From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 01:27:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m216RKQq024600 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:27:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m216RCd8020975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m216Ldp3067524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m216LYo7090241; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m216LVhA090138 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d1b.1e3675a6 (34992) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D39 (fwm-d39.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.15]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB015-88b047c8f5e350; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:21:23 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:21:23 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.81.51 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34865-BASIC Received: from 4.239.81.51 by FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.15) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:21:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA497B9B4BBE8A-93C-1A2B@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bottle green X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66a32d56-f0cb-4611-a302-e92a17dba80b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C8F740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:27:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: O I agree that because dye processes on each type of fabric varies, it would be hard to find one exact example of what "bottle green" is precisely, especially since the dyes and materials used in the early 19th century were different from what is readily available today but don't quote me on that as I do not know for sure. It is a good guess, however, that in calling it bottle green, it most likely did closely resemble the green glass that bottles were made with at that time, and those are probably more easily found to compare. Cobalt glass was gorgeous and it is makes me wonder whether or not the word was used as well in dye applications. This is a very old town, the third I believe in America to become a borough, and because we are located on the river, often times during low tide if you rummage through the stones on the bank you can find renmant shards of cobalt glass and other types of glasses. Sometimes you can find complete bottle necks or bottoms with the maker information on it and it would be interesting to research such information and try to track the original product. Particularly, remnants of old pottery and flatware turn up less often but are the most interesting to study, as people in those days did not have trash collection and therefore used the river as a place to quickly discard their rubbish. Hope you find out more about the colour and am curious to know more also. Take care:) Justine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 04:52:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m219qXd0031248 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:52:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m219qPoI012328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m219q4Z8088878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 02:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m219q0Vx043676; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 02:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m219pug5043617 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 02:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6C8EDA0380; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:50:00 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <005601c87a6f$a4ff1c40$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT a farewell. Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:51:43 -0800 Message-ID: <005001c87b81$db12a910$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Ach6ne8ahc58eIL2RHqFZXx2w9UacQA473IA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78b0ac07-772a-4191-b38f-a795e78d9529 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C9275A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I think he has already left. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/ -----Original Message----- For those of us, like me, who stupidly lost your website address, would you please post it so that I can bookmark it and check out your wonderful work from time to time? Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 05:02:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21A20RG032546 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:02:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m21A1pqO017432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:01:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m21A1Y4S089983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21A1XJ4050953; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:01:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21A1T5T050888 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A90037A700D8; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:59:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <831cf34a0802291429v38e00fahc6acebb16e855871@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 02:01:11 -0800 Message-ID: <005101c87b83$2d690a50$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <831cf34a0802291429v38e00fahc6acebb16e855871@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Ach7IpWoFWV+vLQYQYWzqdya4qO25gAX3Mcg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f516c88-b4f9-4bb2-846d-4aea5fc7c15e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C9298F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:01:58 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My husband had to make a coat for his character, Mr. Brownlow, from "Oliver Twist". In the book it describes him as wearing a bottle green coat, so we went looking for material of that color. We found what we thought was the perfect color, a dark, but still bright green, but at over $150 a yard, we decided to go for something slightly different. The color we ended up with was brighter, but under the lights (ambers, mostly) it's OK. When did aniline dyes become widespread? OT was set in the 1840's, so bottle green could/would have been duller than we're used to today, correct? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Christine Shamblin Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:29 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? I need some help in determining what color is being referred to when the term "bottle green" was used in the early 19th century. Free online Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bottle+green) calls it " A dark to moderate or greyish green", and Wiktionary ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bottle_green) says "a dark greencolour, like that of some wine bottles ." and gives a color swatch. I don't really trust a color swatch on a computer monitor, however. I think I need a physical swatch. Can someone in the know point me to a paint chip (e.g. Behr paint color #1234), or a DMC embroidery floss or Madiera thread color number, or some such thing? Or would someone who has some bottle green fabric be willing to send me a small snippet? Thanks. Christine Shamblin -- "I'm a Material Girl...want to see my fabric collection?" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 05:58:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21AwnTe007356 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:58:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m21AwgiI017241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:58:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m21AwOIM097033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:58:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21AwLAu001505; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:58:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21AwHst001391 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 03:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c66.2adbfa03 (32915) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:58:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:58:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 129b1ffc-e68a-4d4b-831b-b1296718e1f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47C936E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92, clamav-milter version 0.92 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:58:47 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2008 5:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: When did aniline dyes become widespread? OT was set in the 1840's, so bottle green could/would have been duller than we're used to today, correct? The first aniline dye, mauve, was discovered in 1856. It was a few years before aniline greens hit the market. Before that, dyeing green was almost always at least a two-step process--dyeing with indigo blue and then overdyeing with a yellow (or vice versa). Since indigo is a vat dye, one can't just mix blue and yellow in a dye bath to get green. There was one natural green, lo-kao, imported from China by the mid-19th century, but it is a very vibrant bright green, not at all what one would use for men's wear. It was a novelty and mostly used to dye silk for women's dresses. Ann Wass **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 14:31:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21JVu0w001962 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:31:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m21JVjZR023126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:31:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m21JVIeA086818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21JV6jF042790; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21JV2n9042728 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.179.186.56]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX200HNGGVN9D14@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:31:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:31:23 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: <200803011900.m21J02Ud009042@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47C9AF0B.4070007@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200803011900.m21J02Ud009042@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bottle-green X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d19facf9-acca-46c8-aaed-963b6a3b52a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C9AF21.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:31:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've always thought of "Bottle green" as being somewhere between your "typical" green glass of the American colonial/ revolutionary period... and what those nasty flies have on them. So of course I had to look and wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn says it is "dark to moderate or greyish green" The fly? There's a picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_bottle_fly I wonder if they were thinking of the color, or the combination of green and brown's overall look... or if it came from something else entirely. -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 15:26:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21KQIsa004455 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:26:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m21KQ6cJ010967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m21KPVoS094456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21KPQUL097125; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21KPMsF096976 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MaisondeHadley@aol.com) Received: from MaisondeHadley@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d23.1cceee9b (34955) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.67] (75-164-202-61.ptld.qwest.net [75.164.202.61]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA064-888b47c9bba4ff; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:25:09 -0500 Message-ID: <47C9BBA9.4050909@aol.com> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:25:13 -0800 From: Joseph Stevens User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 75.164.202.61 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c62d91f3-6f5a-4947-8388-eaff257e83a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47C9BBDE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:26:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And let's not forget about Scheele's Green and Emerald Green--Wikipedia lists them at 1775 and 1814 respectively. Neither one would have been very pleasant to encounter due to the arsenic content. Joseph Stevens AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > The first aniline dye, mauve, was discovered in 1856. It was a few years > before aniline greens hit the market. Before that, dyeing green was almost > always at least a two-step process--dyeing with indigo blue and then overdyeing > with a yellow (or vice versa). Since indigo is a vat dye, one can't just mix > blue and yellow in a dye bath to get green. There was one natural green, > lo-kao, imported from China by the mid-19th century, but it is a very vibrant > bright green, not at all what one would use for men's wear. It was a novelty > and mostly used to dye silk for women's dresses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 17:17:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21MHREY008772 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:17:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m21MHM7Q015945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m21MGpYB007475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21MGOBR099980; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21MGLTH099880 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bef.23557f85 (32915) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:16:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 81 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 139159ab-114f-46ce-b442-c1962ca10b4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47C9D5F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If it's any help, the bottle green I wore as part of my school uniform was something like Pearsall's no 15 Apple Green thread. I'd describe it as a very dark green - probably a shade or two lighter than a rifle green, and in fact, very like the green of a wine bottle that's not held up to the light. In a message dated 01/03/2008 19:00:49 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I need some help in determining what color is being referred to when the term "bottle green" was used in the early 19th century. Free online Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bottle+green) calls it " A dark to moderate or greyish green", and Wiktionary ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bottle_green) says "a dark greencolour, like that of some wine bottles ." and gives a color swatch. I don't really trust a color swatch on a computer monitor, however. I think I need a physical swatch. Can someone in the know point me to a paint chip (e.g. Behr paint color #1234), or a DMC embroidery floss or Madiera thread color number, or some such thing? Or would someone who has some bottle green fabric be willing to send me a small snippet? Thanks. Christine Shamblin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 17:51:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21MpNlN010107 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:51:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m21MpIhX022890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:51:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m21MopQ1011183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21MoneD028921; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m21Mojvg028792 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bd0.26be57fc (41810) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:50:38 -0500 (EST) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:50:37 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming Old West Event X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 152125f9-f6dc-4122-88fc-2fc47ade47df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47C9DDE6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:51:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! I know that most of you tend to be interested in less modern periods, but there are a slowly growing number of Old West Reenactors who are getting serious about getting things right. This event has been going on for years and is a fun time. http://www.riverjunction.com/Jubilee/JubileeMain.html And in case you are wondering, I and CC28 have nothing to do with the event. I just like going to it. Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 1 22:11:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m223Bi5u023023 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:11:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m223BdXJ005956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:11:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m223BDhl039535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m223B9m9052647; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m223B6Gi052557 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cf5.23494374 (48552) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:11:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What color is Bottle Green? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08433278-b521-472f-b98a-13e4db2f12aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47CA1AEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:11:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2008 3:26:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, MaisondeHadley@aol.com writes: And let's not forget about Scheele's Green and Emerald Green--Wikipedia lists them at 1775 and 1814 respectively. Neither one would have been very pleasant to encounter due to the arsenic content. Technically those are pigments, not dyes, but they were eventually used to color garments--you are correct. However, I think they were used to paint walls and color wallpapers before they were used to color garments. (Pigments require a binder to adhere to fabric, rather than being absorbed into the fabric--probably one reason whey the arsenical greens were the basis of horror stories about women wearing garments colored witht them.) Ann Wass **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 2 11:51:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m22Gp9FR032424 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:51:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m22Gp4vL026111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m22Gogrg032979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m22GocfN049590; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m22Goax2049501 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1286319wri.8 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:50:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=dhuxRIkIeANcePt0DzePGspYxoE3TM9radIcJjtmuGM=; b=GfJ2qAFTDjbpIqjQ96XXW2IPV0IGtSv1DDaqfFOJ8Nsu1VFHjSuUvrYHtVJ82QzXojb6Z/wBdY3t22X625kVxGsuPCdth946s7gDP7+DXv5BW2McQ/boy/zz8I0eOlWhqppqn8b8k2LIH6TP7x5zDLh6y77Q1qJxn9Cl4+nWlKM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=cz4VoB3Ll4j7QxS6Mm8fvr49DaVNMMLb/7u2QAay/e356e4Qu9r5h6cBOzkAavvTwOV9GC8JlJHqxt8xI9l75iLxyfhzsiqeeBohtNisg4ESrM/+TzlPoYHOthx7U6ldfDqhkDxjIa+z4VYyb08xtE2nO2nvowQKIgVRVwRNzCU= Received: by 10.65.180.9 with SMTP id h9mr22976451qbp.54.1204476630401; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm11282941qba.30.2008.03.02.08.50.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:50:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00c801c87c85$c432b050$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8CA471E4ED0A50F-A3C-D1F@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> <47C58DAD.9030305@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a serious costumer? Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:52:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0a1e627-134e-438a-9fe7-0f3a780d8640 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47CADAF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:51:08 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > A professional costumer is one who gets paid for her services and who > lists such income on her tax forms at the end of the year. And some of the professional costumers know less than we do about historical costumes. It all depends what they specialize in. Some who call themselves amateurs will be period to the last tiny stitch, and some who call themselves professionals will sell you a T-tunic of knit material with inset sleeves. Of course, the opposite is also true! In other words... don't worry too much about the categorizations... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 3 17:04:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m23M4uJv014243 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:04:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m23M4mb9026840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m23M3gRu031455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m23M3U8H087624; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m23M3PXh087447 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47188 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2008 22:03:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wPXiaxFiJrv92r0fcOBSCf4cEHtXu8ywGZlJ4MMcQ1bWojdgFkGIqZ3dOJOJjzDLLrYAaSrfkgj4OVVYk0aCfprs7Qt07D/Bm7DUPX8O6GQDEjuqW2hhLVfRyLvFU3mzXDVFXJEW4/OR8poD3hsl6OnK+pvw6gUisRdqpJjLN/E=; X-YMail-OSG: z_GDxM8VM1nB6KrdlH2pSnEvo7mGj1kp7OGh9ztIPh8rR3f3EOyAjAPK_9b.X7_JDOSFk4oahsilvqeKd.3Xmnwue3bYhCwWktorI2BdvSlIg14sKAI- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:03:11 PST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:03:11 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <80247.44983.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Compendium going to print X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd5173de-35e6-4aac-8517-5bdb0d1b9252 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47CC7600.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:04:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi gang, It's a little early to be promoting this, I suppose, but I thought some of you would like to know that finally I've been nudged sufficiently and have the resources at last to Just Do It: self-publish the Compendium of Common Knowledge, 1558-1603, otherwise available as http://elizabethan.org/compendium --yes, ISBN and index and everything. I've even hired a professional book designer(someone whose work I know), so it will be properly typeset and actually look like a real book, as well as be one. It should be ready sometime this summer as a trade paperback via Print On Demand (printer still TBD). That means you'll order it online and they'll make you a proper bound copy and send it to you. Can't say what the price will be yet, of course, but I'll keep it as reasonable as possible. After all, we're giving it away online every day. :-) Not a lot of costume content, I know, but hey, all those Elizabethans need some context! More news as it becomes available, MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 3 19:44:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m240iMs4021858 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:44:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m240iHiK011194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:44:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m240hkNx052035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:43:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m240hhrE045601; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m240hdMs045538 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AAC9F420024; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:41:45 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <80247.44983.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Compendium going to print Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:43:35 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01c87d90$c7504bb0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ach9emEu1W5iAtTzQriSB8Mo5CumCQAFljdA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <80247.44983.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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I want one! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Compendium going to print Hi gang, It's a little early to be promoting this, I suppose, but I thought some of you would like to know that finally I've been nudged sufficiently and have the resources at last to Just Do It: self-publish the Compendium of Common Knowledge, 1558-1603, otherwise available as http://elizabethan.org/compendium --yes, ISBN and index and everything. I've even hired a professional book designer(someone whose work I know), so it will be properly typeset and actually look like a real book, as well as be one. It should be ready sometime this summer as a trade paperback via Print On Demand (printer still TBD). That means you'll order it online and they'll make you a proper bound copy and send it to you. Can't say what the price will be yet, of course, but I'll keep it as reasonable as possible. After all, we're giving it away online every day. :-) Not a lot of costume content, I know, but hey, all those Elizabethans need some context! More news as it becomes available, MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 3 21:46:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m242kRA8025667 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:46:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m242kMnq019706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m242jsI2063935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m242jo0r039585; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m242jkBl039516 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.155] (core-dc-3-155.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.155]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m242jepO015346 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:45:40 -0800 Message-ID: <47CC6BAC.8000301@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:20:44 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] need Regency help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 544620a1-1790-45cd-840c-7010eda413d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47CCB7FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:46:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This was posted to the F-costume list. If someone could help her, please write to her direct (address is listed) since she's not a member of h-costume. Thanks! - Judy Mitchell In a message dated 3/2/2008 6:42:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jika_songe@hotmail.com writes: Hello, My name is Jeanne, and I am a senior high school student at Seoul Foreign School in South Korea. I am enrolled in a theatre arts class, and we are curently working on a project called the research commission, in which we have to write a report on a specific area of theatre in detail, in my case, costumes. I wanted to write about Regency Era costumes, and found your website very helpful. I was wondering if you would be willing to help me by answering a few questions ? I would like to write specifically about Regency hats, the capote, and would need to know things like how expansive is the fabric (if it's in straw, for example), what to do to create the general shape, what type of laces you would use for decoration... If you could give me some information, point out a book that I could refer to, or direct me to someone else who could help me, I would be very grateful. Thank you ! Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 4 21:30:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m252UiB9026389 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:30:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m252UZRu022864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m252UE2a071220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:30:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m252U8uX024651; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+unbVLC60iZlVQQzn3RxkCByj8JsDPx8M@mail5.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m252U4Mk024559 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m252U3wB012235 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:30:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 26610 invoked by uid 80); 5 Mar 2008 02:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.253.170.62) by wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 5 Mar 2008 02:30:03 -0000 Message-ID: <47CE05A9.7040508@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:30:01 -0600 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <6.2.3.4.2.20080224184725.038c0370@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080224184725.038c0370@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture date X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dc62298-56eb-4819-a8a1-41dfda8d841a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47CE05CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:30:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For those who may be interested: I'll be doing a full day of lectures in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on Saturday, April 5. The lecture day is sponsored by the Milwaukee SCA group, but non-members are quite welcome to attend. The lecture program will run from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. (including a break for lunch) and will cover five topics: The Gothic Fitted Dress The Greenland Gored Gown Will the Real Sideless Surcote Please Stand Up? The Problem of Women's Heraldic Dress Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for Costume Research Cost is $17 for SCA members or $20 for non-members. If you're a student, you pay only $10. Deadline for registrations is March 22, 2008, but because seats are limited, I'd encourage you to get reservations in earlier rather than later. (If you're not a member, you can skip the line on the form where it asks you for an SCA name!) Garb is optional. You can find more information on the topics, location, etc. here: http://caeranterth.northshield.org/Calendar/Netherton.html Feel free to forward/repost this message. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 4 22:29:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m253TsMe028201 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m253TmhZ014132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m253TRtX077058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m253TQWp072577; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m253TLdT072469 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080305032912.TNBB23078.mta21.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:12 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080305032912.UGIQ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:12 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20080224184725.038c0370@pop.radiks.net> <47CE05A9.7040508@netherton.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture date Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:29:10 -0600 Message-ID: <006801c87e71$13fe3450$6801a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <47CE05A9.7040508@netherton.net> Thread-Index: Ach+aPyeOPURQYz7RUa3Ur6njVHZDgAB+FHQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e424735-0172-4a4d-9577-afd42c4673f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47CE13AC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:29:52 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO April 5, huh? Hmmmmm....nothing on the calendar at the moment...time to wheedle the hubby about watching the toddler for the day... :) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:30 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture date > > For those who may be interested: > > I'll be doing a full day of lectures in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, > on Saturday, April 5. The lecture day is sponsored by the > Milwaukee SCA group, but non-members are quite welcome to attend. > > The lecture program will run from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. (including > a break for lunch) and will cover five topics: > > The Gothic Fitted Dress > The Greenland Gored Gown > Will the Real Sideless Surcote Please Stand Up? > The Problem of Women's Heraldic Dress > Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for > Costume Research > > Cost is $17 for SCA members or $20 for non-members. If you're > a student, you pay only $10. Deadline for registrations is > March 22, 2008, but because seats are limited, I'd encourage > you to get reservations in earlier rather than later. (If > you're not a member, you can skip the line on the form where > it asks you for an SCA name!) Garb is optional. > > You can find more information on the topics, location, etc. here: > http://caeranterth.northshield.org/Calendar/Netherton.html > > Feel free to forward/repost this message. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 5 01:39:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m256dIs8002747 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:39:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m256dCQp025666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m256clAp094809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m256ca7T006434; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m256cDcH006096 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from karisia2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3704 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2008 06:38:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5QiPZKmhlmcX2kM1xb92E1WK0vkkOeRePsYe7riOoQKMst0lx6CGt532xHMmEsAf8fHoDSdj1i7+rEA8H90QWoGwDIXjfY++2tFjmyXLOxjJzBvEbJ/yC+HQiHJNuo8qV8vFXNr3nXzTf3tK9CD6WFjbzGzu+CbjHXxsrAT0NQE=; X-YMail-OSG: OH74hdMVM1kUYrGVGhx_YJGxmGCxGePxg8rHCvMStYOh4uIbYW9zJJeGXvz73zicgZ_TqcNiTcs78OMV5U1RhA3t35IqEqqeWuBdWwr3E.n_G4EYxFARMSmVC__Hyw-- Received: from [24.20.207.8] by web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:38:07 PST Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:38:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Parker To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <582644.1592.qm@web52011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Lizapalooza! A weekend with Drea Leed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f62eca86-fc38-4265-9223-ff0bc819a9e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47CE4010.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:39:16 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lizapalooza! A weekend with Drea Leed We are pleased to welcome Drea Leed, independent scholar and owner of the most extensive Elizabethan and Tudor costuming reference on the Web, The Elizabethan Costume Page, as our speaker April 12-13, 2008. Ms. Leed has studied Renaissance clothing and textiles for over ten years. She’s presented papers at the International Congress of Medieval Studies at Kalamazoo and the Medieval Congress at Leeds, England. Ms. Leed has given several talks and seminars on the topic of Renaissance and Elizabethan dress for various groups, and taught a six-week class on Elizabethan Dress at the CostumeClassroom.com. Among Ms. Leed’s published works is "The Well-Dress'd Peasant: 16th Century Workingwoman's Dress.” She has recently published an article, "Textile Cleaning Techniques in Renaissance Europe,” in Medieval Clothing & Textiles II. Ms. Leed is currently working on a complete transcription of Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts and an analysis of sixteenth century tailoring as discovered through original documents. She lives in Springfield, Ohio with her husband and cat, where she works as a software engineer to support her research and costume book-collecting habits. Saturday, April 12: Introduction and General Survey of Tudor and Elizabethan Dress Discussion of available sources/books General Q&A on Tudor and Elizabethan clothing Lunch (1 hour break, lunch provided) Overview of Elizabethan Underpinnings- corset, bumroll and farthingale Demonstration: how to make a corset End of Regular Session Saturday Workshop: Making a Custom Corset Pattern (1 hour) This hands-on workshop is limited to 20 students (THREE SPACES LEFT!). All materials are included in the registration. Students will learn the basics of measuring and drafting corset pattern, taking home a paper pattern suitable for constructing their own corset. After drafting is complete, Dress up! Any attendees who wish to can try on a variety of corsets. Evening Social with Drea Leed Information TBA at lecture Sunday, April 13: The Perfect Gown: Making an outfit that's right for you: Choosing patterns, fabrics, colors, decoration and detailing, general construction tips, good sources, accessories Lunch (1 hour break, lunch provided) Tudor and Elizabethan Headwear and Hairstyles Demo: Making a French Hood & Elizabethan Coif End of Regular Session Sunday Workshop: Make an Elizabethan coif (2 hours) This hands-on workshop is limited to 20 students. (FIVE SPACES LEFT!) All materials are included in the registration. Students will draft, cut and construct a linen Elizabethan Coif. The site for this lecture will be The Center for Meeting and Learning in Eugene, Oregon. We'll be in the Auditorium room, with comfy seating, great views, and complete plug in availability for your laptops! Please also note that lunch for both days is provided with your registration. Registration information can be found at www.CostumeTalk.com! Please join us for what promises to be a great weekend! Dame Fearga Kavanagh & Dame Karis Jessica Percy (mka) Jonna Hayden & Jamie Parker Please note--this is not an SCA event, and is not sponsored by any branch. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 5 15:55:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m25KtdfP019159 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:55:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m25KtXrF005315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m25Kt6tI016609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m25Kssqk000756; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m25Hjspp031348 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c0a.2e5bfcf2 (34988) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M03 (fwm-m03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.67]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-88ac47cedc35197; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:45:25 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:45:25 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.57.168 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34865-BASIC Received: from 4.239.57.168 by FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:45:25 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA4CFFD3B966A3-113C-4CB5@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Where are the Lectures? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47a4ae29-51c6-4aec-ac48-b7a61814526e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47CF08C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:55:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, oy there are so many good things coming up in terms of lectures and classes in the near future but none of them are in the Philadelphia region! If there is anyone out there who knows of any or may have influence over the planning for such events PLEASE please please start coming to this immediate area, we're parch! Cape May and Gettysburg are close enough to make the trip for for specific events, however, those are pretty much the only nearest hubs for costuming. One is strictly for Civil War costuming and would you believe the tourists give strange stares to people in historic garb? Cape May has a wide range of things though I don't make it down there often, in fact I haven't yet. Both places are no less than three hours from here and many of the attendees to CM travel that far or greater to go so I wonder why there is never activity in the areas in between. Through one of my first posts, I was informed about the Costumers Guild which operates in my immediate area but as usual when there is or was such a group they are no longer active, I haven't recieved any response as of yet. Do any of you attend the annual conference hosted by the Genteel Arts out in Gettysburg? I have heard it is very good and will likely plan to go far enough in advance next year that it won't be booked up. Have any of you ever been asked to speak publicly about period clothing of any era? A lady friend of mine asked me a very lovely question last night and I may need a little advice before giving her a reply. She was told about my collection of antique clothing and my general passion for it, and asked if I ever hold public programs involving them. I told her I haven't yet but am honoured to be considered in doing so. The program would be about 45 minutes and I am trying to come up with a theme for it, a way in which I can utlize my collection for such a purpose since I am far from having a complete collection of anything. If anyone could offer any suggestions for a program theme and would need to know what I have to work with please email me directly. 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Answered privately. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 5 21:45:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m262jnW1027262 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:45:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m262jhin009006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:45:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m262jK0n059185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m262jGMg074716; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m262jDrf074669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m262jCOE016959 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:45:12 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lizapalooza! 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A weekend with Drea Leed > > > We are pleased to welcome Drea Leed, independent scholar and > owner of the most extensive Elizabethan and Tudor costuming > reference on the Web, The Elizabethan Costume Page, as our > speaker April 12-13, 2008. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 6 21:45:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m272jxaA028615 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:45:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m272jsmZ015039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:45:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m272jBnb057770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m272j62P094766; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m272j1rY094618 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 76355 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2008 02:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.210.171 with plain) by smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2008 18:06:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZTJTrSMVM1m_JrK4hVXNrkLUeSo2i3lZg6a9A0Irqv74zsoDiJOpj6NQadzqKejl0w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D426D5.8090006@rogers.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:05:09 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: DISTAFF: Pre-Kalamazoo mailing] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ab32f41-1d81-4eb6-b616-110904e2d5b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D427C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:09:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Greetings! Since I haven't seen this pop up here yet, thought I'd pass it on. DISTAFF sponsors sessions for papers on textile/costume research at the International Congress on Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo, and is also behind the Medieval Costume and Textiles yearly journal series (many of the articles in those volumes were originally papers at sessions put on by DISTAFF). We have several DISTAFF regulars on this list, including Robin Netherton. Susan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: DISTAFF: Pre-Kalamazoo mailing Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:54:05 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: DISTAFF list: ; [This message is going to the people who have signed up for DISTAFF announcements at previous dress/textiles sessions at the medieval congresses at Kalamazoo and Leeds; people who have spoken at past DISTAFF sessions or who have proposed papers; and a few other interested parties. DISTAFF (Discussion, Interpretation, and Study of Textile Arts, Fabrics, and Fashion) is a group formed to sponsor sessions at Kalamazoo and Leeds on medieval and Renaissance textiles and dress.] Once again, it's our annual warm-up post for the International Congress on Medieval Studies at Kalamazoo, scheduled this year for May 8-11. Even if you are not going to Kalamazoo this year, keep reading; the next few items may still be of interest to you. (A few additional announcements will come in a separate post.) THIS YEAR: DISTAFF is sponsoring four sessions at Kalamazoo. They are scheduled for Friday late afternoon and all three Saturday slots. Please note that since the Congress program was finalized, we have had some changes in our lineup; you will find the up-to-date scheduling information below (and also in the Congress corrigenda). The DISTAFF reception will be on Saturday at 5:15, right after our last session. THINKING AHEAD: If you're considering submitting a paper proposal on a dress/textiles topic for the 2009 Kalamazoo Congress, please drop me a note (not a full proposal!) as soon as possible. If we have already discussed your idea, drop me another note now as a reminder. We need this information in hand BEFORE the Congress starts, so that we can consider it during our planning meeting. We turn in our 2009 session request in mid-May, just after this year's conference, and our session themes will reflect our understanding of what submissions we can expect. We'll have all summer to nail down the details of which papers will fit in those sessions, so even if you haven't completely formulated your ideas on what you might be interested in presenting, we want to hear from you now. IDENTIFY YOURSELF: At the request of a number of DISTAFF regulars, we've created an avenue for Congress-goers (past, present, future, or in-spirit) to publicly display their affiliation. You can find a tasteful selection of DISTAFF book bags, t-shirts, caps, and coffee mugs at our CafePress shop, here: http://www.cafepress.com/distaff . All the items feature the website logo designed by DISTAFF webmistress Drea Leed. One dollar of every purchase helps offset the costs of DISTAFF activities at Kalamazoo. THE 2008 DISTAFF SESSIONS. We have had one change from the published program: Elizabeth Coatsworth is unable to make the trip and sends her heartfelt regrets. To even out the 2008 sessions, Nancy Feldman agreed to move from session I to take the empty slot in session IV. Here are this year's offerings: Friday, May 9, 3:30 p.m. Session 318, Fetzer 2020 Dress and Textiles I: Makers and Methods Presider: Robin Netherton, DISTAFF -- Rigid Heddle and Weaving Sword: Images of Band Weaving in the Manesse Codex Cindy Ruesink, Independent Scholar -- The Sign of Some Degree: The "Mystery" of Capping Kirstie Buckland, The Knitting History Forum -- Silk Dyers and the Growth of Fashion in Late Medieval Italy Carole Collier Frick, Southern Illinois University, Edwardsville Saturday May 10, 10:00 a.m. Session 398, Bernhard 209 Dress and Textiles II: Clothing and the Church Presider: Gale R. Owen-Crocker, University of Manchester -- Investing a Vestment with Value: The Interpretation of the Pallium in the Latin Church (c. 800-c. 1200) Steven A. Schoenig, S.J., Columbia University -- Taking the Veil: Anglo-Saxon Women Religious and Liminal Symbolism Janet Gilligan, Wayne State College -- Female Saints in Rupestrian Paintings in Apulia and Basilicata: Tradition or Fashion? Luisa Derosa, University of Bari -- Donations from the Body for the Soul: Apparel, Devotion, and Status in Late Medieval Strasbourg Charlotte A. Stanford, Brigham Young University Saturday May 10, 1:30 p.m. Session 455, Bernhard 210 Dress and Textiles III: Clothing, Critics, and Class Presider: Monica L. Wright, Univ. of Louisiana-Lafayette -- Dressing Up in Sin: Pride and Clothing in Nicole Bozon's "Char d'Orgueil" Laurie Postlewate, Barnard College -- Women's Dress in Renaissance Venice: Matron or Courtesan? Jasmin Cyril, Central Michigan University -- "Mighty in her Resources but Mightier in Virtue": The Female Image as a Personification of Renaissance Venice Tawny Sherrill, California State University, Long Beach Saturday May 10, 3:30 p.m. Session 506, Bernhard 208 Dress and Textiles IV: Extant Garments and Furnishings Presider: Robin Netherton, DISTAFF -- Three Embroidered Alms Purses: The Process of Production in Paris at the Beginning of the 14th Century [MOVED FROM SESSION 318] Nancy Feldman, School of the Art Institute of Chicago -- Your Mommy Dresses You Funny: A Comparison of Personal and Professional Clothing Construction Techniques in Late Antiquity Linda M. Blowney, University of Pennsylvania -- Anomaly or Sole Survivor? The Impruneta Cushion and Early Italian Patchwork Lisa Evans, Independent Scholar Saturday May 10, 5:15 p.m. Bernhard 107 DISTAFF reception OTHER SESSIONS AND PAPERS OF INTEREST. As usual, the Congress program includes several other papers of particular interest to scholars of textiles and dress. In scanning the program, I found two other costume-related sessions, one material culture session that may particularly appeal to DISTAFF members, and a number of individual papers that, judging from their titles, might have some connection to clothing and textile themes. Please note that this is not an exhaustive list; these are only the items that I noticed in my own skim of the program. Obviously some of these will conflict with one another or with DISTAFF sessions. Sessions: Friday May 9, 10:00 a.m. Session 206, Fetzer 1035 Costume in Medieval Literature, including Chaucer Sponsor: Medieval Association of the Midwest (MAM) Organizer: Laura F. Hodges, Independent Scholar Presider: Laura F. Hodges -- Alison's "Coler" Continued: Bringing the Visual Evidence to the Literary Problem Robin Netherton, DISTAFF -- Jean de Meun's Glad Rags on the Rack: Missing Fortune's Sartorial Opportunities Laurel Broughton, Univ. of Vermont -- Do Clothes Make the "Vilain"?: A Reconsideration of the "Herdsman's" Costume in Chretien de Troyes's Yvain Lorraine Kochanske Stock, Univ. of Houston Friday May 9, 1:30 p.m. Session 294, Bernhard 211 Clothing, Material Culture, and Iconography in the Pearl-Poems Sponsor: Pearl-Poet Society Organizer: Kimberly Jack, Loyola Univ., Chicago Presider: Adrienne J. Odasso, Centre for Medieval Studies, Univ. of York -- Morgan's Headdress: "Toreted and Treleted with Tryfles Aboute" (SGGK 960) Laura F. Hodges, Independent Scholar -- The Iconography of Jonah's Nudity and the Prophet's Dirty Mantle in Patience Kimberly Jack -- Jewels and Jewelers in Pearl Elizabeth Keim Harper, Univ. of North Carolina-Chapel Hill Saturday May 10, 1:30 p.m. Session 427, Fetzer 2016 Excavating the Middle Ages: Using Archaeology and/or Anthropology in the Classroom Sponsor: TEAMS (Consortium for the Teaching of the Middle Ages) Organizer: Dorsey Armstrong, Purdue Univ. Presider: Anita Obermeier, Univ. of New Mexico -- Bringing the Museum to the Classroom: Archaeological Teaching Tools for Underclassmen Cynthia Turner Camp, Cornell Univ. -- Teaching Material Culture and Theory in Medieval Studies: The Pros and Cons Kellie Meyer, Univ. of New Mexico -- Image, Fact, and the Critical Imagination: Teaching Anglo-Saxon Studies through Archaeology Gale R. Owen-Crocker, Univ. of Manchester Individual papers: Please be aware I have no idea whether some of these papers actually have any clothing/textile content other than their titles, so choose accordingly. Thursday May 8, 1:30 p.m. (in Session 69, Fetzer 1040: Cistercian Fathers: The Golden Age) -- Clothes Maketh the Saint: Aelred's Narrative Strategy in the Life of Saint Ninian Marie Anne Mayeski, Loyola Marymount Univ. Saturday May 10, 1:30 p.m. (in Session 413, Valley I 100: Material Objects, Spiritual Significance in the Pearl-Poems) -- Pride, Penance, and Aristocratic Dress in Sir Gawain and the Green Knight Nicole D. Smith, Univ. of North Texas Saturday May 10, 3:30 p.m. (in Session 502, Bernhard 105: In Memory of Jacqueline Frank II: Iconography of Medieval Paris and Saint-Denis) -- Suites of Power Suits: Portal Ensembles of Medieval Courtiers Janet Snyder, West Virginia Univ. Sunday May 11, 8:30 a.m. (in Session 541, Schneider 1320: Women Warriors and Women in War in the Middle Ages) -- The Pan-Hispanic Ballad of La Doncella Guerrera: Cross-Dressing Woman or Traditional Girl Next Door? Sarah Portnoy, Univ. of Southern California Sunday May 11, 8:30 a.m. (in Session 542, Schneider 1330: Physical Object, Somatic Response: Art and Bodies during the Middle Ages) -- (Un)Dressed: Nakedness and Adornment in Chaucer's The Book of the Duchess Gabriel Haley, Univ. of Virginia Sunday May 11, 10:30 a.m. (in Session 576, Fetzer 1035: Medieval Border Cultures II: Cultural Frontiers in Britain and France) -- Trinkets and Charms: The Use and Socio-cultural Significance of Dress Accessories from Two Border Regions in Britain, ca. 1300-1700 Eleanor Standley, Durham Univ. You can see the Congress schedule for yourself at: http://www.wmich.edu/medieval/congress/sessions.html Note that Congress pre-registration ends April 15, and there's a hefty late fee for anyone who registers after that point (including on-site registrants). For registration, go to: http://www.wmich.edu/medieval/congress/registration.html Feel free to forward this message to other interested parties. As usual, anyone who attends any DISTAFF sessions may get on the "member" list just by signing the sheet we pass around at each year's sessions. There are no dues, meetings, or obligations. We look forward to seeing many of you next month! --Robin Netherton, for DISTAFF _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 9 14:59:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29Ixnwg007330 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:59:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m29IxhMF016572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:59:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m29Iuxfr099109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29IuvZG053695; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19Gp7j5A2ah+DUz9l2IZz+6BQE+bDWvOA4@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29IurYr053576 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m29Iupck020730 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:56:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 23689 invoked by uid 80); 9 Mar 2008 18:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.19.229) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2008 18:56:51 -0000 Message-ID: <47D432F4.7090703@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:56:52 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Other DISTAFF announcements References: <47D426D5.8090006@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <47D426D5.8090006@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f823ee5-2b65-43c3-873a-56ad30de405f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D4339F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Since I haven't seen this pop up here yet, thought I'd pass it on. Thanks, Susan! I would have done this myself shortly -- you beat me to it. Below are a couple of other announcements I just sent to the DISTAFF list that might be of interest to h-cost. And in a moment I'll post separately some news related to the Medieval Clothing and Textiles journal, separated out for easier forwarding. Feel free to forward either or both of the announcements below. NEWSLETTER FOR ARCHAEOLOGICAL TEXTILES. Ulla Mannering of the Centre for Textile Research in Copenhagen sends this notice: As of 2008, Archaeological Textiles Newsletter (ATN) is being published by the newly established Friends of Archaeological Textiles Newsletter and edited at the Centre for Textile Research. ATN is a twice-yearly publication focusing on textiles found in archaeological contexts dating from the prehistoric to the modern age. Geographically, ATN concerns itself mainly with the Old World textiles (from Western Europe to Japan) but New World textiles may be included if deemed relevant. ATN began publication in 1985 to provide a medium for discussion, interaction, and exchange of information between archaeologists, conservators, historians, art historians, biologists, chemists, geologists, and craftspeople who have archaeological textiles at the core of their interests. Over the years, ATN has moved from an informational service to become an important venue for publication of important scientific articles. It also includes notes and queries, reviews, resources, and conference and event announcements. To subscribe, visit http://www.atnfriends.com . BAYEUX TAPESTRY CONFERENCE. The British Museum is sponsoring a conference called “The BT@ the BM: New Research on the Bayeux Tapestry” on July 15-16, 2008. The conference seeks to highlight recent and new research on the Tapestry, and to disseminate those findings to a wider audience, in the hope of furthering discussion, debate, and the sharing of ideas about this unique textile. Conference fee is £10 for one day or £15 for both days. For details, contact Dr. Michael Lewis, Department of Portable Antiquities & Treasure, British Museum, London, WC1B 3DG; e-mail mlewis@thebritishmuseum.ac.uk ; tel: (0044) 020 7323 8611. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 9 16:23:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29KNFpR010172 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m29KN9TJ025351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m29KMkUa012110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29KMgdU039955; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29IHGKW013647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-251.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m29IHFjj031316 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:17:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <78989FE6-703E-4793-9C92-8A51CAA0AEC8@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume From: Suzanne Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:17:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/6186/Sun Mar 9 10:47:50 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 0baf8008-fa77-486c-9444-41e45cc0df1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D4472D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I want to share my enthusiasm for a big, lovely, art book that I found at the library. "Prayers and Portraits: unfolding the Netherlandish diptych" was published in 2006 in conjunction with an exhibition of the same name, prepared by the National Gallery of Art in Washington and the Koninklijk Museum voor Schone Kunsten in Antwerp, in association with Harvard University Art Museums. Authors are John Oliver Hand, Catherine A. Metzger, and Ron Spronk. From the opening paragraph of the foreword, to the final paragraph of the acknowledgments on p. 275, this book is an armchair art history seminar of the Low Countries in the 15th & 16th centuries and a delight to read. Every work is discussed in terms of who made it, for whom, when, and what some of the symbols are [or may be, if there's no consensus] -- and while that's the part that contributed to my personal education, the really cool part is that each work is also represented by good color reproductions of the whole work and details thereof -- pages and pages of STUFF. This book is a treasure trove of household furnishing and dress details. Carpets, candles, books, vases, scissors...! Slippers, smocks, rosaries, rings, purses...! I can't take it all in, in one sitting. And I really want to know: are those frog closures on St. Paul's coat (on p. 131), or just a rendition of ladder lacing? ;-) (Painted in the first half of the 16th century, it reminds me a bit of the "Polish" fastenings of some Elizabethan doublets.) Anyway, I highly recommend this work for students of material culture as well as art history students. It's big -- it's hard to carry home in a standard-size briefcase -- and it's going to be even more difficult to return because it's so beautiful it'll hurt to give it up. :-) And there's an awesome bibliography, too, which has had me pounding out ILL requests all morning. Enjoy! Suzanne p.s. ISBN 0-300-12155-5, 339 p., published by the National Gallery of Art (Washington) in association with Yale University Press. p.p.s I know someone will ask, so here's the quote from the Foreword: "In the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries master artists such as Jan van Eyck, Rogier van der Weyden, and Hugo van der Goes-- working in the territory that includes present-day Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, and portions of France--produced some of the most beautiful and intriguing paintings of the period. The significance of this region at the time far outstripped its relatively small size, for its cities constituted vital hubs for commerce and banking, major sources of fine art and luxury items, and dynamic centers for a burgeoning art market. One popular art form was the Netherlandish diptych, comprising two panels hinged together like a book, on which the painted images assumed a compelling relationship to one another as a result of their pairing. ..." And the final line of the Acknowledgments: "Finally, we express heartfelt thanks to Dare Hartwell, Beth Miller, and Karma Tomm, who on many occasions saved us from becoming totally unhinged." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 9 16:23:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29KNc15010181 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:23:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m29KNXRn031948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m29KNHSg012183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29KNGEf040490; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/mEVjvylXu2DQXWofqsrdLmXUpTClZTqQ@mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m29JIh7l079134 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1d.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.169]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m29JIg1l003770 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:18:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 28305 invoked by uid 80); 9 Mar 2008 19:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.19.229) by 209.237.134.178 with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2008 19:18:42 -0000 Message-ID: <47D43813.6020507@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:18:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <47D426D5.8090006@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <47D426D5.8090006@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MC&T journal, new volume announcement and a special offer on past volumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a5539e6-9f54-4142-aa34-c2a83de412bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D44745.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:23:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Feel free to forward this to other individuals and lists. Volume 4 of the annual journal Medieval Clothing and Textiles will be published in April 2008. Papers in this volume of particular interest to costumers and re-enactors include: -- an in-depth study of an extant 14th-century embroidered linen cap (with diagrams explaining both the cap construction and the embroidery stitches) -- a classification system for surviving archaeological textiles based on their visual attributes (with photos) -- a re-analysis of the Greenland multi-gored gown, examining the possible development of its construction (with diagrams) and comparing it with styles in mainland Europe -- an overview of the use and types of quilts in Henry VIII's inventory, with a close look at one unusual and mysterious example ... as well as other papers that will be of particular interest to individuals depending on their areas and periods of focus. See details and a full contents list at http://www.boydell.co.uk/43833662.HTM . PREVIOUS MC&T VOLUMES: If you haven’t bought your own copies of the journal yet because you’ve been waiting for a good deal, now is the time. Boydell and Brewer will shortly be offering the first three volumes as a three-book set at a substantial discount: £50 (UK) or $95 (US). That’s roughly 40 percent off list price. I don’t have a webpage for the offer yet, but it should be available by April 17, 2008, via the B&B website at http://www.boydell.co.uk , under the ISBN 978-1-84383-420-5. This offer is open to anyone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 9 21:00:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A10Yt2020338 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:00:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2A10S0I030988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2A10246042090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A0xwFS095854; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A0xs4l095799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m2A0xqP4013880; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:59:53 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "SCA-GARB" , "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:00:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: [MEDIEV-L:55023] mss X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ce8cec6-bf41-4d9a-b4b8-ac34c67da32f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D4882C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:00:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I lurk on this list which is for Professional Academics. They do tolerate and take interest in those without the degrees and tenure tracks. They can be some of our own Big League SCA members disguised as their Mundane selves (Duke Finnvarr de Trahe, Sir Andrew of Riga, and more) who actually teach College Courses and have letters behind their names. They can also be people with a lot of Professional Re-enactment experience (Henk d'Jong who loathes the SCA). Best yet, there are a bunch of lurkers like myself who occasionally ask a question, or wade in when the Academic is obviously wrong (women's side saddles were unsafe at any speed which Countess Illaria took out with words and pictures!) At any rate, although this looks like a blog address, it has some of the neatest Manuscripts you have ever seen on the web, complete with illuminations. The text is mainly in French but who buys a book (or, in this case looks at it) for the text? (grin). This selection of manuscripts has wonderful illuminations. I suspect it has MUCH more but my second language is Troll. Regina -----Original Message----- From: owner-MEDIEV-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu [mailto:owner-MEDIEV-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu]On Behalf Of pecia Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:45 AM To: MEDIEV-L@listproc.cc.ku.edu Subject: [MEDIEV-L:55023] mss Pierre Geraut et son exemplaire du « Roman de la Rose » (ms Paris Bibliothèque Sainte-Geneviève 1127) Les Coustumes de Bretaigne de Guillaume Davy Le Roman de Otinel : un copiste de Saint-Brieuc en 1317 ... http://blog.pecia.fr jean luc deuffic _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 9 21:45:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A1jec5021696 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:45:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2A1jYjj020818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:45:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2A1e7if045916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A1e6Tc027972; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A1e3c4027928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m2A1e2kt008182 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:40:03 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:40:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <78989FE6-703E-4793-9C92-8A51CAA0AEC8@cybermesa.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbafe529-cd68-451c-897c-6b2f9237a566 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D492BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have one word for you: Enabler!! Book is for Sale on Amazon for a mere (!) $54.00. Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Suzanne > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:17 AM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" > > > I want to share my enthusiasm for a big, lovely, art book that I > found at the library. > > "Prayers and Portraits: unfolding the Netherlandish diptych" > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 9 22:37:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A2bxCE023833 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:37:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2A2brqo014801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2A2bQje001368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A2bOGk074406; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (sca-es-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A2bKWr074224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sharon.Zakhour@Sun.COM) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2A2bFuR021001 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JXH00H01TTJ4900@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Sharon.Zakhour@Sun.COM) for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.116] ([129.150.35.255]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JXH00MTETY2QV60@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:37:56 -0700 From: Sharon Zakhour Subject: Re: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <47D49F04.4080702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db2a71ef-91d9-4316-b892-622225a0bff1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D49F01.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:37:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, it's a good price, but it's out of stock. :-) Bianca Wanda Pease wrote: > I have one word for you: Enabler!! > > Book is for Sale on Amazon for a mere (!) $54.00. > > Regina > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 10 00:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A4fX6v029796 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:41:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2A4fShY004817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2A4f3Qv012622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:41:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A4f087071813; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2A4eveQ071786 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F5C38068 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MC&T journal, new volume announcement and a special offer on past volumes Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:41:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <47D426D5.8090006@rogers.com> <47D43813.6020507@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47D43813.6020507@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803100041.56878.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: badc76f0-6519-4764-b968-824ff48c6c5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D4BBF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:41:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 09 March 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Feel free to forward this to other individuals and lists. [snip] > > PREVIOUS MC&T VOLUMES: If you haven=92t bought your own copies of the > journal yet because you=92ve been waiting for a good deal, now is the > time. Boydell and Brewer will shortly be offering the first three > volumes as a three-book set at a substantial discount: =A350 (UK) or $95 > (US). That=92s roughly 40 percent off list price. I don=92t have a webpage > for the offer yet, but it should be available by April 17, 2008, via the > B&B website at http://www.boydell.co.uk , under the ISBN > 978-1-84383-420-5. This offer is open to anyone. I'd be upset, except I've managed to get the existing 3 volumes for close t= o=20 this price. :-) I really am looking forward to IV--it has several articles I expect to find= =20 very, very interesting with regard to my main area of costume interest. =2D-=20 Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 10 21:18:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B1I91h014991 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2B1I0WU024018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:18:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2B1HBDP012118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B1H6gq088711; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B1CNEY083214 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2880439wfa.23 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:12:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=JKNUl0PrtIKCOzxvGLkRPGBtssFqhbt70h8G7rCpCZs=; b=a3CV1aO2Dbmu+Ung1vEHBhObqM9xtzVLrjPdQClW0bPonNZMZmEkr2ch55wMw7xBfjE3ooMaSBEJ8M4N6JZLz5TbBHGsCJKQwYe9DxQsrw0VxhIWmKhDgHyDYvMboxdTF5dHMLaw2mxLJr+//NLGWYv1B9i8g20UzxPbSfvm+Kk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=StrWD41Gc0DRkRzhl4bPnnqT2LvQwRz01QgkOnfGyhtaQqLI2fKH07krtP/sD1W4LZ+c/CqZkOm0MNXNrL7cQF8yZqs2iyH7eWwoTfUCpn0h86gt5uGaHnUSFaDM4yirhsSDcoVXYxVQPX/3N60O9EEEhbRCKjXR/AFeuccpkk4= Received: by 10.142.163.14 with SMTP id l14mr2303230wfe.230.1205197937340; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.196.1 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:12:17 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb29c35c-4a44-4d64-b1f9-6c8ff75c1328 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D5DDC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My mom is quitting smoking and my sister is trying to get the smoke smell out of her clothes and linens (only reason I'm not is because I live too far away!) So far she's tried 2 washes with baking soda-based laundry detergent and drying with a scented dryer sheet, but the stink is still there. I've found a few online references (http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/msg0715272815935.html?4, http://ask.yahoo.com/20021212.html, http://www.howtogetridofstuff.com/odor-removal/how-to-get-rid-of-cigarette-smoke-smell) and while I'm still researching, I have a few questions: 1) most of the recommendations I've read for removing tobacco smoke from fabrics involve phospate based detergents, vinegar, and/or ammonia. This is great for whites, but will this affect dyed fabrics? 2) my mom is very wash and wear so most of her clothing (as well as linens) are cottons and cotton-poly blends. What about the odd wool or silk items? 3) Any further recommendations? Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 10 21:25:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B1P8Ad015216 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:25:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2B1P3OJ028116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:25:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2B1OcuX013357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B1Obv9097177; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from notesmail2.SJSU.EDU (notesmail2-native.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B1OXSD097003 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-154.sjsu.edu ([130.65.8.251]) by notesmail2.SJSU.EDU (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.2FP1) with ESMTP id 2008031018242725-128130 ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:24:27 -0700 Message-Id: <01E8CE12-61A4-4261-83BF-8F90C93B7850@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:24:27 -0700 References: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NotesMail2/SJSU(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 03/10/2008 06:24:27 PM, Serialize by Router on NotesMail2/SJSU(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 03/10/2008 06:24:35 PM, Serialize complete at 03/10/2008 06:24:35 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cdc1060-1528-4124-b480-1a397ebae66f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D5DF6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:25:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Mar 10, 2008, at 6:12 PM, A. Thurman wrote: > My mom is quitting smoking and my sister is trying to get the smoke > smell out of her clothes and linens (only reason I'm not is because I > live too far away!) > > So far she's tried 2 washes with baking soda-based laundry detergent > and drying with a scented dryer sheet, but the stink is still there. The Sharper Image "ionic breeze" air cleaners are actually surprisingly good on getting out smoke odors if you use them in an enclosed space. Hang your stuff in a closet, plug in the air cleaner, and close the door. Leave it for a week or so. The cleaner produces a small amount of ozone, and that just eats up the smoke smell. Then there's the old theatrical trick; fill a pump-spray bottle full of vodka. Hang the stuff you want to deodorize, and mist lightly with vodka. Repeat daily for a few days. If all else fails, Febreeze. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 10 22:01:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B21nFR016728 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2B21hwL021410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:01:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2B21MPX018678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B21J4o036774; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B21CQa036554 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2096817pyc.4 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:01:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GD/iQewpV75XZfF6e4MerKcSb1fR0zSX/inDXf7l86c=; b=DEec+z2Tc0fboUl11oekFqXYHrhN57Ew0YRLx7BNQ4Fz0mPvXD736fCOqszqlV7MYNPcnHEg2nS3pDhDF/EPyGJZ6UVSM+Ap8T6rqLpRyHQ0Z5Iqz7eQRPWhIQIoDMMg3QtEYWCOZ2qSQOcQ/p9GHN0JsOClKe0ZHAZnR3CwY0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oUo99YASyf+OXc27RsNE5GSO19oCheC27jnpEwfr3da+8m8C4wifjjXqoBVvnz+mAjyF4h8mKgxWV1lVvYE+nJ1fqViBeSHDLocSJBF57XExqq3Afz8KsL/HIQ0qNVGGPFqiOdVmyOXgKZaxZTtj9ULlCHP1jjJx8cBSH3sonLg= Received: by 10.65.40.16 with SMTP id s16mr11720932qbj.77.1205200871979; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.44.18 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070803101901j41fcbfd6n5bc0492a0fef73a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:01:11 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9673329a-d8af-45cb-9041-688f5c397f35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D5E807.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know if it would work on clothing, but this is the recommendation I got for removing the smell from a meat filled freezer that went bad..... place newspapers on the bottom of the container, sprinkle baking soda in a generous layer and then sprinkle that generously with vanilla. It absorbed the smell out of the freezer, which I thought was a goner, like you wouldn't believe. Katy On 3/10/08, A. Thurman wrote: > My mom is quitting smoking and my sister is trying to get the smoke > smell out of her clothes and linens (only reason I'm not is because I > live too far away!) > > So far she's tried 2 washes with baking soda-based laundry detergent > and drying with a scented dryer sheet, but the stink is still there. > > I've found a few online references > (http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/msg0715272815935.html?4, > http://ask.yahoo.com/20021212.html, > http://www.howtogetridofstuff.com/odor-removal/how-to-get-rid-of-cigarette-smoke-smell) > and while I'm still researching, I have a few questions: > > 1) most of the recommendations I've read for removing tobacco smoke > from fabrics involve phospate based detergents, vinegar, and/or > ammonia. This is great for whites, but will this affect dyed fabrics? > > 2) my mom is very wash and wear so most of her clothing (as well as > linens) are cottons and cotton-poly blends. What about the odd wool or > silk items? > > 3) Any further recommendations? > > Thanks in advance, > > Allison T. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 00:06:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B46dTG021290 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:06:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2B46TEj006953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2B45r6o036287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B45jM7062374; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B45dZS062182 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=fPB4jZXDECt1llCSb0as8wADJRerE0lQPWhjq3Xr2yR43V9bNzIO1PycPWHZSjkJ; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JYvk6-0006sz-2F for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:05:34 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080310230055.02862a90@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:05:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <3586f5070803101901j41fcbfd6n5bc0492a0fef73a0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> <3586f5070803101901j41fcbfd6n5bc0492a0fef73a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53f33d9320559beb6771a6c607552b811674bf2364ed52e5d4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28b6be45-f015-4b71-a359-2a3deddec535 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D60545.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A good dry cleaner should be able to get the smell out of the wool and silk. I had a wool military beret borrowed by a smoker friend (who has since quit - yay!!) When I got it back it reeked of smoke. I took it to the cleaners and when it came back - no smell! BTW, this was a cleaner that used the CO2 process - so the understructure was not affected, and there was no chemical smell, either. HTH, Sandy At 09:01 PM 3/10/2008, you wrote: > > 2) my mom is very wash and wear so most of her clothing (as well as > > linens) are cottons and cotton-poly blends. What about the odd wool or > > silk items? > > > Allison T. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 05:08:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B98nG3000722 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:08:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2B98et2025261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2B97ofk076107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B97k3L036567; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2B977jY035846 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080311090652.GUTG19740.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:06:52 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.10.136.208]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id zl6Q1Y00J4Vx6nY02l6R4y; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:06:25 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:06:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c88357$3e1c88f0$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190803101812o1bf81465xc2c10a938ebf2091@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87420b08-8437-4fcb-a792-0b3ceb259561 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D64C18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There is a spray product available at places such as Home Depot that does a very good job of removing smoke smells from things. I didn't use it on clothing, but read the label and see if it's recommended or not. A few years back our kitchen caught fire and this spray really did an excellent job on the house, including the furniture. I gave the rest of the can to my sister to get the tobacco pipe smell out of her car after her husband has been driving it for a while. She said it worked there as well. Sorry I can't remember the exact name but it was located in the cleaning section of HD. ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A. Thurman Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:12 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics My mom is quitting smoking and my sister is trying to get the smoke smell out of her clothes and linens (only reason I'm not is because I live too far away!) So far she's tried 2 washes with baking soda-based laundry detergent and drying with a scented dryer sheet, but the stink is still there. I've found a few online references (http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/msg0715272815935.html?4, http://ask.yahoo.com/20021212.html, http://www.howtogetridofstuff.com/odor-removal/how-to-get-rid-of-cigaret te-smoke-smell) and while I'm still researching, I have a few questions: 1) most of the recommendations I've read for removing tobacco smoke from fabrics involve phospate based detergents, vinegar, and/or ammonia. This is great for whites, but will this affect dyed fabrics? 2) my mom is very wash and wear so most of her clothing (as well as linens) are cottons and cotton-poly blends. What about the odd wool or silk items? 3) Any further recommendations? Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 10:34:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BEYm9I032181 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BEYhcn013989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:34:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BEXk7S017954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BEXdoQ055504; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BEXXul055369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-26-86.desm.qwest.net [75.162.26.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BEXVnj022263 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:33:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:33:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/6197/Tue Mar 11 07:04:13 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be8a6fad-9280-4f68-824f-dca68b6fe21e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D69883.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hey, I never told you to BUY the book! ;-) That's what Inter- Library Loan is for.... Suzanne > From: "Wanda Pease" > Date: March 9, 2008 9:40:15 PM CDT > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > I have one word for you: Enabler!! > > Book is for Sale on Amazon for a mere (!) $54.00. > > Regina > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- >> bounces@indra.com]On >> Behalf Of Suzanne >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:17 AM >> To: h-costume >> Subject: [h-cost] book: "Prayers and Portraits" >> >> >> I want to share my enthusiasm for a big, lovely, art book that I >> found at the library. >> >> "Prayers and Portraits: unfolding the Netherlandish diptych" >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 10:39:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BEdgMe032469 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:39:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BEdV7m008138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:39:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BEceug018625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BEcbmb061837; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BEbmK2060767 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W48 ([65.55.138.83]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:37:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Where are the Lectures? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:37:43 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CA4CFFD3B966A3-113C-4CB5@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA4CFFD3B966A3-113C-4CB5@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2008 14:37:42.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[76CB40A0:01C88385] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8f88674-011d-46ff-aceb-0e2291aaca99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D699A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have been doing this for a couple of years now through the Scottsdale Cen= ter for the Arts and also the Phoenix Art Museum as well as some college le= cturing. Also, our PAM has a costume institute - so that small group is alw= ays happy for a lecture or demonstration. My suggestion is to contact a l= ocal museum, art center, or college and offer up your services. Offer a t= opic to them and solicit ideas...they are thrilled whenever I do something.= =20 =20 I should note, I've only been paid once for doing this, and I think it work= ed out to less than $5.00 an hour, but it is SO much fun! =20 Sg _____________________________________________________________> Have any of = you ever been asked to speak publicly about period clothing > of any era?> = A lady friend of mine asked me a very lovely question last night and I > ma= y need a little advice before giving her a reply. She was told about > my c= ollection of antique clothing and my general passion for it, and > asked if= I ever hold public programs involving them. I told her I > haven't yet but= am honoured to be considered in doing so. The program > would be about 45 = minutes and I am trying to come up with a theme for > it, a way in which I = can utlize my collection for such a purpose since > I am far from having a = complete collection of anything.> > If anyone could offer any suggestions f= or a program theme and would > need to know what I have to work with please= email me directly.> > Take care everybody:)> > ___________________________= ____________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> htt= p://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 16:04:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BK46ns014845 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:04:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BK3trA018931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BK3Dhf069468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BK2Yhs095510; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BK2L9D095083 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bd5.28283726 (30738) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:02:12 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: getting smoke smell out of fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53c20364-1d76-41f3-92c8-241ccbc235d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D6E5AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:03:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't tried it on smoke, but good old White Vinegar is my fall back. Lord knows it works for getting a certain cat smell out of fabric for me! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 16:28:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BKSTpq015636 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:28:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BKSN3p004220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BKRhQ7071999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BKQRd0028784; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from CANTVJ.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ ([132.181.2.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BKPf14027680 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-1 #31493) id <01MSBUURSGMOCL8L70@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:25:24 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.200.219] (rcmt-cad45.law.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.200.219]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) with ESMTPA id <01MSBUURAT4ECF0726@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:25:24 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:25:23 +1300 From: Antonia Calvo Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: getting smoke smell out of fabrics In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <47D6EAB3.7060609@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a390b2a4-5df7-4e38-99fd-ca9f8e9e1842 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D6EB67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:28:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote: >I haven't tried it on smoke, but good old White Vinegar is my fall back. Lord >knows it works for getting a certain cat smell out of fabric for me! > > Does it work when the cat is a smoker? -- Antonia Calvo (formerly known as Adele de Maisieres) ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 18:37:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BMb71o021231 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:37:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BMb2dG016927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BMaL4R091612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BMYtBt097759; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BMXcqg096281 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cde.261de9d5 (32914) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:33:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:33:28 EDT Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2865224-c251-4b01-8fcd-8950844ddc62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D7098E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you have the capability the best thing I've ever found for getting smoke out of fabrics is simply to give them a really good airing - preferably outdoors. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 19:14:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BNEJck022505 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:14:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BNEE3b000556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:14:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BNDqkY097510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BNDoHE040956; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:13:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from modus0.nventure.com (modus0.nventure.com [208.186.47.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BNDj9R040788 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [70.56.73.220]) by modus0.nventure.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.5.654.0) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:12:11 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: peggy@krazykatfiberhaus.com=OK X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <47D71216.4070604@krazykatfiberhaus.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:13:26 -0700 From: Peggy - Krazy Kat Fiberhaus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200803111803.m2BI0qiP039714@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200803111803.m2BI0qiP039714@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] . Re: semi-OT: getting smoke smell out of fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e24b639-59da-420e-8411-ba9aa45465a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D71246.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:14:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We had some threads come in on a special order (the type you can't return). Well, they were the nastiest smelling things due to someone being a smoker where they were stored. Someone made the suggestion to put the threads in a paper bag then put the bag into the freezer over night. Surprisingly enough, it worked. Being in the freezer killed the icky tobacco smoke stink. Hope this helps. Peggy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 19:59:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BNx5bb024237 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:59:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2BNx0vD031530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2BNwbAS003394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2BNwYhr086620; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway03.websitewelcome.com (gateway03.websitewelcome.com [74.52.223.66] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2BNwVVH086542 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 15238 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 00:02:36 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway03.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 00:02:36 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55512) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZEMR-0005lF-Ea; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:58:23 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:58:23 -0400 Message-ID: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:58:23 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd19ba05-a783-467e-a1cc-2f16e1caf256 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D71CC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:59:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We've been looking at this painting http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halo's). To my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take the painting title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 21:19:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1JpIF026752 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:19:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C1JiBa010830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C1IRcX012901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1IN50062233; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C0J0Yh006537 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W52 ([64.4.19.152]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.60.112.211] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:18:55 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2008 00:18:55.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8CA4F50:01C883D6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 2599ad28-4198-42cb-ab35-c2e41b1780b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47D72FB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, here is my opion: I love the Christian art from Early through the Byz= antine Era. At that time, any who actively participated in the Nativity paintings were = given the halo to distinguish who were important and those who were inciden= tal to the painting. Mother, baby, Joseph and magi had that honor. It was a= s if to say these people were touched by God to be there at that time, to w= itness this special event.. the birth of God's Son made into human flesh. T= he fulfilment of the prophesies of the Jewish Bible/Torah.=20 The magi were well educated men, usually of high ranking and social status.= .. so people would believe them. They researched the star for many years be= fore finding the Christ child. THey had travelled for mnay months to get th= ere at just the right time.=20 Joseph was given this honor because God and his angels had told him that Ma= ry had notbetrayed their marriage vow. Joseph was to raise the holy child a= nd guide him until he was old enough to begin his teachings.=20 Mary, of course. was the Holy Vessel in which the Holy Child was made flesh= . She was perfect in God's eyes, the symbol of the love and caring that onl= y a mother can have most of the time. Mary had been choosen long before she= was told by the angel.=20 The halos themselves held stars to represent the heavens and godly environm= ents. This was the symbol of heaven... the star... just like the star that = shone that night. I say all this because I took a class on Early Christian Art and Iconograph= y. I did research on the Madonna and Child in the Haga Sophia. Through that= research, I read lots of books trying to find out what each part meant. Th= e colors, the jewels, the way the people were portrayed by posture... right= down to that white hanky on Mary's finger. I finally found out what that w= as last year. I met a man who was Orthodox Christian from Constantinople/Is= tanbul. He told me that the handkerchief respresented the partonage of Mary= , who was the parton saint of that city. Through her, the city prospered an= d was under her protection. Some say the cloth represented the swaddling cl= othes, or the cloth in which the body of Christ was wrapped (especially the= cloth that was put over the face of the dead before wrapping and oils appl= ied) or the cloth to wipe away her tears at his death. Either way, the symb= olism is a wide open field. Well worth reading if you're really interested.= Look in iconography books and symbol books. Sorry so long a message but I love that research. Great stuff to those Chri= stians that don't know and aren't taught in thier churches either. Most of = the symbolism is lost to the books when it does have a bearing on any faith= in the world, Christian, Jew, Hebrew or Moslim. Don't know about other rel= igions but all have symbolism.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> Date: Tue, 11 Mar= 2008 19:58:23 -0400> From: sfarmer@goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com>= CC: > Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question> > We've been looking a= t this painting> http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg> Bille= d as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422> > Are those really= the Magi? (The folks with the halo's). To my *very* > untrained eye, they = remind me more of saints than Magi. The > individual in the peach/orange wi= th the blue head-wrap reminds me more > of The Magdalene rather than one of= the Magi.> > I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints iconograph= y -- and > I know that there are folks on this list that are more knowledge= able > than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take the painting = > title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't > like= any other representations of Magi that I've seen.> > Thanks!> Susan> -----= > Susan Farmer> sfarmer@goldsword.com> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College= > Division of Science and Math> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/>= > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing lis= t> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costu= me _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.=A0You IM, we g= ive. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=3Dtext_hotmail_join= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 21:20:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1KEeg026768 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:20:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C1K7ZM022724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C1JgpS013024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1JeZZ063361; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C0qWgc038080 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JXL002YFEEUYTS0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:52:08 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question In-reply-to: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c6f6349-b3aa-4d9d-a512-496a6103b28f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D72FC7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:20:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hmmmm. I'm usually pretty good at this (Catholic school fom grade 1 through grad school) I would have thought the person in the front in red was probably Mary Magdelene because the cup is part of the iconography and it looks like a woman. But I am stumped. St. Joseph is the guy in yellow at the left. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question We've been looking at this painting http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halo's). To my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take the painting title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 21:30:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1UFsv027109 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:30:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C1U3iW004003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C1ToOg014270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1Tkwh072557; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1TgaO072419 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080312012933.KHVI2635.mta41.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:29:33 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080312012933.WVGS17353.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:29:33 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:29:30 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c883e0$85680980$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciD1CGYJ9qcznXVTOqpHPQX7yMKpwAC7v5A X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b71bae0b-7b4d-4b5f-b496-8eca4faf2503 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D7321B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, not that I'm trained either...but if you zoom in the two guys kneeling have crowns by their feet, indicating their royalty I assume, which would point to Magi/Kings. Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. Also, I don't know when it started, but one of the Magi very often is dressed like a far eastern/persian (vs. two that look more European), which may by the one with the blue wrap around his head. They are also all carrying small vials/gifts, which would again be Magi. Also, Jesus is an infant, and the Magdalene doesn't show up in the Biblical account until He is well into His ministry (after age 30). So, that's my two cents. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question > > We've been looking at this painting > http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg > Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 > > Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halo's). To > my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than > Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue > head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of > the Magi. > > I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints > iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list > that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me > that I should just take the painting title at face value and > go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other > representations of Magi that I've seen. > > Thanks! > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College > Division of Science and Math > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 21:40:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1eZdF027466 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C1eNTL031494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C1e3Zo015349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C1duPo084700; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [69.56.170.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2C1dF67084126 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 32472 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 01:45:33 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 01:45:33 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38867) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZFvw-0005Si-H5; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:39:08 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:39:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20080311213908.6webgerhcgwsog00@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:39:08 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: abfea072-6be3-4eee-b52a-416fc7a53942 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D73487.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > Hmmmm. I'm usually pretty good at this (Catholic school fom grade 1 through > grad school) I would have thought the person in the front in red was > probably Mary Magdelene because the cup is part of the iconography and it > looks like a woman. But I am stumped. See, that's what I thought. The belt makes it look like a woman's garment; but the bearded man on the horse in the background is also wearing a belted garment. It's got me stumped; but I'm so far out of my league on this one! > > St. Joseph is the guy in yellow at the left. > nods. That one I knew! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 22:03:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C23tDG028036 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C23n1x028747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C23W0p017652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C23VE4005483; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C23SEk005418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m2C23OQB015624 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:27 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64225.72.13.239.193.1205287407.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <005201c883e0$85680980$6401a8c0@OurComputer> References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> <005201c883e0$85680980$6401a8c0@OurComputer> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fef538e2-e3db-4237-b49a-353945b83f82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47D73A05.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. Yes, held by a woman (?) who is also holding a sword. My guess is that the Magi are the three bearded men with halos. The one with the blue headwrap seems to be wearing a high-waisted gown and seems to have breasts. No cloak like the three (definite) men are wearing. Notice also the woman holding the sword and crown also has blue gloves, as does the guy with the pointy beard and blue turban & wrap. At first I thought Magi in green held a sword, but it looks more like the lining of his cloak. Interesting painting! -Carol >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question >> >> We've been looking at this painting >> http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg >> Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 >> >> Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halos). To >> my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than >> Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue >> head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of >> the Magi. >> >> I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints >> iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list >> that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me >> that I should just take the painting title at face value and >> go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other >> representations of Magi that I've seen. >> >> Thanks! >> Susan >> ----- >> Susan Farmer >> sfarmer@goldsword.com >> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College >> Division of Science and Math >> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 23:07:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C371hC030513 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C36uYk028108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:06:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C36XJr023388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C36WeJ061853; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C36UAp061808 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02A6D3AF18 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:06:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <64225.72.13.239.193.1205287407.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecbfb13f-798e-44e3-9099-5b9111330564 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D748D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joseph is the one in the left lower corner in yellow. The Magi in red seems to be a little fancier then the other two. There is always one magi that looks different (Persian, young,...), but this one definitely looks female. A larger picture helps a wee bit. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Don_Lorenzo_Monaco_001.jp g http://tinyurl.com/2xxo2r Here the young mens garments have two waistline?(A bit blurry) http://tinyurl.com/ytvw4m The retainer in lavender has a liripipe on not a high waisted belt. You can see a lower waistline on him. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11710&Empnum=0&Inicio=16 In the beheading of St. Catherine,(#19) the man to the far right appears to have it tied a few inches above the natural waistline. But the "Virgin Annunciate" (#24) shows a high waistline. :P Anyway the hair indicates male even if the waistline suggests female. -----Original Message----- > Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. Yes, held by a woman (?) who is also holding a sword. My guess is that the Magi are the three bearded men with halos. The one with the blue headwrap seems to be wearing a high-waisted gown and seems to have breasts. No cloak like the three (definite) men are wearing. Notice also the woman holding the sword and crown also has blue gloves, as does the guy with the pointy beard and blue turban & wrap. At first I thought Magi in green held a sword, but it looks more like the lining of his cloak. Interesting painting! -Carol >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question >> >> We've been looking at this painting >> http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg >> Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 >> >> Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halos). To >> my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than >> Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue >> head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of >> the Magi. >> >> I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints >> iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list >> that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me >> that I should just take the painting title at face value and >> go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other >> representations of Magi that I've seen. >> >> Thanks! >> Susan >> ----- >> Susan Farmer >> sfarmer@goldsword.com >> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College >> Division of Science and Math >> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 11 23:07:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C37R0A030524 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C37BAl000785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C35Nhb023292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C35H1Q060749; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C35EX0060639 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:05:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080312030505.PXUA23078.mta21.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:05:05 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080312030504.YWKI11293.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:05:04 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com><005201c883e0$85680980$6401a8c0@OurComputer> <64225.72.13.239.193.1205287407.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c883ed$dd6bb390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <64225.72.13.239.193.1205287407.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciD5WEbrourxFgPSY2Evcjg59imuAAB6L8Q X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34f76c08-40a1-4192-a357-3cc6a5162cdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D748DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How do you determine that the person holding the sword and crown is a woman? My scan of the crowd seems to show all men, and holding a sword would definitely be a man's job. The gown worn is pretty much the same as the black man in pink directly to his right. And as mentioned before, the man in yellow sitting in the corner is definitely Joseph. For one, he has no brocaded trim on his gown. Not sure if yellow is significant (probably!) And I still think the red-gowned person is the third Magi, as 1) that is where the crown is and 2) this person is holding one of the three gifts. Yellow gowned Joseph is not. Where is Robin to tell us all how far off we are??? :-) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of aquazoo@patriot.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:03 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question > > > Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. > > Yes, held by a woman (?) who is also holding a sword. > > My guess is that the Magi are the three bearded men with > halos. The one with the blue headwrap seems to be wearing a > high-waisted gown and seems to have breasts. No cloak like > the three (definite) men are wearing. > > Notice also the woman holding the sword and crown also > has blue gloves, as does the guy with the pointy beard and > blue turban & wrap. > > At first I thought Magi in green held a sword, but it > looks more like the lining of his cloak. > > Interesting painting! > > -Carol > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM > >> To: Historical Costume > >> Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question > >> > >> We've been looking at this painting > >> http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg > >> Billed as "Adoration of the Magi" by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 > >> > >> Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halos). > To my *very* > >> untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The > >> individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me > >> more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. > >> > >> I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints > iconography -- and > >> I know that there are folks on this list that are more > knowledgeable > >> than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take > the painting > >> title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't > >> like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Susan > >> ----- > >> Susan Farmer > >> sfarmer@goldsword.com > >> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College > >> Division of Science and Math > >> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 01:42:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C5gMn9003778 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:42:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C5gA21009601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C5fPue036253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C5fLHB084607; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18hA01QgUIb1ip0UycvHpsBhmlb6DofN+g@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C5fGYQ084565 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2C5fFKN011059 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:41:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 5258 invoked by uid 80); 12 Mar 2008 05:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.19.229) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2008 05:41:15 -0000 Message-ID: <47D76CFA.2030509@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:41:14 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] saint/iconography question References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com><005201c883e0$85680980$6401a8c0@OurComputer> <64225.72.13.239.193.1205287407.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <006601c883ed$dd6bb390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> In-Reply-To: <006601c883ed$dd6bb390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 860d7808-a8f8-4008-be99-1973c83754dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D76D32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > And as mentioned before, the man in yellow sitting in the corner is > definitely Joseph. For one, he has no brocaded trim on his gown. Not sure if > yellow is significant (probably!) Yes to all. Yellow is one of the "Jewish" clues in art of some places and periods, very likely including this one. > And I still think the red-gowned person is the third Magi, as 1) that is > where the crown is and 2) this person is holding one of the three gifts. Correct. One of the Magi is routinely shown as a beardless, beautiful youth, dressed in particularly exotic foreign dress. That's him. The other two, according to custom, are middle-aged and old respectively, so they represent the three ages of man. (In Northern painting, but not so often in Italian, the three are also typically of different races -- white Western European, swarthy or black African, and some attempt at Asian or, failing that, Eastern European. These patterns don't match up consistently with the age distribution; e.g. sometimes the African is young, sometimes middle-aged.) Often people look at the gift out of context and think it's the Magdalen's ointment jar, but that's obviously not the correct reading here. The entire painting is very formulaic; that's part the artist's deliberate attempt to make sure the viewer recognizes it. You have mother, baby, three haloed figures in exotic dress, three crowns, three gifts, the stable setting; these are the necessary ingredients for the Magi scene. Positions are pretty standardized also: One of the Magi is presenting a gift, the others waiting, at least one of them kneeling. Joseph is in the corner, placed as observer but not participant (look at the direction of the gazes). And so on. Artists will sometimes play with the arrangement of a formulaic scene for artistic purposes. Because people are used to seeing a scene done in a certain way, making a change can be a way to call attention to some aspect, e.g. you might direct the Virgin's gaze the position of a donor, or align the figures to place emphasis on some element of the setting. I don't think we need to read the young Magus as a woman, though; that would be beyond the scope of the sort of artistic alteration one sees in this period. And although this figure has feminine elements, you do see a *lot* of Italian youths who look feminine to our eyes. The figures standing around all look to me like male entourage -- lots of foreign elements in the headwear, etc. I'd like to know more about the circumstances of the image; there may be a religious order that has some significance in the representation here. Lots of stuff going on up top, most noticeably the Annunciation to the Shepherds. No idea about that little cloud of praying angels on the stable wall. > Where is Robin to tell us all how far off we are??? :-) Robin has been fighting with e-mail trouble all day. If you've tried to write me and it bounced, keep trying. I'm still yelling at my ISP. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 05:11:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C9BL7V012038 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:11:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2C9BBu4004656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2C9AW3L056992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:10:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C9ASUQ072957; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2C9ANLv072879 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.66153666; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:10:00 0000 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m2C94v706375.; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:05:02 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:04:57 +0000 Message-Id: <47D79CAE02000014000E4427@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:04:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200803120309.m2C36al7061911@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200803120309.m2C36al7061911@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Saint/iconography question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba22437c-af01-40e2-8aa1-f9b8a28b687d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D79E2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 09:40:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CDe2E4007753 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:40:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CDdkPq009619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CDdFxu088290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CDdBGU034889; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:39:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2CDd4lx034660 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61737 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2008 13:38:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YruuUVM45GIapSWu59LqYbrZfnORmBgGUsWu5//uFruGgKcnm4KNuC9GNBZSmMGGp1dqaLZ34k6tzr50gmNelF6S4o0szfC5m6ARkw0DM2AsdZkh/nw9rZVMKbOlF30+3moz+AM1ha3Or5hN9fYUME9P0mq8Og3xhKJuvPu4XO4=; X-YMail-OSG: 2bpSOIYVM1nn6xb_giAat.OnqUh3OO_q0o5RIr07ZSS43ydzct5JMeyBUFeX6oS7gg-- Received: from [67.152.147.20] by web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:38:58 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200803120307.m2C36al6061911@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <51484.61653.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e786c093-5b3b-46d4-b42b-ffea95eaa045 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47D7DD22.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If the person in red looks like Mary Magdalene then the guy in front looks a lot like St. Peter. The third haloed fellow just doesn't look exotic enough to be a Magi. The artist certainly knew how to paint people of different ethnities. Could the three haloed people be saints important in the life of Jesus. Peter and Mary M make sense but could the third one be Paul. He sometimes is depicted with a sword. Twelve years of Catholic school AND an art history degree and I'm still not sure. Context is everything. Maybe the patron was picky or the artist's modelbook had the saints mislabeled. Cheers, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 10:09:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CE9JSR009150 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:09:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CE98nk011342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:09:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CE8IQT092979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CE8Gvp074575; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2CE8AWb074322 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cassandra@greer.de) Received: (qmail 24047 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2008 14:08:03 -0000 Received: from 83.243.115.232 by www052.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:08:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:06:30 +0100 from: "Cassandra Greer" In-Reply-To: <006b01c7fd13$476006f0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Message-ID: <20080312140803.246460@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <009b01c7cbc7$42fd1080$6401a8c0@VMAA1> <006b01c7fd13$476006f0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> to: "Historical Costume" X-Authenticated: #13649924 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6107 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18iRDcivmQitAeYz+8w09kUP4wL8R5n728Yxx8q+G gbfXpqbcD3CyltTN+FMaOoedkcBwTh1HRNyA== X-Registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: +tvhDg4nQEV/GjN+uXVpZYdCNzg2NYJ7 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] material for Russian coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1faf37b-afae-487e-bef6-a6616d444fd9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D7E404.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:09:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year?  Thanks in advance!  Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and the hubby has a better job...)    _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 10:32:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CEWaIJ010208 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:32:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CEWUd0004428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:32:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CEW2rK096631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CEW0B3007258; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch1.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CEVvNa007038 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080312140803.246460@gmx.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] material for Russian coat Thread-Index: AciESsJG/TEiKrBvQdeJVeL5EkmBDAAArMQQ From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ff44663-0456-4b8a-b846-1f2b8ca8d9eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D7E97E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On > Behalf Of Cassandra Greer > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:07 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] material for Russian coat >=20 > Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only > clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat = for a > play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in = England > and > is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it = is > almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few = online > fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the > appropriate type of material even at this time of year? >=20 > =A0Thanks in advance! >=20 > =A0Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school = and > the hubby has a better job...) >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 11:28:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CFSdw5012653 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:28:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CFSUM0027915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:28:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CFRrFn004786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CFRdrb081756; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CFRZ13081616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JZSrX-0002fU-8d for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:27:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:27:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] saint/iconography question In-Reply-To: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb791e01-48d1-4e34-a87e-0c8af83ddf6d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D7F69E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:28:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Another useful bit to help you identify the Magi: frankincense and myrrh are aromatic resins*, so they're going to be in containers. Two of the Magi are always holding containers of some sort--either covered cups or boxes. Incidentally, the actual Biblical text (in Luke, IIRC) does not specify the number of Magi, it just says "and there came wise men from the East". People decided that there were three of them because there were three gifts mentioned. Regards, Jen/pixel/Margaret *if you spill myrrh into your electric stove and fail to clean it out sufficiently, the aroma when the stove is on will last about six months. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 14:49:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CIn6Xq020974 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:49:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CImtLg018931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CImHI4038181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CIlbxE068271; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CIkK6M066660 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bd1.2b623526 (32915) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:46:07 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 92 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3b118d7-ef2c-4693-afc8-a7668b990d7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D82597.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:49:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wherabouts is she? And what kind of woollen fabric is she after? There's always the re-enactor's market this weekend. Failing that there are a number of suppliers that carry wools all year round for re-enactors and the like. Depends what she needs. There are some who make hooky mats here still, but it's a bit of a dying art - has been seen as antiquated for quite a few decades - although there are shops here that will have stuff for it, there aren't likely to be many that specialise in that alone. Mind you, that said retail haberdashery shops and fabric shops in general are something of a dying breed here. >Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only >clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a >play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and >is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is >almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online >fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the >appropriate type of material even at this time of year? >Thanks in advance! >Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and >the hubby has a better job...) In a message dated 12/03/2008 18:02:55 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hi-- I have just discovered a local store geared toward the craft of hooked and needle-punched and braided rugs-- which uses wool cut into narrow strips. So in this age of polar fleece, there's a store chock-full of wools of all weights and colors, year-round! I suggest she look for something like that. No idea if that particular craft is "big" in England, but it's certainly worth looking into... Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 15:19:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CJJBhA022539 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:19:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CJJ5iT003808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CJIfq5042980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CJHZlu010940; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CJHLrc010437 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF13C123662 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:17:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47D83A48.1020303@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:17:12 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] material for Russian coat References: <009b01c7cbc7$42fd1080$6401a8c0@VMAA1> <006b01c7fd13$476006f0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <20080312140803.246460@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080312140803.246460@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 738af6d0-2386-4cbd-9047-a120cd19ce42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47D82CA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cassandra Greer wrote: > Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online > fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the > appropriate type of material even at this time of year? > > Fabric.com has a few wools in solid colors left. Fashionfabricsclub.com has a better variety, including blends, in various prices. Voguefabricsstore.com also has wools at reasonable prices. Much more expensive wools can be had from dozens of online shops by searching "fabric store wool" on google. Unless she is looking for something specific in color or weave, it ought to be fairly easy to find coat weight fabrics online. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 16:14:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKEk5k025137 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CKEWk8012127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CKE2Jp051961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKDrgS090440; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKDdDa089906 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W20 ([65.55.133.55]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:13:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.202.235] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:13:33 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20080311195823.zsvq6vbim80g4c4g@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2008 20:13:33.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C441670:01C8847D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3080851-0f10-4bfa-8a29-d058865dfd5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D839A8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:27:27 -0500> From: pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com =20 *if you spill myrrh into your electric stove and fail to clean it out suffi= ciently, the aroma when the stove is on will last about six months.LOL! Th= at little tidbit has all the earmarks of the voice of experience.... =20 Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail=AE-get yo= ur "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 16:24:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKO95t025486 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:24:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CKO0Hf031642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CKNYrO053515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKNTgX004596; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKNKh1004265 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d2d.23a04c51 (39331) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:23:04 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: getting smoke smell out of fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e2c3ada-405a-4085-aa79-b004790b451a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47D83BE0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:25:23 +1300 From: Antonia Calvo Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: getting smoke smell out of fabrics To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <47D6EAB3.7060609@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote: >I haven't tried it on smoke, but good old White Vinegar is my fall back. Lord >knows it works for getting a certain cat smell out of fabric for me! > Does it work when the cat is a smoker? -- Antonia Calvo (formerly known as Adele de Maisieres) Yes, but only Cigars and Pipes, and Turkish Cigarettes! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 19:43:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CNhwWe000451 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:43:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2CNhpAa003145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2CNhFqa080603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CNhBCv051349; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway03.websitewelcome.com (gateway03.websitewelcome.com [69.93.31.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2CNh7oO051295 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 6080 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 23:47:14 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway03.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 23:47:14 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58825) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZab4-00075i-LM; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:42:58 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:42:58 -0400 Message-ID: <20080312194258.zbe9152ps0kkc4s8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:42:58 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question References: <51484.61653.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <51484.61653.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bb73274-9208-4911-812f-e2cc2cf8648a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D86AB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:43:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Quoting Mary : > Unless the context of this painting is a series on the > nativity I wonder if it actually more of a sideways > "Virgin and Child Entroned with Saints and Angels." > One is more likely to see Mary and Jesus presented in > the center with saint important to the patron around > the sides or below. I've been looking a lots and lots > of nativity images in researching children's clothing > and there generally aren't that many people hanging > around a regualr nativity. But then why don't the rest > of them have halos. This is what the wga.hu site says about the painting. "Probably created for the Sant'Egidio's church in Florence, the =20 central panel was executed by Lorenzo Monaco, painter and Camaldolite =20 monk whose activity as illuminator appears in bright colours. His =20 wholly Gothic style also emerges in lengthened figures. Prophets and =20 the Annunciation in the upper part are by Cosimo Rosselli, and was =20 added at the end of 15th century when the original triptych was made =20 rectangular, with the almost complete abolition of divisions between =20 panels. Restored in 1995" And thanks all for the comments. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 20:03:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D03IlZ001049 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:03:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D039Jn012413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:03:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D02giJ083113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D02flQ070014; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+GPmarOgiEUG5+ctk014RF4u+sHiawKVM@mail10.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D02cDS069944 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2D02bJQ008190 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:02:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 19867 invoked by uid 80); 13 Mar 2008 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:03:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: > ... at the end of > 15th century when the original triptych was made rectangular, with the > almost complete abolition of divisions between panels. and > Restored in 1995" That means at least two occasions on which parts were repainted, possibly significantly. That means things like, say, the shape of a silhouette are VERY suspect, because these things may change as someone repaints a background or redefines a figure. Although one would *hope* that a modern restorer would know the difference between a man and a woman in a formulaic scene like this, it is not inconceivable that the strangely feminine shape of the young Magus's torso is a result of the restorer's brush. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 20:53:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D0rKI4002378 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:53:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D0rFNu003966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:53:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D0qtKY088941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D0qqTQ019964; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D0qmrm019924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m2D0qlaQ007533 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:52:48 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat in England Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:52:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <47D83A48.1020303@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fca1e4b7-44d8-47b6-b9fa-6ed3eedb6ee5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47D87AFB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:53:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If the lady lives near London the answer is BOROVIC Street and Borovic Fabrics. This is in the theater district or close to it. I was there years ago (I know for a fact it is still there) and a new show was opening in a couple of months. I was behind the set and costume people. They were ordering in the 100's of yards of various fabrics. When I got served I felt strange asking for 3 yards of this gorgeous white and gold quilted brocade. The clerks didn't even blink. They also directed me towards the back where the Harris Tweed was kept (no, not what you are likely to want for a Russian coat). The storefront was about 15' wide but went all the way to the center of the block and up four floors. All filled with fabrics of every type. Most of the street, which is really an alley with delusions of grandeur - you can only walk down it during the day - is made up of shops with the same sort of merchandise. They cater to the theater, but will never pass up a pound note if it's to be had! >From a Blog on wedding dresses: "MrsHays2B, my fabric is from Borovic Fabrics (I think that's what they are called!) They are based in Berwick Street, Soho. (Just off Oxford Street) There are LOADS of fabric and silk shops on that street, also lots of accessories shops in the area too - we got the beads for my Tiara from a bead shop a couple of streets away. They are stunning! Well worth a day-trip into London, even if you are just after ideas." Evidently the Beatles (there are people on this list that still remember the Beatles, aren't there? (whimper, feeling OLD today) got the silk that most of their wildest costumes were made from there as well. Looking for Wool in England seems like coals to Newcastle, but there you are :-) Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:17 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] material for Russian coat > > > Cassandra Greer wrote: > > Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online > > fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the > > appropriate type of material even at this time of year? > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 21:10:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1Aala002757 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:10:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D1AVBA010733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:10:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D1A8f7090807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1A6wq035897; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2CC9Gl4032386 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 58522 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 12:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@69.221.174.192 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 12:09:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pt64c1oVM1nooOARecZBMM6tq_lJyZAHARJiR8_1Ek5KhsnQ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D7C7B6.5060206@pierocarey.info> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:08:22 -0400 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200803120309.m2C36al7061911@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200803120309.m2C36al7061911@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa2edbbc-2c11-4ac6-8f24-3ab63a7c4e33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D87F07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:10:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, they sure look like the 3 kings to me. They've taken off their crowns (see them either in hand or on the ground) and there are little fancy boxes that could hold frankincesne & myrhh. Now, who the lady in orange & blue is? I dunno. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 21:16:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1G18b002902 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D1Fu8o010843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D1FdVo091480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1Fd46041376; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CJcXap040945 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A39E65512A for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20080312140803.246460@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 944e60dc-4ee5-480c-b89a-8b8fcbc5c8fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47D8804C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Has she looked online? One source for starters: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.aspx?TypID=5&Viewby=Types&Pa ge=1 http://tinyurl.com/kzdc6 Sorry, I don't know of any stores in England but I vaguely remember something about a store in Edinburgh (sp?) Scot. and that there is wool fabric sold in most Scottish fabric retailers year round. This is a vague memory, possibly flawed memory or dated. De -----Original Message----- Yes it has been like years but a friend of mine needs help that only clothaholics can provide. She would like to make the following coat for a play and still actually be able to use afterwards. She lives in England and is relatively clueless about where to find winter fabrics now that it is almost spring. Could any of you knowledgeable people suggest a few online fabric stores either in the States or in Europe that would have the appropriate type of material even at this time of year?  Thanks in advance!  Cass (clothaholic and costumer on ice until the kids are in school and the hubby has a better job...)    _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 21:16:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1Gbkc002931 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D1GV6E002637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D1GJPw091534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1GIfJ042034; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2CKSwSA011934 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf4.20db9e20 (39954) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:28:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] saint/iconography question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 07cc2645-64d3-4bdc-b245-288ca68db6f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47D8806F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/11/2008 11:07:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: A larger picture helps a wee bit. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Don_Lorenzo_Monaco_001.jp g ******************** Yes it does. The only woman in this painting is Mary. And I love the Lego castle at the top right. And, oh look!...there are the shepherds being told of the event by an angel on the upper left. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 12 21:18:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1I4MH002980 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:18:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D1Hxwc014580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:18:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D1HfVt091697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D1HdVW043409; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D11xot028256 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d67.2796bcd1 (41810) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:01:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: saint/iconography question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0aebba8-0685-4e8c-bc1d-9220ac333c4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D880C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:18:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/12/2008 8:03:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, robin@netherton.net writes: > Restored in 1995" Interesting! We here, so interested in accuracy and history, may tend to forget attitudes towards paintings like this and others, in the past. The fact that we can all read and write takes away a lot of the utilitarian function such works had originally. Of course those in the past though the painting pleasant and lovely enough to restore and reshape so that it could remain useful and on view. But long past restorations hardly seem interested in accuracy or the original concepts and wishes of the artist. I don't mean this as a negative criticism, just a very interesting observation. Everyone, living in the thick of his or her time period is not responsible for future attitudes so can be cut much slack. I mean, hey, we tore down Penn. Station!...so the monks cut a door through "The Last Supper". It sometime works the other way. Remember when they were restoring the Sistine Chapel ceiling? Some art scholars were whining and decrying how removing the layers of varnish was removing subtle color effects Michelangelo had labored over. I thought: "Good grief! The ceiling's what? 40 feet in the air. It's not like you can get close to it. Why would Michelangelo paint subtle anything? As the bright colors and scene-painting techniques were revealed, it all made so much more sense than "subtle color effect". More like centuries of smoke and soot from candle and lamp lights. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 13 04:39:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D8d07J016587 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:39:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2D8cs4T026695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2D8cIXW031654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:38:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D8cCRg017453; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2D8bqaS017058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZiwc-0000fo-MI for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:37:46 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080313082653.03711400@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:37:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] material for Russian coat in England In-Reply-To: References: <47D83A48.1020303@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62f17dde-f4df-40a7-aa41-e6652bada59a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47D8E81E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:38:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:52 13/03/2008, you wrote: >If the lady lives near London the answer is BOROVIC Street and Borovic >Fabrics. This is in the theater district or close to it. The shop is called Borovick's, and it is in Berwick street. It is just off Oxford Street, not in the theatre district. I is no longer quite as big as Wanda thinks, and really doesn't have a great selection of wool. There are many specialist fabric shops in Berwick Street, one which simply sells cotton and linen fabrics, (good for Regency), and one which sells fabric for men's wear in particular, suitings, coatings and so on, called something I cannot remember at this hour of the morning. Ha, remembered - "Textile King". As I don't know what a "Russian coat" actually is, I cannot recommend specific fabric shops, but Abimelech Hainsworth http://www.abimelech.co.uk/ has the best selection of wools in England in my opinion. They are expensive, but many of them can be left with raw edges when making Regency coats for men, just as the originals were. Otherwise I suggest using my Links page for information on suppliers. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/links.php Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 13 17:51:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2DLpxe5004078 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:51:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2DLpkSr001704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2DLp7wc045367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2DLp2LR019357; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:51:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2DLowcL019180 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lilinah@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Y/JQ8Sp8AEzOBvxOuxyFQUGxVhFvoBvBqxP1h0FlnDjCPwrOCa90weTxaoqdJS+z; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.243.100.60] (helo=[4.243.100.60]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JZvK7-0001Ql-Ku for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:50:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:50:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lilinah Subject: Re: [h-cost] material for Russian coat in England Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 26084e7e73656b25d780f4a490ca6956abb457f1b4332f52c634d9dfc394a5e7f87b2a162f944375350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.243.100.60 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a3ca71e-6e80-4195-a5b5-3338c3128012 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47D9A1F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:51:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Regina wrote: >Evidently the Beatles (there are people on this list that still remember the >Beatles, aren't there? (whimper, feeling OLD today) got the silk that most >of their wildest costumes were made from there as well. Well, clearly they are not entirely forgotten :-) "American Idol" had the competitors singing Beatles' songs the other night. Of course they were in a variety of styles, none like the originals. I don't watch that show, but was switching around during commercials and heard a few minutes. I don't have cable, so the only "reality" show i actually watch is "America's Next Top Model" (it's my "guilty pleasure" confession). Every once in a while there are some interesting garments or make-up. Last night, in one segment, they were wearing garments and accessories made of raw beef for a photo shoot in the huge refrigerator of a large commercial butcher. This part of the episode wasn't about the clothing but about modelling well in taxing situations. There was also a fashion show of incredibly boring stuff by some dull designer. Lilinah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 15 16:03:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2FK3uvu007858 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:03:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2FK3mBc032314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2FK39hb076066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:03:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2FK2xlQ055634; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2FK2tgR055550 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080315200255.FRUT29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:02:55 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.31]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:02:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.31] at Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:02:54 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <009401c886d7$8e60d360$1fe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 946a2977-9c84-43dc-bf44-d4de3fd47781 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47DC2BA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear all, I am sorry for the confusion, i have joined the list again.=20 This is because i have had an order from Gammel Estrup, whom i made the = danish courtdress. They want me to make 2 renaissance costumes (late = period 1614). I am going to make these after 2 portraits, of a coupple who owned the = place back then. On monday ill make a good scan of the portraits for you to see, i am = sure that i am going to need a lot of help from you experts, its manny = years ago i made renaissance, and my knolledge about theperiod is very = limited. The female costume is as far as i can see, without any farthingale, and = quite simple, with long narrow sleaves in black, bodice black, and = overskirt black. The only collour is the underskirt wich is red and = black with gold lace on it. The collar is a standing one, with a lace in = the edge. The mans portrait is rather dark and its difficult to see clearly but i = suppose its trunkhoses doublet and a cloak with a small ruff round the = neck, both persons have white cuffs edged with lace. The female has a = coiff embroidered with pearls and edged with lace. So you are going to have me here for a while, i am looking forwards to = all the help i can get from you........... Manny greetings Bjarne in Denmark. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 15 16:13:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2FKD9kr008256 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:13:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2FKD4Hw022184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:13:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2FKChtF077905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2FKCfYX065719; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2FKCc2G065669 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E8038068 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:13:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803151613.57747.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edb000f5-b89b-49f9-b350-55e71f5fad63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47DC2DD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:13:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Saturday 15 March 2008, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dear all, > I am sorry for the confusion, i have joined the list again. > This is because i have had an order from Gammel Estrup, whom i made the > danish courtdress. They want me to make 2 renaissance costumes (late period > 1614). I am going to make these after 2 portraits, of a coupple who owned > the place back then. [snip] That's great, Bjarne! Thanks for the confidence you have in us. It's good to have you back--for whatever reason! -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 15 20:21:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2G0LAdk016393 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:21:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2G0L34X011755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:21:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2G0KcAq004923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2G0KWDo055682; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2G0KSsd055570 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:22:12 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C886FB.C76A5DE9" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA58@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262AA58@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Thread-Index: AciG1/ENeby8XyelS7SMBUQz61kQOgAI7zzW References: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2008 00:22:12.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[C785D810:01C886FB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f56ea44-68fb-4dab-8783-aac8cd532d7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47DC67EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:21:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C886FB.C76A5DE9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hooray! - Welcome back, Bjarne. I'm looking forward to seeing progress = reports. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Sat 3/15/2008 4:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Dear all, I am sorry for the confusion, i have joined the list again. This is because i have had an order from Gammel Estrup, whom i made the = danish courtdress. They want me to make 2 renaissance costumes (late = period 1614). I am going to make these after 2 portraits, of a coupple who owned the = place back then. On monday ill make a good scan of the portraits for you to see, i am = sure that i am going to need a lot of help from you experts, its manny = years ago i made renaissance, and my knolledge about theperiod is very = limited. The female costume is as far as i can see, without any farthingale, and = quite simple, with long narrow sleaves in black, bodice black, and = overskirt black. The only collour is the underskirt wich is red and = black with gold lace on it. The collar is a standing one, with a lace in = the edge. The mans portrait is rather dark and its difficult to see clearly but i = suppose its trunkhoses doublet and a cloak with a small ruff round the = neck, both persons have white cuffs edged with lace. The female has a = coiff embroidered with pearls and edged with lace. So you are going to have me here for a while, i am looking forwards to = all the help i can get from you........... Manny greetings Bjarne in Denmark. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C886FB.C76A5DE9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C886FB.C76A5DE9-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 15 23:19:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2G3Jo2B020931 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2G3JhQC016782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2G3JCCg019631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2G3J9ZC082915; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2G3J5UC082829 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 85857 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 03:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.173.100 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 03:18:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CxFpJs0VM1lYeiYVuzwch6xlMZaPRf95g1wrD4asx4ZUQ2JuIUzZbVE__ngWwFNitStl_h2x3JxyoCGQwZZ8deYflFICUa57sUmwMnrN_.uGoVrGxew6 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001b01c88714$6c085440$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:18:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ece0a3fe-7073-422c-813d-aa12fde74bc2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47DC91CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm happy to see that you will be sharing this next exciting project with us. You are such an inspiritation to the rest of us, juggling a day job with your heartoccupation! May our goodwishes energize you toward another spectacular presentation. Kathleen (still spending joy time on the wardrobe of Queen maud) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Dear all, I am sorry for the confusion, i have joined the list again. This is because i have had an order from Gammel Estrup, whom i made the danish courtdress. They want me to make 2 renaissance costumes (late period 1614). I am going to make these after 2 portraits, of a coupple who owned the place back then. On monday ill make a good scan of the portraits for you to see, i am sure that i am going to need a lot of help from you experts, its manny years ago i made renaissance, and my knolledge about theperiod is very limited. The female costume is as far as i can see, without any farthingale, and quite simple, with long narrow sleaves in black, bodice black, and overskirt black. The only collour is the underskirt wich is red and black with gold lace on it. The collar is a standing one, with a lace in the edge. The mans portrait is rather dark and its difficult to see clearly but i suppose its trunkhoses doublet and a cloak with a small ruff round the neck, both persons have white cuffs edged with lace. The female has a coiff embroidered with pearls and edged with lace. So you are going to have me here for a while, i am looking forwards to all the help i can get from you........... Manny greetings Bjarne in Denmark. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 16 14:47:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2GIlkBE001280 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:47:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2GIlfZA032613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2GIlDWh028471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2GIl59t068720; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2GIl0BY068574 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cff.29b8df96 (39329) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:46:51 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:46:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 26 membership available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2104d6f4-519b-4298-ae50-2d7487c81d1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47DD6B4D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 17 09:08:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2HD8BY7032764 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:08:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2HD82xS008593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2HD7Dcd083109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2HD77Mo064592; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2HD74CN064420 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W39 ([65.55.138.74]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:06:58 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Renaissance costume Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:06:58 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080315200255.UXLW25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2008 13:06:58.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[C884B580:01C8882F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e16dd4f-36b5-4737-98f2-9bc27d7fa68a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47DE6D32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar= 2008 21:02:52 +0100> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance costume> > Dear a= ll,> I am sorry for the confusion, i have joined the list again. > This is = because i have had an order from Gammel Estrup, whom i made the danish cour= tdress. They want me to make 2 renaissance costumes (late period 1614).> I = am going to make these after 2 portraits, of a coupple who owned the place = back then.> On monday ill make a good scan of the portraits for you to see,= i am sure that i am going to need a lot of help from you experts, its mann= y years ago i made renaissance, and my knolledge about theperiod is very li= mited.> The female costume is as far as i can see, without any farthingale,= and quite simple, with long narrow sleaves in black, bodice black, and ove= rskirt black. The only collour is the underskirt wich is red and black with= gold lace on it. The collar is a standing one, with a lace in the edge.> T= he mans portrait is rather dark and its difficult to see clearly but i supp= ose its trunkhoses doublet and a cloak with a small ruff round the neck, bo= th persons have white cuffs edged with lace. The female has a coiff embroid= ered with pearls and edged with lace.> So you are going to have me here for= a while, i am looking forwards to all the help i can get from you.........= ..> > Manny greetings> > Bjarne in Denmark. > _____________________________= __________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http:= //mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 17 17:04:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2HL4pd8019646 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:04:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2HL4hLI011907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:04:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2HL3w4u062345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2HL3nZf098216; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:03:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2HIeoSI005274 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53499 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2008 18:40:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TpyM/TN39pnJKiKnEE63hcxDH7831ugM1WiyxeZCSOlPgjVECUWuPBT1/g1FZjBrveTDiZaA1FFnLiuPIFUxch0QPrf2o4r6DhHUs7pMkIoTQVCbplG/9kxRN7r++uyHtezXwQ7nLY9F1OJCKgmFIIOO30YhP6I4qvdjdv8HCyk=; X-YMail-OSG: hKIDTJwVM1mjeNEekToKTTGcIRuQ7XJ0S8h0NEBy2NqOqSOJYAjydPU06DAKhA88WhpZlrzkAYRo0UVMFGLQ0vDdCE_rG2y3xtLYHDxwpACICT9QlCZ5Z_XBwtxVGw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:40:44 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <33651.52510.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] corset supplies manufacturers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae996207-0ad2-4198-978c-dcacd608d872 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47DEDCEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 17 21:00:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2I10tZM028937 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:00:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2I10jpE019197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:00:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2I1087a088856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2I0xnMI052005; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2I0xkYC051964 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E2A38068 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:01:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: special offers on new and forthcoming titles in Medieval Studies from DBBC Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:01:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200803172137.m2HLbjbe038856@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200803172137.m2HLbjbe038856@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803172101.13397.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e81b4d69-6f56-45dc-8442-47d3efbab8d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47DF143D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:00:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Monday 17 March 2008, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > I thought that members of this list might be interested in these new > book leaflets. And so at least some of us are... though I too get e-mails from DBBC advising me of their sales events; I wonder why I didn't get these. Anyway, thanks! -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 17 21:48:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2I1moaK030720 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:48:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2I1mfJ3024341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:48:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2I1mIOK092657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2I1mHfk089725; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2I1mDm9089574 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD78H4CAEF4SBJ for (sender ); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:47:46 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssjX0VaRUsGNx4BxUQmY964s= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NEJF6P9M; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:47:17 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20080317.184645.2836.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-9,11-35 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:4269122259 X-MAIL-INFO: 3ae060f06015e9c0bdbd15e97104a519c91049c4fdfd9d8405c5adc0006480ad4519a020516074bdd95901a069694009b51db5b0f950b0f9a5ddf9a5f04049814dd111208154b1f4118954c5314554393ded09410979a4a570f909dd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: lherr@rightwaybusiness.com, cameronfamily3@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] DBBC; neat info on fabric stabilizers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 358ef5c6-2492-4f14-a460-3a9f3a5d42b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47DF1F79.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Check it out: http://www.emlibrary.com/EL/elprojects/holder.aspx?page=PR1153 Arlys On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:01:13 -0400 Catherine Olanich Raymond writes: > On Monday 17 March 2008, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > > > > I thought that members of this list might be interested in these > new > > book leaflets. > > And so at least some of us are... though I too get e-mails from DBBC > advising > me of their sales events; I wonder why I didn't get these. > > Anyway, thanks! > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 08:02:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IC29Lp008358 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:02:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IC1hQ0011284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:02:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IC1Cw9036541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IC17AO050690; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:01:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IC13Mi050605 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080318120101.QPAT29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:01:01 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080318120101.WWMB17139.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <20080318120101.WWMB17139.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:00:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.232] at Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:01:01 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c888ef$bb2f4e20$e843a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d189f81-6b3a-475c-bbb3-ab10dc0f1b57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47DFAF27.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, Thankyou all for the nice welcome back to the list. You are all very = kind. I feel that here on this list, i have manny renaissance experts so = this is why i joined again to get help with the costumes i am going to = make. I have some questions for you, but i dont have time right now, ill have = to get back later today, but i have uploaded the pictures of the = portraits here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm The pictures are in a very poor condition, its not due to a bad = photograph, but because the portraits simply needs a restauration. As i = cant go to the museum right now (its in the other side of the country) i = have to stick to these photos from a book. I am looking forwards to any comments on this, and i thank you all in = advance for your gennerous help. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 09:36:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IDaPk7012108 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:36:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IDaAPu030621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:36:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IDZf1j045350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IDZE1u037003; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2IDZAPM036854 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59633 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2008 13:35:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PB8v8Yex7GtPdlIhPdX+3hJVcy44UMQaNVzGltWLnVxXpuZ+d7cfIxXeXHjpnfy48jxR+8N/ostzcmWlZyRLbIEV2NUBsD5iI1OLwl1UP4dbVWOrRW2SNnPjosvm5khLnZR1Mc/bV0Vw/Pztc75TXfG/qeViQLZDacLTMxOuDG4=; X-YMail-OSG: ab1ei3UVM1nW5gw.azmyE1mb5YFeDjoBBCYltYDZm3szzGqlAG3boZSNz27IbkCpFhslEkVH2U8SmRMXaVStx0ATWgsE09I6Cv24vmaCa_C3JuUBvLzfhEmWmX_CDQ-- Received: from [131.165.161.237] by web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:35:03 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080318120101.WWMB17139.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <652468.55884.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95d1de17-b2f6-4593-813a-1a4d6619f5c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47DFC54A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:36:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Bjarne If you need a live model to put the dress on, I volounteer ;-) Tania (Denmark) Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: Hello, Thankyou all for the nice welcome back to the list. You are all very kind. I feel that here on this list, i have manny renaissance experts so this is why i joined again to get help with the costumes i am going to make. I have some questions for you, but i dont have time right now, ill have to get back later today, but i have uploaded the pictures of the portraits here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm The pictures are in a very poor condition, its not due to a bad photograph, but because the portraits simply needs a restauration. As i cant go to the museum right now (its in the other side of the country) i have to stick to these photos from a book. I am looking forwards to any comments on this, and i thank you all in advance for your gennerous help. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 13:10:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IHARMe022690 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:10:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IHAKex031443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:10:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IH8KQF076447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IH5xNE005137; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2IH5cl7004490 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17299 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2008 17:05:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0/kf1sX+2S0wZO++NTYBV0n5Md99roFjrS9OM+Ll/f1WY1e+lQe2AOZTVEGeWpHn4yUgonMjU0/MLlPA3AXKAyy+PCRHw2joGprOlvgtgkVmdA+EmCZb9qeUx8V2UBW2FZ0HUHCBeMcMBUxoE2P81xMOfx4d6AdagjtAyjRHHOA=; X-YMail-OSG: lmy5D1AVM1n06ne7McwOtMHKWElZZK9gC6CWvGzItlxcYA2UjqfYFvYJQpLkcyLiofNIWsEs7RCzbQ1ylIWb_kofO6UaURaIcW9vCHRrP11YfzhL986XkBysWwzKTQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:05:09 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset supplies manufacturers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0803171610m500a4332oca9f109014b14e5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <812644.14761.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 9ec51856-d25b-4143-a813-a88bd31613f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47DFF77C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:10:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for all the help, but I already know all companies like this, I must say that these two mentioned really are wonderful. Nevertheless, this is not what I am looking for, I probably didn't express myself very clearly...:-) I would like to find the companies that manufacture all these things, that means, I'd like to find a place where all these retail stores take their goods from. A quite hard-to-find information, I admit, that no one wants to tell you. Many of the bones etc. are made somewhere in Germany, but God knows where. I've only found this company, which I regard to be quite a success: www.luettges.com But they make just steel bones and spiral steel (but the spiral is quite expensive), and plastic bones - these not useful rigilene things. But the bones look quite good (about 0,6 euro/m - 8mm bones). I know busks and maybe spiral steel must be made somewhere else in Germany. And the goods from VenaCava are maybe from America, but I am not sure. I think that if you want to go into some business in costume making, it really is good to take all the things most directly as possible. But it might be also useful for anybody who makes costumes, as making a hoop skirt requires quite a lot of boning and the pice differences are very important. Thanks if you can find anything, Zuzana P.S.: If someone's interested in the company I mentioned, I can send you some prices and minimum orders they told me, just for information:-) --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 14:15:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IIF0RB025398 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:15:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IIEkTd016435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:14:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IIDshI086347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IICsUU093613; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX183qDv01V/vSMoHc218I+tGIEAvp6F09oI@mail6.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IICbCA093171 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:12:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2IICYtF000845 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:12:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 19390 invoked by uid 80); 18 Mar 2008 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 18 Mar 2008 18:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:12:33 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Armor question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c677bd40-5f25-45d1-92d8-db51d58dfd86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E00696.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This question relates to a costume issue I'm working on, but it's out of my own field. I am working with a document from England, c. 1400, that describes a brooch, worn on the chest, as being as wide as the boss of a buckler. There is no additional detail. I need to know what that would mean to the medieval reader. So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the round metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) from c. 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I know that shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather than just look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel better consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a broader sense of the available evidence. Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work (period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an expert who has studied these well enough to be considered an authority (e.g. not just "this is what works for me when I make them" or "my Laurel says..."). If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list or board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this query along. I will gladly take answers either by private e-mail or to this list. Thanks, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 14:44:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IIi7uW027001 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IIhwsp020870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IIhJ9o090365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IIgePL028597; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2IIXEfv019144 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200803181833.m2IIXEfv019144@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2008 18:32:45 -0000 Received: from p548E676F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.103.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 19:32:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19z5tNT0FZzxtk/SlOL3ViAh2crr2pcAfmvSH9Mh0 HpQBetAP9yoniY X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:32:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset supplies manufacturers In-Reply-To: <812644.14761.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8296995c0803171610m500a4332oca9f109014b14e5@mail.gmail.com> <812644.14761.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 34c402ee-a9e6-4af3-8ad5-4cfb39176768 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E00D6E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Zuzana, it seems like Streifeneder builds all kinds of prothesis - so they might make the other things as well: www.streifeneder.de Wissner sells all kinds of Lingerie-notions and has the largest selection of all kinds of boning and busks. www.wissner.de Thaemert seems to be famous for breast-protheses, but he also sells spiral and spring steel. www.thaemert.de Best wishes, Hanna At 18:05 18.03.2008, you wrote: >Thanks for all the help, but I already know all companies like this, >I must say that these two mentioned really are wonderful. >Nevertheless, this is not what I am looking for, I probably didn't >express myself very clearly...:-) I would like to find the companies >that manufacture all these things, that means, I'd like to find a >place where all these retail stores take their goods from. A quite >hard-to-find information, I admit, that no one wants to tell you. >Many of the bones etc. are made somewhere in Germany, but God knows >where. I've only found this company, which I regard to be quite a success: > >www.luettges.com > >But they make just steel bones and spiral steel (but the spiral is >quite expensive), and plastic bones - these not useful rigilene >things. But the bones look quite good (about 0,6 euro/m - 8mm bones). > >I know busks and maybe spiral steel must be made somewhere else in >Germany. And the goods from VenaCava are maybe from America, but I >am not sure. > >I think that if you want to go into some business in costume making, >it really is good to take all the things most directly as possible. >But it might be also useful for anybody who makes costumes, as >making a hoop skirt requires quite a lot of boning and the pice >differences are very important. > >Thanks if you can find anything, > >Zuzana > >P.S.: If someone's interested in the company I mentioned, I can send >you some prices and minimum orders they told me, just for information:-) > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 16:01:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IK1E30031672 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IK18ip029276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:01:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IK040a001178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IJwN95028085; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IJvi52026984 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080318195728.TZFY3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:57:28 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:57:28 +0100 Message-ID: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:57:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.232] at Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:57:27 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000c01c88932$4a49f4b0$e843a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9fc02a6-c505-4215-81df-bebfe5cdc0bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E01F84.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:01:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br2.htm I see that the coif is not edged with lace, is it a linnen coif she has = under the black pearl embroidered coif, wich shows in the front? Would this dress have the bodice sewed on to the skirt? Or is it = seperate? Would the neck cut of the bodice be the same as the white collar? So = that the white collar is resting on a black collar wich belongs to the = bodice? Do you think the bodice has epaulettes on the armscyes? How is the bodice closed in the front, should i make black fabric = covered buttons? Does the sleaves also have buttons at the wrist? I am not going to make the costume compleately with original underwear, = only just make the costume, so that it looks like the portrait. Do you think i need to make a corset to get the right shape?=20 Is it enough support for the skirts just to make a small bumroll? These are my first questions for you, the male costume is comming later, = they want me to start with the female costume. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 16:10:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKAP9R000391 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IKAEdU003697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IK9l9H002829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IK8sXV042982; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IK8LNE042278 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080318200816.YTFJ18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:08:16 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080318200816.XGZI17139.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:08:16 +0100 Message-ID: <20080318200816.XGZI17139.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080318171756.LRQI11715.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset supplies manufacturers Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:08:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.232] at Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:08:15 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c88933$cc9bd040$e843a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98abc506-98d9-49c0-ad98-854b1361a652 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E021A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The german company you would like to know would be Wiessner. http://www.wissner.de/ I use their plastic bones, and they are very nice for corsets. I mostly make 18th century stays. Their minimum order is 200 meter. A very happy costumer Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 16:22:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKM1BF001226 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:22:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IKLopk027974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:21:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IKL4uO004748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKJbwL057078; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKJ0ck056082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JbhXE-0006P5-PO for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:31:45 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080318192820.0373d380@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:31:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question In-Reply-To: <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0081da4b-8c26-4f8f-b184-a22c390f9462 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E0245E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:12 18/03/2008, you wrote: >This question relates to a costume issue I'm working on, but it's >out of my own field. > >I am working with a document from England, c. 1400, that describes a >brooch, worn on the chest, as being as wide as the boss of a >buckler. There is no additional detail. I need to know what that >would mean to the medieval reader. > >So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the >round metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) >from c. 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I >know that shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather >than just look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel >better consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a >broader sense of the available evidence. > >Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work >(period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an >expert who has studied these well enough to be considered an >authority (e.g. not just "this is what works for me when I make >them" or "my Laurel says..."). > >If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list >or board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on >period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this >query along. I will gladly take answers either by private e-mail or >to this list. http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/index.php?sid=015d50138313ab0602c50d078cae20b3 Introduce yourself, i.e. , join, log in, and then ask your question. You will get a lot of answers, hopefully not to silly - the forum does not always take itself or its members seriously. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 16:34:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKYllH001857 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:34:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IKYfda020925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:34:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IKYGP1006930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKXTiR075257; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKX8v7074628 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W41 ([65.55.138.76]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:32:59 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2008 20:32:59.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[41BDBF20:01C88937] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: e9dc23e7-c9b3-405b-840e-c43290b16b17 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E02761.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne, because we can't see the details you can see it is hard to answer s= ome of these questions. Have you found any other examples of similar costu= mes? =20 The men's seems pretty straight forward Late or Post Elizabethan - I have s= een lots of pictures similar. But the woman's is rather unique ..... that would be the one where more exa= mples will be helpful. =20 I will poke around on Bildindex to see if I can find anything else.... =20 Sg > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar= 2008 20:57:24 +0100> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes> = > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br2.htm> > I see that the coif is not edge= d with lace, is it a linnen coif she has under the black pearl embroidered = coif, wich shows in the front?> Would this dress have the bodice sewed on t= o the skirt? Or is it seperate?> Would the neck cut of the bodice be the sa= me as the white collar? So that the white collar is resting on a black coll= ar wich belongs to the bodice?> Do you think the bodice has epaulettes on t= he armscyes?> How is the bodice closed in the front, should i make black fa= bric covered buttons?> Does the sleaves also have buttons at the wrist?> I = am not going to make the costume compleately with original underwear, only = just make the costume, so that it looks like the portrait.> Do you think i = need to make a corset to get the right shape? > Is it enough support for th= e skirts just to make a small bumroll?> > These are my first questions for = you, the male costume is comming later, they want me to start with the fema= le costume.> > Bjarne > _______________________________________________> h-= costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailm= an/listinfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 16:51:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKpdCh002544 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:51:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IKpVDp021309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:51:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IKoGjV009455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKoCpD097313; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKo5pL097009 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d0f.23f011c3 (30738) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:49:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c182a1b7-aa8d-4c78-b206-73d1cd8f0539 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E02B53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:51:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin, I forwarded your message to my husband (Jeb/Donal) who is on the Armor Archive list. Someone there is sure to have information that could help you. Catherine In a message dated 3/18/2008 2:17:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@netherton.net writes: If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list or board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this query along. 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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 17:01:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IL1cDQ002987 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IL1V5m014333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IL0uW8010740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IL0SWt009090; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.america.net (qsmtp4.america.net [69.60.160.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IKxAo3007413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200803182059.m2IKxAo3007413@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp4.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JbitZ-00028R-V3 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:58:54 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:58:51 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question In-Reply-To: <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71bbc504-cf51-446d-95ec-40087ff9c35f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E02DAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:12 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the >round metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) >from c. 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I >know that shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather >than just look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel >better consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a >broader sense of the available evidence. > >Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work >(period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an >expert who has studied these well enough to be considered an >authority (e.g. not just "this is what works for me when I make >them" or "my Laurel says..."). I have no proof, but from the pictures I've seen, and the shield boss I use, I would say it's just larger than the man's fist with a gauntlet on. Sorry, not very definite, but you don't want one bigger because the shield slips around too much. Good luck Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 17:32:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2ILWCw9003958 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:32:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2ILW2u7007652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:32:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2ILVM3N015267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2ILVJmK047948; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2ILVEio047716 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Z84G0vJYdwzM7kgnfACIFToZHvpLld9788wQqPe6ZNwmWn+ClF65VOfFaz/DRN1D; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.140.242] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1JbjOn-00005O-03 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <47E034A7.3080105@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:31:19 -0400 From: Frau Anna Bleucher User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2008022014) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 9eb1bae7e4e7fc8d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e2888b6c9914af9a427872c8169c88a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.140.242 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb49576a-520b-4e54-985a-de920c77369f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E034D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:32:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin, I can't provide measurements, but I can point you to a document on-line with graphic representation of a buckler "Anonymous Fechtbuch: Manuscript I.33" 13th century German Sword & Buckler Manual. Here is the link. http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/i33/i33.htm Based on this artwork, the buckler varied in size quite a bit, so I'm not sure you'll get a definitive answer. Connie Robin Netherton wrote: > This question relates to a costume issue I'm working on, but it's out > of my own field. > > I am working with a document from England, c. 1400, that describes a > brooch, worn on the chest, as being as wide as the boss of a buckler. > There is no additional detail. I need to know what that would mean to > the medieval reader. > > So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the round > metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) from c. > 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I know that > shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather than just > look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel better > consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a broader > sense of the available evidence. > > Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work > (period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an expert > who has studied these well enough to be considered an authority (e.g. > not just "this is what works for me when I make them" or "my Laurel > says..."). > > If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list or > board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on > period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this query > along. I will gladly take answers either by private e-mail or to this > list. > > Thanks, > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 18:09:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IM9lWi007603 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:09:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IM9bh3009566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:09:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IM92MT019992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IM8rjW090482; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IM8ffj090192 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so107986pyc.4 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kSikkLdv0jwaTnAatVu3im4js7T5QqomR/wYeHGojvE=; b=NjO1C5Vtwv4Dcjm/npYFdTqyBWorSyWKhfplw1rZlmm3cJOUvdIrRU0wxEI50DDlsbmoef4kq2zFuXKwsvgxJTXYgA500ia0RKDYFbtxfmOEybGNwPZ1JBiUO61kBPA/Q3AJG1RC/dV8vcUGItaxbdNuOCvfXwTUun5IsBjlmaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cTjRjtBn/YOWKdD6V15UfmvCC/lNd4sqeK/Ng2arAAMOmN2xVasYFdBcX4mAY1U6cEFi540RbJl9Dho/+Dvb7TmkBgSs/F2eij0vbgYA4gF1E8L0s///vJ+cGi0ilHP4JZR0kgE2gnbbsXUX9COYHIavLr4BAym5kiYwJdeZN3I= Received: by 10.35.40.10 with SMTP id s10mr2070738pyj.42.1205877707449; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.26.2 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:47 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes In-Reply-To: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7eddaee-2fc7-42f9-9ace-bc2143b821ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E03DA1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:09:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My two cents... I would guess linen coif under the decorated one. I believe it was typical to do so. I think this is a separate skirt and bodice. There is just a hint of the tabs at the bottom of the bodice that usually indicates separates (sleeves or skirts), which is reinforced by the way the skirt opens to show the underskirt. The neck line/collar reminds me of some late Elizabethan open bodice/doublet styles that I've seen in QEWU. I'll look again tonight to see if I can pull examples. I think I can see little tabs/epaulettes at the armscyes. They don't look like much more than a inch or two of a wide ribbon folded in half and sewn done... at least that's how I've gotten that look before. I don't know that I've seen buttons on a woman's bodice. It always seems to be lacing in the back opening or hook and eyes set into the seams for a front opening. If there were a separate bodice it could go either way, but with the way the top opens I'd make it front opening. I haven't seen buttons at the sleeves cuff, during this period. If this is going to be worn by a manikin than I would either make the corset for the shaping, or bone the bodice so it holds the shape. I know that my gowns that I put on a modern manikin or sewing form, don't look right without the corset. if the skirt is heavy enough the bum roll may be enough since these skirts don't spread really wide. alex for what it's worth... On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br2.htm > > I see that the coif is not edged with lace, is it a linnen coif she has under the black pearl embroidered coif, wich shows in the front? > Would this dress have the bodice sewed on to the skirt? Or is it seperate? > Would the neck cut of the bodice be the same as the white collar? So that the white collar is resting on a black collar wich belongs to the bodice? > Do you think the bodice has epaulettes on the armscyes? > How is the bodice closed in the front, should i make black fabric covered buttons? > Does the sleaves also have buttons at the wrist? > I am not going to make the costume compleately with original underwear, only just make the costume, so that it looks like the portrait. > Do you think i need to make a corset to get the right shape? > Is it enough support for the skirts just to make a small bumroll? > > These are my first questions for you, the male costume is comming later, they want me to start with the female costume. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 18:58:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IMwm9U010589 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:58:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2IMweEe016755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2IMw4eG026383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IMvsSA043407; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2IMvmvi043211 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cd6.2836db8d (42807) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:57:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:57:33 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Re: Corset Supplies: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1b9bd1c-86dc-4b6c-9199-720d0fc08bd6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E04920.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:58:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Most retailers and wholesalers I'm aware of get their corset supplies from a manufacturing company in Germany - they have a website that I have bookmarked, but obviously (cos I'm looking for it) I can't find it right now. May come up on a web search though. Other than that the retailers I'd recommend are Farthingales in Canada and Vena Cava Designs in the UK. Debbie In a message dated 18/03/2008 18:03:02 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hi, do any one of you know any corset supplies (busks, bones etc.) manufacturers, in America or Europe? I was wondering about buying the corset components directly from the manufacturer, but as I am just a beginner in the fashion industry, I don't really know where to search. Thanks for any help, Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 20:17:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J0H25U014961 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:17:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J0GoIk025104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J0Fw1n034830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J0FsX5014541; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J0FpZA014422 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3b.2f0c2fda (33856) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:15:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: corset supplies manufacturers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e81b736e-34df-4b75-a43a-026060870e7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E05B72.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/18/2008 1:03:45 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:10:56 -0700 > From: "Lynn Downward" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset supplies manufacturers > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <8296995c0803171610m500a4332oca9f109014b14e5@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Farthingale in Canada and in Los Angeles, CA sell all the metal used for > costuming from bones to busks to hoop wire. She carries a million things you > didn't even know you wanted. In the US, reach her at > http://www.farthingalesla.com/ Lisa's stuff rocks, in my opinion. I have meet her at many Costume-Cons and she is easy to work with. Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 20:25:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J0PjRT015365 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:25:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J0PdJQ005060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:25:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J0PGF2036225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J0PFbP023029; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J0PClQ022914 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W51 ([65.55.138.86]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:25:07 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2008 00:25:06.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEE32160:01C88957] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9304a687-77fa-4b27-911f-f787c4ca0013 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E05D83.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:25:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I agree with Alex, definitely a corset if on a human, if on an appropriate = manikin, just boning. What kind of manikin will you use? Our fashion depar= tment at Phoenix art Museum has all these expensive Kyoto dummies, but none= with any proper shape probably prior to the late 17 hundreds. =20 =20 I didn't realize until now that the skirt does stand away from the waist so= mewhat. At first glance it looked like it was hanging straight down, almos= t like a closely fitting "loose gown." I think I see the skirt away from t= he bodice now....Yes definitely a "French Farthingale," easy to make. No = drum etc. =20 The head piece. Does the lace stick straight up without apparent support, = or is there another piece in black (sort of like the Anne of Cleves headdre= ss) behind it that I can't see? =20 Sg =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:47 -0500> From: garbaholic@gmail.com> To: h-= costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes> CC: >= > My two cents...> I would guess linen coif under the decorated one. I bel= ieve it was> typical to do so.> I think this is a separate skirt and bodice= . There is just a hint of> the tabs at the bottom of the bodice that usuall= y indicates separates> (sleeves or skirts), which is reinforced by the way = the skirt opens to> show the underskirt.> The neck line/collar reminds me o= f some late Elizabethan open> bodice/doublet styles that I've seen in QEWU.= I'll look again tonight> to see if I can pull examples.> I think I can see= little tabs/epaulettes at the armscyes. They don't> look like much more th= an a inch or two of a wide ribbon folded in half> and sewn done... at least= that's how I've gotten that look before.> I don't know that I've seen butt= ons on a woman's bodice. It always> seems to be lacing in the back opening = or hook and eyes set into the> seams for a front opening. If there were a s= eparate bodice it could> go either way, but with the way the top opens I'd = make it front> opening.> I haven't seen buttons at the sleeves cuff, during= this period.> If this is going to be worn by a manikin than I would either= make the> corset for the shaping, or bone the bodice so it holds the shape= . I> know that my gowns that I put on a modern manikin or sewing form,> don= 't look right without the corset.> if the skirt is heavy enough the bum rol= l may be enough since these> skirts don't spread really wide.> > alex> for = what it's worth...> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews= > wrote:> > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br2.ht= m> >> > I see that the coif is not edged with lace, is it a linnen coif she= has under the black pearl embroidered coif, wich shows in the front?> > Wo= uld this dress have the bodice sewed on to the skirt? Or is it seperate?> >= Would the neck cut of the bodice be the same as the white collar? So that = the white collar is resting on a black collar wich belongs to the bodice?> = > Do you think the bodice has epaulettes on the armscyes?> > How is the bod= ice closed in the front, should i make black fabric covered buttons?> > Doe= s the sleaves also have buttons at the wrist?> > I am not going to make the= costume compleately with original underwear, only just make the costume, s= o that it looks like the portrait.> > Do you think i need to make a corset = to get the right shape?> > Is it enough support for the skirts just to make= a small bumroll?> >> > These are my first questions for you, the male cost= ume is comming later, they want me to start with the female costume.> >> > = Bjarne> > _______________________________________________> >> > > -- > "I'm= buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you> know, havin= g to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood,> injury, mosquito= infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's> Friday..." ;)> _________= ______________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@m= ail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 22:47:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J2lfUV021956 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:47:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J2lZGC006206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J2l2mO049146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J2kxS7039694; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n24.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n24.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2J2ktEd039592 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.180] by n24.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2008 02:46:50 -0000 Received: from [87.248.111.151] by t6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2008 02:46:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2008 02:46:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 530522.13926.bm@omp208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5921 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 22:50:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jvhIWs1qA1VdNe8/cy1YuSmBCsiQJoOqaFheT4cYz5DNhEQY/16oSEzvLfSRkPcUMXGKB4WSDshFcZPJwDBKcgX8r+s5d4uAhS9zTWKUXsFFJSH/HjrwlB6Exf7kfuMhno5f/6NluL0MxOQYcXaaTGbn7BkDVeb3Ju574koTFiQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:47:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > This question relates to a costume issue I'm working on, but it's out > of my own field. > > I am working with a document from England, c. 1400, that describes a > brooch, worn on the chest, as being as wide as the boss of a buckler. > There is no additional detail. I need to know what that would mean to > the medieval reader. > > So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the round > metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) from c. > 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I know that > shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather than just > look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel better > consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a broader > sense of the available evidence. > > Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work > (period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an expert > who has studied these well enough to be considered an authority (e.g. > not just "this is what works for me when I make them" or "my Laurel > says..."). > > If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list or > board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on > period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this query > along. I will gladly take answers either by private e-mail or to this > list. > > Thanks, > > Robin > I'd second all the answers you've had - ask on LivingHistory, look at the Fechtbuch and other fighting manuals. The key thing is that a buckler is more like a piece of armour for the hand than a body-covering shield, the idea is that you move it around and block (and sometimes punch) with it. The boss is the domed part that covers your knuckles, so fist-sized is the general idea. Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 23:22:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3MthP023294 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:22:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J3MjJY022557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:22:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J3M3Xf052676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3M1Hb066031; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3LwPn065991 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E25A3D7B9 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:21:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa963233-f51e-4163-b7f9-5c6af0afa6a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E08706.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:22:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is 1562 http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/margaret_audley.JPG Duchess of Norfolk Middle class English women http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/fourladies.JPG Various portraits 1598 - 1616 http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Various_9.htm The woman's outfit looks to be within this range http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Various_5.htm which is 1563-1572 but most of these are English. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 23:40:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3ef4T023823 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:40:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J3eXs8032440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:40:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J3eEPD054215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3eEjK079289; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3eBY3079212 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=SuEal5G7M7hdfMGJOF7Wz+EYX49c/bjtcI/9CWqeYaUsVplVJ9dbOGZzkLGnweoc; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Jbp9p-0001zK-Qj for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:40:06 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:41:54 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53f33d9320559beb67b1fbb6d8f2b7236ae5c61cfd62608284350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 129302b2-85de-43e0-9b2d-0455552d243b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E08B31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:40:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, all - I'm making a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, at least, relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's pattern...). (It will also have wings, but that's part of the fantasy ). I want a large standing collar rather than a ruff, similar to the picture here: Or: http://tinyurl.com/2yduje The problem is, I have no idea how to make one, or how it attaches to the costume. Can someone please point me to a book or website that might give me some clues? I need to finish this by tax day (Apr. 15 for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress is giving me fits also. Many thanks in advance. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 18 23:49:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3ntDW024126 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:49:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J3nlM6004154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J3iO7n054609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3iNFa082321; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J3iLF6082286 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l65so176814hsc.15 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=L4C4zUs2V3lXoYtxgR9WFuPD+VU8IcsDetQcZS9mxE4=; b=NmCJO7Z4XlXag52EsqONOp0dY1Q15m4ps2PdO9MVLjr2hHb89oyOv08MTRs83TrMYT7aIcS7/cDvcreN5gXHxUrKVNMGNgT9vD3Rc6qevuTGAJX5jPHT+z4kA4GfdcTboRKtID/Gz/IZuLbWNa1a9Hs9jlEIan1K74ZfOnSwBfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=MDZfJYjdY2kHVRDysB7tMOnzRiX7WJKi2tUh23DoCxBJv1WpaXHb7bI75tgeaaRBuO5HmnR7g1qEHukOxrPypXP9Orjeo1BoxKQagHYPWA1QSN4TF4/RhZGJu89BYkyiezvOziUO5xpGgw1oSpbONdvUdBvvYnFLibihmBmUAgw= Received: by 10.100.251.18 with SMTP id y18mr447439anh.88.1205898261042; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i51sm997614rne.7.2008.03.18.20.44.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Armor question Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:44:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AciJJH4/O7P6jsB6TaSFZoxCaW+GFQATZGLA Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47e08c14.33a0260a.021a.ffff84a5@mx.google.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 869b76e6-8e13-4d46-9005-bee9045db3b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E08D5B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:49:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.hadesign.co.uk/SRS/html/buckler.htm A boss is two things. It is a metallic center to a shield and a shield alone. If you can get a copy of Di Grassi's Giacomo DiGrass you may find the citation you are looking for. However, the url above has several quotes from this book and other that roughly describes the size of a boss in the period you are describing. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Armor question This question relates to a costume issue I'm working on, but it's out of my own field. I am working with a document from England, c. 1400, that describes a brooch, worn on the chest, as being as wide as the boss of a buckler. There is no additional detail. I need to know what that would mean to the medieval reader. So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the round metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) from c. 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I know that shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather than just look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel better consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a broader sense of the available evidence. Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work (period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an expert who has studied these well enough to be considered an authority (e.g. not just "this is what works for me when I make them" or "my Laurel says..."). If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list or board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this query along. I will gladly take answers either by private e-mail or to this list. Thanks, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 01:32:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J5W43H027301 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:32:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J5Vv0T012632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:32:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J5UG8s061405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J5UDSm055468; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19MwcdI6FC2faoCdo39bkFIxY2ukThoYJo@mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J5UAvI055435 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2J5U9wA009106 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:30:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 21039 invoked by uid 80); 19 Mar 2008 05:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2008 05:30:09 -0000 Message-ID: <47E0A4E0.1020807@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:30:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E00611.6020303@netherton.net> <47E04729.20203@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47E04729.20203@yahoo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e243ec2-6c13-4acd-9c0f-178f99845f22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E0A54D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:32:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks to all who responded! One listmember sent me a catalog entry from the Museum of Lond, of an extant buckler from the right period. Another posted the request to an armorer's forum and got back two more extant examples. Problem solved. This is a great list! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 03:33:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J7Xp7k023279 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:33:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J7XhlF019515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:33:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J7XCUK069702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J7X6be039705; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J7X3Sf039505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182] helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jbsn6-0001l3-Rv for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:32:53 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080319072853.037aeab0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:32:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fccb5446-1830-4fc5-a469-0562ab8cad71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E0C1D7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:33:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 03:41 19/03/2008, you wrote: >Hello, all - > >I'm making a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, >at least, relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's >pattern...). (It will also have wings, but that's part of the >fantasy ). I want a large standing collar rather than a ruff, >similar to the picture here: > > > >Or: >http://tinyurl.com/2yduje > >The problem is, I have no idea how to make one, or how it attaches >to the costume. Can someone please point me to a book or website >that might give me some clues? I need to finish this by tax day >(Apr. 15 for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress is giving >me fits also. You could try googling for "Supportasse", or you could look in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett, where you will find instructions for the one worn by Glenda Jackson in "Elizabeth R.". Or you could try "The Tudor Tailor" by Ninya Mikhaila and Jane something-Davies (?) ( - sorry - not enough cups of tea!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 03:52:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J7qOAx024333 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2J7qJ77013880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2J7psh3070977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J7prgU051476; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2J7poZ1051395 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A8A428EBA for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:51:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47E0C64B.205@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:52:43 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13a07b70-80f8-4fc7-880a-5b953f0609a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E0C633.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:52:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I hope this will help http://www.farthingales.on.ca/elizabethan_wired_ruff.html Deredere Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Hello, all - > > I'm making a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, > at least, relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's > pattern...). (It will also have wings, but that's part of the fantasy > ). I want a large standing collar rather than a ruff, similar to > the picture here: > > > > Or: > http://tinyurl.com/2yduje > > The problem is, I have no idea how to make one, or how it attaches to > the costume. Can someone please point me to a book or website that > might give me some clues? I need to finish this by tax day (Apr. 15 > for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress is giving me fits also. > > Many thanks in advance. > Sandy > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 11:07:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JF7CsS008862 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:07:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JF6x1O027727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:07:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JF69TF024127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JF62Xh041588; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JF5s0e041328 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W24 ([65.55.138.59]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:05:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing collar Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:05:48 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080319072853.037aeab0@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080319072853.037aeab0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2008 15:05:48.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6EBE6F0:01C889D2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39075678-0a90-4e3e-ab15-f67061194658 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E12C13.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:07:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A lot of it depends on the style of dress. I made one for the Suitable Gow= n for Her Majesty presentation that worked great. It just slide into the f= ront of the rolls created by the outer gown "lapels." I will look for a pi= cture and post it. My websites are just fubar right now and probably will = be for awhile. =20 Can you show us a picture of the dress you are making? =20 Sg =20 P.S. I am assuming also that you realize there are two collars/ruffs there= right? > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:32:47 +0000> To: h-costume@indra.com> From: suz= i@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] need advice on making a standing = collar> CC: > > At 03:41 19/03/2008, you wrote:> >Hello, all -> >> >I'm mak= ing a fantasy QE1 costume, but trying to make the silhouette, > >at least, = relatively accurate to period (I started with Margo's > >pattern...). (It w= ill also have wings, but that's part of the > >fantasy ). I want a large= standing collar rather than a ruff, > >similar to the picture here:> >> ><= http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/img/castandcrew/506x316_helen.jpg>> >> >= Or:> >http://tinyurl.com/2yduje> >> >The problem is, I have no idea how to = make one, or how it attaches > >to the costume. Can someone please point me= to a book or website > >that might give me some clues? I need to finish th= is by tax day > >(Apr. 15 for non-U.S. members) and the rest of the dress i= s giving > >me fits also.> > > You could try googling for "Supportasse", or= you could look in > "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jea= n Hunnisett, > where you will find instructions for the one worn by Glenda = Jackson > in "Elizabeth R.". Or you could try "The Tudor Tailor" by Ninya >= Mikhaila and Jane something-Davies (?) ( - sorry - not enough cups of tea!= )> > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________> h-costume = mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listi= nfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 13:37:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JHb3MA011688 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:37:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JHavIl006144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:37:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JHZfFc047391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JHZVuJ029693; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JHZRqi029493 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W26 ([65.55.138.61]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:35:21 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2008 17:35:21.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B092E60:01C889E7] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d1ee153-bccf-4e40-b8ce-0b96729ad151 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E14F39.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this s= kirt and thought it was a great idea. I think I had seen a variation on th= is a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but thi= s is the first time I've seen it in a catalogue. =20 =20 http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=3DP8276+S =20 Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flounc= y mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably perma= nently sewn in. =20 Great idea for keeping your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using= it for my less than historically accurate stuff with the SCA. Sg =20 As one of my favorite historians said: =20 "If you thought of it, they probably did too."= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 14:01:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JI1Kbp012103 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:01:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JI1EPe023431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:01:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JHx9DO051360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JHx6jg059610; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2JHx3vp059532 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:59:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200803191759.m2JHx3vp059532@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17263 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 10:59:00 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16646, pid: 17254, t: 0.5338s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HS_INDEX_PARAM, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=esVq1Ab-USsA:10 a=uDb4aMAuAAAA:8 a=2cCZCdiGXMmuGuTKebcA:9 a=XOlQN0fi_YLvQSl63_0A:7 a=b-QGy-kFYyYoPRIYMUg8PxbpdhEA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=kMKvJDVgyWoA:10 a=oltX7JrCFroA:10 a=wU2VZOKoZFaoRdDlwmMA:9 a=lSwPjALhrkg76gaSW-UA:7 a=GxsnmKvOsnC5-y30krLqiPCG_CEA:4 a=pkiKVj76OLYA:10 a=MkieC0s4yfcA:10 a=IqZwtFL9RWAA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 10:59:00 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:56:31 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric weights! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21a58af3-0ccf-4c97-a721-21241814e65a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E154EA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A sale on linen in three weights. I thought that list members would like to have the opportunity to order. Joan (who already has a linen stash 8-)) >To: "Joan" >From: "Fabrics-Store.com Chronicle" >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:11:12 -0400 >Subject: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric weights! > >Dear Joan, > >Winter is almost officially over and to celebrate the Spring Equinox >- we are having an enormous sale! > >We are taking all the basic fabric weights: >Light weight 3.5 ounces/yard 100% linen >Medium weight 5.3 ounces/yard 100% linen >Heavy weight 7.1 ounces/yard 100% linen > >We are including the utmost necessary fabrics : >Bleached >Bleached Softened >Natural >Natural Softened > >We are cutting them down to easy to order 20 yard bolts and >discounting the bolts 10%! > >The Natural and Bleached colors never go out of style and the weight >diversity allows you to make anything ranging from bed linens for >children, to summer suits for both men and women, to slipcovers for your couch. > >Hey, with this discount - you can even have linen as your wall paper. > >These utmost necessary fabrics, in the basic weights necessary to >complete most projects - will be on sale only for this week until >Sunday March 23. >Enter >here to go directly to the discounted bolts and save 10%! > >Thank you and enjoy, > >Nikolai Karpushin >Owner and President, >Fabrics-store.com > >P.S. Don't forget that with every purchase, you earn points that can >be transferred into dollar credit. > >P.P.S. Sign up to receive our Doggie bag alerts and be the first to >know when new Doggie bags are posted. These are 1st quality precut >pieces of fabric. Since they are precut, you get them at terrific >discount. After all, you'd cut them anyway. > >P.P.P.S If you know someone who will value this information, feel >free to forward them this email. > >Terms & Conditions >Offer cannot be applied to previous or pending purchases. > >Creative Work Media, LLC., 6325 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite 102, >Hollywood, CA 90038, USA > >To unsubscribe or change subscriber options visit: >http://www.aweber.com/z/r/?TKxsHMwstMysjCycjCxstEa0zIycHBwcLA== _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 14:46:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JIkjwg013108 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JIkam5021177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JIjxgL058083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JIjtOr014437; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JIjqDu014262 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaisondeHadley@aol.com) Received: from MaisondeHadley@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cd9.28037016 (32915) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: MaisondeHadley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:45:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 968bf974-3b59-4e2b-8e70-1f2f49dcba8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E15F8C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. You will come across a similar idea in the 1860's and the idea remains the same--a method of raising the skirts high enough to stay out of mud, puddles, etc. Occassionally you see it in fashion plates as a trendy thing to do over an elaborate underskirt, but more often than not it was an issue of practicality. To do it, one had the option of purchasing one of the patent "Dress Elevators" in the magazines, sewing tapes inside your skirt, or simply using pins. ~Joseph **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 15:52:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JJqlWG015520 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:52:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JJqfIH003734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:52:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JJpw5Z066736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JJppuJ090236; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JJplqd090160 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080319195145.YTYV3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:51:45 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:51:45 +0100 Message-ID: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:51:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.232] at Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:51:44 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000a01c889fa$a8e10e50$e843a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. 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Its frustrating when you have something on order and working with it, = then have another important order and you dont have the time to make = research. I must do this later. If anybody wonder what i am doing right now, i can tell you that i meet = a guy in Canada on Livejournal, who collects big asian ball jointed = dolls 60 cm high. He asked me to make Marie Antoinette clothes for his = dolls, and as i didnt have any dolls to meassure from, he suggested we = made a swap, he sended me a doll, and i am going to make a dress for one = of his dolls. I started it, and its quite fun. Really it takes much = longer time than i figured it would, but its also because i am so = critical in details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes = print "Les Adieaux".=20 So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, right now = i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. See more here:=20 http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm Also i finnished Guy d'Ancours waistcoat: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm And i am also making a 1740 corset laced center front. Two buisy! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 16:03:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JK3Hhu015930 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:03:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JK3BiB023834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:03:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JK2Yb3068431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JK2W3A003280; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JIWcBE098746 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from picmajik@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail10.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.110]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080319183232H0400acdfoe>; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:32:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.218.110] Received: from [167.230.38.116] by fwebmail10.isp.att.net; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:32:31 +0000 From: picmajik@bellsouth.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:32:31 +0000 Message-Id: <031920081832.3652.47E15C3F00079C3900000E4422230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0507060E030C079F@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 26 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: cGljbWFqaWtAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robin's armor question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3f871aa-dc42-4b03-9207-3a81ccd54091 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E1717F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I wish I had something else to offer. thanks, Debra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 16:11:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKBxI5016178 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:11:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JKBnmU018765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:11:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JKBJeB069428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKBFCZ013484; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKBCmK013337 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W3 ([64.4.19.103]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:11:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.220.155.148] From: Becky Rautine To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric weights! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:11:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HS_INDEX_PARAM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_ONDEAL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm interested. How much is it by the yard or by the bolt? I need one bolt = of the light weight linen. Costumes to make for upcoming events. i loved th= e linen chemise I made last year. Light and kept me cooler than I thought.= =20 PLEASE let us know how to get in on this deal!!!Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine>= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:56:31 -0700> To: h-costume@indra.com> From: joan= mj@surewest.net> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard= bolts in different fabric weights!> > A sale on linen in three weights. I = thought that list members would > like to have the opportunity to order.> >= Joan> (who already has a linen stash 8-))> > >To: "Joan" > >From: "Fabrics-Store.com Chronicle" > >Date: = Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:11:12 -0400> >Subject: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bo= lts in different fabric weights!> >> >Dear Joan,> >> >Winter is almost offi= cially over and to celebrate the Spring Equinox > >- we are having an enorm= ous sale!> >> >We are taking all the basic fabric weights:> >Light weight 3= .5 ounces/yard 100% linen> >Medium weight 5.3 ounces/yard 100% linen> >Heav= y weight 7.1 ounces/yard 100% linen> >> >We are including the utmost necess= ary fabrics :> >Bleached> >Bleached Softened> >Natural> >Natural Softened> = >> >We are cutting them down to easy to order 20 yard bolts and > >discount= ing the bolts 10%!> >> >The Natural and Bleached colors never go out of sty= le and the weight > >diversity allows you to make anything ranging from bed= linens for > >children, to summer suits for both men and women, to slipcov= ers for your couch.> >> >Hey, with this discount - you can even have linen = as your wall paper.> >> >These utmost necessary fabrics, in the basic weigh= ts necessary to > >complete most projects - will be on sale only for this w= eek until > >Sunday March 23.> >Enter > >here to go directly t= o the discounted bolts and save 10%!> >> >Thank you and enjoy,> >> >Nikolai= Karpushin> >Owner and President,> >Fabrics-store.com> >> >P.S= . 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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:34:36 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2008 20:34:36.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5FCA450:01C88A00] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e54b817-f69a-4f84-b9bc-6a42a30c753d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E17905.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aren't they the coolest! Wish I could afford one. Cool dress and waistcoat= .Sg= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 16:37:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKbspq016661 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JKbmXx011866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JKaAg5072839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKa97e042598; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2JKa41h042482 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200803192036.m2JKa41h042482@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 28223 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 13:35:36 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26516, pid: 28216, t: 0.1831s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_ONDEAL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cecBfdDVKZUA:10 a=uDb4aMAuAAAA:8 a=GbtAB2_lKh-mr_BBOU0A:9 a=dxUUFr7MgvK8wGB16iYA:7 a=fzcsjO75WzpQQwS6JZFG5KLg9c4A:4 a=meCyFb-cclIA:10 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 13:35:36 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:33:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric weights! In-Reply-To: References: <200803191759.m2JHx3vp059532@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f79cae9e-a179-47d6-9380-7eb5ff39b284 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E1799C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just click on the link ( I snipped the original email to make it easier to find). You can go to Fabric.com and subscribe to their email announcements to get them directly. At 01:11 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >I'm interested. How much is it by the yard or by the bolt? I need >one bolt of the light weight linen. Costumes to make for upcoming >events. i loved the linen chemise I made last year. Light and kept >me cooler than I thought. >PLEASE let us know how to get in on this deal!!!Sincerely, Rebecca >Rautine[snip]>Hey, with this discount - you can even have linen as >your wall paper.> >> >These utmost necessary fabrics, in the basic >weights necessary to > >complete most projects - will be on sale >only for this week until > >Sunday March >23.> >qVWZBPc26J6N_5kh0A>Enter > >here to go directly to the discounted >bolts and save 10%!> Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 16:47:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKl8Se016921 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:47:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JKl0CB023517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JKkUtO074150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKkTwl054639; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JKkPOu054488 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DE41246AF for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47E1892A.7060702@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:44:10 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:47:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Aren't they the coolest! Wish I could afford one. Cool dress and waistcoat. The look like they would be fun to make costumes for. I don't have one myself, but I know there are some lower-priced models out there, in the $100 or under range. I'd probably spend more than that on fabrics for it.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 17:07:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JL7VGk017221 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JL7MQB026080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JL6qot076723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JL6kwE078169; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JL6f1d077971 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cf6.2c78bd81 (65099) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:06:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:06:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Enormous Sale - 20 yard bolts in different fabric wei... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17e3c47f-60f8-4309-a5c3-1a155147c65c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1808A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, it's Fabrics-store.com. I'm on their list, too. Just ordered my first fabric from them in January. They also will send swatches (for free!). Catherine In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:36:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: Just click on the link ( I snipped the original email to make it easier to find). You can go to Fabric.com and subscribe to their email announcements to get them directly. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 17:19:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLJkFM017673 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:19:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JLJbpZ027652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:19:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JLJ5kd078074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLJ4HO091599; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLJ1Rf091438 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY108-W22 ([65.54.162.122]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:18:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [99.149.125.120] From: RobinandKelly Dorman To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:18:56 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2008 21:18:56.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6FB9D30:01C88A06] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Anyone seen this in history before? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54d93973-3b9d-4c67-a0bb-76dc4f67f28f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E18369.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:19:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DIET_1,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this= skirt and thought it was a great idea. I >think I had seen a variation on = this a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but t= his is the >first time I've seen it in a catalogue. >http://www.pyramidcoll= ection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=3DP8276+S>Has anyone ever come across this look = in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern bell= e >look, but those are probably permanently sewn in.>Great idea for keeping= your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using it for my less than hi= storically accurate stuff >with the SCA.>Sg =20 Mid-19th century: to raise the skirt slightly to show a fancy overpetticoat= or to provide ease in walking or sports such as croquet. =20 Regards, Kelly=20 _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 17:20:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLKdsO017702 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JLKXdL010544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JLKGb9078159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLKFQD092875; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLKBKG092810 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so356902rvf.11 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:20:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=9S9IV7Z9Do9kPD/C5Ltmp0Ui7UCc+6AmkXNf+sgNdHc=; b=dqh/dHkda8mRLsAdDz15dpnttDy9x7RBrK6Tv8L4zfJsF5zsO/Cn1q02jQASBfOJwoc5JCocdxv6d5/Y1Adrb/NlCH4w5NpjsH1gloLpdSpn7aZzPflCA1bQL5ff8Bzu848Bb+RNm9hhcHVhV9XPK+MQStioVxQIxx0YyqGhG+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oWekaMqEczuYapXCAyXppS7f/87UMLRMlhTbbOU/a+GjqkzvfkzehsQgcWfVeBvusRXqsKIDDMk+Qc5gHyFpU1V21goNbVEwCkdnmggxI6DtpXt7iYsqbUixiwmWcgsrsb50jznseZa/izzkJrru/ih3wP+K+zf/s4g3THvxMfE= Received: by 10.140.192.9 with SMTP id p9mr504925rvf.114.1205961611155; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.52.17 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:20:11 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: need advice on making a standing collar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6491f431-fa4d-4446-9ae6-562dbba75599 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E183A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi said: >You could try googling for "Supportasse", ... ...or, in Dutch, "portefraise". There are two extant wire frames in museum collections; I've written about them on this list previously. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 17:21:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLLWfY017746 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:21:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JLLO1u005338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:21:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JLL1lo078222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLL1ZC093763; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JLKwr4093609 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JXZ001YNXYMDKQ0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:46 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From the back it reminds me of a Robe a la Polinaise C. 1700s. Or a Roman shade. :-) Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaisondeHadley@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:46 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. You will come across a similar idea in the 1860's and the idea remains the same--a method of raising the skirts high enough to stay out of mud, puddles, etc. Occassionally you see it in fashion plates as a trendy thing to do over an elaborate underskirt, but more often than not it was an issue of practicality. To do it, one had the option of purchasing one of the patent "Dress Elevators" in the magazines, sewing tapes inside your skirt, or simply using pins. ~Joseph **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 18:01:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JM1mK4018533 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:01:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JM1gbS028407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:01:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JM1HII083110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JM1CYv038403; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2JM189h038266 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29442 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2008 22:01:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=j3SOrO8Noqq0745dp4J4Ae7NYt/idaQ1q1/8ba/0eU84aWyKk1MaQLXp9oENaU3o2ziGX7GMc6qSyru5X9y78KgEk7csDC9nCAAMyHiuQJyjI4nnqPyvks/BJzoHtCs/kpuSP2Tb0R/XOzPm/BlS0KNiwE4sHE67rimHIFY54EQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 0DT4eKoVM1mT3hyTAsFCNoQ9.9BXrvZaOFy4w2wQ Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:01:02 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: corset supplies manufacturers To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <444811.29016.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: baa7f63a-5cc6-48d7-b66f-91174a77ee30 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E18D46.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I'd say Wissner looks like the company everyone buys goods from...just a shame they don't sell less than 200 meters, but well, I could perhaps handle that somehow....:-) As someone was interested in the Luettges company's prices, here is what they wrote to me, with some necessary translations, I hope you'll see them in red: DESIRA-Metall-Federn, endlos €/Meter Flat steel 6x0,6mm Art.-Nr. 2600 005 0,7425 8x0,4mm Art.-Nr. 2150 005 0,6263 11x0,5mm Art.-Nr. 2250 005 0,8303 Mindestbestellmenge: 1 Ring = 25m je Abmessung. Minimal amount 25m Spiralfedern, endlos 7x0,75mm Art.-Nr. 3320 000 1,56 €/m Spiral steel Mindestbestellmenge: 1 Ring = ca. 40-60 Meter Lauflänge. Minimal amount 40-60m 7mm Metallkappen Art. 7004 000 2,916 €/100 Stück Metal caps, min.100pcs, 2,916 €/100pcs Mindestabnahmemenge: 100 Stück. Am Meisten verkaufen wir für Reifröcke unsere DESIRA-Metall-Federn 6x0,60mm. For hoopskirts the size 6x0,60mm of flat steels is best. Sollten Sie breiteres Material benötigten, so können wir die Abmessung 11x0,50mm empfehlen. if wider bone necessary, 11x0,50mm is good. Unsere Konditionen lauten wie folgt: Lieferzeit: ca. 1 Woche nach Zahlungseingang. Zahlung: Vorauskasse Lieferung: ab Werk, zuzüglich Verpackung. Mindestbestellwert: 77,00 Euro Nettowarenwert. minimal Total Person to contact: Engels - Sabine [sabine.engels@luettges.com] Minimal amount of pre-cut flat steels is 100pcs. Hope it's useful, Zuzana --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 19:21:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNL1JQ019827 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:21:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JNKt7k002170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:20:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JNKGxU092447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNK9HO015025; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNK5fI014936 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080319232003.EIIC18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:20:03 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080319232003.YDGW5282.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:20:03 +0100 Message-ID: <20080319232003.YDGW5282.fep45.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080319204723.PJCQ5833.fep27.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:20:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, Before i got this doll i have now, i searched and considered these: http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-2-Part-OBITSU-Body-60-cm-white-Tone-Dollfie_W0QQitemZ270214881051QQihZ017QQcategoryZ84635QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem My dolls head is a fairy, with a pointed nose, big eyes, it has wings to attach in the back. Got 2 wigs with it. But i think these on ebay looks good two, most important thing with these is the body, its a dream to make for this size of doll, and also that it can move every body part is good. I have the feeling i am going quite chrazy with this doll clothing thing, have a lot of ideas that i want to make trough......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. > Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> Aren't they the coolest! Wish I could afford one. Cool dress and >> waistcoat. > > The look like they would be fun to make costumes for. I don't have one > myself, but I know there are some lower-priced models out there, in the > $100 or under range. I'd probably spend more than that on fabrics for > it.... > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 19:27:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNRMsc019918 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:27:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JNRHcu011592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:27:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JNPiF1093166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNPhgx020113; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNPbje019966 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cc2.292d8d15 (41810) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:25:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Baltimore Area Costume Event X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 487ff866-a445-4e5e-b8ff-7b5f63a840e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1A155.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Watch the video on AOL=20 Home. =20 (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=3D15?ncid=3Daol= hom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 19:52:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNqQW6020310 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:52:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JNqJQS032103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JNpmTj097074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNplBX045787; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:51:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNph4Y045714 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.98] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1623813765 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:51:43 -0500 Message-ID: <018201c88a1c$2ea769a0$62a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. 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Really it takes much longer time than i figured it would, but its also because i am so critical in details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes print "Les Adieaux". So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, right now i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. See more here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm --------- As always, your work is beautiful! I think the Canadian guy is getting the better end of the deal :-) The dress is beautiful and I love looking at your embroidery. The doll, however, is kinda creepy. I'm sure it will be gorgeous when it is completely dressed and has a wig. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 19:53:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNrlCF020330 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:53:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JNrea9000309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:53:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JNrKqw097209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNrIQ1047039; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNrEQj046909 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0060428F8C for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:53:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47E1A7A0.7030501@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:54:08 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Ball jointed dolls was:[h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8deb081a-2748-4988-9044-a40babbb4e24 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E1A784.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:53:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Welcome to the club! Do you know that they can be awfully addictive? A friend of mine who also has ball jointed dolls send me a website from that friend of yours. I told her that I knew you from this list. I am still working on a 19th century dress and tomorrow I will order her wig with ringlets. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html My darkelf is from dollzone en my girl is from Luts http://www.eluts.com/ She is a senior delf and she is slightly more mature than other models. She poses beautifully. They are wonderfull to take pictures from. Oh i forgot Losboll it is a flooting head not sure if it is he or she. I experiment on it to get better on face painting. http://85.17.225.57/202500001-202550000/202519501-202519600/202519562_6_Guec.jpeg Her you can probably vieuw some more pictures of them. http://deredere.hyves.nl/ I love them.... With the ones I have I can change wigs, eyes and eyelashes even the face paint if I really want. Yea totally addictive :-) Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dear all, > I feel terrible because i have not answering all your wonderfull suggestions and comments on my coming projekt. > I am burried in work right now, and i have saved all your replyes for me in a folder, so that i dont miss anything. I wil probably have some more questions later when i start the projekt. > One thing is sure though, i reall have to travel over to the manor to have a close look at the portraits, to se if i can find more details, and ill take my camera with me. > Its frustrating when you have something on order and working with it, then have another important order and you dont have the time to make research. I must do this later. > > If anybody wonder what i am doing right now, i can tell you that i meet a guy in Canada on Livejournal, who collects big asian ball jointed dolls 60 cm high. He asked me to make Marie Antoinette clothes for his dolls, and as i didnt have any dolls to meassure from, he suggested we made a swap, he sended me a doll, and i am going to make a dress for one of his dolls. I started it, and its quite fun. Really it takes much longer time than i figured it would, but its also because i am so critical in details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes print "Les Adieaux". > So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, right now i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. > See more here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm > > Also i finnished Guy d'Ancours waistcoat: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm > > And i am also making a 1740 corset laced center front. > > Two buisy! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 20:00:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K00NWp020435 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:00:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K00FL5030354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:00:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2JNYsEo094480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNYrQn028218; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2JNYmMX028089 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2JNYdwQ019307 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47E1892A.7060702@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:39 -0700 References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <47E1892A.7060702@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ac12982-0d68-4a26-972a-cb33effe2911 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1A910.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Dawn wrote: > Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> Aren't they the coolest! Wish I could afford one. Cool dress and >> waistcoat. > > The look like they would be fun to make costumes for. I don't have > one myself, but I know there are some lower-priced models out there, > in the $100 or under range. I'd probably spend more than that on > fabrics for it.... If you're coming to Costume-Con 26 , we've got some very knowledgeable ball-joint doll (sometimes referred to as resin dolls) folks attending, and there's going to be a ball-joint doll reception in our doll exhibit. Japanese ball-joint dolls (exemplified by the Volks "Dollfie" lines) are usually very expensive. There are Japanese brands like Obitsu that are more reasonably priced. There are several Korean manufacturers who make dolls that are as well- crafted as the Japanese dolls, and while their design sense is sometimes different, they're often very beautiful too. They're also a lot cheaper. A warning, though: These dolls can be habit-forming. I don't think it's unintentional that one of the largest US retailers of BJDs is named "Junky Spot." andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 20:09:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K09gsW020619 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:09:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K09VJ2028027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:09:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K099ek098666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K098hC059955; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K094nd059891 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FCF38068 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:10:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803192010.40035.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5907a8dd-5b35-4ab6-9255-265bdf8058df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E1AB3C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:09:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Wednesday 19 March 2008, MaisondeHadley@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wickedfrau@msn.com writes: > > http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S > > Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The > flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably > permanently sewn in. > > > You will come across a similar idea in the 1860's and the idea remains the > same--a method of raising the skirts high enough to stay out of mud, > puddles, etc. Occassionally you see it in fashion plates as a trendy thing > to do over an elaborate underskirt, but more often than not it was an > issue of practicality. To do it, one had the option of purchasing one of > the patent "Dress Elevators" in the magazines, sewing tapes inside your > skirt, or simply using pins. > I'd add that, so far, all of the comments relate to the interestingly poofy style of the skirt. 1860s bodices were very different than the top of this dress, and the combination of the two (the plain, scoop-necked bodice with no front seams and the flounced skirt) strikes me as modern. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 20:13:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K0Dto0020687 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K0DoCC025770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K0CskR099001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K0Csm3062972; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K0Cotp062926 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 36CCA3B0B9 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:12:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:12:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 667dc6ba-bf3f-43f4-9cb4-fb5eb0d1b716 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E1AC3E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >From the back? Are you possible mistaking the pulled up skirt version as the back of the outfit? -----Original Message----- >From the back it reminds me of a Robe a la Polinaise C. 1700s. Or a Roman shade. :-) Monica -----Original Message----- In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 21:33:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K1XjVI021988 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K1Xda0031537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K1WifV007237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K1WhfR025885; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+KolbP60ZvzD6eMubF+7fR0Ctg98daTQA@mail9.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K1WcDd025811 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2K1WaSX003733 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:32:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 847 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 01:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 20 Mar 2008 01:32:36 -0000 Message-ID: <47E1BEB4.6080604@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:32:36 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Partlets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5708dfb4-3058-48f1-be75-2372be2484c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E1BEF3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It must be obvious when I'm working on a paper, because that's when I start peppering the list with questions (rather than writing long treatises to answer other people!). As usual, this is about something that's rather removed from my own area -- so I don't know much about it. In my paper (which relates to an aspect of late 14th c. English middle-class dress), I'm making a passing reference to partlets, specifically to say that they don't show up till well past the period I'm focusing on. However, I'd like to be able to say something a little more concrete, specifically how much later it is that partlets do show up, and in what places. It's obvious that partlets in a variety of styles are all over the place in the late 16th century, but I'm having a harder time nailing down when they first appear. (It doesn't help that my reference library is very spotty after the late 1400s.) Along with getting dates for first appearances, I'm especially interested in finding clear images of partlets worn outside the dress (tied under the arms). White is best, but I'd be happy to find others as well. I particularly need examples that have collars, as I'm comparing collar styles among different garments over time. So far the earliest partlets I've located for England are some suggestions in Holbein's drawings, around the 1530s, but these are very sketchy (literally) so I'm not sure of them, and I can't use the images because they're not clear enough. So I still need a good early start date and/or example from England. I found a picture of a woman with a white partlet, worn on the outside and tied under the arms, in Flanders, 1563 (specifically in a painting by Beuckelaer reproduced in Drea's book on Flemish workingwomen's clothing). I don't know how much earlier they show up. For France, I found a fancy beaded partlet of something transparent, worn over a dress, also from 1563, in a portrait of Claude de Beaune from the studio of Francois Clouet, now at the Louvre (Fig. 328 in Payne). That also feels rather late. I have nothing on the early side for Italy, Germany, or Spain; my library is too slim for these regions. Can anyone point me toward an earlier appearance for any of these countries, and/or toward images of the partlets worn with the ties visible? To underscore my need here: This is a passing reference in a paper on another topic, and I just want to be sure I get the right ballpark for first appearances. This is NOT a paper on partlets, and I'm not interested in doing extensive research on partlets. (Not this time.) Thus my hope that someone else who has already been down this road will be able to toss me a date or an image! Thanks, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 21:36:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K1aFwN022031 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:36:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K1a9AP018042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:36:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K1UOfY007077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K1UGmG023983; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n37.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n37.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2K1Td4L023444 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.12.4.215] by n37.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2008 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from [87.248.111.148] by t2.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2008 01:29:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2008 01:29:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 373437.53610.bm@omp205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46799 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 21:35:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bNHDtpU89/mYFrqfT5ZcWOl7GJOdSr/7hYvf1kAa0URUzme6+lHRN8Zn++rxUzUyXksVYpV+5+DFfWMvccsMYjIwvnaO30N1IsElRPG2igJhyPj6erkDuqmoXmtY55/FnYAYZMkw3tpGougXUYrEq0yJaHF1mlLb4Pfny4LEdCM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.207.57.0 with plain) by smtp108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 21:35:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: npFBudEVM1lr19BYTI65A2E9SinJdlpATqxQT8N6M1kqPZuY1snT3eUCDeW3390EIU9NvvAMmScErZ7L.egg5BoZvKQZ55LWfxvnSB.7TtdFoKZL X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47E186F7.7000405@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:34:47 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is similar to one method of making the Polonaise, in the 18th century: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87.htm Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this skirt and thought it was a great idea. I think I had seen a variation on this a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but this is the first time I've seen it in a catalogue. > > http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S > > Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. > > Great idea for keeping your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using it for my less than historically accurate stuff with the SCA. > Sg > > As one of my favorite historians said: > > "If you thought of it, they probably did too."_______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 22:24:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K2O4Ts022600 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:24:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K2NxMY001876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K2NY7W012077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K2NVid064170; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K2NRet064098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A2F24009 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:23:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47E1CA9B.9060206@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:23:23 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E1BEB4.6080604@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47E1BEB4.6080604@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07b4373f-5fee-4a97-af79-28a4d0767622 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1CABF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:24:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Are you treating the transparent kerchiefs at the neck of the circa-1400 era as something not-a-partlet-ancestor? -- cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 22:36:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K2a6lS022931 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:36:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K2a0J0028492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K2ZQlD013112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K2ZO0H073773; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+RbAGTgm/KQ3/166LiKBnryvzwGwo2LkM@mail9.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K2ZL0p073736 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2K2ZJ99030197 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:35:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 16672 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 02:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 20 Mar 2008 02:35:19 -0000 Message-ID: <47E1CD66.903@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:35:18 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets References: <8CA431FEB16D993-644-30DD@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <34001.141.154.134.3.1203686658.squirrel@mail.atlastc.net> <5F120285-7EDC-4515-9347-5153BB480031@faucet.net> <47E1BEB4.6080604@netherton.net> <47E1CA9B.9060206@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <47E1CA9B.9060206@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2d95752-f460-4fad-9dfa-3d0d1f10bc65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E1CD90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Are you treating the transparent kerchiefs at the neck of the circa-1400 > era as something not-a-partlet-ancestor? They're not relevant in this case. My concern is actually collars in the late 14th c. (actually I'm analyzing a particular narrative passage that mentions a collar, so I'm talking about what the collar might have looked like). In discussing possibilities, I mention partlets as collars made as separate garments, as opposed to the types of collars that are attached to, or part of, a garment. It's not the main point of my paper, but I need to be able to acknowledge that such a thing does show up at some point past the period I'm focusing on. The scarves that go over the shoulders might well be ancestors to the partlet, but they don't have collars, so mercifully I don't have to talk about them. If I were focusing on partlet development, I would. All this just so I can say the equivalent of "and a while later you see this thing called a partlet ..." But vagueness is so unprofessional. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 23:29:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K3Tt6x025226 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:29:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K3Tn8j013672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:29:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K3TKa0017916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K3TIJ5016455; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2K3TF0B016357 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 56708 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 03:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.173.100 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 03:29:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KFzJYAkVM1mZCadvBQd4kd4k35N7g7CrD3a4U5Zf.wW6b2CiSyiwZ4A_rbcUV5J2lFXHQjxHlA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004f01c88a3a$7fd152a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:28:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Maria Teresa X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 459338c3-601d-441b-89e7-e30b28dd2218 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E1DA2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:29:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest to interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk piece a shawl/wrap? or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) I have found the sleeve in "Art of Costume in Russia", plate referance #13 For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the studio of Marten von Meytens. Thanks Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 19 23:48:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K3mqMw025534 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:48:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K3mkba023129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K3hHhG018943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K3hEf9026387; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K3hBfB026352 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 42A623B03E for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:43:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Maria Teresa Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <004f01c88a3a$7fd152a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54d7a026-3a0d-4306-b7c4-5c558aee1cd0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E1DE9E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This portrait? http://tinyurl.com/39vwbp or http://www.brukenthalmuseum.ro/de/ev_barocke_sammellust/39.php http://tinyurl.com/2wjr2t http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_van_Meytens_001.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Maria_Theresia.jpg -----Original Message----- Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest to interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk piece a shawl/wrap? or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) I have found the sleeve in "Art of Costume in Russia", plate referance #13 For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the studio of Marten von Meytens. Thanks Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 00:03:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K43Uwb025744 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:03:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K43OKL015509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:03:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K431bH020619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K42wfp040139; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K42tGa040014 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=lg9wI7/2W2Z6owiOmbnBY1W0ENGjFt1P9k08BkvhjN+NF8m6BoEU6A8v5sDN5FXe; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JcBzJ-00053x-Hg for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:02:47 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080319224228.02866eb0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:44:26 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080319072853.037aeab0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53f33d9320559beb67e263d6d11889e57f66a7e8c6efad87bd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: need advice on making a standing collar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31d15c91-af22-4142-85bf-1c342966bac7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1E20C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:03:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO No, not really - two? I don't / didn't see that. Sandy Thanks to all for your suggestions - researching now! At 10:05 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >A lot of it depends on the style of dress. I made one for the >Suitable Gown for Her Majesty presentation that worked great. It >just slide into the front of the rolls created by the outer gown >"lapels." I will look for a picture and post it. My websites are >just fubar right now and probably will be for awhile. > >Can you show us a picture of the dress you are making? > >Sg > >P.S. I am assuming also that you realize there are two >collars/ruffs there right? "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 00:15:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4FnKf025957 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:15:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K4Finl031793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:15:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K4FLk9021633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4FHpx048452; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail21.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/wpkLPq1BmsKFLnf2Ibgnl5AIv/yGMhWE@mail21.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4Eh4i047891 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail21.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2K4EgeH014386 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:14:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 19968 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 04:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. --Robin yeah, heavy research day _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 00:16:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4G5q8025976 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:16:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K4G15I021362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:16:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K4FjrM022028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4Fge1049164; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18IaisTeSmHgEMmL1AMefrHblk9nrWOBHE@mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4FcCF049018 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2K4FaC3020577 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:15:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 9636 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 04:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: > I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID > on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it > appears in? > > The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for > anyone. --Robin half brain-dead _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 00:25:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4PgPa026352 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:25:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K4Pbpo007537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K4PHTs022895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4PFhh055645; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2K4OkH3055318 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 76727 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2008 04:24:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PXhvO9XlaiqR41Pb1bUFCOjFMmCWqbd0ouDpK4LPqBXFnSOZhXAcOgWNuTWbFaAENPB/PhEj01Y6CcpM/mRkEfnHW6tSEXlTA/6u96T28Dgm8UTpQ0u2E/384VzSQXMGC4xG0o4u4UqOEmazXtv+PQGq+7uKNEtiU+BvXAk6ilY=; X-YMail-OSG: HapSQwUVM1l9Wh76OWme6lo7_xWuB1KvjBFKHlKImbEMYTka2hbzEfwOwHDVcclse_0nrB.RG5w0V0fEidy7IZRf6t0EwBQlb0jMSeZbpocyoeNAPZVovHgZCF.NeQmrfpxDvWKaHbgWLIaGB4Z7If4xAsH6WgIAcekdyU.G Received: from [121.45.13.158] by web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:24:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:25:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Agnolo Bronzino, c1528 -32, Royal Collection, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth I= I.=0A=0Ahttp://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/theartofitaly/object.a= sp?row=3D13&exhibs=3DCITAFLORO&item=3D14=0A=0A=0A =0ABella=0AThe Realm of V= enus=0Ahttp://realmofvenus.net=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: = Robin Netherton =0ATo: Historic Costume List =0ASent: Thursday, 20 March, 2008 2:45:35 PM=0ASubject: [h-cost= ] Re: Painting ID?=0A=0AYes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it?= =0Ahttp://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg=0A=0ARobin Netherton wr= ote:=0A> I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's = no ID =0A> on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a bo= ok it =0A> appears in?=0A> =0A> The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in c= ase that rings any bells for =0A> anyone.=0A=0A--Robin=0Ahalf brain-dead=0A= _______________________________________________=0Ah-costume mailing list=0A= h-costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= =0A=0A=0A Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email add= ress.=0Awww.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail=0A=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 00:25:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4PmQd026356 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K4PhTj025868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:25:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K4PTpV022902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4PSRE055790; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4PONu055743 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C3C38068 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:26:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <47E1E4B1.8000109@netherton.net> <47E1E4E7.60408@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <47E1E4E7.60408@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803200026.59852.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abe1608c-c5e3-48ed-8cc6-c8ef36979236 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1E747.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:25:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 20 March 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? > http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID > > on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it > > appears in? > > > > The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for > > anyone. I found it attributed as follows on Jen Thompson's site: Agnolo Bronzino: A Daughter of Matteo Sofferoni, 1530-1532 The Royal Collection, Her Majesty the Queen, Elizabeth II Sorry I don't know what book/s you can find it in, but knowing that it's from the Queen's collection might help you find one. Good luck. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 00:30:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4UBLx026600 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:30:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K4U6mI027538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:30:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K4Tjrp023237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K4Til5058774; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2K4TfPJ058663 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 17949 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 04:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:29:34 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:29:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c88a4b$5e890f00$6d0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <47E1E4E7.60408@netherton.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-index: AciKQSitO6+jFceOS8CUbV96wWgdwAACgZ3Q X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9233b17-8978-4af4-a5f9-69159565e1f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E1E84E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:30:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I love that one! It's a Bronzino, and I think it's at Hampton Court - if I remember right Hope that helps a bit. Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:16 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? 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To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: <47E1E4E7.60408@netherton.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yes, it would help to include the URL, wouldn't it? http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Robin Netherton wrote: > I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID > on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it > appears in? > > The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for > anyone. --Robin half brain-dead --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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Don't want people to be scurrying around on this one on my behalf now... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 04:22:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K8MlnH028312 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:22:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2K8MfeT023365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2K8MMSU042507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K8MKo5019732; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2K8MHFA019686 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080320082216.QPP3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:22:16 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080320082216.YFZI25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: <20080320082216.YFZI25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080320034419.CKMP5833.fep27.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maria Teresa Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:22:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.232] at Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:22:15 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c88a63$802cbc70$e843a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2718faa5-5b6a-46ca-8e35-90cbb73750a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E21ED1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:22:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a french style court gown. It is boned bodice laced center back and skirt over pannier. I have made a lot of research of this style because i made a danish court dress in this style. Look in "Costume" and Janet Arnold made a pattern draft of Sofia Magdalenas wedding dress, wich also is in this style. Besides this you can find informations about the style in Lena Rangstrøms "Klæder for tid och evighet" Sweden is very lucky because they have 5 dresses preserved in this style, this is: Sofia Magdalenas wedding dress and court dress, Sofia Albertinas wedding dress and then dresses belonging to Ulrika Eleonora. Lena Rangstrøm also made a small book about Sofia Magdalenas wedding dress, with lots of photos - some even taken with xray pictures, to see the boning in the bodices. It is so interresting reading. For a pannier in this shape, you can use Blanche Paines patterndraft of the pannier worn with Ulrika Eleonoras coronation dress. Its pleated in shape, before the channels for the hoops are inserted. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:43 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Maria Teresa > This portrait? > http://tinyurl.com/39vwbp > or > http://www.brukenthalmuseum.ro/de/ev_barocke_sammellust/39.php > http://tinyurl.com/2wjr2t > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_van_Meytens_001.jpg > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Maria_Theresia.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest > to > interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 > Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 > Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk > piece a shawl/wrap? > or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl > > What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) > > I have found the sleeve in "Art of Costume in Russia", plate referance #13 > > For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the > studio of Marten von Meytens. > Thanks > Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 07:00:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KB0N1r021781 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:00:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KB0FZ7014340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:00:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KAVRD6056984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KAVK7N019116; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KAVFpq018997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 122-49-159-9.ip.adam.com.au ([122.49.159.9] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JcI3B-000BTp-No for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:01:09 +1030 Message-ID: <001601c88a75$7b81a5c0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200803200416.m2K4Fn0t049332@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:00:56 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 092dbd37-a0bf-4b68-9b41-28c4c132db65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E243BF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:35:18 -0500 > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <47E1CD66.903@netherton.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Cynthia Virtue wrote: >> Are you treating the transparent kerchiefs at the neck of the circa-1400 >> era as something not-a-partlet-ancestor? > > They're not relevant in this case. My concern is actually collars in the > late 14th c. (actually I'm analyzing a particular narrative passage that > mentions a collar, so I'm talking about what the collar might have > looked like). In discussing possibilities, I mention partlets as collars > made as separate garments, as opposed to the types of collars that are > attached to, or part of, a garment. It's not the main point of my paper, > but I need to be able to acknowledge that such a thing does show up at > some point past the period I'm focusing on. > > The scarves that go over the shoulders might well be ancestors to the > partlet, but they don't have collars, so mercifully I don't have to talk > about them. If I were focusing on partlet development, I would. > > All this just so I can say the equivalent of "and a while later you see > this thing called a partlet ..." But vagueness is so unprofessional. > I think around 1525 is a safe bet for partlet as collar - see the rudimentary collared partlet on a couple of the Holbein sketches of Thomas More's family. For partlet as outerware, not partlet as shirt, they first seem to appear as those black things filling in the square neckline of late 15th century gowns, but again the collars don't appear to the 1520s or so. Might the collar in question be a necklace? Claire/Angharad _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 07:18:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KBIJOP024191 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:18:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KBI908007369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:18:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KBChqV062016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KBCeQ2053667; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KBCawH053525 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200803201112.m2KBCawH053525@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3NiF1Z0011HpZEsA502j00; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:11:02 +0000 Received: from NunnWeinberg1.comcast.net ([24.118.252.121]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3PCE1Z0062duwnL8a00000; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:12:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iq8VfAMyAAAA:8 a=xDiYgJiuAAAA:8 a=lgK9AF2nAAAA:8 a=lrOGC3MxAAAA:8 a=oKkZzf6eagjb764ReCsA:9 a=Gjgi6YuWnyfcwp0LeJVD2pL2CcoA:4 a=d7SFeClS3aYA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:10:50 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <47E1A7A0.7030501@kabelfoon.nl> References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <47E1A7A0.7030501@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00a4ced7-236c-4db5-919c-1a9541711491 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E247F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:18:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would be very curious to know how many of us on the list are now into BJDs. How many of us got into them because of the possibilities for costuming them? I know when I talked my husband into letting me get my first girl (a Limhwa half-elf) I swore it would be my only doll and I wanted her so that I could make her all the costumes I wanted to do but couldn't make for myself for various reasons. One year later and I have four dolls, two floating heads (it was five until this past weekend - I just sold my Bobobie Sprite), and my husband Michael has his first doll on layaway. My friend Heather doesn't call it "dollycrack" for nothing. ;-) However, back to costuming, they really are ideal for it, with the single drawback, of the bodies being non-malleable so that when making underpinnings such as stays, it can be difficult to create the correct the look even when using them. Once I'm done my current sewing commitments, I get to go back to work on my 18th century stuff for my girls. Cheers, Danielle At 06:54 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >Welcome to the club! >Do you know that they can be awfully addictive? >A friend of mine who also has ball jointed dolls send me a website >from that friend of yours. >I told her that I knew you from this list. > >I am still working on a 19th century dress and tomorrow I will order >her wig with ringlets. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html > >My darkelf is from dollzone en my girl is from Luts http://www.eluts.com/ >She is a senior delf and she is slightly more mature than other >models. She poses beautifully. >They are wonderfull to take pictures from. >Oh i forgot Losboll it is a flooting head not sure if it is he or she. >I experiment on it to get better on face painting. >http://85.17.225.57/202500001-202550000/202519501-202519600/202519562_6_Guec.jpeg > >Her you can probably vieuw some more pictures of them. >http://deredere.hyves.nl/ > >I love them.... With the ones I have I can change wigs, eyes and >eyelashes even the face paint if I really want. > >Yea totally addictive :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 08:25:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KCPoWZ026029 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:25:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KCPifJ028158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:25:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KCP12f071527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KCOsAJ021826; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2KCOobY021696 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 73341 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 12:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.173.100 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 12:24:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NsM0JokVM1mdH1YqTuBQVRGU4v94PBSl3tBndHawhYua.Gppr_pDD.KIgBOnHsdNG44le8YX2zy3JdI.hB2akW5PPAJAcWxUMNMAm1fe3lA.hOj4FnLC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003d01c88a85$5479c8d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maria Teresa Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:24:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93e5014d-7de0-4d2c-a9e3-11a9462d9a15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E257C8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:25:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The first one was Bingo! I thought it was a seated figure but the style of the gown is true to my other source. The other views you cite are also interesting! Thanks for the look-see; I see I have my work cut out ... (The exhibit I am working on is presently developing with the title "Cut Down to Size") Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Maria Teresa > This portrait? > http://tinyurl.com/39vwbp > or > http://www.brukenthalmuseum.ro/de/ev_barocke_sammellust/39.php > http://tinyurl.com/2wjr2t > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_van_Meytens_001.jpg > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Maria_Theresia.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest > to > interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 > Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 > Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk > piece a shawl/wrap? > or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl > > What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) > > I have found the sleeve in "Art of Costume in Russia", plate referance #13 > > For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the > studio of Marten von Meytens. > Thanks > Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 08:40:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KCe6RE026196 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:40:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KCdxLN008860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KCcpMU077362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KCcmlV038842; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2KCciwS038732 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 58202 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 12:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.173.100 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 12:38:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xy3JDYwVM1keBVkJMqZe4NVubTC1YhRYZywuSzmMhCJyiUcBATOIcbmhPKrLgdUs4ASi2ugHHOc1zBZksBE8rz7ZjFB6hzPT8Lz85.nJuupqeRNx6dCv X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <006201c88a87$462b4cc0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080320034419.CKMP5833.fep27.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20080320082216.YFZI25567.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maria Teresa Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:38:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ef9fde2-f438-4b9a-8ce1-b2e130abcafc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E25B1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:40:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you so much; the Sofi Magdalenas gown should fit the bill. I couldn't find the Arnold last eve but will ferret it out today. The Waugh diagrams are before me for a gown of this period; I will compare the two and see what will work best for a 16" doll. Unfortunately I haven't time to do the embroidery (as if I could attempt it) but do have some lovely antique heavy gold work on tapes sufficient for the skirt and will try some surface work for the stomacher. The detail work on such as found in the Kyoto collection should give me some closeup of pattern and stitching. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Maria Teresa > This is a french style court gown. It is boned bodice laced center back > and skirt over pannier. > I have made a lot of research of this style because i made a danish court > dress in this style. > Look in "Costume" and Janet Arnold made a pattern draft of Sofia > Magdalenas wedding dress, wich also is in this style. Besides this you can > find informations about the style in Lena Rangstrøms "Klæder for tid och > evighet" > Sweden is very lucky because they have 5 dresses preserved in this style, > this is: Sofia Magdalenas wedding dress and court dress, Sofia Albertinas > wedding dress and then dresses belonging to Ulrika Eleonora. Lena > Rangstrøm also made a small book about Sofia Magdalenas wedding dress, > with lots of photos - some even taken with xray pictures, to see the > boning in the bodices. > It is so interresting reading. > For a pannier in this shape, you can use Blanche Paines patterndraft of > the pannier worn with Ulrika Eleonoras coronation dress. Its pleated in > shape, before the channels for the hoops are inserted. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:43 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Maria Teresa > > >> This portrait? >> http://tinyurl.com/39vwbp >> or >> http://www.brukenthalmuseum.ro/de/ev_barocke_sammellust/39.php >> http://tinyurl.com/2wjr2t >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_van_Meytens_001.jpg >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Maria_Theresia.jpg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Questions re my ongoing project of H-costume in minature: I have a quest >> to >> interpret Maria Teresa coronation gown;.Time: 1740 >> Books before me: Imperial Style: fashions of the Hapsburg era, #91 >> Is this gown a velvet 'robe Anglaise' with mantua of silk or is the silk >> piece a shawl/wrap? >> or (2) a gown of two pieces with stomacher and 'coat' or shawl >> >> What is the color scheme? (My resource is in black and white) >> >> I have found the sleeve in "Art of Costume in Russia", plate referance >> #13 >> >> For any one who might have this portrait in color...painted by/ or of the >> studio of Marten von Meytens. >> Thanks >> Kathleen (Who hasn't told Queen Maud that she has another commission!) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 09:16:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KDGujo026732 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:16:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KDGoxM025523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:16:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KDBT3V082557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KDBS0g070907; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KDBObi070707 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:13:04 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C88A8C.21C3822F" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Painting ID? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:16:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C88A8C.21C3822F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forwarded to Ailith. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Robin Netherton Sent: Thu 3/20/2008 12:14 AM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Painting ID? I had this image bookmarked from an earlier conversation. There's no ID on it. Can anyone ID this painting, or (better yet) tell me a book it appears in? The site belongs to Ailith Mackintosh, in case that rings any bells for anyone. --Robin yeah, heavy research day _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C88A8C.21C3822F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C88A8C.21C3822F-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 10:18:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEIb22028429 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:18:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KEIVi7017003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:18:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KEHHUG092745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEGud8045453; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEGLKq044721 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W56 ([65.55.138.91]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:16:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:16:09 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47E186F7.7000405@yahoo.co.uk> References: <47E186F7.7000405@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2008 14:16:08.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[F15E6F70:01C88A94] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87a73971-eeb8-4ed4-864c-697f18c20401 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E27237.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:18:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Jean, these aren't "tied" up per se with the intention of letting them down= to train are they? =20 Sg > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:34:47 +0000> From: waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk> To: = h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history befo= re?> CC: > > This is similar to one method of making the Polonaise, in the = 18th> century: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87= .htm> > Jean= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 10:21:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KELjCV028543 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:21:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KELbhN002807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:21:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KEKvbs093502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEKuIU050313; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEKsPr050154 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W30 ([65.55.138.65]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:20:47 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200803192010.40035.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200803192010.40035.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2008 14:20:47.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[977A6440:01C88A95] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f9ed8a4-e3b6-47b6-a3a3-f0d879c5a30c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E272F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:21:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh yeah - I think we got that. :) I didn't even realize it was a dress, = I was only interested in the mechanics of the skirt. I actually like the t= op part of it [sin shiny poly fabric of the skirt]. I don't have the figur= e for the top though...and I can't imagine wearing any of it in its current= state for anything but a fantasy thing....> I'd add that, so far, all of t= he comments relate to the interestingly poofy > style of the skirt. 1860s b= odices were very different than the top of this > dress, and the combinatio= n of the two (the plain, scoop-necked bodice with no > front seams and the = flounced skirt) strikes me as modern.= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 10:41:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEfdJR029000 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KEfTcS030328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KEbd4v096175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEbacT072604; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX185Af/BaMTSuYInW2jBZXkIK94IfM9yURw@mail8.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEbXmm072539 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2KEbWDK028254 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:37:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 25058 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 14:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 20 Mar 2008 14:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <47E276AB.50209@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:37:31 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets References: <200803200416.m2K4Fn0t049332@net.indra.com> <001601c88a75$7b81a5c0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> In-Reply-To: <001601c88a75$7b81a5c0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fa23478-97fb-444b-b78b-ec8f28214dee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E27799.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:41:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > I think around 1525 is a safe bet for partlet as collar - see the > rudimentary > collared partlet on a couple of the Holbein sketches of Thomas More's > family. > For partlet as outerware, not partlet as shirt, they first seem to > appear as those > black things filling in the square neckline of late 15th century gowns, > but again > the collars don't appear to the 1520s or so. Thanks. This is consistent with what I expected; it's good to know I haven't made a glaringly erroneous assumption. The Holbein sketches are too, um, sketchy to use as visual aids unless you know what you're looking for. If you can think an image of one of those 1520s collars, please let me know (books are fine, in fact preferred to online), but don't go to extended trouble hunting it up for me! > Might the collar in question be a necklace? No -- I thought of that, but fortunately, there's enough color/material description to rule out that one from the context. Which leaves me looking at and describing Collar Styles Through The Ages. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 11:14:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFEh12029667 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:14:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KFEYqs021941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:14:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KFDwvn002145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFDuh2016614; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp18.kp.org [162.119.133.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFDpQn016492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m2KCCjb5016377 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:13:51 -0700 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:13:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200803200415.m2K4Fn0r049332@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:13:43 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/20/2008 08:17:03 AM, Serialize complete at 03/20/2008 08:17:03 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-03-20 - 08:13:51 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bee590c7-cac1-4e26-b3d5-66656d621ee4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E27F5A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:14:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The earliest partlet I can think of is Brugundian, "Portrait of a Lady" by Rogier Van Der Wyeden's workshop: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=ng1433 It's not worn on top of the dress, and its probably not as structured a partlet as you were thinking... there's not really a collar. For Italy try 1485, "Portrait of a Young Woman" by Domenico Ghirlandaio: http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/earlyflor/3flor5.html which I think is the clearest picture of an early Florentine coverciere (which gets translated as partlet) worn on the outside of the dress, although it's not the earliest portrait. There are a lot of other Italian pictures to choose from at: http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/earlyflor/portfolio.html Again, no collars associated with these partlets yet. For Spain, if you have a copy of _Hispanic Costume: 1480-1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson that would be my first go-to source. In Germany you get gollers with collars fairly early, but I don't know if you'd count those as partlets... they're as much mini-capelets as partlets. Here's an example: http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen/coleccion/ficha925.htm? You might scroll though the pictures on http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/ to get an overview. Unfortunately the links to the earlier versions of gollers don't seem to be working. BTW, a lovely image of a German partlet worn outside of the dress is http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_image.aspx?image=ps278657.jpg&retpage=21768 but it's _long_ after your time frame of interest (1547) Hope this helps! -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 11:23:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFNjNM029975 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:23:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KFNesx029124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KFN8H2003726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFN362028360; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp18.kp.org [162.119.133.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFMwFu028261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m2KCCjcb016377 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:22:58 -0700 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:22:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200803201238.m2KCcpP7038913@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 11:26:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFQJ2H030094 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:26:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KFQCE1028834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KFPrVu004067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFPoBA031686; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+yxSea1YnJgHbnDS89OdBSUtGb2edQ6WQ@mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFPdVX031405 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2KFPcbV007171 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:25:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 8893 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 15:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 20 Mar 2008 15:25:38 -0000 Message-ID: <47E281F1.10106@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:25:37 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Partlets References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60dba0e2-babd-4a54-ae24-d90717feb7f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E28214.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:26:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org wrote: > The earliest partlet I can think of is Brugundian, "Portrait of a Lady" by > Rogier Van Der Wyeden's workshop: > http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=ng1433 > It's not worn on top of the dress, and its probably not as structured a > partlet as you were thinking... there's not really a collar. Could easily be a scarf rather than a partlet (or any garment specifically sewn to shape) as such, in fact. (much really good detail snipped) > ...but it's _long_ after your time frame of interest (1547) Actually, very helpful, as all this verifies my sense that collars as standalone garments are understood to show up much after the period I'm addressing, and that they also seem to come from a different line of evolution (e.g. first there's shoulder-wraps and they grow collars, rather than collars separating themselves from garments). This list is great. Thanks, all! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 11:57:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFv8C6031337 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:57:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KFv28g001407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:57:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KFuEe4009411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFuAEV070333; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18US/uNYHnfLjVxwOCqxFKz6ylUqjt487k@mail7.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KFu3PC070200 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1d.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.169]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2KFu0M3015804 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:56:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 14324 invoked by uid 80); 20 Mar 2008 15:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by 209.237.134.178 with ESMTPA; 20 Mar 2008 15:56:00 -0000 Message-ID: <47E2890F.2090903@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:55:59 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Painting ID? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65f84f2b-dcb2-4d9f-a378-5b9d19bd8685 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E2894E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(I have to take conventional slides of a bunch of these images for my presentation.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 12:23:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KGNIjS032390 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KGN8hX009386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:23:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KGLbmG014363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KGKn1L003509; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KGIJBX000317 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1078376waf.3 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=V4euHoYRSzsuO8hihV4u8vuhGF0OKnvOdS4Hq3IMdSI=; b=uUWx1zK2/a9wOe3fCAz0hElm5Li/K58/u9x37SUn2kMfe9OSEH2HKm+BeGcwx5aSXD7SIKUh9dt4OfIVYmrywScWo1bowSFuJKxJwwN3i3OhvIg3eyz8aMBtX7gXfxqlMYr76Z1ECGTfZU2EiXp/SVq/fM5F7f6SzxloRicII2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WSVelUY805qUQEtaT0K5GnHB1WSLl7FDHapIXHxzdC5wJHi1d2wiZHuynCOV4tJU/GQkM5ruQ4j8tnxw/O5TjEWjUicUo+X888PyglEoMlooyX8y8MXsUBLhoC/U1M4Lu/X4SVvjqf4XaIADArMhnl3QBoKH8NVaWNn+UZalMdk= Received: by 10.114.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr3929749wac.26.1206029972938; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.166.4 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0803200919p246e21c3vd3f47d07438118e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:32 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: need advice on making a standing collar In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080319224228.02866eb0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080318195728.XHYE19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <870801590803181501w32f19cb1kb33be47c31773e6f@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080318222849.070960d0@pop.radiks.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080319072853.037aeab0@suziclarke.co.uk> <6.2.3.4.2.20080319224228.02866eb0@pop.radiks.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23d586c9-3b10-46ff-8fd7-72fee92a05c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E28F6C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, the smaller ruffled one is atop the large smooth one. I noticed that too. LynnD On 3/19/08, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > > No, not really - two? I don't / didn't see that. > > Sandy > > Thanks to all for your suggestions - researching now! > > At 10:05 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote: > >A lot of it depends on the style of dress. I made one for the > >Suitable Gown for Her Majesty presentation that worked great. It > >just slide into the front of the rolls created by the outer gown > >"lapels." I will look for a picture and post it. My websites are > >just fubar right now and probably will be for awhile. > > > >Can you show us a picture of the dress you are making? > > > >Sg > > > >P.S. I am assuming also that you realize there are two > >collars/ruffs there right? > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 12:56:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KGuNkF001165 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:56:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KGuDQW005926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:56:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KGtdbn020937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KGtSHf050127; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KGtEM3049581 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d4d.18964daf (42808) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:55:01 EDT Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba5ba8d3-4f32-410d-a3a6-8dda333edcbd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E2972D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone make a doll that is similar to a real 18th century fashion doll...y'know, carved of wood, painted with enamel, kinda quaintly crude? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 13:22:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KHM6SB002479 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:22:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KHLt8I019799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:21:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KHKnZv026139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KHKXWp084149; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KHJheO083201 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A6BD24C3F1 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 3BD924C3E6 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FADB24009B for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:19:36 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:19:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. thread-index: AciKq6j+ibkKiIYGRa2YbyxiK31sLwAAkZzw References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3b25f1c-30c9-422c-bb66-08962e7c806c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E29D33.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:21:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I remember one of my doll magazines featuring a maker of 18th style wooden dolls. But they don't come cheap--I think they were maybe $400 undressed and $750 up dressed. Theriault's sold some exclusives, but I don't get their catalog anymore. I believe they still have an online store. While I love the BJD's and covet at least one in my lifetime, it won't happen without a lottery. Volks Super Dollfie now has a factory store in L.A., which if one has the $$, you can have a doll made from start to finish per your specs from their full-choice system. Cindy Abel.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:55 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. Does anyone make a doll that is similar to a real 18th century fashion doll...y'know, carved of wood, painted with enamel, kinda quaintly crude? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL=20 Home. =20 (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=3D15?ncid=3D= aol hom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 13:31:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KHVcPP003012 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:31:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KHVTRk023994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:31:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KHUgr7028001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KHUebw097873; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KHUZHo097766 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6D34E2E8342 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 025262E80FD for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8F4240094 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:30:34 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. thread-index: AciKq6j+ibkKiIYGRa2YbyxiK31sLwAAwtOQ References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 559a457d-d194-43d9-b9c2-a7d77494659b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E29F71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:31:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO She isn't exactly ball-jointed, but I just got a little 10 1/2 doll named Momoko that I've wanted for years. I got her from Cherished Friends for $109.00 including shipping. She is a Japanese creation now manufactured in China. She is 1/6 human scale, but that works out to about 5'3", rather than Barbie's 5'9" She reminds me of Francie(Barbie's Modern Cousin from the mid-60's)and has a more realistic skin tone than most U.S. dolls who appear to live at the tanning parlor or who are addicted to all-over spray tanning. Tonner Company Store has a new Ultra Basic Tyler(16")in three hair colors for $50+shipping. Tonner also makes 22" American Model dolls that sell for around $100 for a basic doll, if you can find one as Tonner produces them in limited editions of 300-500 for basic and dressed dolls. Doll manufactures are starting to cut back on doll lines and production numbers, in view of the present economy so an American Model might be more difficult to get. I managed to finally snag a basic doll last year. Cindy Abel =20 =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 14:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIAF7t004663 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:10:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KIA5Vi028717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KI9iYl035057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KI9eQ2047782; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2KI9a5e047556 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52680 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2008 18:09:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qA/yxt+7yxGYLXn0VqcSjRJCOWkQiUlBlcn6qXXmyutIA0nEtGWTko0vpJ0Vg3AQqNnVsn7lB0MsKx6Fhd44BpLS/ZVJE7u4FtiqK7u/INrE2peCIoHi0o7MkTq/m+clafBz0G2WgBDgjqX/AAW/IcP0krz62+3z4eFWweGjQ1M=; X-YMail-OSG: cAuvb2YVM1mK7i9FdD27k5XkZSSduDB1hOK5pUVsVYhxnPM5xWvVgTq18__SYAL_WTYr6kYomIiwQXSezACNZzAOtn1dOuH.4euZfqQl1s2Jm6Yt2FA- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:09:30 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:09:30 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200803182059.m2IKxAo3007413@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <490732.52406.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1617c6af-2770-4e46-8d34-e89669e78cdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E2A87D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Be wary of exageration, too, of course. There's an early description of an Irish woman with a brooch the size of a dinner plate, which seems pretty unlikely. A buckler is fairly small, but still. Maggie --- Genie Barrett wrote: > At 01:12 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote: > >So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss > (meaning the > >round metal stud-like thing in the middle of a > small round shield) > >from c. 1400 England? I have no idea if any > artifacts exist, but I > >know that shields with central bosses are evident > in artwork. Rather > >than just look at illuminations and guess, though, > I would feel > >better consulting people who work in armor of this > period and have a > >broader sense of the available evidence. > > > >Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a > written work > >(period document or a modern study), an extant > artifact, or an > >expert who has studied these well enough to be > considered an > >authority (e.g. not just "this is what works for me > when I make > >them" or "my Laurel says..."). > > > I have no proof, but from the pictures I've seen, > and the shield boss > I use, I would say it's just larger than the man's > fist with a gauntlet on. > > Sorry, not very definite, but you don't want one > bigger because the > shield slips around too much. > > Good luck > Genie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Writing, editing, razzmatazz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 14:13:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIDP0j004775 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KIDGVW017107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KI7lNv034576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KI7cMe044981; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KEaTX4071021 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:36:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W51 ([65.55.138.86]) by bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:36:24 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:36:24 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200803201112.m2KBCawH053525@net.indra.com> References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <47E1A7A0.7030501@kabelfoon.nl> <200803201112.m2KBCawH053525@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2008 14:36:24.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5A9E640:01C88A97] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Ball jointed dolls-why did you get into them? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e952875e-d856-4d25-87c5-06f888744154 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E2A93C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a friend who has one. I drafted a couple of patterns for it, for he= r. I'd love to own a couple of them. But I ran into the stated problem wi= th the torso...rats. (Same problem I have with the Kyoto Manikins at my loc= al museum) Maybe we could gang up and make them make a couple of period to= rsos!=20 =20 If you search in Yahoo, you will come up with about 64 groups which discuss= them. This is the one I belong to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OurSilen= tFriends/ =20 They are pretty active (though I am not). =20 I understand some folks think they are creepy, but I am very attracted to t= heir androgyny for some reason (hmmmm maybe that is too much information - = huh?) =20 =20 There are several books out there that are really "Art" books of the dolls = dressed up in all kinds of interesting costumes and "posed" - they are pret= ty cool. =20 Sg =20 =20 Y =20 > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:10:50 -0500> To: h-costume@indra.com> From: gil= shallos@comcast.net> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ball jointed dolls> > I wo= uld be very curious to know how many of us on the list are now > into BJDs.= How many of us got into them because of the possibilities > for costuming = them? I know when I talked my husband into letting me > get my first girl (= a Limhwa half-elf) I swore it would be my only > doll and I wanted her so t= hat I could make her all the costumes I > wanted to do but couldn't make fo= r myself for various reasons. One > year later and I have four dolls, two f= loating heads (it was five > until this past weekend - I just sold my Bobob= ie Sprite), and my > husband Michael has his first doll on layaway. My frie= nd Heather > doesn't call it "dollycrack" for nothing. ;-)> > However, back= to costuming, they really are ideal for it, with the > single drawback, of= the bodies being non-malleable so that when > making underpinnings such as= stays, it can be difficult to create the > correct the look even when usin= g them. Once I'm done my current > sewing commitments, I get to go back to = work on my 18th century stuff > for my girls.> > Cheers,> Danielle= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 14:14:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIEHVc004806 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:14:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KIE07h006185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KIDSUN035723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIDRSn053012; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIDNTv052806 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3VaT1Z00D1HpZEsA801y00; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:12:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3WDD1Z00A3kY7qX8a00000; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:13:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gYl_PqFW9oEA:10 a=uqwJfq6gAAAA:8 a=QVbEWZRuslF1PYWT3hsA:9 a=Cgw_uboAbG438Wsma8sA:7 a=_BcRzqQ2bSXV_CpLpDwYBbLmV-QA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Message-ID: <47E2A927.7090108@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:12:55 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: Preliminary Costume-Con 26 Program Listing is now up at cc26.info! 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Kevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 14:19:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIJ0WC004926 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:19:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KIIoP4008983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KIINdg036568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIIJlO059599; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:18:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIID1B059417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.228] (dial-209-148-99-228.sonic.net [209.148.99.228] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m2KIIAGj019806 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:18:11 -0700 Message-ID: <47E2AA63.9060901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:18:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? References: <200803192010.40035.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1607479-8eed-41e0-8a03-886d6c62aac5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E2AA8A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I didn't even realize it was a dress, I was only interested in the mechanics of the skirt. The modern "skirt tied together in places" look has been around for two or three years. I've not only seen many examples, I've bought a couple of dozen at least. There are many variants. The ties are usually twill tapes dyed to match the fabric, but sometimes they are ribbons or strips made of the fabric. Occasionally buttons and loops are used instead of ties. Usually the skirt is long or calf-length, but sometimes it is knee length or so. Usually it is pretty full to very full. Often it is a separate skirt, but sometimes it is the skirt of a dress, a tunic top, or a 3/4-length or longer coat or sweater/knit coat. Often the ties are meant to raise the skirt in a place or places, at will. Sometimes the skirt is made longer in back, on both sides, on one side, or occasionally even in front. (However, it is not made long enough to drag on the ground when not tied up, this not being very convenient for modern wear.) When the ties are tied, the skirt is leveled, more or less. But sometimes the skirt is made the same length all around, and the ties raise it unevenly. Sometimes the ties create a kind of bustle on the upper part of the skirt. Sometimes the ties are meant to pull parts together across the skirt, narrowing it at will. One simple variant where the sides of an A-line skirt are pulled across the front and tied with the side "points" together, is called an apron skirt. I'm also seeing a lot of "roman shade" tie skirts (you pull the ties up to ruche the skirt as much as desired at the bottom, and tie them together), or permanently ruched or elasticized skirts that have the same effect, except you can't un-ruche them. I believe the inspiration for these styles is the late 1860s through the 1880s, but they are not attempts at historic recreation per se. Designers/manufacturers that have been producing these styles include Ronen Chen (Israeli), Hanna/La Journee, Spirithouse, Surrealist, and numerous others, especially some European manufacturers. Sometimes this is marketed as part of a layered style called "lagenlook," which I believe to be German for "layered look," but the term has caught on in English to some extent. I see it a lot on eBay, especially with international sellers--the "lagenlook" seems to be popular in both Germany and England. XCVI Wearables has made a lot of the elasticized ruched-up skirts. The full European "lagenlook" involves things like wearing a long skirt and also either a shorter skirt or a tunic top, one or all of them tying up in some way, and possibly a big drapey sweater on top of it all. Websites that often carry skirts in the tied styles include www.artfulwears.com and www.2chicboutique.com. Ebay sellers that carry it include guaranteed_authentic_ fashion (they specialize in drapey knit versions of the lagenlook), and many others. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 14:51:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIpN7N006865 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:51:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KIpCZW023057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:51:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KIocAT044178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:50:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIoaVu005058; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.america.net (qsmtp1.america.net [69.60.160.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KIoV7R004938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200803201850.m2KIoV7R004938@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp1.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JcPqQ-0006JI-EZ for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:50:30 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:38:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question In-Reply-To: <490732.52406.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200803182059.m2IKxAo3007413@net.indra.com> <490732.52406.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 531ce17c-b298-451c-8c8e-2fb6c33177ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E2B220.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:51:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:09 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >Be wary of exageration, too, of course. There's an >early description of an Irish woman with a brooch the >size of a dinner plate, which seems pretty unlikely. A >buckler is fairly small, but still. > >Maggie Yes, but I have seen Celtic broaches that ARE the size of a shield boss. That famous penanular-looking one, can't remember the name, that is in the Irish Museum of Art. (The same museum that the Shinrone gown is in.) That was at least six inches across. My shield boss isn't much bigger than that. Though I won't argue that exaggeration is a very likely thing in some cases. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 15:25:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJPP6X007524 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:25:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KJPCXE012546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:25:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KJONXI050094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJM31T046927; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJLNrs046112 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep50.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080320192121.CVNC3980.fep50.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:21:21 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080320192121.YPRX24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: <20080320192121.YPRX24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200803181802.m2II0tDL076552@net.indra.com> <20080320073226.GAQM22041.fep22.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] for Bjarne Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:21:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.232] at Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:21:20 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001201c88abf$93cc5e50$e843a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5612db12-45ad-4db2-8902-3e89bcedae4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E2BA18.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:25:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks a lot Joy, ill try it, Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: [h-cost] for Bjarne > Hi Bjarne you may find these people helpful. They are very friendly and > full of fantastic advice > http://www.tudorgroup.co.uk/ > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 15:31:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJVh45007864 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:31:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KJVSFN016706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:31:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KJUH9s051252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJUDr7057751; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJU4nE057542 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080320193002.BSMT29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:30:02 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.232]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080320193002.YPWD19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:30:02 +0100 Message-ID: <20080320193002.YPWD19228.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080319195145.YCBL24200.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080319235407.EKAV11715.fep26.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: Ball jointed dolls was:[h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Deredere, Thanks for the link to your dolls, they are lovely. It is for sure, that you get addicted to this, i am up into my neck in inspiration to make lots of clothes, and i cant waite til i get this dress finnished and shipped away so that i can make some in my own taste............. Those french fashion prints i found online some time ago, are screaming at me, do me do me! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Ball jointed dolls was:[h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. > Welcome to the club! > Do you know that they can be awfully addictive? > A friend of mine who also has ball jointed dolls send me a website from > that friend of yours. > I told her that I knew you from this list. > > I am still working on a 19th century dress and tomorrow I will order her > wig with ringlets. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Dolls/BJD.html > > My darkelf is from dollzone en my girl is from Luts http://www.eluts.com/ > She is a senior delf and she is slightly more mature than other models. > She poses beautifully. > They are wonderfull to take pictures from. > Oh i forgot Losboll it is a flooting head not sure if it is he or she. > I experiment on it to get better on face painting. > http://85.17.225.57/202500001-202550000/202519501-202519600/202519562_6_Guec.jpeg > > Her you can probably vieuw some more pictures of them. > http://deredere.hyves.nl/ > > I love them.... With the ones I have I can change wigs, eyes and eyelashes > even the face paint if I really want. > > Yea totally addictive :-) > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: >> Dear all, >> I feel terrible because i have not answering all your wonderfull >> suggestions and comments on my coming projekt. >> I am burried in work right now, and i have saved all your replyes for me >> in a folder, so that i dont miss anything. I wil probably have some more >> questions later when i start the projekt. >> One thing is sure though, i reall have to travel over to the manor to >> have a close look at the portraits, to se if i can find more details, and >> ill take my camera with me. >> Its frustrating when you have something on order and working with it, >> then have another important order and you dont have the time to make >> research. I must do this later. >> >> If anybody wonder what i am doing right now, i can tell you that i meet a >> guy in Canada on Livejournal, who collects big asian ball jointed dolls >> 60 cm high. He asked me to make Marie Antoinette clothes for his dolls, >> and as i didnt have any dolls to meassure from, he suggested we made a >> swap, he sended me a doll, and i am going to make a dress for one of his >> dolls. I started it, and its quite fun. Really it takes much longer time >> than i figured it would, but its also because i am so critical in >> details. I am going to make the dress from Moreau Le Jeunnes print "Les >> Adieaux". So far i have made a fully boned corset and a pannier for it, >> right now i am embroidering the pannels for the dress. >> See more here: >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm >> >> Also i finnished Guy d'Ancours waistcoat: >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/guy_d.htm >> >> And i am also making a 1740 corset laced center front. >> >> Two buisy! >> >> Bjarne >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 15:55:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJtrZQ008920 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:55:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KJtih4023225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:55:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KJtKlt055590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KJsvx0090096; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2KJsqnw089906 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 6786 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 19:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.173.100 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 19:54:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8AxppsMVM1m0IwtY1wP88ynFYg6yh6pU._sG9NbG9VaN25fWvfvSIdQGF18VG50ws7.m7G.i_Uuo6euVv3oMwfZjIkCgK36wEy9TPn35ko.cW1cclPjR X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000601c88ac4$35d9fa00$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:54:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c25e5fd-f0bf-44cb-8f5c-5fc3c84383a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E2C140.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The 2006/07 issue of "Dolls and Teddy Bears featured the master crafter Peter Wolf's 18C dolls, 12 in all. They range frpm $3200 plus to $650s. Impressive lot. dollmasters.com will put them before your eye! For myself, I made a 10" cloth lady doll and gave it the Crackle treatment. On more than one occasion, she has passed for wood!! (The crackle treatment involves painting the doll form with brown or any other base color; this is overpainted with the crackle compound and white paint is applied while the crackle coating is still somewhat wet. When it dries, it "crackles" to reveal the base coat. Voila, old wood!) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. I remember one of my doll magazines featuring a maker of 18th style wooden dolls. But they don't come cheap--I think they were maybe $400 undressed and $750 up dressed. Theriault's sold some exclusives, but I don't get their catalog anymore. I believe they still have an online store. While I love the BJD's and covet at least one in my lifetime, it won't happen without a lottery. Volks Super Dollfie now has a factory store in L.A., which if one has the $$, you can have a doll made from start to finish per your specs from their full-choice system. Cindy Abel. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:55 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. Does anyone make a doll that is similar to a real 18th century fashion doll...y'know, carved of wood, painted with enamel, kinda quaintly crude? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aol hom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 16:11:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKB7qc009445 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:11:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KKB1Hm010222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:11:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KKAcJH057872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKAaOB010399; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n21.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n21.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id m2KKAW0V010182 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.179] by n21.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2008 20:10:25 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.118] by t5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2008 20:10:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp223.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2008 20:10:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 473065.44517.bm@omp223.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19105 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 17:21:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o5FST1zujrrpOmqpvPDvNra/24pAvn77VhAby7IwrGx+75Gap0Ol/1jJ/u0sgAxXnxs+vsLBfh2JOPtVEphiMFuVr/12dsTiYf83fGezVwuil9kFxHe9eEBAr6DXpj0R3IeRHmHwV7/qxeZcvtb+0M6GEt3UOb5CLvVvcdYP230= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.216.61.109 with plain) by smtp105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 17:21:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dTI_nWMVM1ljRXl8qmxeSgzgzdQB3bNtVCb0MWp2hL5.VkUFJi1VaKqx2xVUq6M5RrYaZnk8AGiL2idEG00ZSKrw57Wn.RZYCRF6t4JqlyDH1HtT X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47E29CEF.7070902@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:20:47 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? References: <47E186F7.7000405@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1e74068-cdab-4378-8ab8-62efbc573fb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E2C4D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As far as I know, it's not intended as a way of keeping your skirt out of the mud. But on the other hand, it's not a permanent, sewn arrangement, it's definitely something done with cords that you can either loop up or let down. It would be nice if there was any evidence of someone wearing the same dress different ways on different occasions - like you sometimes get diaries or accounts showing that sleeves could be interchangeable in Tudor times. I don't know that much detail of the period. Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Jean, these aren't "tied" up per se with the intention of letting them down to train are they? > Sg > > > > >> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:34:47 +0000> From: waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?> CC: > > This is similar to one method of making the Polonaise, in the 18th> century: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87.htm> > Jean_______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 16:29:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKTHQF010010 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:29:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KKTBnS015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:29:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KKSH2D060067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKS8aj031061; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKS2c5030965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.228] (dial-209-148-99-228.sonic.net [209.148.99.228] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m2KKS0aT015643 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:28:01 -0700 Message-ID: <47E2C8D2.3030102@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:28:02 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:29:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the late 1860s there were various methods of looping up a skirt with ring/drawstring arrangements or buttons to make it look different over an underskirt. My book _Reconstruction Era Fashions_ shows some of them. In the 1880s it was common to "polonaise" tunics/long bodices, and overskirts, with ties (or sometimes with buttons); but an important reason was that the garment could be made much flatter to clean and iron, than if it were permanently bunched up. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Jean Waddie wrote: > As far as I know, it's not intended as a way of keeping your skirt out > of the mud. But on the other hand, it's not a permanent, sewn > arrangement, it's definitely something done with cords that you can > either loop up or let down. It would be nice if there was any evidence > of someone wearing the same dress different ways on different occasions > - like you sometimes get diaries or accounts showing that sleeves could > be interchangeable in Tudor times. I don't know that much detail of the > period. > > Jean > > > Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> Jean, these aren't "tied" up per se with the intention of letting them >> down to train are they? Sg >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:34:47 +0000> From: waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk> >>> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in >>> history before?> CC: > > This is similar to one method of making the >>> Polonaise, in the 18th> century: >>> http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87.htm> > >>> Jean_______________________________________________ >>> >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 16:34:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKYGfZ010715 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:34:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KKY511008356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:34:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KKXlad060946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKXjli037722; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKXgta037575 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d1f.1edeca39 (39952) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:33:31 EDT Subject: Re: Ball Jointed Dolls - was [h-cost] danish renaissance costumes. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b23837ae-b636-4274-ae4c-dde00195bdee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E2CA3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/20/2008 3:56:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: The 2006/07 issue of "Dolls and Teddy Bears featured the master crafter Peter Wolf's 18C dolls, 12 in all. They range frpm $3200 plus to $650s. ************* Nach...they cost a lot. This does not seem unreasonable to me....if you think about it: Carved [by hand?] from wood. Painted [by hand?] and then dressed [again...by hand?]. I mean....look at these: _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-630-=-SD-631.jpg_ (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-630-=-SD-631.jpg) These were just what I was thinking about. I love 'em! **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 16:44:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKib5h012271 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:44:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KKiTde025713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KKi5ka062498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKi3Tb050252; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KKhv7G049999 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c2d.2e66ac57 (39952) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:43:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18 century dolls by Peter Wolf X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3422e31a-9d70-4cd3-ad62-a27ba124de41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E2CCAE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here are links to the other 18th century fashion type dolls made by Peter Wolf on the web site. These are great fun! _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-312.jpg_ (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-312.jpg) _http://dollmasters.com/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=2094_ (http://dollmasters.com/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=2094) _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-387.jpg_ (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-387.jpg) _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-386.jpg_ (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-386.jpg) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 17:44:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KLiKlg019502 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:44:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KLiCoH030462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:44:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2KLhQKD070968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KLhLAk024528; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2KLgkWd023891 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 49D2E2E8300 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 973AA2E8118 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:41:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC259180072 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:42:45 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18 century dolls by Peter Wolf Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:42:45 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 18 century dolls by Peter Wolf thread-index: AciKyyXgq0pzab76RxOMA3+Km9lCvgAB9HoQ References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0e82ece-4a01-4edb-8ed3-448467eba0b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E2DAAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:44:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you Albert! I knew this was the artist I was thinking of. These are all handmade and probably better than the original dolls. I just love that the outfits are made from fabric scraps(or appear to be), just like many surviving originals. Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:44 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 18 century dolls by Peter Wolf Here are links to the other 18th century fashion type dolls made by Peter Wolf on the web site. These are great fun! =20 =20 _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-312.jpg_=20 (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-312.jpg)=20 =20 _http://dollmasters.com/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=3D2094_=20 (http://dollmasters.com/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=3D2094)=20 =20 _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-387.jpg_=20 (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-387.jpg)=20 =20 _http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-386.jpg_=20 (http://dollmasters.com/images/SD-386.jpg)=20 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:51:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > I would be very curious to know how many of us on > the list are now into BJDs. > > Danielle I am currently clothing one of my bjds in 1880s style clothing skin-out. Her figure is reasonable for the period, though a little flat chested. Better than my own figure works, though I also am making 1880s for me. I have an 1830s figure. What I'll do to dance. :) Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 22:54:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L2sXAw000902 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2L2sSPM018913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:54:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2L2rWXx008494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L2rTcu098688; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:53:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L2rP5a098649 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 239D5550B5 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:53:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Armor question Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200803201850.m2KIoV7R004938@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2b5edcf-83e1-45e9-9ee8-3d75df107241 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E32364.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:54:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Tara brooch? http://tinyurl.com/ywblmo http://www.haverford.edu/engl/faculty/Sherman/Irish/brooch.htm I'm not sure if it is the pin that is 7" long or that the brooch is 7" in diameter. -----Original Message----- At 01:09 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >Be wary of exageration, too, of course. There's an >early description of an Irish woman with a brooch the >size of a dinner plate, which seems pretty unlikely. A >buckler is fairly small, but still. > >Maggie Yes, but I have seen Celtic broaches that ARE the size of a shield boss. That famous penanular-looking one, can't remember the name, that is in the Irish Museum of Art. (The same museum that the Shinrone gown is in.) That was at least six inches across. My shield boss isn't much bigger than that. Though I won't argue that exaggeration is a very likely thing in some cases. 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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 20 23:31:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L3VhM6001398 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:31:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2L3VYih011974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2L3VH1K013019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L3VEN4026129; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L3VB8Q026086 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCEE38069 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Armor question Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:32:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803202332.51640.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27859c9c-a3fa-4333-ac53-d8656d27c8c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E32C17.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:31:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 20 March 2008, otsisto wrote: > The Tara brooch? > http://tinyurl.com/ywblmo > > http://www.haverford.edu/engl/faculty/Sherman/Irish/brooch.htm > > I'm not sure if it is the pin that is 7" long or that the brooch is 7" in > diameter. It's the pin. The brooch is large, but not *that* large. I saw the original back when the Tara Brooch, the Chalice of Armagh, and some other Irish treasures were doing a US museum tour, about 20 years ago. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 21 00:09:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L49YKU001763 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:09:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2L49Tk8021489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2L48peW016807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L48n5b051606; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.america.net (qsmtp2.america.net [69.60.160.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2L48kCA051550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200803210408.m2L48kCA051550@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp2.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JcYYf-0004y9-Ar for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:08:45 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:05:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: RE: [h-cost] Armor question In-Reply-To: References: <200803201850.m2KIoV7R004938@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d78d096-024f-46e6-939b-c828d80c2ac1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E334F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 21 10:19:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2LEJkxw032734 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:19:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2LEJehO017583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2LEGedO086773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2LEGbFd066219; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2LEGZgk066082 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W38 ([65.55.138.73]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:16:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:16:30 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47E2C8D2.3030102@lavoltapress.com> References: <47E186F7.7000405@yahoo.co.uk> <47E29CEF.7070902@yahoo.co.uk> <47E2C8D2.3030102@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2008 14:16:30.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[285B5500:01C88B5E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86cb0f5d-5d5c-473e-bf68-321f8303a03e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E3C3FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My book _Reconstruction Era Fashions_ shows some of= them.> > In the 1880s it was common to "polonaise" tunics/long bodices, an= d > overskirts, with ties (or sometimes with buttons); but an important > r= eason was that the garment could be made much flatter to clean and > iron, = than if it were permanently bunched up.= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 21 21:35:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2M1ZTGi012750 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:35:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2M1ZOcc029373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:35:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2M1YuvO087010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2M1YpoL098919; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2M1Ykvf098825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JcsdB-0002uC-4F for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:34:45 +0000 Message-ID: <80DC394A7D9341198D8A3EF0FB323E6F@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:32:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Twill Weave X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 451de297-10de-4fdc-b06a-64fad1202a66 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E4625C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Serena Dyer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 22 10:18:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2MEIBCo032332 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:18:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2MEI5nw017398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2MEHRJv071946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2MEHMuL098489; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2MEHKJ3098358 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W36 ([65.55.138.71]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:17:14 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:17:15 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47E2AA63.9060901@lavoltapress.com> References: <200803192010.40035.cathy@thyrsus.com> <47E2AA63.9060901@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2008 14:17:14.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D886E50:01C88C27] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Lagenlook - was Anyone seen this in history before? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 364ef247-4b32-4716-99d1-f78eac9d5cec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E5151D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wow, this is completely new to me! Never heard of it. Thanks for the fashion update! Sg > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:18:11 -0700> From: fran@lavoltapress.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?> CC: > > I didn't even realize it was a dress, I was only interested in the > mechanics of the skirt.> > The modern "skirt tied together in places" look has been around for two > or three years. I've not only seen many examples, I've bought a couple > of dozen at least.> > There are many variants. The ties are usually twill tapes dyed to match > the fabric, but sometimes they are ribbons or strips made of the > fabric. Occasionally buttons and loops are used instead of ties. Usually > the skirt is long or calf-length, but sometimes it is knee length or so. > Usually it is pretty full to very full. Often it is a separate skirt, > but sometimes it is the skirt of a dress, a tunic top, or a 3/4-length > or longer coat or sweater/knit coat.> > Often the ties are meant to raise the skirt in a place or places, at > will. Sometimes! the skirt is made longer in back, on both sides, on one > side, or occasionally even in front. (However, it is not made long > enough to drag on the ground when not tied up, this not being very > convenient for modern wear.) When the ties are tied, the skirt is > leveled, more or less. But sometimes the skirt is made the same length > all around, and the ties raise it unevenly. Sometimes the ties create a > kind of bustle on the upper part of the skirt. Sometimes the ties are > meant to pull parts together across the skirt, narrowing it at will. One > simple variant where the sides of an A-line skirt are pulled across the > front and tied with the side "points" together, is called an apron skirt.> > I'm also seeing a lot of "roman shade" tie skirts (you pull the ties up > to ruche the skirt as much as desired at the bottom, and tie them > together), or permanently ruched or elasticized skirts that have the > same effect, except you can't un-ruche them.> > I believe the ins! piration for these styles is the late 1860s through the > 1880! s, but they are not attempts at historic recreation per se.> > Designers/manufacturers that have been producing these styles include > Ronen Chen (Israeli), Hanna/La Journee, Spirithouse, Surrealist, and > numerous others, especially some European manufacturers. Sometimes this > is marketed as part of a layered style called "lagenlook," which I > believe to be German for "layered look," but the term has caught on in > English to some extent. I see it a lot on eBay, especially with > international sellers--the "lagenlook" seems to be popular in both > Germany and England. XCVI Wearables has made a lot of the elasticized > ruched-up skirts.> > The full European "lagenlook" involves things like wearing a long skirt > and also either a shorter skirt or a tunic top, one or all of them tying > up in some way, and possibly a big drapey sweater on top of it all.> Websites that often carry skirts in the tied styles include > www.artfulwears.com and www.2chicboutique.com. Ebay seller! s that carry > it include guaranteed_authentic_ fashion (they specialize in drapey knit > versions of the lagenlook), and many others.> > Fran> Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns> http://www.lavoltapress.com> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 23 19:37:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2NNbLwZ032264 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:37:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2NNbDWb028370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2NNaS6h088310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2NNaODA065580; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m1HEwRS3067915 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d48.216fa0a4 (37228) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-916c47b84b7333b; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:57:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <8CA3E78B4EB1A40-1D0-2471@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-19--532707826 Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:57:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:36:23 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] now horse costumes, was: Cape May/Morris Co X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 712aba26-5d6c-432a-95ed-af95d55862d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E6E9A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:37:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --Apple-Mail-19--532707826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Some of us make simple "costumes" for Parades. We usually cover the bridle and reins with fabric or have a larger fancy saddle pad or flowers around the horses neck. A friend dressed as Raggedy Ann and her horse was Andy. She used a pair of old denim pants to fashion a pair of shorts for her horse's front legs. They attached to his breastcollar. She made leg wraps in a stripe for "socks". A child's Sailor Hat attached to his bridle at the top of his head completed his costume. Here we are at the Hambletonian Parade in NJ as Tropical Riders. It was JULY. Notice I have a banner on the side of my horse and am riding sidesaddle. My husband and his horse have flowers. We are wearing shorts. Not everyone dresses so silly. ( See the woman behind us? She is in standard Western Show Attire. Her horse is some sort of Champion.) --Apple-Mail-19--532707826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 16, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Do they > make costumes for horses? > > Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding =20 > (if it isn't armour). > > Patty > > _______________________________________________________________________=20 > _ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --Apple-Mail-19--532707826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --Apple-Mail-19--532707826-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 23 20:53:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2O0r0NT002649 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:53:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2O0qrXv017054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:52:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2NNavxT088352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2NNaus5065972; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from notesmail2.SJSU.EDU (notesmail2-native.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2ANv91X083209 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-154.sjsu.edu ([130.65.8.251]) by notesmail2.SJSU.EDU (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.2FP1) with ESMTP id 2008031016415384-126348 ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:41:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: fbtours@cc26.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:41:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NotesMail2/SJSU(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 03/10/2008 04:41:53 PM, Serialize by Router on NotesMail2/SJSU(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 03/10/2008 04:57:11 PM, Serialize complete at 03/10/2008 04:57:11 PM X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:36:23 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 26 F&B Tours info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0fc985a-a051-4069-a4f2-d11c0aec652a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E6FB65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you been asking yourself "Why should I go to San Jose for Costume-Con?" Well, you should go to San Jose because Costume-Con is there. While = you're in San Jose, though, the Bay Area beckons with unique = opportunities for fun. If you're in to decadent food and beverage, = we've definitely got you covered. Come out a day early. Check in to our hotel on Wednesday night, = because on Thursday morning (4/24) chocolate awaits! It's about an hour's trip to Berkeley, but it's worth it. Scharffen = Berger Chocolate Maker is a first-tier chocolate manufacturer, = starting with the raw beans and controlling every step in the process = of making the best small-batch chocolate in the country. After the = tour, we'll take lunch at Caf=E9 Cacao, right in the Scharffen Berger = factory. From lunch we'll continue the short jaunt from Scharffen Berger to = St. George Spirits, a cradle of craft-distilling in the US. Located at = the northwest end of Naval Air Station Alameda (a site familiar to the = fans of Mythbusters) in an old hangar, St. George Spirits is classic = Schwartzwald, Germany transplanted to California. Under the St. George = name, J=F6rg, Lance and their crew distill eaux de vie, liqueuers and a = superb single-malt whisky. Their recent Absinthe release rocked the = spirits world. They're also well-known for distilling the "Hangar One" = series of flavored vodkas. In a partnership with John Scharffenberger, = they produce "Qi" tea liqueurs and "Essence of Cacao" perfume. Taste = carefully. If a chocolate maker and a distiller aren't enough, you'll have to = wait until Tuesday (4/29). They're more than enough for any single day. If you stay until Tuesday, you can ensure your California visit is = complete. Our Tuesday food & beverage tour is wine tasting. Forget = Napa and Sonoma, though; they're a long drive and expensive to boot. = Much closer to San Jose is the Livermore Valley, home to Lawrence = Livermore Labs and the oldest wine-growing region in California. Livermore is still a town of boutique wineries where 5000 cases a year = is big production and folks squander their retirement making small = amounts of great wine. Bent Creek Winery is a great example of this, = run by best friends who retired from the Livermore School district, = and wizards with Syrah. Cedar Mountain Winery has been making wine a = bit longer, and this pair of retired physicists from Lawrence = Livermore Lab are well-known for their award winning Cabernet = Sauvignon and Merlot. Finally, it wouldn't be Livermore without = someone who retired from the wine business to run a winery, and Thomas = Coyne Winery, housed in the oldest standing winery in California, has = made a name working with ugly-duckling grapes like Malbec, Petit = Verdot and Mourv=E9dre. We'll be stopping at all three, and (like almost = every day in almost every tasting room in Livermore) the wine makers = will be present. Please, plan to stay the extra days and enjoy the region. As the = convention approaches, we'll be working out the logistics of these = trips. If you're interested in going on either tour, email fbtours@cc26.org On the web: Costume-Con 26 http://www.cc26.info/ Scharffen Berger Chocolate Makers http://www.scharffenberger.com/ Caf=E9 Cacao http://www.cafecacao.biz/ St. George Spirits http://www.stgeorgespirits.com/ Hangar One Vodka http://www.hangarone.com/ Bent Creek Winery http://www.bentcreekwinery.com/ Cedar Mountain Winery http://www.wines.com/cedarmountain/cedarmtn.html Thomas Coyne Winery http://thomascoynewinery.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 10:09:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OE9VCA029928 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:09:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OE9HcV022160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OE8ZNw086571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OE8Ux6066622; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp8.kp.org [162.119.242.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OE8RWi066524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m2OCrjcU028498 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:08:24 -0700 Received: from cscrdngat003.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:08:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200803211800.m2LI05mg044051@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:08:18 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY03/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/24/2008 07:08:20 AM, Serialize complete at 03/24/2008 07:08:20 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-03-24 - 07:08:24 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting ID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f5427ac-ee4e-4bc8-aaa8-a9fba6524f5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47E7B60D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Robin, I was wrong,_Virtue and Beauty: Leonardo's Ginevra de' Benci and Renaissance Portraits of Women_ does not have the Bronzino portrait you were asking about - it was a different green dress from that time period :-S I'm afraid I couldn't find a book with the portrait you're interested in. Sorry! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 11:38:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OFcP1u002629 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:38:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OFcESO016991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:38:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OFattd001674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OFaqJh076548; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OFantD076353 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W27 ([65.55.138.62]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:36:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.197.65] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:36:44 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <8CA3E78B4EB1A40-1D0-2471@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2008 15:36:44.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD5D3A00:01C88DC4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] now horse costumes Link? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 410b8c61-0fe7-446f-a4fe-5a81830c6396 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E7CAE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:38:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Was there supposed to be a link attached to this for a picture? There was none. Sg > ( See the woman behind us? > She is in standard Western Show Attire. Her horse is some sort of > Champion.)> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 12:17:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OGHBSC004261 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:17:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OGGulF007273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:17:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OGAPEI006743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OG3T6Y010943; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OG386G010509 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2775769pyc.4 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr13614527qbh.24.1206374608388; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.1 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:03:28 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" , "John & Nancy McIlwee" , "Chris Imershein" , "Dawn Sanks Imershein" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] dressmakers in SC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e342722-e1c2-4289-8a17-31a0373aa6ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E7D3F8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:17:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I got an inquiry from someone in South Carolina who wants an 1860s wedding dress. Does anyone know of a historical dressmaker anywhere near South Carolina, or one who could do such a job long distance? She says she's been looking but hasn't found anyone, but likes the dresses she's seen on my site. I can't take on such a job at the moment, but said I'd ask around for a recommendation. Thanks. Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 13:58:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OHwA60008546 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:58:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OHw5l3004666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:58:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OHvGFj039723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OHvBJ3037669; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OHv8ud037513 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bcd.23fc4815 (37581) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB056-92cd47e7eb5c2cd; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <8CA3E78B4EB1A40-1D0-2471@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A9F3@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Message-Id: <0513e12473a855a1bea6a1291ec7c473@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:43 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] now horse costumes Link? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52c2c780-dca7-47a5-abc7-23063636c6c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47E7EBAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:58:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There was a photo. I will post the photo under Pasovasz. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Was there supposed to be a link attached to this for a picture? There = > was none. > Sg > > > >> ( See the woman behind us? > She is in standard Western Show Attire. = >> Her horse is some sort of > Champion.)> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 14:19:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OIJOMZ009291 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OIJDJg022669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OIIXea046047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:18:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OIIWxQ069301; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/BVQQD8RnWbeCZBis/BtNvWhdzJUeDC5k@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OIITZi069224 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.190]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2OIIPnK023002 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:18:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 23185 invoked by uid 80); 24 Mar 2008 18:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.41.213.169) by wmailnode1l.webmail.web.com with ESMTPA; 24 Mar 2008 18:18:25 -0000 Message-ID: <47E7F06F.7080405@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:18:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting ID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b72ef7c-ff2c-4e4c-80ac-6b3fec065cc8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E7F0A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:19:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO otsisto wrote: > I seem to be catching the tail end of this so...if you are looking for a > specific Bronzino painting, perhaps you can look here > http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/bronzino_agnolo.html Thanks -- I had posted an online unidentified image and asked for help identifying it (which a bunch of people were able to do instantly!). I did not know at the time it was Bronzino's, or I wouldn't have needed the clue! I also asked where I might find a published version in a book, for purposes of making a (conventional) slide for a lecture. I think I'm covered in this case, as I've found another image that will serve as an example of my point even if the Bronzino doesn't turn up in published form. It occurs to me that it might be useful at this point to repost these two links: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume/ Not terribly useful for conventional archive searching, but very useful if you miss some posts and want to go back and see the recent discussion. I use these sites a lot because I tend to delete threads that don't appear to be in my area of interest ... and then sometimes I'll catch a post later that makes me want to read the previous messages for context. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 16:34:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OKYxkh014101 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OKYoHF014982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OHwZnV040086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OHwYj0039551; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OHwVUI039495 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 636713AFEA for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:58:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting ID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fabb7fa3-673a-4bfb-8fb3-6a6003ccfc0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E8106A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I seem to be catching the tail end of this so...if you are looking for a specific Bronzino painting, perhaps you can look here http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/bronzino_agnolo.html A mention of a Bronzino green dress, here are two http://tinyurl.com/36o9od http://festiveattyre.com/research/secondflor/secflor5.html For Bronzino you are looking for the 1530s (roughly) De -----Original Message----- Hi Robin, I was wrong,_Virtue and Beauty: Leonardo's Ginevra de' Benci and Renaissance Portraits of Women_ does not have the Bronzino portrait you were asking about - it was a different green dress from that time period :-S I'm afraid I couldn't find a book with the portrait you're interested in. Sorry! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 18:07:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OM7jN5017626 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:07:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OM7ai2018787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:07:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OM79ib087835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OM74P4080887; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OM72ZX080750 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:07:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1590845rvf.11 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr2659641rvf.95.1206396413521; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90803241506r6a2fac5bo5372886fdd8261f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:06:53 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] dressmakers in SC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 540c37dc-5e0a-4517-a757-e128b612508a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E82628.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:07:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I don't know if this helps but I found this web site some time ago and they look like they could do this type of work: http://www.originals-by-kay.com/ They are not in South Carolina but only a phone call away ;) Sidney On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Katy Bishop wrote: > I got an inquiry from someone in South Carolina who wants an 1860s > wedding dress. Does anyone know of a historical dressmaker anywhere > near South Carolina, or one who could do such a job long distance? > She says she's been looking but hasn't found anyone, but likes the > dresses she's seen on my site. I can't take on such a job at the > moment, but said I'd ask around for a recommendation. Thanks. > > Katy > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Visit Sid's "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" http://z900.piczo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 18:25:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2OMPBcX018244 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:25:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2OMP3M8023592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:25:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2OMOf5l090446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OMOfKs001808; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2OMObcH001753 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from GAPC (unknown [71.50.217.20]) (Authenticated sender: cschmitt@genteelarts.com) by smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3F01C803D for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:30:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:24:41 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts, LLC Message-ID: <001301c88dfd$db493730$91dba590$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AciNyPVjErqNvIowQPGztrbR7DqU4AANMrAQ Content-Language: en-us X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] dressmakers in SC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8203ff39-325e-4b2b-94b9-ccc322193168 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E82A3F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You may contact her at nimbleneedlereproductions@charter.net Carolann Schmitt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 24 19:03:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2ON3at3020239 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:03:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2ON3Th7011891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:03:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2ON2ttM098038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2ON2sYF053809; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2ON2pCk053766 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A80973B0A9 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:02:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <47E7F06F.7080405@netherton.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Painting ID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2d6d289-598f-4003-b806-16e8ace54071 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E83341.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:03:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks!. :) -----Original Message----- It occurs to me that it might be useful at this point to repost these two links: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume/ Not terribly useful for conventional archive searching, but very useful if you miss some posts and want to go back and see the recent discussion. I use these sites a lot because I tend to delete threads that don't appear to be in my area of interest ... and then sometimes I'll catch a post later that makes me want to read the previous messages for context. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 04:31:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2P8VCbx005056 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:31:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2P8V2hw003669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2P8UUgb052015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2P8URSP013738; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2P8UNBW013705 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200803250830.m2P8UNBW013705@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5LEq1Z0020S2fkCA200a00; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:29:18 +0000 Received: from NunnWeinberg1.comcast.net ([24.118.252.121]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5LWL1Z0022duwnL8V00000; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:30:22 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DNw5F2GC1PfTcVD0Pv8A:9 a=nxX85TGRPsXNaeSV32vRmjpCYLcA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:28:09 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <432863.71526.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200803201112.m2KBCawH053525@net.indra.com> <432863.71526.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c9636ce-5b2b-4bd2-bb7a-e4e5bf7f11e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E8B846.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:31:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 08:51 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >--- Danielle Nunn-Weinberg >wrote: > > > I would be very curious to know how many of us on > > the list are now into BJDs. > > > > Danielle > >I am currently clothing one of my bjds in 1880s style >clothing skin-out. Her figure is reasonable for the >period, though a little flat chested. > >Better than my own figure works, though I also am >making 1880s for me. I have an 1830s figure. > >What I'll do to dance. :) > >Ann in CT I recognize your name from DoA. :-) I'm planning on getting back to the 1780s red & white striped polonaise from the Kyoto Costume Institute (and book) for one of my BJDs (my Limhwa half-elf to be precise). I have a red and white striped silk taffeta that is too narrow a stripe for me but, a perfect size for her. I wish we had dance groups and the like out here in Minnesota but there isn't much besides the SCA. Cheers, Danielle (gilshallos on DoA) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 07:17:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2PBH3tj001352 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:17:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2PBGvU3010605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:17:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2PBGPId072224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PBGPOe063377; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PBFg9i062681 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3185402pyc.4 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.242.7 with SMTP id u7mr16054012qbr.59.1206443760264; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.1 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070803250416sec6fb02vbcdcbafce5e279a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:16:00 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <001301c88dfd$db493730$91dba590$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> <001301c88dfd$db493730$91dba590$@com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] dressmakers in SC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcee61b4-7462-46df-a181-be852b2ac838 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E8DF29.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:17:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks. I'll forward all this info to her. Katy On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Carolann Schmitt wrote: > I can recommend Lynn Cogdill who lives in Spartanburg, SC. You may contact > her at nimbleneedlereproductions@charter.net > > Carolann Schmitt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 07:17:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2PBH7l3001371 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:17:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2PBH2gA012636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2PBFnlV072061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PBFimC062723; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PBFg9h062681 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3185402pyc.4 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.15 with SMTP id b15mr10694062pym.0.1206443742162; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.1 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070803250415s7e6ba9c3s570d91f329feb3bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:15:42 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <674184e90803241506r6a2fac5bo5372886fdd8261f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3586f5070803240903p4012ded3k272833b7e792c4d1@mail.gmail.com> <674184e90803241506r6a2fac5bo5372886fdd8261f0@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] dressmakers in SC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f60c5862-4621-4757-bdf6-d4943876531b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E8DF2E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks. I'll forward all this info to her. Katy On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, S Young wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know if this helps but I found this web site some time ago and they > look like they could do this type of work: > > http://www.originals-by-kay.com/ > > They are not in South Carolina but only a phone call away ;) > > > Sidney > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Katy Bishop wrote: > > > I got an inquiry from someone in South Carolina who wants an 1860s > > wedding dress. Does anyone know of a historical dressmaker anywhere > > near South Carolina, or one who could do such a job long distance? > > She says she's been looking but hasn't found anyone, but likes the > > dresses she's seen on my site. I can't take on such a job at the > > moment, but said I'd ask around for a recommendation. Thanks. > > > > Katy > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Visit Sid's > "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" > http://z900.piczo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 18:49:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2PMnf10000761 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2PMnYrp008271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2PMn4AJ011327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:49:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PMn0jE075823; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PMmwGU075762 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1872261rvf.11 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr3870329rvd.261.1206485337533; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.127.15 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:48:57 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ae36df1-ea17-4707-b2e6-7f26aa01c224 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47E9817E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've just purchased the Period Impression Tea Bodice Pattern #403 and am looking for examples in portraits etc. I've seen a few modern examples, but nothing historical, and want to make sure that I make it to the correct period. I can't find any examples in my godeys picture collection either, but it is not too extensive. Does anyone here know of any pictures that can help me in my research? http://www.jamescountry.com/patterns/periodimpressions/new/ppi45.jpg Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 18:56:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2PMu3re000998 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:56:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2PMtvni006375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:56:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2PMtenG012583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PMte0u082715; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PMtcaw082691 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so1283030nfd.41 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.139.14 with SMTP id m14mr27753567hud.40.1206485736692; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0803251555j4395fc5cmc76c330920864524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:55:36 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0452ae56-f995-486b-8e6c-0a0597f250d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E982FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:56:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That looks to be the picture from the 1863 bodice from Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion, copied line for line except for the scallop decoration. I don't know the pattern #403 or the company Period Impression, but that's what you've got. LynnD On 3/25/08, Aylwen Garden wrote: > > I've just purchased the Period Impression Tea Bodice Pattern #403 and > am looking for examples in portraits etc. I've seen a few modern > examples, but nothing historical, and want to make sure that I make it > to the correct period. I can't find any examples in my godeys picture > collection either, but it is not too extensive. Does anyone here know > of any pictures that can help me in my research? > http://www.jamescountry.com/patterns/periodimpressions/new/ppi45.jpg > Many thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 19:05:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2PN5mfg001382 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:05:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2PN5h6t012223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2PN0Qoc013928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PN0Q8u088303; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2PN0NOS088192 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so5570127mue.2 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr28099632hud.19.1206486018255; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0803251600s3b817a19t406c3cbbf50f0bbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:18 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8296995c0803251555j4395fc5cmc76c330920864524@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8296995c0803251555j4395fc5cmc76c330920864524@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b87f1e0-7087-45ab-8a43-0bace46a5df4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E98547.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:05:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I should have asked if anyone has made this pattern - am I way off in my opinion? LynnD On 3/25/08, Lynn Downward wrote: > > That looks to be the picture from the 1863 bodice from Janet Arnolds > Patterns of Fashion, copied line for line except for the scallop decoration. > I don't know the pattern #403 or the company Period Impression, but that's > what you've got. > > LynnD > > > On 3/25/08, Aylwen Garden wrote: > > > > I've just purchased the Period Impression Tea Bodice Pattern #403 and > > am looking for examples in portraits etc. I've seen a few modern > > examples, but nothing historical, and want to make sure that I make it > > to the correct period. I can't find any examples in my godeys picture > > collection either, but it is not too extensive. Does anyone here know > > of any pictures that can help me in my research? > > http://www.jamescountry.com/patterns/periodimpressions/new/ppi45.jpg > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 20:36:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2Q0afwe004996 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2Q0aZCa001021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2Q0ZsDU030846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2Q0ZqE3079537; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu139-omc3-s9.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s9.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2Q0ZnCp079415 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BLU136-W19 ([65.55.162.189]) by blu139-omc3-s9.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:35:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.59.220.167] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:35:43 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8296995c0803251600s3b817a19t406c3cbbf50f0bbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296995c0803251555j4395fc5cmc76c330920864524@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0803251600s3b817a19t406c3cbbf50f0bbd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2008 00:35:44.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[53912E10:01C88ED9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d2f09d5-322f-4855-ba49-1ad80feecbc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47E99A93.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't seen anything extant that looks like the PI Tea Bodice, but I've hardly seen every surviving original garment from that time period. My own experience with that pattern line is that they are basically modified modern patterns--the shoulder line, armscye, side seams, and back construction are not consistent with the cut of garments from the time periods they are attempting to portray, so I don't use this particular line. I suppose it depends on if you're looking for a costume or want to make a reproduction that's consistent with extant clothing examples. If you want to make a costume, it doesn't really matter. If you want a reproduction piece consistent with the cut and tailoring of the time period, you won't get it from this pattern. My nickel, for whatever it's worth. LuAnn > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:18 -0700 > From: lynndownward@gmail.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question > > I should have asked if anyone has made this pattern - am I way off in my > opinion? > LynnD > > > On 3/25/08, Lynn Downward wrote: > > > > That looks to be the picture from the 1863 bodice from Janet Arnolds > > Patterns of Fashion, copied line for line except for the scallop decoration. > > I don't know the pattern #403 or the company Period Impression, but that's > > what you've got. > > > > LynnD > > > > > > On 3/25/08, Aylwen Garden wrote: > > > > > > I've just purchased the Period Impression Tea Bodice Pattern #403 and > > > am looking for examples in portraits etc. I've seen a few modern > > > examples, but nothing historical, and want to make sure that I make it > > > to the correct period. I can't find any examples in my godeys picture > > > collection either, but it is not too extensive. Does anyone here know > > > of any pictures that can help me in my research? > > > http://www.jamescountry.com/patterns/periodimpressions/new/ppi45.jpg > > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 25 21:16:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2Q1GJ1H006459 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:16:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2Q1GCeW015026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:16:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2Q1FlLW037280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2Q1FkAQ014997; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2Q1FhJ8014950 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so4520513wxc.23 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr4001217rvn.294.1206494141987; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.127.15 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:15:41 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Researching Folk Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb401d92-7e42-4d6b-a67a-50d69b0618d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47E9A3DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 10:30:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QEUNEo022914 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:30:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QEUC5A026248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:30:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QETboW026319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:29:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QETXYw010817; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:29:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QETUmk010651 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d46.258a7612 (39330) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:28:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:28:46 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2823c81b-9c52-4a51-b536-bf80f6bfc319 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EA5DF4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/25/2008 7:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynndownward@gmail.com writes: I should have asked if anyone has made this pattern - am I way off in my opinion? LynnD ***************** Yes. I have made the gown from "Patterns of Fashion"....using the book as a guide [it was almost the right size] not a commercial pattern. It was for a film we did in Richmond for The Family Channel back in 1995 called "Tad"... about Abe Lincoln's young son and seeing the goings on in the White House during the Civil War through his eyes. It was worn by actress Jean Louisa Kelly in the role of Julia Taft. That was an interesting project. I also made a Union general uniform for the character of Tom Thumb.... that's right, for a midget. And a gown I made from cafe curtains ended up on Jane Curtin....which I still have and call "The Jane Curtin Curtain Dress". **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 10:41:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QEfMEY023334 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:41:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QEerGr009104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:41:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QEZJhB027292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QEZIWV018099; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QEZFpe017937 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:35:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c8b.261d9ab9 (39330) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:35:05 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05647add-eef5-4684-89d6-65c8dd959cd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EA6076.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:41:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/25/2008 8:36:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, luann_mason@msn.com writes: haven't seen anything extant that looks like the PI Tea Bodice ************** Again....it is taken from an extant garment and completely worked out by Janet Arnold in "Patterns of Fashion, vol. II"....it's the 1st gown in the book. There is a complete pattern and a view of the inside of the bodice. Pages 20 & 21. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 10:54:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QEsfh0023911 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QEsYKR006964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QEn9WT029573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QEn9sT034407; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QEn6o0034263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:49:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182]:1879 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JeWw0-0001uF-UC for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:49:01 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080326144542.0377ea58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:48:55 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45046a12-e28f-463e-a96b-6e0252e1d844 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EA63AA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 14:35 26/03/2008, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/25/2008 8:36:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >luann_mason@msn.com writes: > >haven't seen anything extant that looks like the PI Tea Bodice > > >************** > >Again....it is taken from an extant garment and completely worked out by >Janet Arnold in "Patterns of Fashion, vol. II"....it's the 1st gown >in the book. >There is a complete pattern and a view of the inside of the bodice. Pages 20 >& 21. I've actually seen this gown for real - and made a copy, using the Arnold pattern for a starter. The dress is rather an odd shape - the lady appears to have a 44" bust, and a very small waist, from what I remember - not noticeable in the drawings. It's a very pretty chine (sorry accent missing) silk, in a mauvey shade, and is very attractive. I would not call it a tea gown, just a day dress. Tea gowns, to me, are a much later fashion. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 12:06:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QG68kH026764 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:06:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QG5wYN019350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:06:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QG5IC0043787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QG5FN3044408; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QG5D2s044353 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so1427659nfd.41 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.81.20 with SMTP id e20mr301023hub.64.1206547510841; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.12 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0803260905r2ee6dec2hb3ae60adf08cc216@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:05:10 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080326144542.0377ea58@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080326144542.0377ea58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18cb0373-311c-487c-be48-7d6d99b3ec4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EA7466.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have made the dress from Patterns of Fashion too; it was my first Victorian costume - and didn't know I wasn't good enough to make it correctly at the time. It did eventually fit and I wore it for 4-5 years at the Dickens Fairs in San Francisco. That's why I recognized the picture so quickly. However, I meant that I had never made the PI pattern and wondered if anyone had any experience with it and any of the other PI patterns. LynnD On 3/26/08, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > At 14:35 26/03/2008, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 3/25/2008 8:36:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >luann_mason@msn.com writes: > > > >haven't seen anything extant that looks like the PI Tea Bodice > > > > > >************** > > > >Again....it is taken from an extant garment and completely worked out by > >Janet Arnold in "Patterns of Fashion, vol. II"....it's the 1st gown > >in the book. > >There is a complete pattern and a view of the inside of the bodice. > Pages 20 > >& 21. > > I've actually seen this gown for real - and made a copy, using the > Arnold pattern for a starter. The dress is rather an odd shape - the > lady appears to have a 44" bust, and a very small waist, from what I > remember - not noticeable in the drawings. It's a very pretty chine > (sorry accent missing) silk, in a mauvey shade, and is very > attractive. I would not call it a tea gown, just a day dress. Tea > gowns, to me, are a much later fashion. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 13:15:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QHFXRs029372 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:15:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QHFRDK029123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QHEb6p056816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:14:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QHEZSM036938; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QHEVvu036834 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5mlK1Z0031GhbT8520Jq00; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:13:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5tEP1Z00E3kY7qX3T00000; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:14:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Wj0pZ3Se_-YA:10 a=uqwJfq6gAAAA:8 a=fsjIN3bGNfSNh9TbFAcA:9 a=pgZVRNWRdh1bcdFut3Yioaf0RUgA:4 a=fJTnq2h_to0A:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=3Ahs3qObWKwA:10 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Message-ID: <47EA83FE.1070308@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:12:30 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] [Reminder: CC26 Historical Masquerade Pre-registration] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fb1df82-9ead-4355-b97c-bbb8f3fe1735 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EA84AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The Historical Masquerade will take place on Sunday, April 27th, 2008. To enter the CC26 Historical you must be a member of CC26, as must all models you may plan to use. We are expecting to have a particularly large number of entries for this Costume-Con, as the Bay Area has so many opportunities for historical costuming. Because of that, we would like to encourage interested costumers to pre-register, even if you only think you will have a garment completed in time. You can submit a registration form, or contact the masquerade directors to express your interest. Deadline for submission by mail: April 15th, 2008 (registration forms can be obtained on the Costume-Con 26 website). Deadline for registration at the con: 8 p.m. Friday, April 25th, 2008, but please don't wait in case we are unable to accept all submissions due to space/time limitations. Thanks, and we are looking forward to a very wonderful historical masquerade at CC26! Eleanor Farrell and Shelley Monson Masquerade Directors CC26 website: http://www.cc26.info email: histmasq@cc26.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 16:50:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QKoBup005663 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:50:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QKo4gN013951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QKnGvR019140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QKnDb9049863; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QKn94R049639 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaisondeHadley@aol.com) Received: from MaisondeHadley@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bff.333a4611 (39954) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: MaisondeHadley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:48:55 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e670e63b-1e46-490a-a5e2-7c55c851afe0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EAB6FC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/25/2008 5:41:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, luann_mason@msn.com writes: I haven't seen anything extant that looks like the PI Tea Bodice, but I've hardly seen every surviving original garment from that time period. My own experience with that pattern line is that they are basically modified modern patterns--the shoulder line, armscye, side seams, and back construction are not consistent with the cut of garments from the time periods they are attempting to portray, so I don't use this particular line. I suppose it depends on if you're looking for a costume or want to make a reproduction that's consistent with extant clothing examples. If you want to make a costume, it doesn't really matter. If you want a reproduction piece consistent with the cut and tailoring of the time period, you won't get it from this pattern. I second LuAnn's comment and would further add that if you are serious about constructing a dress like this, you are better off drafting the pattern from Patterns of Fashion 2 than using the Period Impressions. The Period Impressions pattern is NOT copied line for line from the one in the book. Be prepared, because a properly made reproduction isn't going to be cheap and its a style that isn't highly common or appropriate for all situations. The original the pattern draft in the book was taken from is silk, and one which would have been expensive even in its time, and IIRC the dress is fully lined in silk as well. There isn't really much of a way around it--its a high fashion garment, made out of high end fabric, worn by a woman who had the means to wear such things. If you're willing to devote the time, money, and patience to recreating this dress as it really should be, it would be kinda cool to see at some sort of indoor living history event if your impression is of a wealthy upper class lady who regularly wears expensive, trendy clothing. If, however, the draw to it is the trim emulating a jacket and you want a dress for at a battle reenactment, IMO you would be better served in making a dress of a lightweight (i.e. tropical weight, challis) wool dress with a regular high neckline and trimming it to look like there's a jacket. The postillion back wouldn't be inappropriate here, either. This shows up in fashion plates, but more importantly, you see it in CDVs and original garments. That would more common than the Watteau necked bodice in POF2, and would be more serviceable for event wear, especially out of the lightweight wool depending on what region of the country you're from. The Period Impressions #403 is seen en masse at most events around the country, and 9.5 times out of 10 out of a cotton calico fabric. Frankly, they just look wrong to a trained eye because the style is taken out of its context and made in the wrong fabric off a poorly drafted pattern and its being worn in the wrong setting. And to be more to the point, cotton doesn't drape and fit a figure like a period silk would. So like I said, if you spend the money to make it out of silk, it would be downright gorgeous to see if all of the variables fit to your impression. But the style doesn't lend itself to battle reenactments and after the investment you'd put into it you probably wouldn't want to, either. Just my $.02, Joseph **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 19:21:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2QNLGCn010813 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:21:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2QNLBo1031353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:21:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QNKaZi060590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QNJsVG051590; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2QNHpWw049538 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2409 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2008 23:17:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3P1S_WQVM1nyMZGgjQJD0IIyesD8JDrJwi086ToNNk_pZ8QCCJRfwM7XLNEDPO1gQR18wYCE1fG0MuTYoziD_iMnz41ohs87s083Z2gF7XPZQjn08HU- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:17:46 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <62565.1482.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b762ede-17bb-46b6-be49-2eef05d3141f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EADA67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, I am looking for some help, mostly because I am finding only a few images of the following style of short over long skirts (long kirtle, with short gown skirt) for the early Henry VIII Tudor era. I am thinking that maybe it may have been a medieval style, but I am barely familiar with styles before the 1500s. So, I am hoping others here might have insight into this particular fashion design. This was also crossposted to SCA-Garb LJ community & mailing list, so I apologize if seeing it here is annoying. So, is the following a Tudor or medieval fashion style? http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/ MaryLouisXIIDtl5.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/23j8o7 ) http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/WithyAltrSUrsula1514.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/23qzew ) I've been seeing shorter gown skirts over long kirtle skirts in a couple of Tudor images. I believe Jane Malcolm-Davies has one of her effigy images that is in a shorter over long skirt style. I've checked her site again, and her server is down for me. will check back later). I knew of the image from the illumination, which is why I scanned it in (the one on the left). Another from an illumination is here: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1500/H8StNicholasMaidens.html (http://tinyurl.com/2yfyqz ) The first two images above are from 1514. Both are of English subjects, but painted from outside of England. First one is a detail from an illumination of Mary Tudor (the French Queen) and King Louis XII of France (illuminator unknown). This is one of the ladies in waiting. The second is a side panel of an English subject, a merchant tailor named Paul Withypool, as a donor painting. The artist is Italian, Antonio da Solario. This is from the side panel of the triptych with St. Ursula (according to one web site description of the triptych). The image of the lady in waiting to Mary is what started me on the hunt, ever since I saw it in one of my history books on the Tudors a few years ago. Is the image of St. Ursula complete fantasy? I have been warned images of saints often are. Is the style based on medieval styles? Since I don't know much about medieval styles, could it have been a style seen in earlier medieval images? Anyone know? I am smitten by the St. Ursula image for some reason, and want to reproduce it for SCA wearing (or Faire, if it is Tudor appropriate). But me, the historical costumer, am unwilling to break "the rules" and get laughed at, for wearing what did not actually get worn during the Pre-17th century time period. And while a part of me is thinking of making & wearing it anyway, I would prefer if I can somehow document it before I take the time to make it. And if it is medieval, and not Tudor, that's ok, too. And if it is pure fantasy or "ancient" in style, I will deal. Any suggestions, other images or links, and comments are welcome, and appreciated. Kimiko Small www.kimiko1.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 20:00:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2R00EO9011545 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2R006ht027188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QNsGIw064732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QNsE0p082926; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2QNsBU1082793 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W45 ([65.55.138.80]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:54:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.200.18] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:54:05 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2008 23:54:06.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACFF1ED0:01C88F9C] X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Those wrap around pants? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43226764-6ac9-45ba-91fc-ee70dcafffce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EAE386.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anyone direct me to the name or a pattern of those baggy wrap around and tie at the waist pants you see at "ren" fairs? Thanks,Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 20:02:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2R02Bw7011567 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:02:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2R026da028103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:02:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2R01p5Y065543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R01oxI089658; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R01i9R089508 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W24 ([65.55.138.59]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:01:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.200.18] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:01:38 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2008 00:01:38.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAF53A50:01C88F9D] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Those wrap around pants? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 465a5590-1998-46d3-94f9-dcc1f3cbc5a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EAE3FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:02:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oops, I should have googled first...these are not the Bali or Indian wrap arounds. As I recall they had a drawstring at the bottom of the leg. Sg > From: wickedfrau@msn.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:54:05 -0700> Subject: [h-cost] Those wrap around pants?> > Can anyone direct me to the name or a pattern of those baggy wrap around and tie at the waist pants you see at "ren" fairs?> > Thanks,Sg> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 20:21:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2R0LH16011956 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:21:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2R0LBDD030987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:21:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2R0KaFd068031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R0KYpT007436; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R0KSmb007348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F3924009 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:20:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47EAE849.7080909@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:20:25 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <62565.1482.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <62565.1482.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b31c8e32-c766-4c90-bf18-3aacd7447be7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EAE878.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm fairly sure it isn't medieval -- I can't think of an example which shows a short skirt over a long one, although it should be noted that *many* people making modern versions of medieval clothing wear them this way*. I'd be very interested to hear if anyone on your other email lists come up with a medieval source for it. There are some cases where long skirts are tucked up showing the undertunic skirts, but that's not the same thing. The jewels at the hem might be something only seen with saints' clothing. Not sure -- perhaps Robin will opine on this one. *In fact, one time I saw a group of women put on their shifts, then a long skirt, then a short nylon petticoat over the skirt, then a short overtunic, the petticoat serving to stop the shorter overtunic from riding up on the long skirt. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 26 20:31:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2R0VX5k012123 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:31:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2R0VBdU004279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:31:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2R0URcU069486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R0UQZW016944; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2R0UNQA016819 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19484 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2008 00:30:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P95GBwMVM1luJIw9GFRxumxrnvWjWYaKUHR_7HPe6fj_FdGHg5UGV77WeMevw8hJ4P9tIs6nYP8yr6JoHJiQAUO1UkcKHsE1ULLWgAJvBAv7W.4E1TU- Received: from [69.183.50.249] by web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:30:17 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <62565.1482.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <900052.18971.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 835a36f4-1070-46f9-9355-cedaadd92e6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EAEACF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:31:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Kimiko Small wrote: > few images of short over long skirts (long kirtle, > with short gown skirt) > > Kimiko Small I see many images of short skirts over longer ones, and every one is allegorical. This doesn't count tucked-up skirts, like one of the maidens in the St. Nicholas illumination you cite. So, I suppose a tucked-up skirt later redrawn by one of the many costume historians who didn't/don't "get it" might show a short over long skirt arrangement not on a Ste., Queen, Goddess, etc.. So, not "real", unless you were dressing for a real Masque, like Drea's Queen of the Amazons on the Elizabethan Costuming Page. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 01:13:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2R5DWpm016860 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:13:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2R5DQ9l015858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:13:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2R5CvpC094251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R5CpZ7079833; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2R5CnIx079808 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so5302669wxc.23 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.132.8 with SMTP id j8mr727950rvn.218.1206594768438; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.127.15 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:12:48 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94047645-2e58-44d1-8142-85176dcb5de5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EB2CF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am busy making another renaissance dress for my daughter, so am asking if anyone might be able to help me with some sewing. Our dance group needs 15 white cotton blouses with full/puffed sleeves to the elbow, elastic and then some lace that extends past the elbow. It is a blouse similar to what the Hungarian, Polish & German female dancers wear. I've seen some on square dance sites but there are too many ruffles around the neck for us. Thanks, Aylwen Bordonian Heritage Dancers _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 09:56:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2RDusTx016049 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:56:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RDunYk020026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:56:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2RDuHVr056047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RDuCta041012; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RDuA3i040888 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:56:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cfb.2d19d1ba (48576) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:56:04 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea Bodice question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae73e2a5-7c6b-459b-b94b-8f98536aae69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EBA7A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:56:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/26/2008 4:49:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MaisondeHadley@aol.com writes: IMO you would be better served in making a dress of a lightweight (i.e. tropical weight, challis) wool dress with a regular high neckline and trimming it to look like there's a jacket. ***************** Or actually make a gown with a separate jacket. That would offer you mare "looks" y'know...gowns sans jacket.... Skirt and blouse with jacket.... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 14:32:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2RIWlYA022172 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:32:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RIWZe5002314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2RIVwBG011928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RIVs1c098751; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RIVo8X098595 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bbe.25632443 (37555) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-da06 (webmail-da06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.201]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-92b347ebe80b12d; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:31:39 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:31:39 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 199.89.158.130 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: appin1@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD Received: from 199.89.158.130 by webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:31:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA5E4FEE62082A-A84-EC4@webmail-da06.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Those wrap around pants? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df39c4e5-4dd5-4c84-8c3b-651c292099ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EBE843.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think you mean "sarouelles." The Sarouelles Pattern #119 is available from Folkwear. Several styles are included. Kathleen Norvell -----Original Message----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 7:54 pm Subject: [h-cost] Those wrap around pants? Can anyone direct me to the name or a pattern of those baggy wrap around and tie at the waist pants you see at "ren" fairs? Thanks,Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 16:08:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2RK8sk3002386 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:08:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RK8mIo029969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2RK8CMa034830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RK89t9039985; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RK86sI039901 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE2D35E803F8; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:06:05 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c89046$3fa75320$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciPyQ7TxgtmOuUwTVeV9Zkb2L5XFQAfSLeQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 218d47dc-25b6-454e-b88e-85eded21eb70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EBFED0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:08:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Where are you and by when do you need them? Sharon in California -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] A plea for help I am busy making another renaissance dress for my daughter, so am asking if anyone might be able to help me with some sewing. Our dance group needs 15 white cotton blouses with full/puffed sleeves to the elbow, elastic and then some lace that extends past the elbow. It is a blouse similar to what the Hungarian, Polish & German female dancers wear. I've seen some on square dance sites but there are too many ruffles around the neck for us. Thanks, Aylwen Bordonian Heritage Dancers _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 18:15:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2RMFnOa005137 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:15:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RMFiZw026771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:15:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2RMFEkS053720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RMFBj1095097; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RMF8gO094935 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RMF2wQ012177 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:15:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] OT-ish... Tudor and Elizabethan printing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a323f3a-1759-4de6-99cd-a64444de893c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EC1C90.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:15:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I need some help (or you can translate this to "I'm feeling too lazy = to do the research myself right now"). I'm looking for two things: =95 Fonts: anybody know any good renaissance-y fonts? I'm looking for = something that is both relatively period-accurate for Tudor and = Elizabethan printed books, broadsheets and handbills, and something = that the less-than-educated viewer will think "Oooh, old!" when they = see it. Free preferred, but feel free to recommend commercial fonts. = OpenType preferred, but feel free to recommend TrueType or PostScript. =95 Tudor & Elizabethan printed things: Books, broadsheets, handbills = and signs. Yes, of course, facsimiles preferred, and online sources = preferred. At work I've got access to a number of academic online = collections, so feel free to recommend restricted services; I might be = able to get to them. Andy Trembley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 19:52:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2RNq0sE006566 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:52:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RNprCX018669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2RNpJHH063440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RNpGKl097872; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2RNpEb0097837 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so4870346wfa.23 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr1920719wff.88.1206661873532; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:51:13 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <000001c89046$3fa75320$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c89046$3fa75320$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 983edd0d-5569-4e20-8c55-6151363bfb7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EC331A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We are in Australia but I buy a lot from the US. I would prefer to buy from US or Australia, not the UKas our dollar is too weak against the pound & euro. I've found a few pictures of what we need. The bodice/waistcoat will be black, blouse white cotton with cotton lace (so it can be bleached later) and the full circle skirt purple with gold trim. Ideally bodice black wool, but that may be too expensive, so a solid cotton twill lined with cotton, black eyelets for lacing up. If anyone cares to quote for a whole outfit that would be fantastic. We need 15 of these but have a limited budget, so we can sew trim on to save costs & hem the skirts. I have to pay for all this myself as the students can't afford it. If I can pay off in instalments that would be perfect, and we'd need to do one as a dummy run to make sure its okay. I'm happy to pay for that one as well. We need to have these done by the end of July, so there is not much time. We want to use them in August and will be touring to New Zealand in September. http://costumes.lovetoknow.com/images/Costumes/0/0d/National_costumes.jpg http://www.pirkadat.org/photos/20041209/cp5+.jpg http://www.dvorana.cz/costumes_jp/turnov/tur-celek-1.jpg Cheers, Aylwen ps. so we get this off the list, please reply to my email at aylwengg@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 20:14:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S0Epss006910 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:14:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S0Ekf2029588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:14:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S0EU7a065380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S0ETdf020852; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S0ESel020830 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so4879712wfa.23 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.191.2 with SMTP id o2mr1921475wff.101.1206663267760; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:14:27 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c89046$3fa75320$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f26f571c-cb88-4930-81e2-6ebec5510a05 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EC3876.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:14:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Also, we've just thought to save time/costs we can use our cancan skirts as the skirts. The girls love their weight and swoosh. Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 20:45:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S0j4KF007786 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:45:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S0iwjf012959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:45:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S0ibPW067720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S0ia5W048352; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S0iXrF048305 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 103D155027 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:44:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] folkwear was: A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12500e4f-8b91-415c-ba49-6081afe784e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EC3F8A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:45:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO These look to be German/Austrian folkwear. Were Germans or Austrians a predominant immigrant nation in your area? dirndl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dirndl.jpg http://www.dirndl-dress.com/dirndlhistory.php http://www.lederhosen-aigner.de/html/dirndl.html http://www.dirndls.com/ http://www.mydirndl.com/12832/index.html -----Original Message----- http://costumes.lovetoknow.com/images/Costumes/0/0d/National_costumes.jpg http://www.pirkadat.org/photos/20041209/cp5+.jpg http://www.dvorana.cz/costumes_jp/turnov/tur-celek-1.jpg Cheers, Aylwen ps. so we get this off the list, please reply to my email at aylwengg@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 22:05:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S25XZL009468 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:05:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S25PxK018143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:05:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S24qus074556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S24nWh015577; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:04:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S24kN3015498 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so32894wfa.23 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.232.20 with SMTP id e20mr1902322wfh.187.1206669882011; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:04:42 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] folkwear was: A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c36be51a-8664-4df1-ad6a-603eca736e19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EC5265.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:05:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Our group is not completely historical, its a long story....... but elements of our history are actually Wend/Sorb. We have the pleasure of making the Bordonian National Costume for the first time. If you want to hear the whole story, I am happy to discuss it offline, but its all documented in some dance books my husband published recently. Cheers4now, Aylwen htp://www.bordonia.org On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, otsisto wrote: > These look to be German/Austrian folkwear. Were Germans or Austrians a > predominant immigrant nation in your area? > dirndl > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dirndl.jpg > http://www.dirndl-dress.com/dirndlhistory.php > http://www.lederhosen-aigner.de/html/dirndl.html > http://www.dirndls.com/ > http://www.mydirndl.com/12832/index.html > > -----Original Message----- > http://costumes.lovetoknow.com/images/Costumes/0/0d/National_costumes.jpg > http://www.pirkadat.org/photos/20041209/cp5+.jpg > http://www.dvorana.cz/costumes_jp/turnov/tur-celek-1.jpg > Cheers, Aylwen > ps. so we get this off the list, please reply to my email at > aylwengg@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 27 22:43:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S2hF9Y010273 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:43:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S2h99I000540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S2gmwO077550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S2gl1b046851; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S2gjl9046746 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JYF000QM670FB81@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:42:28 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-ish... Tudor and Elizabethan printing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6d9cd49-9364-4511-9398-7d4eebd91f96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EC5B3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:43:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Try "Blackadder" font -- always looks "old" or "Rennaissance-ish". Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT-ish... Tudor and Elizabethan printing I need some help (or you can translate this to "I'm feeling too lazy to do the research myself right now"). I'm looking for two things: =95 Fonts: anybody know any good renaissance-y fonts? I'm looking for something that is both relatively period-accurate for Tudor and Elizabethan printed books, broadsheets and handbills, and something that the less-than-educated viewer will think "Oooh, old!" when they see it. Free preferred, but feel free to recommend commercial fonts. OpenType preferred, but feel free to recommend TrueType or PostScript. =95 Tudor & Elizabethan printed things: Books, broadsheets, handbills and signs. Yes, of course, facsimiles preferred, and online sources preferred. At work I've got access to a number of academic online collections, so feel free to recommend restricted services; I might be able to get to them. Andy Trembley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 01:42:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S5gMb3013904 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:42:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S5gFka015568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:42:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S5fam9090574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S5fWSk084534; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2S5fSgI084447 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD83BHAAVP3UXA for (sender ); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:40:48 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssj5uTnwrjDk9k0HLBd94U8A= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NFCMF4XN; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:40:03 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20080327.223955.3172.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-38 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 14:7:4027187169 X-MAIL-INFO: 1597abdbabda9afada9aca4a9aca2b9b1fba87b75a33babe3bf35a13be172acfbef7aa7797ae97d363ca1a9a974a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-ish... Tudor and Elizabethan printing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3091745774177078363==" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f97a9eec-0d46-4887-9606-719cabbd79be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EC8537.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:42:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --===============3091745774177078363== Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Google "Jeff Lee's website" Jeff has some lovely late period fonts you can download for free. Arlys On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:15:02 -0700 Andrew T Trembley writes: > I need some help (or you can translate this to "I'm feeling too lazy > > to do the research myself right now"). > > I'm looking for two things: > • Fonts: anybody know any good renaissance-y fonts? I'm > looking for > something that is both relatively period-accurate for Tudor and > Elizabethan printed books, broadsheets and handbills, and something > > that the less-than-educated viewer will think "Oooh, old!" when they > > see it. Free preferred, but feel free to recommend commercial fonts. > > OpenType preferred, but feel free to recommend TrueType or > PostScript. > • Tudor & Elizabethan printed things: Books, broadsheets, > handbills > and signs. Yes, of course, facsimiles preferred, and online sources > > preferred. At work I've got access to a number of academic online > collections, so feel free to recommend restricted services; I might > be > able to get to them. > > Andy Trembley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --===============3091745774177078363== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --===============3091745774177078363==-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 02:40:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S6etiM000386 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:40:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S6enJG030673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:40:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S6eO4p094259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S6eMrd032050; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2S6eKMZ031935 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17487 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2008 06:40:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZFC9umYVM1nhnZjb9DqUGEfy8qsDCWfOfsFEQKyO Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:40:14 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <900052.18971.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <758689.17379.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1def2ea5-2df8-4c5e-a434-add7f717dd39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EC92F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:40:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you Ann, If you happen to have links to those images, or know of a book source with some, please let me know off list. I am going to collect them, so I can try to learn what's going on. And I could always make it up as a masque dress... masques were quite popular in Henry's court, and from what I am reading, those masquers got to keep their custom made outfits after the masque. Kimiko --- Ann Catelli wrote: > I see many images of short skirts over longer ones, > and every one is allegorical. > > So, not "real", unless you were dressing for a real > Masque, like Drea's Queen of the Amazons on the > Elizabethan Costuming Page. > > Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 02:47:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2S6la8F002867 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:47:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2S6lVL4013477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:47:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2S6l7FW094663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2S6l5OU037439; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2S6l1Vp037304 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29604 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2008 06:46:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zym2KTYVM1kEYtTMOAAbxzFFeR7Fkb3S6pz4EVdKvSKKZeA4LobIG9ezebWaPc4zfPnJCzsCqq2OPfmK1IJVpZDBqAf5v5MQVgF0ZCSb8NH7HG29Wd9vwKgLWDXU..fex9B24g-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:46:55 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47EAE849.7080909@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60566.29304.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7191f36f-5946-45ad-a7ef-b59897932ea5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EC9483.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Cynthia Virtue wrote: > I'd be very interested to hear if anyone on > your other email > lists come up with a medieval source for it. Thank you Cynthia. I am getting a few links, mostly 16th c., a few medieval (but on the longer end of short), and will be collecting them, then putting them on a page so I can sort through them and figure this thing out. I will post here when I do. Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 07:12:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SBCY4C009318 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:12:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SBCS8X006473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:12:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SBBpc9019024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SBBmPe065251; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SBBiVn065195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m2SBBiYK011379 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:11:44 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:12:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77da6686-528b-4b20-85c3-d50e98efdbb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47ECD29C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:12:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Can I just add that anyone who doesn't have a copy of this marvellous > book should really think about getting one as a standard reference if > they work on the 16th century, much like Janet Arnold's. I've had my > copy for about 8 years now, and it's one of the most useful books > I've ever had ( After reading the information above I went to the David Brown site to order another softback. Sadly they came back "haven't any more". I cried, I whined, I send pleas directly to Ian Stevens their friendly marketing director who just happened to be in England at the moment. He sent our into the dim reaches of Oxbow books warehouse and unearthed the last 5 copies they had. I say Had because I now have them. They are $70 each because David Brown charged $65 plus $5 shipping. If you want one I can let you have it for that plus the amount it will cost to media mail (or other, contact me) it to you. I'm also trying to get my hands on some others that aren't perfect, but can be made to have all the information. Now this is not an attempt to undercut either Oxbow, David Brown (my favorite form of Crack), or Mr. and Mrs. Bean. I desperately want this book back in print. The thing is that I believe that it would sell slowly but steadily in about 200 copies per year (or am I under/over estimating?). David Brown would be happy to handle the selling if it had the opportunity. Buying copies to the Editor/Translator/book publisher get money for more copies and Royalties for all their hard work is the only way to get this done. Anyway, if anyone wants a copy now, let me know and we can probably make a deal. Like Hilary, this is a book I wouldn't be without. The patterns are to scale and really work. It isn't a book for a new sewer. It may not even be a book for someone who hasn't worked with period style patterns before. Took me years to figure out what was going on with some of them, but then it's a Eureka! moment. Regina Romsey. P.S. If you live in England or a European country, you might try and contact Mrs. Bean directly. If they have more copies available themselves, I'm sure they would be happy to sell too! e: > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 10:20:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SEKIHr014202 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:20:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SEK6FJ007811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SEJOJJ035677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SEJLQI046101; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SEJHnb045956 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([151.203.65.123]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYG00JO32FH4FO2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:18:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:18:52 -0400 From: Jeanine Swick To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Historic Costume Message-id: <47ECFE4C.9060707@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Wright's FACTORY OUTLET - April sale and store closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc2bb128-54c2-4002-af8c-c9864fc5a37c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ECFE96.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For those of you in the area of Sturbridge, MA. Jeanine Last month to get cheap trim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Joyce Parker [mailto:JParker@Wrights.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:48 PM *To:* Joyce Parker *Subject:* FACTORY OUTLET Faithful Customers and Friends: We are sorry to announce that the Factory Outlet will be closing. We do not have a definite date yet so we will continue as usual until a decision is made. We are happy to say we are going forward with our spring fabric sale and will include all store inventory in the sale. Yes, even the closeout merchandise. Imagine the savings! Better yet everything will be reduced by 25% at the register. We are also extending the time. The sale will continue through April 25^th *.** Remember April 1**^st ** -25**^th **, 25% off.* Post the flyer below on your frig to remind you. Joyce Parker Manager *FACTORY OUTLET * *OUR ANNUAL SPRING SALE BEGINS * *APRIL 1st * *IS SPECIAL * *_ALL STORE MERCHANDISE _* *25% OFF * NO FURTHER DISCOUNTS ALLOWED _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 10:28:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SESff8014356 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:28:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SESVQ9005678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:28:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SES7FB036552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SES6JO055324; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SES3SI055156 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d22.20989add (37143); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-dd07 (webmail-dd07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.7]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA035-911747ed0063192; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:27:47 -0400 References: <47ECFE4C.9060707@woollycat.net> To: h-costume@indra.com, JKWAssociates@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:27:47 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 151.200.213.3 In-Reply-To: <47ECFE4C.9060707@woollycat.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.7) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:27:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA5EF7078993AA-114C-25F6@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wright's FACTORY OUTLET - April sale and store closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ebabe9d-fdae-4436-9af1-c3ac39001e5b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47ED008F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Arrrggghhhhh!!!! One of my very favorite places to shop!? More fun than a candy store!? I used to make a detour to stop there if I was anywhere in the vicinity.? So, yes, anyone who lives in the area--go once, twice, as many times as you can before they close. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Jeanine Swick To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com; F-Costume@yahoogroups.com; Historic Costume Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:18 am Subject: [h-cost] Wright's FACTORY OUTLET - April sale and store closing For those of you in the area of Sturbridge, MA. Jeanine Last month to get cheap trim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Joyce Parker [mailto:JParker@Wrights.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:48 PM *To:* Joyce Parker *Subject:* FACTORY OUTLET Faithful Customers and Friends: We are sorry to announce that the Factory Outlet will be closing. We do not have a definite date yet so we will continue as usual until a decision is made. We are happy to say we are going forward with our spring fabric sale and will include all store inventory in the sale. Yes, even the closeout merchandise. Imagine the savings! Better yet everything will be reduced by 25% at the register. We are also extending the time. The sale will continue through April 25^th *.** Remember April 1**^st ** -25**^th **, 25% off.* Post the flyer below on your frig to remind you. Joyce Parker Manager *FACTORY OUTLET * *OUR ANNUAL SPRING SALE BEGINS * *APRIL 1st * *IS SPECIAL * *_ALL STORE MERCHANDISE _* *25% OFF * NO FURTHER DISCOUNTS ALLOWED _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 10:42:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SEgtE7014715 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:42:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SEgmNW028042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SEbE1b037405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SEbEdV064882; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SEbBO2064745 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emfarrell@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.214.143] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JfFha-0000WS-2v for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:37:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Message-Id: To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Eleanor Farrell Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:37:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ELNK-Trace: af3926cf5a04b7d9e9ef466adc09f07e7e972de0d01da940b199187d55c4eb22274b9e211432063d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.214.143 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Reminder: Costume-Con 26 Historical Masquerade Pre-registration X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e1b58cf-67ad-4eb9-be03-6d2a699f45b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED03E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:42:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Costume-Con 26 Historical Masquerade Call for Entries The Costume-Con 26 Historical Masquerade recognizes creativity, scholarship, stage presentation, and workmanship skills in the context of historical clothing. It celebrates the history of costume, including all cultures, periods, and types of dress. "Historical costume" is costume based on clothing that was worn or could have been worn somewhere in the past of this world. The Historical Masquerade will take place on Sunday, April 27th, 2008. To enter the CC26 Historical you must be a member of CC26, as must all models you may plan to use. We are expecting to have a particularly large number of entries for this Costume-Con, as the Bay Area has so many opportunities for historical costuming. Because of that, we would like to encourage interested costumers to pre-register, even if you only think you will have a garment completed in time. You can submit a registration form, or contact the masquerade directors to express your interest. Deadline for submission by mail: April 15th, 2008 (registration forms can be obtained on the Costume-Con 26 website). Deadline for registration at the con: 8 p.m. Friday, April 25th, 2008, but please don't wait in case we are unable to accept all submissions due to space/time limitations. Thanks, and we are looking forward to a very wonderful historical masquerade at CC26! Eleanor Farrell and Shelley Monson Masquerade Directors CC26 website: http://www.cc26.info email: histmasq@cc26.org Please feel free to repost this announcement.... thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 11:06:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SF6KkC015194 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:06:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SF6C49013223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:06:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SF5mer040437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SF5kZ4095809; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SF5hh7095740 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080328150543.LRYT13611.fep53.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:05:43 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.191]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:05:43 +0100 Message-ID: <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:05:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.63.231.191] at Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:05:42 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001d01c890e5$2fe6bb20$bfe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec6b517a-de54-429a-b575-c0ebbdafbb21 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED0964.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:06:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As some of you had these dolls, my question is: Are there any groups you can join to talk about these dolls? Thanks in advance Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 12:02:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SG2V40016538 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SG2PkK019206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SG1nID058984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SG1lFu062213; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SG1hcw061989 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from IBMTHINKPAD [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A66102E8; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:01:37 -0400 Received: from IBMTHINKPAD ([71.182.167.18] helo=IBMTHINKPAD) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Mar 2008 12:01:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c890ec$ff53e930$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47ECFE4C.9060707@woollycat.net> <8CA5EF7078993AA-114C-25F6@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:01:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wright's FACTORY OUTLET - April sale and store closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82aaec3f-c2f5-4d60-a02f-818e8e313937 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED1691.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bummer!!!!!! Next to the Brimfield summer session, my annual shopping in northern Ma has been a longtime haunt for costume trim. Always great bargains for trims and notions and the unusual find. And wo could beat the automatic markdowns. SIGH Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wright's FACTORY OUTLET - April sale and store closing > > Arrrggghhhhh!!!! One of my very favorite places to shop!? More fun than a > candy store!? I used to make a detour to stop there if I was anywhere in > the vicinity.? So, yes, anyone who lives in the area--go once, twice, as > many times as you can before they close. > > Ann Wass > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeanine Swick > To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com; F-Costume@yahoogroups.com; Historic Costume > > Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:18 am > Subject: [h-cost] Wright's FACTORY OUTLET - April sale and store closing > > > > For those of you in the area of Sturbridge, MA. > Jeanine > > > Last month to get cheap trim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Joyce Parker [mailto:JParker@Wrights.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:48 PM > *To:* Joyce Parker > *Subject:* FACTORY OUTLET > > Faithful Customers and Friends: > > We are sorry to announce that the Factory Outlet will be closing. We do > not have a definite date yet so we will continue as usual until a > decision is made. > > We are happy to say we are going forward with our spring fabric sale and > will include all store inventory in the sale. Yes, even the closeout > merchandise. Imagine the savings! Better yet everything will be > reduced by 25% at the register. We are also extending the time. The > sale will continue through April 25^th *.** Remember April 1**^st ** > -25**^th **, 25% off.* Post the flyer below on your frig to remind you. > > Joyce Parker > > Manager > > > > *FACTORY > OUTLET * > > > > *OUR ANNUAL SPRING SALE BEGINS * > *APRIL 1st * > > > *IS SPECIAL * > *_ALL STORE MERCHANDISE _* > *25% OFF * > > > > NO FURTHER DISCOUNTS ALLOWED > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 12:44:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SGieC7017636 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:44:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SGiSZQ006365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SGi8tP064165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SGi7wi013308; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:44:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SGi45r013259 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 11C2A3D2D1 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:44:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:44:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] folkwear was: A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a2d32e0-4338-4942-b95d-db0260ba3b4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED206D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:44:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this your site? http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/bordonia.htm -----Original Message----- Our group is not completely historical, its a long story....... but elements of our history are actually Wend/Sorb. We have the pleasure of making the Bordonian National Costume for the first time. If you want to hear the whole story, I am happy to discuss it offline, but its all documented in some dance books my husband published recently. Cheers4now, Aylwen htp://www.bordonia.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 12:52:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SGqw2f017793 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SGqmEG012938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SGqP6l065030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SGqOOC025303; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SGqLWR025132 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id F24632E845C for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 3DEE32E80A1 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67A92400A5 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:52:20 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls thread-index: AciQ5TkrWzGnGuRRTiKqU/83vwMKXwADXZ4Q References: <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b87a060-8d2f-4e53-904b-f176378369b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED2260.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne: I searched for ball jointed dolls+groups on Yahoo and there are several groups as well. Check out: www.denofangels.com for lots of information on BJDs. U.S. Doll magazines Haute Doll and FDQ carry lots of info on BJD's as well. She isn't exactly a BJD, but I started collecting(if two dolls is collecting}a multi-jointed doll called Momoko. She is 1/6 scale and 10 1/2" tall. A dainty 5'3" in comparison to Barbie's more substantial U.S. beef fed 5'9" in real scale. Originally Japanese made, she is now produced in China, which has cut her price 1/3 - 1/2 of the Japan Petworks dolls, and increased production numbers. Volks dolls in Japan is the Holy Grail of most BJD fans--you can have a doll custom made for about $700 and up in U.S. dolls. There is also a U.S. showroom and production center in California. Hope this helps!! Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls As some of you had these dolls, my question is: Are there any groups you can join to talk about these dolls? Thanks in advance Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 13:37:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SHbRE6019061 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:37:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SHbJ0J004598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SHWBxJ070055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SHW72f082431; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:32:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SHW3is082351 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080328173202.MAEP29964.fep52.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:32:02 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.62]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080328173202.FCMX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:32:02 +0100 Message-ID: <20080328173202.FCMX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080328165305.ZOLM1539.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:31:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.62] at Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:32:02 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000b01c890f9$a0f9a1b0$3e14a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c54af423-c749-497c-99a1-75749ad7c8f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47ED2CCF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:37:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Cindy, Thanks a lot! The one i have is a Volks Super Dolfie. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls > Bjarne: > > I searched for ball jointed dolls+groups on Yahoo and there are several > groups as well. Check out: > www.denofangels.com for lots of information on BJDs. U.S. Doll > magazines Haute Doll and FDQ carry lots of info on BJD's as well. > > She isn't exactly a BJD, but I started collecting(if two dolls is > collecting}a multi-jointed doll called Momoko. She is 1/6 scale and 10 > 1/2" tall. A dainty 5'3" in comparison to Barbie's more substantial U.S. > beef fed 5'9" in real scale. Originally Japanese made, she is now > produced in China, which has cut her price 1/3 - 1/2 of the Japan > Petworks dolls, and increased production numbers. > > Volks dolls in Japan is the Holy Grail of most BJD fans--you can have a > doll custom made for about $700 and up in U.S. dolls. There is also a > U.S. showroom and production center in California. > > Hope this helps!! > > Cindy Abel > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:06 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls > > As some of you had these dolls, my question is: Are there any groups you > can join to talk about these dolls? > > Thanks in advance > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 14:03:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SI32iW019665 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:03:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SI2rs5027270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:02:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SI2PaX077454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SI2OVg021483; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2SI2LeV021300 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200803281802.m2SI2LeV021300@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2008 18:02:14 -0000 Received: from p548E6CA7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.108.167] by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 28 Mar 2008 19:02:14 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/4pRZ9Pd/4bUo7FBt8y3lx1k5PDyodk3M/RJ+S5F G+E47MvRhaEbMM X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:02:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Researching Folk Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65e3670e-1829-4003-aff1-c1deb39296bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED32CD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Aylwen, I just did a very very superficial check on Geman = sites. In short, I found out that the Vendish = were a Slavic tribe/people and closely related to = the Sorbs. There is still a minority in eastern = Germany. Vendish and Sorbish appear to have the = same roots, but during the GDR the Sorbish = culture was pampered while the Vendish were = neglected, so that there is more information = about the Sorbish than the Vendish. So says the = website of the Vendish minority, unfortunately in = German only, but they might answer an English inquiry. http://www.diewenden= .de/ But perhaps the Sorbish can help you with what = you are looking for? This site has information in = English: http://sorben.com/sorb2/ Then there=B4s a region called "Wendland" in = Germany which has villages in a traditional = Vendish shape, the "Rundlingsdorf". One of them = has a village museum in one of the old = farmhouses. They might have information about = costume in that area, however they appear to have = mostly 19. century things: = http://www.luechow.de/index.htm?baum_id=3D5154&inhalt_id=3D112641 = If the link does not work directly, here=B4s the = museum=B4s contact address: rundlingsmuseum@elbtalaue-wendland.de Hope this helps, Hanna At 02:15 26.03.2008, you wrote: >I am currently researching costumes/clothing that would have been worn >by the Vendish people. Does anyone here know what they might have worn >as a special outfit that might now have been considered a folk >costume, considering they have now been assimilated into German >society. >Thanks, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 14:28:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SISfcg020177 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:28:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SISWZf011113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SIRuXR080157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SIRshJ069133; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2SIRmQ2068868 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40925 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2008 18:27:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .PgQSYEVM1lpDxW1POD0RV0Ri05.K8DQhdaUjNNNepQmPcPKIQZffxJ3t8_sUPkg20eiG_NtGHSUWXQpXpBs9yz.I2UVcuiv9v4qeWvNsOJSulEv5bBnDojS8w5piQSTDMe2e8OsM3w1UVA- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:27:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <743364.40768.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cc55a60-4cb2-40be-9404-d5a414a93175 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED38D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:28:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Popping out of lurking. I'll contact Bjarne off-list and fill him in on some fun places onlineto discuss BJD's.. But I also request that this discussion be droppedfrom the list, since it's so waaaaaay off topic. :) Cindy: Momoko has ball joints and therefore is, technicially, a BJD (some people prefer ABJD for Asian Ball-Jointed Doll). There's a bit of an elitist attitude out there that if the doll isn't cast resin, 60cm or 42cm tall doll in the style of the Volks Dollfie that it' isn't a BJD, and shouldn't be included in BJD discussions. Others, though, are far more inclusive, and are happy to talk about Momoko, Syberites, and Tonner's Ellowyne Wilde. I know you're generalizing, but I will raise my hand in saying that Volks dolls are not my own holy grail. I personally am a bigger fan of more realistic sculpts, such as those made by Elfdoll. Volks dolls happen to be the most expensive in their size classes. You can find similar dolls for hundreds of dollars less, and if that's still too rich for you, you can go down in size to 42cm (aka MSD), and even smaller sizes (I have several that are only around 5" tall). To wrestle in at least a little on-topic commentary: as other's have mentioned, BJD's are great to sew for because they have very correct proportions, except for their ridiculously long legs. Ok, some also have ridiculously large boobs. There's a couple of folks out there doing historic clothes and shoes for these dolls, and some of the doll clothing companies have been doing psuedo-historical stuff for a while. Ellowyne Wilde and her size counterpart Evangeline Ghastly have some really nifty, psuedo-Victorian outfits. If you're interested in more information, contact me off-list. And now back to lurking. :) Claudine (playing with BJD's since 2005 :) ) ----- Original Message ---- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:52:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls Bjarne: I searched for ball jointed dolls+groups on Yahoo and there are several groups as well. Check out: www.denofangels.com for lots of information on BJDs. U.S. Doll magazines Haute Doll and FDQ carry lots of info on BJD's as well. She isn't exactly a BJD, but I started collecting(if two dolls is collecting}a multi-jointed doll called Momoko. She is 1/6 scale and 10 1/2" tall. A dainty 5'3" in comparison to Barbie's more substantial U.S. beef fed 5'9" in real scale. Originally Japanese made, she is now produced in China, which has cut her price 1/3 - 1/2 of the Japan Petworks dolls, and increased production numbers. Volks dolls in Japan is the Holy Grail of most BJD fans--you can have a doll custom made for about $700 and up in U.S. dolls. There is also a U.S. showroom and production center in California. Hope this helps!! Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls As some of you had these dolls, my question is: Are there any groups you can join to talk about these dolls? Thanks in advance Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 16:32:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SKWutJ022962 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:32:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SKWm4C024065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:32:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SKWQZD094985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKWNIS037342; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKWJ9v037183 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W31 ([65.55.138.66]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.200.18] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:32:14 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080328173202.FCMX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080328165305.ZOLM1539.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20080328173202.FCMX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2008 20:32:14.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEB5D100:01C89112] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls-groups X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd87dc95-1a3e-42c1-8be2-9fdc3c128810 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED55F0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 16:37:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SKbjuJ023074 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:37:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SKbeQj023731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:37:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SKbNR1095342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKbNwH043414; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKbKop043346 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AC0E5401034E; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:50:38 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:30 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c8910d$4210f8b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciQxRVHujV7/AOxSv+987/0o5CnnwASBzAw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4064df27-672b-4f89-ae1a-1116178aa151 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED5714.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this 16th century? If so, I'd love to have one. Sharon Collier -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Can I just add that anyone who doesn't have a copy of this marvellous > book should really think about getting one as a standard reference if > they work on the 16th century, much like Janet Arnold's. I've had my > copy for about 8 years now, and it's one of the most useful books I've > ever had ( After reading the information above I went to the David Brown site to order another softback. Sadly they came back "haven't any more". I cried, I whined, I send pleas directly to Ian Stevens their friendly marketing director who just happened to be in England at the moment. He sent our into the dim reaches of Oxbow books warehouse and unearthed the last 5 copies they had. I say Had because I now have them. They are $70 each because David Brown charged $65 plus $5 shipping. If you want one I can let you have it for that plus the amount it will cost to media mail (or other, contact me) it to you. I'm also trying to get my hands on some others that aren't perfect, but can be made to have all the information. Now this is not an attempt to undercut either Oxbow, David Brown (my favorite form of Crack), or Mr. and Mrs. Bean. I desperately want this book back in print. The thing is that I believe that it would sell slowly but steadily in about 200 copies per year (or am I under/over estimating?). David Brown would be happy to handle the selling if it had the opportunity. Buying copies to the Editor/Translator/book publisher get money for more copies and Royalties for all their hard work is the only way to get this done. Anyway, if anyone wants a copy now, let me know and we can probably make a deal. Like Hilary, this is a book I wouldn't be without. The patterns are to scale and really work. It isn't a book for a new sewer. It may not even be a book for someone who hasn't worked with period style patterns before. Took me years to figure out what was going on with some of them, but then it's a Eureka! moment. Regina Romsey. P.S. If you live in England or a European country, you might try and contact Mrs. Bean directly. If they have more copies available themselves, I'm sure they would be happy to sell too! e: > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 16:43:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SKhANa023241 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:43:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SKh4WK026461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:43:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SKgldM095892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKgkt6050377; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKggtb050289 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACCC732A0088; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:53:48 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000001c89046$3fa75320$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:55:40 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01c8910d$b3542e20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciQZUaQ4ZZ7LAyTRT+9nfYzlHg/UQAqDw1g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad763c4d-44fb-473c-86ba-44c1b80e7b56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED5859.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:43:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I happen to have living with me a German exchange student, (is that serendipitous, or what?) so if you don't have anyone to translate the Vendish site, I will ask her to do it. Sharon Collier -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A plea for help We are in Australia but I buy a lot from the US. I would prefer to buy from US or Australia, not the UKas our dollar is too weak against the pound & euro. I've found a few pictures of what we need. The bodice/waistcoat will be black, blouse white cotton with cotton lace (so it can be bleached later) and the full circle skirt purple with gold trim. Ideally bodice black wool, but that may be too expensive, so a solid cotton twill lined with cotton, black eyelets for lacing up. If anyone cares to quote for a whole outfit that would be fantastic. We need 15 of these but have a limited budget, so we can sew trim on to save costs & hem the skirts. I have to pay for all this myself as the students can't afford it. If I can pay off in instalments that would be perfect, and we'd need to do one as a dummy run to make sure its okay. I'm happy to pay for that one as well. We need to have these done by the end of July, so there is not much time. We want to use them in August and will be touring to New Zealand in September. http://costumes.lovetoknow.com/images/Costumes/0/0d/National_costumes.jpg http://www.pirkadat.org/photos/20041209/cp5+.jpg http://www.dvorana.cz/costumes_jp/turnov/tur-celek-1.jpg Cheers, Aylwen ps. so we get this off the list, please reply to my email at aylwengg@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 16:56:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SKuivh023742 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:56:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SKudx2004303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SKtgiG097187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKsRbQ064751; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKqOSR062204 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so486047wfa.23 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr1788293rvd.122.1206737540548; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.127.15 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:52:20 +1100 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] folkwear was: A plea for help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 2ea71716-0b6e-4db1-af0b-1e564d8f926a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED5B87.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:56:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, although the sources page is missing. I will get it back up later. It all starts at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/bordonia2.htm Its been amazing how many dancers here have adopted the Bordonian identity. Cheers, Aylwen On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 3:44 AM, otsisto wrote: > Is this your site? > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/bordonia.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > Our group is not completely historical, its a long story....... > but elements of our history are actually Wend/Sorb. > We have the pleasure of making the Bordonian National Costume for the > first time. > If you want to hear the whole story, I am happy to discuss it offline, > but its all documented in some dance books my husband published > recently. > Cheers4now, Aylwen > htp://www.bordonia.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 17:02:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SL2bjL023934 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:02:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SL2VME015026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:02:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SL289j097972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SL0r6l073208; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SKsbWx064975 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so446266pyc.4 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.16 with SMTP id q16mr1924089pyl.57.1206737676720; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.26.2 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:54:36 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: faf2dbdf-c122-4232-b3e0-8cd5210777a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47ED5CE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:02:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a length of silk taffeta that has an embroidery pattern that is invokative of an Elizabethan pattern, except that it is all off-white on off-white. I would like to add color to the flowers without embroidering them all. So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? Anyone have experience of using these on silk fabric? This gown will be worn occasionally - maybe two or three times a year at most, and I expect it to be hand washed only when it needs it. thanks alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 17:17:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SLHjMI024443 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:17:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SLHYMX013641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:17:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SLHG3J000284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SLHF0P094531; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SLHB1T094439 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 054413D797 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3f622c6-462d-47c2-a46b-111ede31f5c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED606E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:17:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Acrylic will make it stiff. -----Original Message----- I have a length of silk taffeta that has an embroidery pattern that is invokative of an Elizabethan pattern, except that it is all off-white on off-white. I would like to add color to the flowers without embroidering them all. So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? Anyone have experience of using these on silk fabric? This gown will be worn occasionally - maybe two or three times a year at most, and I expect it to be hand washed only when it needs it. thanks alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 18:00:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SM0JQ3025422 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:00:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SM0CPI005320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:00:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SLxhdC005726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SLxffY058171; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SLxba7057955 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYG00706NR4MV70@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:59:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-43-121.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.138.43.121]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:54:46 -0300 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:59:27 -0300 From: SPaterson To: Historical Costume Message-id: <000c01c8911e$fe119270$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHoH7UcYiit5/2dsb2JhbACrBg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,572,1199678400"; d="scan'208";a="114658420" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080328-0, 03/28/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f24cdeb8-e54d-403f-ad88-e3dca346e040 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED6A6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:00:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I once added colour to trim by hand painting it with regular dye - it was highly successful. Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > -----Original Message----- > I have a length of silk taffeta that has an embroidery pattern that is > invokative of an Elizabethan pattern, except that it is all off-white > on off-white. I would like to add color to the flowers without > embroidering them all. > So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those > flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used > on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - > watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? Anyone have experience of > using these on silk fabric? This gown will be worn occasionally - > maybe two or three times a year at most, and I expect it to be hand > washed only when it needs it. > > thanks > alex > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 18:15:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SMF5n2025779 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:15:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SMExjW010106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:15:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SMEgow007576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SMEfZW075311; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SMEdb7075253 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A75934AA03DA; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:47:05 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:48:58 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c8911d$8702b5c0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciRFvjT8CNiToZCRKSqKeSoQ6x2rgABj42A In-Reply-To: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e59821b9-53cb-4326-bce3-3d4e6c78d514 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED6DE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:15:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Having gotten way too much paint on my clothes over the years, (I paint sets, I can tell you that acrylics do not easily wash out. Plus, they go through the washer and dryer. I've washed my paint clothes loads of times. Try the wash/paint technique first, because they do add stiffness. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Adding color to silk I have a length of silk taffeta that has an embroidery pattern that is invokative of an Elizabethan pattern, except that it is all off-white on off-white. I would like to add color to the flowers without embroidering them all. So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? Anyone have experience of using these on silk fabric? This gown will be worn occasionally - maybe two or three times a year at most, and I expect it to be hand washed only when it needs it. thanks alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 18:17:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SMHdZJ025848 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:17:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SMHYr5011336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SMHJt0007822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SMHJIR078311; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SMHGr5078143 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEF3125CF3 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47ED7BF7.9060608@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:15:03 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4f7b62c-c39b-4a7d-b23d-4d719a002b95 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47ED6E7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Alexandria Doyle wrote: > So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those > flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used > on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - > watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? Anyone have experience of > using these on silk fabric? I have used Dy-na-flow on silk. I got a set of about ten colors for about $15 online, but they are also readily available in craft and fabric stores. I used the brights set, but got pastel results. My yellow and pink came out nice, I had trouble getting a good orange down, and the darker blue and purples just washed out. The colors bleed, so if you wanted it to stay in one place you need to put down a wax or something like they show on the silk painting websites to outline your shape. Once it dries it is colorfast. I've also used Tulip Color Spray, which is more of a paint than a dye. I got good color with the blues and greens I used, but the result was a bit stiff. This stuff also bleeds and spreads, if that's not the effect you want you need to outline it with something. My experience with acrylic paint on fabric is that fabric readily takes the paint and holds it well. You wouldn't think water based paint is hard to remove, but it is. The fabric will be stiff where it has been painted, it's essentially a layer of plastic. The advantage is that it won't spread after it's applied, and you have pretty good control with a brush in putting it exactly where you want it for detail. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 18:57:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SMvBg9026840 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:57:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SMv61U030141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SMuZiJ011477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SMt4rY017733; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SMt26A017668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JfNTP-0004nq-Vb for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:54:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:54:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007301c8911d$8702b5c0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Message-ID: References: <870801590803281354o1b0cbe7eld35cdeb06794cfae@mail.gmail.com> <007301c8911d$8702b5c0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f3624a5-87a4-42a7-a3d1-39dcf523919e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47ED77C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 19:11:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2SNBlOW027108 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:11:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SNBdBi013918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:11:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2SNB4eU012538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SNB1AN032618; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SNAwOR032446 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2SNApwQ003583 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080328173202.FCMX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:10:51 -0700 References: <20080328150543.FAGL29237.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20080328165305.ZOLM1539.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> <20080328173202.FCMX17944.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] ball jointed dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36868599-4019-4839-bcf1-627f351c9da8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47ED7B2B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dear Cindy, > Thanks a lot! > > The one i have is a Volks Super Dolfie. A bit of a warning... most of the online doll communities I know of have a pretty high drama quotient. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 20:02:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2T02q5B028715 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:02:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2T02lsA002834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:02:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2T00O9I016643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2T00Mcp084119; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:00:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2T00HCA083987 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38875 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2008 00:00:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dV3mt2oVM1m4OTIMnqCZDNcUHj8j2hPYr6BzfTif Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:59:56 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <786848.37751.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66e80516-2cdd-4d30-bc7a-6a34b856bece X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47ED8727.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:02:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I seriously suggest using the medium if one wants to paint with acrylics on fabric. Acrylic will flake or peal over time, and the medium helps to prevent that. I lost my favorite theatre stage hands shirt because we didn't know that when we painted them with watered down, but straight acrylics. Kimiko --- "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" wrote: > There's medium you can buy to add that's > specifically for fabric, but I > never noticed that it made much of a difference. > > Jen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 22:20:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2T2KNVl031731 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:20:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2T2KHLM027750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:20:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2T2JiJM026020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2T2JgNQ001959; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n28.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n28.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2T2Jc3R001851 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.177] by n28.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.110] by t3.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 02:19:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 02:19:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 250331.37043.bm@omp215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 21960 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2008 23:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (waddiejean@90.200.238.241 with plain) by smtp101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2008 23:33:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p8EPfsAVM1mSITC0qGkVu.56FxW.cWDPE_A5MTIKtnvShUOY2Mb8cf8jsK0VQXD.egJknQmNYQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47ED8017.8020904@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:32:39 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <900052.18971.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <900052.18971.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1aa822cf-d495-4d98-8f86-04587d13d02f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EDA761.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:20:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ann Catelli wrote: > --- Kimiko Small wrote: > > >> few images of short over long skirts (long kirtle, >> with short gown skirt) >> >> Kimiko Small >> > > I see many images of short skirts over longer ones, > and every one is allegorical. > > This doesn't count tucked-up skirts, like one of the > maidens in the St. Nicholas illumination you cite. > > So, I suppose a tucked-up skirt later redrawn by one > of the many costume historians who didn't/don't "get > it" might show a short over long skirt arrangement not > on a Ste., Queen, Goddess, etc.. > > So, not "real", unless you were dressing for a real > Masque, like Drea's Queen of the Amazons on the > Elizabethan Costuming Page. > > Ann in CT > Mary Tudor's lady in waiting, and the girl on the right in the St Nicholas picture, don't appear to be tucking up their skirts in any way. (In the St Nicholas, I can't tell what her hands are doing, but her apron is lying flat). I'm intrigued, if this is allegorical or an artistic convention, why did artists want to show shorter skirts like that? Is it just that she's so poor, she's grown out of her gown ;-) ? Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 28 23:56:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2T3ui3q002425 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:56:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2T3ucFE012794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:56:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2T3svQe031977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2T3ss7Y066077; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:54:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2T3so2Z066036 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E50953D9D4 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:54:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:55:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <47ED8017.8020904@yahoo.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebd6a647-c3ea-41cf-b1b7-40fae29910c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EDBDF6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can you find a site with the St. Nick painting? It is possible (without seeing the painting) that it could be a wide guard or a replacement of a worn hem with different available material. De -----Original Message----- Mary Tudor's lady in waiting, and the girl on the right in the St Nicholas picture, don't appear to be tucking up their skirts in any way. (In the St Nicholas, I can't tell what her hands are doing, but her apron is lying flat). I'm intrigued, if this is allegorical or an artistic convention, why did artists want to show shorter skirts like that? Is it just that she's so poor, she's grown out of her gown ;-) ? Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 03:49:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2T7nlFL002994 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:49:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2T7ngLd024553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:49:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2T7nKra047451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2T7nFvF014132; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2T7nCt2014035 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86228 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2008 07:49:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7bnP05IVM1kin2jVeyLgOGXzl6yI0U4Bc2D5B.25I0SzOPkSpDdCnYf9qOjMoP5T_JQAgg1LRvd232vD0s_sA6AzaxCScJMFdfjlS1na37QzsgNaDiY- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:49:06 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <151322.86099.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3a18f6c-6314-4fca-9410-c1c276aadfe1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EDF496.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:49:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That is the complete image I scanned in of that part of the triptych, so anything further was not painted (or has not survived). This is the full image I have. http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/?action=3Dv= iew¤t=3DWithypoolAltr1514.jpg ( http://tinyurl.com/3ybmpy ) I have found the effigy monument that shows a short gown over very long kirtle from Dr. Jane Malcolm-Davies effigies web site. The woman: http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/?action=3Dv= iew¤t=3D95_main.jpg ( http://tinyurl.com/2kp5ay ) The view of her hem: http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/?action=3Dv= iew¤t=3D95_137_main.jpg ( http://tinyurl.com/2kwfxq ) There is an interesting little note that Jane provided with that image. "The top layer (the gown) is shorter than the under layer (the kirtle). This was described as characteristic of Englishwomen's dress by the Venetian ambassador in 1554 (quoted in Carter, A [1984] =93Mary Tudor=92s Wardrobe=94 in Costume, 18, 20)." This is part of what has spurred my search. I am wondering just how short those gown skirts got. Kimiko --- otsisto wrote: > Can you find a site with the St. Nick painting? > It is possible (without seeing the painting) that it > could be a wide guard > or a replacement of a worn hem with different > available material. > De _____________________________________________________________________= _______________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one = month at no cost. = http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 03:56:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2T7ulxM003422 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:56:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2T7udhb032476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:56:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2T7uOL6047824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2T7uNli018548; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2T7uJWU018457 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48421 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2008 07:56:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: duCQ530VM1mvfA_3.jzLgUKEloldcYIocPu5JpXV_pl4jiOyg2RR4dbS7jLQoF3_avXhYb04_L9r2eonN2puDgTtTZJeFCxkKCzwZYa85pg6yXrtMVrDeaBvEVuVzQ-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:56:14 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47ED8017.8020904@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <614387.48172.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d993370-baba-4423-b301-b3e0e9af7849 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EDF637.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:56:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You would wonder, except she's got enough jewels on her to buy a longer gown; so she must not be that poor. But then, it is a Saint. It may represent something I don't understand about her story or why she and 11,000 virgins were all killed by the Huns (maybe they dressed "provocatively" with these demi-skirted gowns.) {I am trying to be funny, and it is failing badly - sorry} Kimiko --- Jean Waddie wrote: > apron is lying flat). I'm intrigued, if this is > allegorical or an > artistic convention, > why did artists want to show shorter skirts like > that? Is it just that > she's so poor, she's grown out of her gown ;-) ? > > Jean ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 09:43:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2TDhorA012002 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:43:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2TDhjt4023724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:43:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2TDhJEx072273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TDhFAb080722; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TDhBbE080598 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cd3.2e4f8382 (65097) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:43:01 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c60a44c-1e10-4ad1-aaaf-408eaa83d446 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EE4791.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:43:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Surely, with all the "painted silk" scarves and such around, there is an acrylic-like dye just for silks, and a medium for making it whatever consistency you want. Have you e-mailed or called the folks at Dharma Trading Co. ? Dharmatrading.com And depending on how intricate you get.... it might take just as long a embroidery. :-P I saw someone do this to white on white embroidery on a fringed piano shawl with permanent markers.... the kind designers and illustrators use. They come in every color known to man, but are used up quickly on fabric. They bleed a little....it really depends on the fabric how much. 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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 11:39:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2TFdeFS018019 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:39:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2TFdWmj006227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:39:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2TFd2fe084040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TFcxVt097369; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TFcrRl097234 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W27 ([65.55.138.62]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:38:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.200.18] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:38:48 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2008 15:38:48.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB570710:01C891B2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Making History Hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8c28282-79bc-4569-b190-ac3c4321d2c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EE62B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible through documentary, TV series and movies is making the "sport" of costuming so much more popular. http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 16:41:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2TKfGoC031084 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:41:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2TKfAGA005660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2TKejsA013531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TKegoj022931; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n29.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n29.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2TKedOZ022838 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.179] by n29.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 20:40:33 -0000 Received: from [87.248.111.148] by t5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 20:40:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 20:40:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 767543.31147.bm@omp205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83918 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 18:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.206.210.168 with plain) by smtp107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 18:51:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Mpa.NpQVM1kX_Iu9z5TArOzwc88ASbmplnbi2o_HNE2.9wADxd60WfSKw87GLWDdE4Tn68KjxwwvsH.nn3ne8rqNE0MHM54VqBC08Jzntuw_94k.RNfbN5tr7qI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47EE8FB9.80507@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:51:37 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <614387.48172.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <614387.48172.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4a9fef8-1d10-49d4-bed7-feca9e6df67a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EEA967.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:41:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh dear, humour crossing past each other and failing to meet! I meant the girl in the St Nicholas painting - I'm assuming they are the three poor girls who couldn't marry because they had no dowries, so St Nicholas threw three purses of money through their window one night (or something like that) to help them. Still just a frivolous suggestion. But the quote from the Venetian ambassador is interesting, and would explain Mary Tudor's lady in waiting. Jean Kimiko Small wrote: > You would wonder, except she's got enough jewels on > her to buy a longer gown; so she must not be that > poor. But then, it is a Saint. It may represent > something I don't understand about her story or why > she and 11,000 virgins were all killed by the Huns > (maybe they dressed "provocatively" with these > demi-skirted gowns.) > {I am trying to be funny, and it is failing badly - > sorry} > > Kimiko > > > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > >> apron is lying flat). I'm intrigued, if this is >> allegorical or an >> artistic convention, >> why did artists want to show shorter skirts like >> that? Is it just that >> she's so poor, she's grown out of her gown ;-) ? >> >> Jean >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 16:54:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2TKseAi031760 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2TKsZQD011692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2TKsJrp014482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TKsIh2033519; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2TKsFZ7033471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01DD249E4 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47EEAC71.8030302@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:09 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <151322.86099.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <151322.86099.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f9d6791-8ae5-469f-bbb6-6f4ed8c662fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EEAC8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > I have found the effigy monument that shows a short > gown over very long kirtle from Dr. Jane > Malcolm-Davies effigies web site. > The view of her hem: > http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/?action=view¤t=95_137_main.jpg > ( http://tinyurl.com/2kwfxq ) That's really interesting! Although I'd class this as much different than the thigh-high overgown of the tryptych. This one is ankle-length with a longer-than-floor-length underskirt, after all. I wonder if there was some element of modesty for the effigy involved, so one couldn't look up her skirts, or if it is an accurate version of what they were wearing? It certainly should pool prettily around the feet when upright. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 21:19:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2U1Jqf0009038 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:19:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2U1Jkna032070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2U1JJVj033568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U1JFpC023795; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2U1JCQj023721 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 57896 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 01:19:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k_aB.BwVM1lnR9lUsVxh.RRyypTWt5Q608gxYCbXCiDHh.20dUPSBSjpSH15XdRnpdfBw47FoEa92kL.b995JHZkM7gUbO9sM0GCmN4YnA240fnIrWk- Received: from [64.252.7.88] by web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:19:06 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47EEAC71.8030302@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <511778.56633.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a645843f-a036-4fec-880e-ea2afb1bca0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EEEAB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Do you have a picture of the entire effergy? I'm wondering if what looks l= ike a short gown over a kirtle is really a fold of the kirtle? Lynn Cynthia Virtue wrote: Kimiko Small wrote: > I have found the effigy monument that shows a short > gown over very long kirtle from Dr. Jane > Malcolm-Davies effigies web site. > The view of her hem: > http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/?action= =3Dview=A4t=3D95_137_main.jpg > ( http://tinyurl.com/2kwfxq ) That's really interesting! Although I'd class this as much different than the thigh-high overgown = of the tryptych. This one is ankle-length with a = longer-than-floor-length underskirt, after all. I wonder if there was = some element of modesty for the effigy involved, so one couldn't look up = her skirts, or if it is an accurate version of what they were wearing? = It certainly should pool prettily around the feet when upright. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 22:20:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2U2KbpS011740 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:20:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2U2KWAh019371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2U2K8fn038596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U2K68f065463; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2U2K3ho065327 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18315 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 02:19:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AjB.204VM1kRCdBDTaGwt_0c_PyjAPmv8sselGjJc5jnKq4pchXSbENXe8XX18YkLSYit4HaZJyXwx7nHViMrkVaRtKk8l_4q9MC5eWVIXOCmTZLMoA- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:19:57 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47EE8FB9.80507@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <717483.16142.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64ecd3b0-411d-4423-945a-2bb030586014 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EEF8F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:20:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That should teach ME to not read and reply really late at night when I should just go to bed. Sorry, I didn't catch which Saint image you were referring to, and it was plain as day. Kimiko --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Oh dear, humour crossing past each other and failing > to meet! I meant > the girl in the St Nicholas painting - I'm assuming > they are the three > poor girls who > couldn't marry because they had no dowries, so St > Nicholas threw three > purses of money through their window one night (or > something like that) > to help them. > Still just a frivolous suggestion. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 22:25:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2U2PJM6011914 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:25:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2U2PEXq010903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2U2P1KK038911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U2P0kT068226; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2U2OwoN068142 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6738 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 02:24:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pHud0ocVM1kVXkpanBjMvydmS.KITM1liK7lFtgKPqtId2dPRpJcKOnTrAjbbOud5L1EGejWO1Nm_.vMosq9T.7P.FNOAX2VSWsxKEDCyyfRrDiM5Pk4NTAQuvpiuU2tkGK1kYNCZpoBOoVKYtIwNF8- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:24:52 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <511778.56633.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <468006.6530.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 22:31:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2U2VCCv012115 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:31:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2U2V6xr004657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:31:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2U2UO7K039156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U2UN5U071397; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U2UKnk071362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m2U2UHJD007341 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:30:19 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:30:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <004a01c8910d$4210f8b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e065be88-93e9-4710-ae06-6b2508ab54ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EEFB6A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:31:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Blink, Blink! Hmmm. I see I wasn't as plain about this book as I should have been if you aren't already familiar. This book was written by a tailor, Juan Alcega, who worked in the 1580's in Spain. He produced the Manual to help young tailor's with their art. If you are thinking full sized patterns of the present Butterick type (I think he invented the present type of patterns we buy) this isn't for you. These are the pattern pieces laid out on various period widths of fabric with the fairly confusing directions (nowhere near as bad as present instructions, which I can't follow to save my life :-). Definitely good to have help understanding. Juan Alcega was a real tailor who lived and worked in Spain. The pattern's I have blown up to size for my costuming have worked perfectly, once I understood how they were put together. The ones in the actual book and it's translation/re-drawing by Mrs. Ruth Bean are to scale. This means I can decide that a "barra" is 36" (give or take a bit it was) and the Scholar Robe fits a man 5'10" perfectly. It also looks exactly like the paintings. A quick way of seeing what I'm talking about is to look at the Janet Arnold: the Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women: 1560-1620. In the first few pages you will see one of these patterns and the illustration of a man wearing that robe. The entire book is patterns of that type. Certainly you can make one of the Spanish middle class outer garments from these. They aren't court garments, nor are they "underwear" other than a farthingale and possibly a chemise (I have to look at my tattered copy of a the original I made so I could put markings on the patterns). No ruffs, no corsets. A tailor wouldn't be making these. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sharon Collier > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:53 AM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Is this 16th century? If so, I'd love to have one. > Sharon Collier > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 29 22:57:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2U2vWvQ013144 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:57:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2U2vRLD015010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:57:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2U2urYK040917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U2uqS9086956; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2U2uoOf086925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m2U2unqs015796 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:56:49 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:57:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] FW: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31089089-5df1-44b1-9b5e-bde80f27a843 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EF0197.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:57:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Pease [mailto:wandap@hevanet.com] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Blink, Blink! Hmmm. I see I wasn't as plain about this book as I should have been if you aren't already familiar. This book was written by a tailor, Juan Alcega, who worked in the 1580's in Spain. He produced the Manual to help young tailor's with their art. If you are thinking full sized patterns of the present Butterick type (I think he invented the present type of patterns we buy) this isn't for you. These are the pattern pieces laid out on various period widths of fabric with the fairly confusing directions (nowhere near as bad as present instructions, which I can't follow to save my life :-). Definitely good to have help understanding. Juan Alcega was a real tailor who lived and worked in Spain. The pattern's I have blown up to size for my costuming have worked perfectly, once I understood how they were put together. The ones in the actual book and it's translation/re-drawing by Mrs. Ruth Bean are to scale. This means I can decide that a "barra" is 36" (give or take a bit it was) and the Scholar Robe fits a man 5'10" perfectly. It also looks exactly like the paintings. A quick way of seeing what I'm talking about is to look at the Janet Arnold: the Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women: 1560-1620. In the first few pages you will see one of these patterns and the illustration of a man wearing that robe. The entire book is patterns of that type. Certainly you can make one of the Spanish middle class outer garments from these. They aren't court garments, nor are they "underwear" other than a farthingale and possibly a chemise (I have to look at my tattered copy of a the original I made so I could put markings on the patterns). No ruffs, no corsets. A tailor wouldn't be making these. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sharon Collier > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:53 AM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Is this 16th century? If so, I'd love to have one. > Sharon Collier > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 06:14:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UAEote011455 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:14:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UAEimT010291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:14:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UAENAM066480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UAEIeg015965; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UAEESQ015907 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A169BC202E8; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:46:17 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <004a01c8910d$4210f8b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01c8924b$2c6c32b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AciSDcgi/u3jgagjQ0yGU5qksZ/NFQAPTeoA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b466e8b-640e-4d76-b458-09d192d91a75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EF6814.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:14:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is it only men's clothes? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Blink, Blink! Hmmm. I see I wasn't as plain about this book as I should have been if you aren't already familiar. This book was written by a tailor, Juan Alcega, who worked in the 1580's in Spain. He produced the Manual to help young tailor's with their art. If you are thinking full sized patterns of the present Butterick type (I think he invented the present type of patterns we buy) this isn't for you. These are the pattern pieces laid out on various period widths of fabric with the fairly confusing directions (nowhere near as bad as present instructions, which I can't follow to save my life :-). Definitely good to have help understanding. Juan Alcega was a real tailor who lived and worked in Spain. The pattern's I have blown up to size for my costuming have worked perfectly, once I understood how they were put together. The ones in the actual book and it's translation/re-drawing by Mrs. Ruth Bean are to scale. This means I can decide that a "barra" is 36" (give or take a bit it was) and the Scholar Robe fits a man 5'10" perfectly. It also looks exactly like the paintings. A quick way of seeing what I'm talking about is to look at the Janet Arnold: the Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women: 1560-1620. In the first few pages you will see one of these patterns and the illustration of a man wearing that robe. The entire book is patterns of that type. Certainly you can make one of the Spanish middle class outer garments from these. They aren't court garments, nor are they "underwear" other than a farthingale and possibly a chemise (I have to look at my tattered copy of a the original I made so I could put markings on the patterns). No ruffs, no corsets. A tailor wouldn't be making these. Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sharon Collier > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:53 AM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Is this 16th century? If so, I'd love to have one. > Sharon Collier > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 09:54:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UDsjFe020119 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:54:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UDsbOg008727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UDruIg081846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:53:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UDrruI080147; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UDrn9B080049 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7RSx1Z0020QuhwU5601K00; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:52:36 +0000 Received: from smailcenter87.comcast.net ([204.127.205.187]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Rtk1Z00243749o3N00000; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:44 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ygF1dmTwbNgA:10 a=qOwtYOCDA2kLoGI3adjxAA==:17 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=JKs8JzLTIeMe8yHf0koA:9 a=4sXj2p6sD0zPrtQIgBYA:7 a=WUuAOCmABvDZwpEdGLEcuzVKNCYA:4 a=BCkQVW9AwYcA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Received: from [67.183.220.30] by smailcenter87.comcast.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:43 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:43 +0000 Message-Id: <033020081353.24886.47EF9B6700082A38000061362213484373039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cbdc3e8-3cd2-4dc1-981e-b714f3dbef01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EF9B9D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi there, No it isn't only men's clothing. It also includes women's garments and other types of barding; of course the horse barding came before women's clothing in the book. Wonder if that is a comment of the times on how we as ladies rated. (he he). Etiennette -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Sharon Collier" > Is it only men's clothes? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Wanda Pease > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:31 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > Blink, Blink! Hmmm. I see I wasn't as plain about this book as I should > have been if you aren't already familiar. This book was written by a > tailor, Juan Alcega, who worked in the 1580's in Spain. He produced the > Manual to help young tailor's with their art. > > If you are thinking full sized patterns of the present Butterick type (I > think he invented the present type of patterns we buy) this isn't for you. > These are the pattern pieces laid out on various period widths of fabric > with the fairly confusing directions (nowhere near as bad as present > instructions, which I can't follow to save my life :-). Definitely good to > have help understanding. > > Juan Alcega was a real tailor who lived and worked in Spain. The pattern's > I have blown up to size for my costuming have worked perfectly, once I > understood how they were put together. The ones in the actual book and it's > translation/re-drawing by Mrs. Ruth Bean are to scale. This means I can > decide that a "barra" is 36" (give or take a bit it was) and the Scholar > Robe fits a man 5'10" perfectly. It also looks exactly like the paintings. > > A quick way of seeing what I'm talking about is to look at the Janet Arnold: > the Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women: 1560-1620. In the > first few pages you will see one of these patterns and the illustration of a > man wearing that robe. The entire book is patterns of that type. Certainly > you can make one of the Spanish middle class outer garments from these. > They aren't court garments, nor are they "underwear" other than a > farthingale and possibly a chemise (I have to look at my tattered copy of a > the original I made so I could put markings on the patterns). No ruffs, no > corsets. A tailor wouldn't be making these. > > Regina Romsey > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Sharon Collier > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:53 AM > > To: 'Historical Costume' > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > > > > Is this 16th century? If so, I'd love to have one. > > Sharon Collier > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 09:54:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UDssVo020126 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:54:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UDsg0g029482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UDsPcs081897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UDsPgH080548; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UDrnM7080047 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7R5r1Z0040QuhwU5504F00; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:52:19 +0000 Received: from smailcenter87.comcast.net ([204.127.205.187]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Rtk1Z00243749o3N00000; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:44 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ygF1dmTwbNgA:10 a=qOwtYOCDA2kLoGI3adjxAA==:17 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=JKs8JzLTIeMe8yHf0koA:9 a=4sXj2p6sD0zPrtQIgBYA:7 a=WUuAOCmABvDZwpEdGLEcuzVKNCYA:4 a=BCkQVW9AwYcA:10 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Received: from [67.183.220.30] by smailcenter87.comcast.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:43 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:43 +0000 Message-Id: <033020081353.24886.47EF9B6700082A38000061362213484373039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b3366f3-dd59-4c88-827b-7ca75d7f5531 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EF9BA2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Etiennette -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Sharon Collier" > Is it only men's clothes? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Wanda Pease > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:31 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > Blink, Blink! Hmmm. I see I wasn't as plain about this book as I should > have been if you aren't already familiar. This book was written by a > tailor, Juan Alcega, who worked in the 1580's in Spain. He produced the > Manual to help young tailor's with their art. > > If you are thinking full sized patterns of the present Butterick type (I > think he invented the present type of patterns we buy) this isn't for you. > These are the pattern pieces laid out on various period widths of fabric > with the fairly confusing directions (nowhere near as bad as present > instructions, which I can't follow to save my life :-). Definitely good to > have help understanding. > > Juan Alcega was a real tailor who lived and worked in Spain. The pattern's > I have blown up to size for my costuming have worked perfectly, once I > understood how they were put together. The ones in the actual book and it's > translation/re-drawing by Mrs. Ruth Bean are to scale. This means I can > decide that a "barra" is 36" (give or take a bit it was) and the Scholar > Robe fits a man 5'10" perfectly. It also looks exactly like the paintings. > > A quick way of seeing what I'm talking about is to look at the Janet Arnold: > the Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women: 1560-1620. In the > first few pages you will see one of these patterns and the illustration of a > man wearing that robe. The entire book is patterns of that type. Certainly > you can make one of the Spanish middle class outer garments from these. > They aren't court garments, nor are they "underwear" other than a > farthingale and possibly a chemise (I have to look at my tattered copy of a > the original I made so I could put markings on the patterns). No ruffs, no > corsets. A tailor wouldn't be making these. > > Regina Romsey > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Sharon Collier > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:53 AM > > To: 'Historical Costume' > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > > > > Is this 16th century? If so, I'd love to have one. > > Sharon Collier > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 09:55:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UDtSwo020153 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:55:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UDtIYU003872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UDt2hj081972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UDt2IT081055; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UDsw7T080936 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W45 ([65.55.138.80]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:54:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.200.18] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:54:53 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008e01c8924b$2c6c32b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <004a01c8910d$4210f8b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <008e01c8924b$2c6c32b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2008 13:54:53.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[A12B5000:01C8926D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1372a47f-c480-4635-9ebf-4c106a2406fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47EF9BC6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg > From: sharon@collierfam.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:48:14 -0700> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe> > Is it only men's clothes?> Sharon > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 11:46:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UFkjgc025226 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:46:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UFkejs023444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:46:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UFk5w0092712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UFk3b8074466; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:46:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UFjxLJ074329 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonmatchlock@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.83.76.43]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYJ00GFCVNBZQQ8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:42:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:45:38 -0400 From: "David S. Mallinak" In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <47EFB5A2.806@verizon.net> Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it > had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there > are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, > but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible > through documentary, TV series and movies is > making the "sport" of costuming so much more popular. > http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 You might add the "Highlander" TV series. I know the production company made a DVD for schools that chronicled all of the Highlander flashbacks as an introduction different periods and societies. Your humble and obedient servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 12:23:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UGMxxa026915 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:23:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UGMsdd025193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:22:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UGMV1C095781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UGMUWq005207; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2UGMRGS005093 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83533 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 16:22:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yyq3g8sVM1kClitu4anK7vmyfIYRVwIUPU4CZ7wE0Qgj80D.AFYiRD3XHZee0OlaoQ-- Received: from [76.173.43.77] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:22:22 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <511778.56633.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <338895.82619.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20ff1ccc-febc-4491-8c1e-228885ba5902 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EFBE5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't have the original post, but I thought the short skirt over long skirt thing seemed Spanish. So here's something I found that might be useful. It's from Weidnitz "Trachtenbuch" about 1530 or 1540. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2767477510025622007ZaBAUb MaggiRos --- Lynn Roth wrote: > Do you have a picture of the entire effergy? I'm > wondering if what looks like a short gown over a > kirtle is really a fold of the kirtle? Lynn > > Cynthia Virtue wrote: Kimiko > Small wrote: > > I have found the effigy monument that shows a > short > > gown over very long kirtle from Dr. Jane > > Malcolm-Davies effigies web site. > > The view of her hem: > > > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 12:52:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UGqjYN028963 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:52:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UGqeAd024546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:52:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UGq6HI098090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UGq3uO029376; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UGpxCO029319 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B2763DB4A for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:51:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <338895.82619.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d1fe868-36ee-4375-9fce-c30dc7b37e0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EFC558.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Though I vaguely remember seeing some German prints and French manuscript illuminations with either the short over dress or the long "peplum" bodice (this is the first I remember seeing both on one figure), I wonder if the artists might have mistaken a "tuck" of fabric like it is here in the Lotto painting? http://www.abcgallery.com/L/lotto/lotto6.html for a long peplum. -----Original Message----- I don't have the original post, but I thought the short skirt over long skirt thing seemed Spanish. So here's something I found that might be useful. It's from Weidnitz "Trachtenbuch" about 1530 or 1540. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2767477510025622007ZaBAUb MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 14:00:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UI0Ut6032076 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:00:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UI0OXI004711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UHxv8j003912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UHxvSn084639; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2UHxsGI084528 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 91144 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 17:59:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yzWH3BEVM1mnr.DJWgCBrZtgq2RATPRf18vU4S9iYAuhk_iFZR.piu6.LadZIcmjs3tP9qRMYHQnMjAvF9gdU9ebVOvoNH3NqyYZ Received: from [64.252.7.88] by web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:59:48 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <338895.82619.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <727253.90561.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fd9ff20-2984-409f-90da-b1f413ac3ead X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47EFD538.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I found the original post. The effergy is from c1535 and is of Edith Pexall nee Brocas. This was noted by Dr. Jane Malcolm Davies. On first look I thought it might be a fold in the kirtle at least thats what it looked like to me. The kirtle looks almost to long almost as if it were more a nightgown(Chemise) and a kirtle over it? I was just wondering if kimiko or someone could give me more info on Edith Pexall also such as her status (Nobility?). I'm just very interested in this time period of history and its dress. Thanks, Lynn Ps How common was this in period? MaggiRos wrote: I don't have the original post, but I thought the short skirt over long skirt thing seemed Spanish. So here's something I found that might be useful. It's from Weidnitz "Trachtenbuch" about 1530 or 1540. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2767477510025622007ZaBAUb MaggiRos --- Lynn Roth wrote: > Do you have a picture of the entire effergy? I'm > wondering if what looks like a short gown over a > kirtle is really a fold of the kirtle? Lynn > > Cynthia Virtue wrote: Kimiko > Small wrote: > > I have found the effigy monument that shows a > short > > gown over very long kirtle from Dr. Jane > > Malcolm-Davies effigies web site. > > The view of her hem: > > > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 14:01:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UI1Xuk032130 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:01:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UI1RlC010913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:01:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UHtawb003444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UHtXLc080784; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2UHtT25080655 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48036 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 17:55:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YRREBXgVM1lUVOPCAUCk9s3Th9VJNW8eSQ2.AoeI_wZr0pvO8xna5rb69_zmTaD3lp2EfyS6o3jOSylTdSxDlRVsjgCAG35emJKl9uuaxXUbVD_uMLli2MyoewavXg-- Received: from [76.173.43.77] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:55:24 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <619490.47112.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54a4643f-d816-4cdd-a031-fc70699bb4a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47EFD577.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:01:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The commentary in the Dover reprint I got this from says the whole upper section is a jacket, and it may be. A lot of German peasant women in the woodcuts are shown with jackets with a long peplum or skirting that is definitly not a tuck of the skirt. That this one has another colored band at the bottom looks to me like it's meant to be the bottom edge of something, not the middle. Plus it's so flat. It's hard to believe that anyone who has actually seen a woolen dress tucked up would mistake it for a flat frill or peplum. (Cranach gets it.) This lady isn't a peasant, but it could surely be a jacket. Click the B/W image next to it in the album for the back view. ("Hey lady, turn around!") Here it is directly. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2710325920025622007dsYOiq Of course, they're all artist's impressions, not photographs. But this "jacket" does seem like the curiosity in the OP's picture. For more short gown (but not that short)over longer kirtle, there are these two http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2505459060025622007pIZwWA http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2824775790025622007jsyHRh MaggiRos --- otsisto wrote: > Though I vaguely remember seeing some German prints > and French manuscript > illuminations with either the short over dress or > the long "peplum" bodice > (this is the first I remember seeing both on one > figure), I wonder if the > artists might have mistaken a "tuck" of fabric like > it is here in the Lotto > painting? > http://www.abcgallery.com/L/lotto/lotto6.html > for a long peplum. > > > -----Original Message----- > I don't have the original post, but I thought the > short skirt over long skirt thing seemed Spanish. So > here's something I found that might be useful. It's > from Weidnitz "Trachtenbuch" about 1530 or 1540. > > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2767477510025622007ZaBAUb > > MaggiRos > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 14:29:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UIT8JQ000886 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:29:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UIT1Zu014492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UISe9s007740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UISdan019280; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:28:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UISZH6019136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2UISUrX032457 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:28:30 -0400 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JYK00GP53BFPE10@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:28:26 -0400 From: Kate Pinner In-reply-to: To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <033e01c89293$d86d03d0$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AciQxJuvHR8gZk0sQr+FqqUKVIvb9QBztrUQ References: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5262 signatures=385810 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff5fcdbc-d5fe-4dce-b362-d2eaf65bd669 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47EFDBED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:29:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you still have a copy, and it is a translation, I would love one. You can contact me off-list at pinnerk@mccc.edu Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe Re: looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Can I just add that anyone who doesn't have a copy of this marvellous > book should really think about getting one as a standard reference if > they work on the 16th century, much like Janet Arnold's. I've had my > copy for about 8 years now, and it's one of the most useful books I've > ever had ( After reading the information above I went to the David Brown site to order another softback. Sadly they came back "haven't any more". I cried, I whined, I send pleas directly to Ian Stevens their friendly marketing director who just happened to be in England at the moment. He sent our into the dim reaches of Oxbow books warehouse and unearthed the last 5 copies they had. I say Had because I now have them. They are $70 each because David Brown charged $65 plus $5 shipping. If you want one I can let you have it for that plus the amount it will cost to media mail (or other, contact me) it to you. I'm also trying to get my hands on some others that aren't perfect, but can be made to have all the information. Now this is not an attempt to undercut either Oxbow, David Brown (my favorite form of Crack), or Mr. and Mrs. Bean. I desperately want this book back in print. The thing is that I believe that it would sell slowly but steadily in about 200 copies per year (or am I under/over estimating?). David Brown would be happy to handle the selling if it had the opportunity. Buying copies to the Editor/Translator/book publisher get money for more copies and Royalties for all their hard work is the only way to get this done. Anyway, if anyone wants a copy now, let me know and we can probably make a deal. Like Hilary, this is a book I wouldn't be without. The patterns are to scale and really work. It isn't a book for a new sewer. It may not even be a book for someone who hasn't worked with period style patterns before. Took me years to figure out what was going on with some of them, but then it's a Eureka! moment. Regina Romsey. P.S. If you live in England or a European country, you might try and contact Mrs. Bean directly. If they have more copies available themselves, I'm sure they would be happy to sell too! e: > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 15:29:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UJTk1O003466 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:29:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UJTalF008952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:29:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2UJSxvY013816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UJSvPJ074326; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2UJSr3u074200 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.227.225] Received: from [75.45.227.225] (adsl-75-45-227-225.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.227.225]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2UJSk8I008183 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:28:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <151322.86099.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <151322.86099.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <48EE9B4A-9308-4673-A45F-2580F90D22EF@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:30:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1cd9195-c966-43f3-b2db-636b0000c6b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47EFEA20.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Mar 29, 2008, at 3:49 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: > > I have found the effigy monument that shows a short > gown over very long kirtle from Dr. Jane > Malcolm-Davies effigies web site. > The woman: > http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/? = > action=3Dview¤t=3D95_main.jpg > ( http://tinyurl.com/2kp5ay ) > The view of her hem: > http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/? = > action=3Dview¤t=3D95_137_main.jpg > ( http://tinyurl.com/2kwfxq ) > > There is an interesting little note that Jane provided > with that image. > "The top layer (the gown) is shorter than the under > layer (the kirtle). This was described as > characteristic of Englishwomen's dress by the Venetian > ambassador in 1554 (quoted in Carter, A [1984] =93Mary > Tudor=92s Wardrobe=94 in Costume, 18, 20)." This is a trifle misleading, I'm afraid. In =93Mary Tudor=92s Wardrobe,=94= = Carter quotes Soranzo, the Venetian ambassador, as saying "Queen = Mary's garments are of two sorts; the one a gown such as men wear but = fitting very close, with an underpetticoat which has a very long = train; and this is her ordinary costume, being also that of the = gentlewomen of England. The other garment is a gown and bodice, with = wide hanging sleeves in the French fashion which she wears on state = occasions." (p. 15) It is the first style that Malcolm-Davies is = using as textual evidence for this shorter outer gown. But Carter = presents a fairly detailed argument that this style is actually a = loose gown over a trained kirtle. Her summary is "Moreover, orders = for French kirtles generally follow those for loose gowns, and it may = be asserted that this is the combination inferred by Soranzo, with = the kirtle train visible below the hem of the gown." (p. 19) It is = implied here that Carter believes the loose gown on women to have = been floor-length, but she states it earlier when discussing how a = woman's loose gown differed from the "gown such as men wear" that = Soranzo references. (p. 17) (There are of course shorter loose gowns = on women later in the century, though the evidence for them is from = France and Italy.) So using this reference as an argument that wearing a shorter fitted = gown (like the one in this effigy or the other problematic examples = we've seen) over a longer kirtle was a general fashion among = Englishwomen at this time is a bit disingenuous. There is something of a disconnect between the idea of "loose gown" = and the description of "fitting very close," but there are some = funeral brasses from the 1550s and later that show loose gowns with a = girdle worn on top so that the fullness is held close to the body. = If anyone has a copy of Laver's _Costume of the Western World: Early = Tudor_, plate 42 is a good example from 1550. Page 96 of = Ashelford's _Visual History of Costume: The Sixteenth Century_ has = an almost identical look from 1578, but as Robin helpfully pointed = out to me once, patterns for brasses were used long after the = fashions they depicted went out of style. All that said, there do appear to be at least two English examples of = a slightly shorter fitted gown over a longer kirtle that can't be = explained via allegorical representation or sainthood without a bit = of a stretch (the effigy and Mary Tudor's lady in waiting). Whatever = it was, it doesn't seem to have been a general fashion. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 18:04:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2UM4faA009640 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:04:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2UM4aux019475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2ULmifR024440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:48:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2ULmeuh099729; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2ULmcQp099638 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JYK0002KCKJKXF0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:48:06 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <47EFB5A2.806@verizon.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making History Hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3e98e3b-2f83-4c7b-8d3f-2d0ec5ebc1e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F00E74.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:04:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi David! Do you remember who made that DVD with the Highlander Flashbacks? I teach fashion history and this would be SOOOOOO cool. Thanks for the help. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of David S. Mallinak Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making History Hip Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it > had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there > are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, > but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible > through documentary, TV series and movies is > making the "sport" of costuming so much more popular. > http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 You might add the "Highlander" TV series. I know the production company made a DVD for schools that chronicled all of the Highlander flashbacks as an introduction different periods and societies. Your humble and obedient servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 22:49:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2V2nCVo020685 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:49:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2V2n6ca000387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2V2mk1O043482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V2mhJ4014621; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2V2meCU014517 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18756 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 02:48:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gXuREF0VM1nmGS_TD_G_gAYeRKvVY2DGyUUivZVJcowP73rH_kzTrqsCYpMFUnZeKP5rWIZpmAYG1PoojvPwGGtrhsIoppl_JWACCc78dzTIFTtvPLLYjmxWTFqraw-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:48:35 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <619490.47112.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <429717.17852.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a994fe57-7a4b-42c5-a6d8-061d06624b59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F05122.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:49:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you MaggiRos, I really appreciate these images and where they came from. I am going to collect as many as I can find, and try to organize them to time and location, so I can try to see a pattern, if any. And the note that it is a jacket is similar to the thought that the saint was wearing something similar to a German man's skirted jacket. If there are more German styles like this, I will be raiding a friend's collection, as she focuses on German styles. Kimiko --- MaggiRos wrote: > The commentary in the Dover reprint I got this from > says the whole upper section is a jacket, and it may > be. A lot of German peasant women in the woodcuts > are > shown with jackets with a long peplum or skirting > Click the B/W image next to it in the album for the > back view. ("Hey lady, turn around!") > Here it is directly. > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2710325920025622007dsYOiq > > Of course, they're all artist's impressions, not > photographs. But this "jacket" does seem like the > curiosity in the OP's picture. > > For more short gown (but not that short)over longer > kirtle, there are these two > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2505459060025622007pIZwWA > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2824775790025622007jsyHRh > > MaggiRos ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 23:19:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2V3J1ul021933 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:19:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2V3IucG013050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:18:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2V3C5w8045633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V3C4YP036517; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2V3C0sC036418 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24598 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 03:11:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _aFUlBkVM1ntzlxyqPE8OK8iksOyjY8qZw5hp3sF_6gzBi8MOAgxkBVbMWeS479e1.9ZWP_mHAcD2IfgYEK9VhJVjb.7madPyg7cae_wm5qbvJzD9m8- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:11:55 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <727253.90561.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <391400.19721.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e3d20d0-4151-452e-a1b2-57388a871bf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F05820.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:19:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello Lynn, As far as I understand, smocks (aka chemises) were not as long as to the floor, but usually somewhere around the knee length, maybe to ankles. I am no expert on smocks, tho. Her status I think is that of gentlewoman, which may or may not be noble in birth, but of higher station than most of the people. However, the husband is not noted as being knight, but their son was a knight. She is noted as being the heir to a named estate, which might mean she was the daughter of a wealthy merchant (and sole surviving heir?) They were at least wealthy enough to purchase an effigy monument. It would be a guess, unless one wanted to hunt that particular family down (and Jane has listed the sources she used). As to how common this style was? Not very common I think, but that's why I am hunting them down to find out. It is not a style I've seen often in images, but then I've not paid direct attention, until recently. The problem with this time frame (roughly 1510-1540ish), is that individual people portraits, unless a group image of some sort, often are of a person from the waist up, so lower body details were not painted. Finding the exceptions can prove very helpful. If you haven't gotten it yet, may I suggest checking out the book called the Tudor Tailor, written by Dr. Jane Malcolm-Davies and Ninya Mikhaila. It will give you a good background of info, as well as some scaled patterns of the Tudor period. Kimiko --- Lynn Roth wrote: > I found the original post. The effergy is from > c1535 and is of Edith Pexall nee Brocas. This was > noted by Dr. Jane Malcolm Davies. On first look I > thought it might be a fold in the kirtle at least > thats what it looked like to me. The kirtle looks > almost to long almost as if it were more a > nightgown(Chemise) and a kirtle over it? I was just > wondering if kimiko or someone could give me more > info on Edith Pexall also such as her status > (Nobility?). I'm just very interested in this time > period of history and its dress. Thanks, Lynn Ps > How common was this in period? ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 23:25:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2V3P75L022169 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:25:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2V3P24o028652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:25:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2V3Omkv046931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V3OlYm045953; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2V3Oi5I045852 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31484 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 03:24:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fpMRu3AVM1mXdYjVQjy6H9OXyIajgkVcTo_XOY87vBlEOlDM5_to2FlhgZ7N.6ZYF3N.2bXJcNqSLxIjmxHj0K3FV89AytD9IxK2gVdVz8GBu9E9PLs- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:24:39 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:24:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48EE9B4A-9308-4673-A45F-2580F90D22EF@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <260980.29734.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cad7820a-6afc-48c2-8172-9358cbc2daa7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F0598E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:25:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you Melanie for that clarification. I have the article in question, but it is in my sewing room pile of stuff (that I sooo need to clean up), so I hadn't been able to read it yet. Also, thanks for the other images to look for. I will hunt those down, as I know I have one book, and may have the other (or the library does). It may not be a general fashion, but it would be nice to know of alternate styles, if they were really done then, and not just from a few people's imaginations. Kimiko --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: >> (quoted in Carter, A [1984] >> =93Mary >> Tudor=92s Wardrobe=94 in Costume, 18, 20)." > = > This is a trifle misleading, I'm afraid. In =93Mary > Tudor=92s Wardrobe,=94 = > = > All that said, there do appear to be at least two > English examples of = > a slightly shorter fitted gown over a longer kirtle > that can't be = > explained via allegorical representation or > sainthood without a bit = > of a stretch (the effigy and Mary Tudor's lady in > waiting). Whatever = > it was, it doesn't seem to have been a general > fashion. > = > Melanie Schuessler _____________________________________________________________________= _______________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbust= er Total Access now = http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 30 23:55:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2V3ttU6023340 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:55:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2V3tnkk010185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:55:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2V3tNFQ048921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V3tMpf068753; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V3tIn8068527 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JgB72-0001Mg-LG for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:55:12 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080330225057.04312e80@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:57:01 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <260980.29734.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <48EE9B4A-9308-4673-A45F-2580F90D22EF@faucet.net> <260980.29734.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53b9dabdbb49094eac453d27fc14926b9869617c7b1da4eb7c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 570aee0f-ba61-41b3-8094-1713d390badb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F060C5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:55:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, all! Has anyone been watching the HBO series, "John Adams"? What is your general impression of: Costumes - both the principal characters and the general populace/servants/etc.? Depiction of the general attitudes and society of the period? We've enjoyed it so far, and to our non-expert eye, the costumes and such look pretty good. It's obvious the women are wearing corsets, etc., and some of the costumes have been fabulous - esp. the one in tonight's episode that Abigail Adams wore to the opera - the robe a la francaise (I think I got the term correct, did I?) We did notice that they thanked the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation in the credits. Sandy (and Pierre) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 05:02:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2V92YAe005492 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:02:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2V92Twd002042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2V91t9Y066216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:01:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V91p6v079737; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2V91kio079671 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.69031969; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:16:24 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m2V8GGv20641.; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:16:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:16:15 +0100 Message-Id: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:16:05 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa970156-ab25-4045-b2b7-2d49abc78c13 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F0A8A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:02:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Saragrace wrote: I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible through documentary, TV series and movies is making the "sport" of costuming so much more popular. http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 Sg Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 09:19:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VDJ3ZA005575 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:19:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VDIqIn018194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:18:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VDIRaU087178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VDIBOk096089; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:18:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VDGDRZ094006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-02.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JgJrl-0005ZQ-Lc for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:16:02 +0100 Message-ID: <7505A8BB2B5D4CCBAF792CA5C19B1FCE@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:15:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Dupion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebcd0ab9-6b05-482c-9d83-564db919f334 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F0E4BC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:18:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know its not a period fabric, but does anyone know when silk dupion was first produced/used? Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 11:02:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VF2IFb010580 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:02:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VF293e024295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:02:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VF129G001716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VExiV0021050; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:59:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VEGLRJ066352 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d5c.219c0135 (42807) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:16:03 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 2e92dcf1-f4a2-4695-8b4c-c32f29586ae1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F0FCF1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! ***************** And can you tell someone from Alabama from someone from North Carolina? I can.... usually. Anyway.... on "Last of the Mohicans" about half the costume shop was British. Someone found a map of the US with all the states drawn in but not named. We Xeroxed it and passed it around to see how well the Brits would do identifying states. They were AMAZING! They even got those big square states out west right. Sometimes I get confused out there. The most common mistake was they thought New England was a state. I assure you.... I couldn't tell York from Glouster. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 11:19:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VFJo3e011203 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VFJf19006004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VFIr2k003787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VFHbV4044524; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VEMVeO074080 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d5c.219c0135 (42807) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:16:03 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65872e2b-0d83-4cb2-b20f-8cb5bd085270 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F1010D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! ***************** And can you tell someone from Alabama from someone from North Carolina? I can.... usually. Anyway.... on "Last of the Mohicans" about half the costume shop was British. Someone found a map of the US with all the states drawn in but not named. We Xeroxed it and passed it around to see how well the Brits would do identifying states. They were AMAZING! They even got those big square states out west right. Sometimes I get confused out there. The most common mistake was they thought New England was a state. I assure you.... I couldn't tell York from Glouster. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 12:06:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VG69A3013492 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:06:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VG61OX017317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VG5U3M010299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VG5SSL011070; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2VG5O3i010875 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23449 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 16:05:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bR4NUYoVM1l_bwcKLUqxLOGgrDHAZ1JKlR4R.G8mJnG_MxzvyfgZVvQAhKHN7heX0Q-- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:05:10 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <256248.22059.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27a56aa7-d0d8-4dcc-b29d-6e6c67d41be6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F10BE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maybe the writer hasn't actually seen the series, but has read the books? we'll never know. MaggiRos who can tell the difference between the accents --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Trust an American not to know the difference > between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe > Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a > Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. > > > Saragrace wrote: > > I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this > and was wondering why it had taken so long for the > media to pick up on this. Of course I know there > are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is > with respect to costume, but I think it is kind of > cool how the emphasis on making history more > accessible through documentary, TV series and movies > is making the "sport" of costuming so much more > popular. > > http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 > > Sg > > > > Kate Bunting > Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian > University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 13:26:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VHQwus017006 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:26:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VHQqFB010267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VHQHnT021314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VHQCKP021536; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.48.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VHQ9CD021443 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AECD13D661 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:26:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <7505A8BB2B5D4CCBAF792CA5C19B1FCE@SerenaPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dupion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf0ac38d-3e47-4825-bb6a-14a09c15d32f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F11EDC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:26:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ummm...well it's not pre 1600 but I think someone once told me that it was around in the 1880s or a little bit old. :) A few things I learned recently about it from a online site: Dupioni Silk (also spelled Duppioni) is produced by reeling silk fibers from two silk worms that have spun one cocoon together and usually produces a rough yarn. Therefore, irregularity in sheerness or weight, sometimes referred to as bands or shadings, is characteristic of dupioni silk fabric. Black specks which occasionally appear in dupioni silk fabric are part of the original cocoon of the silk worm. Removing them would not only weaken the fabric but destroy part of its beauty and character. These characteristics are inherent to dupioni silk fabric and should not be considered as defects in weaving. Dupioni is often marked 'Dry Clean Only,' but it can be washed if you wash it before you cut it out. Dupioni silk fabric loses much of its stiffness when washed, and just a bit of its sheen, but it still looks great. It will shrink up to 14% - 5 inches (13 cm) per yard - when washed, but it is very difficult to wrinkle after that. And no dry cleaning bills!. -----Original Message----- I know its not a period fabric, but does anyone know when silk dupion was first produced/used? Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 15:44:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VJifCa023382 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:44:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VJiVq3024093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VJi5I3039833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VJi2DL068921; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2VJhwu5068679 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 38501 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 19:43:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .K0GEgIVM1muYwVvFkcroFJuqNf8wJIS6IJH5O8F Received: from [64.252.9.203] by web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:43:52 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <391400.19721.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <690541.37728.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d412e3a1-033c-454a-aa40-0a33a9d338a4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F13F1F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:44:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kimiko, Thank you for the information and the picture of the effigy. My personna in the sca is around the 1530's in England as nobility, but my general interest is in the period of the gable headresses. There isn't very much primary documentation that I've been aable to find on this period. I do have the tudor Tailor aand really enjoy it. Thanks for the information. Lynn Kimiko Small wrote: Hello Lynn, As far as I understand, smocks (aka chemises) were not as long as to the floor, but usually somewhere around the knee length, maybe to ankles. I am no expert on smocks, tho. Her status I think is that of gentlewoman, which may or may not be noble in birth, but of higher station than most of the people. However, the husband is not noted as being knight, but their son was a knight. She is noted as being the heir to a named estate, which might mean she was the daughter of a wealthy merchant (and sole surviving heir?) They were at least wealthy enough to purchase an effigy monument. It would be a guess, unless one wanted to hunt that particular family down (and Jane has listed the sources she used). As to how common this style was? Not very common I think, but that's why I am hunting them down to find out. It is not a style I've seen often in images, but then I've not paid direct attention, until recently. The problem with this time frame (roughly 1510-1540ish), is that individual people portraits, unless a group image of some sort, often are of a person from the waist up, so lower body details were not painted. Finding the exceptions can prove very helpful. If you haven't gotten it yet, may I suggest checking out the book called the Tudor Tailor, written by Dr. Jane Malcolm-Davies and Ninya Mikhaila. It will give you a good background of info, as well as some scaled patterns of the Tudor period. Kimiko --- Lynn Roth wrote: > I found the original post. The effergy is from > c1535 and is of Edith Pexall nee Brocas. This was > noted by Dr. Jane Malcolm Davies. On first look I > thought it might be a fold in the kirtle at least > thats what it looked like to me. The kirtle looks > almost to long almost as if it were more a > nightgown(Chemise) and a kirtle over it? I was just > wondering if kimiko or someone could give me more > info on Edith Pexall also such as her status > (Nobility?). I'm just very interested in this time > period of history and its dress. Thanks, Lynn Ps > How common was this in period? ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 16:09:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VK9U8o024626 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:09:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VK9Ofd023884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:09:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VK97nr043394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VK96YE001475; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2VK923i001231 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 74307 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2008 20:08:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IcJHnx4VM1l0m51mwkq3RxZmdmK5NgFGcSmey8hffFqAE47MP2CPRetzDbR3ra9sZOv1g5OCwFg5YOoZl8kJXbCBf56tXKK0NDSobpAeFX7nN4egA9Jj.IyPD2PCGMEffbTExOCA2xV30ZyA9oZuZek- Received: from [64.252.9.203] by web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:08:57 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <468006.6530.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <413868.74002.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76582f62-59e7-4747-b2a9-008459dd1538 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F144F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:09:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you ever so much for the pictures of the effergy. They are beautiful. I am also takking the word of Dr. Davies, but i'm curious as to how common this was, for what time period and weather it waas just gentlewomen or seen in poor, nobile etc. also what types of material were used. Thankks, Lynn Kimiko Small wrote: http://www.tudoreffigies.co.uk/browse/view.asp?id=95 I am taking the word of Dr. Jane Malcolm-Davies as to the skirt length, as she has viewed the effigy in person, and I have not. --- Lynn Roth wrote: > Do you have a picture of the entire effergy? I'm > wondering if what looks like a short gown over a > kirtle is really a fold of the kirtle? Lynn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 17:47:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VLliKZ028070 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:47:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VLlcei009227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:47:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VLks8n057494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VLkp3Y024092; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19XTYpcmPox49IzDKfj2aHCOsJkl+96pSw@mail8.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VLkn8C024032 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m2VLkkvB007649 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:46:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 13776 invoked by uid 80); 31 Mar 2008 21:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.239.213.225) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 31 Mar 2008 21:46:45 -0000 Message-ID: <47F15BC4.9060600@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:46:44 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lectures, Milwaukee X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09c7d91e-e8bb-470c-9fc1-68848b563542 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F15BFA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:47:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO (Feel free to forward the following as long as you send the message in its entirety.) As noted here earlier, I'm giving a full day of lectures in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this Saturday, April 5. The lecture day is sponsored by the Milwaukee SCA group, but non-members are quite welcome to attend. I've been informed that there is enough space left that people may still send in registrations even at this late date. It's also possible that people may be admitted at the door, space permitting. If you think you might want to make last-minute plans, please contact the organizers to find out what the room status is. I do not know if there is a surcharge for walk-ins. Website with contact information is here: http://caeranterth.northshield.org/Calendar/Netherton.html The website also has details on the lecture topics, location, etc. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 18:02:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m2VM2Rr5029066 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:02:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2VM2KFN027178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:02:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2VM1rE0059336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VM1qnZ041578; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2VM1nVi041387 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W42 ([65.54.161.142]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:01:43 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.212.13] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:01:43 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47F15BC4.9060600@netherton.net> References: <47F15BC4.9060600@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2008 22:01:43.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE54DB60:01C8937A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming lectures, Milwaukee X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e11c67e3-c45c-4df5-8ed7-35fc6ec2c6c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F15F6C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Robin I am glad to hear this. I live about 25 miles away and wanted to attend, but never got any reply to the e-mail I sent. I'll try again! Laurie> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:46:44 -0500> From: robin@netherton.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lectures, Milwaukee> > (Feel free to forward the following as long as you send the message > in its entirety.)> > As noted here earlier, I'm giving a full day of lectures in > Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this Saturday, April 5. The lecture day is > sponsored by the Milwaukee SCA group, but non-members are quite > welcome to attend.> > I've been informed that there is enough space left that people may > still send in registrations even at this late date.> > It's also possible that people may be admitted at the door, space > permitting. If you think you might want to make last-minute plans, > please contact the organizers to find out what the room status is. I > do not know if there is a surcharge for walk-ins.> > Website with contact information is here:> http://caeranterth.northshield.org/Calendar/Netherton.html> > The website also has details on the lectur! e topics, location, etc.> > --Robin> > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 31 22:25:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m312PJZd007999 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:25:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m312PEv9014498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m312Onx0079800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m312Ojqn087677; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m312OgQF087632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m312OfPp020752 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:24:41 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:25:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <008e01c8924b$2c6c32b0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb0bcb13-3068-4dda-9b85-77b8d619f55c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F19D0A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:25:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for scan of Alcega Scholar robe > > > Is it only men's clothes? > Sharon > > No. Both women's and men's clothing. Again, this is middle class Spanish, not the Infanta's. Although they were probably similar in cut and construction, Royal clothing certainly utilized items that most well to do people did not. There are patterns for what we call a farthingale that are put together quite differently than we do now. They are also fairly narrow. Remember that Spain stayed with the cone shaped silhouette while England went for the bum roll and pleated looks late in the century. The patterns consist of drawings of various widths of fabric with pattern shapes laid out on them. Usually 3 patterns to a page. This shows you that they are quite small. I measured them, checked the measurement chart (doesn't look like anything you have ever seen before) and drew full size patterns on pattern making muslin (gingham which has such nice even squares on it). More than anything else, this book will show you what the pattern pieces looked like; how they were placed on fabrics of various widths that were available then (none in the 60" woolen widths we are used to). Once you have the hang of what Master Alcega was trying to put across to men who were already familiar with the craft of sewing garments, you will love the book. The first part of it is a facsimile of the original Spanish book. The second part is the translation with each of the patterns done again. The measurements are not translated, but there is a page at the front of the translated section that discusses what the markings mean, and how wide fabrics were believed to be from various countries. Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 09:07:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31D7ts3024878 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:07:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31D7jq9021309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:07:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31D7JVO032926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31D7G0x000341; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31D7DWC000119 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8B2p1Z0020vp7WLA207600; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:05:55 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8D771Z0050CKaGd8R00000; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:07:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VCqV5z-sKBgA:10 a=_o5hSNTfdIPA0oB-zj0A:9 a=7Ixmyb3fkZjSYt0hjrwdR5bCmN0A:4 a=7XzaUCe85xoA:10 Message-ID: <04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:07:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dad4d353-66c9-491d-b6a5-cc05adc50575 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F233A1.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 09:10:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31DA3OL024987 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:10:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31D9wV2009563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:10:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31D9XCK033108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31D9X2a002577; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31D9UkJ002449 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8B0T1Z00C0vp7WLA10Aa00; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:08:16 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8D9M1Z0030CKaGd8R00000; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:09:22 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=c6WfkRWNPT_F7VVfDfEA:9 a=DQT5Heqvzv58x5t3j60A:7 a=CoEChDhjBTwquIdAnJ080irHo0sA:4 a=oLyKKK6XQo0A:10 Message-ID: <04c301c893f9$a0e856a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:09:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fe8d1ca-3b1d-4c0f-81d7-2b4446b3fa66 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F23426.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:10:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Acrylic will make it stiff. -----Original Message----- I have a length of silk taffeta that has an embroidery pattern that is invokative of an Elizabethan pattern, except that it is all off-white on off-white. I would like to add color to the flowers without embroidering them all. So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? >> I can't imagine that watercolors or oils would work well at all. I would either use acrylic, heavily thinned with a textile medium, or bite the bullet and buy silk paints from Dharma. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 09:16:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31DGBVS025456 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:16:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31DG26s012552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:16:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31DFfbO033697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DFewV008443; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DFcxU008399 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A060D758068 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:15:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:26:46 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> Thread-Index: AciT+Zz8f8Ys0AIDRz+zSsBMLyCzugAAizUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5806948-ba6b-4dcb-ae53-e44388b4af5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F23592.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield.>> Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? 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(waddiejean@90.206.233.144 with plain) by smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 18:36:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VKBY7C8VM1m0g97Xl8AmwnVn66f35JEO7zc5DrpOkTz6mX_8qf0ATnFwOxl778mJyZlavINMAu2MIVs2DyEowlQhNZSfasoINheh34OMp2q3aKYrhfJletowAoU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47F12ECB.60401@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:34:51 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 427b31b4-2f78-45ea-b982-dd9afd5a256c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F23961.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought "Ah, that's what Cockney is!" Jean Kate M Bunting wrote: > Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. > > > Saragrace wrote: > > I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible through documentary, TV series and movies is making the "sport" of costuming so much more popular. > > http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 > > Sg > > > > Kate Bunting > Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian > University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume