m196FxZw065739; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m196FuPE065649 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD85511EC7E for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:15:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47AD4515.7000409@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:15:49 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a900a1f-1115-41a7-856e-9df1091f6402 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AD4539.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO monica spence wrote: > I'd dry clean it. Rayon sometimes is not colorfast to washing. If the tag > says dry clean, then dryclean. Most of the time the tag says "dry clean" because the manufacturer doesn't know how to clean it, and dry cleaning is "safe". They are required by law to put care tags on the garments, but for many it is too much cost and effort to research the best method for a particular fabric or a line of clothing. So it says "dry clean" and they are covered. It's probably ok to hand wash it in cool water with a mild soap. If you are concerned about colorfastness, test swab it with a damp q-tip or cotton ball. Dry it in a rolled up towel, and press it on a very low iron setting. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 10:06:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19F6ifZ017961 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:06:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19F6cfG004716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:06:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19F64KD065897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19F615V060913; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m19F5v5r060771 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 92048 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 15:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 15:05:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YmoxRH0VM1m4gFt1lQt0DJh4pkftiHcb3UvOguPa0YZVOt.FVNURAKmvnXwHVOmOg2s7eKEV5l399oD1kxLvx_mk3WsPy_HypjbF0Jv6do_Abbz2yKzc X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000c01c86b2d$49616880$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <35160.75361.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace supplier Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:06:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c02b1f09-c7ca-4baa-bc77-e2e9e8f2ed10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ADC17E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:06:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The pictures are somewhat the same as for Capitol Laces of which I have samples; I have not seen many of these patterns reproduced in poly. They sure look like antique Val lace. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace supplier > No, but I can see why you'd want to, especially if > those samples really are cotton lace. > > Ann in CT > > --- Katy Bishop wrote: > >> Has anyone, especially those in the US, used this >> company for cotton laces: >> >> http://cottonlace.com/ >> >> Katy > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 11:06:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19G6WKM019842 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:06:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19G6PbE007679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:06:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19G65aS070563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19G63pc009395; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19G5xXA009303 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JVZ00263BDRFX00@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:05:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:05:43 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-reply-to: <47AD4515.7000409@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62d3220b-a8d4-42d7-9e92-29b1800a4ea2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47ADCF81.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, with all due respect, that is not necessarily true. I worked in the garment industry for 25 years as a designer, patternmaker and technical desuigner. Most stores require testing as part of their Quality Assurance program.Part of that is Wash testing. The federal govermnent no longer lets manufacturers put a "dry clean only " tag on a garment. A manufacturer must allow the customer the ability to wash with specific directions (cold water, bleach, etc.. If a fabric/garment has been PROVEN to be damaged by the use of a specific thing (hot water, detergent, bleach, etc) then the MFG. can say on their tag "Cold water only" or "Dry clean only" etc. Mfgs no longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment because it is convenient or safe. I found this out the hard way when deakling with Nordstroms a few years ago. They INSISTED on putting "Use dry bleach when necessary" tag on their girl's swimwear. If it says Dry Clean only, follow the directions. Then if something happens, you can return it to the store, who will in turn send it to the Manufacturer. If you have improperly cleaned something, it is not necessarily the store's problem. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question monica spence wrote: > I'd dry clean it. Rayon sometimes is not colorfast to washing. If the tag > says dry clean, then dryclean. Most of the time the tag says "dry clean" because the manufacturer doesn't know how to clean it, and dry cleaning is "safe". They are required by law to put care tags on the garments, but for many it is too much cost and effort to research the best method for a particular fabric or a line of clothing. So it says "dry clean" and they are covered. It's probably ok to hand wash it in cool water with a mild soap. If you are concerned about colorfastness, test swab it with a damp q-tip or cotton ball. Dry it in a rolled up towel, and press it on a very low iron setting. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 11:37:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19GbRKf020930 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:37:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19GbLMj008086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:37:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19Gb15j073624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19Gb02m044220; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:37:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19Gaudv043953 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nQHA1Y0020x6nqcA80Ef00; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:36:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nUcm1Y00400zNUK8Y00000; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:36:50 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YFi0yb6DZpMA:10 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=nMZyhSsnO9Uyg9ykRW0A:9 a=WeZN4wmANdv7aNxB8sUA:7 a=IXPZ979trzH05DV13SYs15l_4Z0A:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:36:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0315192d-b49e-43fe-972d-90882034f646 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ADD6C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:37:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Do you have any idea where one finds these instructions? I have a small online clothing business and put "dry clean only" on a lot of my tags. I'd like further information on the legalities. Sylrog On Feb 9, 2008, at 9:05 AM, monica spence wrote: > Actually, with all due respect, that is not necessarily true. I worked > in > the garment industry for 25 years as a designer, patternmaker and > technical > desuigner. Most stores require testing as part of their Quality > Assurance > program.Part of that is Wash testing. The federal govermnent no longer > lets > manufacturers put a "dry clean only " tag on a garment. A > manufacturer must > allow the customer the ability to wash with specific directions (cold > water, bleach, etc.. If a fabric/garment has been PROVEN to be damaged > by > the use of a specific thing (hot water, detergent, bleach, etc) then > the > MFG. can say on their tag "Cold water only" or "Dry clean only" etc. > Mfgs no > longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment > because it is convenient or safe. I found this out the hard way when > deakling with Nordstroms a few years ago. They INSISTED on putting > "Use dry > bleach when necessary" tag on their girl's swimwear. > > If it says Dry Clean only, follow the directions. Then if something > happens, > you can return it to the store, who will in turn send it to the > Manufacturer. If you have improperly cleaned something, it is not > necessarily the store's problem. > > Monica > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:16 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > > > monica spence wrote: >> I'd dry clean it. Rayon sometimes is not colorfast to washing. If the >> tag >> says dry clean, then dryclean. > > Most of the time the tag says "dry clean" because the manufacturer > doesn't know how to clean it, and dry cleaning is "safe". They are > required by law to put care tags on the garments, but for many it is > too > much cost and effort to research the best method for a particular > fabric > or a line of clothing. So it says "dry clean" and they are covered. > > It's probably ok to hand wash it in cool water with a mild soap. If you > are concerned about colorfastness, test swab it with a damp q-tip or > cotton ball. Dry it in a rolled up towel, and press it on a very low > iron setting. > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 12:39:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19HdoYB022831 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:39:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19HdfBX014124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:39:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19HcZAR079827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:38:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19HXwqU098503; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19GwK1k063453 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JVZ002V1DT1I310@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:58:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:58:05 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25b7c0c2-830d-4bd9-aa97-d04b1db957b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ADE55D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:39:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi! Try the Federal Trade Commission website. I don't know if small busnesses are "required" to test, but if your garments are sold in certain stores, you will be. The big stores and catalogues (Wal-mart, Target, Sears, JC Penney, Disney, etc.) that I worked with required testing and provided HUGE manuals. They also told us to use specific testing labs that knew the store requirements. The outcomes of the tests were sent to the stores and the manufacturer. Testing is really expensive. It is one of the reason that 95% of US manufacturinng has gone off-shore to places where a worker makes 30 cents an hour. But that is another discussion. :-( Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Do you have any idea where one finds these instructions? I have a small online clothing business and put "dry clean only" on a lot of my tags. I'd like further information on the legalities. Sylrog On Feb 9, 2008, at 9:05 AM, monica spence wrote: > Actually, with all due respect, that is not necessarily true. I worked > in > the garment industry for 25 years as a designer, patternmaker and > technical > desuigner. Most stores require testing as part of their Quality > Assurance > program.Part of that is Wash testing. The federal govermnent no longer > lets > manufacturers put a "dry clean only " tag on a garment. A > manufacturer must > allow the customer the ability to wash with specific directions (cold > water, bleach, etc.. If a fabric/garment has been PROVEN to be damaged > by > the use of a specific thing (hot water, detergent, bleach, etc) then > the > MFG. can say on their tag "Cold water only" or "Dry clean only" etc. > Mfgs no > longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment > because it is convenient or safe. I found this out the hard way when > deakling with Nordstroms a few years ago. They INSISTED on putting > "Use dry > bleach when necessary" tag on their girl's swimwear. > > If it says Dry Clean only, follow the directions. Then if something > happens, > you can return it to the store, who will in turn send it to the > Manufacturer. If you have improperly cleaned something, it is not > necessarily the store's problem. > > Monica > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:16 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > > > monica spence wrote: >> I'd dry clean it. Rayon sometimes is not colorfast to washing. If the >> tag >> says dry clean, then dryclean. > > Most of the time the tag says "dry clean" because the manufacturer > doesn't know how to clean it, and dry cleaning is "safe". They are > required by law to put care tags on the garments, but for many it is > too > much cost and effort to research the best method for a particular > fabric > or a line of clothing. So it says "dry clean" and they are covered. > > It's probably ok to hand wash it in cool water with a mild soap. If you > are concerned about colorfastness, test swab it with a damp q-tip or > cotton ball. Dry it in a rolled up towel, and press it on a very low > iron setting. > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 12:47:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19Hla9F023052 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:47:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19HlULm029842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19HkTjJ080855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:46:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19HkS6i010184; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19HkPgh010099 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.179.186.56]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JVZ002Q1G4AEFP3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:48:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:46:23 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-reply-to: <200802091637.m19GbOnU044812@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47ADE6EF.2030807@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200802091637.m19GbOnU044812@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 460db577-f4f7-480a-ab79-19dd9ff43bc6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47ADE732.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:47:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know that should be the case in theory... but I've a linen shirt (embroidered with a synthetic), and a rayon dress that I've bought in the last year - both have "dry clean only"... and both have been hand washed and delicate cycle cold water (just got a no-agitator top-loader) quite a number of times and they look "like new" still. There might be a minimal amount of fading, but not so you'd notice unless maybe if you had a slip of the fabric when it was new. I've got older items that are the same way. All of *those*, however have been cheaper and not a needed in a fairly short amount of time... so I've been willing to experiment. This one I'm still not sure what I'll do with - mostly because it *is* black, and mostly rayon. The only reason I figured on hoping for the best (and I may try it after the trip) is because it had the "light steam" - which indicates that the issue shouldn't be shrinkage, as any steam would affect the material negatively if it were a concern. Oh, actually there's another reason as well... it's feel is rather different from most rayon and rayon blends that I've come across with that label. It's softer - almost feels like it's been washed already... and the chemical itch I often get from trying on new clothes wasn't there. Now I have to figure out whether to dry clean it before the trip or not. One chemical or the other it's going to be a bother. I really wish I had the time to make something out of material I trust... ah well. Thanks all! -Liz >From: monica spence > >Actually, with all due respect, that is not necessarily true. I worked in >the garment industry for 25 years as a designer, patternmaker and technical >desuigner. Most stores require testing as part of their Quality Assurance >program.Part of that is Wash testing. The federal govermnent no longer lets >manufacturers put a "dry clean only " tag on a garment. A manufacturer must >allow the customer the ability to wash with specific directions (cold >water, bleach, etc.. If a fabric/garment has been PROVEN to be damaged by >the use of a specific thing (hot water, detergent, bleach, etc) then the >MFG. can say on their tag "Cold water only" or "Dry clean only" etc. Mfgs no >longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment >because it is convenient or safe. I found this out the hard way when >deakling with Nordstroms a few years ago. They INSISTED on putting "Use dry >bleach when necessary" tag on their girl's swimwear. > >If it says Dry Clean only, follow the directions. Then if something happens, >you can return it to the store, who will in turn send it to the >Manufacturer. If you have improperly cleaned something, it is not >necessarily the store's problem. > >Monica > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 15:27:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19KRl0Z028957 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:27:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19KRcZs022640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:27:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19KQkpo000412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19KQfuN047963; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m19KQcsp047847 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:26:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56790 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 20:26:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xXcHRSlDWc/eK2+Sb5Raat+4uXAJ8BW24maYyb8aMOJjZhkvznh68/+tLCH54yr+YHWA2LRQYnybnYRzFlqmPeF5ktLfV0b5NMBzIPA53Y06ubV2h3g3Fgd869giLg3Xxzya4vlV9eNYIyu2IQAGxsuPK2sonr7grEInwWDLidc=; X-YMail-OSG: jldwR3sVM1mkbcIuET3SHtbf5fXsaaEWnMZ0f3yOXjG7PLLdkyKw7RofA_qF0LEnJFGyGBXi8p8rH7gJJ9lW8QpSZHB_19rWeFKJgpNyMUet6acf6BEUMtXpw2hCMg-- Received: from [216.37.253.38] by web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:26:32 PST Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0802051141l37bde87asdf36996308a9f0ff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <572734.54054.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcd1a6a5-77ab-4d0a-be2c-78c73965171a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AE0CBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From Mary Corbet/Needle'n Thread.com: Good news - there is a supplier in the US. You can purchase Pearsall's - approximately 350 shades in 75 color categories - from An Itch to Stitch. Lynn Downward wrote: Check Hedgehog Handworks in the L.A. area. I don't know if she has it, but she's certainly got a lot of wonderful lines of threads. LynnD On 2/1/08, margaret wrote: > > Does anyone know of a distributor here in the US for Pearsalls Silk > Embroidery Thread? I inherited some several years ago but its about gone > now > and I would love to get some more. It is made in England. > Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. Ralph Waldo Emerson --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 15:44:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19Ki46i029511 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:44:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19Khvft018693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19Khf29002278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19KheqG063014; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19Khacs062967 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE7B055066 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:43:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for embroiderers Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:43:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <572734.54054.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67b13fcc-7249-4a1d-a261-d6c732f841e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47AE108D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:44:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.tristanbrooks.com/Pearsalls/silk.htm outlets http://www.tristanbrooks.com/Pearsalls/Retail.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 17:03:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19M3fsi031962 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:03:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m19M3TI0017521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:03:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m19M395G011137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m19M30pG030808; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m19M2uxs030662 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from H.Zickermann@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 30273 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2008 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from 85.176.144.75 by www023.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:02:50 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:02:50 +0100 From: "Hanna Zickermann" In-Reply-To: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20080209220250.62780@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question To: Historical Costume X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Awu548UXAUmzizrs1T9AX7YwCVhnv9ncPoyI1/r pSOgLfJMeO6kc1tsmAsRJDXE/M4/rlockGeA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: OBqWcrprbmwoT6j9NzZLF7BPUzc4cpGO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7faf8aba-6b73-4b57-bf00-06d5df2d2471 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AE2331.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Liz, if it was just the fabric and not a finished garment, IŽd definately wash it. It sounds like the warp and weft threads make the shiny pattern. But on a finished garment, I donŽt know if the cycle of the washing machine might crease the lining or interfacing so much that a light iron canŽt remove the creases. However, as you mentioned allergy-skin, you might try just hanging the dress out in a rainy night and drip dry. The rain will wash out most odors and dust, and probably a good deal of the chemicals in the material as well. This is a good trick for wool clothing that needs to be refreshed but canŽt stand frequent washing. And thereŽs not cycle in the rain, besides perhaps a little wind. Hope this helps, Hanna -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:34:00 -0500 > Von: Cozit / Liz > An: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Betreff: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > I'm one of those folks who often washes things by hand that tell you to > dry clean - when they're 100% polyester, linen, and usually rayon and > silk (depends on how daring I feel with that one, as it varies a lot). > > I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. It says > "dry clean only, short cycle" but also says "light steam, light press". > I'm guessing that I could probably get away with washing this also (hey, > I've got "allergy skin" - the fewer chemicals up against it the > better)... but wanted to ask this group if anyone's tried washing that > combination with decent results before... as I'm feeling nervous about > the combo. My *guess* is that the polyester is mostly in the design of > the fabric, not in the general weave... it's jacquard-ish "leaf " > patterned slightly shinier than the matte black of the rest of the > material. > > Anyone out there able to say either "probably ok" or "definitely > don't"? It was under $100, but more than I'd really like to throw out > by totally messing it up before wearing. > > > Fingers crossed! > -Liz (hey, I never run into this when doing costuming - I wash the heck > of the material before I sew it - but no time to manage to make > something before I need it in March) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 9 20:20:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1A1KqxB005742 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:20:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1A1KiZF029347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 20:20:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1A1JuKd027289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1A1JpSd085979; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1A1JmC7085887 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69937 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2008 01:19:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HBHBHfshWxnomYgnN8So5UtN6Lb7P4x+sQYbvXxnlYyrKfdj8Yre3gD81UYE0NcW9xLVRzNcMX9swngOwFUIu5SDcOp2YVXXbRPhmmSWZzs8gyKVcYFyAtpEwDIFaa9iHfStiS6oFMuSc3YnEL4Y9FbWO7pgs7QFXbMF17LOlyU=; X-YMail-OSG: bTu5UgkVM1mHG5yX36OWCckN429U_ZUSHUYX2Z.7B9v7VvokSkemgQA_cXYsb5scxQ-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:19:43 PST Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:19:43 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: quick fabric washing question , ...........my 2 pence To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080208224255.0577b4c0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <393476.68913.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6da74a8-134c-4d5c-a863-38898e08e06a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AE516C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:20:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wonder if the dye has anything to do with "shrinkability", I bought, from the same mfg, 2 "hawaiian" print shirts - same size,cut and pattern.One was a red background, one was blue-washed both in cold water, the red one stayed the same size, the blue one shrunk a full size. In my realm, if fabric does not "survive " washing, I don't use it for good garb. I just work around what left of the yardage and get on with it. I figure ,people in the "old days" didn't have dry cleaning, (which I personally detest,sitting and perspiring in a soup of toxic chemicals next to your skin- the largest organ in your body, is not my idea of healthy) silk and wool were not dry cleaned in the past, it was washed ,if only daubbed with water. for what its worth..... Melody Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: I'd dry clean it also. However, do you have a cleaners that uses the CO-2 cleaning method? Sandy At 08:34 PM 2/8/2008, you wrote: >I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester.> >-Liz >_______________________________________________ " --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 07:20:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ACKFwb005620 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:20:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1ACK7uh005553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1ACJfI2095387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ACJb4c024005; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ACJYgo023861 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080210121930.POMF20314.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:19:30 -0500 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id noJS1Y00B3Dnkwc0000000; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:18:27 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c86bdf$2bbd89a0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20080209220250.62780@gmx.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9261e19e-e93d-4240-b967-35fba3f9624d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AEEBF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:20:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hannah, thanks for this "new" idea. I'd heard of laying wool garments in the snow to freshen and clean, but not rain. How do you keep the garment from stretching when it gets heavy with water?=20 Curiously, Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann ....However, as you mentioned allergy-skin, you might try just hanging the dress out in a rainy night and drip dry. The rain will wash out most odors and dust, and probably a good deal of the chemicals in the material as well. This is a good trick for wool clothing that needs to be refreshed but can=B4t stand frequent washing. And there=B4s not cycle = in the rain, besides perhaps a little wind. Hope this helps, Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 12:52:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AHqGvO019581 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:52:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1AHq85q023657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:52:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1AHpVw3040020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AHoeSm034110; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AHo9jo033223 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so4586291pyc.4 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=EGzP6t8nO2xpJ/qWduC1WR5NeTnKyXry4+i+j64x/dc=; b=PhblJdUnGGBQUMrMhkyyG3XMfApiM3jC7uXhorxDKQCc5pXc5pIZigNKlP5v3RhDTAurl00M/ZJS8qIdlj4y+avHc8nDv/CXdZ3zIxAowdaVoD/sVw/eFZlJaFQPSWPbsPUOsRNLnZu5yWWzR5X49zPrAkk+wZDk9NGtZ/GPZcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=DQaCH4zQPEqutHoBUfWbp+GVTxmXqlVcMWwwTAIFHwgRLjzsr27hJMiuulFd7iBhK01soeF7cGOtXJHqbRbn8NpVZkgQujhMkpQR5z1bgb0G9HaSls+ytcxfmjVzp7TwYAYQHh1j9R0vZSNnIyX7wUbK8zG8uqrj51trQrOYA3U= Received: by 10.65.152.17 with SMTP id e17mr29965704qbo.14.1202665806930; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm13713958qbe.24.2008.02.10.09.50.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:50:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011c01c86c0d$90fd6780$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47AD1118.3080707@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:51:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdd79456-6659-4be4-a075-05d2ce16a4e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47AF39C8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:52:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO IMO, you'd probably be okay in a wash bag in cold water and short cycle, but I wouldn't risk it directly in the machine. Rayon gets much more fragile when it's wet and can shrink. Watch out for those colours, sometimes they run badly on "dry-clean-only" items, especially the cheaper ones. You can usually find out how bad it is by rubbing a damp light-coloured towel on the inside of a hem - if your towel turns the colour of the fabric... well you get the idea :-) I chuck most everything in the machine, even when it says dry clean only, except when it's something structured, lined and/or interfaced like a suit or a coat (even then, most modern sports coats can't be dry cleaned, you have to wash them in a front-loader). But I do put the fragile items in a wash bag and wash in cold water on a short, delicate cycle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cozit / Liz" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > I'm one of those folks who often washes things by hand that tell you to > dry clean - when they're 100% polyester, linen, and usually rayon and silk > (depends on how daring I feel with that one, as it varies a lot). > > I just bought a "nice dress" that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. It says > "dry clean only, short cycle" but also says "light steam, light press". > I'm guessing that I could probably get away with washing this also (hey, > I've got "allergy skin" - the fewer chemicals up against it the better)... > but wanted to ask this group if anyone's tried washing that combination > with decent results before... as I'm feeling nervous about the combo. My > *guess* is that the polyester is mostly in the design of the fabric, not > in the general weave... it's jacquard-ish "leaf " patterned slightly > shinier than the matte black of the rest of the material. > > Anyone out there able to say either "probably ok" or "definitely don't"? > It was under $100, but more than I'd really like to throw out by totally > messing it up before wearing. > > > Fingers crossed! > -Liz (hey, I never run into this when doing costuming - I wash the heck > of the material before I sew it - but no time to manage to make something > before I need it in March) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 12:56:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AHuIfA019699 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:56:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1AHu1ml026426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:56:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1AHtdBJ040553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:55:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AHtFhM040605; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AHtD6j040453 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so4587584pyc.4 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:55:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=5nHxBQfuVrgD5GpfiYYcjc/+/VJN4EKzDB3dfkw1Q3U=; b=TqRR8FEusDF8XgedDB7Vg1epfbtk3rWDsKWlg9lD/OO8O228ke8SIWt0uQ+fdWIc6j0xfyuB03GyX+siKDdnxZuZRPiHCMa+c8ar2rzji5ZNHdhN9XXY5dcuMe+mIu6BsimcHSEydrpJxbp+/Fa1fz7dk1uVcvwKTU+QdMhGYUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=fzEsiDfnN5ClzaMpLCSe2gYmQAzL19rqv3k5cTOEzwn7GdASsCHwR0Pmjo53AW/RLmnobZ99DHuaeG9knnbSaeZUctBtPUeEDdOyi0iST2Xo+OWeQ8eF3nOqhsTP1RLCh8gL9pPAFKmnFXHTowYkzVXQXdeUGnzM6SmtQgysucY= Received: by 10.65.253.6 with SMTP id f6mr29896579qbs.90.1202666107162; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm2190962qbq.0.2008.02.10.09.55.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <012701c86c0e$44024300$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:56:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6694c7e-fe2f-458c-bf28-df766c7f2216 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47AF3AB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:56:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Mfgs no > longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment > because it is convenient or safe. Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen pants? Lined I'd understand, because if they shrink then the lining will be too big, but unlined?? 100% cotton jeans shrink and they don't put a "dry clean" tag on them, why would they do it for linen if it's because of the shrinkage? Becase people don't know how to iron them after they've been washed? It's certainly not because of the dye (the two pairs of pants in question were white and natural-coloured)... then why? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 13:17:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AIHCsc020300 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:17:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1AIH5DC001527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1AIGhk7043648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AIGgIb065080; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AIGcnb064946 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JW1008C0C3JAJ30@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:16:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:16:23 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-reply-to: <012701c86c0e$44024300$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48be91f6-30b5-48cc-8aef-c0978e719544 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47AF3FA1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Linen shrinks an enormous amount. Especially if it is not pre-washed. Most linen used in Mfg. is not prewashed/preshrunk because the finish will come off and it will look terrible. The linen garment is also usually tailored differently than denim. The fibers of linen react much dirrerent than cotton to water. Lots of denim today is preshrunk and "distressed", so a lot of the shrink factor is gone by the time it is cut and sewn. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > Mfgs no > longer have the luxury of putting the "Dry clean only" tag on a garment > because it is convenient or safe. Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen pants? Lined I'd understand, because if they shrink then the lining will be too big, but unlined?? 100% cotton jeans shrink and they don't put a "dry clean" tag on them, why would they do it for linen if it's because of the shrinkage? Becase people don't know how to iron them after they've been washed? It's certainly not because of the dye (the two pairs of pants in question were white and natural-coloured)... then why? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 13:58:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AIwpLu021803 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:58:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1AIwgX4018952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:58:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1AIr7MJ047933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AIr5Bd001756; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:53:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AIr3wA001675 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so4603119pyc.4 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:53:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Qgp/c3DGyE0NjOygBChWhQxQY0EQBXONFHXqfuKGHPA=; b=hzfxgAdqGZIMFE0l1CtIBj3lsxHUMQSWBxMLtefmvEWmZqS3zP8v+Yh4UFxptUE2HdRfFnwr68eENiPvd9NqftDFPaGJJHKG3qiDcW80s0BMPXdr/35DAYHLZhYbxlKBnD8mxks0DuMfOeAJ2j6EU94lMAQNi0R7W/qVRPZKYCI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=svOLl/ohNmHi2QDuGZqcjWQi7G3PJeeUJWoz8hML9g9m2613wg27cp9MDCw5L99ZwmzxFs6ZIAkxSX0PUoAiaij+VX0gviRrsTiUcW/mGcF/Bbcuk9yd4W1x5K0Zg3FEkWbY8PUo+D6JEM25qpVz8mJOvF2C16YZfZzciWPQwJI= Received: by 10.64.203.4 with SMTP id a4mr22861480qbg.6.1202669579562; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm13716268qbh.7.2008.02.10.10.52.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:52:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <02fb01c86c16$58b0c800$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:54:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0fc64be-5bee-44f9-a88e-38ac8ff7b7f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AF4962.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:58:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, I guess I have the right approach then. I hate the sizing they put on linen because I think it makes it look terrible (as soon as you move it wrinkles, and there's no way to take the wrinkles out after that). When you wash it the sizing goes out, the fabric is softer, and the wrinkles are much less apparent and much more natural. You do have to iron it with a water bottle though, or it doesn't look as good. And I think it's a good thing those garments shrink :-) Stores where I normally wear a size 2, for example, when they have linen garments the size 0 is still to big for me. I still haven't figured out why they always cut the linen things so *** big! :-) Actually, I wasn't thinking so much as today's blue jeans (they all have spandex or one of those stretchy materials nowadays, so they never shrink and you have to remember to buy them too small or they fall off when you wear them), but the ones I was wearing about 10 years ago, before stretchy became the way to go. I remember having a pair hemmed after washing once, and needing to redo the hem because it shrank again after the second washing. But that's also true of linen. I now wash my fabric (not the already made garments) on hot twice before I use it.... won't get caught twice at the double-shrinking thing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question > Linen shrinks an enormous amount. Especially if it is not pre-washed. Most > linen used in Mfg. is not prewashed/preshrunk because the finish will come > off and it will look terrible. The linen garment is also usually tailored > differently than denim. The fibers of linen react much dirrerent than > cotton > to water. Lots of denim today is preshrunk and "distressed", so a lot of > the > shrink factor is gone by the time it is cut and sewn. > > Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 14:59:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AJxcRW023546 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:59:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1AJxVHZ014004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:59:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1AJx3UF056261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AJx0b9059919; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:59:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1AJwufe059772 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:58:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200802101958.m1AJwufe059772@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2008 19:58:50 -0000 Received: from p548E3CEF.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.60.239] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2008 20:58:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/MaLJKIZnM0MP3STJ7Y69/hrx97JaSxkXDBB9XBI jOaiy3YpetoxYY X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:59:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-Reply-To: <005f01c86bdf$2bbd89a0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> References: <20080209220250.62780@gmx.net> <005f01c86bdf$2bbd89a0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 335bdc3b-0a32-4a28-8b28-ee9b05bcc1a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AF57A3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:59:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you think your fabric might stretch, you can=20 lay it flat on a "clothes-line-stand" (I don=B4t=20 know what Fluegelwaeschetrockner is in English -=20 it=B4s a frame thing with wires between) with a=20 towel underneath so that it cannot sag and=20 stretch between the wires. There are also frames=20 with net available in some stores, for drying knit sweaters. At 13:19 10.02.2008, you wrote: >Hannah, thanks for this "new" idea. I'd heard of laying wool garments in >the snow to freshen and clean, but not rain. How do you keep the garment >from stretching when it gets heavy with water? > >Curiously, > >Linda > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann > > >....However, as you mentioned allergy-skin, you might try just hanging >the dress out in a rainy night and drip dry. The rain will wash out most >odors and dust, and probably a good deal of the chemicals in the >material as well. This is a good trick for wool clothing that needs to >be refreshed but can=B4t stand frequent washing. And there=B4s not cycle in >the rain, besides perhaps a little wind. >Hope this helps, >Hanna > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 15:23:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AKNYnN024326 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:23:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1AKNSNa026690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:23:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1AKNF77059605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AKNElh084204; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:23:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1AKNBeJ084075 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c92.21c1619d (29672) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:23:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0bfd58d3-3f5c-4d89-b229-f0a8a5296aaa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AF5D40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 10 23:44:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1B4iWLg008266 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:44:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1B4iPXa025522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:44:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1B4huMW009102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1B4hsY1055431; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1B4hoAP055339 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=WpuPg+hC97cDMkLldUQ4jonL74jucYJYDVWIP8L8zP33swmNKFpK1/Lpc59iEbGI; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JOQW9-0006se-AI for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:43:45 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080210223737.0285bb30@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:43:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: quick fabric washing question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e534fa47ccf6d9520e41b9851bad5b0fa98864d88f383b478a8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c120338-c5bb-466d-8270-9a35cd417c5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47AFD2AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:44:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or owns an iron. We helped a friend when she needed 2 dance recital outfits altered for her young daughters. They were a mess. The straps were waaaay too long on both of them (the reason for altering), which we can understand. However, they were crossover spaghetti straps, 2 on each side. The two dresses - supposedly identical - had the straps on one hopelessly tangled when they were stitched down. She said that these were very expensive dresses (like $40 or $50 for each), and there was maybe 1/4 yard spandex and 1 yard of tulle in them. Go figure. And, of course, the tulle was all scrunched up from shipping. We told her she would have to press the skirts, and she looked at us like we were from Mars - she didn't own an iron. Sandy At 02:23 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/10/2008 12:56:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >audreybmorin@gmail.com writes: > >Then why do they insist on putting "dry clean only" on unlined, 100% linen >pants? > >*************** > Because no one irons anymore. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 00:50:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1B5oxaq010749 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1B5orGx016341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:50:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1B5oNde013578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1B5oKvv093154; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1B5oHVK093108 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1B5oHkl032128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:50:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1B5oGXr012031 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:50:17 -0600 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:50:16 -0600 Message-ID: <20080210235016.r9oz1vctcg40skkg@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:50:16 -0600 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th C. hairnets References: <20080211030542.EFZC27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20080211030542.EFZC27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8cb743a-d10c-40d4-89ed-ef0ac45e3525 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47AFE23D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Is this one woven (for lack of a better word) braid with spangles at the intersections? > 2nd half of the 14th C > http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/hairnets/c49.jpg emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 08:07:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BD7w61010223 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:07:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BD7kWn023594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:07:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BD7O1f055544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BD7KGl019905; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19EC1p9j0gLPFwa4poJLDbaK9/iDTULlSk@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BD7Hpx019843 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1d.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.169]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1BD7EAE020881 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:07:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 26099 invoked by uid 80); 11 Feb 2008 13:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.19.204) by 209.237.134.178 with ESMTPA; 11 Feb 2008 13:07:14 -0000 Message-ID: <47B0487D.7070005@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:07:09 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Job opening: asst. professor, costume design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 166cce3c-2125-46a5-8fdd-8d4fbb05d966 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B048A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:07:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just saw posted an ad for this: Assistant Professor of Costume Design (tenure-track appointment) University of Missouri - St. Louis It's the second one on this page: https://tomsawyer.umsl.edu/webapps/weboffice/acadjobs/unitlisting.cfm?id=7 I should note that UMSL has a brand-new brilliant performing arts center. --Robin no affiliation _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 08:36:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BDaN0q015235 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:36:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BDaG7r030451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BDZuUG058489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BDZtkq043299; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BDZp8A043168 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb6.239fdd32 (32914) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:35:44 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:35:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Job opening: asst. professor, costume design To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e0d5d85-c692-4bf7-b6fa-67aa78f018d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B04F50.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:36:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/11/2008 8:08:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@netherton.net writes: I should note that UMSL has a brand-new brilliant performing arts center. I hope the consulted some costume designers when they built the costume shop--and didn't put it in the basement! Ann Wass **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 10:15:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BFFHm9030123 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:15:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BFFB0W023435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:15:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BFEc6e075540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BFEYvw056352; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BFEVJF056174 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c50.2364c3d3 (34991) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M38 (fwm-m38.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.240]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB014-88af47b0664d251; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:14:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:14:21 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.161.71.9 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD Received: from 75.161.71.9 by FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:14:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3AD7E9ECAAF3-894-257B@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume shop X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96c64141-5d1d-4d2d-8eb5-292b0fc2493e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B0667F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 10:38:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BFctF7007766 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:38:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BFcmL3027260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BFcGTL079612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BFcEob083647; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BFcBOf083511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-87-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.87.114] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JOajN-0007Xv-Ni for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:38:06 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080211153506.036efcf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:35:38 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop In-Reply-To: <8CA3AD7E9ECAAF3-894-257B@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3AD7E9ECAAF3-894-257B@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e901284e-51c0-435d-a8fb-9857cec2a341 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B06C08.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 15:14 11/02/2008, you wrote: >< >I hope the consulted some costume designers when they built the costume? >shop--and didn't put it in the basement!>> > >With no windows and no place to store anything.? Oh, and no ventillation..... >? >Ann Wass > > > >Cheryl Odom >College of Santa Fe And stairs of course, not elevators! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 11:09:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BG9o5T013697 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:09:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BG9iRZ023000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:09:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BG9Eu0084951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BG998w023994; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BG92Oj023721 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JW300A6X0UTD300@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:08:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:08:43 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume shop In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20080211153506.036efcf0@suziclarke.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85394cf1-9787-45db-957c-7bc8062f6839 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B07348.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica Former Grad Assistant at the SUNY-Binghamton Costume shop (a LONG time aga) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop At 15:14 11/02/2008, you wrote: >< >I hope the consulted some costume designers when they built the costume? >shop--and didn't put it in the basement!>> > >With no windows and no place to store anything.? Oh, and no ventillation..... >? >Ann Wass > > > >Cheryl Odom >College of Santa Fe And stairs of course, not elevators! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 11:45:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BGjkWb014966 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:45:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BGjdfU017800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:45:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BGhxRA089746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BGhE0Y071032; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BGgHn0069574 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d52.23f42fb3 (32913) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:41:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71258263-782c-428f-8f01-c3485c2333af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B07BB3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:45:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:09:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: I think most costume shops were designed by someone who had never been IN one, much less worked in one! And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space please!!!! Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 12:41:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BHfowg016950 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:41:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BHfgaH019944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:41:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BHepYa000911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BHeewP049279; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BHeZLc049048 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JW300JSR534ZL50@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:40:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:40:06 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume shop In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b1d5ff4-5bee-486a-b4d6-dc31e5e58e06 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B088D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:41:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Been there, done that! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:42 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:09:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: I think most costume shops were designed by someone who had never been IN one, much less worked in one! And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space please!!!! Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025 48) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 13:51:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BIpXCC020391 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:51:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BIpLro023213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:51:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BIoqZv013524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BInpob041162; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1BInZ1o040587 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 17198 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 18:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 18:49:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xzPQdxIVM1lasxj6ic2eW2izZD2.X.4nLkHBBAGhW7..xUq2AWXFq3QyBoMTKtHlv.TMb5ozyY1qtOUrlmtsLlIxJ0MG441wTsOstMukeXAeV0kAeeKZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c86cde$d373cba0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Job opening: asst. professor, costume design Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:49:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53c272a9-41ff-40df-a61c-07f2d28f13e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B09929.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:51:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You mean they might get situated elsewhere? My campus shop was in a U-shaped building at the opposite end from the theater...right next to the dressing rooms...in the basement of course! In our old theater one usually had to change costumes in the wings; in the new one they do the same because there is no time to travel. I was consulted in the planning stage but then the boss for the construction design red-lined 99% of my requests and suggestions. No storage space, design space, maintenance equipment,laundry, or showers for performers. The building was airconditioned..but not in the costume area. And it adervitised all the time about being "state of the art!" Now, when they built the new Sports facility, all these areas of concern were well taken care of. Sigh kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Job opening: asst. professor, costume design > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 8:08:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > robin@netherton.net writes: > > > I should note that UMSL has a brand-new brilliant performing arts > center. > > > > I hope the consulted some costume designers when they built the costume > shop--and didn't put it in the basement! > > Ann Wass > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 13:53:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BIr1N2020435 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:53:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BIqpvG029089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:52:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BIqZmo014156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BIqM6S045052; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1BIqFh8044723 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 19382 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 18:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 18:52:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J7QnsnkVM1kr8SMTg0KSeojajPWcQ9j9hwZPJw7GTKMXSMaDfPtGxBcYWssvpI8qbPkk1fELBPsBgv.chCSLqG8111PrzSrdQMHkknRmCC5x0XwqUh6l X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001d01c86cdf$3d287eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:52:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b967f16-3df5-4be1-be47-42926d38fd1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B09983.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:52:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And how about the "Greenroom"...located in the main lobby; but painted green...with a little kitchenette for ? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:09:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > monicaspence@optonline.net writes: > > I think most costume shops were designed by someone who had never been IN > one, much less worked in one! > > > > And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but sit > in > the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space please!!!! Not > just in > the wings. It would be nice to not have to go out in the parking lot to > cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 14:10:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BJAsCS021450 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:10:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BJAmX8008596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:10:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BJAM2v017573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BJA6B9070877; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BJ9ljm070272 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.66]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080211190939.BMFS5911.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:09:39 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.66]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080211190938.MPGR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:09:38 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:08:23 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th C. hairnets In-Reply-To: <200802111900.m1BJ0674055361@net.indra.com> References: <200802111900.m1BJ0674055361@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080211190938.MPGR27517.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e470b098-6741-4d5a-92e3-52c38513d7b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B09DB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here's a bit more info: >One of the nets is netted from 2-ply silk threads in green and white with >arms embroidered in silk and gilt silver thread. The arms were embroidered >on coarse linen ground and then sewn on to the net. >The other net is made from narrow woven silk bands, white, with parchment >bits sewn on to the crossings. The parchment was probably once blue. I have >long since wanted to reproduce that net, and I even managed to get parchment >and silk bands, but I haven't found the time yet. > >Both nets come from art and antiquity sales, so their provenance is not >known, and dating is a little unsure because of the same reasons. They >probably date to the 14th c. though. > >Greetings, >Katrin At 01:00 PM 2/11/2008, you wrote: >Is this one woven (for lack of a better word) braid with spangles at >the intersections? > > > 2nd half of the 14th C > > http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/hairnets/c49.jpg > >emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 14:53:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BJrlKj023130 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:53:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1BJrdY9012679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:53:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1BJpZ42024224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BJpIYp032831; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1BJo8ic031036 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:51:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshoover@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oKWd1Y00A0bG4ec5805m00; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:51:00 +0000 Received: from amailcenter23.comcast.net ([204.127.225.123]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oKrA1Y00W2gN6e43P00000; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:51:10 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=J/MRZirEJ1kpEJCwUcW14w==:17 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=9cWeUV-dyeBg7Ej_ejwA:9 a=pEIrf9pPws4hliSA0voA:7 a=2EWEWEqr-rliO61YN0xtFGUZBnwA:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 a=F-hDG5aUUDT6SSe2XoYA:9 a=glMx27udgFaDY6jrxkgA:7 a=ATeTe-ppOAf6qfX3Zcrb2KuujCQA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [71.59.133.228] by amailcenter23.comcast.net; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:51:09 +0000 From: dshoover@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th C. hairnets Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:51:09 +0000 Message-Id: <021120081951.29146.47B0A72D0007848D000071DA22155538949D0A900101089C0B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZHNob292ZXJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 111909f9-8dcd-4684-b057-170ac3232b18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B0A7C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:53:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where did you find the addition information? Astrid -------------- Original message -------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Here's a bit more info: > > >One of the nets is netted from 2-ply silk threads in green and white with > >arms embroidered in silk and gilt silver thread. The arms were embroidered > >on coarse linen ground and then sewn on to the net. > >The other net is made from narrow woven silk bands, white, with parchment > >bits sewn on to the crossings. The parchment was probably once blue. I have > >long since wanted to reproduce that net, and I even managed to get parchment > >and silk bands, but I haven't found the time yet. > > > >Both nets come from art and antiquity sales, so their provenance is not > >known, and dating is a little unsure because of the same reasons. They > >probably date to the 14th c. though. > > > >Greetings, > >Katrin > > At 01:00 PM 2/11/2008, you wrote: > >Is this one woven (for lack of a better word) braid with spangles at > >the intersections? > > > > > 2nd half of the 14th C > > > http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/hairnets/c49.jpg > > > >emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 21:16:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C2GdDZ003726 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:16:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1C2GX3p010981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1C2Fkoe083876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C2Fg3R072358; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:15:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imgate1.snip.net (imgate1.snip.net [209.204.64.5] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C2FdDT072275 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.204.69.21]) by imgate1.snip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB873F5AA for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.204.73.45] (unknown [209.204.73.45]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C827E5CAD3 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:40:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47B10146.7000903@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:15:34 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 798d61fe-500c-4401-848a-25bc9720b106 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B10181.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:16:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Amen, Brother! I am constantly amazed by how much these "theater design professionals" make on designing such non-functional crap. I have been in only a few places that really show some (pardon the phrase) intelligent design. On a good note, our Brother and Sister writers will hopefully soon be back. As a side note, any one interested in some pics of Miss America gowns? The MAP is moving their offices from one of the venues I'm working at. The gowns and some shoes (from the "show us your shoes" schtick of the MA parade) will probably not be there long. There are about 7 gowns and 15 pairs of (mostly silly) shoes. Let me know within a few days and I'll take a camera in and snap some pics. Cheers, Mike T. > >And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but sit in >the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space please!!!! Not just in > the wings. It would be nice to not have to go out in the parking lot to >cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 22:46:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C3kvFt006092 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:46:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1C3koRw020639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1C3kHEE095084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C3kDBO045514; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C3kA4n045461 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A61B68CF0076; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:44:27 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <001d01c86cdf$3d287eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume shop Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:46:09 -0800 Message-ID: <00e801c86d29$ce427e10$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Achs3yvlCvpfZYQDQJSaByaEpa6FzgASkZ3g In-Reply-To: <001d01c86cdf$3d287eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f941f20-0c75-4178-bd34-74b0f6618206 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B116AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:46:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The kitchenette was for washing out paint brushes, of course, and the other part was for making food for use onstage. (white bread with an apricot half for "eggs", etc.), and for heating the dye water. Tee-hee :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop And how about the "Greenroom"...located in the main lobby; but painted green...with a little kitchenette for ? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop > > In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:09:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > monicaspence@optonline.net writes: > > I think most costume shops were designed by someone who had never > been IN one, much less worked in one! > > > > And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but > sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space > please!!!! Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go > out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during > a performance. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0 > 03000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 11 22:49:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C3ngYH006150 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:49:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1C3nZal009746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1C3n6wp095347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C3n489047462; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C3mlAp047224 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6B7405800EE; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:47:03 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47B10146.7000903@dandy.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:48:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00e901c86d2a$2b372f30$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchtHR7nuX/COgE5TuWQESZnB9VmdwADL9Lg In-Reply-To: <47B10146.7000903@dandy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dff532e4-2c64-472a-89e4-15c5374e1e55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B1174F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:49:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A good case is the Mountain View performing Arts Center. It was designed with a lovely fly loft. But a city architect thought the fly loft spoiled the "look" of the building, so he cut it down by half. (at least, that's the story I heard, but it is so believable) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michael tartaglio Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info Amen, Brother! I am constantly amazed by how much these "theater design professionals" make on designing such non-functional crap. I have been in only a few places that really show some (pardon the phrase) intelligent design. On a good note, our Brother and Sister writers will hopefully soon be back. As a side note, any one interested in some pics of Miss America gowns? The MAP is moving their offices from one of the venues I'm working at. The gowns and some shoes (from the "show us your shoes" schtick of the MA parade) will probably not be there long. There are about 7 gowns and 15 pairs of (mostly silly) shoes. Let me know within a few days and I'll take a camera in and snap some pics. Cheers, Mike T. > >And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but >sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space >please!!!! Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go >out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 01:40:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C6eWqg009783 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:40:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1C6eKDH016290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1C6dj5O011882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C6dfab062416; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C6dbfu062330 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) X-Trace: 38873420/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$MX-ACCEPTED/pipex-infrastructure/62.241.162.32 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.241.162.32 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CANLNsEc+8aIg/2dsb2JhbACrKQ X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.162.32]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 12 Feb 2008 06:39:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0005E000087 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <47B13F20.7030400@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 +0000 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef2791a3-c5d4-49ed-8338-edea362de109 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B13F54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:40:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group members:- "Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was Christianized about a century later, women’s dress style became more modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 02:01:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C71vkn010596 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:01:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1C71j1d021646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:01:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1C71Qfw013291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:01:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C71PGM074878; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:01:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1C71LcQ074832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m1C71KP2005275 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:01:20 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <47B13F20.7030400@dsl.pipex.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01a2c5be-5b47-4b22-942c-27e65436aabc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B14459.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:01:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" > http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ > > What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! > > Linda Walton, > (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) > ___________________ Pity there was absolutely no supporting documentation other than this woman's bare word. Until I see a whole lot more, like what she really said, where she said it, and what made her believe it. I think I'll stick with the more conservative view. Bare skin, cold! Mosquitoes and Malaria? Brrr Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 08:18:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CDIAFP007675 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:18:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CDHx4m021310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:18:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CDHcld051938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CDHZ3Z038009; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:17:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1CDHVHj037920 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 48141 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 13:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 13:17:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SIoso9QVM1k8GlZxDLh9F_ogbw7S1SqlRo3.T1zfFDYvaUjNAe_2BZu_JcOYylvzh2jE415QVcAGgZXGW3XHB.4Ie0udBwSMY9M8WlDt17GKdlRJLXWM X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003801c86d79$a3a614a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c86cdf$3d287eb0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <00e801c86d29$ce427e10$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:17:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d145fd0b-6526-405f-8c5d-3955489db471 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B19C87.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:18:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hey, this makes sense! I"ll pass this on to the present shop steward. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume shop > The kitchenette was for washing out paint brushes, of course, and the > other > part was for making food for use onstage. (white bread with an apricot > half > for "eggs", etc.), and for heating the dye water. > Tee-hee :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:52 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop > > And how about the "Greenroom"...located in the main lobby; but painted > green...with a little kitchenette for ? > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop > > >> >> In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:09:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> monicaspence@optonline.net writes: >> >> I think most costume shops were designed by someone who had never >> been IN one, much less worked in one! >> >> >> >> And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but >> sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space >> please!!!! Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go >> out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during >> a performance. >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0 >> 03000000025 >> 48) >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 12:41:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CHfNk4015995 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:41:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CHfGW6001010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:41:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CHeYeB093190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CHeMq8013576; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1CHeFnZ013295 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:40:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 67598 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 17:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@96.236.163.198 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 17:40:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3EC3j4EVM1k7EG1bOAn34uwpPMN4ve1aeKHH45FjKV7sn2ilCyKZceoYeBr0ieZrOsW.EHpd3Tg0WN4zmZmJuW8DVvSk.eG.quYKBfLevlJ5caKS32AI X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001b01c86d9e$57a9df30$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47B10146.7000903@dandy.net> <00e901c86d2a$2b372f30$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:40:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6f03faa-131c-4c94-8587-47384df082b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B1DA3C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:41:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ours got to keep the flyspace but the "garage door" between the shop and stage is only 10x10 so we still have to build everything On stage..just as we always had to in the little theater.. When a show is up for performance, the costumes are hanging out there in the shop and it is a trial to keep the actors/construction crew from grabbing the nearest 'cloth' for a paint mop up. The red liner also found no reason to connect the lights on the catwalk to the lighting booth. So the poor light guys have to climb the flyspace 4 stories to access the overheads and then return to the lightbooth in the back of the auditorium to check and run the board. Don't know if it was a tech problem or not but the fall curtain was never used the first 3 years the Theater was open. It may be that no one (even the first Tech director)knew how to "fly" them or anything else. That has changed, at least, and the current director puts all his equipment through the paces. And he got a clotheswasher installed! It is in the carpenter shop...but what the heck! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info >A good case is the Mountain View performing Arts Center. It was designed > with a lovely fly loft. But a city architect thought the fly loft spoiled > the "look" of the building, so he cut it down by half. (at least, that's > the > story I heard, but it is so believable) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of michael tartaglio > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:16 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info > > Amen, Brother! I am constantly amazed by how much these "theater design > professionals" make on designing such non-functional crap. I have been in > only a few places that really show some (pardon the phrase) intelligent > design. On a good note, our Brother and Sister writers will hopefully soon > be back. As a side note, any one interested in some pics of Miss America > gowns? The MAP is moving their offices from one of the venues I'm working > at. The gowns and some shoes (from the "show us your shoes" schtick of the > MA parade) will probably not be there long. There are about 7 gowns and 15 > pairs of (mostly silly) shoes. Let me know within a few days and I'll take > a > camera in and snap some pics. Cheers, Mike T. > > >> >>And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but >>sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space >>please!!!! Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go >>out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during a > performance. >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:09:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CK9nuC020163 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:09:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CK9VND031120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CK95mK015191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CK8xLu000853; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CK8cdg000215 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.106]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080212200829.UCED15841.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:08:29 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.106]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:08:28 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:06:49 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fa6633a-6557-485c-9c12-5d3e9fa397e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B1FCFB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:09:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There has been a bit of discussion about this on=20 the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=3D48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 +0000 >From: Linda Walton > >I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group >members:- > >"Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th >and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than >previously believed. ... When the area around Lake M=E4laren was >Christianized about a century later, women=92s dress style became more >modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." > >It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" >http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ > >What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! > >Linda Walton, >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:13:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKDYGw020247 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:13:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CKDQ5D016588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CKBnY1015549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:11:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKBhQA004103; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKBEOr003257 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:11:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080212201059.DSNG18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:10:59 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.150]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080212201059.SQJK19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:10:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20080212201059.SQJK19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:10:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.150] at Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:10:58 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001001c86db3$5fab8930$9614a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?L=F6vsta_G=E5rd_in_Sweden?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4496b0ae-d831-4f13-976b-378d897dda7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B1FDE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I compleately forgot to take pictures, but a lady borrowed my camera, = and ended up with these pictures: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/lovstagard.htm The party started at 3 o clock in the afternoon, but the people i drowe = with, had to work to afternoon, so we came a little late, about 5.30. It = was very far out in the countryside, and it was a snowblitz, but we came = safely to the place. A charming old farm with lovely interriors in the 18th century style. Wonderfull food and wonderfull entertaintment, dansing and gambling, = killed the night. Thanks to the organisers and the wonderfull place they found. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:17:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKHxG9020331 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:17:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CKHqJP018509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CKGOpE016046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKGIAB009298; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKFG1R008103 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.106]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080212201510.CQXR5911.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:15:10 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.106]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080212201508.SDQY7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:15:08 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:13:52 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th C. hairnets In-Reply-To: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080212201508.SDQY7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f4d4197-8c4c-4a92-b00c-5423dac06717 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B1FEF0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:17:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: >Where did you find the addition information? Astrid It was posted by a member of another list (75 years) in response to my request for additional information from the original article in Waffen... (see bottom of photos for citation). I have not seen that article myself... which is in German (would love to get a copy). Contact me off list if you wish to speak to her directly. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:18:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKIlMp020363 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:18:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CKIclG031211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CKGuru016095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKGplI009925; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKGksC009813 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 5D5A52E811E for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:00:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id E459A2E808F for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:00:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE161800A6 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:16:44 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:18:26 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Thread-Index: Achtsx/BmUFz1DATR5uOyclHcP8UPwAAHXSQ References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c0cbd2d-a4a3-4383-9c9d-9caabffd6d82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B1FF1E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the link. This is a simple in shape, but effective look. I = haven't been able to attend the Eastern Nebraska/Western Iowa Renfaire = for the last couple of years, but there was a group in Tartar(our Middle = Ages era)costume, complete with weaponry, the last time I was there. = With the Northern Europe and Germanic ancestries of many Nebraskans and = Iowans, I'm surprised not more attendees choose their own ancestral = costumes. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:07 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. = Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=3D48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 +0000 >From: Linda Walton > >I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group >members:- > >"Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th = >and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than=20 >previously believed. ... When the area around Lake M=E4laren was=20 >Christianized about a century later, women's dress style became more=20 >modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." > >It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" >http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ > >What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! > >Linda Walton, >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:42:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKgQZF020979 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:42:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CKgDnN012898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CKfAon018291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKedNE035947; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:40:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKeQOu035653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.11] (dial-209-148-101-11.sonic.net [209.148.101.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m1CKeFRe032582 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:40:24 -0800 Message-ID: <47B2042E.3010909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:40:14 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b56587e0-ea50-4edb-8c50-a4a8eb309926 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B204A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:42:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not my era, but those tortoise brooches are all hollowed, right? Which argues for them being put over some convex body area. Also, I came across this interesting link: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Chris_Marsh/risala.htm In section 82 there are two references to females wearing metal or wooden "boxes" on, specifically, their breasts. Fran Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. > Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:51:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKpFBo021214 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:51:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CKp9nx012886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:51:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CKorgd019686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CKooVm047566; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CHLBgM090017 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce3.25c66e03 (30740) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:20:50 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 0e6b092f-c0e9-49df-950f-7139a126ac00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B206BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:51:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on clearance for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question to the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involved in Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardian. There is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities. Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. 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(mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@70.133.66.207 with plain) by smtp116.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 20:37:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AcX5fXEVM1lVJr_COHpG1PGv9CmJWBYENVXJA8CkDNJ6c0NU_4Y3ZwhtmeVqEAzAmdjq7m10qg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E383272-1A58-4DEB-864B-A1C8569AC2DD@margospatterns.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:36:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 28434b9b-6e7e-456e-8665-b1e3a0a171e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B2070E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:52:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This reconstruction isn't what I would describe as "provocative" by modern standards! Just goes to show what to what lengths the media will go to to sex things up. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:04:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CL4rrA021565 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CL4fgS008403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CL3GcZ020927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CL3Diq063998; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4a.socket.net [216.106.48.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CL38XQ063907 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 77DD13D520 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:03:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:03:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47B2042E.3010909@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e321660c-074c-4ec2-886f-ff5b6b9e7ca3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B209E9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not sure what you are saying but if you are saying that the tortoise brooches were worn over the mammary because they are "bowl" like, this would be incorrect because there is a vertical pin in it. -----Original Message----- Discoveries Not my era, but those tortoise brooches are all hollowed, right? Which argues for them being put over some convex body area. Also, I came across this interesting link: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Chris_Marsh/risala.htm In section 82 there are two references to females wearing metal or wooden "boxes" on, specifically, their breasts. Fran Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. > Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:18:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLIu17021958 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:18:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLImFJ002864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:18:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLGgBh022707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLGOCU079563; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLGFFa079364 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B492B38068 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:20:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:20:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802121620.34462.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f44dca32-9e3f-44c4-bede-274ccc791545 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B20D39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:18:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on > the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Thanks for the image! Interesting. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:25:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLPDvm022093 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:25:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLP3fK031091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLO6Zx023911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:24:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLNsUI088425; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLNk7Y088282 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C900138068 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:28:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <6E383272-1A58-4DEB-864B-A1C8569AC2DD@margospatterns.com> In-Reply-To: <6E383272-1A58-4DEB-864B-A1C8569AC2DD@margospatterns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c11cef46-b6e5-4778-aff9-89d8fbacee36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B20EAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Margo Anderson wrote: > This reconstruction isn't what I would describe as "provocative" by > modern standards! Just goes to show what to what lengths the media > will go to to sex things up. True, it's not provocative by modern standards, but to be fair to the poor reporter consider this: if Viking women normally covered their breasts with at least two layers of clothing, having just a thin linen shift over them might register as "sexy" (In the same way that, at the height of the Victorian period, an unexpected amount of legshow when the woman was in day dress registered as "sexy.") Whether the single-layer-over-the-breasts look was unique to the kind of costume Larsson posits would depend on how common it really was for women other than slaves to wear only a single garment over the breasts. It might also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore undergarments that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at present). -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:26:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLQYtY022132 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:26:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLQRGR027235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:26:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLQBkX024127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLP7TI089664; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLNexW088057 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id odTf1Y0040mv7h0580SL00; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:23:37 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id olPl1Y00146xfYU3X00000; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:23:45 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9aDbLlEDYAAA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=vF6jnoTt4WGcpPG4aLgA:9 a=5K59L1Ivfi7S-Lj5jh4A:7 a=5ECG7M2JTVYWZ9Jj6pa2hXol40kA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=oH_WKSxD8ioA:10 a=2LBr-NVs7dAaRFhY0kgA:9 a=hiLf81wRKg3V2Jsljz8A:7 a=lM9fcdYK8W2O6ma1P6SFkRodO0AA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:23:44 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:23:44 +0000 Message-Id: <021220082123.25188.47B20E60000B055A0000626422068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01833266-2aee-4fe2-a930-145ceed26ea2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B20F04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My first thought would be to go with the late Victorian/Edwardian. You have to be careful with mourning customs earlier, but thanks to Queen Victoria, by then it had become fashionable to spend your life in mourning -- or just look like you were. And 5 1/3 yards might get you to a late Vict. gown or walking suit or walking skirt -- probably too little for a mid-century giant hoopskirt, but once they narrow back down again somewhat you're in the ballpark. Anyway, enjoy! -------------- Original message -------------- From: FyneHats2@aol.com > I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on clearance > for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I > thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question > to > the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but > what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? > Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involved in > Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardian. > There > is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities. > > Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom. > > Donna Scarfe > Fyne Hats By Felicity > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:27:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLRXHA022169 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:27:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLRQfM027793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLQnrH024256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLQjJG091676; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLPf6M090177 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ojHa1Y00716LCl05609T00; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:25:21 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id olRa1Y00646xfYU3S00000; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:25:34 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tzTnyRQ_m2sA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=MUnkXy62AAAA:8 a=t9ydo7RPAAAA:8 a=05OoNKOvAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=TR8EFjBdKlZaLwhVwPwA:9 a=MK6nc-uZ6Itu9CwJTtUA:7 a=KdbFHyKV4vWKfhrMSU0kRAKhph8A:4 a=_KtGf5bnNxAA:10 a=I2EqgwFF2xUA:10 a=D9qpVlHCfPAJgAx9bBQA:9 a=j_P7Vak7DxC1TZMYw7QA:7 a=XUonl8oFO1wQSFdD_9HOyTJw6AsA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:25:33 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:25:33 +0000 Message-Id: <021220082125.29270.47B20ECD000B6AC60000725622068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: dc865f2d-a7da-446b-bf39-94d188f8c5b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B20F3E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:27:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm curious -- has Thora Sharptooth weighed in on this on Norsefolk? I'd be interested in her thoughts. Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > There has been a bit of discussion about this on > the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > Beth > > At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: > >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 +0000 > >From: Linda Walton > > > >I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group > >members:- > > > >"Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th > >and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than > >previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was > >Christianized about a century later, women’s dress style became more > >modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." > > > >It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" > >http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ > > > >What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! > > > >Linda Walton, > >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:40:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLe7m8022474 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:40:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLdxID001519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:40:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLcBFA025684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLc8A1004772; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLbt08004411 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218FC11F1A7 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:37:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47B21227.2000403@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:39:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 172357da-bc1a-479b-9189-60b373a1616c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B21230.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:40:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question to > the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but > what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? It'll always be good as a lining. IIRC the English Tudor period had a lot of dark colors, it might be suitable as an undergown, or the lining to a velvet or wool overgown. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:42:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLgGFx022524 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:42:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLg4Pt004769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLfjun026130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLfbaP008567; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLfWVr008478 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7383806A for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:45:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <47B2042E.3010909@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <47B2042E.3010909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802121645.55616.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fafd5ca4-9aa5-49f6-b7c3-4b22a0259e8d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B212AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:42:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Lavolta Press wrote: > Not my era, but those tortoise brooches are all hollowed, right? Which > argues for them being put over some convex body area. As someone else pointed out, the pin goes through the center hollow, which cuts against a placement over the nipple. The following picture of one of the brooches from the Pskov find is a good example of this: http://pskovarheolog.ru/imgs/docs/68-149.jpg -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 16:48:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLmKue022788 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:48:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CLmCqJ011222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CLlm5e027153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLljcW015612; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CLldI9015501 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F105F38068 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:52:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:52:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <021220082125.29270.47B20ECD000B6AC60000725622068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021220082125.29270.47B20ECD000B6AC60000725622068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802121652.02630.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d76edcc-a44a-45ea-93c9-4e493160f3f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B2141C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:48:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > I'm curious -- has Thora Sharptooth weighed in on this on Norsefolk? I'd be > interested in her thoughts. Lauren Not yet--though I expect she will eventually. It's possible she hasn't seen a photo of Larssen's proposed reconstruction yet. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:01:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CM1hsM023091 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:01:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CM1a2p016952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CM1IDp028709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:01:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CM1Ch3033104; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1CM13om032778 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Feb 2008 21:54:17 -0000 Received: from p548E6DC1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.109.193] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 22:54:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+iN54lvP2iIw8hCbCLVHOqt90qmysjsKXMzUhqOj PshUuHu9OoCEz4 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:54:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries In-Reply-To: <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <6E383272-1A58-4DEB-864B-A1C8569AC2DD@margospatterns.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6477d63-bc66-4da5-8461-cb6bda66e22f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B21740.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:01:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That=B4s the most beautiful Viking/Rus outfit I=B4ve=20 seen so far! But when I suggested the look to an=20 SCA friend for court garb, she pointed out the=20 little string that holds the upper edge together=20 quite awquardly, and there would be strain on the=20 pearl string if you remove that little string.=20 However, that Valkyria figure next to the photo=20 with the shawl looks pretty much like that=20 outfit, but appears to have a small apron or so=20 in front. Could it be that there were decorative=20 aprons or bibs that went with this outfit and=20 were not included in the box found in Russia? What do you think? At 22:28 12.02.2008, you wrote: >On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Margo Anderson wrote: > > This reconstruction isn't what I would describe as "provocative" by > > modern standards! Just goes to show what to what lengths the media > > will go to to sex things up. > >True, it's not provocative by modern standards, but to be fair to the poor >reporter consider this: if Viking women normally covered their breasts= with >at least two layers of clothing, having just a thin linen shift over them >might register as "sexy" (In the same way that, at the height of the >Victorian period, an unexpected amount of legshow when the woman was in day >dress registered as "sexy.") > >Whether the single-layer-over-the-breasts look was unique to the kind of >costume Larsson posits would depend on how common it really was for women >other than slaves to wear only a single garment over the breasts. It might >also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore undergarments >that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at= present). > > > > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:10:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMAtD6023298 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:10:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CMAmeJ000632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:10:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CMAQEO029800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMAFbP043790; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CM9xGs043271 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d09.2ac957aa (37555) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d25 (mblk-d25.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.17]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-92b347b2192b299; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:09:47 -0500 References: <200802121901.m1CJ17ot014992@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:09:47 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 69.242.151.151 In-Reply-To: <200802121901.m1CJ17ot014992@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD Received: from 69.242.151.151 by mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:09:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3BDB1D833070-CE4-1B3C@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Origin of velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3bedf392-28f7-4ef4-beb9-f88ebd261ce4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B21968.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, when and where do we first have evidence of it? This is for a story I'm writing rather than a costume I'm building, so any information would be useful. Thanks for your collective wisdom and generosity! 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:30:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMUteb023877 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:30:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CMUmQS011957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:30:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CMUPn9032102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMUIqB066585; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMTuDI066021 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bfc.2c5dcf10 (42805) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:29:47 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 57 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78429587-dafd-4ac6-9323-3853f1e10bcc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B21E18.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:30:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO that Valkyria figure next to the photo with the shawl Those little Valkyrie figures date from the Migration period and should not be used to extrapolate Viking garb. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:31:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMVYTl023891 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:31:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CMVAa1032717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CMOXxT031500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:24:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMO9eU059543; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMNwh7059328 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id EE41D2E81F0 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 82EAF2E80E3 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C7A240070 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:23:57 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Origin of velvet Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:25:56 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA3BDB1D833070-CE4-1B3C@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Origin of velvet Thread-Index: AchtxBP9lHjVqHP/SfW6gPWGFnh4FAAAZylA References: <200802121901.m1CJ17ot014992@net.indra.com> <8CA3BDB1D833070-CE4-1B3C@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33880d38-880d-4204-b438-556e8bdacbb6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B21E2E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:31:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, it does have a complicated answer. Scholars are still debating it. Try this website: http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Hst-of-Velvet-art.html for a mention of velvet as early as 948 AD in Moorish Spain. But it might have existed on Constantinople earlier, but silk velvet doesn't seem to have been known in Europe before the 12th century. Hope this helps! Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of tearoses@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:10 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Origin of velvet Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, when and where do we first have evidence of it? This is for a story I'm writing rather than a costume I'm building, so any information would be useful.=20 Thanks for your collective wisdom and generosity! Tea Rose ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:44:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMiecC024728 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:44:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CMiV4R006946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:44:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CMiCUK034185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMi6Wt081931; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMhvKL081789 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.77] Received: from [75.46.13.77] (adsl-75-46-13-77.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.77]) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1CMhudT001462 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:43:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <6E383272-1A58-4DEB-864B-A1C8569AC2DD@margospatterns.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B6E46E9-9DA3-4A9F-813C-212902357F25@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:44:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f581416-0bc2-4747-ad63-90cb9ab6ba5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B2214F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:44:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > It might > also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore > undergarments > that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at > present). Indeed. I notice that the reconstruction is worn over a modern bra. It's also interesting that the article says the brooches (called buckles in the article) were worn "centrally" over the breast (which presumably means right over the nipple--ouch), but the same sentence implies that the brooches were generally found at waist level. Perhaps they assume that all Viking women had very large and/or saggy breasts at death? To those who study the drawings of these grave finds: is it true that the brooches generally show up at waist level rather than farther up the torso? I have to say I don't think I've ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory is debunking). I also wonder about Larsson's assertion that what was thought to be the front of the garment was actually the back. I know that archeology is complicated and that the passage of time obscures many things and that fabric is often ignored during excavation, making it difficult to determine where things were later on, but still... Very interesting topic! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:56:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMuoG0025134 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:56:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CMuhKU011126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CMt96X035269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMt6pP093736; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4a.socket.net [216.106.48.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMt3Of093648 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 658473D5B9 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:55:02 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:55:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0B6E46E9-9DA3-4A9F-813C-212902357F25@faucet.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7698de5e-3dc8-4372-a278-ba64f4303ab6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B2242C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:56:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That is more of a "Celtic" and Roman style with tubular apron and no straps. -----Original Message----- I have to say I don't think I've ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory is debunking). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:59:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMxUkq025192 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:59:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CMxORK012227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:59:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CMx5aq035721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMx01F097833; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CMwrCg097722 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD64C38068 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Origin of velvet Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17ot014992@net.indra.com> <8CA3BDB1D833070-CE4-1B3C@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA3BDB1D833070-CE4-1B3C@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802121803.11651.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af942162-256b-449a-af21-c37c987826ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B224CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:59:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a > complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was > invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been > available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, > when and where do we first have evidence of it? This is for a story I'm > writing rather than a costume I'm building, so any information would be > useful. There's an article on this with a brief bibliography from Stefan's Florilegium (a compendium of SCA e-mail posts and articles on various topics): http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Hst-of-Velvet-art.html -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 18:03:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CN3pOi025279 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CN3hku002290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CN1xgk035992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CN1wEK001056; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:01:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CN1qTZ000878 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:01:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.77] Received: from [75.46.13.77] (adsl-75-46-13-77.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.77]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1CN1i5N020405 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:01:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:02:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c1f50bb-df21-4bd8-8ff9-0f41f2399127 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B225D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Do you mean that the collarbone-location style referred to in the article is more like a peplos? Were these large brooches worn with those? The people I mentioned that I've seen were wearing dresses with straps and the brooches somewhere between the collarbone and the nipple. Thanks, Melanie On Feb 12, 2008, at 5:55 PM, otsisto wrote: > That is more of a "Celtic" and Roman style with tubular apron and > no straps. > > -----Original Message----- > I have to say I don't think I've > ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the > collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory > is debunking). > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 18:05:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CN5wu8025313 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:05:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1CN5nOS022062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:05:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1CN4JZj036276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CN4Gur003384; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1CN4A8l003274 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DCC38068 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:08:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:08:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83dee67a-5a14-4880-a451-66c93671771b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B2264D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:05:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Hanna Zickermann wrote: > That=B4s the most beautiful Viking/Rus outfit I=B4ve > seen so far! But when I suggested the look to an > SCA friend for court garb, she pointed out the > little string that holds the upper edge together > quite awquardly, and there would be strain on the > pearl string if you remove that little string. > However, that Valkyria figure next to the photo > with the shawl looks pretty much like that > outfit, but appears to have a small apron or so > in front. Could it be that there were decorative > aprons or bibs that went with this outfit and > were not included in the box found in Russia? What do you think? There's certainly evidence that aprons (i.e., of the type that fastened aro= und=20 the waist and covered the front of the body from the waist down) were worn = in=20 =46inland and other regions around the Baltic. However, it's worth noting that the Pskov find was not trimmed along the op= en=20 long edge, but along the top (with appliqued-on silk strips that were fairl= y=20 wide). The Pskov reconstructionists found stitch holes that they identifie= d=20 with where the fastening loops were sewn on, and this matched up with the=20 direction in which the silk appliques ran. If the Pskov garment were assum= ed=20 to be like the "apron dress" in Larsson's reconstruction, the silk-decorate= d=20 area would hardly have shown in the front at all--it would have run across= =20 the small of the woman's back. =2D-=20 Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 19:55:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D0tVhS028415 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:55:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1D0tOnH017449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:55:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1D0swFQ048773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D0sm5j012021; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D0si0V011885 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D0373B606 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:54:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:55:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f628ed8a-40dd-4ebc-b7cb-85f4222cd9fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B23FFC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds about right. The circular style brooches (Skrydstrup Brooch,scroll down) http://www.nordicarts.com/viking_brooches_01_HUB.htm would more likely have been used but I have seen some at SCA events use the tortoise brooch instead because that is what they had. I have come to understand that brooch style may vary from region to region and sometimes town to town. -----Original Message----- Do you mean that the collarbone-location style referred to in the article is more like a peplos? Were these large brooches worn with those? The people I mentioned that I've seen were wearing dresses with straps and the brooches somewhere between the collarbone and the nipple. Thanks, Melanie On Feb 12, 2008, at 5:55 PM, otsisto wrote: > That is more of a "Celtic" and Roman style with tubular apron and > no straps. > > -----Original Message----- > I have to say I don't think I've > ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the > collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory > is debunking). > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 20:11:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D1BLlZ028724 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:11:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1D1BC2F008855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1D1AVeI050131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:10:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D1AUUD027267; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D1AQoZ027225 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5133438068 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:14:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:14:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <0B6E46E9-9DA3-4A9F-813C-212902357F25@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <0B6E46E9-9DA3-4A9F-813C-212902357F25@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802122014.50542.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c9b09c5-7e8a-481a-a324-7cfabca0bfa4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B243B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:11:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > It might > > also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore > > undergarments > > that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at > > present). > > Indeed. I notice that the reconstruction is worn over a modern bra. The white showing through does indeed look like a modern bra, but if so it's not a particularly supportive one, in light of how low the model's bustline has sagged. > It's also interesting that the article says the brooches (called > buckles in the article) were worn "centrally" over the breast (which > presumably means right over the nipple--ouch) That seems to be Larsson's theory judging from the reconstruction picture. She seems to think this is a better explanation than the shifting of the brooches as the body decomposed in the grave (typically the reason cited for brooches found at waist level)--but note that the model in the picture has large breasts that have sagged low enough to be close to the waist. On a small breasted woman, or a woman whose breasts were supported, or even on a very long-waisted woman, it wouldn't be possible to position the brooches near the natural waist and have them anywhere close to nipple level. > , but the same sentence > implies that the brooches were generally found at waist level. > Perhaps they assume that all Viking women had very large and/or saggy > breasts at death? To those who study the drawings of these grave > finds: is it true that the brooches generally show up at waist level > rather than farther up the torso? It varies. A friend on another list sent photos of two examples of brooches in situ (some of these are reconstructions of how the skeletons & brooches were found): Gotland http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/grave%20plans/HPIM1392.jpg Birka http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/grave%20plans/taf40fig5grave968.jpg Here's a picture I found of the Adwick-le-Street woman's grave, though this is harder to parse, but it is genuinely in situ: http://www.show.me.uk/site/news/STO201.html Reconstruction of a Viking woman's grave from the Isle of Lewis: http://www.cne-siar.gov.uk/school/tolstaprimary/2004site/vikings/vikingsburials2.htm > I have to say I don't think I've > ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the > collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory > is debunking). Depends on what she means by collarbone and where she's measuring from. Possibly it depends on the strap arrangement as well. On my double-wrapped apron dresses the top of the brooches rides near my collarbones (though out toward the end of my collarbones, near the armpits), because the dress is most secure that way. > I also wonder about Larsson's assertion that what was thought to be > the front of the garment was actually the back. I don't buy it for the Pskov find, at least. It would be insane to bother to sew lengths of precious red and blue silk to your linen apron dress and then put that part of the dress at the small of your back, where only cowards sneaking up on you would be likely to see it. > I know that > archeology is complicated and that the passage of time obscures many > things and that fabric is often ignored during excavation, making it > difficult to determine where things were later on, but still... > > Very interesting topic! Indeed. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 12 20:52:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D1qYEd029391 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:52:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1D1qSCN029232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1D1kbRL053565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D1kZgV057614; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D1kVUq057523 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:46:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 7.ce0.25658b3a (34989) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M43 (fwm-m43.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.245]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB012-88ad47b24bed238; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:46:21 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:46:21 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.52 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.52 by FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.245) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:46:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3BF95E54616B-CE0-2693@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] mailing list: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c0dcee6-1717-460f-9c36-0d4c98422d2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B24D5C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:15:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My first reaction is - that looks chilly! Why would you use all that fabric to keep your bum warm and not your torso? It looks more convincing with the shawl, but as Hanna said, the Valkyrie figure seems to have something apron-like in front. My husband has also commented that there is evidence that ordinary women wore tortoise brooches, not just the idle rich, and a train is not very practical when you're working. Anyone read enough Swedish to tell us if the University press release gives any more information? Jean Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. > Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > Beth > > At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: >> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 +0000 >> From: Linda Walton >> >> I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group >> members:- >> >> "Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th >> and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than >> previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was >> Christianized about a century later, women’s dress style became more >> modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." >> >> It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" >> http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ >> >> What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! >> >> Linda Walton, >> (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 02:20:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D7Kq6o010301 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:20:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1D7KfbX026310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:20:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1D7KARe077890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D7JuHe074025; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1D7Jq42073888 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9A4E7503F4; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:17:56 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <010201c86e10$cd60bba0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchtuM/uZXYn2hGbTL2Oo8lUUUyK8AAV9BTg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b86faec5-8dd2-4603-a8a6-32d85579845f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B29A49.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:20:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mourning underwear. Black petticoat for wearing under Ren dress so the dirt doesn't show as much as with lighter fabrics. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of FyneHats2@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:21 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on clearance for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question to the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involved in Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardian. There is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities. Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:16:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What fun! And you look grande as usual. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Lövsta Gård in Sweden Gustafs Skål invited to a small winter party at Lövsta Gård on the second of february this year. It was very cosy and intimate because we were not as manny people as usually when they invite to partys at Beatelund. I compleately forgot to take pictures, but a lady borrowed my camera, and ended up with these pictures: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/lovstagard.htm The party started at 3 o clock in the afternoon, but the people i drowe with, had to work to afternoon, so we came a little late, about 5.30. It was very far out in the countryside, and it was a snowblitz, but we came safely to the place. A charming old farm with lovely interriors in the 18th century style. Wonderfull food and wonderfull entertaintment, dansing and gambling, killed the night. Thanks to the organisers and the wonderfull place they found. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 09:47:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DElUij002377 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:47:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DElO5M021662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DEktRM017142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:46:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DEkp65086969; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DEkig9086808 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W36 ([65.55.138.71]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:46:39 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <021220082123.25188.47B20E60000B055A0000626422068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> References: <021220082123.25188.47B20E60000B055A0000626422068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2008 14:46:40.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E0BEDA0:01C86E4F] X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74098949-d9dd-430d-b389-f8bfb7d3a790 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B302FC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:47:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Black is pretty ubiquitous amongst the upper class. The color was one of t= he more expensive ones to manufacture and maintain. Check out the "Golden = Age" of Dutch painting for instance. Also, it was supposedly one of Queen = Elizabeth's favorites - next to white. I'd say your only challenge is the = amount you have. Not quite enough for a whole outfit, but surely a skirt o= r bodice which could be coordinated with something else. Sg > From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:23:44 +0000 > CC:=20 >=20 > My first thought would be to go with the late Victorian/Edwardian. You ha= ve to be careful with mourning customs earlier, but thanks to Queen Victori= a, by then it had become fashionable to spend your life in mourning -- or j= ust look like you were. And 5 1/3 yards might get you to a late Vict. gown = or walking suit or walking skirt -- probably too little for a mid-century g= iant hoopskirt, but once they narrow back down again somewhat you're in the= ballpark.=20 > Anyway, enjoy!=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: FyneHats2@aol.com=20 >=20 > > I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on cleara= nce=20 > > for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I= =20 > > thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My que= stion=20 > > to=20 > > the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as wel= l, but=20 > > what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black?=20 > > Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involve= d in=20 > > Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardia= n.=20 > > There=20 > > is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities.=20 > >=20 > > Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom.=20 > >=20 > > Donna Scarfe=20 > > Fyne Hats By Felicity=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Gramm= y=20 > > Awards. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Other then make a nice summer formal suit, how about this? http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/JTintorettoPOALady.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 15:43:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DKhLDD011462 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:43:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DKhDZr024375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:43:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DKgkAj067761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DKgc4g032631; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DKgRsd032374 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:42:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.be9.28835076 (34893) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-db06 (webmail-db06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.71]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA012-884d47b35626171; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:42:14 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:42:14 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.86.75.235 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 209.86.75.235 by webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3C980C852215-5D0-DC9@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Black Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8359f24-f38c-4f20-9bc2-8692f5ee0ab0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B35661.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:43:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello all, I am new to the list and this is my first post! :) In regards to the dilemma with what to do with the 5 plus yards of black linen, I know from experience that when something good like that lands on your lap it's very hard to chose a project with it later, my bins are full of about 5 yd cuts of absolutely gorgeous satins and laces that I am afraid to use because there is only enough for one dainty outfit and then it's gone. When the black linen comes to mind, the late Victorian or Edwardian period definitely is a good era to use it on, so many suits and things were made with black linen. In fact, the dress Rose's mother is wearing in the scene when they are touring the ship comes to mind also. You can make a slim walking suit with that and use a white silk and light coloured or even brightly coloured lace in addition to that. I need some advice on accessory making, particularly hats. I have only made one hat and it was entirely without the assistance of a purchased pattern. I would like to start making more Victorian and Edwardian era small accessories as well, not just garments though I am not sure where to start or what formal techniques other costumers use! Do the majority who have made them use both patterns and techniques acquired from a hat making class? Justine:) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 17:21:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DMLIa0014534 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:21:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DMLBDv018488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DMKXxq081028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DMKL19051721; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DMKEtf051348 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:20:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.227.73] Received: from [75.45.227.73] (adsl-75-45-227-73.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.227.73]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1DMK40j032532 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:20:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <8CA3C980C852215-5D0-DC9@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3C980C852215-5D0-DC9@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Black Linen Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:21:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41ffc66a-dd56-475b-85d6-da94da19173e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B36D57.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:21:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:42 PM, ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > h I am not sure where to start or what formal techniques other > costumers use! Do the majority who have made them use both patterns > and techniques acquired from a hat making class? I am not familiar with historical Victorian millinery techniques, but a great book with clear instructions for theatrical techniques is _From the Neck Up_ by Denise Dreher. It's not too expensive, and it's fairly easy to use. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 18:13:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNDtIn016119 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DNDn11026253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:13:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DNDUcA086567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNDSPB011987; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1DNDPC6011876 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95377 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 23:13:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R+VW2sw3y/DTO31osKrEPQnCjtzjHU00E5Ji8QDfJDcpCC9XvXmjJqRHl5LrgX9GOCQN81QGRdTBT0sKd5AId7Fnl93AIgoPtQRiOdepID/S5eu8dJKaEopDav6PTbn3L8AbEgrOX2jQGkTv2F5Hwa+OHfVtBdKggnrR7BZ+Ej0=; X-YMail-OSG: betjGRIVM1kY33A3t69bM.TGXvcNV5rwGLn9uL0LaYbVmQStWgckLkMx4WKAiiH9SQamBifz.egcFAXTz1m5b9ewHIb1bBMC9YzlRWemYO0sJEq0RBw- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:13:20 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:13:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8CA3C980C852215-5D0-DC9@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <99631.94951.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] millinery (was: Black Linen) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7dcc1366-8323-4e13-873a-1724340fc74b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B379AD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:13:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Greetings Justine, and welcome to the group. I learned from two sources, the first is the book already mentioned, "From the Neck Up". A really good book imo. The other source was from patterns and a class with Lynn McMasters, who has Victorian era hat patterns with full instructions. http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/ Kimiko --- ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > I need some advice on accessory making, particularly > hats. I have only > made one hat and it was entirely without the > assistance of a purchased > pattern. I would like to start making more Victorian > and Edwardian era > small accessories as well, not just garments though > I am not sure where > to start or what formal techniques other costumers > use! Do the majority > who have made them use both patterns and techniques > acquired from a hat > making class? > Justine:) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 18:16:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNGEDC016170 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DNG7i5003803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DNFs3I086721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNFred014317; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:15:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNFnAG014202 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d22.1bb1a818 (48552) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:15:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:15:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Black Linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b40e65a1-70be-4c09-9717-975531f3b50a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B37A37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/13/2008 5:21:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: I am not familiar with historical Victorian millinery techniques, but a great book with clear instructions for theatrical techniques is _From the Neck Up_ by Denise Dreher. It's not too expensive, and it's fairly easy to use. *********************************** Hats are hats. The "theatrical" methods are often the REAL methods because many hats, especially big elaborate ones, are a "make it work" affair. I have a bunch of period bonnets from the 1840's and 50's that my long ago roommate collected and we just couldn't throw out.... they are all rotting and falling apart. No you cannot wear them or fix them, BUT you can see their innards and see how they were made. Lots of cardboard and wire. And some of the most amazing and clever decoration you've ever seen [why my roommate wouldn't throw them out] There's one simple oyster colored silk bonnet [covering a cardboard and wire frame] decorated with the most realistic wild morning glories, made of paper, you've ever seem Very fine and delicate. My fave is a bonnet that is formed from a wire frame that is like an open mesh. Woven into the frame in geometric patterns are long bias strips of blue-grey silk organdy.... which curl up into tubes. On one side is a cluster of loops of the tubular organdy strips. It's light as a feather and translucent. 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(http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 18:19:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNJcJL016256 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:19:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DNJWY5005593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DNJKxL087179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNJJEQ017557; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNJDvi017397 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AA875DA0292; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:17:27 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8CA3C980C852215-5D0-DC9@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Black Linen Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:19:12 -0800 Message-ID: <006901c86e96$d9c27a10$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchugO4f1DH26VXATzO155mOHZqmKwAFXRNw In-Reply-To: <8CA3C980C852215-5D0-DC9@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b95fb359-5253-46ef-8713-8216152f1c03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B37B04.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where are you located? I ask because there are some Victorian costume classes about to start around here (San Francisco bay area). It is a series of classes, starting with underwear and moving on to the outer garments, meant for folks who wish to make their own costume for the Dickens Fair (1840-1860-ish). If you are interested, I'll send you the info. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Black Linen Hello all, I am new to the list and this is my first post! :) In regards to the dilemma with what to do with the 5 plus yards of black linen, I know from experience that when something good like that lands on your lap it's very hard to chose a project with it later, my bins are full of about 5 yd cuts of absolutely gorgeous satins and laces that I am afraid to use because there is only enough for one dainty outfit and then it's gone. When the black linen comes to mind, the late Victorian or Edwardian period definitely is a good era to use it on, so many suits and things were made with black linen. In fact, the dress Rose's mother is wearing in the scene when they are touring the ship comes to mind also. You can make a slim walking suit with that and use a white silk and light coloured or even brightly coloured lace in addition to that. I need some advice on accessory making, particularly hats. I have only made one hat and it was entirely without the assistance of a purchased pattern. I would like to start making more Victorian and Edwardian era small accessories as well, not just garments though I am not sure where to start or what formal techniques other costumers use! Do the majority who have made them use both patterns and techniques acquired from a hat making class? Justine:) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 18:32:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNWV2b016737 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:32:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1DNWMSp009643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:32:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DNW07u088674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNVwRt030097; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1DNVt1N029940 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 65883 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 23:31:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HBsiqjXcsW4YASrk2NDq1t3G3EO9W2Q4MpvxytLr5EVzqiFXu4nNBGJgX4cuajeLmOFwtDLbXkLmfijyNpsNA32tX23YOocIR379URbhCaFeta1gPRB8rNkjS0FiZwwtNPHqtQ1E8oPbIGidUk00ja9I96oMNBzQsWA+jTVoCyI=; X-YMail-OSG: WAgngeUVM1lOjBSnkv9V8B1Fts5rApYrYssBdXKjPUEtHgay5pjJnb0EPAx1b5k2h1QS3KVE9v2Hu66chztTYyLqE16jpFPkd8xXVflOo56Ec2p5ylg- Received: from [68.75.31.189] by web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:31:50 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <273357.64346.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] muckinger construction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3433711f-3567-45fb-9353-3d129b882824 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B37E06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:32:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. The ones shown here are mostly lace trimmed. http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/extanthandkerchiefs.html Is that for both men and women? Ansel wanted a monogram F (Frobisher) in the corner. Were monograms popular at the time? I don't recall that being much of a fashion until later. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 19:00:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E00IYP017752 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:00:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E00CDN010969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1DNxRQL091478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DNxQkN061719; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1DMklJQ082531 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 931FA5505A for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:46:46 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:46:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0801221522p2bce5ffehf7bc6fedcc2d6d7c@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] only five yards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 018e57fe-8dc4-4e7a-89d7-2584f8cb292e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B3848C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:19:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Black is pretty ubiquitous amongst the upper class. The color was one of the more expensive ones to manufacture and maintain. Check out the "Golden Age" of Dutch painting for instance. Also, it was supposedly one of Queen Elizabeth's favorites - next to white. I'd say your only challenge is the amount you have. Not quite enough for a whole outfit, but surely a skirt or bodice which could be coordinated with something else. It's also pretty ubiquitous of the lower classes too:) And middle. But usually in wool and silk. 5 and 1/3 yards is pretty close to 5m and I used that much of red linen to make my Cleves ensemble easily:) Big sleeves and all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91424360@N00/2179604210/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/91424360@N00/2178837383/ (the skirts rurn nack but are made to overlap by about 4" when closed.... yes perspective is way off in the pic I tried to correct for it but it didn't work!) I could probably have used even less because the back is two full width of the fabric with no shaping. I also have half length sleeves that the full sleeves pin to. I just folded my fabric in half and cut gored panels for the front, with piecing as you see in Alcega and the extant gowns: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91424360@N00/2165083275/ I could have topped and tailed the pieces too to avoid that seam, but I like it:) Each sleeve length is half the fabric width so I got both sleeves from about 90cm of fabric. It worked out as: 3X 1.2m for the skirt (3.6m) (a little too much reallt and I wound up with some strips left over) 80-90cm for the sleeves (so 4.4-4.5 for skirt and sleeves) 50-60cm for the bodice and half length sleeves. This was 150cm wide fabric (60") so I was able to use that little. For a narrower fabric I would have plotted to get more shaping in the back of the skirt to be able to get my full sleeves or just made a short sleeved gown only. I also have 6m of wide wool in cream to get through and I'm thinking surcoat and kirtle..... regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com (I have also made full gowns from double to queen sized blankets so had to learn to use period cutting to make best use of fabric!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 20:20:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E1KuQ7019981 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:20:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E1Kopu029757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:20:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E1KVls099240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E1KSdU031027; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E1KJ1G030914 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1045101ugd.17 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:20:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Szjsh2nc81vMlUfPLZNhTpdnAYec0RMIfDl69tm/TJM=; b=fP+t5ymmAXn0ntfCSd49xWiGJyJnjFgVsAcR6tHJeydBPM1YHGsAKY5QGgmlMZmiv99EfBSzbUBJvTaKsjyDLPw9SdC2lndUYkxh1ahPWr4Mydcx1GHZwekROtT8wVIRGqCyXjJDNiNRdbaSpV7o1fp72eO5DEg+zYWinfFudbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bWjGBoUypKzyh1FEaBMRtaXUtD15+39xea3nsuowFRNChEi2Y9sdgjHFeJGaPE/bdPq3EHG7WHBZLk/kMGaOeYwXpVMUdSnF18GWo3pdsauYLfWi4dDy30DolAvSfSBGlQxCfqGh4ghUPlf6RykrOFgzoCeKQwm9ydDNaYuGzLc= Received: by 10.67.122.10 with SMTP id z10mr2639037ugm.44.1202952018581; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.242.8 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:20:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0802131720w1e0d2e59ra577862ad3a17c79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:20:18 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0802131719o22d1d058m69e6ffcd960fbee9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <021220082123.25188.47B20E60000B055A0000626422068246939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> <73fb7a5f0802131719o22d1d058m69e6ffcd960fbee9@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18613561-dd1d-473d-8276-7b970619998a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B39772.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:20:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91424360@N00/2179604210/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91424360@N00/2178837383/ (the skirts rurn > nack but are made to overlap by about 4" when closed.... yes > perspective is way off in the pic I tried to correct for it but it > didn't work!) Oy, typos got through.. make that "skirts turn back" Michaela de Bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 21:15:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2FO3J021438 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:15:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E2FGLN001316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:15:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E0HpMI093313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E0HpmM078995; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta32.charter.net (216-33-127-88.charter.net [216.33.127.88] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E0HlHV078875 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta32.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080214001738.RYVZ26394.mta32.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:17:38 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080214001737.WYJT14098.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:17:37 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <273357.64346.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] muckinger construction Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:17:33 -0600 Message-ID: <003801c86e9e$fed10b20$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <273357.64346.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AchumNNZNwxovWEiR6SN1ng0cYjqjgABaaXg X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3916d9b9-f412-4582-950a-47ff6837c575 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B3A434.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:15:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, my husband and I usually pick up hankies at garage sales and use them. However, we are middle-class working folks, so lots of lace and embroidery wouldn't be a good choice for us. I would say a square of linen, hemmed (maybe with hem-stitch?) and a bit of embroidery would be fine...lace if he wants to be pretensious or "make an impression" with the nobles. Remember, lace is EXPENSIVE at this time, so he would have paid a pretty penny (or pound!) for it. I'm not really sure about the monogram. I can offer, if interested, blackworking a muckinger for you/him. Contact me privately if you're interested! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence at the Dirty Duck Inn Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:32 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] muckinger construction > > I have a quick question for those of you who go to the > Bristol Ren Faire. > > Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger > which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer > embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking > that the double layer was to cover the back of machine > embroidery stitching. > > Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I > did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the > examples shown were double layered. > > The ones shown here are mostly lace trimmed. > http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/extanthandkerchiefs.html > Is that for both men and women? Ansel wanted a monogram F > (Frobisher) in the corner. Were monograms popular at the > time? I don't recall that being much of a fashion until later. > > Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between > the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 21:38:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2c2XL021969 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:38:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E2bu2o000982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:38:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E2bEkd006056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2bBWk086363; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2b63I086308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-251.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E2b51R003427 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:37:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <065F1F2F-C054-4A61-A8EF-EB43D86B879D@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume From: Suzanne Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:37:04 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5805/Wed Feb 13 16:29:12 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] digest 57? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f43cefc3-7eb1-4a61-b1ad-a7dc3088678b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B3A984.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:38:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear friends, Was there a Digest issue 57? I certainly didn't receive it, but I seem to be reading responses to messages in it.... Would someone be so kind as to forward number 57, assuming it really exists? Thanks! Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 13 21:54:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2sVjc022500 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:54:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E2sHdr008599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:54:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E2rnQK007297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2rmwE097421; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E2rjDx097383 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F36725506B for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:53:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] muckinger construction Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:53:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <273357.64346.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77022939-e503-4588-87f5-e1ea00d2985b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B3AD5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:54:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -----Original Message----- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. The ones shown here are mostly lace trimmed. http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/extanthandkerchiefs.html Is that for both men and women? Ansel wanted a monogram F (Frobisher) in the corner. Were monograms popular at the time? I don't recall that being much of a fashion until later. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 00:03:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E53dCG026808 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:03:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E53XnW031557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:03:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E532Sb017128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E52xZk087115; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E52tlb087081 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 36C873B632 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:02:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:02:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <366499.50330.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1750 embroidered purse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 968b57fd-357b-4961-a4df-6a96493f2d01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B3CBA5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:03:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.antiquedress.com/item9923.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 00:30:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E5UwkC027593 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:30:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E5Uqon022232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E5UZAY019049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:30:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E5UXXp006632; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E5UTXL006586 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A989B3B54E for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:30:28 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:30:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <366499.50330.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1882 gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b14c6d2-aea8-4dbf-a903-c986b2d942cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B3D20C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:30:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thought some would want to see this before it went bye bye. http://www.antiquedress.com/item6179.htm #6179 - c. 1882 Black Silk Taffeta Bustle Gown! Near Mint Condition! Like new! Really... it's unbelievable that this is over 120 years old! Wonderfully elaborate with all the bells and whistles you would want in a bustle gown - pleats, swags, bows, tucks, fringed gathered rosettes, crochet buttons, etc., etc. Just take the time to look at the close-up photos of all the detailing (click on photo at left). Even has things you didn't know you wanted, like the skirt having a hidden pocket under one of the tiers of lace. The cuffs are great - like little ribbon tied gifts. The bodice is boned also with a hidden inside pocket. Measures: 32" bust (fits more like a 30" bust due to 12" across back), tight ribcage, 26/27" waist, 40" long skirt from waist to hem. Could certainly have been a half-mourning gown due to the black silk taffeta and white tulle trim at cuffs and neck. Shown over a bustle not included. For display, you would only have to stuff the backside with cotton or tissue for the right look if you don't have a bustle. One of those elaborate pieces you can get lost in while looking at all the detailing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 01:46:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E6kuGv029756 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E6knSo023632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E6kNxE023668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E6kLsV052021; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E6kHYn051936 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:46:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c60.21d3da5e (34896) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA05 (webmail-ma05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.69]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA015-885047b3e3b03c1; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:08 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:08 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.228 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.228 by WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.69) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:08 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3CEC69DD615F-D24-192C@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Millinery: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d0db439-8146-4376-8e65-be3b769d30e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B3E3D9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In regards to where I am located, unfortunately for the sake of historical costuming/dancing, I was born in the wrong place it seems. I am in the oldest region of the US, Philadelphia area, and it is absolutely dry in terms of places not only to take classes on any sort of Victorian or period costuming, but there aren't any events that happen in this immediate area to wear them to. Nothing good is less than 3 hours from here in any direction so it is hard to get to places that hold ongoing classes. In fact, it seems only the west coast offers the best variety, I was considering going to the costume college this spring but it was sold out, maybe next year. About the hats, there are a couple in my possession that are opened underneath and you can see the innerds, they usually tend to be made up much in the same way, with a wire frame and buckram or some sort of hay stuffing. Were there specific rules to those things in those days or did the milliners just make them the best they could using their own skills to replicate the latest fashions I wonder? The tricky part seems to be creating hats or bonnets with asymetrical frames, moreso to cover them with fabrics such as velvet where the material seemed to perfectly fitted. The trimmings were so unusual at times, I have a tiny little bonnet that is overflowing with an assortment of trims, many of which I don't think I could even identify! It's hard to find such trimmings in the modern market. There are little tiny metal balls in the size of peas dangling all over, stiff curly thin gold stems sticking out all over, the usual vibrant coloured silk foliage, lace, velvet tabs, etc. Thank you for the suggestion on the book by Denise Dreher, that will be the next Amazon search. Goodnight:) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 02:55:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E7tmaA021621 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:55:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E7tbs4006616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:55:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E7stmE027792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E7sqCW002862; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E7smHw002702 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pKfi1Y0050QkzPwA301w00; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:54:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pKuT1Y0053kY7qX8N00000; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:54:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LExh6vVmAAAA:8 a=SIVjYxs_SSR0GJfZhuoA:9 a=pcrzaL9w9uxTDA5CJwDQmq5qGgsA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=K17tel1fZpIA:10 Message-ID: <47B3F3B1.4080500@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:54:25 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Millinery: References: <8CA3CEC69DD615F-D24-192C@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA3CEC69DD615F-D24-192C@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc23b887-28a2-471a-8706-f1df60b0f8b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B3F3F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:55:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,URIBL_GREY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > In regards to where I am located, unfortunately for the sake of > historical costuming/dancing, I was born in the wrong place it seems. > I am in the oldest region of the US, Philadelphia area, and it is > absolutely dry in terms of places not only to take classes on any sort > of Victorian or period costuming, but there aren't any events that > happen in this immediate area to wear them to. Nothing good is less > than 3 hours from here in any direction so it is hard to get to places > that hold ongoing classes. In fact, it seems only the west coast > offers the best variety, I was considering going to the costume > college this spring but it was sold out, maybe next year. You're more in Rev & Regency territory, with a bit of mid-Victorian from the Civil War folks. Contact the Delaware Valley Costumers' Guild. http://dvcg.bravehost.com/ I'm not sure if Sandy will be able to respond; the last I talked to him he was really sick. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 04:22:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E9M31e000556 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:22:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1E9LvBR031686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1E9LTJZ028789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E9LPOa050800; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:21:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1E9LLr9050708 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.63981390; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:21:06 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m1E9L2O21996.; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:21:06 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:21:01 +0000 Message-Id: <47B407F602000014000E28C6@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:20:54 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200802140254.m1E2rpOi097473@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802140254.m1E2rpOi097473@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Muckinger construction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a225345-fc0e-41ce-8900-d0d8fba86b72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B40835.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Otsisto wrote: Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -----Original Message----- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- I've seen it spelled "muckinder" (in the Cunnington 17th century book). A = Google search on that brings up several definitions, mainly calling it a = child's handkerchief worn attached to the clothing. I don't think the = double layer construction is essential. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 08:48:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EDmVn2028378 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:48:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EDmOVQ010353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EDlc7g082142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EDlYvx061907; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1EDlVjt061804 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABD5JTUUAJPRVCS for (sender ); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:46:58 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xdxo8HByLLAnI2qAQxm8Z2zaEOjXmT1Pg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NBWR7CHH; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:46:12 PST Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:45:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:45:54 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Muckinger construction X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080214.074554.12718.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3100613479 X-MAIL-INFO: 3ae0607460e5bdf0e5bd7571bd75a57dd5c55569cd65c5518425cd055111906451800185e035e029157559bde071401db0799124a491a4a524a4d114f0202581ed0ded0c9531b59545a9a93db5b9891d79096495b091e4a5b524adada0018024b0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.153|webmail13.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b68d267d-37a6-4255-b073-f1da86bdc3cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B446A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:48:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The term 'muckinger' is just an Elizabethan term for 'handkercheif'. The= re's no special construction implied. The double layered-ness is, as you= suspected, a modern cheat so that machine embroidery can be used. In pe= riod a muckinger might be plain linen or it might have a lace edge or a = bit of blackwork around the edge. You are also right in that initials ar= en't really done that much in period. If there's a symbol Ansel likes to= use as a personal 'device', it would be more appropriate to have that e= mbroidered on it. = = Karen Seamstrix Philadelphia, Lady Scrope BRF, Guild of St. George -- "Kate M Bunting" wrote: Otsisto wrote: Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This = is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -----Original Message----- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------- I've seen it spelled "muckinder" (in the Cunnington 17th century book). = A Google search on that brings up several definitions, mainly calling it= a child's handkerchief worn attached to the clothing. I don't think the= double layer construction is essential. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXPqEZg2JjtrIYvUMWC= aKbT5ijRu5WoXx8Yxulaj3rTQs/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 08:49:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EDnOVK028414 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:49:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EDnFf2026223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:49:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EBu04k066456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:56:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EBto1Y083771; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EBtkdH083528 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080214115544.JCKA13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:55:44 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.57]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:55:44 +0100 Message-ID: <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:55:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.57] at Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:55:43 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001a01c86f00$866b6f10$3914a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60f0f8e2-fa7a-4c53-9538-e1a8d61d8e69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B446DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am = pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 09:15:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EEFvFQ028983 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:15:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EEFfTM015837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:15:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EEFHnk084964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EEEhsJ081618; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EEEbEF081513 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:16:23 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02CD0764@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] new waistcoat Thread-Index: AchvAOTkt4jXuEhTSP2vbUpdsX2WigAEzBlA References: <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2008 14:16:23.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DD51EF0:01C86F14] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 854ca0c7-2f01-4a22-a0d7-891ebf8f2d48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B44D0D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 12:45:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EHjNhq001046 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:45:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EHjCL0021971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EHiVC7013148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:44:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EHiQRV001324; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EHiL1Q001128 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c68.21dd9108 (37559) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MB06 (webmail-mb06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.154]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB038-92b747b47de910f; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:44:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:44:08 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.60.147 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.60.147 by WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.154) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:44:08 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3D48560E4D5E-D10-4094@WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Waistcoat: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdf7b97e-187c-4705-a7cd-c3d7090dc7d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B47E28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm" ______________________________________________ That is absolutely stunning, is the embroidery hand done or by machine?? There's an art I would love to learn. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 14:14:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EJEWjE003153 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:14:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EJEOJn001455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EJDon4026855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:13:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EJDjkK011796; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1EJDfPJ011593 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 23563 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 19:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:13:35 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c86f3d$b9495c20$ad0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AchvAKudrdSpyGZvSLySj9CFvQmqOwAPN9wg In-Reply-To: <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f094120-3525-4a6d-b991-b46ccef66af7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B49310.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:14:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ooooo, Bjarne, just saw the pictures on LJ - I am SO coveting this. It is beautiful! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 14:25:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EJPQ7G003367 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:25:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EJPKSj031099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:25:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EJOfnB028160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EJOd0p023891; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EJOYN9023798 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080214192433.KROL29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:24:33 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.109]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080214192433.UGKS4630.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:24:33 +0100 Message-ID: <20080214192433.UGKS4630.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080214175115.HDOV1539.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waistcoat: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:24:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.63.231.109] at Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:24:32 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001001c86f3f$39835430$6de73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d4a6a2c-6afd-42ee-b964-0995d197e8a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B495A0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Manny thanks. The embroidery surely is hand done. No machine here. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Waistcoat: > "Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I > am > pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm" > > ______________________________________________ > > That is absolutely stunning, is the embroidery hand done or by > machine?? There's an art I would love to learn. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:40:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anyone who can embroider ultimately has my respect. It is amazing what that embellishment can do for any project, how it can alter it so much in appearance. A lady friend of mine brought some of her Chinese antiques for display at our China themed tea and what she had was amazing. She bought them there years ago for a song and are probably worth over a thousand dollars! She had a skirt going back to the 1800s (not sure which dynasty that would have been) but let me tell you.. it was made of a series of different coloured silk panels all pleated over one another vertically, and each panel was hand embroidered the full length!! She had many peices of the same quality and all the embroidery was done by hand and it was so fine, that you could NOT find a single knot on the back, the embroidery was reversible!! We guessed that the artists must have used a continuous stitch but the use of colours in each design was immense so it's mind boggling trying to understand how. There was a peice of embroidery that was a decorative piece, it was a little white cat chasing a grasshopper but it was set in round glass with a round wooden frame and stand and all there was was the cat and the grasshopper further down, they weren't even connected and it was too reversible, it looked so real the rendering of the fur! ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 15:43:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKhjOf004784 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:43:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EKhcKe016944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EKhB3H038788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKh8nW011270; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKh4uq011166 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:43:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so517339ele.3 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:42:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FN6k339iXZfdxCEwLSbQfHsUMRxIhxDJJE68ZemeyDQ=; b=foac/DHnJ9K8Xy+/cYt500v1NjSiRNnUL4wg4IsZle2Ys9aitI3fJONmDYWkVVZw9RYTf2QWSDLxUNW1JSUIxLbTyWWC0iMHVLBxBH3Z+wEn/bhk0ODlkTxYNhvhHKZrbDP/+OU5Lj208pgWrFwL6znFZvhj4Il61i8rhQNjhWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N1bQFtmJDAZidh6dYX7x2oeTnlt4pZ6JF9zTNLn26eNf7J4wlEcyyG9yYl5tfVyasmM6F6+UwRvRkeprui/3qDt8oK6WS/RsBzSTKQUl25w6IhINgOht5H40RfVWXXkIguqQsSQqvzbbmFSlLqv14eh5sNARkTYqg4aSXnpNh3c= Received: by 10.142.158.17 with SMTP id g17mr1579188wfe.127.1203021772864; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.16 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:42:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:42:52 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] new waistcoat In-Reply-To: <000101c86f3d$b9495c20$ad0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <000101c86f3d$b9495c20$ad0d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1c9e57c-2d6d-4de2-84f3-d8d9fd5e6a2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B4A7FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:43:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It is beautiful! A friend just embroidered an 18th C Frockcoat I am sewing - I will take photos soon to share, but we are both very inspired by your work! Regards, Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Frank A Thallas Jr < fathallas@collinscom.net> wrote: > Ooooo, Bjarne, just saw the pictures on LJ - I am SO coveting this. It > is > beautiful! > > Liadain > > THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO > wildernesse, the Outlands > http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat > > Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am > pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 15:45:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKjFJK004810 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:45:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EKj7GX018149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EKdfPw038358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKdbGB007468; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EHqIC8010816 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce1.223ff4b6 (34978) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA083-88a247b47fc01b4; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:52:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8CA3CEC69DD615F-D24-192C@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3CEC69DD615F-D24-192C@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <5c28e2323048c282b325ca64af42f39b@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Millinery: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:51:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 1b73e1ba-7d77-412e-841d-cb1e27758d98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B4A853.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:45:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lady Bean, Cape May NJ is relatively close to you. It is a wonderful source for =20 Victorian Items. It is a long trip from northern NJ, but a few of my =20 friends go to Cape May at various times during the year for fabulous =20 Weekend dances and activities-dressed in Victorian Attire, of course. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:46 AM, ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > In regards to where I am located, unfortunately for the sake of =20 > historical costuming/dancing, I was born in the wrong place it seems. =20 > I am in the oldest region of the US, Philadelphia area, and it is =20 > absolutely dry in terms of places not only to take classes on any sort =20 > of Victorian or period costuming, but there aren't any events that =20 > happen in this immediate area to wear them to. Nothing good is less =20 > than 3 hours from here in any direction so it is hard to get to places =20 > that hold ongoing classes. In fact, it seems only the west coast =20 > offers the best variety, I was considering going to the costume =20 > college this spring but it was sold out, maybe next year. > About the hats, there are a couple in my possession that are opened =20 > underneath and you can see the innerds, they usually tend to be made =20 > up much in the same way, with a wire frame and buckram or some sort of =20 > hay stuffing. Were there specific rules to those things in those days =20 > or did the milliners just make them the best they could using their =20 > own skills to replicate the latest fashions I wonder? The tricky part =20 > seems to be creating hats or bonnets with asymetrical frames, moreso =20 > to cover them with fabrics such as velvet where the material seemed to =20 > perfectly fitted. The trimmings were so unusual at times, I have a =20 > tiny little bonnet that is overflowing with an assortment of trims, =20 > many of which I don't think I could even identify! It's hard to find =20 > such trimmings in the modern market. There are little tiny metal balls =20 > in the size of peas dangling all over, stiff curly thin gold stems =20 > sticking out all over, the usual vibrant coloured silk foliage, lace, =20 > velvet tabs, etc. Thank you for the suggestion on the book by Denise =20 > Dreher, that will be the next Amazon search. Goodnight:) > > > _______________________________________________________________________=20 > _ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - =20 > http://webmail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 15:50:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKoh5h004883 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:50:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EKobmC005716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:50:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EKo7V5039710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKo66U019045; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.49]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1EKo13a018851 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 69866 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2008 20:49:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Se9zULRGdL4BmYQwOZ+wWqpZG55Sf/YhXQ4vSt8wbKRKgxu/vpor+N7u+NlwALc7ksMGT12b9DpgGlPDsujOJnjm89AR8ncoUCMDJSW3hNPzmx9lc+7hKrOL93TXXNdeJ+XDFAWgCESBGOP7/tfKBF6PEHS4fu8SnOYHE8XFxzE=; X-YMail-OSG: 5N3cFj8VM1mUosW_GJ7.X329IBnpClBW8WzJajXbXoCg5R8B6G88QUKFR_ISOHUXP6PuDanzLQO2dUK2J1caXo7lXu9AnqETthEjjdssItmFWN1l Received: from [82.112.148.95] by web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:49:56 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:49:56 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000101c86f3d$b9495c20$ad0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <95137.68802.qm@web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e46ef280-a993-45df-9bd4-fa5850c3a0e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B4A99D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:50:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne, as always, your workmanship - nay - craftsmanship of genius is absolutely stunning! Julian & Sally Wilson, in "old" Jersey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 15:51:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKpYlL004899 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1EKpSnA015431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1EKk5Rh039201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1EKk22v014510; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1EKjvYp014373 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92210 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2008 20:45:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2U7umuuA2smqrBE505412j3kKQ3eu8MJKPOKgK8O6e9rjbKOcO1wT1lhM2JpWJuPX8HpogkXZ5qC8sLnc/vWM8z3D9wYprJL7l+QIHuHOm+k4oROqo3pIkBxaxIAtNNki6rs+/aM4tDl3Z6B0MDPDBvsKT39O18xUGgZmQVWzd4=; X-YMail-OSG: 2tdnJoQVM1loq_141o3K_.HmsqJVrc07jVzcn8HUa2bmIVg7Z5shQWNdKmPs_kpKwdfoaGLuf_yHgUw7zL6mlUROzx14aby2.QcACHEsroke50qKlwk- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:45:56 PST Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8CA3D5875D8CCD5-1500-68D@WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <811347.92090.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c04642fc-5e63-433a-b679-27d35a1df928 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B4A9D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO the chinese uses an arrangement of 3 seed stitches to secure the start and the end of the embroidery thread. In good chinese embroidery there should not be a single knot unless it is pekingeese. Tania ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: Anyone who can embroider ultimately has my respect. It is amazing what that embellishment can do for any project, how it can alter it so much in appearance. A lady friend of mine brought some of her Chinese antiques for display at our China themed tea and what she had was amazing. She bought them there years ago for a song and are probably worth over a thousand dollars! She had a skirt going back to the 1800s (not sure which dynasty that would have been) but let me tell you.. it was made of a series of different coloured silk panels all pleated over one another vertically, and each panel was hand embroidered the full length!! She had many peices of the same quality and all the embroidery was done by hand and it was so fine, that you could NOT find a single knot on the back, the embroidery was reversible!! We guessed that the artists must have used a continuous stitch but the use of colours in each design was immense so it's mind boggling trying to understand how. There was a peice of embroidery that was a decorative piece, it was a little white cat chasing a grasshopper but it was set in round glass with a round wooden frame and stand and all there was was the cat and the grasshopper further down, they weren't even connected and it was too reversible, it looked so real the rendering of the fur! ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 16:29:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ELTYYn005551 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:29:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1ELTShb014581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:29:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1ELT28C044590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ELT0PI068083; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ELSvlw067948 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c63.271463cd (34991) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-nb06 (webmail-nb06.sim.aol.com [207.200.69.198]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB014-88af47b4b28e294; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:28:46 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:28:46 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.86.72.153 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 209.86.72.153 by webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com (207.200.69.198) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3D67B70C730E-B74-5AA5@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cape May: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 176f446e-2d33-4dba-9a36-e880fcaea129 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B4B2B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:29:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Susan, it is about three hours from where I am and too far for a one day trip, I suppose staying overnight is a good idea but most of the b&bs and hotels in Cape May have really increased rates because of it being such a tourist area. Can ladies attend the dances without a partner? I was told that it doesn't matter because with dance cards partners change throughout the night anyhow. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 18:16:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ENGOEv011859 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:16:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1ENGHQ7004954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:16:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1ENFmwl055654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ENFi4r082423; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ENFeFP082257 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:15:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d01.254d50eb (37189) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA057-914547b4cb93351; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:15:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8CA3D67B70C730E-B74-5AA5@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3D67B70C730E-B74-5AA5@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <922523e592a8e1f7fb38b51ca99d8e97@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:15:28 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cape May X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f581e5e8-115a-484d-b27e-b5901348f97f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B4CBC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:16:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Justine, I don't go to the dances. I have a horse at home with me and we spend =20 our time and money doing Horse Things while the other ladies and their =20 gentlemen do Costume Things. I am part of a small group that =20 volunteers at Acorn Hall in Morristown. The ladies are very nice and =20 help each other sew Period Correct clothing and make hats for the =20 outfits. Ask your local Historical Society if there is a similar group near you. =20 I found them by accident while touring the Hall. We are in a hotbed =20 of Revolutionary War sites here in NJ, but if you look, you can find =20 Victorian activities. In fact, while the rest of the ladies are =20 hostess-ing at Acorn Hall, I am with other horse friends, riding =20 sidesaddle at Fosterfields Living History Farm during Victorian Weekend =20 in early May, each year. All the ladies that go to the dances do not have a gentleman, so I am =20 sure the dances are open to you. Google Cape May attractions and see =20 what you find! Have fun! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:28 PM, ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > Susan, it is about three hours from where I am and too far for a one =20 > day trip, I suppose staying overnight is a good idea but most of the =20 > b&bs and hotels in Cape May have really increased rates because of it =20 > being such a tourist area. Can ladies attend the dances without a =20 > partner? I was told that it doesn't matter because with dance cards =20 > partners change throughout the night anyhow. > > > _______________________________________________________________________=20 > _ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - =20 > http://webmail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 14 22:58:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1F3w2W0015959 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:58:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1F3vsJi017998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:57:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1F3vQHg081689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1F3vLY3091294; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1F3vIve091258 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD302ADE0298; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:55:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080214115544.TYPX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75><000101c86f3d$b9495c20$ad0d140a@edwardstepobxw> Subject: RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:57:17 -0800 Message-ID: <001901c86f86$dbbb86e0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchvS4G9y7Qjw3xkSxuOLJ+wKa4L/AAOvZHQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33eafc20-40bb-4ab8-ab28-0d078d8e0bff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B50DC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:57:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aylwen, I do Renaissance dancing also. Do you have any videos of your performances? We mostly do Italian and French court dances. Sharon C.(oops, have to add costume content-we do them in period costume) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new waistcoat It is beautiful! A friend just embroidered an 18th C Frockcoat I am sewing - I will take photos soon to share, but we are both very inspired by your work! Regards, Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Frank A Thallas Jr < fathallas@collinscom.net> wrote: > Ooooo, Bjarne, just saw the pictures on LJ - I am SO coveting this. > It is beautiful! > > Liadain > > THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO > wildernesse, the Outlands > http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat > > Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I > am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 15 15:13:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1FKDQNx021986 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:13:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1FKDC7a026000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:13:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1FKCfPX087099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1FKCJh8068053; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1FKCBdS067794 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JQ6vw-0000tY-Q1 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:13:20 -0500 Received: from 4.90.59.128 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:12:05 -0500 Message-ID: <8730354.1203106326243.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:12:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd695de9a62d8f62842bb1e8c05cc059b8ee387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Question of Value or worth (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8b81d3f-d8f9-4552-b1c0-44c382ddfa78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B5F258.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, At the theatre last night I was asked about the value of old sewing machines. I had no idea on this one: a)it works and has the original finish(es), accessories and attachments b)manufactured in Guelph, Ontario, Canada in 1861 by Raymond Sewing Machine c)RSM was purchased in 1912 or 1916 by White Sewing Machine d)treadle powered and shuttle. I haven't seen this yet as I'm busy at the theatre and fighting off my allergies which deplete my energy. I thought I'd ask you collectors if this is worth looking at. Any answers? It was also described as a "heavy old thing." Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 15 15:24:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1FKOwfX022166 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:24:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1FKOqI9002260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1FKONUH088578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:24:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1FKOMZC080706; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1FKOInt080619 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:24:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080215202417.RRJM3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:24:17 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.105]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080215202417.VBJE4630.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:24:17 +0100 Message-ID: <20080215202417.VBJE4630.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:24:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.105] at Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:24:17 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <003301c87010$bcc565a0$6943a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78c13033-9a26-4879-aa78-7658d666f3da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B5F514.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 15 20:52:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1G1qLMa029481 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:52:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1G1q9Ue029391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:52:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1G1pWB9052466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1G1pRba016633; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth17.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth17.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1G1pNJq016539 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: (qmail 27882 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.138.23.201) by smtpauth17.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.29) with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:51:17 -0000 Message-Id: <9A21AA64-9CF7-4C41-B86B-83603EC6A921@benchite.com> From: Megan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8730354.1203106326243.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question of Value or worth (OT) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:51:16 -0500 References: <8730354.1203106326243.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f5e0768-a6ae-4407-92ec-cf764683b774 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B641C9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:52:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ummmmm speaking as a member of the "treadle-on" group, run, do not walk, take pictures and save that thing. Post pictures and send the link to the treadle-on groups so we can identify it and let you know. If it is a working machine that was actually manufactured in 1861, it may be worth some money, but if they are simply reading some patent dates off it it may not be that old. Most old machines are worth whatever somebody would pay for them, but there are a few that are worth substantially more, and there is no way to know without a positive ID, and that takes pictures. Let us know what you find out. To find treadle-on go to www.treadleon.net and look for a link to the mailing list. -Megan On Feb 15, 2008, at 3:12 PM, AVCHASE wrote: > Hi all, > At the theatre last night I was asked about the value of old sewing > machines. I had no idea on this one: > a)it works and has the original finish(es), accessories and > attachments > b)manufactured in Guelph, Ontario, Canada in 1861 by Raymond Sewing > Machine > c)RSM was purchased in 1912 or 1916 by White Sewing Machine > d)treadle powered and shuttle. > > I haven't seen this yet as I'm busy at the theatre and fighting off > my allergies which deplete my energy. I thought I'd ask you > collectors if this is worth looking at. Any answers? > > It was also described as a "heavy old thing." > > Audy > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 16 01:04:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1G648xb000767 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:04:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1G642tD025305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:04:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1G63ELm034441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1G63AJo034929; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1G636Em034818 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb9.26f9e3ce (37146) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DF10 (webmail-df10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.74]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA038-911a47b67c8f3e; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:55 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.88 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.88 by WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.74) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3E78B4EB1A40-1D0-2471@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 179f8916-0843-42ee-8f29-5566f419446b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B67CD2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:04:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Susan, do you do any costuming? You mentioned you are more a horse person so I wondered if you wear any particular riding garb. I have gotten the impression that the Morris Co. historical society is a very active group with a large membership in terms of costuming, dancing, etc. Last year I attended a vintage fashion show and tea in Scranton and many of the attendees and/or participants were from there. As a matter of fact, only a week or two after was their Victorian Fest at Acorn Hall and Fosterfeilds but it was too much travel for our car to make another long trip so I am shooting for this year. I just became a member of the board of directors as well as the chairperson for ways and means at my local historical society, they are fairly active and do try to mix it up but I hope my presence there now may influence the programming and we can integrate more living history programming similar to that of what groups in surrounding areas pursue. It seems the hardest thing is making initial contact with people who share such interests, even moreso in finding anyone willing to participate publicly as if they are too shy to bring their costuming into the public eye or just do not keep such hobbies at all, being that criticism is very harsh around towards people who do something historical. It is heartbreaking and I am sure there are critics everywhere, in other areas though the interest seems to overcome fear of not keeping up with the Jones' so to speak. Every year we have a traveling civil war encampment that comes to a local state park with battles and a camp village with tradespeople and merchants which is great fun. They do not advertise this and even the fact that this is going on all over the park, was unfortunate to overhear a couple of young kids making comments to one of the encampment ladies in costume. I recall the reference to her in her civil war garb as being "princess leah". How nice that you are horse person, horses are wonderful creatures. One day it would be nice to have some land and keep one. Only small pets are easy to keep where I live, it is an almost urban landscape, just we have yards of a bit larger scale than those in the inner city. Do they make costumes for horses? I made costume for my rabbit one Halloween. Take care:) Justine ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 16 16:02:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1GL23d3008453 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:02:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1GL1vjI027042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1GL1HFB009166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:01:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1GL1Aod079532; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1GKYDtd058684 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:35:59 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C870DB.89FB1275" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:34:35 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Thread-Index: AchwYf2vl16OOfjxS42ipV5R87geSAAeVpjC References: <8CA3E78B4EB1A40-1D0-2471@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 20:35:59.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A1D1690:01C870DB] X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1048896-55d9-43ed-88f3-5cf7d6a750fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B74F45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:02:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C870DB.89FB1275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do they make costumes for horses? =20 =20 Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding = (if it isn't armour). =20 Patty=20 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C870DB.89FB1275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C870DB.89FB1275-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 16 17:19:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1GMJcUn010712 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:19:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1GMJStc014365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1GMIp95004734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1GMITeR018955; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1GMHguh017064 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260138068 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:12:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <8CA3E78B4EB1A40-1D0-2471@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802161712.57164.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dec97cce-a7a1-4335-b1f9-cf932d62d61c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B76171.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do they > make costumes for horses? > > Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding (if > it isn't armour). Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider this item from Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=598&c=131 -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 17 03:39:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1H8dS3s024948 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:39:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1H8dKfe005355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:39:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1H8civa007908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1H8ceZW059174; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1H8cUi9059102 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:38:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 339035503C for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:38:30 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:38:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200802161712.57164.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b14e4ba5-f697-465f-a964-1ee1ca33dcc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B7F2B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:39:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed by = many a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding is in = reference to horse armour and camparison is the fabric heraldic = garments. But online I find horse people calling it barding. http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf -----Original Message----- On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do they > make costumes for horses? > > Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding = (if > it isn't armour). Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider = this=20 item from Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=3Dproduct_detail&p=3D598&c=3D= 131 --=20 Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 17 08:31:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HDV2bZ010508 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:31:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1HDUsCB031520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:31:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1HDUBtv037371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HDU3df047165; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HDTw9A046827 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:30:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.224.117] Received: from [75.45.224.117] (adsl-75-45-224-117.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.224.117]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1HDTqgw032117 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:29:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:30:54 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a9b41a9-c75a-4156-b834-d5be8944e0a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B8370E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:31:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think it's spelled caparison, for those who want to search it online. Melanie On Feb 17, 2008, at 3:38 AM, otsisto wrote: > Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed > by many a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding > is in reference to horse armour and camparison is the fabric > heraldic garments. But online I find horse people calling it barding. > http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ > http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf > \ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 17 14:41:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HJf10t017886 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:41:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1HJesHo015096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1HJdeUx077230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HJdau9018750; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HJdX8D018672 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:41:19 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02D23603@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Thread-Index: AchxQNyaxGGrc2ZRQJ+u9kfLzHBmOAAVfUVA References: <200802161712.57164.cathy@thyrsus.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2008 19:41:19.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[119F0EE0:01C8719D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0954280107==" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a10a91c-6d37-4046-a2e9-ec04286d5e81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B88DC6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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"the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying together iij oz di di quarter" "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of garters weying one ounce quarter di" Thanks for any help with this. Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 17 19:28:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I0Sk2Y024437 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:28:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1I0SbtF025880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:28:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1I0RwJ4021378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I0RruB042437; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai05.charter.net (mtai05.charter.net [209.225.8.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I0Romv042340 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mtai05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20080218002744.IJFE26788.mtai05.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:27:44 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080218002743.DBXB14098.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:27:43 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <301473.32324.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] A little help, please. Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:27:41 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c871c5$139f92a0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <301473.32324.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Achxq2Dzc/uk9fnCRu6pT6GWvpcLfwAGWQ8g X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24c58047-3c2f-4f76-99de-c4cbe29c8a5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B8D135.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:28:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It looks to me like it is a number..."d" refers to a number, + "i" which would stand for 1. Yes...here it is: http://literacy.kent.edu/Minigrants/Cinci/romanchart.htm d = 500, so di = 501 ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:55 PM > To: historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] A little help, please. > > Hi all, > > Quick question but I am not understanding something from the > 16th century that I think is an abbreviation or something similar. > > di > > Here are two sentences that use it. > > "the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle of the > curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half gilte with a > sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged Dyamounte like a > sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying together iij oz di di quarter" > > "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of garters > weying one ounce quarter di" > > Thanks for any help with this. > > Kimiko > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > Never miss a thing. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:05:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 10:55 AM 2/17/2008, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Quick question but I am not understanding something >from the 16th century that I think is an abbreviation >or something similar. > >di > >Here are two sentences that use it. > >"the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle >of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half >gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged >Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying >together iij oz di di quarter" > >"a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of >garters weying one ounce quarter di" > >Thanks for any help with this. > >Kimiko It's an abbreviation for "dimidio", or half. In this case , "di di quarter" is 5/8 ounce (one half ounce plus one half of one half ounce). The quarter di" is 3/8 ounce (one quarter ounce plus one half of one quarter ounce). There is a table of measures in QEWU on page 242 that gives the meanings of all these abbreviations. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 17 20:57:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I1vkfw026070 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:57:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1I1veg9024284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:57:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1I1uNl2050993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I1qkLn009171; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1I1qBQ1007589 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53619 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2008 01:51:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QQLbMSbLaGs9BZhhEmTMf9rjeArY7eJutk0GRDbm/JLFfSjxp3+owv9dEhjKAEcpov+ntgCok00XsWkZXR6EXWbR667r+Jsn/EtHj/t1Cm1ZKGc70Qql5EwhEpBA4Z04i1gW3QPcxCYw0Ey7DANl49uyfmMlTFuX/mBGGn72pbM=; X-YMail-OSG: 7wrVoYoVM1m0a8M3Mz.Jmj2gDbYeYPnSIDylV0KDSJcl_Cae4gwwWmbzOXz8jdqLbBOselu1_0Er1cn4t4aaxsejec6umRtvFzAgYfUJOU3GKfmR1qs- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:51:56 PST Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] A little help, please. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <301473.32324.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <250474.53226.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8297711-75e8-4dbc-8348-451839a790ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B8E614.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:57:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you to Melanie, Rebecca, and Joan for your help with this little question. I can now understand what is going on with my reading! And thanks also Joan for letting me know about the reference in QEWU, I will pull that book out for further info on the measurements. Thanks all again, Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 17 23:17:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I4Hhi2028949 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:17:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1I4Hak2002192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:17:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1I4Gagv057492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I4GJYx095289; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I4GG21095209 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c7b.27018b07 (34907) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-da06 (webmail-da06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.201]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA024-885b47b906893a2; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:16:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:16:08 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.56 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.56 by webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:16:08 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3FFC1F40B35E-CA0-3332@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ball dress: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8382fdcb-24f9-4311-8dd7-4c6721f0e30a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B906E0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It is that time, I have to plan making not only my first bustle gown, but probably best if I get a bustle era ball gown knocked out of the way since I do not have one. What is a good pattern to start with? I keep finding a pattern on ebay called Buckaroo Bobbins and it is a pattern for a polonaise and bustle skirt but I am not sure if it would be a good pattern, it could be just as unathentic as the one or two incredibly inaccurate patterns produced by the large companies. The polonaise gown looks easy enough but with out any experience it may be alot harder than thought to be. Would it be best to try out that era first with something simple to get the feel for it? When I do make the ball gown, it isn't going to be an easy 1-2-3 peice like my others to date so maybe if there are any bustlers out there you could share some hints on how to get started and what to avoid/try. Goodnight and thanks, Justine:) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 00:12:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I5Cpmw029820 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:12:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1I5CjZc004497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:12:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1I5CBVW013913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I5C99U076768; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I5C6Wi076695 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so1114649fga.11 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=u30hKNOpSosw6QugXDeDnAAkLwpeO9y1zyfHkCoT5fQ=; b=gpa0MAICKdVZefFrBk5EADPv6N/Gw2TtlJ+FmXAb4mJSe7YuHSbA7PhDuFc3wyaPilkl2SZEA2UjyRWTRYpMcxjOSJTrcHFtKMLyXS+KIRTD8dBdfALPUm6WB6hyVb2P+eWcKdEc411YaTsM2HUgZBGZlcnczhGqJiLcDwLvpUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wWK72bnlLu/iRa+VnHlJIupKWFNO54r3HcwSyB7I0LfDz1YPJDZQb8QVnqqwWS3u1fMvvuUxc/wrf3AJ3v4RyCY6oD81oddIExskSL/Cd0TIlfIlYjGd+gDDB3bmf3CpxxxuI2INs6ImxTHM6E5/c4mV2MEisgVxeVRZVDaihTI= Received: by 10.78.20.13 with SMTP id 13mr8183573hut.70.1203311525782; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0802172112s51f42ab3yae042e3985f2fa24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:05 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ball dress: In-Reply-To: <8CA3FFC1F40B35E-CA0-3332@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA3FFC1F40B35E-CA0-3332@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 555b0697-9db5-4d80-840d-46d120a4425c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B913CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:12:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My two censts is that you peruse the Truly Victorian website. They focus on the bustle era. Their patterns are well researched, fit very well and have excellent instructions. They have everything you'll need, from corset, bustles, underskirts, overskirts and bodices. You can also email them with questions and they are very helpful. Not related but I'm a big fan of their work. LynnD On Feb 17, 2008 8:16 PM, wrote: > It is that time, I have to plan making not only my first bustle gown, > but probably best if I get a bustle era ball gown knocked out of the > way since I do not have one. What is a good pattern to start with? I > keep finding a pattern on ebay called Buckaroo Bobbins and it is a > pattern for a polonaise and bustle skirt but I am not sure if it would > be a good pattern, it could be just as unathentic as the one or two > incredibly inaccurate patterns produced by the large companies. The > polonaise gown looks easy enough but with out any experience it may be > alot harder than thought to be. Would it be best to try out that era > first with something simple to get the feel for it? When I do make the > ball gown, it isn't going to be an easy 1-2-3 peice like my others to > date so maybe if there are any bustlers out there you could share some > hints on how to get started and what to avoid/try. Goodnight and > thanks, Justine:) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Barding or heraldric items..., spelling is the key To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <142452.61145.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0596ca1e-abff-45bf-a06a-86e622ceb969 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B91874.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:32:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The spelling may be throwing people off. According to Mirriam Websters its; "Caparison" no "M" . Main Entry: 1ca·par·i·son Pronunciation: \kə-ˈper-ə-sən, -ˈpa-rə-\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle French caparaçon, from Old Spanish caparazón Date: 1579 1 a: an ornamental covering for a horse b: decorative trappings and harness 2: rich clothing : adornment Melody otsisto wrote: Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed by many a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding is in reference to horse armour and camparison is the fabric heraldic garments. But online I find horse people calling it barding. http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf -----Original Message----- On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do they > make costumes for horses? > > Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding (if > it isn't armour). Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider this item from Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=598&c=131 -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 03:35:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I8ZNcv024952 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:35:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1I8ZGWg026341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:35:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1I8Xjd9044355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I8XdIw004252; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I8XaxM004165 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ca4.2405a2b3 (37118) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M26 (mblk-m26.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.70]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA014-90fe47b942d639d; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:33:26 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:33:26 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.167 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.167 by MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:33:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA402010D45B4C-159C-31FE@MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ball dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed71a4a1-b2bb-4939-8d28-5609dfbacfea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47B94344.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:35:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you Lynn for your advice, TV patterns have a good vibe about them, people who use them seem satisfied and being that you said they have good instructions makes me all the more certain that that will be where my patterns are purchased from. Ageless has all the same patterns they do, not sure which of their patterns classify as "ageless" as opposed to TV or folklore patterns, etc. I wonder if there is a haute couture's secret dressmaking and design bible floating around somewhere from way back when that has all the good information on how to create a totally custom style, cause the styles you see reproduced (not to say there aren't reproductions being made so well you can't tell the difference) are rarely varied in pattern when there are so many unusual methods of bustle, skirt, sleeve, drapery and bodice treatments of the originals. We get to use what is available of printed patterns from then with inspiration taken from original examples but someone knew how to create them from their head and that's sweet. Lots of money to the person who develops the skill of custom pattern drafting in historical reproduction clothing. :) Justine. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 04:19:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I9JKlb030536 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:19:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1I9JEMM007934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:19:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1I9IGAA049601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I9IEWR034990; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1I9ICZR034950 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B7D455053 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:18:11 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ball dress: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:18:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8CA3FFC1F40B35E-CA0-3332@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a95754de-d971-4b57-ba3a-30c1e12cc335 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47B94D92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:19:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.westernersoutfitter.com/Vintage%20Patterns.htm or http://www.riverjunction.com/catalog/patterns/Truly1.html or the source http://www.trulyvictorian.com/ -----Original Message----- It is that time, I have to plan making not only my first bustle gown, but probably best if I get a bustle era ball gown knocked out of the way since I do not have one. What is a good pattern to start with? I keep finding a pattern on ebay called Buckaroo Bobbins and it is a pattern for a polonaise and bustle skirt but I am not sure if it would be a good pattern, it could be just as unathentic as the one or two incredibly inaccurate patterns produced by the large companies. The polonaise gown looks easy enough but with out any experience it may be alot harder than thought to be. Would it be best to try out that era first with something simple to get the feel for it? When I do make the ball gown, it isn't going to be an easy 1-2-3 peice like my others to date so maybe if there are any bustlers out there you could share some hints on how to get started and what to avoid/try. Goodnight and thanks, Justine:) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 08:53:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IDrpTp025014 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1IDrhl6028482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1IDqvsT016450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IDqIwa070309; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IDq48C069496 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:52:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or heraldricitems..., spelling is the key Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02D236A3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <142452.61145.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or heraldricitems..., spelling is the key Thread-Index: Achx7/TSbfBtFsKqQYGMtzOHy3XuBwARHxeQ References: <142452.61145.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 13:53:48.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF88F240:01C87235] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ea1735e-1f37-4b5a-a8fc-d40d7a4ae0c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47B98DE7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary gives these definitions:=20 Bard: 1. A piece of armor or ornament for a horse's neck, breast or flank. 2. To furnish with bards. Caparison: 1. a. An ornamental covering for a horse. b.Decorative trappings and harness. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or = heraldricitems..., spelling is the key The spelling may be throwing people off. According to Mirriam Websters = its; "Caparison" no "M" . =20 Main Entry: 1ca=B7par=B7i=B7son =20 Pronunciation: \kə-ˈper-ə-sən, -ˈpa-rə-\ = Function: noun =20 Etymology: Middle French capara=E7on, from Old Spanish caparaz=F3n =20 Date: 1579 1 a: an ornamental covering for a horse b: decorative = trappings and harness 2: rich clothing : adornment =20 Melody =20 otsisto wrote: Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed by = many a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding is in = reference to horse armour and camparison is the fabric heraldic = garments. But online I find horse people calling it barding. http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf -----Original Message----- On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do they > make costumes for horses? > > Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding = (if > it isn't armour). Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider = this=20 item from Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=3Dproduct_detail&p=3D598&c=3D= 131 --=20 Cathy Raymond=20 "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume =20 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try = it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 11:51:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IGpRPS027727 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1IGpKL2027344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1IGjpE2068276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IGjldq061652; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IDq48E069496 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:52:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or heraldricitems..., spelling is the key Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02D236A4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <142452.61145.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or heraldricitems..., spelling is the key Thread-Index: Achx7/TSbfBtFsKqQYGMtzOHy3XuBwARPYWw References: <142452.61145.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 13:53:48.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF8DAD30:01C87235] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b33c2d6-cac6-4d1c-bacf-17d5383ea895 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47B9B788.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:51:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf=20 Horse Barding is a very broad term. It is variously defined as a piece of armor used to protect or armor a horse1, an ornamental caparison for a horse2, horse trappings3, and "sometimes referring to the armour or the cloth decoration that served to identify the owner"4. It derives from the Middle English and Old French Barde and from the Arabic Barda, which is a padded saddle or saddle cloth.5 It was not unusual during a tournament or when engaged in warfare for horse armor to be used in addition to the cloth decoration. 1 Dictionary.com - The American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English = Language, Fourth Edition, Copyright =A9 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. 2 http://www.onelook.com/?loc=3Dlemma3&w=3Dbard 3 Websters online - 1828 dictionary 4 http://www.onelook.com/?loc=3Dlemma3&w=3Dbard 5 Dictionary.com, Encarta.msn.com/dictionary -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or = heraldricitems..., spelling is the key The spelling may be throwing people off. According to Mirriam Websters = its; "Caparison" no "M" . =20 Main Entry: 1ca=B7par=B7i=B7son =20 Pronunciation: \kə-ˈper-ə-sən, -ˈpa-rə-\ = Function: noun =20 Etymology: Middle French capara=E7on, from Old Spanish caparaz=F3n =20 Date: 1579 1 a: an ornamental covering for a horse b: decorative = trappings and harness 2: rich clothing : adornment =20 Melody =20 otsisto wrote: Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed by = many a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding is in = reference to horse armour and camparison is the fabric heraldic = garments. But online I find horse people calling it barding. http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf -----Original Message----- On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do they > make costumes for horses? > > Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding = (if > it isn't armour). Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider = this=20 item from Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=3Dproduct_detail&p=3D598&c=3D= 131 --=20 Cathy Raymond=20 "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume =20 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try = it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:49:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IKnTXt031777 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:49:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1IKnMJV011472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:49:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1IKmYQh049852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IKmGlR062681; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1IKmCS0062335 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 7.bba.24c902e4 (65100) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:47:51 EST To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Ball dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be861822-1c9d-469d-9c0d-a19a3c47068c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47B9EF52.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:49:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would definitely start with a Truly Victorian pattern. Their website is wonderful with pictures of their outfits made up by themselves or other customers! It really helps with the planning. I would also second the mention that the instructions are easy to follow. I made up my first bustle ball gown for a Costume College gala and there was no problem in getting it together. And, as was mentioned, Heather and Laura MacNaughton are wonderful about answering your questions. Good luck! 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(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 20:44:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J1iOeJ005245 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:44:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1J1iHI9008934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:44:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1J1hTDZ018053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J1hO57085782; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:43:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J1hKpl085719 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so2166327rvf.11 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:43:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=lLNOXe6um/twiYLQNLUwrWxF5Au2eC24dxF6Vt26xJY=; b=egLqBrxOdtmQpzT3p4oHvS4nq2AkF2yqgsqb42UXXgSS/nTuAUFgPo29mMfJbaAP4QnFKgEmQkQzn5TJag0pkZDaV/avV0KEZ0VEJWAj7rUbrYDKdWQNR7D4n4A+GMYKgAbVFv8r6CFT7gWfLbbQ9BZHaQtQBvvsDIXMkFp/csg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dnaSWWDMa3NYRpvejib7w3kaOUx2aWTodCamiXpA4QChunCzAKCk/GpGsHVaIeqgcSKFCCBrVc22ou1iOl/mAKeRUNDEo5IkMqWesvdNDYnITnA7EW/zNP1WG+Yd1cs86y9P3iod2IT7hZVWCUKa6nz4q3sY/TCfFnHY4SjvOXg= Received: by 10.140.163.3 with SMTP id l3mr4334788rve.68.1203385400442; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.113.8 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:43:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:43:20 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money & weights in accounts (was: A little help, please.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aefe9222-39f0-4485-9c42-47704b8c735d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BA3471.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:44:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > "the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle > of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half > gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged > Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying > together iij oz di di quarter" > > "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of > garters weying one ounce quarter di" > > Thanks for any help with this. > > Kimiko Joan, I believe, has the right explanation for the above citation, but be careful. In some cases, a reference will be clear that the odd units refer to money rather than weight. Such as: 'Item for the lynyng and mendyng of 2 vardgales 14d.' 1555. Petrie Archives In this example, the costs are is 14d, where the d is denarius = a unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Brits kept using d to refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a silver coin just as the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the other side of the pond to explain further. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 21:07:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J27au5005781 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:07:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1J27U4a023585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1J27310020992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:07:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J272Rm009105; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:07:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J26v2H009035 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2075474pyc.4 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:06:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=rgmgYaKL1noRukq0bigsdIiLeEI1svt3Ncv3DucHbU4=; b=u40pNubsT1zoglXSvJpYNbWellmqCTzrUh6hYmCKJODO+2Th46YCOuulrnbr0ePtTwoEl5H9b3Bu34OBjI/hB+eGyfZEmqB8vbUnNtyDDVv6VQIkMNNoKCAS9J5r2BRIi9b4YL/W/EqPS1ZiTbNwxg2QaV9Q4M/FE4Z/BBi8iV4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=GfmHEVIjYu5ddb8mN8TW5mjzoLaxbICh4Fv2P92+BZZjthDJIFp2dMREHq6tqpseA0+FOM0CaypbkONtzPi9I0RV01Mizu2rNLLvrCGy0Zj9ejzJ76IR9y15jWuSCqUvo+QPGC5FmAdYK3E3ayMoyUTeGm/chqURLYUNAOEB6Tc= Received: by 10.65.224.11 with SMTP id b11mr12079006qbr.67.1203386817386; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm7237283qbc.5.2008.02.18.18.06.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:06:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00b201c8729c$50f27230$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200802161712.57164.cathy@thyrsus.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02D23603@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a9b2af7-1679-428b-ac79-42bc735573c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BA39E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:07:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From the French, caparaçon... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co >I bet that's right - but I think it's caparison. > > Patty > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of otsisto > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:39 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co > > Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed by many > a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding is in reference > to horse armour and camparison is the fabric heraldic garments. But online > I find horse people calling it barding. > http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ > http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf > > -----Original Message----- > > On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: >> Do they >> make costumes for horses? >> >> Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding >> (if >> it isn't armour). > > Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider > this > item from Historic Enterprises: > > http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=598&c=131 > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 22:00:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J30poR006951 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:00:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1J30iB2022544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:00:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1J2xwAV027058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J2xuxJ051402; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J2xrmG051302 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=bw755/61XLPmVezUQE1bf7C65izxtEjkdncB8p9G/McpXNVVIfHzP5Qvf5thnoBA; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.230] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JRIhw-0004BR-20 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:59:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:56:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c4f33e6dfb15ebc75843edb32de8be1ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ea48cad-d800-420f-8dbb-26073eb02bb8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BA465C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 > list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 I won't exactly say that Norse costume experts on other mailing lists seem to be laughing themselves into stitches over this..... but....... There are certainly some aspects of it that don't look very practical, such as the train. Also, as someone on another list pointed out, generally costume found in one place and time will show some sort of evolutionary relationships to the costume of other, similar places at the same time, before and afterward. But I'm not aware of anything remotely like this anywhere in northern Europe (disclaimer: but then, I'm hardly an expert....) To me, it would seem much more plausible that the placement of garment parts reconstructed here is the result of subsidence in the graves from which the originals came, rather than that they were actually worn that way. There is certainly merit in challenging the established "applecart" of wisdom about how things were done, just to be sure no one is getting too complacent or thinks that we know everything. But some challenges have a lot of plausible reasoning and evidence behind them, and others, well, don't. (I recently ran across someone who claims that French, Italian and Spanish all descended from Modern English, and that Latin never existed as a living language, it was merely scribal shorthand. Definitely one of the more far-out attempts to re-think established wisdom, and apparently without much in the way of evidence either...... http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/ 005394.html#more) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 18 23:27:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J4ReMm008738 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:27:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1J4ROoJ002260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1J4QiMS035570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J4Qfa8016103; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J4QcXL016001 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JRK50-0003q3-RN for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:27:42 -0500 Received: from 4.90.63.155 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <29994667.1203395192450.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:26:32 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69a1857aee3509e9da002eea93acc13b955af2f0520a031d2f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] RAYMOND MACHINE WORTH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 571ed3c8-9cf0-4da9-891b-d4939c17c550 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BA5AAC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:27:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the info on patent dating. When the machine was checked it was found to have patent dates of 1879 and 1880 and was styled as a "NEW RAYMOND". I haven't seen it yet as I'm tied up with the current show at the theatre. I'd love to have a treadle machine as that is what I learned on and sewed, in a factory, on late 19thC. or early 20th C. electric powered treadle machines. I haven't a clue what to offer for it. Ideas anyone? I understand that there are pics, which I haven't seen yet, but I don't know how to post them. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 19 00:19:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J5JQUB010014 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:19:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1J5JIjs025237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1J5IjfV040154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J5IghC050402; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J5Id8K050297 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE4738068 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:23:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <20080212200828.SBAS7087.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802190023.21605.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 843718e9-a9f3-4ff5-b6a7-6effe260db14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BA66D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:19:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Monday 18 February 2008, Chris Laning wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 > > list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > I won't exactly say that Norse costume experts on other mailing lists > seem to be laughing themselves into stitches over this..... but....... You're absolutely right, Chris. I know this because I'm also a member of some of the other lists and have participated in those discussions. :-) I'll add here that a lot of what Larsson has proposed in her reconstruction comes from a recent (2006) find in Pskov, Russia, of large fragments of what appear to have been an undertunic with a gathered neck and an apron dress. The Pskov team is preparing an article on their find which will be presented at NESAT in 2008 and be in NESAT X, but here's a good factual summary in English of the preliminarily released details: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm The abstract for the NESAT paper gives some additional details that I wanted to raise here, for they present additional reasons counting against this proposed reconstruction: "Related with this outer item of the costume [i.e., the presumed undertunic] was the largest piece among the silk details found. It was a complete upper part (152 cm long and 25.5 cm wide) of the apron. At equal distances from the centre, fragments of two loops or shoulder-straps were preserved. The loops themselves were found on the pins of two oval fibulae. The silken trimming of the upper part of the apron consisted of several details cut from different kinds of silk. These all were cloths of the Byzantine type. On silken cloth no. 1, a woven pattern has been recognized with a scene of the Sassanian prince Bahram Gur hunting. In Europe, cloths with similar designs are known by finds from Milan, Cologne, and Prague. Within the territory of Russia they have been found at mountain burial grounds of the northern Caucasus. All of them are dated, at the latest, to the 9th Century being imitations of the earlier Sassanian textiles." In Larsson's reconstruction, the part of the apron dress that is ornamented with this precious, antique (the Sassanian silks are dated 9th century, while the burial is dated late 10th century) silk goes *at the small of the back.* I can't imagine any Viking wearing a garment in a fashion that would make it hard to find the most precious ornamentation on the garment. Overall, I agree with Chris's parting shot on this sort of daringly different reconstruction: > There is certainly merit in challenging the established "applecart" > of wisdom about how things were done, just to be sure no one is > getting too complacent or thinks that we know everything. But some > challenges have a lot of plausible reasoning and evidence behind > them, and others, well, don't. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 19 02:58:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J7wlCV002152 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:58:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1J7we8D005888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1J7w6Gs058820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:58:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J7w3ZE057522; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:58:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1J7w1Rr057430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-91-190.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.91.190] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JRNMR-0003qW-CU for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:57:55 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080219075322.03745ee0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money & weights in accounts (was: A little help, please.) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:58:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:43 19/02/2008, you wrote: > > "the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle > > of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half > > gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged > > Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying > > together iij oz di di quarter" > > > > "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of > > garters weying one ounce quarter di" > > > > Thanks for any help with this. > > > > Kimiko > >Joan, I believe, has the right explanation for the above citation, but >be careful. In some cases, a reference will be clear that the odd >units refer to money rather than weight. Such as: > >'Item for the lynyng and mendyng of 2 vardgales 14d.' 1555. Petrie Archives > >In this example, the costs are is 14d, where the d is denarius =3D a >unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Brits kept using d to >refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a silver coin just as >the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the other side of the >pond to explain further. I believe that "d" is actually pence, not=20 shillings, in English money. We used to have,=20 prior to decimalisation on 15/2/71, a system of=20 pounds, shillings and pence, shortened to =A3.s.d.=20 Therefore the "14d" mentioned above is actually=20 14 pence, not shillings. I will try and check the=20 origins of the notation - but am busy, so it might take a while. Suzi=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 19 15:58:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JKwtoE018744 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:58:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1JKwjqc021079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1JKw2UA017166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:58:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JKvEdg014144; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JKv28V013775 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.64571468; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:56:35 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m1JKscu15629.; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:54:38 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:54:38 +0000 Message-Id: <47BB41FD02000014000E2D8E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:54:21 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Money & weights References: <200802192021.m1JKIKbj056253@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802192021.m1JKIKbj056253@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 233c0f7e-0af3-41c9-b6f2-93eb59d8cc57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BB4305.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:58:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cynthia wrote: >In this example, the costs are is 14d, where the d is denarius = a >unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Brits kept using d to >refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a silver coin just as >the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the other side of the >pond to explain further. "d" means an old penny, not a shilling. "Denarius" was used as the Latin word for it, perhaps because a denarius was a small coin in Roman times? £ s d = Libri, solidi, denarii. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 19 17:26:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JMQQ1n020549 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1JMQJE8007324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:26:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1JMPoIn032796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JMPlYF030160; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1JMPfgG029949 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12681 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2008 22:25:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wHuT7LS01QSb+jYLScSeI+HgYVm3887V8+2ujAL1MVQYYsPTMCnUGm0MLl3vltLNxWSQcmlyWevJ5er1zRGnPllF4zRaA1qSBTN5FaoAWZS9/YoQmwAGdfyfOchQD5FnsUZcPjfb4dbePUO/yJzaTbqyh+pq50k990Fe6qwujSQ=; X-YMail-OSG: .4WG780VM1kIpR6To51JlP_GdskGjim4zvaDLinu1SBSt0ItysY0IQcc3lcnZmhTr75o8qQ_olcE3XI0MLc.5l.FjbqtSnexa2ZXNNp7caRkf9_K Received: from [82.112.148.95] by web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:25:35 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:25:35 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost]Money & weights To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47BB41FD02000014000E2D8E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <875107.8584.qm@web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bed4ea36-e366-466c-9416-50d952fdf6af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BB578B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO IIRC, the first copper coinage was not issued until the Reign of either henry VIII or of Edward VI. My particular period of re-enactment is late-15th Century England, Brittany, & the Anglo-Norman Isles, - and at that time the shilling did not exist save as a "unit of account" - and everyone was paid in pennies - which were actually coins containing something over 97%fine of real silver, [a plentiful metal in medieval Europe from great middle-European mines such as Kutna Hora]. In my period, a Craft Journeyman in England could expect to earn an average 6 silver pennies for a day's labour. A ploughman - 4d/day. A Knight on campaign - 24d/day for himself - with additional allowances for his personal soldiery, for his servants, and for their maintainance. There are some really good online references for this sort of info; - and Peter Spufford has written 2 wonderful books on the subjects of money and of trade in medieval Europe - which are likely to be of interest to any re-enactor. Especiallt those of us who have done demos, and have had MoP ask "what did it cost? - or - How much did you earn? - or - what were your wages?" At that time, for over a century previously, maybe longer [IIRC], a number of the silver coins in circulation had the reverse design containing a cross; - and as it was not a crime at the time to "deface the coinage", - various medieval coin hoards discovered in modern times have been found to contain silver pennies either cut in half or even cut in quarters along the axis of that reverse cross design. In fact the medieval half-penny of the British isles was literally that - a silver penny cut in half - at least up to the Reign of Henry VIII - there was no half-penny coin minted. In France, the equivalent size & value coin to the British silver penny was the silver "sol" - but the greedy French Kings devalued the currency so much and so often that by the time I re-enact - one English silver penny was worth 28 "sols" from any French Mint. In Service to the Light, and to Drachenwald, Matthew Baker. Kate M Bunting wrote: Cynthia wrote: >In this example, the costs are is 14d, where the d is denarius = a >unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Brits kept using d to >refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a silver coin just as >the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the other side of the >pond to explain further. "d" means an old penny, not a shilling. "Denarius" was used as the Latin word for it, perhaps because a denarius was a small coin in Roman times? £ s d = Libri, solidi, denarii. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 19 17:32:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JMWKQl020629 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:32:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1JMW9BB010680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:32:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1JMVnvB033620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JMVkNN037190; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1JMVibw037112 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1855740wri.3 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:31:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=DogzTuE3WpHQYQ76p6Du0QBceKOSA1OIpp1W8EmnDmU=; b=Q8KGSUCN3vThcFH9aNWpdBn1lItMr9GEnJ2J+lMFYS83M9nj39ojf1f0IWcsIZ5+LI1FxBuOzlho1MaTx0JRTzyruYqrjwyQHuloICFV1GN7C51XSSRmAJNHLwElwQnudz6HLel1aXOHCoZobIGFeA/2VmyCiIqk2SYa/67Etqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=xHgoOSpoiIs9zOuKK5UslKLs2c7NyRdIxCy8ZYYYxg3B82KDFyBPQlxTY3E+Wt0cA17u9q3N9QxqSCcjPdYZhw8HDrSr7XQX1tV9LXw1X77LWRUftCiBPZdYUGtU6ZJ2wVyE5UVg5sXEFeYyT8dVz6+Q0fgsdbwQsEP/NPcC6hQ= Received: by 10.140.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr5128232rvf.86.1203460302599; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.113.8 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:31:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:31:42 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money & weights in accounts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7de6e88-bcfd-44dd-860f-d8887ddb46dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BB58E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:32:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > At 01:43 19/02/2008, you wrote: > > > "the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle > > > of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half > > > gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged > > > Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying > > > together iij oz di di quarter" > > > > > > "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of > > > garters weying one ounce quarter di" > > > > > > Thanks for any help with this. > > > > > > Kimiko > > > >Joan, I believe, has the right explanation for the above citation, but > >be careful. In some cases, a reference will be clear that the odd > >units refer to money rather than weight. Such as: > > > >'Item for the lynyng and mendyng of 2 vardgales 14d.' 1555. Petrie Archi= ves > > > >In this example, the costs are is 14d, where the d is denarius =3D a > >unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Brits kept using d to > >refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a silver coin just as > >the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the other side of the > >pond to explain further. > > I believe that "d" is actually pence, not > shillings, in English money. We used to have, > prior to decimalisation on 15/2/71, a system of > pounds, shillings and pence, shortened to =A3.s.d. > Therefore the "14d" mentioned above is actually > 14 pence, not shillings. I will try and check the > origins of the notation - but am busy, so it might take a while. > > Suzi Thanks Suzi (and nice to hear from you!) Were there silver pennies in the 16th c? Still stuck on the denarius thing, ya see, And BTW, Kimiko, that's one big diamond & George jewel that you've got described there. The three oz of gold alone makes a pricey bauble at today's rates. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 19 19:30:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1K0UUVo022636 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:30:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1K0ULGi005006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:30:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1K0TW6s057635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1K0TSRH076328; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1K0TNxH076151 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64901 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 23:18:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VpMF5iXsWEpL3ZUiz1BxwkuugECAZezq5TcFJHfEFpknKBY8AamtyXJxkjF0SSZ9HT0A1/JG3Q242ygFHu9l9/uPpIvqlKD139IDITZKF+32G6nmx1GHwzxod7S3KmZJBiwae8hOYD/I3Qs077JkHj0GCDkl6llvkPGI6DNfqdw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:30:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cin wrote: >> At 01:43 19/02/2008, you wrote: >> >>>> "the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle >>>> of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half >>>> gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged >>>> Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying >>>> together iij oz di di quarter" >>>> >>>> "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of >>>> garters weying one ounce quarter di" >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help with this. >>>> >>>> Kimiko >>>> > > > And BTW, Kimiko, that's one big diamond & George jewel that you've got > described there. The three oz of gold alone makes a pricey bauble at > today's rates. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > > I think you'll find it's regalia of the Order of the Garter! So price was unlikely to be a concern to the wearer. See this site: http://www.royal.gov.uk/OutPut/Page3210.asp - section below the fourth picture. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:57:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Cin wrote: > And BTW, Kimiko, that's one big diamond & George > jewel that you've got > described there. The three oz of gold alone makes a > pricey bauble at > today's rates. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com It is a description of the one Henry VIII wore, from the inventory accounts (Dress in the Court of King Henry VIII). It also stated that his entire Garter Collar weighed xlv ounces! Something this brings to mind... this would have been troy ounces, right? Anyone know for sure? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 12:06:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KH6n6n030787 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:06:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1KH6g4v015333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:06:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1KH5sBa074649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KH5jCP052612; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KH5gso052412 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c37.25847c41 (34906) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d14 (mblk-d14.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.6]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA023-885a47bc5dd48f; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:05:24 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:05:23 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.60.219 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.60.219 by mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.6) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:05:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA41F9EAAC2AEF-1438-3388@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Finding information: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd728f9e-db65-4b64-a571-748828d880f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BC5E22.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:06:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello everyone, I have just been observing your posts to one another, fascinated by the topics. Earlier periods aren't quite my interest but I find the bits of knowledge you contain very interesting. That is my second problem as a costumer, scholarly research. Aside from going onto websites and reading in timeline books where all the information is already researched and digested for others to read, which is my main source of learning, where do you find this stuff? The only thing I have thought of is to go to a library but than I wonder, where to beging digging deep into the collection to find original sources of info. The Victorian fashion era seems to be vwidely available on an informal research scale but where may I look for resources of the hardcore information that serious historians and researchers study before relaying all they've learned to the rest of us? One of these I will hit the FIT book store up in the fashion district, since they have not only a large collection but a course focusing on preservation and curatorial studies. Take care:) Justine ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 12:09:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KH9oqK030829 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:09:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1KH9cfD005790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:09:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1KH96cm075304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KH93o8056641; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KH8xQk056438 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W27 ([65.55.133.62]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:07:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.189.126] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] repeated posts Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:07:32 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2008 17:07:33.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[1538BEF0:01C873E3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af07e0f8-929f-453c-8766-1a853700eeae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BC5ED2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:09:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO =20 Is it just me, or has everyone received these last three posts several time= s? =20 Laurie =20 > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:31:42 -0800> From: cinbarnes@gmail.com> To: h-c= ostume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money & weights in accounts> CC: > = > > At 01:43 19/02/2008, you wrote:> > > > "the foreparte of the George of = Dyamountes the Mayle> > > > of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer = half> > > > gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged> > > > Dyamo= unte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying> > > > together iij oz di d= i quarter"> > > >> > > > "a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of> >= > > garters weying one ounce quarter di"> > > >> > > > Thanks for any help= with this.> > > >> > > > Kimiko> > >> > >Joan, I believe, has the right ex= planation for the above citation, but> > >be careful. In some cases, a refe= rence will be clear that the odd> > >units refer to money rather than weigh= t. Such as:> > >> > >'Item for the lynyng and mendyng of 2 vardgales 14d.' = 1555. Petrie Archives> > >> > >In this example, the costs are is 14d, where= the d is denarius =3D a> > >unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Br= its kept using d to> > >refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a si= lver coin just as> > >the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the o= ther side of the> > >pond to explain further.> >> > I believe that "d" is a= ctually pence, not> > shillings, in English money. We used to have,> > prio= r to decimalisation on 15/2/71, a system of> > pounds, shillings and pence,= shortened to =A3.s.d.> > Therefore the "14d" mentioned above is actually> = > 14 pence, not shillings. I will try and check the> > origins of the notat= ion - but am busy, so it might take a while.> >> > Suzi> > Thanks Suzi (and= nice to hear from you!)> Were there silver pennies in the 16th c? Still st= uck on the denarius> thing, ya see,> > And BTW, Kimiko, that's one big diam= ond & George jewel that you've got> described there. The three oz of gold a= lone makes a pricey bauble at> today's rates.> --cin> Cynthia Barnes> CinBa= rnes@gmail.com> _______________________________________________> h-costume = mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listi= nfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.=A0You IM, we g= ive. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=3Dtext_hotmail_join= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 16:14:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KLEdv4003493 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:14:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1KLEVgQ024030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:14:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1KLDXwT040055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KLDO8N069554; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KLDJYv069412 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:13:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1157692ugd.17 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:13:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3TmSmlFCbfgRacdimH3EP6Yr8lK0W05rWXImeWeMJbE=; b=NzyiXtm5z0PmvGUwZWYBnI1sN8ixZ+/JFzNbs7R2CoG9cV978XOwr1puW1rngE9+V2zng4DQTXzzTz8AVgwS6ao4MlzVIHPCI7lj7UGzEgJyfi4NmTlj2pksoXci7skazSINmnfARWL+CnApm9lC7oYiShi83ulaAYL6mEMD1i0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S7lsEgwGTWPNkrnPMG8uqxveMWz5T4iUc/tfJ24AsUXZ1VO/huxVSCChpGFlirF6uZpu9oN0z0kjpSRNX40Q2RTn7LlupVCBZskJicKsfmYTGtNqDNx5/dr4VtfKeQfbYsRM64FaxUAPDxu2pl1ykaswgMIrinuY0pejCtXKwg4= Received: by 10.78.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr14441527hub.50.1203541993336; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0802201313q7cd4c25bya040fcd1b5834109@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] repeated posts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efb97b7b-de2d-49cd-ac11-d5e7950d4ab7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BC9837.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:14:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I see you haven't received a response in the past 4 hours. I only received it once. LynnD On 2/20/08, zelda crusher wrote: > > > > Is it just me, or has everyone received these last three posts several > times? > > Laurie > > > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:31:42 -0800> From: cinbarnes@gmail.com> To: > h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money & weights in accounts> > CC: > > > At 01:43 19/02/2008, you wrote:> > > > "the foreparte of the > George of Dyamountes the Mayle> > > > of the curates and Rivet of the sam= e > of Siluer half> > > > gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged>= > > > > Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying> > > > together = iij > oz di di quarter"> > > >> > > > "a little George of gold to hang at a Col= lar > of> > > > garters weying one ounce quarter di"> > > >> > > > Thanks for a= ny > help with this.> > > >> > > > Kimiko> > >> > >Joan, I believe, has the ri= ght > explanation for the above citation, but> > >be careful. In some cases, a > reference will be clear that the odd> > >units refer to money rather than > weight. Such as:> > >> > >'Item for the lynyng and mendyng of 2 vardgales > 14d.' 1555. Petrie Archives> > >> > >In this example, the costs are is 14= d, > where the d is denarius =3D a> > >unit of money. I'm not clear how or why= the > Brits kept using d to> > >refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was = a > silver coin just as> > >the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from t= he > other side of the> > >pond to explain further.> >> > I believe that "d" i= s > actually pence, not> > shillings, in English money. We used to have,> > > prior to decimalisation on 15/2/71, a system of> > pounds, shillings and > pence, shortened to =A3.s.d.> > Therefore the "14d" mentioned above is > actually> > 14 pence, not shillings. I will try and check the> > origins = of > the notation - but am busy, so it might take a while.> >> > Suzi> > Thank= s > Suzi (and nice to hear from you!)> Were there silver pennies in the 16th = c? > Still stuck on the denarius> thing, ya see,> > And BTW, Kimiko, that's on= e > big diamond & George jewel that you've got> described there. The three oz= of > gold alone makes a pricey bauble at> today's rates.> --cin> Cynthia Barne= s> > CinBarnes@gmail.com> _______________________________________________> > h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we > give. > > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=3Dtext_hotmail_join_________= ______________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 16:50:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KLoFdH004352 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:50:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1KLo96t020983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1KLndAL045109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:49:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KLnXxf011007; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:49:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1KLnRS2010765 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=F7For4f7qvJuOenHTNMmU2nZV16be+RsI+dyy8sacGV55t6EW33/Z/s8yBwiFbt+; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.51] (helo=mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JRwoW-00021b-CE for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:49:16 -0500 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:49:11 -0500 Message-ID: <14128320.1203544151272.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:49:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finding information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c5a0ebfc55eef036828d6be692304035a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.51 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ce63e11-63ae-41eb-9f42-acb4874540a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BCA091.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:50:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Justine wrote: >...That is my >second problem as a costumer, scholarly research. Aside from going onto >websites and reading in timeline books where all the information is >already researched and digested for others to read, which is my main >source of learning, where do you find this stuff? The only thing I have >thought of is to go to a library but than I wonder, where to begin >digging deep into the collection to find original sources of info. First, you can always ask on this and other mailing lists. If you explain what types of things, centuries and geographic areas you're looking for, there will probably be lots of people who can give you book and article titles as a place to start. The more specific you can be, the better. You can also ask whether a particular book is considered to be a good one -- Iris Peacock's costume books, for instance, are not. With regards to libraries, you're on the right track. There is *much* more information available in book form than online (and it's often easier to tell whether the information is any good). People who teach research classes now have to hammer it into their students' heads that the Internet is *not* your best or only source for serious research. The bigger the library, the better the chances of it having useful material; university and college libraries are often the best place to start, especially if you don't live in a big city (big-city libraries are often good, too). Most university libraries are open to anyone who wants to walk in and look at things, and you can generally photocopy things even if you can't take them out. My local public university has a "Friends of the Library" program and I've had a card through them for years that lets me take out up to 10 books. The way I always start when researching a new area is to look up the call numbers (whatever system your library uses) for a few books in the right general subject area (in your case, historical clothing). A reference librarian can almost always help you with such a search, and many libraries now have their catalogs online. It doesn't much matter exactly which titles you start with. Step 2 is to go to the section of the shelves where those books are, and start looking at everything on the shelf that looks interesting or relevant. Pick out the ones where it looks as though the authors are basing what they say on actual research (i.e. probably _not_ "So-and-so's Book of Quick'n'Easy Stage Costumes" ;). Step 3 (and this is the key!) is to turn to the back of the book and read the BIBLIOGRAPHY. This will list the books and papers the authors used for reference. *This* is the important section to photocopy, because now you can go looking for any of _those_ books and articles that look relevant. Find those and repeat the process ;) One of the best sources of information on the nitty-gritty details of clothing is articles published in professional journals in history. The most practical way to discover which articles to look for is to get the references from someone else's bibliography. Again a reference librarian can help you sort out the cryptic note in the bibliography that says something like "J. Hist. Text. 48:3-39" (I made that one up). Bound copies of the journal may be available in the library or on microfilm, even if they're not near the main bookshelf you started with. Of course, you will very soon begin to find books and articles that sound absolutely fascinating but that the library doesn't have. Inter-library loan is your friend here. You can generally ILL a specific book through your public library, although some library systems do this much better and more quickly than others (and some have to charge for the service, though most don't). Hope this helps -- ask more questions anytime. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 19:29:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L0TuZl008070 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L0Tmja031030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L0QMGA066511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L0QLmT014897; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L0QIXi014755 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d5f.222e118d (30740) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:26:05 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:26:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finding information To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3103962-81e0-4c38-af27-b68d297bab76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BCC5FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:29:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/20/2008 4:50:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, claning@igc.org writes: The only thing I have >thought of is to go to a library but than I wonder, where to begin >digging deep into the collection to find original sources of info. The notes in secondary sources should send you to the primary sources, many of which you may have access to--see below. Your local university libary probably has its catalogue on-line. I, for example, live near the University of Maryland. If I find a primary source listed in a book, the first place I look is the Maryland card catalogue. It is absolutely amazing what is available there on microfilm. (Godey's Lady's Book and Peterson's magazine, for example, both great sources for the second half of the nineteenth century, should be available on microfilm--the only drawback is that they are in black and white, not color.) As was pointed out, you can usually walk in and use a university library, no questions asked. If you live near the institution from which you graduated, check on alumni privileges. Some allow members of the alumni association borrowing privileges. I splurge for the $150 Friends of the Library membership at Maryland because that also gets me inter-library loan privileges. I don't know how other state work, but, here in Maryland, if one has a public library card, one can access almost all the other libraries in the state and have books from those other libraries sent to your local one--again, you can do the hunting and the requesting on-line. This is probably not so useful for primary source material, but may help you find that sought-after out-of-print 20th century costume book. It's all about the hunt, you know--you just keep going and going. Ann Wass **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 19:29:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L0TwtV008079 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L0TlYa012724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L0OHG8066191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L0OApl012611; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L0O6Pl012504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:24:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JRzEG-0002kt-Fw for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:24:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:24:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3765f10-e40e-47a6-84ef-a8a391938911 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BCC5FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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However, we would also like to use examples from post 1300 as well, and that's where I come to all you later-period specialists. I have been told that there are several portraits out there, by the same artist, of different sitters, but using the same or almost the same dress. Is this in fact the case, and if so, where can I find images of these portraits? My consort tells me that there are also portraits of various male members of a family all portrayed in the same suit of armor--again, if anyone has any references I can chase down that would be incredibly helpful. And yes, I plan on using the portrait of Elizabeth in the eyes-and-ears gown as an example of symbolism. Many many many thanks, pixel/Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 20:44:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L1i0wg010416 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:44:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L1hrrL016960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L1hFPH076104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L1hC54081011; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1L1h86t080904 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABD53XZ5AMJPUHA for (sender ); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:42:19 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn70Db1tu/OAUqbeHfTxVqWWlCPUWmIjUyqw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NCFHH5F5; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:41:53 PST Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:41:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:41:52 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080220.194152.17855.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1682865532 X-MAIL-INFO: 553e432e43fbba83fbba875aba87c7d7a3ebb337e70aeb02ce7ee70302af2b1b028f4e473edf3e1f9b874bba3e5a2a6a93cb5bf3ea5beac7f3ea0b5f83977ebe1a071abbdefab7deaad3d38ab77a9a6acb731bde935b67c7b7f3bfbf0e4e8ff393 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.153|webmail13.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4e0ac56-d745-4b90-b7f0-cc44a9c03257 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BCD759.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:43:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Janet Arnold has some excellent examples of this in her book "A Handbook= of Costume". One really good example is on pages 22-23 where she compar= es 4 different portraits of Jane Seymour where, although all clearly int= ended to be the same outfit, there are significant differences in the de= tails. = = Karen Seamstrix -- "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" wrote: Help!! My consort and I are preparing a class about visual sources and why they= = should not be taken as 100% gospel when doing costuming research, and as= = usual once I get past about 1300 I hit a snag. :-) If you want to = discourse on the changes in sleeve geometry from 1200 to 1300 in England= = and France, I'm your girl. Anything after that, though, and I am at a = total loss. Our stated time frame is up to 1600, and we have sources up = = to and including 1300. However, we would also like to use examples from = = post 1300 as well, and that's where I come to all you later-period = specialists. I have been told that there are several portraits out there, by the same= = artist, of different sitters, but using the same or almost the same dres= s. = Is this in fact the case, and if so, where can I find images of these = portraits? My consort tells me that there are also portraits of various male member= s = of a family all portrayed in the same suit of armor--again, if anyone ha= s = any references I can chase down that would be incredibly helpful. And yes, I plan on using the portrait of Elizabeth in the eyes-and-ears = = gown as an example of symbolism. Many many many thanks, pixel/Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6eOwsIAqYrWRrLqXuOmh= mvqLMh2rbl1rQQGCwH8RUTLfYs/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 21:48:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L2mdCK012261 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L2mWsn024325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:48:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L2kSki083702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L2kPu2031654; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L2kLOd031555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local (ip093174.uvm.edu [132.198.93.174]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m1L2kF8T030205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: <47BCE5FD.6050904@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:46:21 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references References: <20080220.194152.17855.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20080220.194152.17855.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcd87ccb-98a6-4ea8-9ea8-28e871e128bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BCE681.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:48:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There are a few here, including three images of Jane Seymour (two paintings, one sketch): http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/ - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 20 23:15:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L4FjVs014135 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:15:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L4FdIL004819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:15:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L4Evgl091940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L4Erjx096562; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L4EeMG096385 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=tRSj1TIeBuOoBYEanNYdrPnKwHpi4Rz8Pcs+ky+NPJgPle6HqUU+JSIhQy96BYJZ; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.230] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JS2pO-0007WK-OR for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:14:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080219183340.gbx9ky8ao0o884oc@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> References: <10d401c86e9d$fe0aa350$dd00a8c0@compaqub> <20080219183340.gbx9ky8ao0o884oc@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mari to the white courtesy phone Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:11:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c99e1723e89a54f9a3a07ece92a27ab1a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1955938-12fd-45b9-b411-f7ea716ef230 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BCFAEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:15:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (answered privately) On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:33 PM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > Is Mari Alexander on this list? > > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 00:08:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L58d8P014943 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:08:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L58WEP019411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:08:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L588k3096786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L585dW037653; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L58130037569 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:08:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (185.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.185]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2008022105075511300jhksfe>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:07:55 +0000 Message-ID: <008f01c87447$b6c80140$b9b04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com><200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com><200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com><200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:07:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69d7b859-20b9-42ad-a525-50d9864bfd24 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BD0750.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:08:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is not Tudor or Elizabethan, but Bronzino did at leasttwo of the same person in the same dress with different sleeves. Margaret > > Help!! > > My consort and I are preparing a class about visual sources and why they > should not be taken as 100% gospel when doing costuming research, and as > usual once I get past about 1300 I hit a snag. :-) If you want to > discourse on the changes in sleeve geometry from 1200 to 1300 in England > and France, I'm your girl. Anything after that, though, and I am at a > total loss. Our stated time frame is up to 1600, and we have sources up to > and including 1300. However, we would also like to use examples from post > 1300 as well, and that's where I come to all you later-period specialists. > > I have been told that there are several portraits out there, by the same > artist, of different sitters, but using the same or almost the same dress. > Is this in fact the case, and if so, where can I find images of these > portraits? > > My consort tells me that there are also portraits of various male members > of a family all portrayed in the same suit of armor--again, if anyone has > any references I can chase down that would be incredibly helpful. > > And yes, I plan on using the portrait of Elizabeth in the eyes-and-ears > gown as an example of symbolism. > > Many many many thanks, > > pixel/Jen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 01:47:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L6l8oS016863 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:47:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L6l0ET013691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:47:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L6kXiE005253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:46:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L6kUkG008918; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L6kSJV008831 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1296453ugd.17 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:46:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=seiUT84BujGNOd7ZATXQUk1KXOggGRkk6EAQywelvpo=; b=EsSXJeWEOA8c9YFbsoUNNKfj7uivjVZiUj8Omx2GY7bR3VleucJX0hzG0w2u5uzuh1PjSU7Foq71rFHehUIKCzmJjq6noY4p5B8GXEMIrjRo+sGdS9SPaQIDxqDKCP6xEdpo9IBFd9x8zZTL6eo4rueI1tMcbIgvrMDG+cLTcWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qgk3n9NgQcvJqaZa3ptSphZGBk1EVJOGDA09P/9X/mxL/DZhz6c0kIIu425gFl7cm5omD5HzKnHg1cqobwbkpdp03gU+P/e5HWWWrpzaF9rS+ybTg6j78PKf+Qn/yGik8Y5ZF0pnxWICfXnEq5RJURCPewpgUyS5MPpRBxxwWbU= Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr538999ugj.22.1203576382754; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.242.8 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:46:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0802202246seb31805h69b4abacd55551e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:46:22 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finding information In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdf0333a-a8f0-4177-b7c4-b52c83549eea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BD1E64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:47:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > The notes in secondary sources should send you to the primary sources, many > of which you may have access to--see below. This is probably the first best way to start out:) I also recommend finding out what Inter-library Loan (ILL) scheme your local library has. Some books you request will not be allowed out of another collection but you may just get lucky. Also google books is a marvelous place for finding transcriptions of historic texts, I just recently (re)found a few myself: http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/870338.html Basically I did a search for a fabric term that I knew was in use in the time I was most interested in (sadly my German specific terms don't turn up much of anything). And using other spelling variants turns up even more books:) Project Guttenburg also turns up some interesting works and there are all manner of catalogues online for similar types of searches which you can then take to your library's ILL librarian:) Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 03:52:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L8qv3x012660 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:52:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1L8qjEC015948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:52:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1L8pkE4017626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1L8pgrU001213; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1L8pcTn001121 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12928 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2008 08:51:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JW1rZX65BylLrRuBr5/vxqgL3WOOXYD7kta+s97u9OBisH60Yg/w7qhwc7UGH7/Qa5yUfdhP68I7ABbWuoA2oBiDoFdKB0ThEXyK7w7ZP4c6jL2Ke/wfxfQvAlRv2s06boZujGGq02T0005cAkbtEkMFHb1bNvPiK5CTLSE1aHA=; X-YMail-OSG: vTG5zN8VM1nWbat.v81OqW_Ey6Ty_bae._3iqEmGO3QvNqNRmj3Gw8fIpwK3wmOjzWq5ATI4ke5xnGBPYiQMBd.mg.FhJWUre_7WylfzjnMymIPkgxQWgJKsnlBFWQ-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:51:33 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <237805.18544.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <192285.12169.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13fc040f-1101-48c6-abe1-e2f24c182541 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BD3BDD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:52:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just an update... I've been perusing through some Google books, and found this one. A Cyclopaedia of Costume Or Dictionary of Dress... By James Robinson Planché I think you can click this and view it: http://books.google.com/books?id=f419oz-NWDgC&rview=1 Page 469 includes an entry on Slops, which gives more illumination of the word with regards to women's mourning clothing. "That slops were not breeches as late as the reign of Henry VII., is evident from the ordinances issued by his mother, Margaret Countess of Richmond, for "the reformation of apparell for great estates of women in the tyme of mourninge," wherein the Queen's gentlewomen are directed to wear " sloppes," which are explained to mean mourning cassocks "for ladies and gentlewomen, not open before." In the first year of Henry VIII, also, according to Hall, upon Shrove Sunday, after a goodly "banket" in the Parliament Chamber at Westminster, a masque was presented in which, amongst many other fancifully attired personages (the King being one), there entered six ladies, two of whom were in garments of "crymosyne and purpull, made like long slops, embroidered and fretted with golde after the antique fascion ; and over the slop was a shorte garment of cloth of golde, scant to the knee, fascioned like a tabard," &c. But though they were not breeches,..." There's a lot more, but that gets the drift with regards to mourning clothing. Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 07:51:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LCpRUR013301 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LCpFtm009880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:51:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LCodpj063086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LCoZLe005019; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:50:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LCoVTg004909 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.11.150] Received: from [75.46.11.150] (adsl-75-46-11-150.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.11.150]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1LCoPAm012584 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:50:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:51:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9260f93f-6083-4b17-a5a2-f5c6bf44b7b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BD73C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:51:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you're planning to cover up to 1600 and not just 1500-1600, you might consider expanding your talk to include discussion of 14th and 15th-century images of saints. Robin Netherton is the expert here, but I do a little version of Jeff Foxworthy's "you might be a redneck if" that I call "they might be a saint if" in my Costume History class. Images of saints are particularly common in these centuries in Italy and the Low Countries, though they appear elsewhere as well. They tend to be wearing fanciful and/or imaginary clothing, and for some reason modern people looking for research always seem to zoom in on them. The key is that often saints are depicted holding or standing on something odd. They might be holding a severed head, a plate of breasts, an eyeball on a stick, a spiked wheel, a tower, etc. Or these elements might be somewhere else in the painting. They often relate to the way in which the saint was martyred and were meant to identify the subject to the medieval viewer. Another giveaway is of course a halo or a set of wings--biblical characters and angels can almost never be trusted for clothing research. Saints are also often depicted holding a strange green feather-looking thing, which is meant to be a palm frond. I tell my students to check out the caption first then start looking for the odd props. In addition to saints and biblical folk, mythological and classical people depicted in medieval and Renaissance paintings are often not trustworthy for research. If the person is meant to represent "Honesty" or some other abstract concept, they are probably not wearing "real" clothing either. I encourage you to work this information in, because much of the bad research that I see depicts saints, biblical, mythological, or classical people. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 10:18:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LFI2bZ016047 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:18:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LFHsWa008204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LFGwaT080242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LFGphK047620; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LFGkNj047471 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=SBHvmHqIV520NVtyHaz8ctlrij8gVgr2It91oclq0QOX2YDImOjsOPHJvm0mvkpu; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.230] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JSDA9-0007B5-6d for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:16:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:13:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c86011fa2375ca552f36f42cefbe5ee4b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31be65ba-09ea-4d3e-b02c-471ebb0c867f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BD9622.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 21, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > If you're planning to cover up to 1600 and not just 1500-1600, you > might consider expanding your talk to include discussion of 14th > and 15th-century images of saints. Robin Netherton is the expert > here, but I do a little version of Jeff Foxworthy's "you might be a > redneck if" that I call "they might be a saint if" in my Costume > History class. Images of saints are particularly common in these > centuries in Italy and the Low Countries, though they appear > elsewhere as well. They tend to be wearing fanciful and/or > imaginary clothing, and for some reason modern people looking for > research always seem to zoom in on them. For instance, Robin is fond of pointing out that elaborately decorated or jeweled bands along the hemline are usually confined to "queens, saints, angels and other people who don't have to worry about getting their hems dirty." ;) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 13:07:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LI7YRF018952 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:07:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LI7QWY026757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:07:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LI6q3a005537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LI6K3x012353; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LFL0to052215 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=Uuo5Kyk3yRC7B1ziTIHTbQdiaVS1+SOkOfZg+TJb9VA5RJH4sZGin4UyBkt80DkP; h=Received:Mime-Version:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.230] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JSDEE-0001Y6-Vq for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:20:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:17:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cc0f47575d80740432118b89d33f98dfa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* ( TMR 08.02.19 ) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daddef8c-a308-4459-b6b7-cef870b8be28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BDBDDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:07:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I thought people would enjoy this review of the second volume of MC&T. (It's an annual: volume 4 is due out later this spring). The reviewer is clearly delighted with it and says some nice things about how the study of clothing and textiles illuminates other aspects of medieval life. Well, duh! We knew that! Congrats, Robin and Gale! > From: The Medieval Review > Date: February 20, 2008 9:30:46 AM PST > To: tmr-l@indiana.edu, bmr-l@brynmawr.edu > Subject: TMR 08.02.19 Netherton and Owen-Crocker, Medieval Clothing > (Ball) > > Netherton, Robin, and Gale R. Owen-Crocker, eds. Medieval Clothing > and Textiles, vol. 2. Woodbridge: Boydell Press, 2006. $42.20. > ISBN: 1843832038, ISBN-13: 9781843832034. > > Reviewed by Jennifer L. Ball > Brooklyn College > jball@brooklyn.cuny.edu > > > Unlike many volumes of collected papers stemming from conferences, > Medieval Clothing and Textiles makes no attempt at cohesion; > rather, in this second volume in the journal, it compiles essays that > use a breadth of approaches to the subject of dress and textiles. > This is the forte of this journal and several of the essays can be > used as case studies in methods to be applied to one's own research. > As a vehicle for dress and textile studies, rather than simply a > publication of DISTAFF sessions from the Leeds and Kalamazoo > conferences [1], the quality of papers is notably high and will be of > interest to others beyond medieval historians of textiles and dress. > The eight essays are, with few exceptions, truly interdisciplinary > encompassing the fields of archaeology, paleography, sociology, art > history, literature and economics, and have a broad scope > chronologically (seventh-seventeenth century). Geographically > speaking, however, this collection is limited to Western Europe with > essays about Ireland, England, Italy, France and Germany. Due to the > constraints of the short review, I list the contents here by author > and abbreviated subject, but speak of the articles thematically rather > than writing a complete review of each of the articles. The essays > arranged chronologically are: Whitfield on dress in Irish "Wooing of > Becfhola;" Owen-Crocker on the Bayeux Tapestry; Wright on textiles in > French Romance; Farmer on Paris' textile markets; Jaster on English > sumptuary laws; Leed on Renaissance cleaning techniques of textiles; > Sherrill on fur in the Renaissance; and Nunn-Weinberg on English > embroidered jackets in painted portraits. The journal has a few black > and white illustrations, no doubt an economic decision, and concludes > with some helpful short book reviews and a detailed index; color > illustrations, and a greater number of them, is a needed addition if > funds ever permit. > > Medieval Clothing and Textiles, volume 2, will reach > medievalists outside of the field of textiles and dress studies due to > its use of material culture to illuminate broader aspects of medieval > daily life, beyond the making of cloth and wearing of clothes. Monica > Wright's essay, among the strongest in the volume, illustrates the > shift from gift to mercantile exchange and from women's/domestic work > to men's/professional work, through an examination of French romance. > Textiles were repeatedly used in the resolution of conflicts; > characters withhold items they have made or make and give textile > items. Wright concludes that these acts uphold a traditional societal > system in which women are the primary makers of textiles and a profit- > economy had not yet emerged. Textiles play a crucial role in this > body of French literature and point to the larger dialogue about the > professionalization of the cloth-making industry occurring at the time > these romances were written. > > Also demonstrating the great economic impact of textiles is Margaret > Rose Jaster's examination of sumptuary laws at the point that they > were rescinded in early seventeenth-century England. A distinct > anxiety about the "impoverishment of the realm" (92) due to the > consumption of foreign apparel and textiles presents itself in > homilies, pamphlets and other writings of the day. The texts the > author discusses are often funny, while the laws themselves conversely > seem like frantic attempts to put out a fire already out of control: > the rage for garments and cloth from abroad. The legislation, repeal, > and subsequent discussion in the various forms of popular literature > can't help but remind one of our (American) fretting the loss of the > automobile industry to outsiders or our current obsession with oil; > textiles were such a major economic force in medieval Europe, as essay > after essay in this volume demonstrates. > > Some of the essays have paradigmatic frameworks that we expect: Paris, > noted often as the birthplace of fashion, has a larger textile market > than previously noted by scholars (Farmer essay) and Italian sables > were markers of extreme wealth (Sherrill essay), for example. > Exceptional however, is Drea Leed's fascinating look at the business > of cleaning textiles. An examination of the tips for stain removal in > the fifteenth-century Kunstbuch illuminates value in a highly > original way. The manner in which a velvet or silk is cleaned is a > strong indicator of value; soaking, in the water from boiled peas no > less, is a method for less precious textiles, while targeting spots > (of wagon grease, as one instruction notes) for removal is important > for the most expensive velvets and silks (103-4). Here again, the > interest of the essay to non-textile specialists will be great as it > demonstrates an advanced knowledge of chemistry at the time and points > to a sub-industry of professional cleaning that we might normally > overlook. > > Many of the essays in the volume use texts as evidence, as so many in > the field of dress studies must due to the lack of surviving garments. > Niamh Whitfield's comparison of garments described in the Irish story, > "The Wooing of Becfhola," presents a sound methodological approach > that should be read by anyone who reconstructs garments from literary > descriptions. Additionally, the author moves easily between > paleography and archaeology, making the most of limited evidence to > convincingly conclude that the dress described in Becfhola's story is > contemporary to the writing of the tale. I suggest, however, that the > author commission professionally drawn reconstructions for future > work, as the amateur sketch of Becfhola and Flann distracts from the > solid arguments made in the text. > > Gale Owen-Crocker's highly original essay on the Bayeux Tapestry also > focuses on text. In this case the design process is imagined through > careful reading of the inscription. She posits a Norman, Latin- > speaking patron telling an English artist the major scenes to be > included and distinguishes other parts of the inscription and > accompanying scenes that were, perhaps, ad hoc. At first > glance the close attention to punctuation, syntax, diction, and the > like seems to have no place in a volume on textiles, but in her > concluding pages, she demonstrates the importance of studying text and > image side by side. Significantly we gain a glimpse into little > understood workshop practices and imagine how patron and artist(s) may > have worked together on this famous embroidery. > > In addition to text, some authors use images as evidence for > understanding textiles and dress--Whitfield uses sculpture and metal > objects for comparison with the descriptions of dress to imagine early > Irish clothing and Sherrill mines portraits for representations of the > zibellini, fur stoles, often decorated with jewels, originating > in Italy that became fashionable at the various courts of Western > Europe. It is the final essay by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, though, > which is most compelling with regard to the use of images as textile > evidence. Through a contextualization of the embroidered jackets worn > by dozens of women in the early seventeenth-century, the author gives > us new readings of English painted portraits of noble women. The > jackets point to the practice of amateur theatre at court, known as > masque; this exclusive hobby, open only to the court favorites, > involved the wearing of costumes in high contrast colors--often dark > embroidery on light ground--with a heavy use of metallic details to > stand out and impress the audience. Here it is also most unfortunate > that we must rely on black and white images because we are forced to > trust the descriptions in her essay, but that is no fault of the > author's of course. Nunn-Weinberg's work is made even more > interesting by the inclusion of a case study of Elizabeth Vernon, > Countess of Southampton (unknown, 1600) in which the subject > critiques her queen through the masque portrait. This reader however, > was left with further questions, especially about the intended > audience for such a portrait. > > The deeper contextual reading seen in the Nunn-Weinberg essay is > unfortunately lacking in the article on fur stoles by Sherrill. > Surely more could be said about the context for the social role of > stoles beyond their obvious status as markers of great wealth. The > author leaves the suggestion that they were at one point fertility > symbols or associated with the Annunciation largely unexplored. The > catalogue of representations and references to the stole will > nonetheless be helpful for further study. > > Volume 2 of this series will engage anyone interested in the study of > textiles and dress of western medieval Europe; additionally scholars > of economic history, social history, literature and art history will > find articles of interest. However, as a Byzantinist, it is my hope > that future volumes will reach beyond the West; there is no need, > especially when discussing the textile industry that united east and > west through trade and shared material culture, to limit the focus to > Western Europe. In fairness to the editors, this may be due to > submissions received rather than editorial choice; if this is so, > perhaps the journal needs to solicit papers in Byzantine, Islamic and > other medieval studies newsletters. Nevertheless the editors have > kept the level of scholarship admirably high, particularly in the > methods and interdisciplinary approaches used in the present volume, > which bodes well for the future of the journal. > > Notes: > 1. DISTAFF is Discussion, Interpretation, and Study of Textile Arts, > Fabrics, and Fashion. While many of the papers come from the sessions > at Leeds and Kalamazoo, papers are peer-reviewed by an editorial board > and some are submitted without first having been identified through > the conferences. Medieval Clothing and Textiles, vol. 2, ed. > Robin Netherton and Gale R. Owen-Crocker (Woodbridge: Boydell Press, > 2006), xiii. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 13:13:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LIDGGl019059 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:13:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LID9lA012980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:13:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LICe5s006659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LICbgB021184; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LH62Hb091907 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:06:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sG5U1Y0010EPchoA406400; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:05:30 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sH5v1Y00G3Mf7j88M00000; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:05:55 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=YPRGpaYWX_GMeSqSL50A:9 a=LUy_tW9MFGQtmb57ZviCf6nQSJIA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 a=oxp5In1GCa0ZGr5jdHTKbn0jjQgA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:05:55 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:05:55 +0000 Message-Id: <022120081705.21563.47BDAF7300079FCD0000543B22073007939D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Crill's Chintz: Indian Textiles for the West X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b418f334-2be6-4b59-a2d5-189062452305 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BDBF35.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lauren Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 13:56:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LIuKMB019902 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:56:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LIuDs9010741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LItXAC014098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LItWiT080498; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LItRVV080326 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c32.2765af6f (37554) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M39 (mblk-m39.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.83]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB033-92b247bdc914108; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:55:16 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:55:16 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.107 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.107 by MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:55:16 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA42D26EA5E534-C50-4E1@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Finding Information X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbd2cb5a-327d-43b8-9b2b-b4bf7e126887 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BDC94D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you for your wonderful advice again, I never thought to look in the back of the book for the sources where the author did the research from! This is something I got from ebay and thought it would be worth having, the original would be awesome but this is a copy of the entire book on cd rom: "The History of Fashion in France or The dress of women from the Gallo-Roman period to the present time. >From the French of M. Augustin Challamel. By Mrs. Cashel Hoey and Mr. John Lillie 1882 " It has 293 pages which are said to be all included in the disc and for the price I paid for it ($8) I am sure it will be worth something without losing much. This seems like a good place to start for my own collection, minus the dozens of Dover paper doll books my sister and I have accumlated over the years. I have the Godeys fashion plate book, and the history of underwear, and the history of the corset and there are others I want still but it is time to get into the real researching. Those books are good for at a glance information, and the pictures are stimulating too of course. Moore College of Art in Phila is where I went and they had a good library too, I think there would be no problem with me getting in there and looking around and perhaps atleast making printouts. they did have antique books in there that were costume porfolios but I think they were ethnic costumes, worth taking another look at though. Take care Justine:) ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 14:06:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LJ6lpY020168 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:06:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LJ6WJ2031247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:06:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LJ5v2q016315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LJ5tr2095682; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LJ5qKZ095503 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1517234ugd.17 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:05:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=PfcTU8gnTwWH/bXyHU/lRLCqIw/OiA9IFIEilTAme+Q=; b=oAl1QAzaOEPrZ4NEh4d4QdfM5e0c4pOsHM7YJRYyLm+jM6CJiJ6xPuUcvEYTc6T4y2ereEnSZIuslgib7n4qx7wtXYrceBfjRGNyGfXWYyaQMdsd5oe9o4/80UEqIvxzd8u5mPXbJ5YAJExTOhG6t2Np92dHeWRkSlHht16VL40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IIOHhpbVBDlwgeBlQlZZEEB7yngBTJvU52TIotuwzYu0rrUH6qqBgStVFVbHpThWeUbU/zdOBH8emvJ8nNuQsbSXwbyCVw3Ga1MqMN1ytifNxZX+iXkDMQE8N126sBEv7NFCJo51lLuh80tJKUUu07L6S+Et2BgcbK3JK29eHew= Received: by 10.142.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr7971745wfb.60.1203620745676; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.171.3 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:05:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190802211105t156cbda9h240a693089e49fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:05:45 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: slops for women X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e0f30f6-5c65-44f6-8f2f-7142f296293d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BDCBB8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:06:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you for this. I've had other things going on and have not been able to follow up my original question, but slops =3D women's mourning clothes makes a lot of sense given the original context. Allison T. On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:50 AM, wrote: > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] slops for women? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <192285.12169.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 > > Just an update... I've been perusing through some > Google books, and found this one. > A Cyclopaedia of Costume Or Dictionary of Dress... > By James Robinson Planch=E9 > I think you can click this and view it: > http://books.google.com/books?id=3Df419oz-NWDgC&rview=3D1 > Page 469 includes an entry on Slops, which gives more > illumination of the word with regards to women's > mourning clothing. > > "That slops were not breeches as late as the reign of > Henry VII., is evident from the ordinances issued by > his mother, Margaret Countess of Richmond, for "the > reformation of apparell for great estates of women in > the tyme of mourninge," wherein the Queen's > gentlewomen are directed to wear " sloppes," which are > explained to mean mourning cassocks "for ladies and > gentlewomen, not open before." In the first year of > Henry VIII, also, according to Hall, upon Shrove > Sunday, after a goodly "banket" in the Parliament > Chamber at Westminster, a masque was presented in > which, amongst many other fancifully attired > personages (the King being one), there entered six > ladies, two of whom were in garments of "crymosyne and > purpull, made like long slops, embroidered and fretted > with golde after the antique fascion ; and over the > slop was a shorte garment of cloth of golde, scant to > the knee, fascioned like a tabard," &c. But though > they were not breeches,..." > > There's a lot more, but that gets the drift with > regards to mourning clothing. > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 14:29:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LJTqmZ020794 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:29:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LJTfpd017685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:29:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LJTChU020420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LJTAKA030179; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thetooheys.com (einstein.he.net [64.71.166.106]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1LJT659030089 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anthony@thetooheys.com) Message-Id: <1203622143.21393@einstein.he.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:29:03 -0800 From: "Anthony Toohey" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: WebMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.47.118.114 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help Finding Theatrical Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f22d672-ea55-46f4-9342-c88b86be5b01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BDD125.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:29:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Greetings: I just joined this list and the fantasy list at the beginning of the week as these were the only costume related forums I could find. I don't want to muddy up the list with off-topic stuff, so hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. I'm directing a play that takes place in the 1930's. Finding authentic costumes isn't proving difficult, HOWEVER, For one scene we need the actors to be able to do a quick change from plain grey to colorful tops while onstage, hopefully by throwing back a flap or cape/cloak of some sort. Is anyone here involved in theater costuming and has experience with this sort of thing? Or do you know where I can find this info? Any help is appreciated. Forgive me if this is a little off-topic. Thanks, Anthony Toohey The Stage Hands anthony@thetooheys.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 15:00:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LK0wY8021540 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:00:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LK0m0n008824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:00:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LK0SLm026063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:00:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LK0QLr071172; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LK0MrW071014 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sCLS1Y0010x6nqcA20WF00; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:59:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sL0E1Y00J00zNUK8Y00000; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:00:15 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=VXuIxbfntZBLi7fUjmkA:9 a=ScEkPRwEAwiKKZjQqogA:7 a=rXHcIOxJ4yCF4t9ZVCJW94WVt2MA:4 a=rB4cCWyCDoUA:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1203622143.21393@einstein.he.net> References: <1203622143.21393@einstein.he.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9aaa057ef94a5c1a16f3753c37832bc7@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Finding Theatrical Costumes Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:00:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52946167-37b8-46d6-a9c6-69ec1cdd4c52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BDD871.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:00:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You should address this to The Costumers Manifesto email list. It's a Yahoo groups list. Sylvia On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Anthony Toohey wrote: > Greetings: > > I just joined this list and the fantasy list at the beginning of the > week as these were the only costume related forums I could find. I > don't want to muddy up the list with off-topic stuff, so hopefully > someone here can point me in the right direction. > > I'm directing a play that takes place in the 1930's. Finding > authentic costumes isn't proving difficult, HOWEVER, > > For one scene we need the actors to be able to do a quick change from > plain grey to colorful tops while onstage, hopefully by throwing back > a flap or cape/cloak of some sort. Is anyone here involved in theater > costuming and has experience with this sort of thing? Or do you know > where I can find this info? > > Any help is appreciated. Forgive me if this is a little off-topic. > > Thanks, > > Anthony Toohey > The Stage Hands > anthony@thetooheys.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 15:10:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKA1Bp021802 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:10:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LK9sZC015230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LK9TcS027397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LK9ODc082107; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LK92UI081564 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:09:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce0.261875fc (14467) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:08:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: black linen costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 731b0eb0-1664-49f3-bfd6-a62b5bd5ab9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BDDA92.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:09:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I want to thank everyone who gave me some ideas of what to do with my 5+ yards of black linen. It may go for bodice lining primarily, but some of the other non-monochromatic images were intriguing. (I have to stop buying material for which I have no immediate use, I keep telling myself but I always give in!) Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 15:23:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKNXit022233 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:23:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LKNPIJ028749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:23:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LKN57v029423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKN2Dw099942; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKMwOs099753 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:Finding Information Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:22:52 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA42D26EA5E534-C50-4E1@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re:Finding Information Thread-Index: Ach0u34jBXIo5Xh5ROGGLQADBPS8dQACV0BA From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28516d2f-7e5b-4395-8cba-30c938e09b2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BDDDBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:23:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That does sound like a fun find, but do please be very careful of such tertiary sources (overviews and fact books that aren't actually from the period in question and just summarize information from sources which themselves MIGHT refer to the original primary source, but who knows?), especially Victorian ones. The road to hell is paved with the good intentions of Victorian costume historians... These are the folks who came up with images of 14th century gowns worn over curvy 19th c. corsets and hoops... So, enjoy the images, but if something strikes your fancy, turn to sources a little closer to your period of interest to try to find what the original actually might have looked like. And please, please, if you have Peacock's history of costume (that one's a modern abomination), take it out and burn it. It has nothing but impossible line drawings and no facts to back anything up. If only I could make all copies disappear from library shelves.... Looking in the bibliography and in footnotes is indeed an excellent way to find info. Sometimes a bit of digging turns up surprises-- I once decided to look up a reference to medieval women's underwear that a lot of people quoted from a book on Italian textiles by Maureen Mazzaoui. The author footnoted her source for the statement. I went to find the source. And discovered it was in a tertiary source with lots of inventive line drawings and nothing to back up the claim, with no further footnoting to follow up on. So, just because it's in a book, don't take it as Truth! And have fun digging--it's like figuring out a really complex and intriguing puzzle! Astrida > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:55 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re:Finding Information >=20 > Thank you for your wonderful advice again, I never thought to look in > the back of the book for the sources where the author did the research > from! This is something I got from ebay and thought it would be worth > having, the original would be awesome but this is a copy of the entire > book on cd rom: >=20 > "The History of Fashion in France or The dress of women from the > Gallo-Roman period to the present time. > >From the French of M. Augustin Challamel. > By Mrs. Cashel Hoey and Mr. John Lillie > 1882 " >=20 > It has 293 pages which are said to be all included in the disc and for > the price I paid for it ($8) I am sure it will be worth something > without losing much. This seems like a good place to start for my own > collection, minus the dozens of Dover paper doll books my sister and I > have accumlated over the years. I have the Godeys fashion plate book, > and the history of underwear, and the history of the corset and there > are others I want still but it is time to get into the real > researching. Those books are good for at a glance information, and the > pictures are stimulating too of course. Moore College of Art in Phila > is where I went and they had a good library too, I think there would be > no problem with me getting in there and looking around and perhaps > atleast making printouts. they did have antique books in there that > were costume porfolios but I think they were ethnic costumes, worth > taking another look at though. Take care > Justine:) >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 15:56:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKtaRJ022835 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:55:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LKtS91020316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:55:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LKsx8m034679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKsuYb047207; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:54:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKsWsP046700 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A497131E03A0; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:52:39 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <1203622143.21393@einstein.he.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help Finding Theatrical Costumes Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <003301c874cb$ebcd42e0$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <1203622143.21393@einstein.he.net> Thread-Index: Ach0v+Rt+rLU48FPQ/OzMFQvix7VkQACxh3A X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b85de031-d10f-40c9-ad59-579252b6c743 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BDE540.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:55:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have the grey tops button up to the neck, with overlapping fronts "lapels", rather like a military coat. Line the lapels with the bright colors you want. Then, by opening the neck and folding back the lapels, you'll get a quick color change. The rest of the top will still be grey, but not so noticeable if the lapels are large. Or just make the grey tops easily removable (Velcro or snaps), with the colorful tops underneath. You could also add/switch/flip scarves, capelets, etc. Do all the costumes have to be the same? I might be fun to see how many different ways you can switch to color. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Toohey Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:29 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Help Finding Theatrical Costumes Greetings: I just joined this list and the fantasy list at the beginning of the week as these were the only costume related forums I could find. I don't want to muddy up the list with off-topic stuff, so hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. I'm directing a play that takes place in the 1930's. Finding authentic costumes isn't proving difficult, HOWEVER, For one scene we need the actors to be able to do a quick change from plain grey to colorful tops while onstage, hopefully by throwing back a flap or cape/cloak of some sort. Is anyone here involved in theater costuming and has experience with this sort of thing? Or do you know where I can find this info? Any help is appreciated. Forgive me if this is a little off-topic. Thanks, Anthony Toohey The Stage Hands anthony@thetooheys.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 15:56:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKuj1g022867 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:56:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1LKuZ73022127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LKuEMi035092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKuAjr049006; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1LKu382048857 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4F69F30029E; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:54:14 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: black linen costume Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:55:51 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c874cc$24cb6900$030ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ach0xYilgj1JjDPoR/2ZbaKUUC/opgABnHBw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:56:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just saw "Becoming Jane" last night (thanks Netflix!) and she had some very nice dresses made of linen.A dark blue walking dress, especially. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of FyneHats2@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:09 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: black linen costume I want to thank everyone who gave me some ideas of what to do with my 5+ yards of black linen. It may go for bodice lining primarily, but some of the other non-monochromatic images were intriguing. (I have to stop buying material for which I have no immediate use, I keep telling myself but I always give in!) Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 19:29:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M0T4ML026760 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:29:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M0Sq1p015488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:28:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M0SPni071983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M0SBEh014685; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M0S8p7014536 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sLxd1Y0070EZKEL510LS00; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:27:44 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sQU01Y0030CKaGd3M00000; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:28:00 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BWTPLJhD5B6M2cjNapwA:9 a=B_WIQndmMPEvpPq9oKsRurUvFwkA:4 a=ab-cVblaaOsA:10 Message-ID: <017801c874e9$c8159a00$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: black linen costume Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:28:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a856cc1a-1489-4731-bbbb-a43421c98eef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BE1744.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:28:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (I have to stop buying material for which I have no immediate use, I keep telling myself but I always give in!)>> Many of us do that--I bought twenty-seven yards of wool in the last couple of weeks. I know where about eight of it will be used, the rest I bought because it was on sale and really really cheap. (10 yards of a lightweight wool blend for $2.99 a yard!) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 20:36:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M1a8d8028376 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:36:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M1a0xx032388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M1ZYIE083202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:35:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M1ZWq3084334; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18EN/1y0EIyE8tfQ2FNK4sXITnM3OjEwAA@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M1ZSaQ084273 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1d.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.169]) by mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1M1ZRaG025624 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:35:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 17578 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 01:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?209.176.170.191?) (editor@netherton.net@209.176.170.191) by 209.237.134.178 with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2008 01:35:26 -0000 Message-ID: <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:35:23 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b372f45b-fce1-4338-a6dd-b64e49a7f3ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BE2700.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:36:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >> If you're planning to cover up to 1600 and not just 1500-1600, you >> might consider expanding your talk to include discussion of 14th and >> 15th-century images of saints. Robin Netherton is the expert here, >> but I do a little version of Jeff Foxworthy's "you might be a redneck >> if" that I call "they might be a saint if" in my Costume History >> class. Images of saints are particularly common in these centuries in >> Italy and the Low Countries, though they appear elsewhere as well. >> They tend to be wearing fanciful and/or imaginary clothing, and for >> some reason modern people looking for research always seem to zoom in >> on them. Chris Laning added: > For instance, Robin is fond of pointing out that elaborately decorated > or jeweled bands along the hemline are usually confined to "queens, > saints, angels and other people who don't have to worry about getting > their hems dirty." ;) With you folks out there, I don't have to feel so guilty about being away from list mail for a couple of days! The OP asked for post-1300 examples of "why visual sources should not be taken as 100% gospel when doing costuming research." There are many, many reasons why. One obvious issue is that of fanciful, allegorical, or symbolic depictions such as Melanie and Chris pointed out, but there are other issues as well. Some people assume, for instance, that they won't have problems as long as they stick with images of real people, but there are plenty of examples (some already brought up on this list) that underscore the point that artists depicting real individuals or historical scenes had other priorities than exact faithful reproduction. They might have been paid to make certain people appear rich, important, intelligent, pious, politically affiliated, etc., and each of those qualities could be expressed through specific clothing (which may or may not have existed, and may or may not have belonged to the person in question). Making it even more fun, sometimes artists deliberately included allegorical or symbolic elements in portraits of real people, to communicate messages that would be understood by the viewers. This is especially an issue when you're dealing with portraits of royalty or other important people. Funerary sculpture (brasses and effigies) often includes symbolic or traditional features peculiar its purpose (loose hair and garlands for women, armor for men who were not soldiers). So do some donor paintings, illuminations, and stained glass depictions that were designed to commemorate a person's position or accomplishments. Heraldic garments are a particular problem, as some types existed and others almost certainly did not. Beyond that, you have to take into account restrictions of the visual medium involved, and these considerations differ among media. Colors used in paintings (achieved with pigments) do not exactly match up to colors of fabric (achieved with dyes). Tapestries tend to be good sources for real textile colors, but they are prone to showing disparate elements from different time periods within a single scene, the result of mixing and matching parts of cartoons dating from different periods. And on and on. Marcia Schlemm, known to some people on this list as Katrei in the SCA, gave a bang-up paper once at Kalamazoo showing how the preponderance of polka-dotted gowns in enamels were almost certainly a direct result of the process of enamel-making, not likely a representation of a particular fashion of dotty embellished garments. I could go on, but I don't have the time for a long post. If I were speaking, it would take me an hour just to give you a good overview, and more to examine any one of these angles (as I know for a fact, as I've built multiple lectures around this issue). Other people are supplying good examples of specific artworks that might be useful for the class in question. But there's no shortage of material. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 21:12:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M2CUfP029079 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:12:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M2CNJo032090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:12:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M26c5C086353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M26WBh011498; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:06:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/d6NVZ1BqYf6oohbyRG4jRHbuteZnJ3bQ@mail9.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M26Ru9011419 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1M26Q23002796 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:06:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 12363 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 02:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?209.176.170.191?) (editor@netherton.net@209.176.170.191) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2008 02:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:06:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 467b164b-6317-44a8-a929-3b47b804305a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BE2F87.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:12:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > I thought people would enjoy this review of the second volume of MC&T. > (It's an annual: volume 4 is due out later this spring). The reviewer is > clearly delighted with it and says some nice things about how the study > of clothing and textiles illuminates other aspects of medieval life. > Well, duh! We knew that! > > Congrats, Robin and Gale! Thanks, Chris! People have been sending me copies of this one since it appeared. We're pretty pleased with the assessment; the reviewer is a respected costume historian in her own right and I hope to have the chance to work with her someday. Two of the authors in the volume she reviewed (vol. 2) are regulars on this list: Drea Leed and Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. Congrats to them, too, for a job well done. Reviews seem to take a long time to catch up to publications. We publish once a year, and our third volume came out in April 2007; see http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832917.HTM for contents. That volume includes a paper by listmember Melanie Schuessler on 15th-c. children's clothing. Our fourth volume is at the printer this week and is due out in a couple of months. You can see the contents here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43833662.HTM ... and you can pre-order either through Boydell or other dealer such as Amazon (prices vary). This volume has a number of papers that should be of especial interest to historic costumers (in addition to costume historians). I'm particularly pleased about a paper giving a close analysis of a surviving linen cap attributed to the 14th-century saint Birgitta of Sweden, complete with photos, measurements, and diagrams of construction and likely mode of wear for the cap itself, as well as detailed discussion and diagrams of the embroidered decoration. One of the two authors is a Danish clothing historian, and the other is a re-enactor and costumer from Belgium. I suspect we will be seeing Birgitta caps on re-enactors all over two continents after this comes out. Another paper, by quilt historian Lisa Evans (who may be known to some of you as a re-enactor in the Boston area), starts with an entry for a decorated quilt in Henry VII's inventory and examines it from every possible angle. She takes into account the 16th century quilt industry, Henry's marital history, the symbolic use of heraldic motifs, and the political intrigues of the Tudor court to build an extremely plausible and logical account of the origin, use, and significance of this textile object. It reads like a mystery story. For those of you who have heard me speak on the Greenland multi-gore gown: I've promised for a long time to do a proper written paper on this, and I've finally gotten it done. That's in volume 4 as well. Yes, there's a pattern diagram. Other papers discuss the linguistic development of costume terms ("wimple" and "cuff"), linen production in medieval Russia, references to scarlet clothing in Icelandic sagas, a new method for classifying archaeological textiles that takes appearance into account, and symbolic use of women's turbans in 15th-century French painting. And now I'm working on volume 6. No rest for the wicked. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 21:14:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M2EowQ029131 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:14:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M2EiKQ000988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:14:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M2ER1k087284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M2EQ92018489; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M2ELHc018306 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JWM00I7MBJ74RO0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:14:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:13:53 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references In-reply-to: <008f01c87447$b6c80140$b9b04a0c@toshibauser> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d31713a-7331-440a-a164-1ba7463b0764 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BE3014.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:14:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Margaret-- Could you please reference the Bronzino paintings you wrote about? I am VERY interested ... Thanks- Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of margaret Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references This is not Tudor or Elizabethan, but Bronzino did at leasttwo of the same person in the same dress with different sleeves. Margaret > > Help!! > > My consort and I are preparing a class about visual sources and why they > should not be taken as 100% gospel when doing costuming research, and as > usual once I get past about 1300 I hit a snag. :-) If you want to > discourse on the changes in sleeve geometry from 1200 to 1300 in England > and France, I'm your girl. Anything after that, though, and I am at a > total loss. Our stated time frame is up to 1600, and we have sources up to > and including 1300. However, we would also like to use examples from post > 1300 as well, and that's where I come to all you later-period specialists. > > I have been told that there are several portraits out there, by the same > artist, of different sitters, but using the same or almost the same dress. > Is this in fact the case, and if so, where can I find images of these > portraits? > > My consort tells me that there are also portraits of various male members > of a family all portrayed in the same suit of armor--again, if anyone has > any references I can chase down that would be incredibly helpful. > > And yes, I plan on using the portrait of Elizabeth in the eyes-and-ears > gown as an example of symbolism. > > Many many many thanks, > > pixel/Jen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 22:06:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M36TY4030184 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:06:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M36NIB007101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:06:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M35tPn092505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M35pEq062401; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M35lOJ062323 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.10.102] Received: from [75.46.10.102] (adsl-75-46-10-102.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.10.102]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1M35jdU031324 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:05:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:06:50 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5990a5c0-e16c-4928-b77f-f3a281b2c543 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BE3C2F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:06:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 21, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Reviews seem to take a long time to catch up to publications. We > publish once a year, and our third volume came out in April 2007; > see http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832917.HTM for contents. That volume > includes a paper by listmember Melanie Schuessler on 15th-c. > children's clothing. Actually, it's 16th-century children's clothing--1530s to be specific. I just don't want any 15th-century fans to get excited, go find it, and then realize it's not what they thought. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 22:08:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M38SuJ030270 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:08:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M38KmQ011094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:08:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M382W2092657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M382OT064460; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M37wuT064334 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:08:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.10.102] Received: from [75.46.10.102] (adsl-75-46-10-102.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.10.102]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1M37qds002392 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:07:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:08:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b804196a-5ee7-45c6-a249-8c100244332c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BE3CA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:08:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Chris Laning wrote: > > For instance, Robin is fond of pointing out that elaborately > decorated or jeweled bands along the hemline are usually confined > to "queens, saints, angels and other people who don't have to worry > about getting their hems dirty." ;) I'd like to point out that in the 16th century, highly decorated bands along the hemline were actually fashionable. It's true that only certain people (the wealthy) could afford them, but they're not markers of imaginary clothing in the 16th like they might be in earlier centuries. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 22:20:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3KBVO030481 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:20:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M3K4Av015551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:20:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M3Jnjf093691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3JlmU073902; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3JiIO073841 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B480B38068 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:19:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802212219.43237.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f904b56-abd9-43fc-bcfe-c5940c75ffa2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BE3F65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 21 February 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > And now I'm working on volume 6. No rest for the wicked. Wow. Volume 6! Whatever became of Volume 5? ;-) -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 22:37:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3b0t5030756 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:37:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M3arex000472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M3abhI095336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3aYax089984; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+TpD4sAdrk0ttZlnqXa7r0dmz3iOy+D8g@mail5.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3aVD2089879 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:36:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1M3aSds011216 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:36:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 30307 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 03:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.40.60.84) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2008 03:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <47BE433B.2010704@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:36:27 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2c4f649-16af-4c4a-8832-4ec4587d9055 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BE4355.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:36:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: >> >> Reviews seem to take a long time to catch up to publications. We >> publish once a year, and our third volume came out in April 2007; see >> http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832917.HTM for contents. That volume >> includes a paper by listmember Melanie Schuessler on 15th-c. >> children's clothing. > > Actually, it's 16th-century children's clothing--1530s to be specific. > I just don't want any 15th-century fans to get excited, go find it, and > then realize it's not what they thought. Oh, drat, sorry. I really did know the difference -- just typoed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 22:39:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3dpLx030820 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:39:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M3dj89021993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M3dUls095530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3dSe9094059; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/7pGIoHNmWXjx9tKXVaV4jzoxVtQ55kQs@mail6.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3dP2S093918 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1M3dKrp006173 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:39:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 30410 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 03:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.40.60.84) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2008 03:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <47BE43E7.9080809@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:39:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> <200802212219.43237.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200802212219.43237.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0516f0f0-daca-4125-949d-7d93f9f71178 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BE4401.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:39:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > >> And now I'm working on volume 6. No rest for the wicked. > > Wow. Volume 6! Whatever became of Volume 5? ;-) I'm working on that too. Seriously. Most of the submissions for 5 are in hand and in various stages of review or editing, and the rest are due imminently. In between, we're starting to line up submissions for vol. 6 (something I was working on today, so that's where my head was). Or I could have just typoed again... I am juggling e-mails and notes among so many files right now I am lucky I know what year it is. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 22:53:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M3rxk4031059 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:53:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M3rqpW010312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:53:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M2EqsK087325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M2Eqsk018845; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18Z7xrsKWI8hy5nKlI8d5YkKFIPjXXyvTw@mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M2EnRH018800 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1M2Em9M014117 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:14:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 12923 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 02:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?209.176.170.191?) (editor@netherton.net@209.176.170.191) by wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2008 02:14:47 -0000 Message-ID: <47BE3011.1090305@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:14:41 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: Finding Information) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a7b5151-a4c2-4b0d-9fb9-d96cd6c32242 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BE4750.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:53:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > And please, please, if you > have Peacock's history of costume (that one's a modern abomination), > take it out and burn it. It has nothing but impossible line drawings and > no facts to back anything up. If only I could make all copies disappear > from library shelves.... Even better than burning it, send it to the Robin Netherton Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books. I have a shelf full of unreliable sources that I consult frequently when I'm trying to track down the origins of a misconception and to sort out the sequence of a chain of erroneous interpretations. I pick up some volumes in used bookstores and at library sales, but I'd really rather spend my money on the good resources! So if you have a book that's too awful to use, and you want to take it out of of the hands of unwary costumers AND put it to constructive use, contact me and see if I have it already, or if I need it. I'll gladly reimburse for postage. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 23:10:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4Aqak031351 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:10:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M4Aha9017551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:10:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M4AF5d098612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4ACFJ022500; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4A8qF022294 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c62.276195ea (37169) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M01 (mblk-m01.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.34]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA048-913147be4b141e7; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:09:56 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:09:56 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.217 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.217 by MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:09:56 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bad books: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a859e16-6390-4c81-9557-0335a54ea6e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BE4B43.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:10:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO After I checked my mail this morning and got all the tips about researching, starting with cconsulting the back of the book, I went and looked in the back of some of my books! One book wasn't a book on fashion, but in it the author rather studies and compares the differences between our society today and Victorian society, and how many of the things that are bad today are the result of things that changed from that era, it really is fascinating and she nails many good points in the head. The bibliography is huge! Most of the literature consists of books written in the 1980s and 90's but there are a few titles, most reprinted, from the 1880s and I noticed that most of those were reprinted by one specific publishing company, so I will look them up. I will be sure to send along any bad books I get but most of my purchases are done so with care to avoid that sort of problem. However, I recall quite a few of those basic costume through history books on our library shelves that were printed I guess mainly for kids doing reports on a specific time period or someone doing a play. Our library system also has the network so that you can reserve/order books from any other library within the system and it's fairly fast cause I did it once, our branch here, though the prettiest library you can imagine, has a very poor selection on such topics for serious researchers, sadly. Even the other titles from other locations were again those broken down overview books where one person has done all the hunting and gathering and sloshed it together into one book. I will remember now that whenever I have one of those, to get a piece of paper and pen or pencil and just browse through the back of it. I have an original book of etiquette from 1880 so I take much of the content of that book more seriously than I would a new book about the Victorian era only such form varied from place to place and what rules applied in one town may not have been weighed so heavily in others. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 23:22:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4MGcq031573 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:22:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M4MAi9022134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:22:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M4Lpk4099908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4LomM034055; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4Ljnf033919 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:21:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:23:31 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8750A.AE05F60B" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:22:15 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA0D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA0D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Glowing review of *Medieval Clothing & Textiles 2* Thread-Index: Ach0+J9tCXcT3SptSXSCNeAfutag0QAEeGnG References: <01393F40-35FF-4BD0-BEDB-F76432898A55@indiana.edu> <47BE2E1E.5030709@netherton.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2008 04:23:31.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE1D2ED0:01C8750A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1874023e-2941-4e5e-bb1d-fa493c082c43 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BE4DF2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:22:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8750A.AE05F60B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 And as my mother used to say ..."and the righteous don't need any" =20 Patty ________________________________ And now I'm working on volume 6. No rest for the wicked. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8750A.AE05F60B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8750A.AE05F60B-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 23:44:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4ia1k032090 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:44:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M4iT2s029168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M4i933002035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4i7qX053483; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4i1q0053256 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:44:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (189.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.189]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2008022204435711300jhvuie>; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:43:57 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c8750d$87c35810$bdb04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:43:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b86b1fa4-0162-4bf2-b0c4-65d5897a17fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BE532D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:44:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There are two diffrent copies out there of a portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi app. 1540 in a red dress one with purple under sleeves is at the Galleria degli Uffizi in Florence and one with red under sleeves whose citation I cannot of course find at the moment. I'm not sure if the second one was by Bronzino or one of his students. Margaret > Hi Margaret-- > Could you please reference the Bronzino paintings you wrote about? I am > VERY > interested ... > Thanks- > Monica > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 23:45:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4jEwE032102 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:45:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M4j7kp023991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M4inUF002086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4ilaW054548; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4igms054262 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sQip1Y0020ldTLk540Lo00; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:44:11 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sUkN1Y0043kY7qX3Q00000; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:44:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=28ra6VGLwJ1f6rSBYZcA:9 a=hhHeVfAFRJ7kIuipdBnVFBTP7AcA:4 a=Dqp-bWOt5EsA:10 Message-ID: <47BE531C.5070904@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:44:12 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books References: <47BE3011.1090305@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47BE3011.1090305@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 492323af-cdc9-4a4a-9618-bc5137d18d39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BE5353.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:45:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: >> And please, please, if you >> have Peacock's history of costume (that one's a modern abomination), >> take it out and burn it. It has nothing but impossible line drawings and >> no facts to back anything up. If only I could make all copies disappear >> from library shelves.... > > Even better than burning it, send it to the Robin Netherton Home for > Wayward Bad Costume Books. I have a shelf full of unreliable sources > that I consult frequently when I'm trying to track down the origins of > a misconception and to sort out the sequence of a chain of erroneous > interpretations. I love discredited sources. On numerous occasions I've threatened to do historical masquerade entries based on known discredited sources (including the idea of doing ancient Egyptian based on Rosicrucian Society dogma for CC23 in Ogden, Utah at the Peery Egyptian Theater). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 21 23:48:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4mJki032158 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:48:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M4mCEp030813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M4lwDH002397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4lwCE058857; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M4lsJQ058730 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sR8d1Y00B1HzFnQ550AL00; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:47:18 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sUng1Y0043kY7qX3a00000; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:47:48 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ybgHdsbtsDwA:10 a=Zv0UBs2S_2shDZ9_ZsQA:9 a=kxxmEk-Xat8vhcdb_3YUrWJTTHYA:4 a=72oxJoRhc8oA:10 Message-ID: <47BE53E4.3010300@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:47:32 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c11a363-936c-43d1-b3be-2829b9f341ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BE540C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:48:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Chris Laning wrote: >> For instance, Robin is fond of pointing out that elaborately >> decorated or jeweled bands along the hemline are usually confined to >> "queens, saints, angels and other people who don't have to worry >> about getting their hems dirty." ;) > > I'd like to point out that in the 16th century, highly decorated bands > along the hemline were actually fashionable. It's true that only > certain people (the wealthy) could afford them, but they're not > markers of imaginary clothing in the 16th like they might be in > earlier centuries. Every century and culture has its real but impractical clothing. The Japanese fashion of nagabakama (those long pants that trail for a meter or so behind you) was never practical, and really only wearable if one never left the confines of castles or shrines with immaculately polished floors. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 00:39:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M5d9ZF000991 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:39:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M5d3XZ002392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:39:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M5caQW007238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M5cXPX098434; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M5cLhU098280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m1M5cEQD018573 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:38:20 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] slops for women? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:48:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <192285.12169.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 737ec100-98d7-4588-8a4b-5637590375e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BE5FF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:39:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >snip< Shrove > Sunday, after a goodly "banket" in the Parliament > Chamber at Westminster, a masque was presented in > which, amongst many other fancifully attired > personages (the King being one), there entered six > ladies, two of whom were in garments of "crymosyne and > purpull, made like long slops, embroidered and fretted > with golde after the antique fascion ; and over the > slop was a shorte garment of cloth of golde, scant to > the knee, fascioned like a tabard," &c. But though > they were not breeches,..." > > There's a lot more, but that gets the drift with > regards to mourning clothing. > > Kimiko Now it really makes me want to scream "Pictures! We want Pictures!" since I can't visualize what they are supposed to look like. Regina > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 01:29:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M6T7ED001970 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:29:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1M6Sxs5019870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:29:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1M6SfuY010513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M6Sd2M038152; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1M6SaHJ038108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m1M6SYqY008817 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:28:35 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003701c8750d$87c35810$bdb04a0c@toshibauser> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99f3a6fb-b160-4629-939e-958d8a827d89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BE6BAB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:29:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you can get a copy of Roy Strong's Elizabethan Icon book, there are portraits of sisters that are wearing the same dress but in a mirror image (one faces right, the other left). I think he suggests that paintings were made of something like this and the face put in to order. Regina (too lazy to go down and up stairs for the book) > - > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 07:38:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MCcc7A031287 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:38:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MCcSl2025956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MCZwje045285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MCZpFB039710; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MCZmaS039583 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:35:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf5.2889f053 (41812) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:35:36 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Watch for this new series--Was: bad books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 767c8bf8-34b1-46a2-9324-b1c5fc528e72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BEC244.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:38:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com writes: However, I recall quite a few of those basic costume through history books on our library shelves that were printed I guess mainly for kids doing reports on a specific time period or someone doing a play. I am one of the authors for a series on American costume that Greenwood Publishing has commissioned. Their target market is primarily this sort of thing--reference books for public libraries and university libraries. However, I'm really being put through my paces to include as much primary resource material as I can, and also to provide what they call a "rich" reference list for those who want to delve further. I have tried to track down those stories for my period (Federal era--1785-1820) and, if I can't find an answer, I say so--a couple of times I've been frustrated that I have come up against a dead end for some of those things that have been floating around seemingly forever. Also, my first chapter is an overview of US history, and I've similarly found that even recent US history surveys get things wrong, or, at least, not exactly right. Alas, I can't tell you yet when the series will come out, but I'm confident that, when it does, the volumes will not be in the "bad books" category. Ann Wass **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 08:30:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDTwFA032386 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MDTpBQ023918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:29:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MDOUQX050870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:24:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDOT2o081841; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.atlastc.net (mail.atlastc.net [216.19.233.22]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDOOl9081681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harpnfiddle@pobox.com) Received: (qmail 7824 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 13:24:18 -0000 Received: from 141.154.134.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user barb@harpnfiddle.org) by mail.atlastc.net with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:24:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> In-Reply-To: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:24:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: From: "Barbara" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfb25e7e-9a29-40ae-81b5-0adeec3af084 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BECE4F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:29:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just out of curiosity, does anyone maintain a list of these "Bad Books" for those of us in the early stages of our interest in historical costume? I don't want to look at a book and realize after I buy it that the research is suspect. I have started a list of "good books" to look out for, but a "bad book" list would be very helpful. Barbara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 08:33:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDXRvi032490 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:33:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MDXJDX017134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MDS6dM051272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDS5fO085100; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1MDS2Zk084998 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 55519 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 13:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@76.244.158.51 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 13:27:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gHYoReIVM1l45OjWke8uKlEvAzS4k70mJKQNFunesl.eH0ZV X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47BECDC0.3070801@pierocarey.info> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:27:28 -0500 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200802211250.m1LCoaCa005030@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802211250.m1LCoaCa005030@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] understanding paintings of Saints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca447662-8ea0-4c9f-a690-8d9db62bd37d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BECF1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:33:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is a very interesting book called _The Square Halo and other Mysteries of Western Art: images and the stories that inspired them_ by Sallie Fisher. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 08:54:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDsOca000487 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:54:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MDsH07018319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:54:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MDrivB054765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MDrgOo013977; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1MDrcUL013845 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 28851 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 13:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@76.244.158.51 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2008 13:53:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E8srtJwVM1lIOVko.965ROYx4pZK35FRG1f6kPLldb4L4JK1FoACV2sahM00E31aX4CGs0lPwOTZBa_Atq8fvCGWHA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47BED3C0.8040608@pierocarey.info> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:53:04 -0500 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finding information References: <200802211250.m1LCoaCa005030@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802211250.m1LCoaCa005030@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa2580f1-e8a1-4709-a12a-baee5ebacc9f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BED409.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:54:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Some things depend on where you are. In Ohio, for example, anybody can walk into a public university & use the collection, no questions asked. (Your Tax Dollars at Work) Private schools can restrict access, but in practice, they usually don't notice another busy searcher in the stacks. (I really hope the spate of muckers shooting up college campuses doesn't get this kind of casual access shut down.) Checking books out at colleges is a different matter, but guest cards are frequently available. If you don't want to get a guest card, you could browse the shelves, make lists and then ask your local public library to get an interlibrary loan on the things you want. I've heard that other states are more restrictive, but some are even looser than we are. Worldcat is a delightful tool. Go to www.worldcat.org Put the name of your book or author into the search box. Give it your zip code when it asks for it. Hit search. Your results will be given in order of increasing distance from your location. You then plan your road trip, or decide to swamp the local ILL librarians. All libraries are not on Worldcat, as it is a paid service that small libraries don't always have in the budget, but libraries big enough to have really deep costume collections are generally in it, at least in my neck of the woods. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 09:07:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ME70d1000688 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:07:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1ME6oWf026346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:06:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1ME6OKo056523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ME6NMr026091; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1ME6JAE025960 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.4.168] Received: from [75.46.4.168] (adsl-75-46-4-168.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.4.168]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1ME6FKK021386 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:06:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:07:19 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e786a845-fff6-4647-8d7b-7ad694f376d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BED6FA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:06:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is a short bad books list at Jessamyn's Closet. The lady is very nice and I'm sure she would welcome suggestions for additions to the list. http://jessamynscloset.com/badbooks.html I second the recommendation against anything by John Peacock. Melanie Schuessler On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Barbara wrote: > Just out of curiosity, does anyone maintain a list of these "Bad > Books" > for those of us in the early stages of our interest in historical > costume? > I don't want to look at a book and realize after I buy it that the > research is suspect. > > I have started a list of "good books" to look out for, but a "bad > book" > list would be very helpful. > Barbara > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 11:48:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MGmm2q004484 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:48:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MGmfsI032382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:48:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MGmHFI092598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MGmC0b029429; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MGm4GW029175 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:48:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JWN008GFFZX2G70@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:47:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:47:55 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books In-reply-to: <47BE531C.5070904@bovil.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e6682d7-f32e-4661-bd79-0cb36b41515b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BEFCE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:48:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One thoing I do with my SCA apprentices is show the drawings/ engravings in the bad costume references next to the original artwork. It really opens their eyes. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Trembley Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books Robin Netherton wrote: > Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: >> And please, please, if you >> have Peacock's history of costume (that one's a modern abomination), >> take it out and burn it. It has nothing but impossible line drawings and >> no facts to back anything up. If only I could make all copies disappear >> from library shelves.... > > Even better than burning it, send it to the Robin Netherton Home for > Wayward Bad Costume Books. I have a shelf full of unreliable sources > that I consult frequently when I'm trying to track down the origins of > a misconception and to sort out the sequence of a chain of erroneous > interpretations. I love discredited sources. On numerous occasions I've threatened to do historical masquerade entries based on known discredited sources (including the idea of doing ancient Egyptian based on Rosicrucian Society dogma for CC23 in Ogden, Utah at the Peery Egyptian Theater). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 12:23:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHNh7n005383 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:23:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MHNQ1S006157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MHN00U098292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:23:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHMul4079372; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:22:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHMpqm079171 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:22:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=K/Np+1nSVhkGVzbrSvMIimmUSb790JGAH3BPhbSqrXEUiw3UDLvY/x7PqoN+UlMZ; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.230] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JSbbi-0004b7-4U for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:22:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <47BECDC0.3070801@pierocarey.info> References: <200802211250.m1LCoaCa005030@net.indra.com> <47BECDC0.3070801@pierocarey.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] understanding paintings of Saints Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:19:26 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c093071f61661dc96ad91f94f0039e3c6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 009f0963-aa72-4fbc-a997-b50a89548458 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BF050E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:27 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: > There is a very interesting book called _The Square Halo and other > Mysteries of Western Art: images and the stories that inspired > them_ by Sallie Fisher. I'll second that endorsement. A delightful book and very useful: it explains a _lot_ of cryptic scenes in medieval paintings, and does so with a sense of humor. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 12:29:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHTVbq005554 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:29:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MHTNOg004836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:29:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MHT3CM099340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHSt6j087256; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHSokv087077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JSbha-0005Gc-Un for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:28:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:28:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references In-Reply-To: <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> Message-ID: References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9aecc86f-51ad-48f0-a617-646a7b262038 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BF0673.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:29:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > I could go on, but I don't have the time for a long post. If I were speaking, > it would take me an hour just to give you a good overview, and more to > examine any one of these angles (as I know for a fact, as I've built multiple > lectures around this issue). Other people are supplying good examples of > specific artworks that might be useful for the class in question. But there's > no shortage of material. > > --Robin > Hi, OP here. ;-) I am loving the references already posted--my partner is going to have to play editor and prune down my list or we'll never manage only an hour. *grins* We're going for just a general overview, designed to make people maybe think first before they say "I know they wore X, it's in all the pictures!" After that, it might be developed into individual articles addressing specifics but we haven't gotten that far yet. We have lots of sources for 12th, 13th, and early 14th century Europe, and a reasonable amount of 14th and 15th c., it's the later stuff that I have little to nothing of--either sources or knowledge--which is why I asked. The sheer quantity of knowledge on this list is astounding, and I thank you very much for your kind assistance. IIRC (notebook is at the partner's house) we plan to touch on pretty much everything Robin mentions--it will be a challenge to keep it down to an hour. And I do have a copy of The Square Halo. ;-) Again, thank you, Jen/pixel/Margaret FitzWilliam _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 12:57:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHvbAX006330 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:57:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MHvSvI021749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:57:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MHunBg005413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHugNG024240; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (mail7.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MHuYZV024029 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1g.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.185]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1MHuWha018837 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:56:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 19776 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 17:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.40.60.84) by 209.237.134.181 with ESMTPA; 22 Feb 2008 17:56:32 -0000 Message-ID: <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:56:30 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 844b80f2-ce15-4518-805f-cb6d054065d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BF0D08.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: > We're going for just a general overview, designed to make people maybe > think first before they say "I know they wore X, it's in all the > pictures!" ... we plan to touch on pretty > much everything Robin mentions--it will be a challenge to keep it down > to an hour. So what lucky group will get the benefit of this class, and when? It sounds like a useful service. I hope once it's developed, you'll be able to re-use it for other groups. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 13:40:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MIebOc007549 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:40:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MIeP6K009309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MIdrgV012732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MIdlnE082731; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MIdain082557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from webmail.nwlink.com (web05-proaxis.pacifier.net [64.255.238.65]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0669D6F3CD for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 64.38.185.206 (SquirrelMail authenticated user scourney@nwlink.com) by webmail.iinet.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> In-Reply-To: <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: scourney@nwlink.com To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric storage X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a73ad689-3c9b-4bb9-8415-8bd1e935e443 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BF1719.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:40:30 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage locker (climate controlled). The problem is that when I took a bunch of stuff out of the attic at my current place, I found a silver fish (a bug that eats fabric among other things). I'm repacking, throwing away the boxes, and washing all most all the fabric, but I am still concerned that I might take a bug or two with me. Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack fabric for storage? I was thinking that that way I could at least isolate my best stuff. But I live in the great northwest where it is rather damp and I am worried that things might just mold if I do that. Does anyone have suggestions? Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 14:06:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJ6pgd008142 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:06:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MJ6eFE013316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:06:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MJ68ZH017375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJ65tk016489; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJ61NO016345 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cf2.287d1561 (32913) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:05:46 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:05:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 72 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f29b13c7-c3da-4869-a828-a6985de3c0a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BF1D40.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:06:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As a rule of thumb, avoid absolutely anything that has redrawings (sketches etc) unless it gives the actual source of the image. Generally it helps to avoid anything that covers a huge timespan in one volume, unless it's a compression of prior multi volumes, or for use as merely a general overview. In fact - any book that doesn't give its sources specifically - whether written or pictorial. In a message dated 22/02/2008 19:01:16 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Just out of curiosity, does anyone maintain a list of these "Bad > Books" > for those of us in the early stages of our interest in historical > costume? > I don't want to look at a book and realize after I buy it that the > research is suspect. > > I have started a list of "good books" to look out for, but a "bad > book" > list would be very helpful. > Barbara > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 14:48:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJmPQq009398 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:48:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MJmIp7010881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MJlltD026432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJlgx9066848; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1MJlcA5066658 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 26604 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 19:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:47:32 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: OT observation (was:RE: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:47:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8758b$cbfc6980$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ach1fGt/xGT5eITlTDek/6fSs9T70gADuXKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07c2c16c-3748-47db-96b6-64487aff57da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BF2702.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:48:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: COMPLETELY off topic, but the above would be a great name for something - a law firm, a girl band..... ;-) Sorry, had to say it. And kinda on topic - the palm fronds in saint pics in western countries (Italy, Spain, etc) generally denote martyrdom. In eastern iconography, martyrdom is indicated by the saint holding a cross.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 14:53:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJrBoM009617 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:53:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MJr2IA014944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:53:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MJqZJY027364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJqXRY072721; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1MJqTbj072566 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 31364 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2008 19:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:52:23 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: Finding Information) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:52:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c8758c$79b49c50$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <47BE3011.1090305@netherton.net> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ach0+MXXTyHTRU47RfGzAdnSFnqxYwAkw/WA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7834a883-19f4-4fba-9f73-5bbb66454bb8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BF281E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:53:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am the proud (?!?) owner of a copy of "Ancient Costumes Of Great = Britain and Ireland", by Charles Hamilton Smith, originally published in 1814. Maybe this is the source of the "Druid sleeves" on half the costumes = offered on eBay.... But it's a nice big book and does good duty as a lap desk. :-P I seem to be collecting Bad Books. I also have Peacock, and Kohler, = and a couple of volumes of Norris.... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 14:57:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJvWxB009737 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:57:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MJvQ4K003750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:57:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MJv7Nd028063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJv5Zq078192; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MJv25p078009 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD73120B81 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:56:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47BF288C.1030602@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:54:52 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric storage References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> In-Reply-To: <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d240ad6f-1aa2-4786-b012-734e556da059 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BF2926.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:57:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO scourney@nwlink.com wrote: > I'm repacking, throwing away the > boxes, and washing all most all the fabric, but I am still concerned that > I might take a bug or two with me. > There is a spray for silverfish. I had them in Texas, they just appeared one day. When I moved what we did was my housemate printed sheets of paper that said "silverfish poison" or somesuch, and after spraying them with the stuff we placed them inside the cardboard packing boxes, outside the plastic bags my fabric was in. Havent seen one of the little buggers since. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 15:26:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKQMQi010929 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:26:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MKQFIk021408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MKFAjC031050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKF5TH000314; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKEso7099848 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A706120B93 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:14:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47BF2CB8.6010703@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:12:40 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a0d856d-22f9-427e-846c-3f0f0602733d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47BF2FE7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:26:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > There is a short bad books list at Jessamyn's Closet. The lady is > very nice and I'm sure she would welcome suggestions for additions to > the list. > > http://jessamynscloset.com/badbooks.html Some of those books really are not that bad. What a lot of people forget when doing research of any kind is that you need more than a single source. I don't know if they still teach that in grade school, to use at least 3 sources -- and not one of them can be the encyclopedia. By the time you hit high school or college it should have been taught, but there still seem to be a lot of adults who base their evidence off a single drawing or portrait. Further, the list on that website was taken (without credit) from an article in the SCA publication Compleat Anachronist #39 Costume Studies II, which itself was reprinted from a newsletter series called "Seams Like Old Times". The issue should still be available from the SCA stock clerk for $4 or $5. There is a lengthy annotation for each entry which explains WHY it is a bad source, and the bibliography -- which is 33 pages long -- also has a number of good recommended sources in it. Although most of the books listed date from the 40's to the 70's and have been out of print for decades, they still show up and can be useful sources. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 15:51:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKpNHX011811 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MKpGL7027834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MKoham042025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKoafg044397; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKoVjY044149 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so645391wxc.23 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:50:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=khtDVUNXamYFk8mUc8wpkhXEJ1vlyom+eICAlSZJoQw=; b=dTKKEGJ/8ev1QqhFzEY8SEjuCyvsPgIScEM9NBAGqu1gKKS993D2XCA7r4AhEyvPLhR++gAhl9zmn24Og2K/581LNeC43zeyb9iMgGlK2ptQlBeooBgOOKmdmXYLnK02XtZVOyh2IqokZu80Y4zTb1wxUdqg6inBdyw/SuKdsZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=BsWzFqX3DDmMO++wJ95ky3OKntj776AojmqormHzI1CKe6Ke0jKOgz/bOqqUNTx3PU+nmUjaVOpjW4/1d4cTjlqXd7UxOE0jIvaxp4qdOBdUehZR61gMksBxat0ZtQUGr4ngEyBN52Sj/47NzIU2imBiuJAk8E87F7/lQyZljNY= Received: by 10.100.4.1 with SMTP id 1mr886924and.103.1203713426030; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm1714525agc.32.2008.02.22.12.50.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011a01c87594$d38c0e40$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net><5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47BF2CB8.6010703@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:52:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a23dc55-8d25-4db5-9a0f-0b031e36fbc4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BF35C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > Some of those books really are not that bad. ... > Although most of the books listed date from the 40's to the 70's and have > been out of print for decades, they still show up and can be useful > sources. Along those lines, as I am busy spending scads of time looking for wills & inventories on Google books, I'd like to make sure that people don't get confused and think that everything written on historical matters during the era of Bad Costuming Books is worthless. People in the 19th century seemed to have a positive mania for transcribing very useful historical documents. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 15:52:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKq8ZI011839 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:52:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MKq0A7002590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MKpfee042144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKpd8n045741; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MKpYPC045505 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d52.253dc44c (30737) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a810b604-05d8-46dd-81fa-828789378010 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BF35F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:52:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/22/2008 9:06:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: http://jessamynscloset.com/badbooks.html *************** She lists "Braun and Schneider. Historic Costume in Pictures" I'm sorry but I love this book. However, I also know it's from the 1840's. [You can clearly see it in the silhouettes of the women's clothes...in any period] This makes it kinda fun, especially when they do the Orient. And I love the Nationalistic costumes...which are indeed costumes. I think it's worth having. But no one in their right mind would consider it a completely accurate history. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 16:10:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLArX2012448 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:10:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MLAhto014107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MLAAE3044861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLA8Nl067873; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLA48D067792 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:10:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF0338068 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:10:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:10:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802221610.05677.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fed22fd-5b1c-4311-9cb8-bf7c48a44418 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47BF3A53.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Friday 22 February 2008, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/22/2008 9:06:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > melanie@faucet.net writes: > > http://jessamynscloset.com/badbooks.html > > > > *************** > > She lists > > "Braun and Schneider. Historic Costume in Pictures" > > I'm sorry but I love this book. However, I also know it's from the 1840's. > [You can clearly see it in the silhouettes of the women's clothes...in any > period] This makes it kinda fun, especially when they do the Orient. And I > love the Nationalistic costumes...which are indeed costumes. I think it's > worth having. But no one in their right mind would consider it a > completely accurate history. There are definitely reasons to have some of these "bad" books (as she said, Robin Netherton collects them as evidence of different types of misconceptions about the costume of earlier periods that have infected the accepted "knowledge" across the history of costume research). I don't detest Peacock, for example, because though he can't draw period silhouettes with great accuracy his timeline books give a useful general idea of types of change over time--particularly if you are already familiar with period styles from period art and other sources. The biggest generalization I would make about the "bad" books is that they should not be given as a first, second, or third book to beginners, because they tend to give people the wrong mindset and other kinds of wrong ideas about historic costume and costume research. I was fortunate in that the first costume history books I encountered were the ones written by the Cunningtons. They use redrawings, true, but they're reasonably faithful redrawings, usually with indications of what the original source is, and they are steeped in the idea that period art should be a first stop in attempting to learn about period costume. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 16:20:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLKGwY012789 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:20:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MLK6bT012404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MLJieL046110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLJcNt078852; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLJYb3078667 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=SbDi4yjsFlgxXQUEBVeL1zMYYCFhIoVRm+o4jnOrP2rjmTagYolhMXL+6pq3aDhi; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.230] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1JSfIn-0006zt-1d for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:19:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <011a01c87594$d38c0e40$eb00a8c0@compaqub> References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net><5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47BF2CB8.6010703@reddawn.net> <011a01c87594$d38c0e40$eb00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad books: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:16:10 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c9dcb6e1ab6b0fa887a7b277df5234088350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.230 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eaf5faaa-0e43-4a4a-a312-8f7bceae3e08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BF3C86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:20:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Feb 22, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Exstock wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" >> Some of those books really are not that bad. > ... >> Although most of the books listed date from the 40's to the 70's >> and have been out of print for decades, they still show up and can >> be useful sources. > > Along those lines, as I am busy spending scads of time looking for > wills & inventories on Google books, I'd like to make sure that > people don't get confused and think that everything written on > historical matters during the era of Bad Costuming Books is > worthless. People in the 19th century seemed to have a positive > mania for transcribing very useful historical documents. They did indeed, and it's a great help. I would never say *all* Victorian sources were bad; it's more complicated than that. Although any Victorian source needs to be checked out -- and we should be doing that anyway. I think the problem is mainly that Victorian writers on the Middle Ages and Renaissance were very, very confident. They were *certain* that they could look at a fragmentary, incomplete artifact and "restore" it to what it looked like when it was new. They also seem to have been fairly relaxed about generalzing from very few examples. Modern researchers are much more cautious, and try to question their own biases and to not make any assumptions beforehand. I'd still say "not reliable" is a good starting assumption when looking at Victorian sources, but that doesn't make them useless. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 16:31:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLVrK6013238 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:31:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MLVjp5021172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:31:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MLUJk4047928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLUHaN091434; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLUCCA091256 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:30:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cc2.265acc02 (37165) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-da01 (webmail-da01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.196]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA044-912d47bf3ed8ce; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:30:00 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: Finding Information) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:30:00 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <000301c8758c$79b49c50$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.196) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:30:00 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA43B136929545-135C-324C@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a480b6d-07b4-4533-9e59-6d2d17d046e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BF3F41.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Frank A Thallas Jr To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: Finding Information) I am the proud (?!?) owner of a copy of "Ancient Costumes Of Great Britain and Ireland", by Charles Hamilton Smith, originally published in 1814. Maybe this is the source of the "Druid sleeves" on half the costumes offered on eBay.... But it's a nice big book and does good duty as a lap desk. :-P I seem to be collecting Bad Books. I also have Peacock, and Kohler, and a couple of volumes of Norris.... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 16:44:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLiLkl013685 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:44:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MLiD1S001576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:44:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MLhr6C049888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLhnl5006978; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19VDPrK5vkJ0AbjcAj05lIU8OHF6xKyw64@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MLhhsJ006780 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m1MLhftY009858 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:43:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 29560 invoked by uid 80); 22 Feb 2008 21:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:44:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO annbwass@aol.com wrote: > Hey, Kohler has pictures of real garments (albeit displayed on live models), and also some decent drawings of patterns taken from them--I've used one of his early 19th century bodices as a guide. The patterns are maybe better for the later periods; I don't know that material, so I can't judge. At least for later garments, there was better extant material to work with, which is still the case for people researching those periods today. However, some of the patterns for medieval garments in Kohler are pure fantasy (like the 12th-century dress with curved seams under the breasts). Others are early attempts that have since been revised by better research (like the Golden Gown pattern that inserts a waistline seam and misidentifies back and front). And many of the pattern drawings, IIRC, are presented as fact without making clear which are taken from real garments and which are simply someone's conjecture. Kohler also is guilty of making sweeping statements that sound more authoritative than there is evidence for. Much of what's in that book has been repeated as fact by later authors and become enshrined as such in the literature. For instance, there's that "14th century" sleeveless chemise for which the provenance was never accurately determined (and it is lost, probably destroyed, so we'll never know). Some of the material in the book, of course, was not Kohler's own, but must have been added by Emma Von Sichart, who revised the book substantially for the 1928 edition -- for instance, to include the just-published Greenland finds. Kohler himself died in 1876. So there's a mix of older and not-so-old scholarship in that book, and possibly some inconsistencies arising from that. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 18:14:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MNE0io017307 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:14:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MNDqpi014087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1MNCC8i060967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MNC6nm005539; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1MNC3UN005374 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d66.2562975c (30738) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:11:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32dd5ccd-8cca-4651-ae04-f23d845ca9d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BF5731.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:13:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/22/2008 4:44:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@netherton.net writes: The patterns are maybe better for the later periods; I don't know that material, so I can't judge. Oh, I see your point--I'm only interested in late 18th-early 19th century, and the patterns seem to be taken from the real garments pictured. Ann Wass **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 19:43:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N0htBK020398 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:43:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1N0hmhY001833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1N0hJjT072560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N0hEZH004788; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:43:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N0hBIl004697 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from natalieae@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so659876pyc.4 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UyF4LfB+qbTv8BAg50aiMjtoQjx5TweOCIAaE9CkZDk=; b=h805Pmv95xAY9OId1Vv8k+TQWQBeyqFJ2obWWSAk/QuyaZOoLgYQkeZO3uW/GzOkYPdNI2uEMBnC6y9UeSfCGfo796yc4REYVOQ6e4QdFsE5sK8BGLqjlBPm4I+Kl7R0vuxy9915NhP3R0qJ3AOStJ52Lb38uNEbYGNWsHnUDAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BydFVYJdBPkdXLAXAHvL9XslPO/hx+xzwITGy07wyEsctCzaxOFg7zv9wmHnxOzaTwAmt+tYIQ/f2CYia4RylYKHRS+Bo98Hiad6Yj0WGik0WoL9A+Z8uXGE1Ni6XnWc8bjsozyjX4+YshPEC3aXnq8E5wNtWxlvA/+/hk+rOHc= Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr797486pym.10.1203727388648; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.4? ( [71.206.115.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z52sm2084845pyg.1.2008.02.22.16.43.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47BF6C32.3080508@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:43:30 -0500 From: Natalie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric storage References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> In-Reply-To: <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f0ada07-ee17-47b2-bba9-8e7978651f60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BF6C44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:43:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm sorry, I can't help give an opinion about those vacuum pack bags as I haven't used them. I do know that they have those types of bags for garments, and I'm sure they could be adapted to fabric. I've seen them advertised on TV with the people packing away sweaters, blankets, pillows, etc. I don't know how effective they are. Another thought I had was those zippered bags like the ones that comforters come in when they are new. I'm sure you could find them in a storage/organization type store. Or how about tupperware tubs? I know they don't seal airtight, but unless you are going to be diving into them often, you could seal the lid with duct tape. I hope that helps! Natalie scourney@nwlink.com wrote: > Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage > locker (climate controlled). The problem is that when I took a bunch of > stuff out of the attic at my current place, I found a silver fish (a bug > that eats fabric among other things). I'm repacking, throwing away the > boxes, and washing all most all the fabric, but I am still concerned that > I might take a bug or two with me. > > Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack fabric > for storage? I was thinking that that way I could at least isolate my best > stuff. > But I live in the great northwest where it is rather damp and I am worried > that things might just mold if I do that. > > Does anyone have suggestions? > > Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 20:14:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N1Ecka021647 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:14:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1N1EVHm029580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:14:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1N1E9sP075739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N1E51x036258; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N1E1tL036158 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ca1.2745dfdb (30737) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:13:52 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:13:51 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: Finding Information) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8796de1c-5bb9-4b3d-b685-7476e9c5394b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47BF7377.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:14:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have several books that I (and others) consider to be not good - some of them (eg Kohler) come in handy for the photos if nothing else... But I do tend to find that they come in handy as a design source for modern clothes :o) In a message dated 23/02/2008 00:44:02 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I am the proud (?!?) owner of a copy of "Ancient Costumes Of Great Britain and Ireland", by Charles Hamilton Smith, originally published in 1814. Maybe this is the source of the "Druid sleeves" on half the costumes offered on eBay.... But it's a nice big book and does good duty as a lap desk. :-P I seem to be collecting Bad Books. I also have Peacock, and Kohler, and a couple of volumes of Norris.... Liadain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 22 20:51:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N1pFXr022943 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:51:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1N1p7Tu003326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:51:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1N1ocKx079553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N1oZvl062506; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:50:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N1oWbw062342 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.be0.2dc05c54 (37520) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA085-929047bf7bdb1e9; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:50:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <47BF6C32.3080508@gmail.com> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <47BF6C32.3080508@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric storage Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:50:19 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a992092e-4dd7-4fc8-b29a-b0252a79a5b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BF7C0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:51:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My 2 cebts worth: I have used the Space Bags. They are great to keep stuff dry and=20 clean. Also reduces bulk, somewhat, because they suck the excess air=20 out. I cannot comment if they are "archival quality". I imagine that clean=20 and dry is better than damp. Fill the bags on a low humidity day, so the fabrics don't bring excess=20 moisture into the sealed bag environment. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Natalie wrote: > I'm sorry, I can't help give an opinion about those vacuum pack bags=20 > as I haven't used them. I do know that they have those types of bags=20 > for garments, and I'm sure they could be adapted to fabric. I've seen=20 > them advertised on TV with the people packing away sweaters, blankets,=20 > pillows, etc. I don't know how effective they are. Another thought I=20 > had was those zippered bags like the ones that comforters come in when=20 > they are new. I'm sure you could find them in a storage/organization=20 > type store. Or how about tupperware tubs? I know they don't seal=20 > airtight, but unless you are going to be diving into them often, you=20 > could seal the lid with duct tape. > > I hope that helps! > > Natalie > > > > scourney@nwlink.com wrote: >> Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage >> locker (climate controlled). The problem is that when I took a bunch=20 >> of >> stuff out of the attic at my current place, I found a silver fish (a=20 >> bug >> that eats fabric among other things). I'm repacking, throwing away=20 >> the >> boxes, and washing all most all the fabric, but I am still concerned=20 >> that >> I might take a bug or two with me. >> >> Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack=20 >> fabric >> for storage? I was thinking that that way I could at least isolate my=20 >> best >> stuff. >> But I live in the great northwest where it is rather damp and I am=20 >> worried >> that things might just mold if I do that. >> >> Does anyone have suggestions? >> >> Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 00:58:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N5wCpT030695 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:58:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1N5w4Mj023035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1N5veei028631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N5vae9056774; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1N5vWJp056633 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=Tzd4acEqNQf4076W56fME/CGHgMTXIv07GpgAfwHXn3BNBndBUqtBbftVuNL2CMk; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JSnO3-0003QU-JA for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:57:27 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080222235042.02868980@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:58:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> <1269.64.38.185.206.1203705575.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53fb5088d70c8a068c7d3cbb53681b4e3be0a93365a604a414350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fabric storage X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5c701e2-5d8b-483f-8561-ecfb931517b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47BFB5EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:58:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Susan, The vacuum storage topic was just discussed on another list, and the consensus was that for some things it would be OK, but anything with a texture or nap would be damaged. Reason is that you are compressing wrinkles into the fabric, so a lot of ironing would be necessary when removing the fabric, and things with nap, or delicate fabric, might be permanently wrinkled. One person mentioned a quilted comforter that came out very flat and could not be re-fluffed. If you have time, for the stuff you can't wash, put your fabric in normal zipper bags and stick them in the freezer for a couple of days to a week. Take them out of the bags to warm up (to avoid condensation) then when they're warm and dry, re-pack them. The freezer should kill any remaining bugs. Good luck! Sandy At 12:39 PM 2/22/2008, you wrote: >Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage >locker (climate controlled). The problem is that when I took a bunch of >stuff out of the attic at my current place, I found a silver fish (a bug >that eats fabric among other things). I'm repacking, throwing away the >boxes, and washing all most all the fabric, but I am still concerned that >I might take a bug or two with me. > >Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack fabric >for storage? I was thinking that that way I could at least isolate my best >stuff. >But I live in the great northwest where it is rather damp and I am worried >that things might just mold if I do that. > >Does anyone have suggestions? > >Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 05:37:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NAbD7Q014814 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:37:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1NAb68I028069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:37:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1NAabw1037858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NAaYon018468; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-02.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-02.bluehost.com [69.89.21.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1NAaUGC018417 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 10380 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2008 10:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 10:30:38 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=69.89.21.77) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSreQ-00051X-6P for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:30:38 -0700 Received: from 84.208.78.219 ([84.208.78.219]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user g.vinje@drakt.org) by 69.89.21.77 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:30:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <1594.84.208.78.219.1203762638.squirrel@69.89.21.77> In-Reply-To: <8CA43B136929545-135C-324C@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA43B136929545-135C-324C@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:30:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books From: g.vinje@drakt.org To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:program running on server} X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b994c75a-ae2a-4944-b92f-4670fcf987ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47BFF752.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:37:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I find that the Kohler book is a good place to start when I want to get a vague idea before looking into a new period. I've come across a lot worse "beginners" books, some being x-mas presents from evil friends. My personal pet pieve is an early 15thC period book with fairly accurate drawings of weapons and a mixture of Disney medieval and better documented drawings of garments. I've threatend violence if anybody uses that book as a source again for garments, as the personal favorites always turns out to be the fantasy garments. I'd rather see Disney's Sleeping Beauty used as a source to be honest. :-) Gunvor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 10:03:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NF3DFW003535 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:03:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1NF35aH002462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:03:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1NF2Xef078823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NF2T7d056002; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NF2PvF055915 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080223150223.COCQ13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:02:23 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.104]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:02:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:01:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.104] at Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:02:22 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <00d201c8762d$17050530$68e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT a farewell. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 474a6228-6119-4b1a-9f15-823c24a4c094 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C035A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 11:59:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NGxNRE006969 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:59:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1NGxGml004567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1NGwnwO095951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NGwkwO062430; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NGwfVq062297 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c1c.2c8c1d37 (34983) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a747c050b63df; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:58:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Message-Id: <94e2f9c2a652802fefc59d2fa4e8817d@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:58:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 162f6798-b238-4045-ae24-d20321644245 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C050E4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:59:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne, Please remember us and send photos of your Fabulous Creations. We will miss you. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 23, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Hi all, > I hate to do this, but i dont think that h-costume has any topics with=20 > my interrests anymore. 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The best I've found was on this webpage with pattern drafting software: http://www.leenas.com/English/Standard_measurements.html but still, there aren't all the measurements and I'd like to have something else to compare. So if you know of any good source on this, either in English with descriptions, or some German-English translation, I'd be very thankful for it:-) Zuzana --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 16:10:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NLAsme013732 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:10:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1NLAkHL007914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1NLA47e029265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NLA1RH091818; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1NL9wnc091767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-251.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1NL9uP9022312 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:09:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <33E8FF29-2422-4869-9855-3232C0AF298D@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume From: Suzanne Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:09:55 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5948/Sat Feb 23 11:53:22 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Digest 68? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7106e3fc-b535-4ab3-b4a8-e02239066913 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C08BD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:10:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Was there a Digest vol. 7, issue 68? I suspect there was, because I seem to have missed some queries that are now being answered. :-) Would someone please forward no. 68 to me? TIA, Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 21:55:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2tKX4023158 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:55:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1O2tDBl032047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:55:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1O2rT8W068293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2rOmM070995; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1N3Xj64039803 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:33:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 3588 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 03:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:33:38 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: FindingInformation) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:33:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c875cc$e8f975a0$480d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <8CA43B136929545-135C-324C@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ach1mjVRz4XFrSfTTbO8CWxGD52NVQAMlLNg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61d06b4c-2dcf-4982-b439-814d9a8ed14f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C0DC91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of annbwass@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: FindingInformation) Kohler Hey, Kohler has pictures of real garments (albeit displayed on live = models), and also some decent drawings of patterns taken from them--I've used one = of his early 19th century bodices as a guide. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Frank A Thallas Jr To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books (was: Finding Information) I am the proud (?!?) owner of a copy of "Ancient Costumes Of Great = Britain and Ireland", by Charles Hamilton Smith, originally published in 1814. Maybe this is the source of the "Druid sleeves" on half the costumes = offered on eBay.... But it's a nice big book and does good duty as a lap desk. :-P I seem to be collecting Bad Books. I also have Peacock, and Kohler, = and a couple of volumes of Norris.... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 21:59:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2xDSb023227 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:59:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1O2x6g6001126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:59:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1O2wfLN069102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2wd5W075146; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1NNp9u5035621 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 58951 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2008 23:51:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0gtrQcE/K/1zCYsOXdLqZRjhiKGxB61Awb5yFFf7dDFLqw8vsPGK0a4OPpc6pgP/70dqRGl0gZOzUZSUz0cC5t+GxKVXRK5h7nlqvOXLGLrsPUWRCERjQD1LtUiOUG9l50ro3NGPI3G5RBQMoZaz3E2qGSst/d4VLr/i5Gi7QOA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.210.171 with plain) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2008 23:51:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .X5niFwVM1mRzi9rgaGpW8zylS5qoEGdqHuE_DE8EF_DskMDwKpBSoxrRVfPK9ofCw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47C0B15A.40304@rogers.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:50:50 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcd62f2a-6a69-4420-94f9-2730b00d87d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C0DD7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:59:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Oh, I see your point--I'm only interested in late 18th-early 19th century, > and the patterns seem to be taken from the real garments pictured. And I think that's one of the dangers for Kohler, particularly for beginners. If they see the extant garments with patterns in the latter part of the book, and the smattering of extant garments with layouts for earlier periods, they could very well conclude that all the layouts are based on extant garments--including that bliaut with the "breast bags" that Robin mentioned earlier. "Bad" books are fascinating in their own right as attempts to understand historic costume, often by comparing it to whatever was contemporary to the writer, but only for more advanced researchers. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 21:59:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2xN3n023230 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:59:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1O2xDsH014962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:59:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1O2wvEX069122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2wubM075351; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:58:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O0EMqr051772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m1O0ELZb001727 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:14:22 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9d2e42a-64a1-466a-9cbe-47e984c5a73d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C0DD82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:59:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Don't forget us completely Bjarne! You do exquisite work. Is there any way you can remain able to post, but not be inundated by mail you don't want to read? Maybe the digests so you could just hit "delete"? In the meantime, Goodbye, Good Luck. Wanda > ---- > Hi all, > I hate to do this, but i don't think that h-costume has any topics > with my interests anymore. And as my time is valuable for me, i > have decided to leave. > Just want to say thanks to all for the nice company and i hope > you will have many interesting discussions in the future. > Take care............. > > Bjarne > ________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 22:58:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O3w0K0024585 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:58:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1O3vo2G024714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:57:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1O2tl3s068714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O2tjMF073030; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1NI7QGx025966 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:07:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76047 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 18:07:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ch+Rw2m/81IlaGnOLvM2ZPd5LT2YTGdP0yuRyS10ftxUBVD1DL2dzA5xvSAX5piyBxB5/FfbvnDcTwq/m9LtxZXYPy0iCgChTmAoqE90Zlfa8Jm51JMeTwgSHBntdf2hchP6xD8A3iJGZuA7jCHg/dMFEHsqR0+heVxvY0/wrkU=; X-YMail-OSG: WtcdJuAVM1kzaNJFAqIwn13ipKWOAyQhCodz_dvae7N8cITXZXtY1RsWyqK3AA5uQR_wADcFAJ2IReBipegajHDYjyoCk3OhdUKy00hDIHzZYPwaidTVWSY_GvWcug-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:07:18 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric storage ...those darn Zipper -vaccuum bags..... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <16090.75802.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65582217-cf4b-4cbb-8642-101802d2e301 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C0EB3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:57:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have used the 1 st generation vaccuum bags with mixed success, I packed away a large bag with sweaters in them ,all nice and flat, under my bed. About sweater time rolling around ,I tried to remove said bag. Unhappily, the seal failed along the way and my sweaters "expanded" .I had to have 2 people jack up the foot of the bed so I could extradite them. All the while I thought they were "safe" and sealed up they were open and gathering dust,smells and moisture. The bags I bought were from the original designer, not a Pic n save knock off, they had the "zip lock "bag trac along the top and I figured failed at the very edges of the trac. Maybe a strip of duct tape might have aleveated the problem,but they never mention that in the info-mercials. The very small sized bags seem to do better in not cutting loose the seal.,maybe size is a factor.Or if you don't "smoosh" the all the way down to the krinkley stage, the may work ok My experience on the matter, Melody Susan Data-Samtak wrote: My 2 cebts worth: I have used the Space Bags. They are great to keep stuff dry and clean. Also reduces bulk, somewhat, because they suck the excess air out. Susan On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Natalie wrote: > I'm sorry, I can't help give an opinion about those vacuum pack bags > as I haven't used them. I do know that they have those types of bags > for garments, and I'm sure they could be adapted to fabric. I've seen > them advertised on TV with the people packing away sweaters, > > I hope that helps! > > Natalie > > > > scourney@nwlink.com wrote: >> Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage >> locker (climate controlled). >> I might take a bug or two with me. >>> Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack >> fabric for storage? I>> >> Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) >> --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 23 23:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O4cafk025996 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:38:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1O4cOA3008763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1O4c1mP078920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O4bxXK038144; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O4bu5d038066 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:39:41 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8769F.454835F5" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. 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Thread-Index: Ach2L7OZuvfHUzJ+Tuun7NRc4SNU+gAb3yOi References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2008 04:39:41.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[4572D3D0:01C8769F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7da61c0-8048-444f-8764-c091a705fa69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C0F4C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:38:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8769F.454835F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bjarne - I will miss you and your marvelous creations. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Sat 2/23/2008 10:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Hi all, I hate to do this, but i dont think that h-costume has any topics with = my interrests anymore. And as my time is valuable for me, i have desided = to leave. Just want to say thanks to all for the nice company and i hope you will = have manny interresting disgussions in the future. Take care............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8769F.454835F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8769F.454835F5-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 24 03:57:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O8vXrk032392 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:57:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1O8vQgW029511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:57:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1O8v4iw011027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O8v1W9007803; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1O8uvAU007760 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F0E133D036 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:56:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric storage ...those darn Zipper -vacuum bags..... Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:56:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <16090.75802.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4db80024-bb3d-48ab-bd10-e2aa6bf6b70a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C13176.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:57:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The early forms had problems with keeping a seal I have had better luck with the new ones. The originals I keep for things that just need to be stored but not flattened. I did have a problem opening the new "box" form after I had sealed and vacuumed the air out. Definitely had a good seal as it wouldn't open and I ended up ripping it. :P -----Original Message----- I have used the 1 st generation vaccuum bags with mixed success, I packed away a large bag with sweaters in them ,all nice and flat, under my bed. About sweater time rolling around ,I tried to remove said bag. Unhappily, the seal failed along the way and my sweaters "expanded" .I had to have 2 people jack up the foot of the bed so I could extradite them. All the while I thought they were "safe" and sealed up they were open and gathering dust,smells and moisture. The bags I bought were from the original designer, not a Pic n save knock off, they had the "zip lock "bag trac along the top and I figured failed at the very edges of the trac. Maybe a strip of duct tape might have aleveated the problem,but they never mention that in the info-mercials. The very small sized bags seem to do better in not cutting loose the seal.,maybe size is a factor.Or if you don't "smoosh" the all the way down to the krinkley stage, the may work ok My experience on the matter, Melody Susan Data-Samtak wrote: My 2 cebts worth: I have used the Space Bags. They are great to keep stuff dry and clean. Also reduces bulk, somewhat, because they suck the excess air out. Susan On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Natalie wrote: > I'm sorry, I can't help give an opinion about those vacuum pack bags > as I haven't used them. I do know that they have those types of bags > for garments, and I'm sure they could be adapted to fabric. I've seen > them advertised on TV with the people packing away sweaters, > > I hope that helps! > > Natalie > > > > scourney@nwlink.com wrote: >> Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage >> locker (climate controlled). >> I might take a bug or two with me. >>> Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack >> fabric for storage? I>> >> Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) >> --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 24 10:46:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1OFktBk021617 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:46:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1OFklK9014959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:46:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1OFkKAF018162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1OFkCob098405; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1OFk81q098350 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.98] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1606395165 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:46:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01b501c876fc$5d3bdea0$62a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:46:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for lg. checked fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a4b2cd0-e639-4ac8-9a06-043ffd822d7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C19167.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Not smaller than an inch, = though, as it need to say "gingham check" from a long distance view. = Anything smaller dissolves visually. Depending on width, I'll probably need 4-8 yards. Since I know I would = ask if someone else posted this -- the answer is : we are making a = Dorothy (wiz of oz) dress for a horse. No, not a large ugly woman, an = actual 4-legged equine. I'm checking with various groups first, then I'll start looking at = on-line stores. Thanks! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35fa4f69-0e3e-49d0-af33-2e80e723c6c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C21C6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:51:03 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 4.239.81.81 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.81.81 by MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.53) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:51:03 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA4535B8B7465B-F8-2C2D@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5686021d-1732-4e9e-a529-a18ee9294120 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C21CC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:41:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have never worked with those bags before, they look like they'd be really good to have around, if they work as they should however. My problem isn't in storing new fabrics so much as how to safely store away my garments. I am familiar with techniques for storing away vintage and antique textiles and garments, it's just that my house really prohibits me to do so well spacewise. At the moment most of my peices are hanging from padded hangers, with their skirt weight alleviated from gravity by being draped softly over a second hanger to remove the strain. I go in and rehang them every month or so so that creases don't form and any strain doesn't continually linger in the same place. I fear moths, since there seem to be many around here and this summer I plan first to remove the carpeting from my second floor, which is ancient (when was the last time people carpeted with red and rust orange?? Probably when people still paneled their walls with faux wood paneling and white faux wood panel on the ceiling!! I wanted some opinions on whether making unbleached muslin garment bags with zippers would help not only to keep dust off the garments, but keep bugs off as well so long as there are no openings for them to get into. I wouldn't bag them and leave them unattended forever, I would still check them regularly and at that point, for any bug holes, etc. I keep dark blinds in the room and closed to protect them from light as well as keep the door closed to prevent access heat to enter the room, as it gets very warm upstairs. The room is already a few degrees cooler, being that it is on the north side of the house. My only other fear is humidity control, it gets very dry in winter and humid in summer. Are there any reliable humidifiers out there that actually work? I have a cheap $20 one that operates in the front bedroom but according to my hydrometer, it makes little difference. I suppose that the comfortable location on the meter is deal moisture, not too high nor low. If anyone has any suggestions or opinions about this please let me know. Also, what is a good company to insure valuable items? My collection has been growing and now includes one or two pieces that were very costly and feel it may be best to get them insured soon. Talk soon:) -----Original Message----- From: otsisto To: Historical Costume Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 3:56 am Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric storage ...those darn Zipper -vacuum bags..... The early forms had problems with keeping a seal I have had better luck with the new ones. The originals I keep for things that just need to be stored but not flattened. I did have a problem opening the new "box" form after I had sealed and vacuumed the air out. Definitely had a good seal as it wouldn't open and I ended up ripping it. :P -----Original Message----- I have used the 1 st generation vaccuum bags with mixed success, I packed away a large bag with sweaters in them ,all nice and flat, under my bed. About sweater time rolling around ,I tried to remove said bag. Unhappily, the seal failed along the way and my sweaters "expanded" .I had to have 2 people jack up the foot of the bed so I could extradite them. All the while I thought they were "safe" and sealed up they were open and gathering dust,smells and moisture. The bags I bought were from the original designer, not a Pic n save knock off, they had the "zip lock "bag trac along the top and I figured failed at the very edges of the trac. Maybe a strip of duct tape might have aleveated the problem,but they never mention that in the info-mercials. The very small sized bags seem to do better in not cutting loose the seal.,maybe size is a factor.Or if you don't "smoosh" the all the way down to the krinkley stage, the may work ok My experience on the matter, Melody Susan Data-Samtak wrote: My 2 cebts worth: I have used the Space Bags. They are great to keep stuff dry and clean. Also reduces bulk, somewhat, because they suck the excess air out. Susan On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Natalie wrote: > I'm sorry, I can't help give an opinion about those vacuum pack bags > as I haven't used them. I do know that they have those types of bags > for garments, and I'm sure they could be adapted to fabric. I've seen > them advertised on TV with the people packing away sweaters, > > I hope that helps! > > Natalie > > > > scourney@nwlink.com wrote: >> Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage >> locker (climate controlled). >> I might take a bug or two with me. >>> Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack >> fabric for storage? I>> >> Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) >> --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:11:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <45625.78750.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <45625.78750.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802242211.13162.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c791ef46-cbd4-4492-8f41-331da04d27eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C231E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:11:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 24 February 2008, Melody Watts wrote: > Hi All, > I don't know if this question has been asked in the past and answered, > but I'd like to know, if not. Is there any definitive answer on how tall > Elizabeth (the first) was? Are there any "tailor's notes" on her physical > dimensions ? > > I know her cousin was quite tall of a woman in her age, how did Lizzy > measure up? I recall that her effigy was measured at 5 foot 3 inches or something of the sort, but I don't remember the source of that information so I'll defer to anyone who does. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 24 23:59:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P4xdmW007822 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:59:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1P4xWTt024610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:59:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1P4xCTL015099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P4x8Xd077171; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P4x6CQ077146 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1741831wxc.23 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:59:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=hjQFqZ6R3bIRMSn2Z2uJ8X14uQvDH5RIMQT6c7E7DpU=; b=Lk1hJRMtWfuZ5MBbMSNFUnttePfdns9kKG/GI2AMN7e5BkEHjWSekgCuPqe8LCHRrbkof94RTgE2bZd4xsppQciyfL4lBft16Pu8d4kroTpEmm8sJxyLcJMznWczkvw99534V5jqNuygsG3j4khg8s9koQEAW0vcmZOh4bqqlpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=kMUunTBAAVxe0k649qUVfmew7SNShvVDRRR0KGAMK04Dkw1qgG8nZ6J/z6QIx0Ml54vK+y+qc8QBRR5ZIDNGWCc42OGAo8n3LiyXfNsvDqfjVkHSGBrjjWE1i74XxFTLVruhtPgipvhy787tFKV4XgtSGzxzCI3obAuVHKP8l9w= Received: by 10.100.108.20 with SMTP id g20mr5833680anc.34.1203915545502; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm4278497agb.16.2008.02.24.20.59.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:59:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <063401c8776b$6d2e8370$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45625.78750.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200802242211.13162.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A question of height.... Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:01:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07abd1d9-5ec8-40e2-9bbe-8ef016020830 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C24B34.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:59:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've seen several definitive answers on this (and other) lists, but I'm afraid that they were all different. The one that stuck in my head best (I think a letter was quoted) was 5'7" with her cousin being "too tall" at 5'9", but of course that means absolutely nothing, since a) I could be remembering wrong, and b) even if I'm remembering right, that doesn't mean that the answer was right. A web search, by the way, turns up 5'3"-5'5" as the most common heights given, for whatever that's worth. If she was 5'3" near the end of her life it wouldn't be odd for her to have been 5'5" at her tallest, given the shrinking effects of age/osteoporosis. -E "Non-Answers-R-Us" House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 00:02:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P52iOm007901 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:02:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1P52aEd019939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:02:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1P52Dce015345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P52CcF079384; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P52AeX079309 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=JS2jbWQya7WP/X0EkYxTbYNC2ibi0r2bvr+HZO4Z10IWOBiOpe3W4JMvVTAzAEWc; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTVTY-0004HI-KG; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:02:04 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080224184725.038c0370@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:49:57 -0600 To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, icg-a@yahoogroups.com, F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com, TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53fb5088d70c8a068c7da6711a5822210d3e1143f346cbe855350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Archives Annoucement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: acd51fef-540b-49c0-85f7-69734f70c958 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C24BEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 00:06:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P56hxh007958 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:06:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1P56aUf030949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:06:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1P56CrM015645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P56Cgo082018; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P569wT081995 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2938068 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A question of height.... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:06:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Monday 25 February 2008, Exstock wrote: > I've seen several definitive answers on this (and other) lists, but I'm > afraid that they were all different. The one that stuck in my head best (I > think a letter was quoted) was 5'7" with her cousin being "too tall" at > 5'9", but of course that means absolutely nothing, since a) I could be > remembering wrong, and b) even if I'm remembering right, that doesn't mean > that the answer was right. I remember that Antonia Fraser claims in her biography of Mary Queen of Scots that Mary (who I assumed was the "cousin" of Elizabeth referred to) was nearly 6 feet tall (5' 11', or something like that). However, I don't remember what Fraser's alleged source was. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 01:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P6jI0j009791 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:45:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1P6jBa0017310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1P6iYcW025236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1P6iRKO048381; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1P6iNPX048252 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD6E26JAUHYFFS for (sender ); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:43:20 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsspRVhWU+fBOSE3edO0w9bkY= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NCSCBTSW; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:42:42 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:37:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] A question of height.... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:45:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Queen Bess had a discussion with James Melville, Mary Stuart's ambassador, in 1564 basically grilling him with details all about her rival. She asked if Mary were taller, to which Melville quickly replied that she was. Bess replied, "Then she is too high. I myself am neither too high nor too low." (First Elizabethan_Carolly Erickson, 218). Mary Stuart was almost six feet tall. (Ibid., 200). Arlys On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:01:03 -0600 "Exstock" writes: > I've seen several definitive answers on this (and other) lists, but > I'm > afraid that they were all different. The one that stuck in my head > best (I > think a letter was quoted) was 5'7" with her cousin being "too tall" > at > 5'9", but of course that means absolutely nothing, since a) I could > be > remembering wrong, and b) even if I'm remembering right, that > doesn't mean > that the answer was right. > > A web search, by the way, turns up 5'3"-5'5" as the most common > heights > given, for whatever that's worth. If she was 5'3" near the end of > her life > it wouldn't be odd for her to have been 5'5" at her tallest, given > the > shrinking effects of age/osteoporosis. > > -E "Non-Answers-R-Us" House > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 09:50:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PEoOQe008889 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:50:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PEoFuq018529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1PEk9Z4085608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:46:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PEjpc4076662; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PDDLhB077918 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d28.20a38a9c (65100) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:13:11 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:13:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 75 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51e370aa-cbd8-4b67-ab67-1f9a0f09bc8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C2D5A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's not online, but I can e-mail you privately with the mesurement form and the instructions I send to long distance customers, if it would be any help. In a message dated 25/02/2008 01:40:14 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hi, I'm searching for some information on English names for body measurements. I mean the body measurements that are necessary for pattern drafting. I need to translate instructions for taking body measurements for my webpage to English and I'm not very sure of all the names, I've seen many variations on how to call the different measurements on the internet, but I'm sure that officially there aren't many versions (it's all sure to be in some ISO norm, but if I could only find it). The best I've found was on this webpage with pattern drafting software: http://www.leenas.com/English/Standard_measurements.html but still, there aren't all the measurements and I'd like to have something else to compare. So if you know of any good source on this, either in English with descriptions, or some German-English translation, I'd be very thankful for it:-) Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 12:15:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PHFFUZ014377 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:15:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PHF4pG008054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:15:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1PH8MJs010282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PH8J7m059298; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PH8BAw059052 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e30so1897105fke.15 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=MLgwwSNEzv2xyN5d5WZfaxuWs4MgQC3573wPrOWB0tI=; b=pqVoHr+R1L+ikqfJ1Ccm08FPlclFNDS6uO3KZ8Q6LAQ8CA9aEANLD4ucBqSFRxWJYCa5LGmBqrjAHv2yHLZuSfYYwSqsl1q9Ba7Byxu4slN1cHF12xLB3iGhX2avxW92WF0pa1ITpCcIp6HoIhBgjDwwM57WDVQgm19+5lMeonk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eshonDzTqQWyi4H+d7k9jGd1zVp4179LQp6YtZATlFpgiCL6eQcwYPccn6SlqwfsB1C20xDIvqi2WwuGbPYCTrwpWCNbOB01gF5qgIagiO24Z+M9dkYocUeSoq6O8wr8k+cUN/LgyaF6yl1+hO2Y0wvNPkn1ITkrnmZjRsn/S9U= Received: by 10.82.185.12 with SMTP id i12mr6389060buf.24.1203959287283; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.133.16 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0802250908s48e8ae6cs2a926f7872532748@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:07 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell. In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA13@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA13@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbced44e-f03f-46af-a613-2cdc3f493dfc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C2F798.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:15:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I hate to say me too, but Bjarne, you are probably the most influential person in my enjoyment of clothing of your chosen period. I've never been interested in the 1750s-80s untilI saw your wonderful work. I hope you aren't giving up on h-needlework too! Thanks for all the joy you've brought so many of us. LynnD On 2/23/08, Rickard, Patty wrote: > > Bjarne - I will miss you and your marvelous creations. > > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Sat 2/23/2008 10:01 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] OT a farewell. > > > > Hi all, > I hate to do this, but i dont think that h-costume has any topics with my > interrests anymore. And as my time is valuable for me, i have desided to > leave. > Just want to say thanks to all for the nice company and i hope you will > have manny interresting disgussions in the future. > Take care............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 12:36:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PHat7p015068 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PHagll010143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1PHaJKt016323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PHaFHk098773; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PHaAAV098554 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cd8.24731f92 (29679) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] understanding paintings of Saints To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4601955a-b505-4f6a-9da0-65041dc40811 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C2FCAA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:23:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, claning@igc.org writes: On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:27 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: > There is a very interesting book called _The Square Halo and other > Mysteries of Western Art: images and the stories that inspired > them_ by Sallie Fisher. I'll second that endorsement. A delightful book and very useful: it explains a _lot_ of cryptic scenes in medieval paintings, and does so with a sense of humor. ********************* Hmmmmm.... I have to check this out. This is a little OT but... Y'know one of my fave artists is Francisco de Zurbaran. He must have painted every saint there was at the time [and some of the most bored and "I'm over it" looking putti ever]. I mean... how many paintings of St Rufina are there? _http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/arts/painting/religious-paint/christ-sain t/rufina/zurbaran22.jpg_ (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/arts/painting/religious-paint/christ-saint/rufina/zurbaran22.jpg) Notice how the painting is almost a costume plate. And his daring use of dangerous color combinations. He's Spanish so the canvases reek of mystic symbolism. In the Saint's portraits there is always a symbol of their martyrdom...sometimes being carried on a silver tray by the saint, like St. Agatha, who's breasts were cut off by her tormentors. Here she is with them on a tray, like 2 Jell-o molds! _http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/1/index.html_ (http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/1/index.html) His more famous paintings are of St Margaret [further down the page of the last link]...talk about a costume plate! And a moving rendering of St Serapion. _http://artchive.com/artchive/z/zurbaran/zurbaran_serapion.jpg_ (http://artchive.com/artchive/z/zurbaran/zurbaran_serapion.jpg) He also does oddly compelling still-lifes.[still-lives?] **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 13:02:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PI2UOh015770 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PI2GO1012331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1PI1RZP020177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:01:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PHtBhJ026010; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PHslOv025297 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:54:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W25 ([65.55.138.60]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:53:07 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:28 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yeah, with all the period/regional specific email lists, I find that I too = may be signing out.... =20 Sg= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 16:14:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PLE7OZ020583 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:14:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PLDxkk019002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1PLC9uB049850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PLBnUH089206; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PJCjJj035722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:12:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JTikd-0007Qp-Dl for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:12:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:12:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references In-Reply-To: <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> Message-ID: References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com> <200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com> <200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com> <200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com> <6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net> <47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net> <47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 428512f4-2361-409b-afb0-a441abfa9fa5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C32F97.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:14:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: > >> We're going for just a general overview, designed to make people maybe >> think first before they say "I know they wore X, it's in all the pictures!" >> ... we plan to touch on pretty much everything Robin mentions--it will be a >> challenge to keep it down to an hour. > > So what lucky group will get the benefit of this class, and when? It sounds > like a useful service. I hope once it's developed, you'll be able to re-use > it for other groups. > > --Robin SCA, initially, at the end of March. And then it might be a paper article or a web article, we're not sure. Jen/pixel/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 16:44:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PLiace021268 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:44:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PLiQHg026818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:44:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1PLhsBZ054226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PLhcUB033503; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1PLhSN1033156 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 1A0A02E8280 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:07:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A33F92E8276 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:07:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1507E180069 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:25:01 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:25:01 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references Thread-Index: Ach38xiXWqeKWcLVQEySytnfmt06tQAAZ+vw References: <200802121901.m1CJ17os014992@net.indra.com><200802121628.05454.cathy@thyrsus.com><200802122201.m1CM13om032778@net.indra.com><200802121808.33128.cathy@thyrsus.com><6C2A0530-54A1-475A-80CA-1345FCC63DD7@faucet.net><47BE26DB.7010807@netherton.net><47BF0CCE.2090906@netherton.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c49cc2d-a377-45e5-bd72-59a116274ecf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C336BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:44:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Best overview in a fairly short form and has scale patterns to boot is "The Tudor Tailor" This covers Tudor and Elizabethan eras. Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Pixel, Goddess and Queen Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for tudor/elizabethan references On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: > >> We're going for just a general overview, designed to make people=20 >> maybe think first before they say "I know they wore X, it's in all the pictures!" >> ... we plan to touch on pretty much everything Robin mentions--it=20 >> will be a challenge to keep it down to an hour. > > So what lucky group will get the benefit of this class, and when? It=20 > sounds like a useful service. I hope once it's developed, you'll be=20 > able to re-use it for other groups. > > --Robin SCA, initially, at the end of March. And then it might be a paper article or a web article, we're not sure. Jen/pixel/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 25 20:45:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q1j7NR028635 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:45:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1Q1ixHP025896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:45:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1Q1ibW6092529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q1iTfL012291; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q1iQ9m012143 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:44:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tyVJ1Y0040bG4ec5206200; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:43:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id u1kL1Y00400zNUK3P00000; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:44:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=GSvRiSRn6pn4QMIfI9MA:9 a=cG43Z1kBPugRHixPVkF2Y6t6qdcA:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA13@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <8296995c0802250908s48e8ae6cs2a926f7872532748@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:44:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4be86a9-e41a-4d9b-a9aa-d4c2cedaf1d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C36F1B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:45:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where do you find all the period/regional specific lists? Sylvia On Feb 25, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Yeah, with all the period/regional specific email lists, I find that I > too may be signing out.... > > Sg_______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 04:19:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q9JpuN007116 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:19:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1Q9Jeon019873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1Q9JBiH038455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q9J6uS062044; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q9IuaO061929 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.65094701; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:18:41 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m1Q9HXg24788.; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:17:37 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:17:33 +0000 Message-Id: <47C3D91902000014000E3384@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:17:13 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200802251904.m1PJ2XxQ021291@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802251904.m1PJ2XxQ021291@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Understanding paintings of saints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6177868a-e269-403f-b501-bdb89aea9c32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C3D9AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:19:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO =20 =20 I love St. Margaret's bag. It's uncannily like the "Greek shepherds' bags" = which we all carried our books in when I was a student in the early 70s. Kate =20 ----------------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:00 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 Subject: Re: [h-cost] understanding paintings of Saints To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" =20 In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:23:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =20 claning@igc.org writes: Y'know one of my fave artists is Francisco de Zurbaran. He must have = painted=20 every saint there was at the time [and some of the most bored and "I'm = over=20 it" looking putti ever]. I mean... how many paintings of St Rufina are = there? =20 _http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/arts/painting/religious-paint/christ-s= ain t/rufina/zurbaran22.jpg_=20 (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/arts/painting/religious-paint/christ-s= aint/rufina/zurbaran22.jpg)=20 =20 Notice how the painting is almost a costume plate. And his daring use of = =20 dangerous color combinations. He's Spanish so the canvases reek of mystic = =20 symbolism. In the Saint's portraits there is always a symbol of their =20 martyrdom...sometimes being carried on a silver tray by the saint, like = St. Agatha, who's=20 breasts were cut off by her tormentors. Here she is with them on a tray, = like=20 2 Jell-o molds! =20 _http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/1/index.html_=20 (http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/1/index.html)=20 =20 His more famous paintings are of St Margaret [further down the page of the = =20 last link]...talk about a costume plate! And a moving rendering of St Serapion. =20 _http://artchive.com/artchive/z/zurbaran/zurbaran_serapion.jpg_=20 (http://artchive.com/artchive/z/zurbaran/zurbaran_serapion.jpg)=20 =20 He also does oddly compelling still-lifes.[still-lives?] =20 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. = =20 (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-d= uffy/ 2050827?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:53:06 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Yeah, with all the period/regional specific email lists, I find that I too = may be signing out.... =20 Sg ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 76 **************************************** Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 04:41:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q9fTkW011287 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:41:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1Q9fN3m028454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:41:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1Q9f4Xp041812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q9f3EM079152; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1Q9f1mQ079122 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so412271ana.65 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:41:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=9L+jvRcH105eHYku5x7wDn4KtJh9YBgoKBWyQERjgiY=; b=MVgkygRYskoIrPZGzSEpnqi2ozHTst4pn8SBbDiWq8AADY9UAehR+JdOeuckDtTexCbti08l6YC2GQgW/mF4f2fQvUMHJ2FQX1NpZ7pdF8aIDOnYHB/gEl1qSx1pPW4UOuPX3MNHc+FL20PT9eA+lgP/3aNqtIRsj5+Zy87H44o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=D5MJ1LuUl2j5MGG1OSqH4fUu4LP0re/qBm1kjtOWxf/IH9wPPrTCQADXbpRSI4w9TAt3zYwoBEbm+RGX3fP8fwxZWt5B1E5yhllehshaJiKC40evzazuIcidXsznx3Ci+x4VpmUNVLcNysaqb2pY3ZKu0KLI5jRQ4blGb7WULLM= Received: by 10.100.94.14 with SMTP id r14mr9280366anb.106.1204018860747; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm5916170agc.26.2008.02.26.01.40.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:41:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <066a01c8785b$fa1c87f0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200802251904.m1PJ2XxQ021291@net.indra.com> <47C3D91902000014000E3384@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:42:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Understanding paintings of saints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00eed6de-53c0-4bc8-bdf1-83935dc0c341 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C3DEC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:41:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" << I love St. Margaret's bag. It's uncannily like the "Greek shepherds' bags" which we all carried our books in when I was a student in the early 70s. >> It's also very similar to the mochilas carried in many parts of South America. Not too surprising there, though, considering how heavy an influence Spain had in the 17thC! If there were several guns stuffed in it and an AK-47 slung over the other shoulder, I'd feel as if I were having a flashback to the Guajira. For that matter, if she were wearing a jacket and a bowler hat, she'd be the spitting image of 50 zillion Bolivian women. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 07:45:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QCjWsi007782 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:45:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QCjRvs011819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:45:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QCipht066020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:44:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QCilXJ043125; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QCihuS042966 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W40 ([65.55.138.75]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:44:38 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.199.220] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell - other email lists Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:44:37 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA13@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <8296995c0802250908s48e8ae6cs2a926f7872532748@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2008 12:44:38.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[590F2290:01C87875] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be7f69ba-ec2b-450c-ae4a-41602de63adb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C409E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:45:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Geez, Lynn wrote me offline and reminded me of the other reason one is on t= hese lists - to help others. (Embarrassed Smiley) =20 I guess I'll be here for awhile. As to Sylivia's question: The other list= s that come to mind are mostly on Yahoo - Yahoo has a whole slew of them. = If you are not familiar with Yahoo, email me offline for some tips on findi= ng and deciding whether to join a group. =20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GermanRenCostume/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ =20 There is another group of them - someone else will be able to direct you sp= ecifically because I can't find them myself - they are hosted by an email "= server" that is something like MEDCO. =20 Sg > From: sylvia@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell.> Date: Mon, 25= Feb 2008 18:44:18 -0700> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > > Where do you fin= d all the period/regional specific lists?> > Sylvia> > On Feb 25, 2008, at = 10:53 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote:> > > Yeah, with all the period/regional sp= ecific email lists, I find that I > > too may be signing out....> >> > Sg__= _____________________________________________> > h-costume mailing list> > = h-costume@mail.indra.com> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costum= e> >> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing = list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-co= stume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 08:21:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QDLacA008912 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:21:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QDLUjo020645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:21:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QDKvIv070680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QDKtLZ079165; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QDKr5L079141 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so2765987wxc.23 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:20:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=L9jdCa4lB6dgg19mFY02M+vC9nXsdyjARuaPvAlXTXI=; b=N9mU3RUVL03jujAjBj7hstvqXsSLsxzFBwqpez+g0DXjyWClfYzRhtxm9gm4rORmSWo4OWPCw623pKoXi1LagvT3E0DHcyutqcvmIr/dx4vNCoDExIe76YNDDJplypEvcuFuW9OttgeiZ7pnYBxduR2oZZWAl06loetAPuDz1jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ovlgGKjXUf9KIcPk4UeEBkorNNBmAMmPlUCZRt60csx57qnGpvRpWQVO/+Y9dUEH+wi77Ms46JP1ezFw+DIm3RA9AmTLsly3fhThKwCM3GaQE21u+rBIqsCYwvJHwQVCAGMwXhkSMycbl75iXXHdWaO/eHbJZKaEnpo09uB/hk4= Received: by 10.65.182.11 with SMTP id j11mr9162968qbp.27.1204032051245; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.44.18 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:20:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070802260520y4e16e14fh35d7a8611a5095c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:20:51 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] other email groups X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 382b78fc-5456-4baf-a5c7-3e21a9e317ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C4125A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:21:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Can anyone recommend other email lists for Victorian era costuming? I plan to stay with H-costume, though interest waxes and wanes, interesting items are posted often enough even if its not always my area of interest. The list sure has changed over the years. I came across this site: http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/content/view/62/103/ Has anyone used it, any opinions? I doubt I want to pay $10 per month for a subscription. Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 08:42:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QDgatK009834 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:42:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QDgUwa020635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QDgBKT075106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QDgAEq000590; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QDg5cX000519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:42:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m1QDfp5w026053 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:41:57 -0500 Received: from 69.72.27.151 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:41:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49216.69.72.27.151.1204033317.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA13@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <8296995c0802250908s48e8ae6cs2a926f7872532748@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:41:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell - other email lists From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5007cd4-3672-43b6-b6b4-b352f785d11b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C41747.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:42:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I belong to some period-specific lists, and I plan to stay on this one as well. Although it covers time periods and places that I'm not doing, h-Costume keeps me in touch with a larger group of people who are like-minded. Research, finding fabrics, challenges in fit and construction are common to any era of costume. Learning about eras on either side of "my" time period is useful, and I'm just plain curious about all eras. On this list, I can read about the accomplishments of others — things I would miss if I stuck to lists of one particular time period. Thank you everyone for being here! -Carol > Geez, Lynn wrote me offline and reminded me of the other reason one is on > these lists - to help others. (Embarrassed Smiley) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 11:25:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QGPIfN016475 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:25:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QGP93F020722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:25:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QGOROO003354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QGNvjn085193; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QGNS8P084430 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634F41214F3 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:23:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47C43D74.3020200@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:25:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell - other email lists References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA13@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <8296995c0802250908s48e8ae6cs2a926f7872532748@mail.gmail.com> <49216.69.72.27.151.1204033317.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49216.69.72.27.151.1204033317.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1071b9e1-d2bb-43ed-8da9-1982f710c67d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C43D65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > I belong to some period-specific lists, and I plan to stay on this > one as well. > > Although it covers time periods and places that I'm not doing, > h-Costume keeps me in touch with a larger group of people who are > like-minded. I've joined a number of period specific lists and find I'm not getting much out of them. Traffic is light and it can be weeks between posts, and the general level of knowledge is pretty low. I know all groups aren't like that ( I hope!) but the ones I joined are. I much prefer H-Cost with the rich variety of discussion and the cross pollination of topics. I only recreate a few historic eras but I enjoy reading about the others. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 11:59:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QGxDxt017633 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:59:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QGx27K030336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QGwdTf010274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QGwDLn029461; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QGvrCX028933 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c61.270dd192 (32915) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:57:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell - other email lists To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 966de680-5a39-4eee-970c-52027ed9a4a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C44556.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:59:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 2/26/2008 11:25:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I only recreate a few historic eras but I enjoy reading about the others. *************** Plus...it's a "community", y'know. Kinda like an e-cocktail party...where the hostess keeps the guests more or less on topic. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 13:23:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QIN77n020627 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:23:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QIMYNv031975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QIM9Aa025939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QIKaLZ043705; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:20:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QIKKjx043209 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so3455854wri.3 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:20:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=t5qR/DT2VNJmL/Av8LbJB6Lf4Fmfn0968usDSrHq4+w=; b=L0TMhLg6L8ps237/JZ2r9kakQbKlbTnfmBaQqJlgzkIZS2DLY19jTVZUnXEmVqB77opWNwh18R4Bsw/drYUx7tB0QqbTnRWiY2PJfe1VYnJb6LdUat9MpAziCKyfdshvKofQyJPQF6qxtvKiDrbjKq6eFc8zwZrMA8WZ1aSNI7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HzT7B/Tz8SigMmB4J1H97OiGXeXXdYUJWPjEv+bEKowPjaHjCpLaPuQ2DymVIo5X3kbREK+pKVZmXdmrEyleHDArYLLaXswtuzvR9Dy+xWfNz3X5+kQ8FtqSwGXJPavCmz7Hn7dkTlyGFKQO3Zb30S9rXgN5idtwB8RQKiVUGI4= Received: by 10.141.51.15 with SMTP id d15mr3568217rvk.106.1204050013253; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.45.8 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:20:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:20:13 -0800 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A good use for bad costume books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccb104cc-0114-480b-8409-ac6be099ee22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C458EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:23:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > Oh, I see your point--I'm only interested in late 18th-early 19th century, > > and the patterns seem to be taken from the real garments pictured. A good use for bad costume books? I like to use a pile of them as a monitor stand. Kohler's just too small. Into the bin! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 14:01:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QJ13kc022051 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:01:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1QJ0u7o023532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:01:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1QJ0UjJ034497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QJ0E3F000873; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QJ00de000537 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACCF38068 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT a farewell - other email lists Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <49216.69.72.27.151.1204033317.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <47C43D74.3020200@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <47C43D74.3020200@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802261400.13665.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f08c654-080d-4233-bcfb-49cbaee036a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C461E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:01:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 26 February 2008, Dawn wrote: > I've joined a number of period specific lists and find I'm not getting > much out of them. Traffic is light and it can be weeks between posts, > and the general level of knowledge is pretty low. I know all groups > aren't like that ( I hope!) but the ones I joined are. I much prefer > H-Cost with the rich variety of discussion and the cross pollination of > topics. I only recreate a few historic eras but I enjoy reading about > the others. > That's pretty much my experience as well. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 21:35:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R2ZJBW004858 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:35:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1R2ZCav005785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1R2YlOj099885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R2Yehb019981; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R1SvFJ058485 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:28:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 ([70.23.21.124]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JWV002AMIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:28:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:28:57 -0500 From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-index: Ach44B+VcXG5451bQpGg9puCYNbQjA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 34386dbc-1d82-42d4-acdb-d86f80cb8a82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C4CC60.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:35:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for something earlier. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 21:35:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R2ZTWj004861 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:35:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1R2ZL9G031115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:35:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1R2Z26v099951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R2Z0SF020471; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1QNb9Mo054050 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so3678821wri.3 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:37:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=Mvc/dv/1CNShzshav0dkYzTH9Bdb7LKgmIbQ2EQ8Hls=; b=GA7jt9GI8rwdEE20wI2BvSdrEhBR0Su1OUdzp36I7Hnn7JGXh13xjIRvQyqLV5B0Q7tWUO3TsUkFa0+6DiU1qX3ISSkJ3EBcX5BINk5ghqUHym6eNytw+SJjvnYPYQTHFhi2ezZBS0sfVf4JY8Rt/8OWYxjDOyKeyKRNLBZPdhU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=LAZpCNGJtcBnqGTFgroreY1+cwXd6eIZedPvYzlGa8Fv9bH6DhPN3LNwJZRFFfZynSjQsx5zlUH8DdsGP/G2GC6G2Dg485kqaxkrG/LerdwUl/AydBqe5AqxKgWQuJ2wlfp3PIcLkTP0BVVICqfoJweZv9YuUDu+vC3TNC76RhM= Received: by 10.140.82.38 with SMTP id f38mr3872383rvb.30.1204069022509; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm9172321rnb.16.2008.02.26.15.36.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <3586f5070802260520y4e16e14fh35d7a8611a5095c4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070802260520y4e16e14fh35d7a8611a5095c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:36:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ach4eoFCHvEG2LH1R1eHAIy+Fc5UDwAU0h2w Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47c4a29d.0254260a.5d36.6da4@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] yourwardrobeunlockd was other email groups X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f92cfc99-6a92-4aad-af13-4f4826b538f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C4CC69.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:35:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ is by far one of the best subscriptions I have ever paid for short of my Victoria magazine (which btw is back!!). I downloaded one article and was amazed at the knowledge I got, from just one article!! It is a pretty serious magazine for really serious costumers and tailors. She is always seeking out folks to interview and add articles on their expertise to it. She has a personal blog, http://harmanhay.livejournal.com/, and a blog for the magazine, http://syndicated.livejournal.com/wardrob_unlockd, that you can join to read about what is going on before you get a subscription. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Katy Bishop Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] other email groups Can anyone recommend other email lists for Victorian era costuming? I plan to stay with H-costume, though interest waxes and wanes, interesting items are posted often enough even if its not always my area of interest. The list sure has changed over the years. I came across this site: http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/content/view/62/103/ Has anyone used it, any opinions? I doubt I want to pay $10 per month for a subscription. Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 26 23:34:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R4YRYB008145 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:34:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1R4YKQW009098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1R4Xq3V013688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R4XojB017367; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:33:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R4XkNS017303 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67ECD54F46 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:33:45 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:33:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58f020bf-ef9a-483f-9168-4ab1e5f43a35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C4E84C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:34:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 1880s in Paris Worth, Pingat, and Laferriere was labeling then -----Original Message----- Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for something earlier. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 01:09:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R69Su3010096 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:09:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1R69KN1017491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1R68itZ027246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:08:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R68eiR091654; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R68bEg091560 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c55.2972d3a1 (37566) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D26 (fwm-d26.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.2]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-92be47c4fe5d123; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:08:29 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:08:29 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.154 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.154 by FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.2) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:08:29 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What is a serious costumer? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d66901cb-ced4-4484-a6b2-b7345e072065 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C4FE90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:09:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good evening to all of you and hope my series of questioning doesn't seem silly but for some reason I am still having trouble trying to decypher the difference between an amateur costumer (myself, one who has a general knowledge of a topic) and one who is a serious costumer, or professional. Moreso, I am very much driven to enhance my education and skills as a costumer but just can't seem to learn what steps to take to increase my level! I know of the people who have specific period correct skills such as needlework, etc and those who reguarly attend specific classes, but find most of the options I have for reaching those resources of knowlege in person are separate from me by great divides, distance and finances especially. It is with hope that in joining this list, and now with keen interest in the "wardrobe" subscription that was mentioned in earlier posts today that being in communication with such groups is a good start, though it isn't certain how effective joining any amount of lists will be in turning my somewhat sedentary costuming hobby into something very sucessful and active. What does it take? How many hours about do those of you who are consider yourselves serious put into your work. Does using reproduced original patterns, altered modern period patterns, and self drafted patterns to construct a garment in period with period styling of fabrics, trims, etc. that is correct for fit, style, etc, count in calling oneself a costumer? When I have the chance, I will post photos of the work I have done and if it wouldn't be an inconvenience, I would greatly appreciate any working feedback on what I have done thus far, possibly on improvements or suggestions on what to try additionally. At this point, resources limited, I am not incredibly focused on having exactly authentic fabrics or trims, but am generally using the best I can find that still contains a rather period looking feel. Meaning, the material could be modern from Joann's and maybe not in material used in 1860 per se or possibly even an authentic colour, but is period looking and nothing obviously out of time frame. Luckily, despite many unsucessful google searches for period fabrics or reproduction fabrics, today I stumbled onto a website for a small supply store that can only be one that someone had told me about at a Civil War ball near Gettysburg last year. I was searching for millinery wire and in spotting the phone number curiously looked for the address as it was a recognizable area code. They sell what I believe to be civil war era fabrics for reenactors and other notions, I can't wait to trek out that way and visit this summer. It is the other elements of costuming that confuse me, such as where to learn what exact dyes were being used in each era, aside from what colours were represented in current fashion plates and the variations of skirt lengths and widths from year to year. Surely at this point in reading the many facets of direction I am in need of I seem like too much inexperience to be helped with one answer but any advice would help. thank you so much for your time, again:) Justine. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 02:50:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R7o5Ll032326 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:50:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1R7nvBB019332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:50:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1R7muK8034965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R7mrWN057630; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1R7mnL9057491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-91-190.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.91.190] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JUH1v-0002Ge-8q for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:48:43 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227074639.03745dc0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:48:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing In-Reply-To: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7fff119-2e70-4328-ae02-ce9da1bd8059 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C51625.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:50:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:28 27/02/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels >in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know >House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for >something earlier. I have a Worth bodice of around 1860 (ish) which has a label in it, if that is any help? I will be doing a "show and tell" with it shortly if you want me to scan it and send it off list? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 09:42:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1REgifJ015388 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:42:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1REgbou013637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:42:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1REfcYG086756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1REfX8f021962; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1REfV5H021916 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so4215807qba.1 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:41:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZALaz4q0QW8ypf85H8jCrVYIv0VTwN8ZBhdTUjZ3Z2w=; b=AidQw7eNyHB6//8SMcFP2WmnsmXtHcUG0n6PGL04KAPkASVLmB7anpYo7DYq6xJTJqSDFMhB9f5j3c11XZTCRT+Du2X1z9mmZ+miZ0cVp2cyiwpT9kwFQx1En9dAEncSlsDU/Tf6U8cjupLhU5awtVa3NlcA6Kr+qqqTkAVsIEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MsBsPtXxdJbPvOBrwZoCFs59Rphfaq7i/cO9zixviO0FY784Z6k2xqFc0Lx7MC3Q3hm3Gy0fxVeJ8lpjvnEXLIlleyap9CGGg3F3Efnl9eix5HdMrL2Gac8BJXFsJ0NQoo0RZ0Bt0APuIz22SdF/5A/uLRzp/jxGoi183z8mBCU= Received: by 10.65.220.8 with SMTP id x8mr11782656qbq.39.1204123290924; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.44.18 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:41:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070802270641x1e8d7bc2k5703c8694a0024e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:41:30 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080227074639.03745dc0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080227074639.03745dc0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de9faeae-4fae-4556-9d86-a9826837b2ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C576DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:42:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a Pingat evening bodice, 1860s, with a waist tape label. Katy On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 01:28 27/02/2008, you wrote: > >Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels > >in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know > >House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for > >something earlier. > > > I have a Worth bodice of around 1860 (ish) which has a label in it, > if that is any help? I will be doing a "show and tell" with it > shortly if you want me to scan it and send it off list? > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 09:55:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1REtIOo015762 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:55:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1REt4QK019730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1REsbd1088139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1REsVL5034704; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1REsSZR034573 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.234.223] Received: from [75.45.234.223] (adsl-75-45-234-223.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.234.223]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1REsLKR000930 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:54:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a serious costumer? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:55:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5a4624d-ef40-433f-b957-3e7cf44ced65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C579C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:55:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Justine, I wouldn't worry so much about labels. All of us have different skill sets, and we all aim to improve over time. Some of us are lucky enough to make our living doing this, but there are many others who are quite serious and highly skilled but who are not technically professionals. You've already started taking the right steps to improve your knowledge and skills. You've gotten some good tips on research, so that's one thing you can do. If you're interested in the mid-19th century, look online first at some of the fashion plates from Godey's Lady's Book and some of the others from that era. Examples can be found at http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/godeytitle.html http://www.iath.virginia.edu/utc/sentimnt/gallgodyf.html http://www.history.rochester.edu/godeys/toc-m.htm There are plenty of other places online where you can find images from the 19th century http://www.costumegallery.com/ (some content requires subscription) http://www.vintagevictorian.com/Victorian.html http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html http://www.marquise.de/en/1800/index.shtml and sites that have images of extant garments: http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/ http://www.elegantvintage.com/ http://www.meg-andrews.com/ http://www.vintagetextile.com/index.html http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau.asp http://dept.kent.edu/museum/costume/bonc/3timesearch/tsnineteenth/ 19.html These will give you more information on styles, details, construction, and materials. The closer you can get to those, the better your costumes will be. In fact, they'll start looking like historic clothing rather than costumes. Try choosing a specific year or two and researching the clothing of that time. Then narrow it down to a country and then a region, because there were certainly regional differences, even within countries. For example, people in New York City in 1850 were wearing very different clothing than those in rural Kansas in the same year. Then focus on a specific type of garment--evening gowns or working dresses or maternity dresses. As you narrow your research, you'll begin to see the details of cut, color, fabric, style, etc. much more clearly. Once you're ready to start on a new project, there are some places online selling fabrics and other materials for 19th-century reproductions, including http://www.corsetmaking.com/ http://www.grannd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GS&Category_Code=CC http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/index.php http://www.periodfabric.com/ http://www.colonialcrafts.com/category/Reproduction_Fabric/c41 There are of course many purveyors of reproduction patterns out there of varying qualities. Reviews of some of them can be found at http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/ If you have strong patterning skills, you can use one of the books that reproduce 19th-century patterns, like those sold at R.L. Shep http://www.rlshep.com/ As for dyes, the mid-19th century was an exciting time. I can't recommend any specific resources, but you might try some histories of textiles to start and see what their sources are for this particular period. I've taken most of the links above from my online bookmark site at http://del.icio.us/melisant which has many many other fun links. Feel free to browse. Melanie Schuessler (also a contributor to Your Wardrobe Unlock'd) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 11:18:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RGIwJQ018278 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:18:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1RGIpfN024058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1RGIF0u099385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RGI91I028542; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RGI1j6028276 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:18:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12B0121727 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:17:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47C58DAD.9030305@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:19:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a serious costumer? References: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 833336b1-6798-4e2b-a08a-643820314089 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C58D6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:18:57 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > I am still having trouble trying to decypher the difference between an > amateur costumer (myself, one who has a general knowledge of a topic) > and one who is a serious costumer, or professional. A professional costumer is one who gets paid for her services and who lists such income on her tax forms at the end of the year. Professionals may also have published costume research in a professional or academic journal. I won't say it's people who can make a living at costuming, because very few can. An amateur is someone who does it because they love it and it's fun, not because it is a job or there is some kind of professional recognition involved. (I'm not saying professionals don't love what they do) Most of the people you will meet at recreation events, renaissance faires, and science fiction conventions are going to be amateurs, regardless of the level of sewing expertise they have. Justine, can you do us a favor and use paragraph breaks when you write. It will make your posts so much easier to read. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 12:33:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RHX7J9020083 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:33:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1RHWtjV011709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:33:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1RHVvUY011721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RHVRx2026192; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp17.kp.org [162.119.133.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RHVFh7025915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m1RFwUDE032303 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:31:14 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat003.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:31:08 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200802270235.m1R2Yor9020238@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:31:05 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/27/2008 09:31:08 AM, Serialize complete at 02/27/2008 09:31:08 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-02-27 - 09:31:14 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Your Wardrobe Unlock'd (was: other email groups) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d847d5f7-74c7-4005-ab03-3f6d17580870 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C59EC7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I thought the article on how to take your costuming to the next level was particularly thought inspiring, and I've heard nice things about the corset pattern drafting tutorial - which I haven't tried to use, being much fonder of draping then flat patterning as a technique. Currently I rate it at about the same level as _Threads_ - but since my sewing is almost entirely costuming, it's more on-target for me then much of _Threads_ is. I was concerned about the price too, but so far, I haven't regretted it, and unlike regular magazines you can opt out at any time. Of course, I may be biased - I'm being profiled in this month's issue ;-) -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 16:19:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RLJx5w027344 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:19:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1RLJmrL010486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:19:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1RLJ3pD049107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:19:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RLIbj7026789; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp6.kp.org [162.119.233.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1RLINVK026533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:18:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m1RJgfCW002202 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:18:22 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:18:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200802271902.m1RJ20ua058672@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Your Wardrobe Unlock'd (was: other email groups MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:18:16 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 02/27/2008 01:21:14 PM, Serialize complete at 02/27/2008 01:21:14 PM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-02-27 - 13:18:22 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d32b7cc2-0c6d-477e-b61e-2321a1e709f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C5D3F4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 22:04:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S34rpu003640 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:04:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1S34kbp028736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:04:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1S34HFN089719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:04:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S34CFj084126; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S349Ef083987 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080228030357.QSYO5653.mta11.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:03:57 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080228030356.KUZB14098.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:03:56 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200802270235.m1R2Yor9020238@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:03:52 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c879b6$8cb79770$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Ach5ZwRA0CEHvG6OSjOLAK/DqDm0sgATywbA X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You form for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 806aca94-42ee-481a-9100-d130c35376e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C624CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:04:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know that we have had the discussion of dress forms on this list many times, and wanted to inform that I have put up a UY form on ebay for sale (Item Id: 110228560792) It is a size Medium. Why am I getting rid of it? Well, it's 25 lbs too big :) and while UY forms squish, they don't squish *that* much! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 27 22:26:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S3QvW4003948 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:26:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1S3Qol5013035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:26:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1S3QPV1012118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S3OlFs020004; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S3NPGZ017107 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.28] (helo=mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JUZLM-0005h5-6L for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:22:00 -0500 Received: from 4.90.57.76 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: <17266976.1204168920146.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:21:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd6916e95586b19dd47fb48eff7e2a9ae722cb31c92fc090f552350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.28 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] THE SERIOUS COSTUMER X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33aa7c48-7e52-4922-b668-ad29ce9cbc8e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C629FA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:26:56 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Justine, My dear you are on the right track. I have a question for you. What and why are you costuming? To earn a living; to learn a skill and gain knowledge;to fulfill artistic urges;to achieve recognition?, etc. Do you want to teach; to draft patterns; to sew; to costume for competitions; for plays; for re-enactments; for yourself, etc.? Find your dimensions. Find where you want to work. I do plays. Now after thirty seven years, mostly on small stage in community theatre. Previously I worked small stages in colleges and universities and parks and recreation departments of several cities in Los Angeles. Two years I did the only work for a high school ever - I costumed Miss Drill Team USA competition entries. The first year was a US second place. The next year was a US first and an international second. That was for the drill team of which my work was only a part. I've made very little money often having to carry a second job between contracts. I didn't want to teach so never applied. I research, in a shallow way (there is not a lot time for it in the short prep period)all my plays. I've a MFA, UCLA and six respected awards. Re-enactors don't work the way I do, that is "quick and dirty." There are many different facets to being a costume designer. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 02:27:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S7RHEG020796 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:27:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1S7R9wg028662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1S7Qcsu004146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:26:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S7QYpo064244; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S7QVmu064023 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bec.1dd3888a (37144) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-DF13 (webmail-df13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.77]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA036-911847c66216178; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:26:14 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:26:15 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.60.35 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34865-BASIC Received: from 4.239.60.35 by WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.77) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:26:14 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA47F2560734C3-564-2803@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What is a serious costumer? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33e1448d-98fd-4b36-8769-b3fb86a27742 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C6624D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello and thank you for such wonderful replies to last nights' posting they were very helpful, structural, ideas to relfect on and things to look into. I cannot wait for some extra time to explore the links you sent to me Melanie. Some of them I recognize and have saved in my favourites but a good many look new to me:) In terms of what interests me most about costuming, it is very hard to say and off the top of my head many of the possible directions one may take with such an artform are equally appealing to me in that knowing which one to concentrate on most is difficult. I know it is hard to make steady, let alone good money using costuming as the basis for a career and if I could that would be wonderful. The elements I have found to be most rewarding or invigorating thus far have been in the actual styling of a garment's materials, trims, etc and developing a design. I enjoy that part moreso than the sewing since sewing the project is often tedious and time consuming and my skills not always good and it would be more fun in creating a new piece if I could complete it before I get tired of seeing it. I love anything about the Victorian era in way in which I want to jump through time and live that life and the fashion is an exciting part of it. Wearing of the garments is not just for special events or reenacting for me, it is somewhat of my lifestyle at this point and though it's hard to pull off a full bustle to go to the food store, there are ways to mix and match modern and old pieces to create an ensemble that carries the essence of old fashion. I collect period peices no matter what condition and enjoy the research alot. I attended Moore College of Art for two years in the fashion program and my sparked interest in wearing Victorian and Edwardian clothing coinsided with my first year in the majour, a school costume collection included. I started reconsidering my interest in joining the glamorous world of fashion design when it turned out to be fun learning how to go to stores and steal ideas from other designers to produce marketable lines of clothing that other people will want to wear and the notion of working for a large clothing label, probaly doing work that is somewhat related to the actual design of the clothing really didn't seem to me like a good career to spend so much money getting into so I left and have been spending the last three years fine tuning what exactly I would like to do. Lately I have become more connected with local historic sites and museum as well as organizations in hopes that what I know about the era may be put to some good use and I can share my knoweldge with the public rather than have it build up in my head and just look pretty around my house and never be used. Being a tour guide of sorts or living history actress would really work well for me and my goal now is to get back into school aand get a degree in art education. Sometimes you have make choices and I prefer to get a good steady job as soon as possible than wait many years and spend so much more money to try and get into a master's program to study costume conservation, which has become the ideal career path unceratin sucess. I am here writing to all of you, because there are some things I do well yet there are so many technical aspects to costuming I have not developed and to be an accurate costumer who hopes to educate other people reliably, it is getting those specific details to the clothing like colours, materials, etc (as mentioned in my post) and getting them right, that seems so just to be so out of reach to me. Do I like sewing? Yes I think so, but only when the project is going well. Maybe finding better ways to sew, or the correct ways in which to sew the styles of clothing I am working on would be helpful in making them look less homemade. Obviously there were specific techniques as available in alot of books that are not in my collection yet for stitching and assembling different parts of a garment that I have sewn in whatever way I could come up with just to make it work. In studying original peices, nearly all of what i have seen is far from perfect in comparison to our standards for modern commercially made clothing, I imagine because so many peices were made by local tailors or seamstresses, or at home. Through studying them I have learned some great things, like how to attach hooks and eyes much faster without having to keep cutting and knotting the thread by using a long continuous stitch. It would be wonderful to see the differences in the clothing I have and with couture pieces by Worth to see how they did such things. Again, I appreciate the information that was passed along and intend to look into it later. I am off to sleep because in about 13 hours I hope to visit the museum at FIT for the first time and see what they have. Have any of you heard about the Perelman center in Philadelphia, the newest addition to the Philadelphia Musuem of Art? It is a separate building behind the museum which includes a fashion wing. I was very disappointed after waiting so many years for an increased display since the art museum only ever had a collection of maybe 8 gowns that never seemed to change, dating from the 1850s and 1860s, and the new collection is very small. They tried to, with limited space, display as many various examples of fashion history as possible and what they have is very good quality but many important examples were missing when I was there for the free grand opening admission. Take care:) Justine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 02:53:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S7rlWR030714 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:53:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1S7reLI013872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:53:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1S7r5j8037121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S7q4oH010271; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1S7pp9E009453 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uvqP1Y0050ldTLk5600200; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:51:13 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uvrb1Y0063kY7qX3Q00000; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:51:45 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oX_a7ehZibMA:10 a=OWry_xGLYo_9Zt7ALaoA:9 a=ELi9r_xU4Ku4r3GteYMA:7 a=vq8S0rs7Zgm4R2_Igi5gwuDTTjsA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=K17tel1fZpIA:10 Message-ID: <47C66806.90602@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:51:34 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a serious costumer? References: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3820c45-bb01-4c72-8e1e-0a78a8b990a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C66884.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:53:46 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > Good evening to all of you and hope my series of questioning doesn't > seem silly but for some reason I am still having trouble trying to > decypher the difference between an amateur costumer (myself, one who > has a general knowledge of a topic) and one who is a serious costumer, > or professional. A professional costumer is someone who loves costuming so much they're willing to work for far less money than they're worth so they don't have to do something else. It often involves a lot of production grunt-work making higher-margin dull and functional items so one can afford the time spent on fancy artistic projects. An amateur costumer is anyone who does it for the fun and the art, regardless of skill level, without looking for financial compensation. Amateurs also can choose to only do the fun projects. Frankly, I find the drain on my finances from paying for my own fabric to be far more acceptable than the inability to pay the rent that too often comes with an artistic profession. Besides, I actually like my well-paying tech job. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 07:40:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SCdhgf003978 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:39:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1SCdUUX013589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:39:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1SCcqqU053860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:38:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SCbRFT016225; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.qmul.ac.uk (mail2.qmul.ac.uk [138.37.6.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SCaM5m013847 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from termite.qmul.ac.uk ([138.37.6.52]) by mail2.qmul.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JUhze-0003lk-IO for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:36:12 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (termite [127.0.0.1]) by termite.qmul.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1SCaAfn011886 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:36:10 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m1SCa96T011883 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:36:09 GMT Received: from 217.206.186.114 ([217.206.186.114]) by webmail.qmul.ac.uk (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:36:09 +0000 Message-ID: <20080228123609.q39qsblrswgwoks4@webmail.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:36:09 +0000 From: Hilary Davidson To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing References: <200802280004.m1S044YM021525@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200802280004.m1S044YM021525@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 217.206.186.114 X-QM-Sender: lew195@imap.qmul.ac.uk X-Sender-Host-Address: 138.37.6.52 X-QM-Scan-Virus: ClamAV says the message is clean X-QM-Scan-Virus: virusscan says the message is clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27255300-26ef-4402-ba57-2d21168746a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C6AB82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:39:36 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The earliest one I know of, remarkable for its rarity, is a man's =20 tartan worsted cloak c 1828-1830 with a label stating it's made by =20 John Eyre of New Bond Street, London. Otherwise, Suzi is on the right track, they appear more and more from =20 the 1860s. I don't know if you can count the imprints of manufacturers =20 such as Thomsons on their crinolines as dressmakers/tailors. There are =20 labels in hats from the 1830s at least, shoes even earlier. By the =20 1880s it's quite common in produced clothing. I could put you in touch =20 with someone who's researching this for a thesis if it would be helpful. cheers, Hilary Subject: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" 3.3.1 unnamed [text/plain] 0.26 KB Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for something earlier. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 16:26:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SLQZ1n017849 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:26:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1SLQIvm010420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1SLPqLi043686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SLPlPo085365; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.mbox.com.au (mail.mbox.com.au [203.134.146.14]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SLPcl1085085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:25:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.davidson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id A20C52C81DD for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:25:32 +0900 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mbox.com.au Received: from mail.mbox.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nightcrawler.mbox.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lvf26siPg7WU for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:25:26 +0900 (WST) Received: from [192.168.254.4] (harris-vajda.demon.co.uk [62.49.60.203]) by mail.mbox.com.au (mBox Mail) with ESMTP id EEE5C2C812F for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:25:23 +0900 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <0EB89CA5-5C94-4AA6-9EF1-075E2482913B@qmul.ac.uk> From: Hilary Davidson Subject: Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing - resending Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:24:40 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c86f9b1d-27b1-4a09-ba7c-3cd5475590c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C726FA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry all, the top bit of the post fell off. It was meant to read: The earliest, rare example I know of is a man's worsted tartan cape dated 1828-30, with a label proclaiming it to be made by John Eyre of New Bond Street, London. Otherwise, Suzi is on the right track, they appear more and more from the 1860s. I don't know if you can count the imprints of manufacturers such as Thomsons on their crinolines as dressmakers/tailors. There are labels in hats from the 1830s at least, shoes even earlier. By the 1880s it's quite common in produced clothing. I could put you in touch with someone who's researching this for a thesis if it would be helpful. cheers, Hilary Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels in their goods? In particular I'm interested in the mid 19th century. I know House of Worth was marking their goods by the 1890's but I'm hoping for something earlier. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 16:41:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SLf6ee018252 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:41:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1SLex0D024321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:41:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1SLebgW047883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SLeYVu005518; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from paradise.gen.nz (qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [202.49.254.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SLeNQk005255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gold@where.else.net.nz) Received: (qmail 13659 invoked by uid 1057); 28 Feb 2008 21:40:22 -0000 Received: from 121.73.25.58 by tombstone (envelope-from , uid 71) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/599. spamassassin: 3.0.1. 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Muckart" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th/19th century clothing resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b549258-c3e3-4c6e-bf60-0f9a21f752aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C72A6B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've sending this in behalf of a friend who is looking for websites, books or other reseruces as reference for 18th and 19th century clothing. The paragraph below is a cut and paste from her email (with permission): "The book I am editing is set in late 1700's-early 1800's Scotland. The second book is early 1800's, set in the Caribbean islands (with English and French, and island people) as well as London and Scotland, perhaps Paris. Anything you send on costumes will be tucked away and used. It's so important to get these details right, so having resources I can trust is huge." If you have any suggestions of where she can look, please let me know, or you can email me off-list if you prefer. Thanks in advance, Melissa goslomo at gmail dot com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 17:20:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SMK8sg019003 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:20:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1SMJu35019749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:20:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1SMJdxu053262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SMJZcF054797; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1SMJSE9054602 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219625EF4 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:19:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-228.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-228.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.228]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:19:26 +1100 Message-ID: <1204237166.47c7336e1cb23@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:19:26 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] maker's labels in clothing References: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <0JWV002AQIS85OK1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 606bd1d5-2809-4ba1-bfa4-2bde2034ea55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C7338C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Has anyone researched when dressmakers/tailors first starting putting labels > in their goods? TO BE PICKY, it goes way, way back to the idea of tradesmen or craftsmen leaving thier mark in or on thier work (remember the joke about the Nike flash on the armour in A Knight's Tale?). It initially involved a notch, a hammered mark (in leather, for instance), a particular shaped stitch or letter stitched in to clothing to define the maker. I have no hard evidence as to when these vanity marks became more formal such as manufacturers' tags but vaguely recall reading early-to-mid-19th century as when it came about, in line with factory production, mail order catalogues, and so on. I hope this helps, if not, you can print it to line your cocky's cage, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 20:05:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T15geh022412 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:05:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1T15Y9R002225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1T13tf7079758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T13q4s041780; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T13nB0041732 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A986743B027A; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:01:58 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47C72A41.1030209@where.else.net.nz> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th/19th century clothing resources Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:03:37 -0800 Message-ID: <005501c87a6e$eab3c3e0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <47C72A41.1030209@where.else.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Ach6UrtmKOJJC6gcRrC2O/vnwf5SZgAHBu2Q X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de75cde8-f121-4c11-b2ef-3476aebc536e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47C75A5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:05:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm assuming you know about the ban on tartan and kilts after 1745. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melissa B. Muckart Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 18th/19th century clothing resources I've sending this in behalf of a friend who is looking for websites, books or other reseruces as reference for 18th and 19th century clothing. The paragraph below is a cut and paste from her email (with permission): "The book I am editing is set in late 1700's-early 1800's Scotland. The second book is early 1800's, set in the Caribbean islands (with English and French, and island people) as well as London and Scotland, perhaps Paris. Anything you send on costumes will be tucked away and used. It's so important to get these details right, so having resources I can trust is huge." If you have any suggestions of where she can look, please let me know, or you can email me off-list if you prefer. Thanks in advance, Melissa goslomo at gmail dot com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 20:09:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T19fJO022452 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:09:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1T19XXf029168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1T196nQ080362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T195PJ046859; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T1919r046794 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AABEFA9034C; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:07:10 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080223150223.BRIU17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:09:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For those of us, like me, who stupidly lost your website address, would you please post it so that I can bookmark it and check out your wonderful work from time to time? Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Hi all, I hate to do this, but i dont think that h-costume has any topics with my interrests anymore. And as my time is valuable for me, i have desided to leave. Just want to say thanks to all for the nice company and i hope you will have manny interresting disgussions in the future. Take care............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 28 22:51:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T3pbAk026734 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:51:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1T3pUB8029074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1T3pAmA004084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T3p7uR091104; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m1T3p3dW090978 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:51:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 65916 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 03:50:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TmUETZSuz4V+aGgfOGi/LrIbOKkltAYNXykf8JzWK33aDzF1pKDduE0/fdPv9xOEDtVVS2meiB4nJMFhOmhU1tZ6G0+HKoyPx60Tmmq+K39w5tF/R6JMq6UPCR50XtsU9MbD02F+rwLQRR2vTEvP6BRmFkesRgAE7BiV/hz4FCU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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References: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> <47C66806.90602@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <47C66806.90602@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 924c39d5-4d62-471a-822e-23eefb4ff058 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C78142.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:51:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Andrew Trembley wrote: > ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: >> Good evening to all of you and hope my series of questioning doesn't >> seem silly but for some reason I am still having trouble trying to >> decypher the difference between an amateur costumer (myself, one who >> has a general knowledge of a topic) and one who is a serious >> costumer, or professional. > > A professional costumer is someone who loves costuming so much they're > willing to work for far less money than they're worth so they don't > have to do something else. It often involves a lot of production > grunt-work making higher-margin dull and functional items so one can > afford the time spent on fancy artistic projects. > > An amateur costumer is anyone who does it for the fun and the art, > regardless of skill level, without looking for financial compensation. > Amateurs also can choose to only do the fun projects. I don't think the term "professional costumer" and "serious costumer" are synonymous, and neither of them are synonymous with "costume scholar" --although all three can and do overlap. I know "professionals" who, frankly, are not nearly as talented as some amateurs I know. I know professionals whose focus is outside the serious study of historical clothing and who are thus not costume scholars. I know amateurs who are costume scholars, as well as a few who make some money off of costuming but not anything approaching a real salary. Plenty of these are "serious" - but they're not professionals. I also know costume scholars who are not in any real sense of the word costumers. They study historic clothing and its aspects (textiles, etc.) but do not make costumes. And I think the lines between all of these are not clear. They're more like three intersecting circles describing one's involvement in costume and costume research. I think we need to be careful about terminology. Amateur has unfortunately lost most of its original, lovely meaning and is sometimes misinterpreted as "unknowledgeable, second-rate, slapdash, etc." The academic world has now evolved the term "independent scholar", which is no longer quite the pejorative it once was. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 29 01:41:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T6foMp029954 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:41:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1T6ff7d009211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:41:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1T6f7hw037665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T6f3dg037424; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1T6f0lB037320 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:41:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE7AE399D3 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:40:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:41:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think he has already left. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/ -----Original Message----- For those of us, like me, who stupidly lost your website address, would you please post it so that I can bookmark it and check out your wonderful work from time to time? Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 29 17:30:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1TMU9QS014453 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:30:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1TMU3VJ003786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:30:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1TMTYcM003622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:29:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1TMTQ2p079488; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1TMTLGm079269 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nini1961@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a6so9153505tib.22 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:29:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=98sFQ6G22z9O+6eCHVjFEg9go1uJ1JqYrX8rMNRogVY=; b=SoXxLDV4Oqb7f0nb03vcP0+Kcdvx3PG0izO9I7tqd1LfDypDECIoiOt5ZdJSr3DeiTSDijsWOswwSrwnfA2mKglfYaHbHJmCcxYDON7j8hqeI+KyrxSAshJ0gJUzTQFzCzK3ekCJ1nVcFr8lG3YchmKszZwk72zFn4zMaF+eyaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QV/bZww1YucxsMUjZscP5rIG1I4SXJZ7DSwsZCOGc+JVJnlaiMdvIQKOseK9eFDNYRFu8cj9a3CneOCg6v1x2Z1atS24NAofb9hs9PQooWtuu16FMu/jZ2cU/cE/fCe3yGwh4O9nWJExl6xOK6d0qyoQAH9ZnLWedUw3DHYIAWQ= Received: by 10.150.54.6 with SMTP id c6mr3587193yba.112.1204324152985; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.98.19 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:29:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <831cf34a0802291429v38e00fahc6acebb16e855871@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:29:12 -0500 From: "Christine Shamblin" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b30b060f-e2c6-4583-a52c-b89769cfdfdf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C8876B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:30:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I need some help in determining what color is being referred to when the term "bottle green" was used in the early 19th century. Free online Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bottle+green) calls it " A dark to moderate or greyish green", and Wiktionary ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bottle_green) says "a dark greencolour, like that of some wine bottles ." and gives a color swatch. I don't really trust a color swatch on a computer monitor, however. I think I need a physical swatch. Can someone in the know point me to a paint chip (e.g. Behr paint color #1234), or a DMC embroidery floss or Madiera thread color number, or some such thing? Or would someone who has some bottle green fabric be willing to send me a small snippet? Thanks. Christine Shamblin -- "I'm a Material Girl...want to see my fabric collection?" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 29 17:39:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1TMd0sU014597 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:39:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1TMcsOC010413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1TMcdge005151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1TMcbsS089198; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:38:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1TMcL4S088778 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf9.312917d5 (48552) for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:38:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:38:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60c454b3-96e6-4b8b-8d04-2079c3eabec9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C8897E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As dye formulas varied, I don't think you will find one "definitive" bottle green. But I'll check my Pantone book tomorrow to see if it has anything that I would think of as bottle green--which is dark and probably slightly grayed. Ann Wass **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume