From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 09:42:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31Dg6UV026932 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31Dg0Zx002002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31DfUbs036831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DfThx037895; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DfSJL037757 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:41:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2195271pyc.4 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.73.18 with SMTP id a18mr6921436pyl.50.1207057283031; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.26.2 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590804010641o7e825558gf728c39541ea49cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:41:22 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <04c301c893f9$a0e856a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <04c301c893f9$a0e856a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 140b7b35-3728-493e-9226-35485921994f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F23BA8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Dianne wrote: > > I can't imagine that watercolors or oils would work well at all. > > I would either use acrylic, heavily thinned with a textile medium, or bite > the bullet and buy silk paints from Dharma. > > Dianne > Thanks to all that have commented. I just have a question, for those that reccomended acrylic paints, do you use oil paints at all? One of my thoughts here, is that we have some evidence that fabrics were painted on for clothing prior to 1600, if only for children's or special occasion clothing that wasn't worn more than once or twice. There is the painting of Elizabeth from Bess of Hardwick Hall fame that looks to be painted fabric - though whether that was a real dress is not certain either. Anyway, it would seem like the oil paint would have been what was used to permanently mark fabric. I have only just begun working with oil paints myself, so I don't know how they handle in this case, whereas I have used acrylics on fabric. I had found that if the paint is thinned it doesn't crack or flaked, but the chance it will soak to areas you don't want, can be problematic. I suspect that I will be marking out the outfit I am making on my fabric, and then I'll test painting techniques on the scraps. Purchasing additional/specialty paints and dyes at this point is cost prohibitive when I do have these other paints in house and I'm sitting at home right now waiting for the plumber to show. thanks alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 10:08:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31E8ksd028223 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:08:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31E8eLF013114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31E7wws039583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31E7ua3078966; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31E7qnk078744 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:09:35 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Thread-Index: AciT+Zz8f8Ys0AIDRz+zSsBMLyCzugAAizUgAAGD4QA= References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2008 14:09:35.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[03C70840:01C89402] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6a5d700-aeeb-43bf-a659-94d132de650f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F241E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or from Pittsburgh, y'uns. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield.>> Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 10:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31EcZJv029752 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:38:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31EcPXf015664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31Ebvmw042935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31EbubA016928; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:37:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31EbrET016751 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cef.2ebe9c57 (42805) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:37:25 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06245394-a7f7-4eda-95af-3b8434bf3e1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F248E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/1/2008 9:42:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garbaholic@gmail.com writes: Anyway, it would seem like the oil paint would have been what was used to permanently mark fabric. I have only just begun working with oil paints myself, so I don't know how they handle in this case, ****************** They had other [water based] media back then. They didn't have to use oil paint. gauche anyone? And oil painting is usually done on fabric...a canvas, y'know. But it is heavily gessoed. Painting with oils on raw, unsized fabric creates all sorts of problems. Besides, it takes a long time...days...weeks....months....for oil paint to [really] dry. I recently saw a exhibit at the Hirshhorn Museum of artists Morris Louis, who painted in acrylic washes on unprimed canvas and "started" the "color field" movement. There was a section on restorations of the 60's canvases from other artists in this group who painted with oil on raw canvas. The restorers have to contend with the oils spreading out from painted areas and the damage done to the cloth by the chemical reactions of pigments and oils. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 10:59:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31Exj3D031114 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:59:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31ExZn0032041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:59:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31Eww3c045120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31EwuYL044159; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31EwrOo044094 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 77D442E8279 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:57:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 080A82E8182 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:57:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9CE240069 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:58:53 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip thread-index: AciT+Zz8f8Ys0AIDRz+zSsBMLyCzugAAizUgAAGD4QAAAWSGwA== References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1><007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4818f16d-3742-45ea-acc6-8a2b7324a386 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F24DD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:59:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sometimes it is difficult to pick up accents and how people will react. My Dad was born and raised in New York State. The accent there is quite different than the Bronx, for example. Twenty years in the Air Force and thirty years in Nebraska "erased" his NYS accent--he and two of his sisters sounded quite different to me as a teenager from my two aunts that remained in their home state. Eighteen years in northern Arkansas, gave he and my Mom a bit of Arkansas/southern Missouri "twang", but not much. Mom was raised in western Iowa, but she and I pronounced drama and wash differently. I say dra-ma and wash; she said warsh and draama. Both are correct for each state, but we argued a lot about it. When I went to school in Minneapolis, MN, I was teased for a Nebraska accent. What is interesting is that language experts are making a lot of discoveries of simularities between some area accents in Britain and some American accents, usually in rural areas. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Or from Pittsburgh, y'uns. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield.>> Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 11:15:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31FF1nS032039 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:15:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31FErFY023888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31FEJWi046665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31FEH6l063613; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31FEE7C063454 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:15:57 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F66281@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] [ h-cost] OT - Accents - was Making history hip Thread-Index: AciT+Zz8f8Ys0AIDRz+zSsBMLyCzugAAizUgAAGD4QAAAWSGwAAA3tXg References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1><007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2008 15:15:57.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[4977FAD0:01C8940B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] OT - Accents - was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8c2e8c8-482f-4b53-8253-8419499a2efa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F2516D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 11:16:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31FGJQe032108 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:16:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31FGEdP013319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31DUxfQ035626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DUvNR025881; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DUsrU025718 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from IBMTHINKPAD [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A90803A4; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:30:48 -0400 Received: from IBMTHINKPAD ([72.95.246.245] helo=IBMTHINKPAD) by ASSP-nospam; 1 Apr 2008 09:30:47 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01c893fc$98eade70$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:30:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3fd74d34-a0af-43ef-b34c-ae6caf67b426 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F251BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:16:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO well, the Yunzers of Pittsburg probably would! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip > Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South > Philadelphia, > you should be able to tell, youse guys! > KY and TN sound very different from TX. > Candace Perry > Bally, PA > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Dianne > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip > > Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney > accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a > Londoner, > > but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield.>> > > Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania > accent? > > How about Kentucky and Texas? > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 11:34:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31FYk58000732 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:34:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31FYX3d007302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:34:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31FSu0I048289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31FSulH082726; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31FSrYP082524 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42A6126F62 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:28:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47F262BB.8040602@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:28:43 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <48EE9B4A-9308-4673-A45F-2580F90D22EF@faucet.net> <260980.29734.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080330225057.04312e80@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20080330225057.04312e80@pop.radiks.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dc12c8f-8506-4d47-82f3-edcfa7cfda9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F25609.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Hello, all! > > Has anyone been watching the HBO series, "John Adams"? What is your > general impression of: > Costumes - both the principal characters and the general > populace/servants/etc.? I've seen the first two parts. I'm no expert on the period but it's obvious that they've come down with "olde tyme disease", trying to make everything look old fashioned. All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. I've seen late 18th century clothing in pictures and in person and it is sometimes vibrantly colored, even simple men's suits had color and decoration. Mrs. Adams doesn't seem to own a single ruffle or a flowered dress so common to the period. Even her dinner gown in the first episode was very drab even if it was silk. I did like seeing Mr Adams and the others in wigs, and having them removed every now and then for comfort. It seemed very natural and normal and added a lot. Some of the events have been adjusted for dramatic purposes, for example, the British attack in Concord at the Old North Bridge is nowhere near the Adams homestead and would have been a ride of some 20 miles as the crow flies. Likewise, the captured cannon from Ft Ticonderoga would not have gone on the road past the Adams home, it's 10-15 miles out of the way. Servants? What servants? I'd expect the Adams' to have a couple farmhands and at least one girl in the house, but I've seen none. There's no way Abigail is running the farm by herself with 3 small kids. They might have a cow and some chickens, but no way there's a crop coming without help. Despite that I'm actually enjoying the show. It's nice to get period programming even if they do take a few liberties. I don't think this story has been completely butchered. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 13:00:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31H07V2005813 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:00:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31GxxXk030701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:00:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31Gx95l063467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31Gx7QS012484; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31Gx3BL012391 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:59:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.69388635; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:31:54 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m31GVpH11091.; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:31:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:31:51 +0100 Message-Id: <47F2717702000014000E56C1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:31:35 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 083296e3-0647-465d-bab4-0af7b092de61 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F26A0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:00:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ------------------------------ Dianne wrote: >Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania >accent? >How about Kentucky and Texas? OK, point taken! and Jean Waddie wrote: >I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume >that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if >people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought "Ah, that's what >Cockney is!" I read once that Bernard Cornwell originally envisaged Sharpe as a dark-haired Cockney, but after Sean Bean had made the role so much his own, even he started to think of him as a fair-haired Yorkshireman. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 14:54:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31Isqlu014184 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:54:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31IshH0003681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:54:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31In7HP077919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31In3Qh055428; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31In1mG055290 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah.krans@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080401184856.QCYO2641.mta31.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:48:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [24.179.158.209]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080401184855.PIVK11293.aarprv06.charter.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:48:55 -0400 Message-Id: <990E7E53-325F-4E1A-85D7-5744688BB996@charter.net> From: Sarah Krans To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:50:10 -0500 References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0881ff59-b4a6-452b-ab5b-ed50072acba7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F284F3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:54:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And Kentucky is different than Tennessee. :) For the most part, the same is said about every state/region. Sarah K Wisconsin (but have been asked on a number of occasions if I were from Canada!) > > > Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South > Philadelphia, > you should be able to tell, youse guys! > KY and TN sound very different from TX. > Candace Perry > Bally, PA > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 16:49:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31KnIvf021945 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:49:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31KnC7g002749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:49:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31Kmc1s091320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31Kma6X010737; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:48:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31KmXv9010561 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c6d.250d2f78 (42807) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:48:00 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d94104f-3cbf-4d89-8139-e71dc1d7d2ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F29FC8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:49:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. ******************* This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 17:03:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31L3cki022576 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:03:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31L3XjK026036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31L3EgC092963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31L3DeZ030332; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31L3BF9030262 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6BEE38030 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:03:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:14:27 -0400 Message-ID: <015101c8943d$5e3ed0b0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AciUOk/s9KSp9b/PSQ+6fFsF22d9iQAAsIAQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0dd4f7d9-871d-4360-9997-71b007ae3ee4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F2A325.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't watched the series, so I have no business replying most likely, but if you look at portraits of John he was pretty conservative. I think there's a famous Copley portrait (please correct me if I'm wrong) of the couple and they are quite "plain" as it were. They weren't like the Virginians. Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:48 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. ******************* This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 17:05:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31L5f8O022670 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:05:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31L5ZRQ012140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:05:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31L5Exk093172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31L5Dgf033018; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31L5970032931 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id D7FD32E83D2 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 684C42E83E0 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7227C240077 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:05:09 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:05:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series thread-index: AciUOchf08TQnSLcQEOaVdH4qYxtgAAAVjQw References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9ace96d-acf1-44a3-8950-39b510f011fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F2A39F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It could have been a way to show the differences between patriotic Americans versus Tories, British and French to the audience,(serious "Americans" vs frivolous everyone else) even though this probably didn't exist. Could also have been a cost-cutting measure as well as an artistic decision, because plain, neutral costumes take less time to make. See the film "Man of All Seasons" from the '60's when the interpretation of costume equalled drab for all but the highest nobility. Plain, "sad-colored" costumes would also keep the audience's attention on the actor's faces, not fixated on a beautiful print gown or a wonderfully embroidered waistcoat(darn!). Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:48 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. ******************* This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aol hom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 17:28:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31LSSo7023676 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:28:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31LSLpj024213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:28:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31LRqZ8095628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31LRnec060763; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31LRkWc060682 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A853830326; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:25:39 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <04c301c893f9$a0e856a0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <870801590804010641o7e825558gf728c39541ea49cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:27:43 -0700 Message-ID: <009201c8943f$396b1a30$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AciT/egYoryFm4m5TOaacoJ8mVYcMAAPhDnA In-Reply-To: <870801590804010641o7e825558gf728c39541ea49cf@mail.gmail.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb58f403-c825-46c0-a341-5a8fb1923220 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F2A8F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:28:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Doesn't the oil in the paint spread, making an oil spot? I've never used oils, as in theatre we can't have flammable paints. Before acrylics, we used to make our own paint, using hoof-and-horn glue. We called it casein paint. You mixed the ground up stuff (hooves and horns, apparently) up with water, heated it and mixed in dry pigment. Perhaps this is what they used in olden times for fabric. You can still get that kind of glue-it's called "mucilage" or possibly "hide" glue, the brown stuff that used to come in a glass bottle with an angled rubber top. It's hard to find, though. If your local stationary or craft store doesn't have it, try a wood working store. You can mix it with dry paint pigment or dye (if the dye is alcohol based, you have to dissolve the dye in alcohol first, but then can mix in the thinned glue. If I recall correctly; I haven't done this in years.) You could use poster paints for the colorant, they are just dry pigment without a binder. The glue acts as a binder. Another name for this might be "milk paint". This is sometimes found on old furniture. Apparently it's a pain to remove from furniture if you're refinishing. I've never come across it myself, but I think it's a version of this type of casein-based paint. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:41 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Dianne wrote: > > I can't imagine that watercolors or oils would work well at all. > > I would either use acrylic, heavily thinned with a textile medium, or > bite the bullet and buy silk paints from Dharma. > > Dianne > Thanks to all that have commented. I just have a question, for those that reccomended acrylic paints, do you use oil paints at all? One of my thoughts here, is that we have some evidence that fabrics were painted on for clothing prior to 1600, if only for children's or special occasion clothing that wasn't worn more than once or twice. There is the painting of Elizabeth from Bess of Hardwick Hall fame that looks to be painted fabric - though whether that was a real dress is not certain either. Anyway, it would seem like the oil paint would have been what was used to permanently mark fabric. I have only just begun working with oil paints myself, so I don't know how they handle in this case, whereas I have used acrylics on fabric. I had found that if the paint is thinned it doesn't crack or flaked, but the chance it will soak to areas you don't want, can be problematic. I suspect that I will be marking out the outfit I am making on my fabric, and then I'll test painting techniques on the scraps. Purchasing additional/specialty paints and dyes at this point is cost prohibitive when I do have these other paints in house and I'm sitting at home right now waiting for the plumber to show. thanks alex -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 17:32:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31LWbXe023862 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31LWUtj024763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:32:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31LWFaJ095979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31LWEQa066227; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31LWBZc066166 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A95F25902DC; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:30:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1><007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:32:12 -0700 Message-ID: <009301c8943f$d8fa1e20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AciT+Zz8f8Ys0AIDRz+zSsBMLyCzugAAizUgAAGD4QAAAWSGwAAN/ebA In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be3547cc-4ab0-4e24-8231-df787545c934 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F2A9EE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:32:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There's an island off the Carolina coast, which, until they got a bridge and satellite TV, had an almost perfect version of a 16th century eastern English accent, which has died out/changed in England. My mom is frequently asked if she is from New York, but she is a native San Franciscan. The accent is similar, apparently. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:59 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Sometimes it is difficult to pick up accents and how people will react. My Dad was born and raised in New York State. The accent there is quite different than the Bronx, for example. Twenty years in the Air Force and thirty years in Nebraska "erased" his NYS accent--he and two of his sisters sounded quite different to me as a teenager from my two aunts that remained in their home state. Eighteen years in northern Arkansas, gave he and my Mom a bit of Arkansas/southern Missouri "twang", but not much. Mom was raised in western Iowa, but she and I pronounced drama and wash differently. I say dra-ma and wash; she said warsh and draama. Both are correct for each state, but we argued a lot about it. When I went to school in Minneapolis, MN, I was teased for a Nebraska accent. What is interesting is that language experts are making a lot of discoveries of simularities between some area accents in Britain and some American accents, usually in rural areas. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Or from Pittsburgh, y'uns. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield.>> Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 17:44:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31LiqnJ024371 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:44:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31LieWk004082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31LiJeL097226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31LiIGo081059; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31LiGqC080912 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so2976157wxc.23 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr18008530qbh.24.1207086250599; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.1 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070804011444gbaba3c4t397211ab4eb4a32d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:44:10 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ef9cf72-bf3f-4bf0-9436-6509f85069c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F2ACC8.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When they showed the first continental congress, there was a bit more variety of costume. People from the south, like Jefferson, were wearing silk and colors, I think Jefferson's coat was lavender. They were definitely more dandified than the Boston delegation. Though still rather plain. Katy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > It could have been a way to show the differences between patriotic > Americans versus Tories, British and French to the audience,(serious > "Americans" vs frivolous everyone else) even though this probably didn't > exist. Could also have been a cost-cutting measure as well as an > artistic decision, because plain, neutral costumes take less time to > make. See the film "Man of All Seasons" from the '60's when the > interpretation of costume equalled drab for all but the highest > nobility. Plain, "sad-colored" costumes would also keep the audience's > attention on the actor's faces, not fixated on a beautiful print gown or > a wonderfully embroidered waistcoat(darn!). > > Cindy Abel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:48 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series > > > > > In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dawn@reddawn.net writes: > > All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's > no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. > > > ******************* > > This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his > paintings. > That seems just like something an art director would do. > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on > AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aol > hom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 19:06:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31N6Jug027738 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:06:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31N6Dir011380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31N5WfW004988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31N5RF3073238; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31N5NEC073079 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c26.2fe1479f (42807) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:05:13 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4560cd2-6a33-43bb-9e45-ffab1349e3ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F2BFE5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:06:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/1/2008 5:32:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: There's an island off the Carolina coast, which, until they got a bridge and satellite TV, had an almost perfect version of a 16th century eastern English accent ****************** Ocracoke Island STILL doesn't have a bridge. Remnants of this accent can be heard on the coast of all the mid-Atlantic states, but it was particularly acute on the almost inaccessible Outer Banks Of NC. We used to call people who spoke that way "Hoi Toiders" [High Tiders]. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 19:17:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31NHosT028225 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:17:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31NHh8F001083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:17:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31NHAAj005966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31NH9Lf084585; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31NH7gh084471 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1657200wri.8 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr4781103rve.70.1207091821833; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:17:01 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50f44450-e759-47e5-902d-618b77aba824 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F2C297.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:17:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea & photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 19:57:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m31NvHZb030445 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m31NvBTc018679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31NumN6008876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:56:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31NulFO019934; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.123]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m31NuiiZ019809 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolscostuming5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59447 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2008 23:56:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f9SCW9wVM1kRR8ymEp6gSvZ.kdkF8RKMCMbKkA1zRlUbOx8Q.n0W4dgJwYKD1L60cfEkdrnaR91mgULefgXxGeOczmrxoQSRtf0EmHOqYhGO65alI7Pni5bUrxORULSESADxwIROX60OyuqbNgN0nrhj Received: from [66.99.2.193] by web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:56:39 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <69481.56512.qm@web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan world X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8398327c-482f-405c-883b-05a2b124e551 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F2CBD7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 20:42:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m320gF0V000372 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:42:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m320g9d2009156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:42:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m320fXR9013241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m320fVh5057003; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m320fR8O056894 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:41:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([151.199.135.241]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYO00I019NH8Q51@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:35:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:41:12 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" In-reply-to: <009301c8943f$d8fa1e20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <008d01c8945a$416bf220$c443d660$@carnegie@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AciT+Zz8f8Ys0AIDRz+zSsBMLyCzugAAizUgAAGD4QAAAWSGwAAN/ebAAAadjKA= References: <47F0ABD502000014000E544F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><04b801c893f9$51261850$09858d45@DDD7J8F1><007c01c893fc$08b4fde0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02F661B2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <009301c8943f$d8fa1e20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da60eef7-2f87-409d-bbae-2a541b15cec9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F2D661.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:42:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Most versions I have heard of this refer to Tangiers Island, which is off of Virginia not the Carolinas, I have heard references to the Carolinas and even the Ozarks! Tangiers is still accessible only by ferry. Of course none of the various places in America I have heard touted as having a surviving 16th century accent were in fact settled in that period! Ron Carnegie -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:32 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip There's an island off the Carolina coast, which, until they got a bridge and satellite TV, had an almost perfect version of a 16th century eastern English accent, which has died out/changed in England. My mom is frequently asked if she is from New York, but she is a native San Franciscan. The accent is similar, apparently. -----Original Message----- ndra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 21:48:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m321mCWD003282 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:48:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m321m6Eg028703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m321gNlA016890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m321gLgC002623; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:42:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m321gHAo002571 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:42:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3FA4AD02EC; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:40:10 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:42:16 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c89462$c8661be0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciUTkvKqEBnxa8bQkCLWzwvlJSBMwAFGu9g X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90eb37d1-672a-491b-8cbd-2fe1df0e2fab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F2E5D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, Cin, I'm going. What's this about scarlet letters? Sharon Collier -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:17 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea & photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 1 23:04:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3234UvC006753 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:04:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3234OM0027572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:04:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3233uY5021701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3233rlf063841; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3233oe8063769 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W44 ([65.55.138.79]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.196.72] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com" , thefrazzledfrau , "GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com" , "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:03:45 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2008 03:03:45.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[29F1B940:01C8946E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Danish Living History Site - WOW! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2513600-1495-4ab9-a6b5-c08410c47bd6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F2F7B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, my friend Camilla Luise Dahl who is a costume historian in Denmark, pointed me to their latest project. Sorry for the cross posts, but I wanted to get to as many folks as I could. Very cool headdresses!! As Camilla and I spoke last night, they will really make you wonder why the heart shaped Attifet worn by Mary Queen of Scots is attributed to her - looks like they came from here! http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html There are lots of wonderful pictures, gravestones, and effigies here which are probably rarely seen by most people. They are from the churches around Denmark. Most of the pictures I think are "donor" pictures. I don't read Danish, but you can basically pick any of the menus from the home page - most will take you to an album of churches. Click on the church and then you should see a selection of paintings. Each painting has several detailed shots. All are available for download in high definition. If you want just an overview of the goodies go here: http://www.livinghistory.dk/top10/top10.html or here http://livinghistory.dk/Pibekraver/index.html But there are many many more cool ones. The date range is from late 1500s to late 1600s (there may even be some later). You can use the search box to narrow it down a bit: For instance 1590-99 (but it appears that it must be in that format) Happy Browsing! Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 00:08:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3248YTa009467 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:08:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3248SQd023433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:08:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3247wQm026586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3247uCB014377; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3247p33014267 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 7.c1c.30ead25d (34910) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-dd17 (webmail-dd17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.17]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA027-885e47f3068d3c2; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:07:41 -0400 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:07:41 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.81.62 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-BASIC Received: from 4.239.81.62 by webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:07:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 120ddef5-6d67-487b-93e7-40354788e9e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F306BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create permanent creases? Justine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 00:18:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m324I09A009802 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:18:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m324HsmX007787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m324HdUC027089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m324HduZ021060; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m324HaG5020954 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (62.birmingham-06rh15rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.177.62]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2008040204173011200buc2le>; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:17:30 +0000 Message-ID: <004501c89478$76cc5c70$3eb14a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005001c89462$c8661be0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:17:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2db5e18e-f5c4-4bc7-81ba-6cdb7162f7de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F308F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:17:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Me too and I'm just as curious. Margaret Decker > Hi, Cin, I'm going. What's this about scarlet letters? > Sharon Collier > > > As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I > thought > I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea & photo ops? > Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 01:20:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m325KVvs012325 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 01:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m325KQqd001082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 01:20:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m325JpvO029781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m325JmHq059767; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m325Jjkt059706 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JgvNs-0002ao-FX for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:19:40 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080401235702.03ef0010@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:00:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <47F2717702000014000E56C1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.u k> References: <47F2717702000014000E56C1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5387a5dba1e6b14d0a82b5905dd0456f3ad2ae21d39556231d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regional accents X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0ff7e0c-db40-42a3-a6e8-0169ba4721aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F3179A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:20:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've lived in Nebraska all my life, but I seem to have a talent for language - I've managed to fool people (not native to the described areas) that I'm from New York City/Brooklyn and also from the U. K. If I talk to someone for more than a few minutes, I start to pick up their accent. Sandy P.S. - Cindy, I say "wash" too. At 11:31 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >Dianne wrote: > >Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania > >accent? > > >How about Kentucky and Texas? > >OK, point taken! > >and Jean Waddie wrote: > > >I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume > >that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if > >people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought "Ah, that's what > >Cockney is!" > >I read once that Bernard Cornwell originally envisaged Sharpe as a >dark-haired Cockney, but after Sean Bean had made the role so much >his own, even he started to think of him as a fair-haired Yorkshireman. > >Kate Bunting >Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian >University of Derby "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 06:16:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32AGfMU001733 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:16:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32AGZUp022505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:16:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32AG1Yx045324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32AFu3k071599; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32AFr45071518 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so440909ugd.17 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.19 with SMTP id s19mr440780ugm.70.1207131349026; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.8 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 03:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:15:48 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c8f8620-61bf-4056-9841-fca4ff57f1a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F35D03.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:16:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > permanent creases? I've made several fully kilted or pleated skirts and there are a few tips I'd recommend. Make a yoke to hang the pleats from. It's how it was done at the time and makes it easier and hang better. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/bella.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/absinthe.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm These are my three Victorian pleated skirts. The first two are stitched down at regular intervals down the length of the skirt. That's how they keep their shape. I pleated as much fabric as I was able and then treated that as a single pice of fabric that I cat to shape at the waist and that is how the skirts are rather full. The third is box pleated and the pleats need to be pressed anew each time I wear it. But the pleats need to be left open. Permanent pressers generally only deal with polyester (maybe a few other man made fibres) as it can be permanently pressed with heat. Cotton and linen will eventually lose the crisp edge. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 06:26:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32AQlb9002879 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:26:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32AQeCP021707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32APmnH045810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32APmKo078368; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32APjlE078294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182]:2412 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh09z-0003tU-NW for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:25:40 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080402112152.0379c4f0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:25:33 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com > References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 028ccb25-1521-44cc-bd58-bebac61fbcba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F35F61.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:26:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 11:15 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > > permanent creases? > >I've made several fully kilted or pleated skirts and there are a few >tips I'd recommend. > >Make a yoke to hang the pleats from. It's how it was done at the time >and makes it easier and hang better. >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/bella.htm >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/absinthe.htm >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm > >These are my three Victorian pleated skirts. The first two are >stitched down at regular intervals down the length of the skirt. >That's how they keep their shape. I pleated as much fabric as I was >able and then treated that as a single pice of fabric that I cat to >shape at the waist and that is how the skirts are rather full. >The third is box pleated and the pleats need to be pressed anew each >time I wear it. But the pleats need to be left open. > >Permanent pressers generally only deal with polyester (maybe a few >other man made fibres) as it can be permanently pressed with heat. >Cotton and linen will eventually lose the crisp edge. It may be worth looking for somewhere that does permanent pleating professionally. I use a firm to pleat my fabrics if I want the pleats to be permanent - they do it by machine and weight I believe. My firm will pleat anything, including silk organza, silk and cotton. They all keep their pleats. If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the entire length, baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and boring, but satisfying process!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 06:30:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32AUAYx003448 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:30:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32AU06D023316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32ATVd0045964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32ATVr3080829; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32ATRNf080782 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.69533979; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:57:11 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m329tXm27880.; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:55:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:55:29 +0100 Message-Id: <47F3661C02000014000E5741@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:55:23 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Living History Site - WOW! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1fc537a-5bda-4a49-a7fc-2511b4e85696 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F36028.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:30:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html Wow indeed! What a fascinating site, with some quite haunting portraits. In English churches you can see memorials with sculpted portraits of the deceased, but never oil paintings. I gather a lot of the subjects must be clergymen, as they're wearing ruffs long after these ceased to be fashionable. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 07:02:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32B2s18010822 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:02:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32B2mtL003467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32B2MpE047949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32B2LqE006304; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32B2J1B006216 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2684956pyc.4 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.126.16 with SMTP id d16mr19500766qbn.84.1207134131956; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.1 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070804020402x7f2d19a9scb7b0fc5df2136ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:02:11 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6eb1ca1-68a2-4b5e-9ffa-023b67c9bc52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F367D8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In period they would often run a line of stitching on the backside of the pleating, catching each interior fold. There would be one or multiple rows of this stitching, unseen from the outside, which would keep the inner edge of the fold in place. Katy On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:07 AM, wrote: > Hello, I bought material to make my first bustle dress, I am going to > try and emulate a gown I have in a La Mode Parisiennes fashion plate > from 1880 with consideration of Edna Pontellier's white cotton ensemble > at the beginning of Grand Isle. > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > permanent creases? > > Justine. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 07:17:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32BHc4t014422 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:17:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32BHTXl020331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:17:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32BH6Sx048766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32BH4qa018123; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32BH0Pk018080 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.69539281; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:18:31 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m3289bm23429.; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:09:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:09:37 +0100 Message-Id: <47F34D4902000014000E5718@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:09:29 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 119 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e60147b8-7993-418f-a52f-2be8af6048bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F36B49.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:17:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sharon Collier wrote: >......................................................... Before acrylics, we used >to make our own paint, using hoof-and-horn glue. We called it casein paint. >You mixed the ground up stuff (hooves and horns, apparently) up with water, >heated it and mixed in dry pigment. Perhaps this is what they used in olden >times for fabric. >You can still get that kind of glue-it's called "mucilage" or possibly >"hide" glue, the brown stuff that used to come in a glass bottle with an >angled rubber top. ..... >Another name for this might be "milk paint". This is sometimes found on old >furniture. Apparently it's a pain to remove from furniture if you're >refinishing. I've never come across it myself, but I think it's a version of >this type of casein-based paint. Are you sure you're not talking about two different things, Sharon? My understanding is that casein is a substance found in milk and cheese, but the substance extracted from hooves and horns is gelatin. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 07:40:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32Bedat017843 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:40:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32BeY8p032636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:40:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32BdpWo049919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32BdoDf035610; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Bdki3035491 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cf9.2ed0fb11 (65097) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:39:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85d16fc6-30df-4896-8021-fafa1c468925 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F370B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 08:49:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32CnktB020864 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:49:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32CnbuP020755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32Ci9rU054786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Ci4m8091275; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Ci1Eh091088 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from IBMTHINKPAD [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id AF8C02F4; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:43:56 -0400 Received: from IBMTHINKPAD ([71.182.166.65] helo=IBMTHINKPAD) by ASSP-nospam; 2 Apr 2008 08:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c894bf$37c85780$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:43:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98eab5a2-1960-4e2d-a407-2627bb8ab95f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F380E1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:49:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not sure of the gown you will be trying to interpret; most dresses I have seen first hand have the pleating around the underskirt; usually 8/12 ". There is a pleater board that Clotilda carries that does the pleating so quicklyfor this width. .It is a square with "pockets" that you stuff and press. The first time I used it i said "yeah shure" and was surprised to have four yards pleated whith in an hour...a job that usually meant a whole day involvement. just remember that the fabric being pleated is hemmed in advance!! I used spraystarch for a crisp finish and this held up pretty much through the drycleaning. I vaguely remember seeing the device produced for 30"? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] Knife pleating: > Hello, I bought material to make my first bustle dress, I am going to > try and emulate a gown I have in a La Mode Parisiennes fashion plate > from 1880 with consideration of Edna Pontellier's white cotton ensemble > at the beginning of Grand Isle. > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > permanent creases? > > Justine. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 09:09:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32D9dsw021544 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:09:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32D9UDM022686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:09:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32D905R056665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32D8x7q014377; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32D8u34014238 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ccb.237df256 (39330) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:08:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55a57054-8d0b-43b7-b010-e14aa6c8d481 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F3858A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:09:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/2/2008 7:02:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, katybishop64@gmail.com writes: There would be one or multiple rows of this stitching, unseen from the outside, which would keep the inner edge of the fold in place. ********************* And I have seen on period examples the front fold edge-stitched to keep it folded. This was done by machine in matching thread right-on-the-edge....I mean so close as to be practically invisible. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 09:16:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32DGM3H021819 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:16:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32DGG3x004131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32DFsjF057210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32DFrCT020730; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32DFpb2020587 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W12 ([65.55.138.47]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:15:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.196.72] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:15:46 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080402112152.0379c4f0@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080402112152.0379c4f0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2008 13:15:46.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[A97B41E0:01C894C3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eae50383-01b1-4321-84e0-b239deb6ba4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F38720.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:16:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Suzi, Could you tell us who you use, and approximately what it costs to have this done? I have seen these adds before, but just assumed you had to have stuff done in such huge amounts that it probably wasn't affordable. Thanks,Sg> > It may be worth looking for somewhere that does permanent pleating > professionally. I use a firm to pleat my fabrics if I want the pleats > to be permanent - they do it by machine and weight I believe. My firm > will pleat anything, including silk organza, silk and cotton. They > all keep their pleats.> > If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the entire length, > baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and boring, but > satisfying process!)> > Suzi> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 09:28:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32DS2JS022220 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:28:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32DRlJV014135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:27:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32DROHF059222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32DRMtH033029; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32DRJMF032848 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W20 ([65.55.138.55]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.196.72] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:27:12 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47F262BB.8040602@reddawn.net> References: <48EE9B4A-9308-4673-A45F-2580F90D22EF@faucet.net> <260980.29734.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080330225057.04312e80@pop.radiks.net> <47F262BB.8040602@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2008 13:27:12.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[427CEA50:01C894C5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series - Servants and pins. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f62f0cc9-b460-41b6-b707-4a46db06216d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F389D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:27:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am reading the book right now - early on, when John is about 41, indeed they do not have any servants except one girl who lived (and died, I might add, of an epidemic) while John was in Philadelphia. By this time-the Adams of Braintree Massachusetts, were 4th generation American farmers; who did lots of things on the side to survive, from shoe cobbling to malt making. I am enjoying the book.... Sg Oh, I forgot to add some costume content! One anecdotal note was made when Abigal asked John to buy her a bundle of pins from Philadelphia: '''The cry for pins is so great that what we used to buy for 7 shilling and six pence are now 20 shillings and not to be had for that." A bundle of pins contained six thousand, she explained. These she could sell for hard money or use for barter." > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:28:43 -0600> From: dawn@reddawn.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series> > Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:> Servants? What servants? I'd expect the Adams' to have a couple > farmhands and at least one girl in the house, but I've seen none. > There's no way Abigail is running the farm by herself with 3 small kids. > They might have a cow and some chickens, but no way there's a crop > coming without help.> > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 10:46:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32Ek4Gl025771 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:46:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32EjsDQ028927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32EjGSq068554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32EjA2W059138; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Ej7Bn058977 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c4b.25c46def (37140) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-nb05 (webmail-nb05.sim.aol.com [207.200.69.197]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA032-911447f39be91f9; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:44:57 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:44:57 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 63.228.155.130 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD Received: from 63.228.155.130 by webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com (207.200.69.197) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:44:56 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA62E741197069-220-44BA@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Professional pleaters X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fabb621-3ea8-4d2e-a6d6-ed9db4516330 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F39C22.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:45:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO < > It may be worth looking for somewhere that does permanent pleating > professionally. I use a firm to pleat my fabrics if I want the pleats > to be permanent - they do it by machine and weight I believe. My firm > will pleat anything, including silk organza, silk and cotton. They > all keep their pleats.> > If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the entire length, > baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and boring, but > satisfying process I have always used A-1 Pleating in Los Angeles.? It's not true that they only deal with polyester. I have had a lot of natural fabrics pleated.? They can do a variety of different pleats and they stay in the fabric because they "cook" them in pleating ovens.? Even if the pleats fall out a little bit over the years, the creases remain and it's pretty easy to touch them up.? I especially like having sunburst pleats done because it's impossible to do them yourself.? And it's true that it can be pricey but if you're needing to save time and want accuracy and permanency, it's worth the expense. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 12:27:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32GRKXZ031543 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:27:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32GRA60023873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:27:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32GHuJA079623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32GHslA093716; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32GHntB093550 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:17:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8g3G1Z00117dt5G5A00a00; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:16:46 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8gHi1Z00W0CKaGd3Z00000; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:17:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-W9695UzfiEA:10 a=ymI-96uBMVCzLu40c9wA:9 a=6AQtr2Ue95VrVwVcAhfR6Xj9WNIA:4 a=d-AKD8BwCLQA:10 Message-ID: <02e201c894dd$1dfaad30$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47F2717702000014000E56C1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:17:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5e5d661-190e-494a-85a6-0051760400b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F3B3DE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dianne wrote: >Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania >accent? >How about Kentucky and Texas? OK, point taken!>> Good. I thought at first I might have come off snotty, and I didn't intend to do so. Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. As a native Michiganian, the main difference I notice between MI and my current residence of Pennsylvania is more of phrasing--PA says soda, Michigan calls it pop. And I don't recall ever hearing a waitress in MI asking if we "want your drinks a while till your food is ready?", or a Michiganian saying "youse guys". Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 13:43:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32HhWVo002249 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:43:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32HhMde012113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:43:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32Hgbde092905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32HgXjJ019531; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32HgTt1019126 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8adj1Z0070mv7h0510TJ00; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:41:31 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.198.114.173]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8hiH1Z00J3kY7qX3X00000; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:42:22 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eAtWa3giwpoA:10 a=my6_3J_VnlAAQ9Pg2p0A:9 a=ht-lId91Sm6ps_IX_nTepVxqBHUA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=9OHTkwyHC8cA:10 Message-ID: <47F3C580.5030001@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:42:24 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2b108f4-36f4-431a-9b3d-a4548410c938 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F3C5BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've > though I was Scottish. > > I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from the North?" "Lots of planets have a north!" (Sorry, I had to...) andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 14:01:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32I1JYm002959 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:01:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32I17Aj025776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:01:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32Hx081094624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Hwxr9047533; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n8a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com (n8a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m32Hwt3k047334 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:58:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.179] by n8.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 17:58:50 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.110] by t5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 17:58:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2008 17:58:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 220341.73512.bm@omp215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 24193 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 17:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.207.118.196 with plain) by smtp108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 17:58:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JGMitooVM1nVXEBeLkLDRznlqWizDq0KlCgMlI.jnxWbgsxGvecQJC9pzRS2geEqKBadIlFhueWl0YbcnYJBJPSUc6dkdHtq9cihPg0j1VGcur0gdoywdcbAgRA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47F3C955.5040305@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:58:45 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <47F3C580.5030001@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <47F3C580.5030001@bovil.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45d2133e-5759-40b9-aab8-135d2ea88a9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F3C9E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:01:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Andrew Trembley wrote: > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've >> though I was Scottish. >> >> I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* >> > > > "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from > the North?" > > "Lots of planets have a north!" > > (Sorry, I had to...) > > andy > > Yeees - that's North East England, Debs! But then, if you came from North East Scotland, even I wouldn't be able to understand you. Jean (from south east England, now living in south east Scotland) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 14:29:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32ITfGj004243 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:29:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32ITVTM029593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32IO6Sm097076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32IO5Em089054; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32IO4ZI088883 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so2079432wri.8 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.134.15 with SMTP id h15mr5212309rvd.48.1207160638526; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:23:58 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07ccab67-df3f-4cfb-8f6e-12b5e18fc2c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F3D08B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:29:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Tangier Is has an airport & has had one for 40+ years. I've flown in there. Small planes, mind you. It's also accessible by anyone with a motorboat. You didnt need a satellite TV to pick up "foreign" or "polluting" accents. There was radio available and broadcast TV, too. None of these places are so isolated as these stories like to pretend. When I was a kid, we used to spend the morning fishing in the Chesapeake, then go to the Tangier inn & restaurant and get the world's best grits & gravy. They do have a distinctive accent, often attributed to massive inbreeding. That was probably just our Accomac county snobbery talking. I remember reading a Thomas Hardy novel, maybe Jude the Obscure, and thinking that the provincial Sussex accent mocked by another character sounded remarkably like someone from Rappahannock VA. Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, what would it be? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com > Most versions I have heard of this refer to Tangiers Island, which is off of Virginia not the Carolinas, I have heard references to the Carolinas and even the Ozarks! Tangiers is still accessible only by ferry. Of course none of the various places in America I have heard touted as having a surviving 16th century accent were in fact settled in that period! > Ron Carnegie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 14:44:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32Ii7qK006227 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:44:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32Ii1Mo018897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32Ihfdh099052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32IhdOk013909; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32IhY7p013696 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8gz31Z00R0mlR8UA80Aa00; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:42:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.108] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8ijU1Z0074jAXBL8X00000; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:43:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4pZrYQ_xZ8cA:10 a=-CxPdMAz7prklMq0HQYA:9 a=FItJ_uqA1B1zeIuMvCvo8EUAsB8A:4 a=IGyOp-rlJCkA:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 a=DysA_5ajTqKZS67NWtcA:9 a=8Gdg5hy493Smgx9EH0dLTQUUWJYA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080402112152.0379c4f0@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-Id: <42B23E16-C549-430D-94CD-5AD874065378@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:42:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 921e2a3b-3148-4345-9dc1-abe881d5f8cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F3D3F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:44:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO When I was doing wedding dresses, I used San Francisco Pleating Co. There were no minimums, they were fine with pleating a yard or less. Here's contact info: San Francisco Pleating Co.- 425 2nd St.,San Francisco, CA., 94107, (415)982-3003 Custom pleating. They do knife, accordion, crystal, box, mushroom and sunburst pleating on your cloth. Send business sized (#10) SASE for brochure. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 14:50:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32Io4A5006520 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:50:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32InsSG009480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:49:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32InTJK099566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32InT7o021750; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32InQAh021586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182]:4199 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh81P-0001Gg-8l for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:49:20 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080402194742.037a1df0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:49:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080402112152.0379c4f0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20e4152b-5751-4a92-855f-c2562ddeeb08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F3D552.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 14:15 02/04/2008, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, Could you tell us who you use, and approximately what it >costs to have this done? I have seen these adds before, but just >assumed you had to have stuff done in such huge amounts that it >probably wasn't affordable. Saragrace As I work in England I think it would be prohibitive for you to have fabric pleated here. There are U.S. suggestions from others on the list, I see - or Google. Suzi > >Thanks,Sg> > It may be worth looking for somewhere that does >permanent pleating > professionally. I use a firm to pleat my >fabrics if I want the pleats > to be permanent - they do it by >machine and weight I believe. My firm > will pleat anything, >including silk organza, silk and cotton. They > all keep their >pleats.> > If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the >entire length, > baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and >boring, but > satisfying process!)> > Suzi> > >_______________________________________________> h-costume mailing >list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 15:02:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32J2Uhf007009 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:02:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32J2FF5017808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:02:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32J1mUM001051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32J1maZ039366; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:01:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32J1jMG039011 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4260C1273DF for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:01:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47F3E61E.8060304@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:01:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 273d191c-4a8b-4b00-af19-b9f4039a83df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F3D837.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, > what would it be? > --cin LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where I'd wear it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 15:18:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32JICH1007293 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:18:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32JI2HR010203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32JHdxb002657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32JHcKv070393; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32JHabC070224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182]:4534 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh8Sh-0004Yn-3H for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:17:31 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080402201517.037a1df0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:17:24 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <47F3E61E.8060304@reddawn.net> References: <47F3E61E.8060304@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26650546-6840-4636-9520-cf7cfd97530f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F3DBEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 21:01 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question > > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, > > what would it be? > > --cin > >LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! > >I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy >style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where >I'd wear it. http://www.geocities.com/mm_civil_war1/GWTW_Scarlett.html This, but I'd need someone to make me the right shape to wear it!! (I think if you could roll me out like making a sausage, my short fat body would become tall and slim - fat chance!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 15:19:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32JJoM9007314 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:19:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32JJcek002933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:19:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32JJKGf002870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32JJJ7c072615; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32JJFme072464 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c1b.2b4c0c6b (14501) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:18:52 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b9fef68-b1ce-4180-8327-4da3c56f6e2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F3DC4A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:19:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 02/04/2008 19:00:26 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Andrew Trembley wrote: > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've >> though I was Scottish. >> >> I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* >> > > > "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from > the North?" > > "Lots of planets have a north!" > > (Sorry, I had to...) > > andy > > Yeees - that's North East England, Debs! But then, if you came from North East Scotland, even I wouldn't be able to understand you. Jean (from south east England, now living in south east Scotland) But my assumption would be that the additional specification of north east england would be redundant, as the first sentence made it clear which country I was referring to.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 17:16:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32LG5FF012302 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:16:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32LFtZB026101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32LEwqh015921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LEtme026447; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LEroA026333 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:14:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2924869pyc.4 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.53.7 with SMTP id b7mr20943117qba.68.1207170888118; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.163.1 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070804021414o55a132b1re5ab0cc338d866cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:14:48 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080402201517.037a1df0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F3E61E.8060304@reddawn.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080402201517.037a1df0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba66be9a-a21e-4227-8335-2c0fe4c1104c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F3F78B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I made that dress years ago for a bride--she had the perfect figure and personality for it. When she first called me, after trying several other bridal dressmakers, who had barely even heard of Gone With The Wind, she was thrilled when I knew exactly the dress she was talking about immediately. She was so cute. In deference to her fiance's family we made it in pale pink, but it had all the feathers and rhinestones. I ended up just calling her Scarlett by the end of our fittings. There were some fun brides among the boring or difficult ones..... Katy On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 21:01 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > > > Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question > > > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, > > > what would it be? > > > --cin > > > >LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! > > > >I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy > >style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where > >I'd wear it. > > > http://www.geocities.com/mm_civil_war1/GWTW_Scarlett.html > > This, but I'd need someone to make me the right shape to wear it!! (I > think if you could roll me out like making a sausage, my short fat > body would become tall and slim - fat chance!) > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 17:36:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32LajeK013653 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:36:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32LaZdw000733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32LZpbV017929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LZoY8050522; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LZkHW050319 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cec.2e364973 (39330) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:35:38 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 761ba2e2-d18c-4437-83b1-c409ea4d4b1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F3FC63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/1/2008 10:06:19 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:50:10 -0500 > From: Sarah Krans > Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <990E7E53-325F-4E1A-85D7-5744688BB996@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > And Kentucky is different than Tennessee. :) For the most part, the > same is said about every state/region. > > Sarah K > Wisconsin (but have been asked on a number of occasions if I were from > Canada!) Nah! You're jus from da Sous Side, aina hey! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 17:38:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32LccYL013764 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:38:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32Lc1B1005392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32LavJV018056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Lav5M051726; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Larl9051584 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080402213643.VMOP2641.mta31.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:36:43 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080402213643.KIND11293.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:36:43 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:36:46 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c89509$a6b39390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AciVCaZQvd81lLvPQTyGyKSxdat5WQ== X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Help finding image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d264acf2-daef-4b5d-8e7c-454eaf3a24a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F3FCB9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Alright - I thought I had one bookmarked, but cannot find it when I need it! I am looking for an online source of the image which shows 4 or 5 English women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens????) to take to market in town. One of the other women may be "a citizen of London"???? Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a link to this image somewhere?? Thank you!!! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 17:39:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32LdU3O013801 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:39:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32LdNoN013594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:39:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32Lc7fJ018178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Lc7NL052935; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Lc4oh052768 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ca1.2ba10f31 (39330) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:37:48 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:37:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bbf2a02-b1d8-4f08-b3a0-f082ef9d14c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F3FD0B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:39:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/1/2008 10:06:19 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Subject: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon > To: h-cost > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I > thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea > &photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com Being the Spy that I am, I offer my table as a meeting post. I look forward to meeting you! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 17:48:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32LmSFJ014290 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:48:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32LmMmd006629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:48:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32Lm2Zo019218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32Lm2on063850; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LlwPU063654 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAA512742D for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:47:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47F40D13.3010906@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:47:47 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <006e01c89509$a6b39390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> In-Reply-To: <006e01c89509$a6b39390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ce75847-7a32-4f00-ad64-e6009cbd8a6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F3FF26.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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This one? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-SGAPxUqpJAunP1FuPfR6g Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 17:49:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32Ln16p014340 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:49:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32Lmq54010165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32LmUFc019263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LmUUJ064416; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32LmQwB064241 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d07.2b580fe1 (39330) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:48:19 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 121 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05b22e0d-9fa7-4c45-873e-24f06ea6ac35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F3FF44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/2/2008 1:00:46 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > From: Andrew Trembley > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <47F3C580.5030001@bovil.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > > >Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've > >though I was Scottish. > > > >I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* > > > "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from > the North?" > > "Lots of planets have a north!" > > (Sorry, I had to...) It's ok! I got it! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 18:10:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32MAUNb015964 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:10:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32MALGb017507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:10:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32M8ibJ021217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32M8iuh085853; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32M8eCm085708 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:08:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080402220835.WHTG2641.mta31.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:08:35 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.97.142]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080402220835.PDAA17353.aarprv04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:08:35 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <006e01c89509$a6b39390$6401a8c0@OurComputer> <47F40D13.3010906@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:08:38 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c8950e$1a762410$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <47F40D13.3010906@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AciVC0Xm0Ilp5deJSj6+KGuaN6H05wAAs5UQ X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc773afc-2cd2-4302-b572-711d5e82700e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F4044D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:10:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That's it!!! Thank you!!! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:48 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image > > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something > > like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is > carrying a > > basket (with chickens????) > > This one? > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-SGAPxUqpJAunP1FuPfR6g > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 18:57:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32Mv5ma018932 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:57:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32MuvfV007259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:57:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32MuW0G025802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32MuTjE040874; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m32MuQ8c040739 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 80463 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2008 22:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.210.171 with plain) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2008 22:56:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MCT9DD0VM1lWA9RthIShGaGHgb9okS_bCRWHUL7SvvKD31Mi2WqdcsZjxWxiLy7uNw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47F40EC4.8040101@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:55:00 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <47F2717702000014000E56C1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <02e201c894dd$1dfaad30$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> In-Reply-To: <02e201c894dd$1dfaad30$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ebdafa4-b259-4bdb-831c-98fd53bbb834 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F40F39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:57:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dianne wrote: > Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish > between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from > England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. Those states in particular are a really good case in point. There isn't an Ohio accent--there are three or four, at least. There's the Cleveland/Northern accent (fairly nasal, somewhat akin to the typical Michigan accent), the Appalachian accent (SE part of the state, akin to West Virginia and eastern Kentucky), and two Midwestern accents --one a little more generic than the other (which involves people saying "warsh" for wash and "crick" for creek). Columbus, where I'm originally from, gets all four. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 19:18:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m32NIPKa020552 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:18:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m32NIJbK019246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:18:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m32NHplY027547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32NHowh060084; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:17:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m32NHl9k060044 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so3284029waf.3 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.13 with SMTP id y13mr15777516wad.134.1207178267307; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0804021617s751270f9ob01ed9eee3926db9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:17:47 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <42B23E16-C549-430D-94CD-5AD874065378@margospatterns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA628E3B5520D6-17B0-2FC@webmail-dd17.sysops.aol.com> <73fb7a5f0804020315m385038f4ye10737c52d98fef@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080402112152.0379c4f0@suziclarke.co.uk> <42B23E16-C549-430D-94CD-5AD874065378@margospatterns.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dede5b96-7a3e-4020-8060-2dffba288491 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F4143B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:18:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Margo et al, I am certain I remember someone on another list mentioning a year or two ago that SF Pleating had moved to South San Francisco. However, in looking them up in the on-line Yellow Pages, only the address on 2nd St, S.F. shows up with the same phone number Margo mentioned. My friend used SF Pleating a couple of times several years ago. She was very pleased with the job they did. She finished both edges of the fabric before sending it to them. Because it was short, yards of 6-7" fabric, they were willing to cut costs and pleat two widths at once. We all know how bustle gowns eat up pleating! No, I don't know the price. LynnD On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Margo Anderson wrote: > When I was doing wedding dresses, I used San Francisco Pleating Co. > There were no minimums, they were fine with pleating a yard or less. > Here's contact info: > > San Francisco Pleating Co.- 425 2nd St.,San Francisco, CA., 94107, > (415)982-3003 > Custom pleating. They do knife, accordion, crystal, box, mushroom and > sunburst pleating on your cloth. Send business sized (#10) SASE for > brochure. > > Margo > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 20:44:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m330iSDW026285 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:44:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m330iLam008041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:44:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m330hjvn033653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m330hgse030390; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m330hep8030292 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W9 ([65.55.138.44]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.196.72] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com" , thefrazzledfrau , "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:42:06 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2008 00:42:06.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B00AB50:01C89523] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Menu Translation for Danish Living History Site - WOW! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dbcc092-616d-49a7-9827-f62686659aa9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F42866.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:44:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am sending this on for those of you who are interested in the Danish Livi= ng History Site. To: GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com From: amadejska@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:07:06 +0300 Subject: Re: [GermanRenCostume] Danish Living History Site - WOW! = Ofcourse! No problem at all! :) Swedish and Danish are very closely related so if you speak one you can rea= d the other. If there are any specifics you would need feel free to ask me for translati= ons. Right now I can't really write that much due to tendenitis, but I can do sh= ort stuff. :) /Katheryn 2008/4/2, Saragrace Knauf : = = Thank you so much Katheryn - would it be okay to send this translation to o= ther lists? Sg To: GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com From: amadejska@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:40:34 +0300 Subject: Re: [GermanRenCostume] Danish Living History Site - WOW! Since I do read Danish I can at least translate the links on this page: http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html 1. Costumes on Epitafies (paintings/artwork of deceased) and gravestones 2. Painted Epitafies (paintings/artwork of deceased). (Burgher costumes fro= m the 17:th century) 3. Painted Epitafies. (Nobility) 4. Statues (free standing Epitafies) 5. Other inventories 6. Gravestones 7. Articles 8. 10 we can recommend 9. Cavalcade =96 the developement of costume 10. Ruffle collar gallery (this type of collar is still used by priests in= Denmark) I hope this helps. One thing to remember about Swedish, Danish and Norwegian: If it says 1500-talet it means 16:th century. If it says 1600-talet it mean= s 17:th century and so on. /Katheryn = . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = __._,_.___ = = = = Messages in this topic (4) = = = Reply (via web post) | = = Start a new topic = = = = = Messages = | Files = | Photos = | Links = | Database = | Polls = = = = = = = = = = = = = Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) = Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch f= ormat to Traditional = = Visit Your Group = | = Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | = Unsubscribe = = = = = = = = = = = = Recent Activity = = = 1 New Photos = = = = = = = = Visit Your Group = = = = = = Moderator Central = An online resource = for moderators = of Yahoo! Groups. = = All-Bran = 10 Day Challenge = Join the club and = feel the benefits. = = Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:27:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't have an on-line source, but it's on page 80 of my 'Visual History of Costume: The Sixteenth Century' by Jane Ashelford. Karen Seamstrix -- "Rebecca Schmitt" wrote: Alright - I thought I had one bookmarked, but cannot find it when I need it! I am looking for an online source of the image which shows 4 or 5 English women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens????) to take to market in town. One of the other women may be "a citizen of London"???? Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a link to this image somewhere?? Thank you!!! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 22:43:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m332hSFS000327 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:43:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m332hMIG032206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:43:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m332h0JW041173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m332h02r021008; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m332gujR020919 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JYQ003UDA730GN0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:42:39 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <20080402.212416.17953.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6edd443f-e876-451a-b753-cb3ea56416d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F4444B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Drea Leeds has the image on her site in Black and White: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/low erclass/lcolor.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/fl emish-dress.html&h=257&w=266&sz=69&hl=en&start=5&sig2=nrGtYqUjKybQHWDsCuquyw &tbnid=FCajIe6J7IC0DM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=113&ei=GkL0R9XyJqmkpwTqoYG_DQ&prev=/ima ges%3Fq%3DSixteenth%2Bcentury%2Bmiddle%2Bclass%2Bwomen%2B%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3De n%26sa%3DG Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of penhalion@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image I don't have an on-line source, but it's on page 80 of my 'Visual History of Costume: The Sixteenth Century' by Jane Ashelford. Karen Seamstrix -- "Rebecca Schmitt" wrote: Alright - I thought I had one bookmarked, but cannot find it when I need it! I am looking for an online source of the image which shows 4 or 5 English women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens????) to take to market in town. One of the other women may be "a citizen of London"???? Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a link to this image somewhere?? Thank you!!! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 2 23:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m333IX2c002393 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:18:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m333IQ5l014511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:18:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m333I4Lw044298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m333I3bD046757; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m333I0iR046653 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JhFxa-0007Ku-Rp for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:17:55 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080402221756.03b9fc60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:19:26 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5387a5dba1e6b14d0aebccb3586cee0c91d2e355a23a25a314350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c9e9154-b755-42fb-b849-1ce115facf23 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F44C82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:18:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The servants were in part 4 - from this past weekend - at the house they were residing at in France. >Has anyone been watching the HBO series, "John Adams"? What is your >general impression of: >Costumes - both the principal characters and the general >populace/servants/etc.? Sandy (and Pierre) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 04:50:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m338oT4a020726 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:50:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m338oNDR005637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:50:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m338nmeu062549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 02:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m338ngIw053749; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 02:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m338ncFm053693 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 02:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.69752003; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:16:56 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m338GpA00574.; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:16:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:16:51 +0100 Message-Id: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:16:30 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51d8d3c1-f6ea-4a9b-bb57-bc787c2a99fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F49A4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:50:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dianne wrote: > Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish > between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from > England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. and Susan Carroll-Clark replied : >Those states in particular are a really good case in point. There isn't >an Ohio accent--there are three or four, at least. There's the >Cleveland/Northern accent (fairly nasal, somewhat akin to the typical >Michigan accent), the Appalachian accent (SE part of the state, akin to >West Virginia and eastern Kentucky), and two Midwestern accents --one a >little more generic than the other (which involves people saying "warsh" >for wash and "crick" for creek). So are there several varieties of Yorkshire accent, as it's a large county (my mother came from East Yorks.). My original point was that Northern English speech in general is very different from Cockney (working-class London) speech. Even I can tell the difference between a New York and a Deep South accent! Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 06:39:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33Ad3jb006707 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:39:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33AcpwK007374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33AcKbM068613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33AcENj018370; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33AcDRD018266 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 04:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so4109139wxc.23 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.101.15 with SMTP id d15mr5477772rvm.249.1207219086555; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 03:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90804030338u650bdc13t2056b7024827147@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:38:06 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <3586f5070804021414o55a132b1re5ab0cc338d866cd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47F3E61E.8060304@reddawn.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080402201517.037a1df0@suziclarke.co.uk> <3586f5070804021414o55a132b1re5ab0cc338d866cd@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af8a5b81-775f-4c54-bd6e-70d2e62b2a35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F4B3BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm torn between gorgeous 50's evening gowns or an 1860 gown.Not sure where I would wear either gown but it would be fun. Sidney On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Katy Bishop wrote: > I made that dress years ago for a bride--she had the perfect figure > and personality for it. When she first called me, after trying > several other bridal dressmakers, who had barely even heard of Gone > With The Wind, she was thrilled when I knew exactly the dress she was > talking about immediately. She was so cute. In deference to her > fiance's family we made it in pale pink, but it had all the feathers > and rhinestones. I ended up just calling her Scarlett by the end of > our fittings. There were some fun brides among the boring or > difficult ones..... > > Katy > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > At 21:01 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a > question > > > > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream > costume, > > > > what would it be? > > > > --cin > > > > > >LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! > > > > > >I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy > > >style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where > > >I'd wear it. > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/mm_civil_war1/GWTW_Scarlett.html > > > > This, but I'd need someone to make me the right shape to wear it!! (I > > think if you could roll me out like making a sausage, my short fat > > body would become tall and slim - fat chance!) > > > > Suzi > > > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 13:38:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33HceoQ010021 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:38:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33HcYwQ021599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:38:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33Ha6IA011533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33HZoR4059563; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33HZf6C059359 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:35:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j27so1747637elf.11 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.141.15 with SMTP id o15mr112634rvd.2.1207244140551; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:35:40 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical paintings (was: issues documenting) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c60f99ac-96df-4daf-80f6-85fbb3b3ac69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F5161A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:38:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO No prob, Kimiko. That's why I have a library so I can have all those cool books. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Posted by: "Kimiko Small" kimiko@kimiko1.com sstormwatch Date: Wed Apr 2, 2008 12:48 pm ((PDT)) Thank you to everyone who has helped to explain allegorical images for me. I am still a bit confused, but it seems I have a lot of learning in front of me on this. And thank you Cynthia for your book recommendation. I now have it on my wish list. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 14:09:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33I9Znd011355 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:09:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33I9Tft011385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:09:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33I9C7o015683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33I9BL4004792; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33I91im004596 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B0863AEB5 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:08:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:09:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cec925a-3dba-4dc7-9081-1bfa9c70e7a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F51D59.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:09:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Monica, When a url is large you can shrink it here http://tinyurl.com/ Thank you, De -----Original Message----- Drea Leeds has the image on her site in Black and White: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/low erclass/lcolor.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/fl emish-dress.html&h=257&w=266&sz=69&hl=en&start=5&sig2=nrGtYqUjKybQHWDsCuquyw &tbnid=FCajIe6J7IC0DM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=113&ei=GkL0R9XyJqmkpwTqoYG_DQ&prev=/ima ges%3Fq%3DSixteenth%2Bcentury%2Bmiddle%2Bclass%2Bwomen%2B%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3De n%26sa%3DG Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 16:23:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33KNgev017576 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:23:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33KNZRn028148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:23:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33KMTGh030293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33KMQhw086905; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33KMG0C086628 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABFC200300C6; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:20:12 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47F34D4902000014000E5718@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:22:04 -0700 Message-ID: <009101c895c8$61a68540$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciUsvLh9xhEqLSTQNmpsPTYw3HjzQBFDX1A In-reply-to: <47F34D4902000014000E5718@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 119 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36ed45b6-ecb3-4678-8e98-36dbdffa1240 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F53CC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:23:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kate, you're probably right. I was only 14 at the time and we switched to acrylics the next year. I just remember calling it "casein".The first paint was a powder which we mixed with hot water, and added pigment. The second, when I was in college, "hoof and horn", was a coarser powder, more sand like in consistency. We mixed this with water also, but it needed to be heated. Then pigment was added. I always thought they were 2 versions of the same stuff. Either way, they can be used on fabric without "bleed" from the oil in oil paint. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:09 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 119 Sharon Collier wrote: >......................................................... Before >acrylics, we used to make our own paint, using hoof-and-horn glue. We called it casein paint. >You mixed the ground up stuff (hooves and horns, apparently) up with >water, heated it and mixed in dry pigment. Perhaps this is what they >used in olden times for fabric. >You can still get that kind of glue-it's called "mucilage" or possibly >"hide" glue, the brown stuff that used to come in a glass bottle with >an angled rubber top. ..... >Another name for this might be "milk paint". This is sometimes found on >old furniture. Apparently it's a pain to remove from furniture if >you're refinishing. I've never come across it myself, but I think it's >a version of this type of casein-based paint. Are you sure you're not talking about two different things, Sharon? My understanding is that casein is a substance found in milk and cheese, but the substance extracted from hooves and horns is gelatin. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 16:27:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33KRZWd017784 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:27:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33KRThX018793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:27:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33KR0dj031341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33KQxKi093352; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33KQs4v093242 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD12439C00EA; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:24:50 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:26:42 -0700 Message-ID: <009201c895c9$074a8af0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciU7oe1BDrJ9ylORhWDszxC0oktwgA2gRCw In-reply-to: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06a34758-f632-4d31-82c7-5f5b75cca595 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F53DB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A new Ren court dress for dancing. I have the earrings I'm basing the dress on. Now all I have to do is find the fabrics, trim, beads, make a corset and hoops, get shoes, figure out a hat and make the thing! I already have a bumroll, so that makes the job so much easier. :-) Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:24 AM To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making history hip (OT) Tangier Is has an airport & has had one for 40+ years. I've flown in there. Small planes, mind you. It's also accessible by anyone with a motorboat. You didnt need a satellite TV to pick up "foreign" or "polluting" accents. There was radio available and broadcast TV, too. None of these places are so isolated as these stories like to pretend. When I was a kid, we used to spend the morning fishing in the Chesapeake, then go to the Tangier inn & restaurant and get the world's best grits & gravy. They do have a distinctive accent, often attributed to massive inbreeding. That was probably just our Accomac county snobbery talking. I remember reading a Thomas Hardy novel, maybe Jude the Obscure, and thinking that the provincial Sussex accent mocked by another character sounded remarkably like someone from Rappahannock VA. Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, what would it be? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com > Most versions I have heard of this refer to Tangiers Island, which is > off of Virginia not the Carolinas, I have heard references to the Carolinas and even the Ozarks! Tangiers is still accessible only by ferry. Of course none of the various places in America I have heard touted as having a surviving 16th century accent were in fact settled in that period! > Ron Carnegie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 18:14:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33MErZs023808 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:14:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33MElkf000729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:14:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33MDsI8038479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33MDj5r005922; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33MDe9V005520 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:13:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY106-W28 ([65.54.161.128]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.217.162.135] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:03:54 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009201c895c9$074a8af0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <009201c895c9$074a8af0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2008 22:03:53.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B2FF310:01C895D6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fcbb492-fbac-431c-a6c8-9d984dbe3aee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F556D7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO LOL. That's my idea of invested in a costume also, earings and a bum roll! Laurie > From: sharon@collierfam.com> A new Ren court dress for dancing. I have the earrings I'm basing the dress> on. Now all I have to do is find the fabrics, trim, beads, make a corset and> hoops, get shoes, figure out a hat and make the thing! I already have a> bumroll, so that makes the job so much easier. :-)> Sharon> > _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 18:21:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m33ML8xb024101 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:21:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m33ML3LQ013535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33MKikO039208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33MKh9s017434; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33MKfeV017378 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so952664ugd.17 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr195143ugm.21.1207257471687; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.8 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0804031417h6caacac6k4b6e2e0c1458d715@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:17:51 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe8764e9-d406-432b-92bd-7d38e362deec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F5584F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:21:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually the simplest thing is to actually click the link google provides at the top of the frame. Google images is a search engine, not a web site and the framed page it shows up initially is not the url you should point people to. This is the correct link: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html And scroll down. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com On 4/4/08, otsisto wrote: > Monica, > When a url is large you can shrink it here > http://tinyurl.com/ > > Thank you, > De > > > -----Original Message----- > Drea Leeds has the image on her site in Black and White: > > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/low > erclass/lcolor.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/fl > emish-dress.html&h=257&w=266&sz=69&hl=en&start=5&sig2=nrGtYqUjKybQHWDsCuquyw > &tbnid=FCajIe6J7IC0DM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=113&ei=GkL0R9XyJqmkpwTqoYG_DQ&prev=/ima > ges%3Fq%3DSixteenth%2Bcentury%2Bmiddle%2Bclass%2Bwomen%2B%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3De > n%26sa%3DG > > Monica > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 3 20:48:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m340mHBW030353 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:48:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m340mALi022905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m340liBH054085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m340leiB053382; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outQ.internet-mail-service.net (outq.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.240]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m340lbvb053311 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:56:17 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 1A68B2D6004; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:47:34 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cad5978e-b1f4-461d-9d74-70471a405b57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F57ACA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On 03 Apr 2008, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Dianne wrote: > > Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish > > between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from > > England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. > > and Susan Carroll-Clark replied : > > >Those states in particular are a really good case in point. There isn't > >an Ohio accent--there are three or four, at least. There's the > >Cleveland/Northern accent (fairly nasal, somewhat akin to the typical > >Michigan accent), the Appalachian accent (SE part of the state, akin to > >West Virginia and eastern Kentucky), and two Midwestern accents --one a > >little more generic than the other (which involves people saying "warsh" > >for wash and "crick" for creek). > > So are there several varieties of Yorkshire accent, as it's a large county (my mother came from East Yorks.). My original point was that Northern English speech in general is very different from Cockney (working-class London) speech. Even I can tell the difference between a New York and a Deep South accent! I may not be able to tell a Tennessee accent from a Kentucky accent, but I also know better than to call something a Kentucky accent when I can't tell the difference. I've noticed a disturbing tendency among some Americans to call all british accents "Cockney", which bothers me no end. I've even heard the "pirate accent" (which is descended from Robert Newton's Cornish accent in Treasure Island) described as "Cockney".... -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 02:20:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m346KAFa024455 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:20:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m346Jvl0012382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m346JKxq075717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m346JG6q094129; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m346JDcX094100 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JhfGZ2WH2-0007xV; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: <00de01c8961b$9a6d8010$7101a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:17:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Zi7dA8M6kq8tIbKI8N1PxTey0iCBy9J1jq5L tWoxAnD0tfRPWxBYPcYfXKe9TqaLYfUhJl4Kc/f01UrW+8jqnn qGsZY1reIXuP4zfJad03g== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a52a2de2-4f12-4578-b95f-d738b17f857e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F5C88D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:20:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The accents hit me this week while visiting Hawaii. I could pick out where tourist were from in the Southern U.S. were from by their accents. I can generally pick out a person's region of the Gulf Coast states by their accents. South Carolina accents are my personal favorites. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 07:58:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34BwHZO020683 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:58:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34BwBAQ009647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:58:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34BvgC8000371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34Bvcri056423; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34BvZSG056297 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.245.146.53] by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JhkXx-0000hm-GT for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:57:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> Message-Id: <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:01:12 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a471a1bfaaccb284a2587106e98065a54b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.53 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dba7dce-3457-4feb-b36d-66d2c3b401dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F617D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And then there are the Americans who assume EVERY British accent is a HIGH-CLASS British accent. Someone said to me about an acquaintance who does indeed speak with a Cockney accent, "I love to hear his accent! It's so refined!" And a friend who works at the stage supply company says she can always recognize one particular community- theater box office tape on the phone because the speaker "has a phony British accent, which people seem to equate with being artistes!" (No offense intended to any true Brits out there who ARE artistes, or to Cockneys who ARE refined!) --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gipsy scholar and amateur costumer On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Chris Bertani wrote: > On 03 Apr 2008, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >> Dianne wrote: >>> Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to >>> distinguish >>> between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone >>> from >>> England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. >> >> and Susan Carroll-Clark replied : >> >>> Those states in particular are a really good case in point. >>> There isn't >>> an Ohio accent--there are three or four, at least. There's the >>> Cleveland/Northern accent (fairly nasal, somewhat akin to the >>> typical >>> Michigan accent), the Appalachian accent (SE part of the state, >>> akin to >>> West Virginia and eastern Kentucky), and two Midwestern accents -- >>> one a >>> little more generic than the other (which involves people saying >>> "warsh" >>> for wash and "crick" for creek). >> >> So are there several varieties of Yorkshire accent, as it's a >> large county (my mother came from East Yorks.). My original point >> was that Northern English speech in general is very different from >> Cockney (working-class London) speech. Even I can tell the >> difference between a New York and a Deep South accent! > > > I may not be able to tell a Tennessee accent from a Kentucky > accent, but > I also know better than to call something a Kentucky accent when I > can't > tell the difference. I've noticed a disturbing tendency among some > Americans to call all british accents "Cockney", which bothers me no > end. I've even heard the "pirate accent" (which is descended from > Robert Newton's Cornish accent in Treasure Island) described as > "Cockney".... > > -- Chris Bertani > www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 09:51:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34DpkmI024727 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34Dpete011445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34DpMgC009882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34DpK90058020; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34DpJht057989 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so55505pyc.4 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.86.12 with SMTP id o12mr2348690pyl.13.1207317077346; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.26.2 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590804040651m6ebc402ne7bd668a4f89b990@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:51:17 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b58cf790-689e-409d-82b9-11e6a5016d89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F6326C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We have a lady in our local group who is British, complete with accent. There have been those who didn't know she was British complain about the "cheesy" accent, thinking she was faking it. Even when pointed out she's not faking, they still insisted it sounded cheesy. alex On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > And then there are the Americans who assume EVERY British accent is a > HIGH-CLASS British accent. Someone said to me about an acquaintance > who does indeed speak with a Cockney accent, "I love to hear his > accent! It's so refined!" And a friend who works at the stage supply > company says she can always recognize one particular community- > theater box office tape on the phone because the speaker "has a phony > British accent, which people seem to equate with being artistes!" > (No offense intended to any true Brits out there who ARE artistes, or > to Cockneys who ARE refined!) > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > gipsy scholar and amateur costumer > > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 09:52:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34DqSug024781 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:52:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34DqKbN019835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34DpsI9009991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34Dpr6H058581; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34Dpogv058466 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W10 ([65.55.138.45]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:51:45 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00de01c8961b$9a6d8010$7101a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00de01c8961b$9a6d8010$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2008 13:51:45.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[057D0990:01C8965B] X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73a85c64-7ab3-4193-8bed-e5bd631efaa0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F63294.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My parents were in the theater. Among the many very interesting peopole we had at our dinner table was a visiting linguist/speech teacher. He could pinpoint just about everyone from where they came. But not the 3 kids at the table. Born in Iowa, lived in Wisconson, Germany and at that point Amherst Massachusetts, our speech and pronunciation was just too mixed up!Sg > From: penny@costumegallery.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:17:46 -0400> Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip> > The accents hit me this week while visiting Hawaii. I could pick out where > tourist were from in the Southern U.S. were from by their accents. I can > generally pick out a person's region of the Gulf Coast states by their > accents.> > South Carolina accents are my personal favorites. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 11:08:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34F8lfg027953 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:08:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34F8bZf004049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:08:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34F7v32018414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34F7sfj057484; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34F7qcP057321 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([151.203.65.123]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYT00D8P3CDI5R6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:07:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:07:23 -0400 From: Jeanine Swick To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Historic Costume Message-id: <47F6442B.9070306@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume Con 26 membership available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34fabe40-8f27-43f5-abdf-ccf242bc909b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F64475.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:08:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My daughter is not able to go to CC26 this year. So I have a membership up for sale at the early 2007 rate it was purchased at. Contact me directly off list if you are interested. Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 12:59:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34Gxq1S001768 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:59:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34GxjPi015372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34GxFpS032363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34GxCR3093017; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34GxAMD092855 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:59:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([151.199.135.241]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYT00KLC88XK5F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:53:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:58:55 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" In-reply-to: <870801590804040651m6ebc402ne7bd668a4f89b990@mail.gmail.com> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <016001c89675$2b674f70$8235ee50$@carnegie@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AciWW3/H8wUdVaVyR5+g9XQSsPBwpAAGXrbw References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> <870801590804040651m6ebc402ne7bd668a4f89b990@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e10e4cd3-295b-4208-8d56-70c42631590a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F65E81.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend of mine at work gets this all the time. People often remark on how awful his attempt at a Scottish accent is, being unaware that he was born and raised in Glasgow. Ron Carnegie -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip We have a lady in our local group who is British, complete with accent. There have been those who didn't know she was British complain about the "cheesy" accent, thinking she was faking it. Even when pointed out she's not faking, they still insisted it sounded cheesy. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 14:34:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34IYoZr006691 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:34:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34IYi0d029983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:34:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34IYDXS046402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34IYAgv098161; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34IY8HS098132 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l65so16608hsc.15 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.252.17 with SMTP id z17mr2576436anh.6.1207334048521; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d35sm9655974and.3.2008.04.04.11.34.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <03ce01c89682$c7f9a240$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:36:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c162cdae-f3ad-40d1-adb5-950c419fd929 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F674C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" > ... And a friend who works at the stage supply > company says she can always recognize one particular community- > theater box office tape on the phone because the speaker "has a phony > British accent, which people seem to equate with being artistes!" > (No offense intended to any true Brits out there who ARE artistes, or > to Cockneys who ARE refined!) Reminds me of a favorite line from some movie I can't think of: "Is she British, or just affected?" The whole topic, though, reminds me of something that I love to research when I have a spare second: the development of the American (and British) accent. I always wondered what, for example, people like Benjamin Franklin actually sounded like when they talked. I mean, it would make sense that their accents would be a lot closer to modern British than modern American, right? As it turns out, no, but not the other way round, either. If anyone in the 18th century sounded like anyone in the 21st century, it was the 18thC Brits; they sounded like 21st century Americans. Apparently the Brits had this thing for following linguistic fashions, which the Americans largely ignored, leaving regional British accents almost intact in the associated American regions. (Although we did finally follow suit and rid ourselves of that whole thing where the "a" in "father" sounded like the "a" in modern-American-accent "apple," though. Whew.) OK, completely off topic, and I'm explaining it poorly anyway! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 15:14:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34JER3G009036 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:14:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34JEL07021799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:14:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34J8ult050531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34J8tBZ045873; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34J8pPB045809 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id E8DBE2E8459 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6D6B52E845E for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C1B1800A7 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:08:51 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03ce01c89682$c7f9a240$eb00a8c0@compaqub> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip thread-index: AciWgoCM3ZY4ljflRtG0PxEjcEDutQAAydQA References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk><20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com><8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> <03ce01c89682$c7f9a240$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54ddb9d3-907e-470a-a625-4388d78a00e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F67E0D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO No, you are explaining it very well. Although mass communication is affecting regional accents in the world, and not always postively in my small opinion, isolated areas in Britain and the U.S. can still understand each other better than most citizens living in Britain and the US can. I had a professor in college that would read passages from Shakespeare and Chaucer as closely as was known then to "original" pronunciation, and I found it fascinating to hear what sounded like French and Scottish words within early modern English. We also read some passages ourselves reprinted from the oldest surviving source aloud after being told to start by pronouncing the words as they were spelled. Of course, the caveat was that we were also told that we might be closer to how the typesetter pronounced the words, rather than Chaucer or Shakespeare. I fear we are losing a lot of expression within languages through the present mass-media homogenization. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Exstock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" > ... And a friend who works at the stage supply company says she can > always recognize one particular community- theater box office tape on > the phone because the speaker "has a phony British accent, which > people seem to equate with being artistes!" > (No offense intended to any true Brits out there who ARE artistes, or > to Cockneys who ARE refined!) Reminds me of a favorite line from some movie I can't think of: "Is she British, or just affected?" The whole topic, though, reminds me of something that I love to research when I have a spare second: the development of the American (and British) accent. I always wondered what, for example, people like Benjamin Franklin actually sounded like when they talked. I mean, it would make sense that their accents would be a lot closer to modern British than modern American, right? As it turns out, no, but not the other way round, either. If anyone in the 18th century sounded like anyone in the 21st century, it was the 18thC Brits; they sounded like 21st century Americans. Apparently the Brits had this thing for following linguistic fashions, which the Americans largely ignored, leaving regional British accents almost intact in the associated American regions. (Although we did finally follow suit and rid ourselves of that whole thing where the "a" in "father" sounded like the "a" in modern-American-accent "apple," though. Whew.) OK, completely off topic, and I'm explaining it poorly anyway! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 17:18:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34LIFCZ015078 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:18:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34LIARL007065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:18:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34LHVGC062957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34LHTNe012374; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34LHQJH012241 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb1.29d1c4ef (29673) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:17:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 869a086a-8207-4ad5-b248-f0b53abfc1e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F69B12.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:18:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/4/2008 3:09:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: We also read some passages ourselves reprinted from the oldest surviving source aloud after being told to start by pronouncing the words as they were spelled. ***************** Lord! I had a book of early Tudor plays [like "Roister Doister"] printed with their original spellings. They'd spell "if" 3 different ways in the same speech! "if" "iff" "iffe" . **************Planning your summer road trip? 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(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 18:20:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34MKew2016823 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:20:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34MKYNQ015457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:20:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34MJtgg068291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34MJoeI081431; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34MJl5B081258 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W31 ([65.55.138.66]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:18:41 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2008 22:18:41.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[D69725B0:01C896A1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] PreDrycleaning - charge? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 310d87ee-d511-493d-8fb0-4f2f1f7301b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F6A9B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 18:25:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m34MPgQH016925 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:25:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m34MPbYx017846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m34MPGvb068668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34MPGbX087985; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m34MPDeq087917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.68] (dial-209-148-99-68.sonic.net [209.148.99.68] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m34MPBAE023870 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:25:12 -0700 Message-ID: <47F6AAC8.6040006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:25:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] PreDrycleaning - charge? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35bdf6dc-d1fb-4fed-ad88-144946f2c2b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F6AAE1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:25:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Shrinkage during dry cleaning happens during the pressing. I just steam iron dry-cleanable fabric at home, from the wrong side, putting a needle board or some pile fabric under the right side if the fabric crushes when pressed. I go over it two or three times just to make sure to get all the shrinking done, and also to make sure I haven't missed any areas. None of the garments whose fabrics I have pretreated that way have shrunk during dry cleaning. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi, I am about to get some chenille/tapestry like fabric drycleaned before I cut it out. > They want $25 apiece to clean each piece. I have two 50"X4.5 yards of the tapestry and 45"X4Yard of the silk lining. > > That's $75 Just to pre-treat it! Cripes! What would you do? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 20:30:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m350UdhD021302 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:30:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m350UYao017106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m350Twqj077263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m350TtxO098965; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m350Tqib098873 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A77D24840290; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:27:41 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:29:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c896b4$21b1f6d0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciWmSG51mqzXvm1Tc2gIbQY7mvLKAAGtPqw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff2fe69a-84c8-4f31-9226-a684e34748ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F6C82A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:30:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Someone recently told me that it was a sign of refinement/education to be be to spell a word in different ways. Anyone ever hear of this? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:17 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip In a message dated 4/4/2008 3:09:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: We also read some passages ourselves reprinted from the oldest surviving source aloud after being told to start by pronouncing the words as they were spelled. ***************** Lord! I had a book of early Tudor plays [like "Roister Doister"] printed with their original spellings. They'd spell "if" 3 different ways in the same speech! "if" "iff" "iffe" . **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 4 20:31:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m350VQs7021334 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:31:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m350VBRZ001601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:31:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m350UeOr077319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m350UeIb099555; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m350UaNk099511 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7AE249B0290; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:28:30 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c896b4$3edd9d90$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciWodZXzhcEG2MhSM2VqDfOj2N+sAAEl23w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] PreDrycleaning - charge? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 143ca04f-8b0e-42a4-9880-b92873487009 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F6C84F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:31:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wash the silk, you can always dry clean it later. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:19 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] PreDrycleaning - charge? Hi, I am about to get some chenille/tapestry like fabric drycleaned before I cut it out. They want $25 apiece to clean each piece. I have two 50"X4.5 yards of the tapestry and 45"X4Yard of the silk lining. That's $75 Just to pre-treat it! Cripes! What would you do? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 05:22:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m359MnXm015706 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:22:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m359MiJm024053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:22:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m359JPtR007609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 03:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m359JMWY049397; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 03:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m359JJj0049354 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 03:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Ji4YQ007k-00084n; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c896fd$eb450340$7101a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+M87laAJRudTJ5QTge8q2UA95qLcj3RtCc5vZ R/vaB2JoBE9P2fmoOqHFQoxZamAYVhgG+6NvqUm2r4xxsBIvaP cChNzSa+lXzCKtL3lv2HQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3edc55d5-91b9-48fb-888b-9ed813935f95 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F744E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called "Dancers of the World." There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told me that photos 18 & 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 06:27:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m35ARgfx025428 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:27:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m35ARaXB007948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m35AR6H4011552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 04:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35AR4KZ094885; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 04:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp111.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m35AR1aK094808 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 04:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 21329 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 10:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.210.171 with plain) by smtp111.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 10:26:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UiPs0cUVM1m4a1JkEEiCLwJ0_MYzzHvOaaIDEP5F23hgv44SXThG7IIAnOGPKrcZNQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47F753DF.90602@rogers.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:26:39 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <47F4A06E02000014000E591C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> <20080404004733.GB17091@idiom.com> <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <8FDD8912-C238-4FA2-AB6A-D43F7F12DE3F@mindspring.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bc62542-d5a5-4b64-a24a-a9921eb5596e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F75418.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > And then there are the Americans who assume EVERY British accent is a > HIGH-CLASS British accent. Someone said to me about an acquaintance > who does indeed speak with a Cockney accent, "I love to hear his > accent! It's so refined!" That's hilarious. Guess they've never seen "My Fair Lady," then.... My favourite is when folks mix up Aussie with British of any sort. They really are quite different. On the evolution of American accents--I've been told that the Appalachian dialects are descendents of Scots and Irish dialects, while the Virginian/mid-Atlantic accent is probably closest to an upper-class British dialect (although I'm not sure I've ever heard what region of Britain). Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 13:02:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m35H2MeW030174 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:02:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m35H2H34006166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:02:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m35H1Oct046985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35H1LY1055722; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35H1Hkx055578 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c61.2b0b5f97 (30739) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:01:01 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97866240-c1ac-44e5-a105-8465d3b8aaa3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F7B099.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Someone recently told me that it was a sign of refinement/education to be be to spell a word in different ways. Anyone ever hear of this? ************************ Not "your", "you're" and "yore". Or "two", "to" and "too". I suppose it might seem cosmopolitan to know "color" is "colour" in Britain or that you can shop at a shoppe... but it's really just having a good vocab. English has like 3 times more words in it than other languages... stolen from other languages... which is why we have so many different spellings and homonyms. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 13:23:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m35HN2Sx031275 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:23:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m35HMuvZ024829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m35HMdn0049190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35HMcQ8074803; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35HMarM074681 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d52.29fe8fdd (30739) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:22:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b4bb8be-aa1f-4627-9d35-eb6fe2a93980 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F7B570.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO To try to relate my "improve your vocab" post to costumes: I love Handel, particularly the oratorio "L'allegro, Il Penseroso, et il Moderato" which is [mostly] Milton set to music. Now I don't sit around the pool reading Milton [might be nice though] but because Handel set his English verse to very nice catchy tunes, one tends to learn the words and sing along. One fine tenor aria is "I'll to the well trod stage anon." The second line being "If Johnson's learned sock be on." What? What the hell does that mean? The next line is "Or sweetest Shakespeare, Fancy's child," so "Johnson" refers to Ben Johnson, a younger contemporary of Shakespeare. But his "sock"? His "learned" knitted footwear is laying on the stage? So I looked up "sock"... one definition I didn't know was: 3 a : a shoe worn by actors in Greek and Roman comedy b : comic drama. [there...a costume reference] So "Johnson's learned sock" is one of his comedies....which are full of biting satire so there's also an implication toward a punch, smack! See...improved vocab skills and costuming the feet. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 13:55:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m35HtEqv000610 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:55:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m35Ht8Q9003568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m35HsgkU052736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35Hsf83092035; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35HscRp091901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-40-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.40.182]:1777 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JiCb3-0002RO-2T for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:54:33 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080405185031.037b1e08@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:54:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <007201c896fd$eb450340$7101a8c0@momlaptop> References: <007201c896fd$eb450340$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume Designer's Handbook X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e5fd616-402b-4b20-85b3-c98e7ae5d773 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F7BCFC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 15:38:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m35JcVln006680 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:38:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m35JcQCJ016858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m35Jc2Op061485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:38:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35Jc0i4099314; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:38:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5d.socket.net [216.106.26.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35Jbud1099238 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FED73B1DD for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:37:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:38:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007201c896fd$eb450340$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e514e8d-bca1-404d-ba03-963128217c20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F7D532.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Mostly questions. Curious about the other pictures. is there a specific dance for them as I can see that picture 2 is a Scottish sword dance. Picture 10 is Plains, Lakota but what they are doing don't look like anything I have seen. 18- looks like fox trot 19- Lindy hop? 20- Square dance? which was an American spinoff of the cotillion or perhaps a Virginia Reel. 21- (specific) Polka? 17 looks to be Swiss or Norweigian anyone know for sure which? 14, is that Baverian or Ukraine? what is 5? the angle makes it difficult to see, Balinese? Thank you, De -----Original Message----- I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told me that photos 18 & 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 16:50:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m35KoKoq010957 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:50:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m35KoFLG029897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:50:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m35KnpIY065966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35KnnfX056810; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m35KnkmT056731 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cc2.2af77c44 (39954) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:49:36 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8458ca89-c02b-4a38-8e12-67436847c205 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F7E607.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:50:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Interesting....and beautiful! Number 18...well the quintessential dance of the 20's is the Charleston....by today's recollection. But the Fox Trot was danced more at the time and these dancers don't look like they're doing the Charleston. The couple in number 19 look teens to me so maybe it's a 2-Step or a Rag. However they look like they're waltzing. I don't think the poses in the paintings are very accurate in representing the steps of a particular dance. The Virginia Reel is indeed a colonial dance so that may be what they have in mind for number 20. Now the 19th century couple could be doing anything.... the Hippy Hippy Shake Shake. From what I know there is a huge surge in dances with the coming of the middle class. Maybe it's some Round Dance, or the Boston Waltz. But of course the Waltz nor the Polka originate in America. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 20:25:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m360PfVI023043 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:25:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m360PZjX016067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m360PEaY079974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m360PDuh013854; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m360PCdX013840 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mtmumley@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so581362waf.3 for ; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.1 with SMTP id l1mr4267015wak.110.1207441512012; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.109.14 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4893e8130804051725k1393d9d3of6cc97dccd3b5ff9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:25:11 -0400 From: "Mary Mumley" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <47F262BB.8040602@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48EE9B4A-9308-4673-A45F-2580F90D22EF@faucet.net> <260980.29734.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20080330225057.04312e80@pop.radiks.net> <47F262BB.8040602@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8da18efa-5165-4e7c-a65c-cecb22ff4a8e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F8187F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you look at the show's website, you will see that the costume designer made the New Englanders drab on purpose. Remember that the Adamses lived before the vibrant dyes of the 19th century were invented. The color range for a New England housewife was very limited. Yes, the Adamses did have servants, hired hands who did the heavy farm work. Abigail was also helped by her uncle Cotton Tufts. (I read many letters of the Adamses when I was a senior in high school in the 70's,) I've seen the first two parts. I'm no expert on the period but it's > obvious that they've come down with "olde tyme disease", trying to make > everything look old fashioned. All the costumes are unnaturally drab and > dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to > anything. I've seen late 18th century clothing in pictures and in person > and it is sometimes vibrantly colored, even simple men's suits had color > and decoration. Mrs. Adams doesn't seem to own a single ruffle or a > flowered dress so common to the period. Even her dinner gown in the > first episode was very drab even if it was silk. > > > > Servants? What servants? I'd expect the Adams' to have a couple > farmhands and at least one girl in the house, but I've seen none. > There's no way Abigail is running the farm by herself with 3 small kids. > They might have a cow and some chickens, but no way there's a crop > coming without help. > > Despite that I'm actually enjoying the show. It's nice to get period > programming even if they do take a few liberties. I don't think this > story has been completely butchered. > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 20:26:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m360Q4J4023070 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:26:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m360Pw8l031739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:26:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m360Khh9079601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m360KdGf010810; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m360KakD010722 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bd8.2f0b36c8 (37120) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M30 (mblk-m30.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.74]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-910047f81744311; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:20:20 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:20:20 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 12.216.14.197 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: fynehats2@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-STANDARD Received: from 12.216.14.197 by MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.74) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:20:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA659321A52E97-C54-34D6@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e18cbde2-9ad1-4f78-8a16-d600eb001ee5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F81897.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:26:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO De4ar Penny, Here's a few more guesses to throw in the ring. #4 - looks Aztec or Mayan from the headdresses. #14 - Hungarian or perhaps Polish? (taking it from the woman's red boots) #15 - Greek? #17 - French ? Briitany? #20? 1770-1790 - this is supposed to be depicting AMERICAN dancing?? This is after our Revolution and I don't thing anyone in America would have been looking like this.? Perhaps a European court doing a minuet? Anyway, there's my two cents with guessing. Hope it can help some. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 From: "Penny Ladnier" Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called "Dancers of the World." There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told me that photos 18 & 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 22:01:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36216hV028827 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:01:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3620s8E025242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:01:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3620VxI086312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3620UCb076715; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3620Rrx076640 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C89789.F8CE6CFF" Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes Thread-Index: AciXfNaeP1lJBeegQ5S03+hanVTwhAACZJ7o References: <8CA659321A52E97-C54-34D6@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8b4e88c-de3e-436e-bfad-61d726ef58af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F82ED7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89789.F8CE6CFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've never seen = such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear the task will be = made that much more difficult by the liberties taken by the artist. For = example the red strapless front-lace bustier garment in #14 is sheer = invention... My guesses: 1 Greek (ancient) 2 Scottish sword dance 3 Dutch (the shoes!) 4 Aztec or Inca 5 Siam? Balinese? 6 Germany-- those are Lederhosen for sure 7 hmm... they seem to be holding boomerangs... Maori? 8 Siam? Balinese? 9 ancient Egypt 10 American Indian (am useless with further differentiation other than = in general Plains) 11 some sort of Far Araby... that's a eunuch if ever I saw one, and = those bare breasts and thin girl vs. enormous and slightly sinister man = seem right out of Arabian Nights fantasy 12 Japan 13 definitely Russia 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been = depicted....as a nation Poland had just come out of over a century of = non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a sovereign nation = in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) 15 Italy? the tambourine and his breeches.... 16 Polynesian 17 hmmm... the horizontally striped apron is distinctive, but no idea. =20 *******************************=20 Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director=20 The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire=20 Paul Creative Arts Center=20 30 College Road=20 Durham, NH 03824-3538=20 603-862-0310=20 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery=20 ******************************* -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of fynehats2@aol.com Sent: Sat 4/5/2008 8:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes =20 De4ar Penny, Here's a few more guesses to throw in the ring. #4 - looks Aztec or Mayan from the headdresses. #14 - Hungarian or perhaps Polish? (taking it from the woman's red = boots) #15 - Greek? #17 - French ? Briitany? #20? 1770-1790 - this is supposed to be depicting AMERICAN dancing?? = This is after our Revolution and I don't thing anyone in America would = have been looking like this.? Perhaps a European court doing a minuet? Anyway, there's my two cents with guessing. Hope it can help some. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 From: "Penny Ladnier" Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a = slideshow=20 online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in = Sarasota,=20 Florida. The ceiling is called "Dancers of the World." There are 17=20 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what = countries=20 and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the = 1920s=20 exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway = costume=20 and set designer, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany. He was also a = designer for=20 the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the=20 mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then = applied=20 them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these = were titled=20 "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told me that photos 18 & 19 = dates=20 represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I = have the=20 dates correct for photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number = on the=20 slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at=20 http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not = .COM . =20 When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged = view...it looks=20 like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help.=20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89789.F8CE6CFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89789.F8CE6CFF-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 5 23:25:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m363PNuQ001068 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:25:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m363PI8N012824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m363OsYS091360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m363OpUa036552; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m363OmDt036518 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EBB9555177 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:24:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:25:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6e579c4-6450-4d6c-bbcc-39d05cdde906 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F8429E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:25:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 4- might be Mayan. :) Though as you say the liberties taken could be that 4 is a blend of the 3. The first figure seems to have a Khamahamai (sp?) Hawaiian headdress. After looking at some of my stuff on central American, the seconded figure is Aztec. 5- Ancient Persian or Assyrian? 7- not Maori but possibly New Zealand? I have seen this somewhere associated with Africa or Australia or New Zealand. 8-The turban isn't Siamese which is why I was think Bali. 10- The headdress is "Siouan" though the Metis have been know to wear them. 11- Eunuch??? I was thinking more Turkish but Arabian works. the heavy guy is playing a flute though I think the turban is a bit to tall. The anorexic dancer doesn't leave much of a clue with her scarves. 16- I was thinking Hawaiian. 17- Reminds me of the Austrian folkwear. De -----Original Message----- I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... My guesses: 1 Greek (ancient) 2 Scottish sword dance 3 Dutch (the shoes!) 4 Aztec or Inca 5 Siam? Balinese? 6 Germany-- those are Lederhosen for sure 7 hmm... they seem to be holding boomerangs... Maori? 8 Siam? Balinese? 9 ancient Egypt 10 American Indian (am useless with further differentiation other than in general Plains) 11 some sort of Far Araby... that's a eunuch if ever I saw one, and those bare breasts and thin girl vs. enormous and slightly sinister man seem right out of Arabian Nights fantasy 12 Japan 13 definitely Russia 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been depicted....as a nation Poland had just come out of over a century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) 15 Italy? the tambourine and his breeches.... 16 Polynesian 17 hmmm... the horizontally striped apron is distinctive, but no idea. http://www.costumegallery.info/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 03:31:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m367VdHh014098 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 03:31:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m367VWFV004143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 03:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m367US5A002002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 01:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m367UO8b000871; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 01:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m367ULBp000771 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 01:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7631F342165 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:30:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47F87C78.7000207@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:32:08 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64b81347-d30b-42da-b5d7-5ef0560c3e46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F87C54.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 11:45:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36FjeqB025009 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:45:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36FjYEs022589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36Fj004032114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36FivwP068913; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m36FireM068790 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABD9T578A3MKMXS for (sender ); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 08:43:58 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7s+jhAyKsL5OHBHiuS1ey3STit38/5ZsCw== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NF4VKVKU; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:43:42 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: <20080406.104301.448.1.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1523082821 X-MAIL-INFO: 5be0917554d4306541303091ed15417d4dd11955 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Looking for a handweaver X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13e1a4cd-3ccf-4e2b-b24a-373edf61751e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F8F01E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is there a handweaver on the list who works in linen or cotton? If so, would you mind contacting me off-list? I may want to commission a small piece from you, but have some questions first. Leah Watts LLWatts@juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 12:58:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36GwdA5029981 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:58:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36GwXEi009288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36Gw1dB039361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36GvxoN043280; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36Gvvw4043165 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cf8.2db49ff9 (34994) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-MB08 (webmail-mb08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.156]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB017-88b247f9010c81; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:57:48 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:57:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.60.50 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-BASIC Received: from 4.239.60.50 by WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.156) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:57:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 423536b3-787c-488a-bbe9-2958bccf235a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F90139.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello, I have found the same to be true where I am also and I actually find it a little frustrating, because my antique clothing dealer gets alot of trendy women from the city in her shop who look at her older things like camisoles and petticoats to turn into funky modern outfits, she firmly believes the same as I do that it is sacriledge, cause many of the people who buy the antique items for purposes of looking like a designer showpiece have intentions of altering and or butchering them for the same reason. A lady in a nearby shop who sometimes buys thing from my dealer really tries to cash in on this, she hires girls to help with sewing for her, rather underpaid too. She offered me a job once but I was not interested at all, I am a conservationist to some degree, atleast in preserving the clothing an appreciating what they represented from a bygone era where morals still meant something, as evident by the beautiful ways in which ladies chose modesty in fashion, atleast by today's standards. One of the common jobs she was telling me, is to take old bodices and gowns (I almost fainted) and she adds ZIPPERS to the backs so that young women can wear them as modern art pieces. She also was trying to sell me something that was attractive, a late Victorian capelet, for much more than it was worth, despite it's extent of damage, just because she had purchased in Paris. It was without any sort of label or marking also, and I couldn't believe her standards for business in a vintage clothing market. Unfortunately, she does make some business by people who just really don't understand or care at what cost their funky finds effect the market. It is interesting as you said to see people wearing bustle petticoats and such on the street as modern day wear, partly it is good because in buying new pieces like that they are readily available and ready to wear without fear of damage and can be used in inauthentic costuming or dressing up when you wish to portray the feel of Victorian or Edwardian style without wanting to go to dinner in an all out bustle or trained ensemble. It makes dressing in a rather old fashioned way a little more understandable to those who can recognize the look, because it has become fairly mainstream in that it's presence is out there in modern fashion, but most still do not recognize what it is, not where I live atleast, and some completely misinterpret my intentions all together. The thing that is funny is that I wear those peices as undergarments, layered in the correct way under modern old-looking outter wear, and cannot step outside the any longer dressed in just a slip or undershirt! It has actually come to feel wrong for me after having done it for so long. It would be nice to see those things more or less drop out of fashion as they seem to be gradually, though buying repro jewelery, boots, undies, etc. is easier, it has gotten hard to find those things in the last few years, whereas when my sister got turned on to acquiring fashion items which were of her long favoured period in time (since childhood) she was able to go out and buy repro boots and things at the local clothing store, if only I had been interested then and had money to shop, I would have stockpiled while it was available. I just long now for the "Victorian look" to go back to belonging to those who really have a passion and appreciation for historical fashions, it really hurls alot of bad information and impressions out there to those who aren't looking into it from a serious angle and only doing it for trend's sake. Just thought I would write a response to your message, it was very interesting to actually hear someone else make the same observation and wanted to share some of the experiences I've had in dealing with that situation. Take care:) Justine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 13:04:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36H4VKx030380 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:04:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36H4Qqq000568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:04:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36H41RY040511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36H40vb050245; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36H3unu050148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-26-86.desm.qwest.net [75.162.26.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36H3slX008970 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:03:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:03:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/6635/Sun Apr 6 10:29:31 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1d54cf9-2858-427a-a968-b05b893ccb9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F9029A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, my. Tastes in art have certainly changed over the last 100 years... ;-) Here's my take on the countries: #1 - ancient Greece; #4 - Aztec; #5 - Bali (Indonesia?); #7 - Aboriginal Australia; #8 - North Africa; #14 - Hungary; #15 - Italy (Sicily?); #17 - Czech or Slovak (or Bohemian, if that's the term they used in the 1920s). I'd also add that #9 is of course *ancient* Egypt, and I'm not seeing Turkish in #11 but I don't know *what* it is [might be some strange version of India]. And #6 could be Swiss...? As far as as the dances go, my first reactions were: tango, waltz, minuet, schottische or polka. But I'm no expert -- and none of those are "American-born" so I don't know what the artist was getting at. Your photos did turn out well! It must have been frustrating working around all the people but you got some good images. Good luck with the titles, and let us know how it turns out. Suzanne On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Date: April 5, 2008 4:17:48 AM CDT > To: "h-costume" > Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have > a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca > d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called > "Dancers of the World." There are 17 hand-painted medallions of > cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances > represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s > exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / > Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany. > He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends > with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the > medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom > ceiling in Florida. > > I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that > these were titled "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told > me that photos 18 & 19 dates represented but I can't recall the > dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for > photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. > > I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was > running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This > is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that > the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. > When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before > catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas > of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. > > If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo > number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can > be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to > use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure > to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the > right side of the menu. > > Many, many thanks in advance for your help. > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 14:11:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36IBFJa001905 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:11:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36IB9mT004099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36IAgpD048195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36IAevD015401; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m36IAZbl015271 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19617 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2008 18:10:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6qcxWgMVM1nkMQFWFUgNL3ZTQepWcAIgs7FQzREmHA9dW2L3o9uiMN1WLDQu7sydgQARRwp9usT8x_rPpLp3UqD1GmpQehO_t9ny8x6sbmgL2An8BJ_xZbsyGfID4dP2cVoaBLxzfp06OrbLMS7.oqWM Received: from [69.183.50.249] by web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:10:29 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4893e8130804051725k1393d9d3of6cc97dccd3b5ff9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <682127.19575.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c2b2d15-6583-4de3-a277-d142df59dc4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F9123D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:11:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Mary Mumley wrote: > If you look at the show's website, you will see that > the costume designer made the New Englanders drab on > purpose. Remember that the Adamses lived > before the vibrant dyes of the 19th century were > invented. The color range > for a New England housewife was very limited. I beg to differ. I have seen a full set of eighteenth century crewel-work bedhangings in Wethersfield, Connecticut, in the Webb-Deane-Stevens set of houses. Silas Deane signed the Declaration of Independence. The hangings were as bright and gorgeous as if they'd just been embroidered--red and pink, shades of blue, green, yellow, and brown. Wethersfield was, at the time, a fairly small town, but had trade, often cash income from onions, and they are right on the Connecticut river. Traditional way for a woman to get a cash dowry in the eighteenth century was to raise herself a crop of onions. So I'm not talking NYC, but not an isolated backwater, either. If Wethersfield could have lots of color, so could rural Massachusetts close to Boston. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 14:23:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36INhKM002887 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:23:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36INb3Y013702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36INIbS049161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36INHQ0026026; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36INDXD025968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.177] (core-dc-2-177.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m36IN1Pu004182 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:23:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: From: Carol Kocian Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:23:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f942d76-1d97-4e16-8b41-9bb585b9fff8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F91529.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:23:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, recycling old clothes to the current fashion has been = done throughout history. I think it's due to the post-WWII = consumerism that we're not used to it the way our ancestors were. Whether something is thrown out or worn to rags, it's gone. I = think what vexes many historians is when a garment is dormant for 20 = or more years (stored) and *then* worn to rags or thrown out. = Sometimes it's a fashion trend (inspired by a period movie, for = example) and sometimes it's an individual's interest. The only way to "prevent" such things is to buy and preserve = vintage clothing yourself and support museums that do the same. It's = all supply and demand. Personally, I also cringe at an item that has been altered, or = an extant gown where someone has cut off the entire placket for the = buttons (rather than removing them individually). I once bought a = 1920s dress for $5 where the dealer said only the lace was worth = saving =97 after a careful washing and light pressing the entire thing = was in great shape. Also there are many people who can reproduce a garment or style = (out of fresh, new, isn't-going-to-shatter fabric), but some = customers would rather take their chances with a $50 vintage item = than pay $250 for a repro. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 14:58:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36IwQpt004829 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:58:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36IwKKd032314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:58:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36IvvBc051336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36Ivt1x054701; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36IvqCq054596 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d66.28d7e607 (34989) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-da16 (webmail-da16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.211]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB012-88ad47f91d25234; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:57:41 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:57:41 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.60.88 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-BASIC Received: from 4.239.60.88 by webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:57:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA662F39827ED7-210-19BF@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d219a30c-9d25-4a42-980b-3634954a2966 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F91D4C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I do agree with you Carol, most people would rather spend the least money for something they can wear out than a whole lot for a repro, but the way I see it is that repros are also more disposable unless made by one of a kind materials, because they can just as well be made again. That dress you got was a bargain! People did alter gowns, which is why antebellum gowns are more scare today than bustle gowns, because they cut them up to make bustle gowns later, but those weren't considered rare and antique items then, it would be like if you or I open our closet and say, yeah this skirt from 1995 is really pretty, I love the buttons and material but don't like the cut of it, so I will make a new skirt from it. It's different from saying, this beautiful antique bodice I am being sold seperately from the matching skirt that could be in a museum and 125 years old could make a really funky jacket like this that or the other designer had in the magazine, the one that all my friends liked. The same lady who sells me my antique clothing as I said would rather see them preserved, so she goes out of the way to hold them for me until I can pay them off, sort of like pay as you will indefinite layaway, which is really really generous of her. Atleast someone realizes the connection though, of fashion trends stemming from period movies, I saw a commercial for two models making their own clothing line with insipiration from art nouveau (having trouble spelling today) flowers, and state how they were used in fashion in the 1970s! Not alot of fashion consumers realize the connections of what they are wearing. When the gauzy boho look came around, people didn't realize alot of what that was wasn't just Victorian or Edwardian inspired, but more inspired by the Victorian and Edwardian style lacy and summer whites brought into fashion in the 1970s and early 1980's after things like Little House on the Prairie and Somewhere In Time came out. My mother loved that delicate femminine look, she owned Gunne Sax pieces to which I have inherited her favourite one. She no longer fits into it but it's a gorgeous, incredibly well made dress that really invokes a spirit of Edwardian femminity. The thing second worse to me than altering existing originals that can never be replaced for the sake of being in style is the misrepresentation of the term "Victoriana", usually is consists of an ultra froufrou, lacy, flowery, modern concept of Victorian that really is reminiscent of Edwardian and not Victorian at all. Justine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 16:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36K6YaY009117 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:06:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36K6TpT024425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:06:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36K06bo056118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36K03PO007222; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36K00PI007033 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W33 ([64.4.19.133]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:59:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.22.238] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:59:54 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47F87C78.7000207@kabelfoon.nl> References: <47F87C78.7000207@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2008 19:59:55.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8898410:01C89820] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad39b7ac-5447-4778-9ed0-01f85f5b5405 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47F92D45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:06:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi all, I have often wondered how these bustle petticoats keep their shape, that is how do the stay to the back without being pushed to the front with all the weight of the historic garments. There must be something I'm not seeing in various patterns I've seen. Can anyone point me to a diagram or other information that can explain this? Thanks to all, Paula S.> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:32:08 +0200> From: Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion> > Hi,> > Yesterday I walked trough Utrecht, a city in the Netherlands and saw > something familiar in a clothing shop.> It was a bustle petticoat like this one > http://trulyvictorian.com/catalog/108.html but without the boning made > in army green.> > I thought it was so funny that you can wear your 19century bustle > petticoat out on the street and people would think you're wearing modern > fashion.> > Deredere> > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 16:25:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36KPUv1010048 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:25:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36KPN3w006042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:25:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36KOZHq057983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36KOYNQ026280; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36KOVCT026177 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com) Received: from ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d39.25a465ed (34892) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-da16 (webmail-da16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.211]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA011-884c47f9317618c; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:24:22 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:24:22 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 4.239.60.88 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-BASIC Received: from 4.239.60.88 by webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:24:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA663B55A54197-210-1C50@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee67392a-6d23-461a-9598-457a74dd8caa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F931B3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:25:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi there, In regards to your question about petti coats holding their shape, I do knot what you mean, you'd think with all the weight the entire cage of a bustle would just go forward. Bustle support pads went on underneath the bustle cage and it set right over on top of that, filling in the empty space that would otherwise be forced forward under the weight of the gown. Also, gravity does have some effect on how the weight falls, many times just falling straight down and because of the angle of the bustle it doesn't always force it forward. I wear an original bustle for programs on Victorian era topics and find that without the modern hand made bustle pad underneath to support the cage, the dress will not stand out as strongly, so it really is a simple solution, though tournures and such existed to be used without a cage altogether or to be worn over the top of the bustle to soften the shape. This is a link for a page with various patterns for bustles, though I have never purchased any. http://www.agelesspatterns.com/bustles.htm Hope this helps, take care:) Justine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 16:50:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36KowNm011320 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:50:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36KoqbE000888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:50:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36KoQmC059756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:50:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36KoP8D046154; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:50:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36KoLfE046082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.168] (dial-209-148-99-168.sonic.net [209.148.99.168] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m36KoJ1D028849 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:50:20 -0700 Message-ID: <47F9378D.3070802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:50:21 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8CA663B55A54197-210-1C50@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA663B55A54197-210-1C50@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6763a22e-71cd-4d37-a2d7-25137ab0da73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F937AC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO One thing they often did with a long bustle/part cage, is to put tape ties on the sides towards the back, to tie together and therefore keep the bustle area behind the legs. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Sewing Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > Hi there, > In regards to your question about petti coats holding their shape, I do > knot what you mean, you'd think with all the weight the entire cage of > a bustle would just go forward. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 17:04:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36L4Uia012054 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:04:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36L4Mx9009939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36L47F0060760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36L45l2055850; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36L42cw055727 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([151.203.65.123]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYX00IYB9CJ6SH7@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:03:51 -0400 From: Jeanine Swick To: F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Historic Costume Message-id: <47F93AB7.7040306@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume Con 26 membership available - in negotiation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0cd17da-e730-4b01-8447-b8b674313a3b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F93AD6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 17:09:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36L9vgH012319 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:09:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36L9nmA012141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:09:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36L9Yw4061131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36L9Xin060568; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36L9UCE060512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.168] (dial-209-148-99-168.sonic.net [209.148.99.168] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m36L9S7k002628 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:09:29 -0700 Message-ID: <47F93C08.3030201@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:09:28 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c352dd0-389d-4ab6-832d-3d781bff2b47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F93C1D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:09:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > Hello, I have found the same to be true where I am also and I actually > find it a little frustrating, because my antique clothing dealer gets > alot of trendy women from the city in her shop who look at her older > things like camisoles and petticoats to turn into funky modern outfits, > she firmly believes the same as I do that it is sacriledge, cause many > of the people who buy the antique items for purposes of looking like a > designer showpiece have intentions of altering and or butchering them > for the same reason. I don't give a hoot what other people do with their own vintage and antique clothing. Not everyone is obligated to be a museum. I wear my antique pieces myself and have a lot of fun doing it. I am delighted when antique styles come into fashion and I can wear them in public. I also don't give a hoot about long-skirt "modesty"--I do wear vintage underwear as well as outerwear in public. I just like the styles. I like having a way to not only just dress "authentic" when I want to, but to dress "inauthentic" when I want to. Unfortunately, she does make some business by > people who just really don't understand or care at what cost their > funky finds effect the market. So a more common desire for antique clothing is putting some pieces out of your price range--that has nothing to do with conservation. > It would be nice to see those things more or less drop out of fashion > as they seem to be gradually, Not nice at all for me! I adore it when things I like are trendy, as I ignore a lot of fashion the rest of the time. > I just long now for the "Victorian look" to go back to belonging to > those who really have a passion and appreciation for historical > fashions, it really hurls alot of bad information and impressions out > there to those who aren't looking into it from a serious angle and only > doing it for trend's sake. Not everyone has to be "authentic," and certainly not on the street. I think it's great when people discover and love older styles. Why should that be some cliquey private preserve? Why should Victorian styles only appear at reenactment events! I make "authentic" reproductions, I collect and wear vintage clothing, I alter the style when I want to, especially for damaged pieces, I alter the sizes whenever they don't fit me, I buy cheap gauzy repro skirts, I buy vintage-inspired designer pieces like Krista Larson: I love it all. Well, not all of it: I think the Goths have great ideas but I look awful in black and jewel tones. Never mind. On with the bustles! Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 17:30:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36LUdlZ013652 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:30:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36LUYtZ014881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36LUKF9062518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36LUJQb099986; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36LUGNY099164 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaisondeHadley@aol.com) Received: from MaisondeHadley@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d23.20a61517 (37095) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.67] (75-164-216-38.ptld.qwest.net [75.164.216.38]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB075-90e747f940cd171; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:29:55 -0400 Message-ID: <47F940CA.3070409@aol.com> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:29:46 -0700 From: Joseph Stevens User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 75.164.216.38 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f3c8013-ac9e-43cb-b530-b0c584475960 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F940FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ladybeanofbunny1@aol.com wrote: > She offered me a job once but I was not > interested at all, I am a conservationist to some degree, atleast in > preserving the clothing an appreciating what they represented from a > bygone era where morals still meant something, as evident by the > beautiful ways in which ladies chose modesty in fashion, atleast by > today's standards. Viewing historic fashion through a modern filter certainly would give the misleading impression that it was modest, but its merely that--an impression. Contemporary accounts exist in any era for the "immodest fashions" of their time. Even garments designed for the sake of modesty, such as women's drawers, first met with shock when they were first introduced. People were no more moral or immoral than we are now, but if you view the clothing they wore with a modern perspective then its going to skew what you see and you'll come away with a false impression of our ancestors. ~Joseph _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 17:49:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36LnsWb014865 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:49:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36LnlUs009911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36KooJ5059799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36Koow3046458; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m36KokZD046352 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200804062050.m36KokZD046352@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Apr 2008 20:50:37 -0000 Received: from p548E5F5B.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.95.91] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 06 Apr 2008 22:50:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4is9H4MW4NliluVTb4eSY9hqsoP4tsxYqe3CCjf Nn4LJ7Ug8L5A4j X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:51:39 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: References: <47F87C78.7000207@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6dcd541-b4e1-4ab8-9349-33c17288dd66 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F9457B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:49:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Paula, the bustle petticoat is supported by a bustle = frame - like a crinoline. However, they do not go = around the body, but are inserted into one piece = of fabric. This piece is joined between two = smaller pieces. The two small pieces are sewn or = laced together. When the bustle is worn, the = laced bit rests against the wearer=B4s legs, = keeping the bustle from being pushed to the = front. It=B4s a bit like 18th century pocket hoops = - in this picture you can see the piece of fabric = that rests agains the dummy=B4s hip: = http://www.farthingales.on.ca/pocket_hoops.htm. = Imagine a bustle like a pocket hoops with a bit = of skirt in the front to keep it from shifting = and you got it. There=B4s a good instruction with = pattern in Jean Hunnisett=B4s "Period Patterns". Best wishes, Hanna At 21:59 06.04.2008, you wrote: >Hi all, > I have often wondered how these bustle = > petticoats keep their shape, that is how do the = > stay to the back without being pushed to the = > front with all the weight of the historic = > garments. There must be something I'm not = > seeing in various patterns I've seen. Can = > anyone point me to a diagram or other information that can explain this? >Thanks to all, >Paula S.> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:32:08 +0200> = >From: Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl> To: = >h-costume@indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Old = >fashion in fashion> > Hi,> > Yesterday I walked = >trough Utrecht, a city in the Netherlands and = >saw > something familiar in a clothing shop.> It = >was a bustle petticoat like this one > = >http://trulyvictorian.com/catalog/108.html but = >without the boning made > in army green.> > I = >thought it was so funny that you can wear your = >19century bustle > petticoat out on the street = >and people would think you're wearing modern > = >fashion.> > Deredere> > = >_______________________________________________> = >h-costume mailing list> = >h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_________________________________________________________________ >Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. >http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref= resh_getintouch_042008 >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 19:44:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m36NiQAo022262 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:44:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m36NiLR2010179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:44:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m36NhnJj070093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36NhlLl092848; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m36NhiEh092767 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JYX00HOZGKKKWH0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.207] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.179, [10.240.3.207]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:43:32 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007) Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <8CA659321A52E97-C54-34D6@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4c609cc-620f-4522-b867-f2a65cc2b64b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F96055.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:44:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My take on the pictures is: 13 is definately Russian, look at his shirt - proto-typical of Russian historical shirts. I have seen sleeveless over pieces like hers on historical documents/ pictures. Most likely worn during the 'hot' summer days. 14 appears to be from the Tartar Mountain region of Poland, look at the man's boots and pants. Her outfit is like many different regional variations, however the lace sleeves and the flower on the apron is NOT at all period to any time/ area (accept for modern 20th Century 'dancing' outfits made for the tourists) Katheryne who has been researching 12thC Polish female outfits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" > > I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've > never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear > the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties > taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace > bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... > > My guesses: > 13 definitely Russia > 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been > depicted....as a nation Poland had just come out of over a > century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a > sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 20:07:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3707Uoa024136 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:07:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3707PbC017870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37077Cm071730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37076Xl007814; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37073Sm007699 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C89843.4B8988FB" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes Thread-Index: AciYQC/Phcvpg0IUQLqqswcIe9wPzQAAiQC1 References: <8CA659321A52E97-C54-34D6@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35d1eea5-dced-4231-878e-964ffc7ecc40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F965BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:07:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89843.4B8988FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having -danced- in Tatra Mountain costume, I can say #14 is not that... = ; ) For one thing, the women of the region don't wear red boots, they = wear leather slippers (with a really cool one-piece construction where = the strip of leather than laces the flat piece of leather into a shoe = shape is actually cut as part of the shoe, it's still attached...) Men = wear similar leather shoes, not the boots the man in the painting wears. = If anything, this might be an interpretation of the costumes worn in the = Krakow area (which is the stereotypical costume most often worn in the = country to represent Poland). But distinctive parts of Krakow costume = are missing for the man-- namely red and white striped pants, and = peacock feathers in the hat. Her red boots would work for Krakow, her = flower/ribbon headdress would. As I said before, though, the apron is = unlike anything I've seen, and her bodice is fantasy. There should be = shoulder straps! *******************************=20 Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director=20 The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire=20 Paul Creative Arts Center=20 30 College Road=20 Durham, NH 03824-3538=20 603-862-0310=20 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery=20 ******************************* -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: Sun 4/6/2008 7:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes =20 My take on the pictures is: 13 is definately Russian, look at his shirt - proto-typical of Russian = historical shirts. I have seen sleeveless over pieces like hers on historical documents/ = pictures. Most likely worn during the 'hot' summer days. 14 appears to be from the Tartar Mountain region of Poland, look at the = man's boots and pants.=20 Her outfit is like many different regional variations, however the lace = sleeves and the flower on the apron is NOT at all period to any time/ = area (accept for modern 20th Century 'dancing' outfits made for the = tourists) Katheryne who has been researching 12thC Polish female outfits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaeffer, Astrida"=20 >=20 > I'm thinking #14 would be more Hungarian than Polish-- I've=20 > never seen such aprons on a Polish costume-- But in truth I fear=20 > the task will be made that much more difficult by the liberties=20 > taken by the artist. For example the red strapless front-lace=20 > bustier garment in #14 is sheer invention... >=20 > My guesses: > 13 definitely Russia > 14 generic Slavic or Hungarian (not sure Polish would have been=20 > depicted....as a nation Poland had just come out of over a=20 > century of non-existence, though it did briefly exist again as a=20 > sovereign nation in the 20s so maybe it was in vogue...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89843.4B8988FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89843.4B8988FB-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 20:34:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m370Y7rn025724 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:34:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m370XxkQ008150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:34:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m370Sbeq072987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m370SZaX020964; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:28:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m370SWO0020925 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C5862A2 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:28:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-7.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-7.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.7]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:28:31 +1000 Message-ID: <1207528111.47f96aaf6bc62@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:28:31 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion - shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cdf0e29-a0c9-48e9-8797-20edd91d1a59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F96BF7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On a side note, over the last six months I have noticed older-style ladies' ankle-length boots in the stores, close enough for late-Victorian/Edwardian costume. Get in quick, this fashion only comes around every 15 years, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 21:33:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m371Xa3B028947 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:33:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m371XVGZ028324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m371WuxP076553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m371Wr57063282; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m371WoOU063211 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d31.2a229fd6 (37048) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M03 (mblk-m03.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.36]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB036-90b847f979bb33a; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:32:43 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:32:42 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 68.112.226.3 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-STANDARD Received: from 68.112.226.3 by MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:32:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA666668117568-F1C-1F08@MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f9ad24a-c391-474a-9237-7762c6250238 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47F979EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:33:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO minuet, A couple of people have suggested "minuet" for that image, and that may be what the artist had in mind.? However, I don't believe a true minuet involved that kind of arm motion--it looks to me like an old version of the "allamande" from a longways country dance.? It seems reminiscent of an actual period image I've seen, but I can't put my finger on it. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes Oh, my. Tastes in art have certainly changed over the last 100 years... ;-) Here's my take on the countries: #1 - ancient Greece; #4 - Aztec; #5 - Bali (Indonesia?); #7 - Aboriginal Australia; #8 - North Africa; #14 - Hungary; #15 - Italy (Sicily?); #17 - Czech or Slovak (or Bohemian, if that's the term they used in the 1920s). I'd also add that #9 is of course *ancient* Egypt, and I'm not seeing Turkish in #11 but I don't know *what* it is [might be some strange version of India]. And #6 could be Swiss...? As far as as the dances go, my first reactions were: tango, waltz, minuet, schottische or polka. But I'm no expert -- and none of those are "American-born" so I don't know what the artist was getting at. Your photos did turn out well! It must have been frustrating working around all the people but you got some good images. Good luck with the titles, and let us know how it turns out. Suzanne On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Date: April 5, 2008 4:17:48 AM CDT > To: "h-costume" > Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have > a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca > d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called > "Dancers of the World." There are 17 hand-painted medallions of > cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances > represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s > exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / > Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany. > He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends > with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the > medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom > ceiling in Florida. > > I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that > these were titled "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told > me that photos 18 & 19 dates represented but I can't recall the > dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for > photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. > > I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was > running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This > is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that > the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. > When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before > catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas > of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. > > If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo > number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can > be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to > use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure > to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the > right side of the menu. > > Many, many thanks in advance for your help. > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 6 22:11:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m372BMfk030472 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:11:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m372BFne030685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m372AvFK078774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m372Auxj093294; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.america.net (qsmtp3.america.net [69.60.160.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m372ArCp093247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200804070210.m372ArCp093247@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp3.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jigoq-00042u-O9 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:10:48 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:10:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: References: <20080402.212416.17953.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Talk about "historical" fashion..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6750b9e9-bf84-4017-9df4-b0589cf424d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47F982C3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:11:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello everyone, This came through on another list, and though I don't usually do this, the conversation going on about vintage fashion made me decide to pass this on. "Couture Goes Heavy Metal" LOL http://uvicmscu.blogspot.com/2007/10/couture-goes-heavy-metal.html Enjoy Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 05:35:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m379Z5f8021933 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:35:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m379YxsM030305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:35:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m379YUsI005274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m379YPiY014354; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m379YO0V014339 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2128739wfa.23 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.9 with SMTP id o9mr2319431wfg.58.1207560863956; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 02:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:34:23 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] La Mode Bagetelle Pattern help needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84d0c3e0-d8c4-49d4-af54-9b17064e0782 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F9EAC3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:35:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone have a copy of the yardage for the La Mode Bagetelle Regency Wardrobe pattern they can scan and email to me? I believe it is on the back of the envelope, I can't find it in the instruction booklet. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 05:57:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m379vIpY025365 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:57:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m379vD0r004196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m379pZ8h006200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m379pYB3027329; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m379pWbG027227 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 03:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AZkJ1Z0020mlR8UA800W00; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:50:16 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AZrR1Z0030CKaGd8X00000; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:51:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kzh-XvmeVQsA:10 a=ONWhixxhoRoA:10 a=ST0nFh9q0jyrkbcZ8roA:9 a=GSOVa48BiFH4eAoSm9yT1OoUQzkA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Message-ID: <082a01c89894$f3620c10$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47F3E61E.8060304@reddawn.net><7.0.1.0.2.20080402201517.037a1df0@suziclarke.co.uk> <3586f5070804021414o55a132b1re5ab0cc338d866cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:51:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3de8adf9-6f6c-4c7a-9031-909d6acd65da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47F9EFF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:57:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I made that dress years ago for a bride--she had the perfect figure and personality for it. When she first called me, after trying several other bridal dressmakers, who had barely even heard of Gone With The Wind, she was thrilled when I knew exactly the dress she was talking about immediately. >> The original dress I picked out for my first wedding looked just like Scarlett's "barbecue dress", only in solid white. I was going to wear a big picture hat with it. It was so beautiful.. And then the manufacturer's warehouse burnt down, taking my dress with it, and I wound up with something completely different. I've never quite gotten over the loss of that dress. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 06:29:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37AT9Ot029118 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:29:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37AT3Lf020039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:29:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37ASSe6007982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 04:28:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37AS22I053824; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 04:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37ARveH053771 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 04:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.70859715; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:27:36 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m37ARU113349.; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:27:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:13:57 +0100 Message-Id: <47F9E73502000014000E5CB1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:19:49 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6176285-6a24-4ff9-94f7-0e1f56ed833e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47F9F76F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:29:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I looked at the pictures before reading other people's comments. I agree that 2 looks Scottish. I've never seen Robin Hood portrayed wearing a kilt! The headdresses in 4 reminded me of ancient Cretan art. 7 looked to me more Australian Aborigine than African, with the heavy beards and the body paint. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 07:33:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37BWxHc010720 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:32:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37BWrYA018706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37BW2Q3011785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37BW07l002031; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37BVvLE001980 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.98] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1653602479 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:31:52 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c898a2$fdb5c090$62a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47F9E73502000014000E5CB1@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:31:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13ca18b1-8ac0-41bd-bc14-8071c5ae1e08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FA0665.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:32:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I agree that 2 looks Scottish. I've never seen Robin Hood portrayed > wearing a kilt! > Yes. and the man on the right is playing a bagpipe. The crossed swords under his feet make it a sword dance. > 7 looked to me more Australian Aborigine than African, with the heavy > beards and the body paint. > I thought so too! I've forgotten which number, but the one that says Asian women and two men, the word "Siam" for the dancers jumped into my head. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 08:02:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37C2XY6013480 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:02:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37C2POq017782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:02:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37C1ril013407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37C1qb4023552; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37C1mxs023502 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.98] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1653628290 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:01:42 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c898a7$28ca5c10$62a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:01:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bbdea2a-05d3-4a52-a94f-c35928930b94 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FA0D51.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:02:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO . > atleast in > preserving the clothing an appreciating what they represented from a > bygone era where morals still meant something, as evident by the > beautiful ways in which ladies chose modesty in fashion That's applying modern moral values to another time, which isn't much different than people who want to wear clothes from another time in the modern day. > I just long now for the "Victorian look" to go back to belonging to > those who really have a passion and appreciation for historical > fashions, it really hurls alot of bad information and impressions out > there to those who aren't looking into it from a serious angle and only > doing it for trend's sake. Why does it matter? If they are "just doing it for trend's sake" what difference does it make if they are using or making incorrect impressions of a clothing era? It would be different if they wanted to wear antique clothing in a modern way *while* participating in a re-enactment. Very, very few people out in the general public look at clothing from a "serious angle" -- you are in the minority! That's what fashion is all about -- trendy and now. Most people just want today's fashion, regardless of what it is, and -often- regardless of how attractive it is! :-) People who "have a passion and appreciation for historical fashions" are uncommon and considered an oddity by the rest of the clothes-wearing public. It's quaint and possibly odd like stamp collecting or tatting with horsehair. (no offense meant to philatelists or tatters) Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 08:40:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37CefHJ015069 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:40:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37CeXDY001628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:40:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37CeC6M015679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37Ccpk5051611; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37CclT1051555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.15] (core-dc-2-15.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m37Ccf8I015043 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:38:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <007601c898a7$28ca5c10$62a73743@denise8541f2db> References: <8CA661E7A17961A-B8-51C4@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> <007601c898a7$28ca5c10$62a73743@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <0653E1DE-A538-422B-845B-2395B98A3FB5@patriot.net> From: Carol Kocian Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:38:40 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old fashion in fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d1a3ae1-9ed4-44f5-9c9b-7851cfedc554 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FA1641.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:40:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have to agree with the person who posted about shoe styles. = When an era is the current trend, then we have shoes available, as = well as fabrics and the occasional ready-to-wear item that will do = for the historic look. But yes, shoes especially! Most reenactment = shoes are pricey, and a worthwhile investment for someone who is = immersed in a particular time period. Cheaper shoes that pass the = five-foot-away inspection are a wonderful thing! Sometimes we start = by "trying out" a time period, or need something for a dance or party = once a year. We all know that fabrics follow the trends, too =97 colors, = patterns, etc. Sometimes brocades are all over the place, and = sometimes they are hard to find. Many of us especially enjoy it when = "our" time period is passing out of fashion, and the items are marked = down. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 13:14:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37HEkiC028274 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:14:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37HEbD0005240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:14:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37HDqVm043726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37HDbEJ067819; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37HDXal067646 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5CB342561 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:13:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47FA56AE.7010907@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:15:26 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dccc76fb-3bae-492f-8a9e-94366bd75cff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FA567E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:14:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am studying the Danckaerts system to draw patterns and my teacher asked me to make a dress from the time she invented the method. She and her husband created the system in 1895. I never made anything from this period before. I found a book The "keystone" jacket and dress cutter an 1895 guide to womans tailoring. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S7Q2XQNNL.jpg Has anyone experience with this book? Are there any other books that are interesting for this time? I have the cut of women's clothes victorian and edwardian fashions from "la mode illustree" I don't think those balloon shaped sleeves will look very well on me :-\ . I have brought shoulders from myself... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 13:27:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37HRNBe028774 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:27:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37HRHB1013844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:27:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37HPgDX044995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37HOx16082867; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37HOu6i082704 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:24:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:26:34 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:26:37 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B030000D2@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <47FA56AE.7010907@kabelfoon.nl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Book question 1895 Thread-Index: AciY0xz1hximjV9+QRWatiWKo8sQqAAARcqw References: <47FA56AE.7010907@kabelfoon.nl> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2008 17:26:34.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[86F6A960:01C898D4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 923b4582-8318-45fc-bd88-32c6ada0665b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FA5975.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Period Costume for Stage and Screen: Patterns for Women's Dress 1800 - 1909 by Jean-Hunnisett might help. Patty -----Original Message----- She and her husband created the system in 1895. I never made anything from this period before. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 15:12:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37JCoEs001536 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:12:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37JCirU001725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:12:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37JBEcj056177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37JAWu8024132; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:10:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37JASP8023926 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (asmtp010-s [10.150.69.73]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout019/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m37JANFN007387 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (71-212-31-251.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.31.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp010/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m37JALaS018720 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Agnes Gawne Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:10:03 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] La Mode Bagatelle Pattern help needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d208a6dc-6b96-4f33-ae76-6fa330bbbe4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47FA722C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:12:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Ravenrook company is selling the La Mode Bagatalle patterns now. They have the yardage posted at the bottom of the page. http://www.ravenrook.com/clothier/bagatelle/regency.jsp Agnes On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:00 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:34:23 +1000 > From: "Aylwen Garden" > Subject: [h-cost] La Mode Bagetelle Pattern help needed > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Does anyone have a copy of the yardage for the La Mode Bagetelle > Regency Wardrobe pattern they can scan and email to me? I believe it > is on the back of the envelope, I can't find it in the instruction > booklet. > Many thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 15:33:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37JX065002791 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:33:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37JWri0008263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37JWZtg058265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37JVGkp060034; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37JVD75059807 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c41.30e1b91e (41812) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:30:56 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b0c1592-c6e5-4e85-98df-f77c1d5b0bf6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FA76E5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:32:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/7/2008 1:14:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl writes: I don't think those balloon shaped sleeves will look very well on me :-\ . ************** Leg-o-mutton sleeves come in all shapes and sizes. Not everyone wore huge billowy one. And unlike the earlier 1830's version [Gigot sleeves] height seems to be more important than width. In the 1830s the sleeves come from a low, a bit off the shoulder armseye, so the emphasis is more "out". In the 1890s the armseye is firmly on the shoulder and the emphasis is more "up". This can be achieved by raising the curve of the top of the sleeve head higher than wider, and making any ruffles or padding that might be used to hold its shape push up. With a ruffle at the neck and down the front of the corseted bodice, and a trumpet skirt [often stiff in this period] that fits the hips but flares sufficiently to counter the sleeves, you will look great. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 16:08:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37K8V0Z004625 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:08:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37K8Gm9021909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37K7rdo062431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37K6Xjf011106; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37K6Ulk011038 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j27so1340501elf.11 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr1791914rvo.143.1207598789915; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:06:29 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3e97572-9007-41ed-8040-f431ff3c83b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47FA7F31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:08:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Penny, I glanced at the lovely ceiling pictures. This is my favorite era. Wow! What a treat to have seen them in real life. I'm going to opine on the America social dances, merely because I run with a crowd of historic dance fans. #18 that cute pink flapper could represent most any of the wilder jazz age dances like charleston, black bottom or very early shag. #19 ragtime again, with more elegance - while it looks like waltz, could represent the american born animal trots. The only one we remember anymore is foxtrot, but there were zillions of them, such as the squirrel trot, snake dip, horse trot, camel walk, and grizzly bear. Think Crene & Vernon Castle styling as seen in the original Whirl of Life. This one might also represent the tango, a South American dance, but brought to Paris & then the US by the Castles around 1912. Someone who isnt a dance historian might mistake the ragtime tango for an American innovation. #20 American contradance - again, think 20s dance scholarship. You can hear American called quadrilles & contra on many early recordings. #21 I'm stumped. Mazur, Polka, Waltz, Schottische are all of foreign origin. There are America choreographies for the 1840s thru Civil War, but nothing truly and uniquely American. They seem too well dressed for a hoe down or barn dance. Philadelpia Hop Waltz comes to mind, but these dancers are 50+ years out of fashion, IIRC. The American innovations would be the fretted dulcimer & banjo, but I'm not enough of a music scholar to tell you when these appeared in a posh dance setting. Cant help you with the other folk dances. Not my cup of tea, --cin Message: 8 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 05:17:48 -0400 From: "Penny Ladnier" Subject: [h-cost] Help! Please! Cultural Dancers in Costumes To: "h-costume" Message-ID: <007201c896fd$eb450340$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need help...please! I am so much out of my comfort zone. I have a slideshow online of the ballroom ceiling of the Ringling's Ca d'Zan Mansion in Sarasota, Florida. The ceiling is called "Dancers of the World." There are 17 hand-painted medallions of cultural dancers. I need help with what countries and dances represented in the medallions. These were painted in the 1920s exclusively for the mansion by children's book illustrator / Broadway costume and set designer, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany. He was also a designer for the Zeigfeld Follies. He was friends with John and Mabel Ringling, the mansion's owner. He painted the medallions in his NYC studio and then applied them to the ballroom ceiling in Florida. I also need help with the photos 18-21. The curator said that these were titled "Four Corners of American-born Dances." He told me that photos 18 & 19 dates represented but I can't recall the dances. I am not really sure that I have the dates correct for photos 20 & 21. And again, do not recall the dances. I had one hour to photograph the ballroom ceiling because I was running out of time and had to photograph around tour groups. This is a popular area of the mansion and is one of the first areas that the tour groups access. I didn't even have time to take notes. When I was photographing this room, I had a couple of hours before catching my flight home. I spent a week photographing other areas of the museum. Thankfully the photos turned out good. If you are able to answer my questions, please refer to the photo number on the slideshow headers in your answer. The slideshow can be seen at http://www.costumegallery.info/ . Please make sure to use .INFO and not .COM . When you go to the slideshow, make sure to click on the enlarged view...it looks like the number 7 on the right side of the menu. Many, many thanks in advance for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 7 16:43:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m37KhNJ3006459 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:43:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m37Kh0QS016142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:43:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m37Kfvnm066368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37Kf0A1062427; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m37Keuv4062299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.19] (dial-209-148-101-19.sonic.net [209.148.101.19]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m37Kesxo011882 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:40:55 -0700 Message-ID: <47FA86D7.4020804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:40:55 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <47FA56AE.7010907@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <47FA56AE.7010907@kabelfoon.nl> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 671cbd75-9008-4fc0-9e6b-5e75075249d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FA8754.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:43:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO During the 19th and early 20th century dozens of pattern-making "systems" were invented. They fall into a number of different categories. One category was drafting to English/inch measurements or in Europe, to metric measurements. The "Keystone" system falls into this category. Robb Shep and Fred Struthers, at http://www.rlshep.com/, have reprinted a number of books containing patterns to be drafted to English measurements. Another category was apportioning scales. These were sets of rulers with units specific to that system--not English or metric units. We have reprinted four books that use apportioning scales; our website is www.lavoltapress.com. Apportioning scales are described and pictured in the FAQ for the site. A third category was slopers that could be traced off to different sizes. Then patterns were developed using flat pattern design methods. Cardboard slopers were called charts. These have lines and perforations for each pattern piece that enable it to be traced off to the chosen size. A variant was a sloper with pattern pieces made of strips of metal, with screws that enable them to be adjusted to different sizes. The best known of these in the US was the McDowell Garment Drafting System. I do not know of anyone who has reprinted charts or reproduced the metal systems, but they are often sold on the US eBay site, www.eBay.com. Huge leg-of-mutton sleeves can be very flattering, they make the waist look small. Your actual shoulders are lost in them anyway. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Deredere Galbraith wrote: > I am studying the Danckaerts system to draw patterns and my teacher > asked me to make a dress from the time she invented the method. > She and her husband created the system in 1895. > I never made anything from this period before. > > I found a book The "keystone" jacket and dress cutter > an 1895 guide to womans tailoring. > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S7Q2XQNNL.jpg > > Has anyone experience with this book? > > Are there any other books that are interesting for this time? > I have the cut of women's clothes > victorian and edwardian fashions from "la mode illustree" > > I don't think those balloon shaped sleeves will look very well on me :-\ . > I have brought shoulders from myself... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 08:25:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38CPlPe022160 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:25:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38CPfDv012440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m389qs4V017994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:52:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m389qmcX013032; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m389qiCo012953 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598B434211A for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:52:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47FB40E0.4030504@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:54:40 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b391c27-17c0-48e6-8cda-58a6d81c6e08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FB6445.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:25:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I was looking at several corset patterns. And I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a pattern for a corset for 1895 The best I could find is Past Patterns 106B/P Edwardian corset. But is a little late Or the corset on page 82 from corsets and crinolines. That one is from mid 1890's and looks comfortable with the elastic on the hips. Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 11:40:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38FeoOx029815 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:40:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38FehHm006727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38FeAd0044217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38Fe8Ks039680; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38Fe4Cm039472 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 151491305-1872270 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:39:59 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47FB40E0.4030504@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00af01c8998e$c8c02320$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <47FB40E0.4030504@kabelfoon.nl> Thread-Index: AciZYCeURyVvhPkbSNiuDXzpqZ1vhgALozNQ X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 21, in=37, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.119.254.13 X-Originating-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a9fb52d-dd1b-436d-a25f-94e5eedaf5b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FB91FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Deredere-- I really like the corset from Laughing Moon: http://www.lafnmoon.com/ Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 Hi, I was looking at several corset patterns. And I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a pattern for a corset for 1895 The best I could find is Past Patterns 106B/P Edwardian corset. But is a little late Or the corset on page 82 from corsets and crinolines. That one is from mid 1890's and looks comfortable with the elastic on the hips. Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 13:53:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38HraUx003839 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:53:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38HrUtI024057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:53:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38Hr0ol059589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38Hqv2S031507; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38Hqsc1031344 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d3c.22af198d (30739) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:52:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:52:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7d5d4f6-c217-4c26-9c4c-27e19a9e009e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FBB11A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:53:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/8/2008 5:53:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl writes: http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=106B.html&ca rt_id=5688090_4173 *********************** This corset is too late. It's not a great pattern either IMHO...the pieces do not make what you see in the illustration. What you need is Past Pattern's #213 "Victorian Corset" _http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=213T.html&c art_id=1980107_4676_ (http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=213T.html&cart_id=1980107_4676) This is easy to make. I made one with boning casings on the outside....and covered with an embroidered ribbon over a horizontally narrowly striped fabric. Very pretty....with some lace at the top. Always make your corsets pretty, it makes people want to wear them more. And in this period they loved a la-dee-da corset. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 14:13:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38IDona004962 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38IDjQ3027894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:13:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38IDPnQ061858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IDPwq057860; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp18.kp.org [162.119.133.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IDK1k057736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:13:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id m38Fffwn007618 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:13:19 -0700 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:13:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:12:47 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 04/08/2008 11:16:52 AM, Serialize complete at 04/08/2008 11:16:52 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2008-04-08 - 11:13:20 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 123a4515-5250-41f0-8034-e77de31e4dec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FBB5D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:13:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > And I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a pattern for a corset > for 1895 I am very fond of the Past Patterns late 1890s hourglass corset (pattern 213) http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=213T.html&cart_id=5688090_4173 or http://www.pastpatterns.com/213.html It makes up beautifully for a curvy woman (which I am ;-) ) -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 14:20:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38IKH0m005387 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:20:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38IK8sB009387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38IHYfc062507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IHYTS063009; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IHVZT062944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.110] (dial-209-148-99-110.sonic.net [209.148.99.110] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m38IHUbr018522 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:17:30 -0700 Message-ID: <47FBB6BC.6080107@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:17:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8610cd84-e640-4e6b-925d-cf9f8aa758d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47FBB758.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 14:53:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38IrwY6007489 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:53:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38Irp59020141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38IrUIM066115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IrPjw009827; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IrMcT009745 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080408185321.UEDD18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:53:21 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.217]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:53:21 +0200 Message-ID: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:53:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.217] at Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:53:20 +0200 X-Old-Message-Id: <003201c899a9$d02a8770$d914a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00824a31-b21f-4e77-8907-11ffd3be6ea3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FBBF40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm More here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another one............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:01:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38J1gUU007818 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:01:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38J1aAs032588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:01:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38IxJOF066651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IxIC7017211; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38IxFQh017050 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature Thread-Index: AciZqfdS9TI34/VaQq200Rfkcz4OsQAAJ4ig References: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32ffc16a-4956-43ea-9aad-9b45572223ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FBC110.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature > > Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. > I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm > More here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm > I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be > nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another > one............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:05:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38J5jUu008021 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:05:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38J5eVp014590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:05:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38J5JwC067350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38J5IEl058212; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38J5Fw5058055 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjJ82-00073n-1J for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:05:10 -0400 Received: from 64.202.82.213 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:05:09 -0400 Message-ID: <24345609.1207681510003.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a449c7d004b3b7ff5f464882df3f6df68f667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a449b400-9f29-4cc7-a1be-985aacfe6db7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FBC204.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:05:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is breathtaking, Bjarne. The doll looks VERY pleased with her beautiful gown. I'm sure we're all looking forward to the next one! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Leif og Bjarne Drews >Sent: Apr 8, 2008 2:53 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature > >Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. >I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm >More here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm >I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another one............. > >Bjarne >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:12:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38JCBgW008332 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:12:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38JBwu6018817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38JBZRm067997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JBYdV066074; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JBUgZ065876 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F873342CCA for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47FBC3D6.5020403@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:13:26 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> In-Reply-To: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ca6fe73-9a45-4b6f-922d-95bae2915bd7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FBC37E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Don't let my girl see it :-) She would probably want one too. It is very pretty. Have fun on your vacation. Deredere Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. > I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm > More here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm > I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another one............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:14:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38JEKq9008467 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:14:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38JEEfs008076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:14:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38JDkep068206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JDkUw068855; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m38JDfBE068625 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 12106 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 19:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:13:34 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c899b5$0436f520$bd0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AciZqfIU2oqegd4GRNivyTz+Ryy7SwACvGxg In-Reply-To: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9dccc024-b643-4e79-96a1-1c201f98617f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FBC406.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think the real Marie Antoinette would covet this dress! Looking forward to seeing the next! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm More here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another one............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:15:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38JFUfL008535 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:15:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38JFNEg021341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:15:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38JF5PI068363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JF4B5070571; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JF1SR070396 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:16:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B030006FF@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <000201c899b5$0436f520$bd0d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature Thread-Index: AciZqfIU2oqegd4GRNivyTz+Ryy7SwACvGxgAAH4geA= References: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <000201c899b5$0436f520$bd0d140a@edwardstepobxw> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2008 19:16:38.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[119DB800:01C899AD] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbb3dfb0-ec5e-492b-b566-0be2cee81630 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FBC44B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:15:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Agreed! Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:14 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature I think the real Marie Antoinette would covet this dress! Looking forward to seeing the next! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm More here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another one............. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:43:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38JhOTj011646 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:43:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38JhJJN017032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38JggZE071143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JgesG009420; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38Jga0Q009203 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cf4.272bf4c1 (30739) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:42:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:42:30 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18ebdc3b-ad39-4ed7-bd5d-8e1878cf3475 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FBCAD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 15:46:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38JkpIG011810 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:46:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38JkcX1024295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:46:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38JkK3n071678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38JkICG014803; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m38JkEP1014563 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38473 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 19:46:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rd0l8B8VM1mzKOQ0GSjl70RE1j7yOIVnCzFev9J5485TYxdOwGrsmAj6XEXSxXnDboSXRj2wR1u3UMXtHpaayPlzxvOkQApY2i32oIlGS76QqkpQktlbbi271fB_9w-- Received: from [63.226.19.28] by web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:46:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.190.2 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080408185321.DCLJ28118.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <556185.37294.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5be46675-da3e-4cbb-9663-4e9eb8d78e1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47FBCB9E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Shirley --- On Tue, 4/8/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > From: Leif og Bjarne Drews > Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 12:53 PM > Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. > I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it > finished: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm > More here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm > I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after > tomorrow, it wil be nice, but i cant waite to get home > again and start another one............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 16:19:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38KJ1tp013105 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:19:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38KIoHs010095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:18:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38KIE0A074955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38KIBYj050789; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:18:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38KIAgH050756 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so4866113wxc.23 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.172.16 with SMTP id u16mr13617295ane.100.1207685889934; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.119.14 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070804081318u7e7a6faftd7d363056f458017@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:18:09 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 321ad13d-b4d6-4465-ab58-0bd94ef90d34 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47FBD32A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:18:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I also really like the Past Patterns 213 for 1880s and 1890s Katy On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM, wrote: > > And I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a pattern for a corset > > for 1895 > > > I am very fond of the Past Patterns late 1890s hourglass corset (pattern > 213) > > http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=213T.html&cart_id=5688090_4173 > or > http://www.pastpatterns.com/213.html > > It makes up beautifully for a curvy woman (which I am ;-) ) > -sunny > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or > disclosing its contents. 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 16:53:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38KrPY4014912 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:53:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38KrJkj023456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:53:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38KoHIE078187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38KoGrs085377; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38KoCov085210 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0933.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.83.166]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE1A342175 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:50:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47FBDAF6.5030708@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:52:06 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <3586f5070804081318u7e7a6faftd7d363056f458017@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070804081318u7e7a6faftd7d363056f458017@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c903a720-c904-40a6-b054-fda63c9e366e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FBDB3F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:53:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would love to see pictures of people wearing the corset from past patterns 213. There is one in the great pattern review but I don't think it fits very well. I am tall have a very slender waist en round hips. Deredere Katy Bishop wrote: > I also really like the Past Patterns 213 for 1880s and 1890s > > Katy > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 17:33:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38LX3ms016901 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38LWrTr018620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38LWR8B081826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38LWNLT027702; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38LWJjK027607 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080408213219.UZES18157.fep51.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:32:19 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.120]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20080408213218.DGRW5937.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:32:18 +0200 Message-ID: <20080408213218.DGRW5937.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:32:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.120] at Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:32:18 +0200 X-Old-Message-Id: <002e01c899c0$04295f90$78e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Les adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a0f3ea7-6be5-4863-86bf-5cd837519d80 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47FBE486.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:32:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Gosh, thanks a lot all for the nice feedback on this. It is my first, and sertanly not the last, i have a polonaise in my head for the next one. Thanks a lot! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 17:49:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m38LndXH017721 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:49:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m38LnXDE027695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:49:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m38LnGW3083210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38LnGSO044467; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m38LnCCg044353 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d1a.227d09fd (41811) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:49:01 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Tailors Guide Patterns? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55e6418f-c78d-404e-9ace-1dc03c494445 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47FBE86E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:49:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! I was digging into my pattern box today and found that I do have their pattern for a Regency period Men's jacket. Are there any problems I should know about with their patterns? Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 20:19:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m390JYFE023628 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:19:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m390JSCl018198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m390Itf2094368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m390IqZb067121; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m390Imxr067005 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98983 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 00:18:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 27jVOcgVM1lnvH5kwNJF7yf5IfqezdMgjiDiwpkvTepo0f9TYH_bW54co7vjBUafTaP.QxHfizqTVf0Jpj0pX05Djd7J1H1bqaN851paJyxQJwKJgrC9O9x4Up_VMA-- Received: from [74.170.117.178] by web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:18:43 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47FB40E0.4030504@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <571150.97974.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f813bfa0-a387-48a0-8cfb-94f573cbacfa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47FC0B90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:19:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you tried looking at a Corset Making website? They have supplies and patterns as well as kits. I have puchased from them in the past and they are fast, reasonable and have had everything that I have needed for creating several different styles of corsets. http://www.corsetmaking.com/CMSpages/CMShome.html Kenet --- Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking at several corset patterns. > And I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a > pattern for a corset > for 1895 > > The best I could find is Past Patterns 106B/P > Edwardian corset. > > But is a little late > > Or the corset on page 82 from corsets and > crinolines. That one is from > mid 1890's and looks comfortable with the elastic on > the hips. > > > Deredere > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. 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I can understand how you want to expand her wardrobe. @>---- Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 8 21:41:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m391fVoh026321 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:41:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m391fP0Q014170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:41:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m391et4Y099196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m391erPU023799; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m391ep9F023778 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so334253hsz.15 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.105.15 with SMTP id d15mr14307372anc.32.1207705250681; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.119.14 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070804081840k6a94801bge176fc8bf7a1c834@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:40:50 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <571150.97974.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <47FB40E0.4030504@kabelfoon.nl> <571150.97974.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87f09604-e879-45c7-a6e3-f72c7e19670d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FC1EC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:41:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Past Patterns also sells complete corset kits for their patterns. http://www.pastpatterns.com/ Katy On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Kenet Muir wrote: > Have you tried looking at a Corset Making website? > They have supplies and patterns as well as kits. I > have puchased from them in the past and they are fast, > reasonable and have had everything that I have needed > for creating several different styles of corsets. > > http://www.corsetmaking.com/CMSpages/CMShome.html > > Kenet > > --- Deredere Galbraith > > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I was looking at several corset patterns. > > And I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a > > pattern for a corset > > for 1895 > > > > The best I could find is Past Patterns 106B/P > > Edwardian corset. > > > > > But is a little late > > > > Or the corset on page 82 from corsets and > > crinolines. That one is from > > mid 1890's and looks comfortable with the elastic on > > the hips. > > > > > > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 9 00:46:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m394kA8E000742 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:46:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m394k5Fx026561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m394jZ6A011682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m394jVk5046579; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m394jSxC046474 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from [24.223.252.224] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjSBX-0007sa-8b for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20080408232238.0286dca0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:28:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <3586f5070804081840k6a94801bge176fc8bf7a1c834@mail.gmail.co m> References: <47FB40E0.4030504@kabelfoon.nl> <571150.97974.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3586f5070804081840k6a94801bge176fc8bf7a1c834@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5387a5dba1e6b14d0ab66b43933b6d53e117bfb891a1730ce5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.224 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17e4294d-cab6-4280-af3c-06186a3b8814 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FC4A0D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:46:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Which don't give you enough materials if you're an odd size.... My first corset project (many moons ago) was using the kit for the 1830's PP corset (with the bust and hip gores). I ordered the kit because at the time I didn't know where else to get the boning, etc. I sent my measurements when I sent the order, but the bones and busk were too short, and there wasn't enough fabric to cut the corset. I was able to return the bones and get new ones, but I had to fudge the busk with extra metal to make it long enough, as they didn't have a longer one. IIRC, I had to lengthen the pattern by about 5" - I'm almost 6' tall..... YMMV, Sandy At 08:40 PM 4/8/2008, you wrote: >Past Patterns also sells complete corset kits for their patterns. > >http://www.pastpatterns.com/ > >Katy > >Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 9 18:52:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m39MqIl2008365 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:52:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m39MqCAg023933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:52:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m39MpXmL067193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m39MpRvW014551; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m39MpOIg014421 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57184 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 22:51:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .PqozKIVM1m3cxESwsVW45qykeV_w.cGoBjF_HegoteTCKwsFsNG5p37Q3YXxfeELzXyzJwLsW3v0I4lqBazT5GToZMIZm47CrqMQmaNJ.616yiaAeQ- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:51:19 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <69481.56512.qm@web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <88379.57028.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan world X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a44e79b-1664-4e14-a570-5249b047fbc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47FD489C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:52:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Carol Mitchell wrote: > > I'm not sure who put in that posting, but I can't > get the website to open. Does anyone know anything > about the book? Sorry for the delay in getting back to the list! Yes, we had server troubles for about a week, and the service ticket kept "getting lost". It's back now, though, with lots of updates. If you have been using the PDF version, I suggest you discard it and download the new one, since there are changes and additions on almost every page. The paperback version will be available sometime this summer, although the date is still TBD. We're almost finished with the design phase now! MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 9 20:23:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3A0NfgP013742 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:23:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3A0NUkj008050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3A0HYLI076879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3A0HVBU078851; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3A0HSFm078769 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46429 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 00:17:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gnJJ2nQVM1l04IOTEjNbCmq7olm5KxuENPAqfLZGe0r0mvcQlP_sojWOri0PkdzGvKREawuxCYeB5Qimg6S0ogfo2_nfvk3zqhCdHK4mqFDUpxoo60k- Received: from [208.111.202.18] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:17:23 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <392309.46072.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 471c7571-7c53-47bb-95f7-8fac330650d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47FD5E02.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862-0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Les Adieaux en miniature > > Sorry this is off topic, but it is historical costume. > I finnished the doll dress and i promised you to see it finished: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cl31.htm > More here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_queens_lady_in_waiting.htm > I am going on a small holliday to Berlin the day after tomorrow, it wil be > nice, but i cant waite to get home again and start another > one............. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 10 00:58:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3A4w5OC027279 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:58:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3A4vxCN008660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:58:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3A4vWOg097742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3A4vTBh066455; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3A4vQSf066359 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W14 ([65.55.138.49]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:57:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:57:21 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080408213218.DGRW5937.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080408213218.DGRW5937.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2008 04:57:21.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BDFEB70:01C89AC7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Les adieaux en miniature X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07f8ca64-8815-4b7b-818c-81c15ab1f21f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FD9E57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:58:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Not the least bit OT!! Just because it is small!? I can't wait for you to get back from Berlin to do another! :) Have fun in Berlin! Sg > From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:32:14 +0200> Subject: [h-cost] Les adieaux en miniature> > Gosh, thanks a lot all for the nice feedback on this. It is my first, and sertanly not the last, i have a polonaise in my head for the next one.> Thanks a lot!> > Bjarne> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 10 06:55:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3AAsu8K028683 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3AAsocR010326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:54:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3AAsMLl016618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:54:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3AAsJdd095295; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3AAsGWr095200 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 61411 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 10:54:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o9zBwxkVM1mjYisXJH_daWuDo7tHbTJWXZePj8Gyqu7S4rBg9d_7tVAddPVWJzqs10Mu02Z6gLlNz17m5zWmKuAMLQfbRZd2oUkBCkAUTnAO4cqwaqHBe.5PfUoPaBqj7pK8mlGt.WxetxwVhMYqWZ2G4w-- Received: from [72.141.220.93] by web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:54:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <127559.61069.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91561e82-8be1-4611-b88e-3072344adda8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FDF1FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:54:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is an original pattern from 1898 someone has scanned in and even expla= ined how one could resize it on the computer. I couldn't figure out exactly= what they were talking about, so I simply printed it on mylar and proporti= onately enlarged it. It made it too long, but that's fairly fixable. With a= ny corset pattern, you should be test fitting it several times anyway. http://www.staylace.com/updatelogs/graphics/school_corset.gif I'm trying my hand at sewing again. I had the urge to get back in thesaddle= right in time to finally secure a job. :-) Irony abounds! I'm trying to ma= ke a black leather show girl costume in time for a competition in May. I de= cided to give my imagination free reign, which it still isn't used to. ;-) Cheers, Kathy It=92s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish= proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Kel= ler The difference between stupid and intelligent people - and this is true whe= ther or not they are educated - is that intelligent people can handle subtl= ety. They are not baffled by ambiguous or even contradictory situations. In= fact, they expect them and are apt to be suspicious when things seem overl= y straightforward. - Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" It's not who you are that holds you back, it's who you think you're not. - = Denis Waitley __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the b= oot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to N= ew Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 10 07:15:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ABFAsW032744 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ABF3Uw015909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ABEfjH017826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ABEekt008093; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.106]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ABEanW008012 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1302.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.24]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F587427DB4 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:14:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47FDF715.7020004@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:16:37 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <127559.61069.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <127559.61069.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0d8a6f2-e0f8-464f-b5c4-c8351cc46da0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47FDF6B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you all for the input. I have all the materials so I won't buy a kit for the corset. Thank you Katy for the link. I think I rather make a corset from a historic picture and adjust it to = my size than to buy a pattern. And have to adjust it anyway. Past pattern looks a lot like a corset that I already have and I would = like to make a different one. But I'll keep it in mind. I think I will try the one I found in corsets and Crinolines with the = elastic at the hip. My left hip hurts sometimes while wearing a corset. I hope the elastic = will help. And I'll probably have to make two different sides because my left hip = is almost 2 cm higher than the other. And Kathy good luck with your showgirl project. It can be so much fun to let your imagination go wild :-) Deredere Kathy Page wrote: > This is an original pattern from 1898 someone has scanned in and even exp= lained how one could resize it on the computer. I couldn't figure out exact= ly what they were talking about, so I simply printed it on mylar and propor= tionately enlarged it. It made it too long, but that's fairly fixable. With= any corset pattern, you should be test fitting it several times anyway. > > http://www.staylace.com/updatelogs/graphics/school_corset.gif > > I'm trying my hand at sewing again. I had the urge to get back in thesadd= le right in time to finally secure a job. :-) Irony abounds! I'm trying to = make a black leather show girl costume in time for a competition in May. I = decided to give my imagination free reign, which it still isn't used to. ;-) > > Cheers, > > Kathy > > It=92s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot > Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Iri= sh proverb > One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen K= eller > The difference between stupid and intelligent people - and this is true w= hether or not they are educated - is that intelligent people can handle sub= tlety. They are not baffled by ambiguous or even contradictory situations. = In fact, they expect them and are apt to be suspicious when things seem ove= rly straightforward. - Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" > It's not who you are that holds you back, it's who you think you're not. = - Denis Waitley > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the= boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to= New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 10 09:01:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3AD1VqH005993 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:01:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3AD1PAk027745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:01:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3AD0rjI026229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3AD0pEC086580; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3AD0nXk086541 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:00:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so2958615wri.8 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.83.15 with SMTP id k15mr727108rvl.120.1207832448556; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.165.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:00:48 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] lacing holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c00e1bdb-9cf5-4202-b74d-3463221f8f42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47FE0FA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:01:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wasn't sure if it was this list that was discussin lacing holes, or the garb list, so I'll send to both. TEXTILES AND CLOTHING 1150-1450 put out by Musium of London in 1992 on p. 164 has extent textiles from the 14th century showing lacing holes done with a buttonhole stitch with the bead in the hole. The did a wide spaced stitch around it, then filled it in with close spaced stitches. Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 10 13:14:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3AHEMaj017714 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:14:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3AHEHoI008106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:14:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3AHDiNM059089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3AHDfA3052770; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:13:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3AHDb1h052625 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:13:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c52.3100dcfe (32914) for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:13:25 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1610e77-3b5e-43b4-86a2-440e8741d4be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47FE4AE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 11 06:54:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3BAsSWA009509 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:54:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3BAsMOc025048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:54:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3BArrGn099805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3BArnJr012400; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3BArhql012284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-248-22.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.248.22] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JkGsy-000Jij-ME for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:23:36 +0930 Message-ID: <000c01c89bc2$42611b00$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:23:21 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53f1b7ff-d6f9-4915-9fa0-84910e8ede92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47FF435E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:54:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:13:25 EDT > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern 1895 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 4/10/2008 6:55:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca writes: > > http://www.staylace.com/updatelogs/graphics/school_corset.gif > > > > ******************* > > > That's a corset from "Corsets & Crinolines"....but I'm kinda intrigued to > see if I can size it up with the method described using the printer. > > I looked at it and thought - isn't that corset in "Corsets and Crinolines"? From memory it's a bit earlier than 1898 too isn't it? I thought the spoon busk was most common in the 1880's? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 11 22:47:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3C2l3JS018117 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:47:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3C2kvRo025995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:47:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3C2kSFr084847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3C2kO9j033927; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3C2kMKY033861 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:46:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.28] (helo=mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JkVku-0001uX-H5 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:46:16 -0400 Received: from 4.90.62.113 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:46:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd690ce4a97bc0ecfd31d8636049a0e4fedb666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.28 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7433c49-8b30-4e22-8f96-c16d2f789190 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480022A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:47:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last Thursday. And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very upsetting to me. The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's said that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some cast members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd just assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her agenda was different? So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by praise-forget faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overbearing, didn't listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions form the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days before dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time. The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact but were more conventional. Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's professional standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know if they are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and practitioners. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 11 23:37:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3C3bPGA019983 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:37:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3C3bJwI018888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3C3b0eV088077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3C3axt7064174; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:36:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3C3auI5064090 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W23 ([64.4.19.123]) by bay0-omc2-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:36:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.22.238] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:36:50 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2008 03:36:49.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[711B5D20:01C89C4E] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2658b246-a71a-4ed3-9293-472f95c90a31 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48002E6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:37:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi All, I too do productions for a, very dear to me, director - I've been doing this for the last 5 years - one to two shows a year, usually one major one and a smaller production. I've spent alot of time on the net researching each show and period but have never come upon a "professional standards" list or site. I usually have complete control over the design with the directors in put when she feels I am not in tune with her vision - however we are amazingly in tune in that aspect. The only show I have done with another director was extremely stressfull and disorganized. There were a small handfull of very self-important actors whom I couldn't please no matter what I did. Then on opening night the "co-director" (didn't show up till Tech WeeK) completely changed the opening scene wardrobe substituting costumes that were scheduled for the end of the the show - this without telling me. Needless to say this threw off the continuity of the wardrobe changes. What do you do in a situation like this? "Professional Standards" might have given me a direction. I know I won't work with this group again. Anniecat16> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:46:16 -0500> From: achasedesign@peoplepc.com> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS> > Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last Thursday. And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very upsetting to me.> The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's said that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some cast members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst.> It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd just assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her agenda was different?> So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by praise-forget faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overb! earing, didn't listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions form the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days before dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time.> The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact but were more conventional.> Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's professional standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know if they are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and practitioners. Audy> > in the high boonies of Central Texas> > ________________________________________> PeoplePC Online> A better way to Internet> http://www.peoplepc.com> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailma! n/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. 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Margo Anderson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 12 08:51:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3CCpb2T000399 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:51:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3CCpQd7028771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3CCouLj018482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CCoqRK071916; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CComvU071842 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from IBMTHINKPAD [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A0230338; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:50:43 -0400 Received: from IBMTHINKPAD ([71.182.164.31] helo=IBMTHINKPAD) by ASSP-nospam; 12 Apr 2008 08:50:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c89c9b$d47c02a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:50:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8af4a4b-4d04-4602-9e3d-dc892f238840 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4800B04E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:51:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Been there and done that. A worse scean is when the costumes get voted on by the Mother's Aux. for the production...and the Director accepts their critique as the standard. Or the whole cast gets to decide which costumes make the cut. Between the movies and the major two Costume companies, the visual expectation is very limited for the Popular theater of a general public. The idea of style interpretation sometimes extends to matching colors, prints, assessories and such to the exact picture on the Pattern cover or to a particular garment from the film. Very frustrating. Making Cartoon costumes is not fun for one who may have a better view of the historical aspects of how the style (generic) clothes and compliments the character being costumed. It took me several years to learn to "pick my battles" and to try to maintain an integrity of Design for a particular production. In working with some cast members, I fought for their trust by reminding them that my name Too would be on the program; if they didn't look good or the character was inappropriatly clothed, I would get the criticism first. We spend a fair bit of time on this List with personal critiques of the movies and other productions re Costume; it is often pointed out that directors and actors live in a kind of fantasy world and that Design integrity is least in their expectation. For myself, in agreeing to do a production, I stressed Interpretation as a major starting point for the Design development. With some duds and a larger number of successes, I managed to get my own share of plaudits that gave me courage to move forward for the "next" time. (And there were many times when in the company of tech staff it was said that I "saved the show".) Guess one might remind the Director that theye can always Rent from a 'professional' theater supply house , Cost and Style be @#$&^%. Funny, when paying the Rental company how few complaints are given re Desigh and Fit! KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: "AVCHASE" To: "h-costume posts" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last > Thursday. And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been > very upsetting to me. > The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's said > that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some > cast members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. > It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd > just assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice > my craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her > agenda was different? > So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a > designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by > praise-forget faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was > overbearing, didn't listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to > take suggestions form the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put > forth a few days before dress and production had gotten me no help for a > small musical with 48 changes in it. Some very small; most changes are > full costume though. I found I was being difficult when I said there just > wasn't time. > The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact but > were more conventional. > Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's professional > standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know if > they are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and > practitioners. Audy > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 12 10:02:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3CE2XXS004035 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:02:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3CE2RPA025929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:02:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3CE20Vw023016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CE1wQY020412; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CE1tP2020309 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.245.146.17] by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JkgId-0001Y5-Sc for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:01:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001901c89c9b$d47c02a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001901c89c9b$d47c02a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <5E282738-9D28-47FD-A846-CA265E984393@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:01:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4013c11571a5b7b871643867192dd8c7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.17 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b26c8a33-4f8b-4a80-ac00-fbf6d8037d04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4800C0F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:02:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My latest problem was on the other end. Since I both direct and "do" costumes, I am accustomed as a director to work closely with my costume designer, as I would hope a director would do with me. And I have worked with the same costume designer for most of my productions. At the beginning of the project, I sit down with her and discuss my overall vision of the show, my concept of the characters, for shows with costume changes my understanding of the moods of various scenes as well as the time and place etc. of those scenes; she talks with me to clarify what I have in mind and to suggest her ideas (having read the script of course), especially about materials and line. A few days later we get together with patterns and illustrations I've found and patterns and illustrations she's found, plus a script schedule showing where costume changes are necessary and how much time will be available to make those changes. And a few days later she gives me her working schedule and we approve all designs. Since I'm usually pitching in on the sewing, we are able to discuss revisions as the need arises. It's all really wonderful, and costumes are done by opening night (this is community theater-- most things are finished by first dress, but we're realists...), properly fitted and comfortable for the actors; all costumes involved in costume changes are done by first dress if not sooner. BUT this past year I was scheduled to direct The Glass Menagerie, but my costumer had had a heart attack and wanted to scale back her role. Since the theater had been approached by someone with costuming experience who wanted to develop her portfolio so she could apply for graduate programs, we contacted her, and she said she very much wanted to design the show. My usual designer and I met with her for a long evening; I discussed my vision of the show, as usual. She had not yet read the play (although we had agreed to work together some three weeks previous)--she said she hadn't had time to get over to the theater to pick up a script and hadn't thought to go to her local library.... We should have read this as a danger signal, but she was very busy with her "day job" and we assumed that was the problem. She seemed enthusiastic about getting down to designing, and said she'd be doing some research and then would have sketches for me in a week or ten days. Three weeks went by (of course we were already in rehearsal and moving toward opening); my costumer lent her several books about 1930s clothing, and called her a number of times to see what was going on, but no sketches emerged. Came time for taking publicity photos, and nothing--so my old designer, who is costumes mistress for that community theater, pulled some things that we felt would "do," and at a vintage shop I bought a dress that I knew would work for Laura for photos for the gentleman-caller scenes and would be easily adaptable to use in the actual production should we have to fend for ourselves. I also found a dress that would work for Amanda's cotillion gown in the collection of the community theater where _I_ am costumes mistress--it was a little small, but pins and things held it together for photos, and we knew that if we wound up using it we had the personnel to do the alterations. We let the costumes person know that we were coping for the photo shoot but were looking forward to seeing her DESIGNS, which my usual costumer reminded her would be subject to director's approval. Three days later she showed up at a rehearsal and asked if she could pull Laura out of the rehearsal to try some things on her. Since the rehearsal was for the gentleman- caller scenes, I really couldn't spare Laura, but said we could stay late for the costume stuff. While I was giving notes to the g-c after the rehearsal, the costumes person whisked Laura off to the dressingroom. I got up there as soon as I could, to see her fussing with a plaid housedress. She assured me that the housedress would be "absolutely period" as soon as she cut the neckline squarer and deeper. I asked her if she had made or bought the dress or if it was from the theater's collection, and when she said it was from the collection I suggested that she clear any style alterations with the costumes mistress (this aside from the fact that I had told her from the beginning that I wanted all of Laura's clothing soft of hand and muted in color except for her g-c dress, and obviously I wouldn't be happy with a black-and-green plaid with bright green piping...). She asked me why I was making her answerable to someone else. Then I drove her home (she had no car, another problem I should have picked up on sooner), and I never heard from her again. She did not return my old costumer's calls. SO my old costumer, plus one of our loyal assistants and me, swung into action with very little time remaining before opening, worked out a costume sequence for the women characters that would accommodate the time constraints for the necessary changes, and got costumes on everyone by opening night that were comfortable, compatible with the show's vision and with the style of the set, and period-suggestive if not "absolutely period" on all counts. (Several days before we opened, while we were in the final frenzy of getting costumes done, the "designer" called the costumes mistress and left a message that she had quit the show!) Audiences raved about the show--acting, set, costumes, atmosphere, interpretation, all of it. Several weeks after the show closed, the costumer-errant called the costumes mistress to tell us all how unprofessional we had been and say that she had found us impossible to work with. She also said she'd leave the loaned books on her porch for the costumes mistress to pick up. This summer I'm directing The Tempest, and luckily my usual costumer (also referred to as costumes mistress in above scenario) is feeling well recovered and will be working with me as usual. So I'd say Yes, we do need some statement about the role of the costumes designer and the interaction between designer and director-- taking all participants into account: designer, actors, and director! (possibly with an appended checklist called "signs that your costumer/ actor/director may be insane"!) Oh, thanks for your patience in reading this--I hadn't put it together before, and it's been a good catharsis for me! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Apr 12, 2008, at 8:50 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > Been there and done that. > > A worse scean is when the costumes get voted on by the Mother's > Aux. for the > production...and the Director accepts their critique as the > standard. Or the > whole cast gets to decide which costumes make the cut. > > Between the movies and the major two Costume companies, the visual > expectation is very limited for the Popular theater of a general > public. The > idea of style interpretation sometimes extends to matching colors, > prints, > assessories and such to the exact picture on the Pattern cover or > to a > particular garment from the film. Very frustrating. Making Cartoon > costumes > is not fun for one who may have a better view of the historical > aspects of > how the style (generic) clothes and compliments the character being > costumed. It took me several years to learn to "pick my battles" > and to try > to maintain an integrity of Design for a particular production. > > In working with some cast members, I fought for their trust by > reminding > them that my name Too would be on the program; if they didn't look > good or > the character was inappropriatly clothed, I would get the criticism > first. > > We spend a fair bit of time on this List with personal critiques > of the > movies and other productions re Costume; it is often pointed out that > directors and actors live in a kind of fantasy world and that Design > integrity is least in their expectation. > > For myself, in agreeing to do a production, I stressed > Interpretation as a > major starting point for the Design development. With some duds and a > larger number of successes, I managed to get my own share of > plaudits that > gave me courage to move forward for the "next" time. (And there > were many > times when in the company of tech staff it was said that I "saved the > show".) > > Guess one might remind the Director that theye can always Rent from a > 'professional' theater supply house , Cost and Style be @#$&^%. > Funny, when > paying the Rental company how few complaints are given re Desigh > and Fit! > > KSM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AVCHASE" > To: "h-costume posts" > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:46 PM > Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > > >> Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last >> Thursday. And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout >> has been >> very upsetting to me. >> The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show >> (she's said >> that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time >> some >> cast members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. >> It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. >> I'd >> just assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to >> practice >> my craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her >> agenda was different? >> So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a >> designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by >> praise-forget faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I >> was >> overbearing, didn't listen to the actress's ideas and was not >> willing to >> take suggestions form the actresses. The ideas and suggestions >> were put >> forth a few days before dress and production had gotten me no help >> for a >> small musical with 48 changes in it. Some very small; most changes >> are >> full costume though. I found I was being difficult when I said >> there just >> wasn't time. >> The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic >> impact but >> were more conventional. >> Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's >> professional >> standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't >> know if >> they are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars >> and >> practitioners. Audy >> >> in the high boonies of Central Texas >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 12 12:40:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3CGeoQ8014402 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:40:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3CGegYq025268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3CGe5rp036359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CGe2Kq038308; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:40:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CGdxDB038165 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [69.105.202.83] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jkile-0005m1-4R for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:39:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5E282738-9D28-47FD-A846-CA265E984393@mindspring.com> References: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001901c89c9b$d47c02a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <5E282738-9D28-47FD-A846-CA265E984393@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <42B0785A-E0B0-4FC1-BDA3-A6AE971066D9@igc.org> From: Chris Laning Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:36:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c69498850a57aef59a13a6cb6616aaa3e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.202.83 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ce90bc1-d66f-4dee-8e86-cf0f965e7f46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4800E60A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO These experiences suggest that both designers and directors would be happier in the end if, whatever the expectations are, they were *written down* and agreed on ahead of time. A designer might not be completely happy, but both designer and director might be far less *stressed* to know ahead of time that, for instance, the leading lady gets to dictate her own colors and will provide her own undergarments. (The designer is of course free to think "Victorian corset for Shakespeare? Ha!" in the privacy of his or her own mind....) I'm sure the collective mind can cheerfully provide a list of common things that go wrong if anyone wants to write up guidelines for what might be useful in such an agreement ;) (That is, if there isn't already such a thing available...) Flaky employees who don't meet deadlines, however are endemic in all ines of work and are really another matter. That's a matter of someone not meeting the terms of something they already HAVE agreed to. Community theater directors may just be more out of luck on this than most people because they so often don't have anyone else they can really turn to if the costumer flakes out. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 12 18:17:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3CMHBe5002971 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:17:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3CMH0o2031124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3CMGa0i064470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CMGXHJ014124; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n28.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n28.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3CMGTSU014027 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.179] by n28.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.111] by t5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 22:16:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 337872.38570.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4972 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:17:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > These experiences suggest that both designers and directors would be > happier in the end if, whatever the expectations are, they were > *written down* and agreed on ahead of time. I absolutely agree. My husband and a group of friends build sets for amateur theatre, so I've been reading this thread from the other side, as it were. Having had less and less time to build bigger and bigger sets in recent years, the latest show was an absolute monster - two structures, 20 ft high, 20ft wide and 8ft deep(just to have space for enough buttressing), which the director originally wanted to move in sight during scenes! They built it, securely enough that the theatre's resident stage manager allowed them to use it and move it, which was in question until the technical rehearsal, but only with the curtains closed and all cast off stage - but they have now written down conditions making clear that they can only do so much if just presented with plans at 6 weeks notice, and how much better it could be if they were involved in discussions about design and movement requirements at an early stage. Clearly understood expectations are always where it's at! Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 12 18:36:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3CMarKv003897 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3CMal8V014369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:36:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3CMaUrh065729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3CMaUm5026448; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n22.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n22.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3CMaPAm026324 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [217.146.182.177] by n22.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 22:36:19 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.115] by t3.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 22:36:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp220.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 22:36:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 796592.44588.bm@omp220.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26864 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 22:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:36:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sharon@collierfam.com writes: > > Someone recently told me that it was a sign of refinement/education to be be > to spell a word in different ways. Anyone ever hear of this? > > > > ************************ > > Not "your", "you're" and "yore". Or "two", "to" and "too". > > I suppose it might seem cosmopolitan to know "color" is "colour" in Britain > or that you can shop at a shoppe... but it's really just having a good vocab. > English has like 3 times more words in it than other languages... stolen from > other languages... which is why we have so many different spellings and > homonyms. > There's a quote from Mark Twain, "I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way". Maybe that's what they were thinking of? Rather out of date now that standardised spelling is the norm. Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 15:49:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DJnCis009678 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:49:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DJn1kJ010816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DJmJ9t048619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DJmFq9072317; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3DJmCaO072230 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20305 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2008 19:48:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3oVP2HsVM1lSGXeQmAVw9jq8.9UoxVmfzOrs3ECRSkY6hgGX2hRIBwzZrm.KZGxIsi.0OORhlSXCqO31GsBtC1yMoEcJoYqGuFpKWau2Ek6EJh5Iggt0lgUo7unCeg-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:48:07 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47FA86D7.4020804@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <136788.20050.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44e3cb2f-ce14-4489-a54f-b0ed91b125f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 480263AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:49:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 15:57:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DJvs5R010099 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:57:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DJvlww014118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:57:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DJvULL049216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DJvU7Z078484; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DJvRK5078395 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jl8KI-0000Uh-7i for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:57:22 -0400 Received: from 4.90.58.53 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <27254475.1208116641609.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:57:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69fb7c02c24e550e824d5b438f32e81edba7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] D P STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1aabf50c-cd05-41b9-8822-2a4d4b879a91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 480265BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:57:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO To all who've addressed this question to date: Thank you all so much. I now don't 1) feel all alone 2) feel so abused. Here is some of how I do a design assignment or project: Read the script as early as possible, first for impression then for content Research the author, his era, the era of the play Read the script again for actions of characters Line by line read the dialogue for described, prescribed, and proscribed dress Take into account the stage directions and how or if they apply to the stage being used Assess each character's personality Talk to the director Prepare drawings for director's approval Check with set design on color, exits-entrances, any obstructions, need for particular set pieces ( coat rack, etc.) I do not costume actors; I design uniforms for characters (I do take into consideration any physical limitations of the actor) On this show I got the script the afternoon of auditions and was turned on my request for a meeting with director who said she didn't know what she yet and she'd get back to me - never happened. A starter for, not a standard, a precept to work by :never take measurements by yourself, always use a chaperone. If working with children do not use other children for this, always use an adult. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 16:05:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DK5E0N010472 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:05:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DK58kR016934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DK4s8r049765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:04:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DK4ruB083289; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3DK4oZS083181 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84535 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2008 20:04:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: udsS6CUVM1kUOzRog3Yetk_8ELFN0kA5zu3apELTs4KOiX62oomboJVRV9OzDXsqOCAYkrNkVpLJXgoceF1NOD5_NuBfVDxCOJwQ4WpHxS6ocB92w_n..hbCOrGuNQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:04:44 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <127559.61069.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <242120.84378.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] drafting/scaling corsets to size, was: Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fe76349-aa24-42de-b9d8-3ccf85b47ccd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48026774.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:05:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wooooooow, I call this a help!!! I just wanted to post a question about wha= t methods you use when drafting/scaling corsets to size. Because I just don= 't get the scaling or enlarging from an existing pattern. The human body is= so "diverse", there are so many measurements to care about...though, I adm= it, a corset is designed to shape the body rather than to adjust to it. = I draft all patterns I make, but I still cannot draft a corset that would a= chieve the period, not modern, figure. I've spent quite a lot of time diggi= ng into 19th century drafting books, but I could never find a drafting syst= em for drawing corsets. This simple method about enlarging an existing pattern looks good, I gotta = try it:-D It's maybe best to make the right proportions (width and height) = in photoshop and then print it to the correct size. Or print it in a small = size on an A3/A4 printer and let it be photocopied and enlarged. So, may I ask, what methods do you use when making a corset pattern? If it = is not your trade secret, of course:-) Zuzana Kathy Page wrote: This is an original pattern f= rom 1898 someone has scanned in and even explained how one could resize it = on the computer. I couldn't figure out exactly what they were talking about= , so I simply printed it on mylar and proportionately enlarged it. It made = it too long, but that's fairly fixable. With any corset pattern, you should= be test fitting it several times anyway. http://www.staylace.com/updatelogs/graphics/school_corset.gif I'm trying my hand at sewing again. I had the urge to get back in thesaddle= right in time to finally secure a job. :-) Irony abounds! I'm trying to ma= ke a black leather show girl costume in time for a competition in May. I de= cided to give my imagination free reign, which it still isn't used to. ;-) Cheers, Kathy It�s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish= proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Kel= ler The difference between stupid and intelligent people - and this is true whe= ther or not they are educated - is that intelligent people can handle subtl= ety. They are not baffled by ambiguous or even contradictory situations. In= fact, they expect them and are apt to be suspicious when things seem overl= y straightforward. - Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" It's not who you are that holds you back, it's who you think you're not. - = Denis Waitley __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the b= oot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to N= ew Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around = http://mail.yahoo.com = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 17:41:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DLfCqt015185 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DLf2XW015754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DLeb6J056095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DLeZA5043907; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:40:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DLeWGK043808 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c28.31874cff (37164) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-nb19 (webmail-nb19.sim.aol.com [207.200.69.211]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA043-912c48027dc225c; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:40:19 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:40:18 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.161.78.101 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35972-STANDARD Received: from 75.161.78.101 by webmail-nb19.sysops.aol.com (207.200.69.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:40:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA6BC61A24BB9F-1AC-123A@webmail-nb19.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Designer standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4a28c24-294d-427b-8eb2-7230b7192ff2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48027DEE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:41:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I assume that the material posted so far regarding professional behavior and expectations of costume designers has related mostly to community theatre.? May I comment as a professional costume designer.? I learned very early in my career not to work without a signed contract.? Every contract I sign spells out very clearly what I am responsible for and gives due dates for rough sketches, final sketches and dates?that I am required to be in residence with the theatre company which has employed me.? My contract expires on opening night.? Most contracts also indicate that I will partipate in all design conferences with the director and other designers involved in the production as well as regularly scheduled production and budget meetings.? In addition, the contract gives dates in which I will receive a portion of my design fee.? The contract I am looking at right now stipulates that I will be paid for my work in three installments, the last to occur on opening night.? It also s! tates that I will be given a housing allowance and be reimbured for traveling expenses to and from the theatre company. Having a signed contract protects both the designer and the company.? I learned my lesson when I was first beginning my career wherein, after working for three weeks on designs for a show and being promised a contract any day, the producer quit and the new producer had a girlfriend who was a costume designer.? Guess what happened? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 17:42:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DLg604015242 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DLfugX023554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DLfgdi056148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DLffmV044631; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DLfeP8044618 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so493493rvb.11 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr2960136rve.70.1208122900359; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:41:40 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Day at the Computer History Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83ee224a-dd34-4e96-bb1b-2e2211c81b97 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48027E24.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:42:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Exhibit Launch & Open House: Charles Babbage's Difference Engine No. 2 DATE & TIME Saturday, May 10, 2008 12 noon - 5:00 p.m. ABSTRACT OF TALK Join the Computer History Museum in launching its exciting new exhibit: Babbage's Difference Engine No. 2, exhibited for the first time in North America. Bring your family and friends to see and hear the Engine in action! This five-ton Engine is one of only two Charles Babbage's computing engines ever built, consisting of 8,000 parts of bronze, cast iron and steel and measuring 11 feet long and 7 feet high. It was designed to calculate and print mathematical tables. Come to see the docents "crank" the Engine and watch it mechanically calculate - an arresting spectacle of automatic computing. The exhibit launch and open house, a Victorian-themed event, promises a stunning display of Babbage's elegant design and inspired engineering. His designs for vast mechanical calculating engines rank as one of the startling achievements of the 19th century. The Babbage Exhibit is made possible through the generosity of the following donors: Nathan Myhrvold, Andreas Bechtolsheim, Bell Family Trust, Donna Dubinsky & Len Shustek, Judy Estrin, Fry's Electronics - Kathryn Kolder, Dorrit & F. Grant Saviers, Marva & John Warnock, and special thanks to Science Museum, London. Come to see what no Victorian ever saw. Activities: 12:30, 1:30, 2:30 & 4:00 p.m. - Babbage's Engine demonstrations 1:00 & 3:30 p.m. - Screening of Ada Lovelace Film, "To Dream Tomorrow" (53min) - Popcorn, snowcones and pretzels available all afternoon LOCATION 1401 N. Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043 Directions --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Calling all steam punk nerds: Victorian Day at the Computer History Museum YES! May 10! http://www.computerhistory.org/babbage/ Please forward on to anyone else who may want to attend. mike _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 17:52:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DLqS8T015709 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:52:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DLqIJ1029502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DLppEw056732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DLppv1050945; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+1sQcVfWbijxwO9l1OM84a0IyXauzMmRc@mail2.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DLplT8050884 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3DLpkOY012543 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:51:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 11454 invoked by uid 80); 13 Apr 2008 21:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.40.63.148) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 13 Apr 2008 21:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:51:41 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1130dd1-27cd-4826-a7e3-5b83f1df5ac6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48028092.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:52:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Relaying a request from a friend: Can anyone recommend, ideally from personal experience, a good supplier of medieval (say, 14th-15th c.) belts and/or buckles? My friend is familiar with Revival Clothing, which sells Talbot's leather goods, but would like to know his range of options before purchasing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 18:32:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3DMWZZM017559 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3DMWUR2030938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3DMWAI5058833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3DMWAiK071685; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp111.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3DMW6kI071571 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 36625 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2008 22:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.210.171 with plain) by smtp111.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 22:32:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _9qHnGYVM1nB50bBvZlC_VWYet7SeKae4ZZr13iEREj7yK8.8ywZVrtPqxDOVlUCDg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <480289D0.5090709@rogers.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:31:44 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dcc8b241-ec44-4a2a-9412-b10170cb8e0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480289FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am a fan of Raymond's Quiet Press for buckles, strap ends, etc: http://www.quietpress.com/ You'll have to get your own leather belt strapping, but he really does have a nice selection. He primarily works in bronze, but items can be plated. For pewter findings, there's Fettered Cock: http://www.fetteredcockpewters.com/page_belts.htm . They no longer do custom belts, but I'm a long-term satisfied customer. There's also Billy and Charlie: http://www.billyandcharlie.com/belt.html . Robin, the lady of this particular establishment is the same lady who did the pewter casting demo at Kalamazoo a few years ago. 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Relaying a request from a friend: Can anyone recommend, ideally from personal experience, a good supplier of medieval (say, 14th-15th c.) belts and/or buckles? My friend is familiar with Revival Clothing, which sells Talbot's leather goods, but would like to know his range of options before purchasing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 20:26:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E0Qx76022177 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:26:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E0QjAi012088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E0Q1c9065661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:26:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E0Pw0V034080; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E0Ptqe034046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E0Ps3M025650 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:25:54 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:25:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20080413192554.66pjlny68ww4s4ww@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:25:54 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <00bb01c89db6$a0290270$6401a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <00bb01c89db6$a0290270$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? 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Emma Quoting Linda Rice : > Raymond's Quiet Press offers that rare combination of good, fast and > reasonable price. > > www.quietpress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 20:41:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E0fWE0022918 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:41:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E0fQqu020074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:41:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E0fAe7066522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E0f9cM043064; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E0f5uC042999 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:41:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3714770A06 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:41:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-151.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-151.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.151]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:41:03 +1000 Message-ID: <1208133663.4802a81f8a7ab@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:41:03 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e05b795b-c378-4109-a28b-f794e319ab12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4802A836.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Maybe not a direct answer to the question but one worth keeping in mind for future reference: Keep an eye on op-shops that are known to carry 1970s stuff. There was a pahse in the early-1970s where chunky older style buckles were being matched up with crappy vinyl belts, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 20:59:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E0xFxY023728 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:59:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E0x9j9022912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E0whGf067747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E0wgLg052772; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E0wd8n052710 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so411431ugd.17 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.18 with SMTP id t18mr3082968ugg.80.1208134716213; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.8 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0804131758q1aa71e06l661ee577b64732b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:58:36 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <242120.84378.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <127559.61069.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <242120.84378.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] drafting/scaling corsets to size, was: Corset pattern 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36b40253-0246-47b8-a070-5b29b7f68e2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4802AC5D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DIET_1,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > This simple method about enlarging an existing pattern looks good, I gotta try it:-D It's maybe best to make the right proportions (width and height) in photoshop and then print it to the correct size. Or print it in a small size on an A3/A4 printer and let it be photocopied and enlarged. I've drafted up a pattern of the Effify corset, based on the photographs available at the time, and scaled up the 1880s corset in Corsets and Crinolines. I really recommend actually adjusting to height rather than width as this is going to be more likely to produce an adjustable pattern for your width. It's much harder to adjust appropriate breast and hip height than it is do add extra to seams (split the panels and add there, as there are so many seams in a corset it's easier to add only a little to each panel without greatly affecting the shaping. This is especially true the greater the difference between your girth vs height and the original girth vs height. The 1880s corset is now too short for my body as I've lost weight which has also dropped my waist which means I wiggle the corset down too far for the upper half to sit well. I've also now had to remove a little from the side panels and the front so that the corset sits close at the back as well as the front. When the bust is too big I find the back wants to close at the top but it then digs into flesh too much, it needs to fit closely without squishing over the bust;) I now suit an 1890s line of corset which is fairly close to what I have wound up making my alterations to my 1880s corset. I just know it fits well as it is apart from the adjustments to the upper half. Michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 13 21:32:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E1WDxu025171 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:32:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E1W7SJ004630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E1VcCU070210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E1VbVn072552; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E1VXeZ072507 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD7738068 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:34:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:34:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804132134.42217.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc82d6b7-ab3a-4077-ab84-4d056b7831fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4802B417.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:32:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 13 April 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Relaying a request from a friend: > > Can anyone recommend, ideally from personal experience, a good supplier of > medieval (say, 14th-15th c.) belts and/or buckles? My friend is familiar > with Revival Clothing, which sells Talbot's leather goods, but would like > to know his range of options before purchasing. I've never bought a belt from Raymond's Quiet Press, but I've bought other jewelry from him over the years, and can vouch for his courtesy, the quality of his goods, and the reasonableness of his prices. What follows are some sites I'm familiar with but, because I don't do 14th c costume, I've never dealt with personally or vetted. These people will actually do the assembly work for you; the catch is that their buckles, strap-ends and mounts are pewter: http://www.billyandcharlie.com/ Fettered Cock Pewters used to make up belts, but now they only sell strapends and buckles. I think theirs are pewter, too. http://www.fetteredcockpewters.com/page_belts.htm Other vendors include The Inner Bailey: http://www.theinnerbailey.com/belts.htm Jelling Dragon mostly sells Viking period stuff, but has a "Norman/medieval" belt option. Their fittings are bronze, and their prices higher: http://www.jelldragon.com/medieval_belts.htm I'm ignoring, of course, the places that sell "medieval ring belts", as though there were such a thing. :-) I wish your friend luck in finding what he needs! -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 01:43:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E5h4tE003473 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:43:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E5gwgR029992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:43:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E5gRg5085574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E5gOfk017591; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E5gKLZ017508 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W43 ([64.4.19.143]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:42:15 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.22.238] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:42:15 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2008 05:42:15.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BB049B0:01C89DF2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] D P STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42fd47f9-8a0f-4390-93db-057f831755bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4802EEE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:43:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It sounds like you do a very through job. I feel kinda new at this with only five years under my belt. I do all the reading steps, highlight for wardrobe descriptions and/or obvious needs that are in the script, track exits and entrances with time to change intervals and do a full spreadsheet for every character and their costume needs. I do have trouble getting time with the director and other section heads - i.e. props and set designer but so far I have been fortunate that there have been no big conflicts. I've learned to say "if it doesn't go through my sewing machine, I don't provide it". I second the "don't take measurements alone" but for a slightly different reason since I'm never really alone when taking measurements. My problem arose the morning after measuring a cast of 56 in a three hour period - up -down- up - down -up -well you get the picture. My quads were so sore for the next 5 days I could hardly walk, I just hobbled. You are never alone when there are so many helpful and knowledgeable people here on this list. I lurk a lot - I read this list almost every day and am constantly impressed and enlightened by the willingness of so many to share with all the rest of us. Thank you to everyone - those who ask and those who answer. Anniecat> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:57:21 -0500> From: achasedesign@peoplepc.com> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] D P STANDARDS> > To all who've addressed this question to date: Thank you all so much. I now don't 1) feel all alone 2) feel so abused.> > Here is some of how I do a design assignment or project:> > Read the script as early as possible, first for impression then for content> > Research the author, his era, the era of the play> > Read the script again for actions of characters> > Line by line read the dialogue for described, prescribed, and proscribed dress> > Take into account the stage directions and how or if they apply to the stage being used> > Assess each character's personality> > Talk to the director> > Prepare drawings for director's approval> > Check with set design on color, exits-entrances, any obstructions, need for particular set pieces ( coat rack, etc.)> > I do not costume actors; I design uniforms for characters (I do take into con! sideration any physical limitations of the actor)> > On this show I got the script the afternoon of auditions and was turned on my request for a meeting with director who said she didn't know what she yet and she'd get back to me - never happened.> > A starter for, not a standard, a precept to work by :never take measurements by yourself, always use a chaperone. If working with children do not use other children for this, always use an adult. Audy> > in the high boonies of Central Texas> > ________________________________________> PeoplePC Online> A better way to Internet> http://www.peoplepc.com> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 04:13:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E8DHQT005086 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:13:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E8DBln020428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:13:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E8CjJf092549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E8ChVP009051; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian3.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E8CdEU008937 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1973.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.184]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A01B341DF8 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48031280.4020808@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:14:56 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <136788.20050.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <136788.20050.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dbd34b0-5fb7-4011-8cb5-837c76fd34b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48031217.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:13:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. It almost felt like a theme park. But it is very beautiful. And way too much to see for just two days. German is not a problem for me. I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. Deredere Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 05:54:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3E9s89E022839 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:54:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3E9s3DH001043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:54:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3E9rVRP099335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E9rS8a075910; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3E9rQkG075861 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2079139wfa.23 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.53.14 with SMTP id b14mr854919wfa.332.1208166803331; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:53:23 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 411ef3db-09e2-429a-93b7-0f486de9450d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480329BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:54:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A dancer in my group is making a v-neck regency gown and is using the La Mode Bagetelle pattern. Has anyone here seen this version made up? She has told me there is a huge overlap. Without being able to see it, I can't see if this is designed to come out like the half robe in Janet Arnold or not. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 06:37:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EAbIXF027774 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:37:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EAbBVm018115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:37:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EAasH6002334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EAasxV003563; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EAap8Y003500 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce1.279a3cd8 (39952) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:36:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 790bdfa2-a816-4f85-a6d3-f85b528f9048 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480333D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:37:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2008 5:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, aylwengg@gmail.com writes: A dancer in my group is making a v-neck regency gown and is using the La Mode Bagetelle pattern. Has anyone here seen this version made up? She has told me there is a huge overlap I don't have the pattern in front of me. The only V necks I can confirm on dresses of this period are made with what we now call a surplice wrap front, a variation of the apron front or low stomacher front gown. That is, the bodice pieces lap over and form a V, and then the skirt is tied on over. I don't believe LMB is cut as a true stomacher front, is it? Ann Wass **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 07:52:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EBqJHc010236 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:52:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EBqEO2016480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:52:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EBppq8007913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EBpon3055178; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EBplnK055090 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c22.3377bc95 (39955) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:51:38 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 136 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6407b6d7-702b-4f25-82f9-77d68a70f3f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4803456E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Toby Whitty of The Silver Wyvern for buckles. Hand makes them all, and is excellent. Trained as a jeweller, and made my (medieval design) engagement ring. In a message dated 14/04/2008 06:43:44 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Relaying a request from a friend: Can anyone recommend, ideally from personal experience, a good supplier of medieval (say, 14th-15th c.) belts and/or buckles? My friend is familiar with Revival Clothing, which sells Talbot's leather goods, but would like to know his range of options before purchasing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 08:54:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ECsLuR013721 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:54:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ECsGuf026691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:54:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ECrp3s012761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ECrmSD001971; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3ECrjBg001850 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68354 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2008 12:53:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tzKm4nMVM1mMGe9HiTOEVqWOp_ax2Qw1iJ8DxGWnxRezn2RCFv9MUMj9EP8lX_hHmgpeTHBhfZr9K8SSKMKeOmZQfmFSIVeNoNLKBBNqeqi9T0GdQpNc0sZHsJLZeQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:53:40 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48031280.4020808@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <259226.66016.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895/Prague X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80076c95-194c-43f6-a3bc-7db09b1d2d65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480353F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:54:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ok, I'll go and have a look as soon as I get there:-) What a pity you missed that! I'm quite sure you'd find some interesting books there. Well, too late now. Just a message to all others: if you ever get to Prague, don't forget to visit this library! I'll be glad to help you all with finding it:-) Zuzana Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. It almost felt like a theme park. But it is very beautiful. And way too much to see for just two days. German is not a problem for me. I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. Deredere Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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(editor@netherton.net@75.40.63.148) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 14 Apr 2008 13:59:00 -0000 Message-ID: <48036323.4070308@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:58:59 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01dce7b6-5124-4e9b-8408-d54087629a64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803634E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks to all of you -- I'll pass these along to my friend. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 11:42:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EFg0In021105 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:42:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EFfsqB002702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EFfPZj033227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EFfNPo079352; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EFfJnT079265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JlQnr-0007N9-OH for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:41:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:41:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> Message-ID: References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4559e9bc-5d3f-467b-a99c-4261f3b68f93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48037B42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Fettered Cock, which others have recommended. Billy and Charlie's, which others have recommended. I would add Gaukler's Medieval Wares to that list: http://www.medievalwares.com/ for bronze belt hardware. He is extremely knowledgeable, and often his pieces are direct casts of originals in his collection. I would add some other notes on 14th c. belts--frequently the belt hardware *was* pewter. Much of the belt hardware in Dress Accessories, for instance, is various pewter alloys. Also, Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php although again, no leather, just the hardware. Tandy Leather for undyed belt blanks: http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/index.asp Yours, Jen/pixel/Margaret On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Relaying a request from a friend: > > Can anyone recommend, ideally from personal experience, a good supplier of > medieval (say, 14th-15th c.) belts and/or buckles? My friend is familiar with > Revival Clothing, which sells Talbot's leather goods, but would like to know > his range of options before purchasing. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 11:55:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EFtvog021999 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:55:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EFtlNV020905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EFtKWg034960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EFtJqT095706; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3EFtG6K095558 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEAG9TJA6AHMJJ for (sender ); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:54:16 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsstWTjmPZC3HsnNi8NKOznq0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NGRHBNX5; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:53:33 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20080414.085236.1380.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,9-10,12-16,18-64 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 24:12:3053474644 X-MAIL-INFO: 1c3871c1384859c148b5b54db56969495ca8d14d9d35357c75d9ed5cf8b9dc28f825ad983869b1e565e5002d19652d294500003c98ac0d25bd69e825ecacec09e81cecb19cb1e51955086c6535ec45080578e9bd4c118d6d4c58dc38a9d8d9dcd898987198b588bd7c9dbcb59df97581a9b93d99d1b931a905edb9dc18dcc90d2838dcccd86195dd69b118f191a1216d296d010c4c010c3c410c3c71a1f109acf98c5509b15d998cfcb1351925b17945cc21bc21651d3c2d0c2141 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f87185cb-c1d8-4574-9ba4-653035274cca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48037E83.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've used both Fettered Cock and Billie and Charlie's. Nice stuff. FC pieces are generally a bit heavier than B&C's. Excellent customer service from both, very nice work. Mark de Gaulker's work is stellar (he's a fellow An Tirian). He puts out a lot of jeweler's quality work as well, a little pricey at times but so worth it! Belt questions: I have a very nice long leather belt that I bought from one of our local merchants. I'm going to use saddle soap to soften it up, but it is quite stiff--is there anything else I can do, short of having my dogs chew on it? Also, how long would a medieval lady's belt be? I need to trim it but am unsure of how much to take off. Thanks! Arlys On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:41:07 -0500 (CDT) "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" writes: > > Fettered Cock, which others have recommended. > Billy and Charlie's, which others have recommended. > > I would add Gaukler's Medieval Wares to that list: > http://www.medievalwares.com/ for bronze belt hardware. He is > extremely > knowledgeable, and often his pieces are direct casts of originals in > his > collection. > > I would add some other notes on 14th c. belts--frequently the belt > hardware *was* pewter. Much of the belt hardware in Dress > Accessories, for > instance, is various pewter alloys. > > Also, Historic Enterprises: > http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php > although again, no leather, just the hardware. > > Tandy Leather for undyed belt blanks: > http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/index.asp > > Yours, > > Jen/pixel/Margaret > > > On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > Relaying a request from a friend: > > > > Can anyone recommend, ideally from personal experience, a good > supplier of > > medieval (say, 14th-15th c.) belts and/or buckles? My friend is > familiar with > > Revival Clothing, which sells Talbot's leather goods, but would > like to know > > his range of options before purchasing. > > > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 12:17:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EGHPV9022920 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:17:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EGHGIk003810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EGGY1O037823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EGGYvR022598; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EGGUtu022500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JlRM2-0002yL-HE for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:16:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:16:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080414.085236.1380.2.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: References: <20080414.085236.1380.2.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5a053aa-4251-43c4-9b1b-5a7d2f93a12b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4803838C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:17:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What time period of "medieval"? What are you wearing it with? Generally, length depends on whether or not you're tripping on it and what your socio-economic class is. The more money (or rank) you have, the longer and fancier your belt. The best thing I've found to soften leather is use, or you can treat it with mink oil and work it a lot. Or let your dogs chew on it, but then you'll have toothmarks. ;-) Jen/pixel/Margaret On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > I've used both Fettered Cock and Billie and Charlie's. Nice stuff. FC > pieces are generally a bit heavier than B&C's. Excellent customer service > from both, very nice work. Mark de Gaulker's work is stellar (he's a > fellow An Tirian). He puts out a lot of jeweler's quality work as well, a > little pricey at times but so worth it! > > Belt questions: I have a very nice long leather belt that I bought from > one of our local merchants. I'm going to use saddle soap to soften it up, > but it is quite stiff--is there anything else I can do, short of having > my dogs chew on it? > > Also, how long would a medieval lady's belt be? I need to trim it but am > unsure of how much to take off. > > Thanks! > Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 12:37:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EGbxLw023831 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:37:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EGbsq6019071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EGbUTV040398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EGbRb5055659; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3EGbOKD055480 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEAHCANAR2MQ6S for (sender ); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:36:28 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xsskapFdlo5FglFtcJIoLb4tY= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NGRKP4D7; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:35:17 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:34:47 -0700 Message-ID: <20080414.093448.3312.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-18,20-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2632186272 X-MAIL-INFO: 026dd01015e50d5915d4bdb161e9b115151df0753061a48d45a90dd42535ed X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f2a1879-27d7-4b31-be66-57c5a583ebd2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48038862.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:37:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:16:26 -0500 (CDT) "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" writes: > > What time period of "medieval"? What are you wearing it with? > Generally, > length depends on whether or not you're tripping on it and what your > > socio-economic class is. The more money (or rank) you have, the > longer and > fancier your belt. Early 1300's, England, upper middle class. Tripping bad. ;-) > The best thing I've found to soften leather is use, or you can treat > it with mink oil and work it a lot. Or let your dogs chew on it, but > then you'll have toothmarks. ;-) My husband suggested that I gum it (dentures, y'see), but retracted it when he saw the dirty look I gave him. ;) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 12:46:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EGkBd0024215 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:46:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EGjvXD029374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:46:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EGjTbY041303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EGjR3l065266; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EGjNjH065089 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:00 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03044CCC@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? Thread-Index: AcieS0NONmDdpLn+RPyqn8ef8Y/79gAA6EUQ References: <20080414.085236.1380.2.Cley@juno.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2008 16:47:00.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[29238DA0:01C89E4F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f9aa287-101f-4101-bcfd-e9291fc1e422 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48038A45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:46:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've found that neatsfoot oil works well, but some people worry about its effect on the longevity of the leather (or perhaps it's the longevity of the stitching). I'm going to use saddle soap to soften it up, > but it is quite stiff--is there anything else I can do, short of having > my dogs chew on it? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 13:29:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EHT3g4026333 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:29:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EHSvtB000847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EHSVWM046000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EHSVYY017906; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EHSSfl017700 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.231.154.97] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JlSTd-0002m2-TV for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:28:22 -0400 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080414.085236.1380.2.Cley@juno.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03044CCC@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:28:15 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <000001c89e54$ef6c1ae0$619ae704@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03044CCC@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcieS0NONmDdpLn+RPyqn8ef8Y/79gAA6EUQAAEbBCA= X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b57112039c628a9c6eb8e4aaa57a87f9ae84d0bc1d0d115f044f336350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.154.97 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d7129bb-57a3-4506-be32-672416375091 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48039459.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:29:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I normally just lurk but, this topic is right up my ally. I am a professional Dressage and Jumper rider/trainer and we deal a lot with having to condition leather. The reason some people do not want to use neatsfoot oil is because it WILL darken your leather and it will also come off on your clothing and permanently stain. You are right that it also affects the integrity of the stitching. A good saddle maker will recommend any clear or light oil for conditioning leather. The clearer the oil, the more pure it is. BTW--Baby oil works very well. You can also go to any Tack shop and look through their leather cleaning and conditioning supplies or go on line to Dover Saddlery or State Line Tack. Both of those have relatively good prices and will ship supplies to you from their on line shop. Diane Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belt query: was Source for medieval belts/buckles? I've found that neatsfoot oil works well, but some people worry about its effect on the longevity of the leather (or perhaps it's the longevity of the stitching). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 13:46:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EHkKZX027285 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:46:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EHkEga012957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:46:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EHh9YC047598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EHh9LR035899; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EHh5GY035724 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sigridkitty@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY129-W55 ([65.55.134.90]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.26.98.90] From: Sigrid Briansdotter To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:43:00 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2008 17:43:00.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB8D0BC0:01C89E56] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for medieval belts/buckles? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c424750f-2c8f-43e2-8671-90738a73ce2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48039866.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In addition to all the others mentioned, (Some of which I have frequented with pleasure.) I would also like to mention http://www.handelsgillet.se/baltesdetaljer.htm. They are in Sweden. I have not ordered belt bits from them before but have ordered a number of other items. They are very nice to work with. Just send them an email to order or ask questions. They read and write English with no problems. They take Paypal. (Oh and did I mention the reproduction weaves? http://www.handelsgillet.se/tyger.htm and for more detail on the patterned weaves http://www.handelsgillet.se/pl_sida/pers_sida.htm) Regards, Anne Marie Decker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 14:14:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EIE9Lm028637 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:14:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EIE4nI028118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:14:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EIDedd051080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIDcNo072723; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net (vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIDW2u072619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by vtl-post-03.bra.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JlTBL-0001zq-UO for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:13:32 +0100 Message-ID: <5DF8F371B2FD4D69A1692EF6D189D32F@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:11:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95be7d37-683b-4c71-8349-7b74b9096fe9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48039EEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe there is a slight overlap on this pattern, but not to the extent that there is in Janet Arnold. There are some pictures of the dress made up at GBACG in their Pattern Review. http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/la-mode-bagatelle.html (direct link the La Mode Bagatelle page on GBACG) Hope that helps Serena Dyer http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 14:22:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EIMqxh029013 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EIMklT025226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EIMPxa052094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIMNm3083157; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIMKsp083034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3EIMFCK027355 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:15 -0400 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JZB004MJV108S40@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:11 -0400 From: Kate Pinner In-reply-to: To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <006901c89e5c$75141790$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Acid8mOtmXXSSWp0TS6Wh9u9/xvzuwAaZyAg References: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5273 signatures=387400 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 274ad028-a748-4173-98d7-c000cfe2ffaf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4803A0F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This may have been discussed before, but I don't remember. What formulas do you use for blood and If the director wants it smeared on a costume (on stage), how do you get it off -- especially wool and or velvet? Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 14:39:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EId3Ep029790 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:39:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EIcvtF020586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EIc34L053586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIc3ww002176; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIbw7Y002053 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:38:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4034AB039A; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:35:47 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c89e5e$a6f83d20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcicRzvNV8bD3A3hRrOofogGFEEkdACFlPBA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4168177-32b0-4faa-ae95-2ccc0c1ba5aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803A4C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is why I feel regular production meetings are so important. At the first meeting, all the designers and the director get together and discuss the direction of the show re: design, style, etc. As soon as the show is cast, meet again and make any changes (if the leads won't look good in the original ideas, change them ASAP) Then meet every week until tech week. It keeps the director and producer from getting any surprises and you can let folks know if their expectations aren't going to be met because of budget/time/lack of help, etc. As to professional standards, if the director/producer changes my ideas so radically that I would be embarrassed to have my name on them, I do the job as asked (I'm assuming you're getting paid), but ask that I not be listed in the program as the designer, after all, if your designs have been altered, they aren't a good reflection of your abilities. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AVCHASE Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:46 PM To: h-costume posts Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last Thursday. And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very upsetting to me. The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's said that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some cast members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd just assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her agenda was different? So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by praise-forget faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overbearing, didn't listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions form the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days before dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time. The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact but were more conventional. Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's professional standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know if they are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and practitioners. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:00:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJ0B62030698 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:00:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJ0512006081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:00:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EIxXKv055859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIxVs3027871; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EIxRrI027730 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DU621Z01R0EPchoA507B00; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:57:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DWyi1Z00800zNUK8M00000; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:58:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CC4wHQvp1vEA:10 a=gAJIFeOXkM0A:10 a=K3e1NQirAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=IGnWuDTA-uGM6A-opLYA:9 a=L4wvONmfHl-TYxCA8SUA:7 a=xSAy6NagImOqaVXGTCCGjJygMPAA:4 a=oIl4PZae2W8A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <004701c89e5e$a6f83d20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <14934533.1207968376559.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004701c89e5e$a6f83d20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Message-Id: <136cf22ba77b4b2485dd5d1038c7b268@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:58:41 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c6c59de-1e4b-45e8-aa79-c3db41cffa6d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4803A9B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:00:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer. The director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted visualized by the costumes and I agreed it would be a good one, so I designed the show around that. The play only had 2 actors, one male, one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas. At that point, the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my ideas kind of flew out the window. It was a shopped show and one weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she liked, to bring back and show me. I was getting rather frustrated and disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters than I did through rehearsing their parts. I guess I've been in the business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been impossible if the costumes had been built. So I sympathize with you and your situation. Fortunately it hasn't happened very often that the actors want to design their own costumes. On one of the other plays I also designed last summer one actress asked for a different color fabric after I had already purchased it, but we had a big enough budget that I could do so. Several years ago I was draping a show that had cast an experienced Broadway actress who was of a "certain age" and the designer had to design 3 different possible outfits for her to approve before his designs were finalized, so I know this happens a lot in our industry. Sometimes the actors are right and have good ideas. Sometimes they are not and you have to do what it takes to please them, as I've found that directors usually bow to the actors, not the designer. Sylvia On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > This is why I feel regular production meetings are so important. At the > first meeting, all the designers and the director get together and > discuss > the direction of the show re: design, style, etc. As soon as the show > is > cast, meet again and make any changes (if the leads won't look good in > the > original ideas, change them ASAP) Then meet every week until tech > week. It > keeps the director and producer from getting any surprises and you can > let > folks know if their expectations aren't going to be met because of > budget/time/lack of help, etc. > As to professional standards, if the director/producer changes my > ideas so > radically that I would be embarrassed to have my name on them, I do > the job > as asked (I'm assuming you're getting paid), but ask that I not be > listed in > the program as the designer, after all, if your designs have been > altered, > they aren't a good reflection of your abilities. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of AVCHASE > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:46 PM > To: h-costume posts > Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > > Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last > Thursday. > And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very > upsetting to me. > The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's > said > that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some > cast > members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. > It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd > just > assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my > craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her > agenda > was different? > So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a > designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by > praise-forget > faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overbearing, > didn't > listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions > form > the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days > before > dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 > changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I > found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time. > The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact > but > were more conventional. > Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's > professional > standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know > if they > are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and > practitioners. Audy > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:38:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJc0cn032376 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:38:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJbr1g021890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EJZgdA060218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJZeqd070112; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJZbGj069943 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c58.29ea6494 (37544) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-nc15 (webmail-nc15.sim.aol.com [207.200.67.36]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB025-92a84803b1ff24a; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:27 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:27 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 63.228.155.130 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36012-STANDARD Received: from 63.228.155.130 by webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com (207.200.67.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:27 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA6C7DD38EC362-548-1F5B@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ffadb954-295d-4b6a-9916-f7e0f9ec4a57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803B292.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer.? The director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted visualized by the costumes and I agreed it would be a good one, so I designed the show around that.? The play only had 2 actors, one male, one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas.? At that point, the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my ideas kind of flew out the window.? It was a shopped show and one weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she liked, to bring back and show me.? I was getting rather frustrated and disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters than I did through rehearsing their parts.??? I guess I've been in the business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been impossible if the costumes had been built. This is why I continue to maintain that contemporary show are the most difficult to design.? Many cast members think they have a better idea than the designer.? And?many directors, wanting to please the actors in order to get the best possible performance out of them, will let the actors dictate to the designer what they want.? Which is why research and renderings are extremely valuable from the beginning of the process.? So it doesn't turn into "He said, she said" and one can produce the original ideas which were agreed on.? I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:42:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJgmwo032574 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:42:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJghmk024967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:42:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EJgIHW061059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:42:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJgHfg077415; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJgE9D077356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJgDa6008756 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:13 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20080414144213.pmzbhxh000co00gg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:13 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <8CA6C7DD38EC362-548-1F5B@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA6C7DD38EC362-548-1F5B@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1f8c1b4-5151-4de1-9858-d6ca47ccc3d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803B3B3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:42:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list. I, for one, am finding it fascinating, and a reminder of why I didn't persue theatre after high school. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:48:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJmNxr000327 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:48:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJmIY0019913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:48:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EJljt8061946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:47:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJlidK084274; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJlg7A084236 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2286316waf.3 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.58.1 with SMTP id g1mr4208404waa.179.1208202461838; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0804141247y3eb28e59t73fc39afb7dc867a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:41 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20080414144213.pmzbhxh000co00gg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA6C7DD38EC362-548-1F5B@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> <20080414144213.pmzbhxh000co00gg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 934c003c-426c-4057-86f7-05c3ddf855d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4803B502.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:48:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I too find this conversation interesting as it's part of theater I know nothing about. My daughter is in high school but has done some semi-legit theater and hopes to pursue it as a career. I don't act except as a recreationist and I make my own costumes under approval of a costume director. However, I've helped others with their community theater and have heard the stories. It seems that a contract really is the way to go. Lynn On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:42 PM, <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > > I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list. > > I, for one, am finding it fascinating, and a reminder of why I didn't > persue theatre after high school. > > Emma > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJr7kC000501 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:53:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJr103020931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:53:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EJqhFe062842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJqgm6090555; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJqdXT090503 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A58217C029E; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:50:26 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <006901c89e5c$75141790$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:52:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c89e69$1433c170$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acid8mOtmXXSSWp0TS6Wh9u9/xvzuwAaZyAgAANB3YA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <006901c89e5c$75141790$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 061680f9-60c0-44bd-afa7-feab25c1ea4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4803B61D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just get rid of the director. It's easier. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:22 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? This may have been discussed before, but I don't remember. What formulas do you use for blood and If the director wants it smeared on a costume (on stage), how do you get it off -- especially wool and or velvet? Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:54:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJsEPm000541 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:54:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJs86s023467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EJrn3N063090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJrmaK091926; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJrjoF091770 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W35 ([64.4.19.135]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:52:19 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.22.238] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:52:19 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2008 19:52:19.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C4E6C80:01C89E69] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b66cbf7-ce30-4ddf-97bb-d5c5b97951cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4803B661.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble.> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:27 -0400> From: cheryldee@aol.com> Subject: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards> > I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer.? The > director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal > process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted > visualized by the costumes and I agreed i! t would be a good one, so I > designed the show around that.? The play only had 2 actors, one male, > one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, > especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas.? At that point, > the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my > ideas kind of flew out the window.? It was a shopped show and one > weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she > liked, to bring back and show me.? I was getting rather frustrated and > disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did > appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters > than I did through rehearsing their parts.??? I guess I've been in the > business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been > impossible if the costumes had been built.> > > This is why I continue to maintain that contemporary show are the most difficult to design.? Many cast members think they have a! better idea than the designer.? And?many directors, wanting t! o please the actors in order to get the best possible performance out of them, will let the actors dictate to the designer what they want.? Which is why research and renderings are extremely valuable from the beginning of the process.? So it doesn't turn into "He said, she said" and one can produce the original ideas which were agreed on.? I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list.> > > Cheryl Odom> College of Santa Fe> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 15:55:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EJtKrD000591 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:55:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EJt8Wk000917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EJnQFl062501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJnK2W086655; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EJnHhI086487 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf1.25392560 (34909) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M38 (mblk-m38.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.82]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-885d4803b52d190; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:49:01 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:49:01 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 199.89.158.130 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: appin1@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36012-STANDARD Received: from 199.89.158.130 by MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.82) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:49:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA6C7FB7CF9FE8-F1C-2542@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1390571d-c4eb-46e6-955d-90baf1be61d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803B69D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have used this pattern for several Regency gowns. My advice is to have someone fit you carefully. The overlap is tricky and?I've had to take both bodices apart to refit them. Kathleen Norvell? -----Original Message----- From: Aylwen Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 5:53 am Subject: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? A dancer in my group is making a v-neck regency gown and is using the La Mode Bagetelle pattern. Has anyone here seen this version made up? She has told me there is a huge overlap. Without being able to see it, I can't see if this is designed to come out like the half robe in Janet Arnold or not. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 16:43:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EKhc0L007148 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:43:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EKhP1p018106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:43:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EKgoR3069166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKgl7G048383; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKgiB2048207 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A1C128C71 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:42:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4803CFC8.3060004@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:42:32 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <006901c89e5c$75141790$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> <001a01c89e69$1433c170$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <001a01c89e69$1433c170$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4117d7a4-0708-4c38-a0cf-ae09568f7bc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4803C1ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:43:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sharon Collier wrote: > Just get rid of the director. It's easier. :-) > > Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 16:45:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EKjCiO007208 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:45:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EKj7aO031700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:45:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EKikKF069353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKijVU050620; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKigqq050442 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DVTL1Z0030cZkys550Fz00; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:42:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DYkZ1Z0094jAXBL3W00000; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:44:35 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uU-tF2NyKSsA:10 a=dZLZAAqllIsA:10 a=rrGRv_mrUa6HoNzgO0UA:9 a=AyJ4QykLnj7JXawZcp2RzDwlH3wA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Margo Anderson Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4690ef42-55e7-467d-9a5d-233e5cdf6da1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803C253.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: > > This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that > not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear > from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern > period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period > plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than > others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology > and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - > this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have > her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble. I'm helping with costumes for my 6th grader's class play, which is set in Minoan era Crete. Not surprisingly, the teacher doesn't want historically accurate costumes. We're putting them in chitons. :) Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 16:53:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EKrG2x007446 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EKrAMu022398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EKqoSM070065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKqn7N062883; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKqjnc062690 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c5a.2c7c5ad9 (30737) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:52:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:52:32 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25d667dc-7a38-49b9-a48a-e293133b4bad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4803C436.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:53:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2008 3:01:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: as I've found that directors usually bow to the actors, not the designer. **************** And isn't it annoying. I want to just quit and let the actor do the whole show....see how she likes that. I'm tired of wardrobe being on the bottom rung of the ladder. [I hear it's not so much so in Europe, especially Britain] When is she gonna complain about the props or change the color of the wallpaper on the set? I don't mind actor's input....but I want the final decision to be mine if my name is on it. They don't hear me telling them how to read their lines, do they? This is why I ended up cutting and draping more than designing. The actual designer really appreciates what you do for them. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 16:57:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EKvkp8007651 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:57:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EKvfaX006114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:57:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EKvSQJ070650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKvRdC068355; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from swiftsure.concentric.com (swiftsure.concentric.com [207.155.252.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKvPN3068282 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by swiftsure.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id BC15C1539E; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.195) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080414205724.BC15C1539E@swiftsure.concentric.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d12889b3-956f-47ee-ae26-d71e166c6a50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803C545.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I ran into a copy of Moda de Firenze (the Italian Renaissance costuming book) at a Ren Faire this weekend. I was all set to add it to my collection but was shocked at the price. The last time I looked it was going for about $80 U.S. Yesterday it was priced at $148. Has this book really gone up that much in a year or two? Is there another less costly vendor? BTW, on a simiilar note, how much is Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd going for now? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 16:59:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EKxbJ8007700 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EKxEuf025855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EKx01e070839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKx0F4070180; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EKwv7X070012 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c13.2af5caf7 (30737) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:58:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1bd03a0-23bd-4d05-8144-e25f23664260 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4803C5A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:59:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2008 3:54:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, praxis_729@hotmail.com writes: I agree the modern period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period plays. *********** Yes! Modern dress is difficult, not only because any actor or actress thinks she can just go buy something, but also because everyone in the audience [and cast] knows all about the clothes and different garments speak huge volumes when they are new and fresh in everyone's minds. The wrong brand of sneakers or jeans can ruin an effect. Of course these two aspects.... the buying and the newness....are related. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. 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Re: V-neck regency gown? (Serena Dyer) > 2. Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? (Kate Pinner) > 3. Re: DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS (Sharon Collier) > 4. Re: DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS (Sylvia Rognstad) > 5. Director-designer professional standards (cheryldee@aol.com) > 6. Re: Director-designer professional standards > (00217146@bigred.unl.edu) > 7. Re: Director-designer professional standards (Lynn Downward) > 8. Re: V-neck regency gown? (appin1@aol.com) > 9. Re: Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? (Sharon Collier) > 10. Re: Director-designer professional standards (Paula Praxis) > 11. Re: Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? (Dawn) > 12. Re: Director-designer professional standards (Margo Anderson) > 13. Re: DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS (AlbertCat@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:11:37 +0100 > From: "Serena Dyer" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? > To: > Message-ID: <5DF8F371B2FD4D69A1692EF6D189D32F@SerenaPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I believe there is a slight overlap on this pattern, but not to the extent that there is in Janet Arnold. There are some pictures of the dress made up at GBACG in their Pattern Review. http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/la-mode-bagatelle.html (direct link the La Mode Bagatelle page on GBACG) > > Hope that helps > > Serena Dyer > http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:22:11 -0400 > From: Kate Pinner > Subject: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <006901c89e5c$75141790$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > This may have been discussed before, but I don't remember. What formulas do > you use for blood and If the director wants it smeared on a costume (on > stage), how do you get it off -- especially wool and or velvet? > > Kate > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:37:54 -0700 > From: "Sharon Collier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <004701c89e5e$a6f83d20$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > This is why I feel regular production meetings are so important. At the > first meeting, all the designers and the director get together and discuss > the direction of the show re: design, style, etc. As soon as the show is > cast, meet again and make any changes (if the leads won't look good in the > original ideas, change them ASAP) Then meet every week until tech week. It > keeps the director and producer from getting any surprises and you can let > folks know if their expectations aren't going to be met because of > budget/time/lack of help, etc. > As to professional standards, if the director/producer changes my ideas so > radically that I would be embarrassed to have my name on them, I do the job > as asked (I'm assuming you're getting paid), but ask that I not be listed in > the program as the designer, after all, if your designs have been altered, > they aren't a good reflection of your abilities. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of AVCHASE > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:46 PM > To: h-costume posts > Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > > Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last Thursday. > And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very > upsetting to me. > The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's said > that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some cast > members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. > It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd just > assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my > craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her agenda > was different? > So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a > designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by praise-forget > faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overbearing, didn't > listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions form > the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days before > dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 > changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I > found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time. > The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact but > were more conventional. > Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's professional > standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know if they > are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and > practitioners. Audy > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:58:41 -0600 > From: Sylvia Rognstad > Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <136cf22ba77b4b2485dd5d1038c7b268@ntw.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer. The > director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal > process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted > visualized by the costumes and I agreed it would be a good one, so I > designed the show around that. The play only had 2 actors, one male, > one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, > especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas. At that point, > the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my > ideas kind of flew out the window. It was a shopped show and one > weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she > liked, to bring back and show me. I was getting rather frustrated and > disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did > appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters > than I did through rehearsing their parts. I guess I've been in the > business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been > impossible if the costumes had been built. > > So I sympathize with you and your situation. Fortunately it hasn't > happened very often that the actors want to design their own costumes. > On one of the other plays I also designed last summer one actress asked > for a different color fabric after I had already purchased it, but we > had a big enough budget that I could do so. > > Several years ago I was draping a show that had cast an experienced > Broadway actress who was of a "certain age" and the designer had to > design 3 different possible outfits for her to approve before his > designs were finalized, so I know this happens a lot in our industry. > Sometimes the actors are right and have good ideas. Sometimes they are > not and you have to do what it takes to please them, as I've found that > directors usually bow to the actors, not the designer. > > Sylvia > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > > > This is why I feel regular production meetings are so important. At the > > first meeting, all the designers and the director get together and > > discuss > > the direction of the show re: design, style, etc. As soon as the show > > is > > cast, meet again and make any changes (if the leads won't look good in > > the > > original ideas, change them ASAP) Then meet every week until tech > > week. It > > keeps the director and producer from getting any surprises and you can > > let > > folks know if their expectations aren't going to be met because of > > budget/time/lack of help, etc. > > As to professional standards, if the director/producer changes my > > ideas so > > radically that I would be embarrassed to have my name on them, I do > > the job > > as asked (I'm assuming you're getting paid), but ask that I not be > > listed in > > the program as the designer, after all, if your designs have been > > altered, > > they aren't a good reflection of your abilities. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On > > Behalf Of AVCHASE > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:46 PM > > To: h-costume posts > > Subject: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > > > > Hi, All. The most recent show on which I worked opened last last > > Thursday. > > And over all its a good show. But some of the fallout has been very > > upsetting to me. > > The director invited me to do this show for her, her last show (she's > > said > > that for for the last three years), and I've done them. Each time some > > cast > > members have been down right vicious. This time was the worst. > > It occurred to me we expected different things as/from a designer. I'd > > just > > assumed they all understood that I only did these shows to practice my > > craft, keep my abilities in shape, and explore my ideas. Maybe her > > agenda > > was different? > > So I sent an email and asked what she had expected when she engaged a > > designer. She wrote back to me a very complimentary (damned by > > praise-forget > > faint) note about my design capabilities; but-said I was overbearing, > > didn't > > listen to the actress's ideas and was not willing to take suggestions > > form > > the actresses. The ideas and suggestions were put forth a few days > > before > > dress and production had gotten me no help for a small musical with 48 > > changes in it. Some very small; most changes are full costume though. I > > found I was being difficult when I said there just wasn't time. > > The worst part is that the changes weakened the visual dramatic impact > > but > > were more conventional. > > Now I want to write a little paper setting forth designer's > > professional > > standards. It isn't that I don't know what most are but I don't know > > if they > > are enumerated anywhere. Are they? Please help, both scholars and > > practitioners. Audy > > > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > > > ________________________________________ > > PeoplePC Online > > A better way to Internet > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:27 -0400 > From: cheryldee@aol.com > Subject: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <8CA6C7DD38EC362-548-1F5B@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer.? The > director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal > process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted > visualized by the costumes and I agreed it would be a good one, so I > designed the show around that.? The play only had 2 actors, one male, > one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, > especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas.? At that point, > the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my > ideas kind of flew out the window.? It was a shopped show and one > weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she > liked, to bring back and show me.? I was getting rather frustrated and > disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did > appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters > than I did through rehearsing their parts.??? I guess I've been in the > business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been > impossible if the costumes had been built. > > > This is why I continue to maintain that contemporary show are the most difficult to design.? Many cast members think they have a better idea than the designer.? And?many directors, wanting to please the actors in order to get the best possible performance out of them, will let the actors dictate to the designer what they want.? Which is why research and renderings are extremely valuable from the beginning of the process.? So it doesn't turn into "He said, she said" and one can produce the original ideas which were agreed on.? I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list. > > > Cheryl Odom > College of Santa Fe > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:42:13 -0500 > From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20080414144213.pmzbhxh000co00gg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > > I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list. > > I, for one, am finding it fascinating, and a reminder of why I didn't > persue theatre after high school. > > Emma > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:41 -0700 > From: "Lynn Downward" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <8296995c0804141247y3eb28e59t73fc39afb7dc867a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I too find this conversation interesting as it's part of theater I know > nothing about. My daughter is in high school but has done some semi-legit > theater and hopes to pursue it as a career. I don't act except as a > recreationist and I make my own costumes under approval of a costume > director. However, I've helped others with their community theater and have > heard the stories. It seems that a contract really is the way to go. > > Lynn > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:42 PM, <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > > > > I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list. > > > > I, for one, am finding it fascinating, and a reminder of why I didn't > > persue theatre after high school. > > > > Emma > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:49:01 -0400 > From: appin1@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <8CA6C7FB7CF9FE8-F1C-2542@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have used this pattern for several Regency gowns. My advice is to have someone fit you carefully. The overlap is tricky and?I've had to take both bodices apart to refit them. > > Kathleen Norvell? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aylwen Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 5:53 am > Subject: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? > > > > A dancer in my group is making a v-neck regency gown and is using the > La Mode Bagetelle pattern. Has anyone here seen this version made up? > She has told me there is a huge overlap. Without being able to see it, > I can't see if this is designed to come out like the half robe in > Janet Arnold or not. > Thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:52:32 -0700 > From: "Sharon Collier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <001a01c89e69$1433c170$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just get rid of the director. It's easier. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kate Pinner > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:22 AM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? > > > This may have been discussed before, but I don't remember. What formulas do > you use for blood and If the director wants it smeared on a costume (on > stage), how do you get it off -- especially wool and or velvet? > > Kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:52:19 -0700 > From: Paula Praxis > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble.> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:35:27 -0400> From: cheryldee@aol.com> Subject: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards> > I had a difficult situation with a play I designed last summer.? The > director didn't have much of a clue what he wanted before the rehearsal > process started but he did have one conceptual concept he wanted > visualized by the costumes and I agreed! i! > t would be a good one, so I > designed the show around that.? The play only had 2 actors, one male, > one female (The Last Five Years) and when rehearsals started, they, > especially the woman, started suggesting costume ideas.? At that point, > the director more or less submitted to their-mainly her--ideas and my > ideas kind of flew out the window.? It was a shopped show and one > weekend the woman even went to a store and bought some things she > liked, to bring back and show me.? I was getting rather frustrated and > disappointed by then but tried to go with the flow and I actually did > appreciate their input, since they knew more about their characters > than I did through rehearsing their parts.??? I guess I've been in the > business enough by now to know do this, although it would have been > impossible if the costumes had been built.> > > This is why I continue to maintain that contemporary show are the most difficult to design.? Many cast members think they have! a! > better idea than the designer.? And?many directors, wanting t! > o please the actors in order to get the best possible performance out of them, will let the actors dictate to the designer what they want.? Which is why research and renderings are extremely valuable from the beginning of the process.? So it doesn't turn into "He said, she said" and one can produce the original ideas which were agreed on.? I hope we're not boring the non-costume designers on this list.> > > Cheryl Odom> College of Santa Fe> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:42:32 -0600 > From: Dawn > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <4803CFC8.3060004@reddawn.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sharon Collier wrote: > > Just get rid of the director. It's easier. :-) > > > > > Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) > > > Dawn > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:01 -0700 > From: Margo Anderson > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: > > > > > This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that > > not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear > > from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern > > period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period > > plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than > > others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology > > and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - > > this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have > > her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble. > > I'm helping with costumes for my 6th grader's class play, which is > set in Minoan era Crete. Not surprisingly, the teacher doesn't want > historically accurate costumes. We're putting them in chitons. :) > > Margo > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:52:32 EDT > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 4/14/2008 3:01:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > as I've found that > directors usually bow to the actors, not the designer. > > > > **************** > > And isn't it annoying. I want to just quit and let the actor do the whole > show....see how she likes that. I'm tired of wardrobe being on the bottom rung > of the ladder. [I hear it's not so much so in Europe, especially Britain] > When is she gonna complain about the props or change the color of the wallpaper > on the set? > > I don't mind actor's input....but I want the final decision to be mine if my > name is on it. > They don't hear me telling them how to read their lines, do they? > > > This is why I ended up cutting and draping more than designing. The actual > designer really appreciates what you do for them. > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 138 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 17:11:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ELBUsB008083 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ELBOK9000657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EL6g73071673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EL6ge1079032; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from swiftsure.concentric.com (swiftsure.concentric.com [207.155.252.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EL6coK078961 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by swiftsure.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id CA0781539E; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.195) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:06:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080414210638.CA0781539E@swiftsure.concentric.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4616cde2-0f01-4038-883b-0d98710da189 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4803C87C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ---- wrote: > > This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that > > not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear > > from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern > > period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period > > plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than > > others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology > > and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - > > this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have > > her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble. > > I'm helping with costumes for my 6th grader's class play, which is > set in Minoan era Crete. Not surprisingly, the teacher doesn't want > historically accurate costumes. We're putting them in chitons. :) > > Margo Snicker, giggle. What, you mean they didn't want bare 6th grader boobies for their play? Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 17:12:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ELCXbk008110 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:12:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ELCPDF014311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:12:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ELC4OT072223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELC4rM085397; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELC1Mk085230 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JZC00MR72VN5G21@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:42 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <20080414205724.BC15C1539E@swiftsure.concentric.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6c344ba-c421-4d11-be4b-a9afd6d7a507 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803C8B9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:12:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ouch! Try Michael Shemansky Bookseller (online) for MdF. He usually includes shipping in his prices, I think. It is about $100 for the book and it was in his mostt recent catalogue. He KNOWS about us costumers. I told him of the book's popularity when he questioned me why so many people were asking about it. I plan to read it --again-- before the Janet Arnold Costume Collequium in Florence in November. QEWU is about $250 the last time I saw it advertised anywhere. Thet is a lot more scarce. Monica in NYC -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:57 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] book lust I ran into a copy of Moda de Firenze (the Italian Renaissance costuming book) at a Ren Faire this weekend. I was all set to add it to my collection but was shocked at the price. The last time I looked it was going for about $80 U.S. Yesterday it was priced at $148. Has this book really gone up that much in a year or two? Is there another less costly vendor? BTW, on a simiilar note, how much is Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd going for now? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 17:14:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ELEvef008195 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:14:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ELEqet002693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ELCTRj072306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELCSMr085938; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELCP1h085752 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:12:01 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m3ELC1H66433 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:12:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 14 Apr 2008 16:12:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:12:00 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: <48038248.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f467614-66eb-4583-af41-20342f9ff059 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4803C94C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This has been a great thread, so nice to know one is not alone in situations like this. I think one of the problems, especially in community theater, is that to often the costume designer is looked upon as sewing labor, not design talent. I started back doing a little theater a couple of years ago and found every production to be different. Communication is the key and I learned a lot every time, which meant the second time working with a particular director went a lot smoother :). I also learned not to take it to personally if I heard later through the grapevine that there was something specific they may have wanted that didn't get done, or done the way they might have preferred. Budget, and time, was often the critical crunch in these situations. I know I've been really lucky with most of the casts I've worked with too so I had fun. I'd probably do more except my hands just can't hold up anymore to the last minute push there always is to get everything done. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 17:16:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ELGYNV008263 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:16:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ELGTma016693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ELG9Nv072819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELG7ux090107; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELG3U4089944 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (asmtp010-s [10.150.69.73]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout013/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3ELFw3G003305 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (71-212-31-251.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.31.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp010/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3ELFug4024692 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2F622C95-8206-47F6-B789-B59B6F1FB8BC@mac.com> From: Agnes Gawne Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:15:35 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] V-neck regency gown? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f41b6496-4047-4e98-8f0d-3086de3a4b7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803C9AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:16:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This bodice completely overlaps. The pattern is a simulation of the "round gowns" that actually opened in the front but in this case only the illusion is created with the overlapping bodice, the designers made this design decision suspecting that most modern wearers would prefer the back opening. They made a lot of design decisions like that as they originally were making the pattern for their local Jane Austen society members, not costumers, per se. On Apr 14, 2008, at 11:00 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > A dancer in my group is making a v-neck regency gown and is using the > La Mode Bagetelle pattern. Has anyone here seen this version made up? > She has told me there is a huge overlap. Without being able to see it, > I can't see if this is designed to come out like the half robe in > Janet Arnold or not. > Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 17:25:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ELPUZC008563 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ELP8jD005648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ELNNNv073628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ELNMqZ097817; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:23:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3ELNJjJ097630 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96076 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2008 21:23:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Teu703AVM1l5lGiy8xbDomLOE42gmz2qc8kHjZqKpjdzM0FprM1lXjErrEVBTUqnhMAkuKAes4f7Vzsv_S7OVsB8ec6ifziT.rG9eUS_78wv5MM1s58- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:23:13 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <858169.95996.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2064805f-5407-4b0b-9ab3-cf1dcb6adba0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4803CBB4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(waddiejean@90.216.58.212 with plain) by smtp108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 21:40:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ekIQnzcVM1kvUDVZZ2hJ3Z2wVtyUIAfR1fKXjqnm__6XgtFJIc4mpz73gRjMF36cREtlsEbB_A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4803CF28.7080000@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:39:52 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c0f563b-c917-49aa-9490-b36723db598c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4803D04C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:44:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: > > >> This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that >> not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear >> from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern >> period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period >> plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than >> others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology >> and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - >> this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have >> her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble. >> > > I'm helping with costumes for my 6th grader's class play, which is > set in Minoan era Crete. Not surprisingly, the teacher doesn't want > historically accurate costumes. We're putting them in chitons. :) > > Margo > I went to a costume party as Ariadne when I was about 15 - my friends and I were all studying classics and reading Mary Renault... I did my best to do the skirt and a high, pointy belt (a bit Wonder Woman, really!) with a lined but gauzy bodice. It kind of gave the idea without giving anything away. When we visited Plimoth Plantation, I spoke to one of the Native American interpreters about how what she was wearing, as modern "traditional" costume, compared with what her predecessors would have worn in period. Her response was along the lines of "I'm way overdressed". Just another example of modern sensibilities getting in the way of accuracy - tut tut! ;-) Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 18:20:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3EMKsSM010545 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:20:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3EMKixc028887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:20:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3EMKPhp079435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EMKLtO057202; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3EMKIfN057079 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JlX24-0007Wp-Td for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:20:13 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: <15621489.1208211612857.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:20:12 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c9b521e1f795342df690ca7b60d35dbf9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd4f57d9-000c-4ba7-b764-83da383fe21a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4803D8BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:20:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Julie wrote: >I ran into a copy of Moda de Firenze (the Italian Renaissance costuming book) at >a Ren Faire this weekend. I was all set to add it to my collection but was >shocked at the price. The last time I looked it was going for about $80 U.S. \>Yesterday it was priced at $148. > >Has this book really gone up that much in a year or two? >Is there another less costly vendor? IIRC, what's out there now is a 2nd printing. Publishers seem to feel quite free to jack the price up when something is much more popular than they expected (as I think this was, and this definitely happened with QEWU) and they go into another printing when they didn't originally expect to. (To be fair, this may also have to do with having to gear up the press again, which may have gotten more expensive to run in the meantime, perhaps having to re-create some of the production files if they didn't save them, the increasing price of paper and so forth. It's not *just* the temptation of more profits...) ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 19:12:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ENCs5E012590 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:12:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ENCiNj004482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ENB7k9084279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ENB61Z004613; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3ENB3Xx004469 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEAH3C8ABFKVLA for (sender ); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:10:22 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssrRW/iCHuKilp5adQ6aj3xA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NGSAAH72; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:09:50 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <20080414.160846.1120.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-67 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 25:12:1904938610 X-MAIL-INFO: 564530ed30208d95208d31898d3110e98074f0e1bd49740de591bd250df9b1710d00116945d4454d5431a98d4589a1bde511957d350924f9a4913985c150d4a4b591d049a4d4a16d2459a4446da1c5c5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b676e85-7a60-4c43-a11a-d0584b36d3db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803E4EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:12:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO David Brown Book Company/Oxbow Books carries it too. I can't remember what they're currently charging. www.oxbowbooks.com Arlys On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:11:42 -0400 monica spence writes: > Ouch! Try Michael Shemansky Bookseller (online) for MdF. He usually > includes > shipping in his prices, I think. It is about $100 for the book and > it was in > his mostt recent catalogue. He KNOWS about us costumers. I told him > of the > book's popularity when he questioned me why so many people were > asking about > it. > > I plan to read it --again-- before the Janet Arnold Costume > Collequium in > Florence in November. > > QEWU is about $250 the last time I saw it advertised anywhere. Thet > is a lot > more scarce. > > Monica > in NYC > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Julie > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:57 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] book lust > > > I ran into a copy of Moda de Firenze (the Italian Renaissance > costuming > book) at a Ren Faire this weekend. I was all set to add it to my > collection > but was shocked at the price. The last time I looked it was going > for about > $80 U.S. Yesterday it was priced at $148. > > Has this book really gone up that much in a year or two? Is there > another > less costly vendor? > > BTW, on a simiilar note, how much is Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe > Unlock'd > going for now? > > Thanks > Julie in San Diego > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 19:39:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ENdfLR013809 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ENda78003417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ENc11x086596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:38:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ENbxhl032903; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ENbvIX032878 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1907618wxc.23 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.154.20 with SMTP id b20mr2012435wfe.166.1208216275754; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:37:55 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Trying to fix botched sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 204c50c6-b5ff-4ad3-83b3-2bd34b293ff6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4803EB38.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am trying to finish off some regency gowns that someone else started for me and never finished. I've just realised they put all the short puffed sleeves in back the front - the outer edge that should have a sleeve band on it is gathered to the armhole! Oh why people can't read patterns when they trace them out and draw the notches, I don't know!!! Do you think I can use them, and just gather them in? The dresses are all done and lined, and need to be worn on Friday, so I've run out of time to unpick them all. I've just hand sewn ribbon under all the busts to make them look pretty. I am so frustrated, I just never thought this had happened. Oh, and it is the sensibility pattern, and these are dresses that people will borrow from me if they don't have a dress to wear to the ball, and there are ten of them! Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 20:16:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F0G7rZ015643 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:16:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F0G1Pu031895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:16:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F0ENgq090210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F0EMYE062645; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F0EIl8062533 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bbb.254c4cd9 (34994) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-nc15 (webmail-nc15.sim.aol.com [207.200.67.36]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB017-88b24803f35012f; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:14:09 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:14:09 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 63.228.155.130 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36012-STANDARD Received: from 63.228.155.130 by webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com (207.200.67.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:14:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA6CA4C249C314-548-3C3E@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Blood in costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ba48804-89d7-472d-9ae4-08ebcc04014d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4803F3C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:16:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sharon Collier wrote: > Just get rid of the director. It's easier. :-) > >? Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) Dawn And a product to help you get the blood out of your clothes. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe BTW, If you can't convince your director you mean business, you might want to try Reel Blood which is easier to remove than any other blood product I've tried. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 21:20:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F1KGF0018124 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:20:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F1KAWu003303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F1IWSX094880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1IUgJ015784; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1IQum015649 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonmatchlock@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.83.87.77]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JZC00CJXE5HRDC0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:15:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:18:07 -0400 From: "David S. Mallinak" In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4804024F.3000903@verizon.net> Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making History Hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44385396-a40e-4321-b3c7-25621a6da99d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480402CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 21:28:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F1R1K7018358 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:27:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F1QtVa032490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F1PMqC095312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1PLMd021514; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:25:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1PH4Y021465 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A37D19F90024; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:23:09 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20080414205724.BC15C1539E@swiftsure.concentric.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:25:17 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c89e97$8ff3f7c0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080414205724.BC15C1539E@swiftsure.concentric.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciecepVP6wN6Rb9SuqPtTFbbVsu1QAI9dNQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ec1ab1f-d468-4f12-8aec-62969edb169b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4804045F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:26:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I got one used from Amazon Canada for under $100, if I remember correctly. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:57 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] book lust I ran into a copy of Moda de Firenze (the Italian Renaissance costuming book) at a Ren Faire this weekend. I was all set to add it to my collection but was shocked at the price. The last time I looked it was going for about $80 U.S. Yesterday it was priced at $148. Has this book really gone up that much in a year or two? Is there another less costly vendor? BTW, on a simiilar note, how much is Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd going for now? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 21:37:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F1bSBZ018672 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:37:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F1bNTp009573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:37:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F1Zt1v096227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1Zt50029805; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1Zp0F029753 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5F71A930024; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:33:43 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8CA6CA4C249C314-548-3C3E@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c89e99$095bb890$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CA6CA4C249C314-548-3C3E@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciejXFjH1hVkhHiQQ6eZH4rVXg3NAAC3sIw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood in costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db6322d0-821e-40b9-b86c-dc39744c4b76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480406D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:37:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Aniline dye. Less messy and appropriate, wouldn't you think? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of cheryldee@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:14 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Blood in costumes Sharon Collier wrote: > Just get rid of the director. It's easier. :-) > >? Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) Dawn And a product to help you get the blood out of your clothes. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe BTW, If you can't convince your director you mean business, you might want to try Reel Blood which is easier to remove than any other blood product I've tried. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 21:49:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F1ngLM019053 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:49:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F1nauh018375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F1m50b097066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1m5x1038694; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3F1m2sL038586 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 73735 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 01:47:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PRZGbMYVM1kDmvxeSdn8kSfF1yP_jhGBfSdfEhkHqKKiD5I.I9A0YLYP_PKXovXo_nHVX4ghc9dxL64lTCkj_piUmDzpn7E- Received: from [121.45.84.234] by web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:47:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <845052.73238.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6650dba0-c840-472e-b151-839a8c08b759 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 480409B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:49:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Amazon.com has it for $99.50 with free shipping to a US address. And yes, I am an Amazon associate and if you buy through the link below I will earn a couple of dollars towards the costs of running my website. :-) http://tinyurl.com/574xfy Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:57 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] book lust I ran into a copy of Moda de Firenze (the Italian Renaissance costuming book) at a Ren Faire this weekend. I was all set to add it to my collection but was shocked at the price. The last time I looked it was going for about $80 U.S. Yesterday it was priced at $148. Has this book really gone up that much in a year or two? Is there another less costly vendor? BTW, on a simiilar note, how much is Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd going for now? Thanks Julie in San Diego Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 21:52:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F1qMxs019167 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:52:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F1qGWv016522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:52:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F1jhZq096921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1jg8I036828; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F1jdk6036708 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JZC00H0BFJONBE1@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:45:24 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <4804024F.3000903@verizon.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making History Hip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2d59f2d-c808-4029-a621-f5d4caac3265 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48040A50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:52:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of David S. Mallinak Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making History Hip monica spence wrote: > Do you remember who made that DVD with the Highlander Flashbacks? I teach > fashion history and this would be SOOOOOO cool. My memory, after so many years, was a product of the production company. l. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 22:47:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F2lXF9020821 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F2lRiX003070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:47:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F2jjW5001361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F2jhKd081168; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F2jd80081120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F2jbbd016427 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:45:37 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20080414214536.xjo1nqyhc848ogsg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:45:36 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to fix botched sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 602c2fe9-5ff8-4bbc-957a-2f161b7c3553 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4804173F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not familliar with the pattern you're using, but since you have a limited amount of time, here's what I'd do: Take one dress and finish the sleeves as if they were done correctly: gather the edge into a band. Hold it up. Try it on, if it fits. See if it looks and hangs like a sleeve. See if it's good *enough.* I think it will be, but like I said, I'm not familliar with the pattern. (It may be more poufy at the bottom than the top, or vice-versa, but it may still work). Emma > I am trying to finish off some regency gowns that someone else started > for me and never finished. I've just realised they put all the short > puffed sleeves in back the front - the outer edge that should have a > sleeve band on it is gathered to the armhole! Oh why people can't read > patterns when they trace them out and draw the notches, I don't > know!!! > Do you think I can use them, and just gather them in? The dresses are > all done and lined, and need to be worn on Friday, so I've run out of > time to unpick them all. I've just hand sewn ribbon under all the > busts to make them look pretty. > I am so frustrated, I just never thought this had happened. Oh, and it > is the sensibility pattern, and these are dresses that people will > borrow from me if they don't have a dress to wear to the ball, and > there are ten of them! > Thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 23:26:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F3QCji021908 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F3Q6Uh020141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F3OcbX004716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F3OcLp099274; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F3OboZ099165 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1724592pyc.4 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.240.9 with SMTP id n9mr2074156wfh.79.1208229876804; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.21 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:24:36 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20080414214536.xjo1nqyhc848ogsg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080414214536.xjo1nqyhc848ogsg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to fix botched sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2608e6a9-f4f5-4758-97ff-57a375f89a62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4804204E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm thinking about putting in an elastic casing - being upside down, I don't know if the wearer will be able to move their arm or not with ease. Aylwen On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM, <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > > I'm not familliar with the pattern you're using, but since you have a > limited amount of time, here's what I'd do: Take one dress and finish > the sleeves as if they were done correctly: gather the edge into a > band. Hold it up. Try it on, if it fits. See if it looks and hangs > like a sleeve. See if it's good *enough.* I think it will be, but > like I said, I'm not familliar with the pattern. (It may be more > poufy at the bottom than the top, or vice-versa, but it may still work). > > Emma > > > > > I am trying to finish off some regency gowns that someone else started > > for me and never finished. I've just realised they put all the short > > puffed sleeves in back the front - the outer edge that should have a > > sleeve band on it is gathered to the armhole! Oh why people can't read > > patterns when they trace them out and draw the notches, I don't > > know!!! > > Do you think I can use them, and just gather them in? The dresses are > > all done and lined, and need to be worn on Friday, so I've run out of > > time to unpick them all. I've just hand sewn ribbon under all the > > busts to make them look pretty. > > I am so frustrated, I just never thought this had happened. Oh, and it > > is the sensibility pattern, and these are dresses that people will > > borrow from me if they don't have a dress to wear to the ball, and > > there are ten of them! > > Thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 23:26:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F3QoDF021932 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F3QetJ004470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F3PCgd004791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F3PCvv003250; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F3P8i8002813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3F3P8hV015521 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:25:08 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20080414.160846.1120.1.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fb58b74-a35a-4507-b2a0-3bffae85f28b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48042070.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:26:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > David Brown Book Company/Oxbow Books carries it too. I can't remember > what they're currently charging. > > www.oxbowbooks.com > > Arlys > David Brown's current listing if for $90 plus shipping (usually $5.00). You need this book. Grab it before it goes out of print and availability completely. It isn't going to get any cheaper to buy and borrowing it from the library, assuming you can get it at all is not the same. The museum is completely bemused at the way the book has been snapped up and not really ready for mass printings. Wanda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 14 23:36:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F3arT7022250 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F3akmD025697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F3ZJLo005595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F3ZJQS030463; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F3ZFNK030415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F3ZFxp020640 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:35:15 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20080414223515.txu01621340wcgog@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:35:15 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <20080414214536.xjo1nqyhc848ogsg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to fix botched sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17ac0578-1a93-4e4d-bdce-4da89cac1e8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480422CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:36:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It depends on the shape of the sleeve. Most short, puffed sleeves I've seen have had a large convex curve at the sleeve head and a smaller convex curve at the bottom. If put in upside down, the sleeve will stick out straighter (more like a T-shirt, less like a suit coat) which may actually allow *more* movement, not less. Elastic sounds like it might be a good compromise. Quoting Aylwen Garden : > I'm thinking about putting in an elastic casing - being upside down, I > don't know if the wearer will be able to move their arm or not with > ease. > Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 00:28:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F4SalX023891 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:28:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F4SUJD010068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:28:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F4R17m009630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F4Qx0f022171; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F4QuO4022035 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.200.115]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JZC004P3MTOWE40@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:23:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:25:19 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <049001c89eb0$b8a06050$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <845052.73238.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6adf8bf6-56ea-4033-94be-e288f6ade982 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48042EEE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:28:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Julie- A new copy of _Moda a Firenze_ is $99.50US; a new copy of _Queen Elisabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ is $165.00US. Best price according to www.addall.com right now is is $93.50US at Amazon, with free shipping for Moda, and the best deals on QEWU are from the UK, with Amazon UK at $158.74, including air mail shipping. Good luck book hunting. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 01:49:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F5ne5l026682 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:49:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F5nRfY027780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:49:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F5lmPK014048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F5ll2U074808; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F5liBt074754 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE69251A9 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:47:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from CPE-58-165-14-205.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-58-165-14-205.vic.bigpond.net.au [58.165.14.205]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:47:43 +1000 Message-ID: <1208238463.4804417fa8d98@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:47:43 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <8CA6CA4C249C314-548-3C3E@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA6CA4C249C314-548-3C3E@webmail-nc15.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood in costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e0ddaac-a5e9-48ca-9746-b89bc1d93027 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480441E7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:49:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) > And a product to help you get the blood out of your clothes. > BTW, If you can't convince your director you mean business, you might want to > try Reel Blood which is easier to remove than any other blood product I've > tried. Pig's blood holds it's colour longer than human blood (why horror movie sets smell so bad) which reminds me, pigs will eat all the body parts, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 01:52:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F5pxAh026783 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:51:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F5prT3006138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:51:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F5o0W9014197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F5o0bX076465; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F5nv4j076420 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5609172864 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:49:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from CPE-58-165-14-205.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-58-165-14-205.vic.bigpond.net.au [58.165.14.205]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:49:57 +1000 Message-ID: <1208238597.48044205cdf71@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:49:57 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <006901c89e5c$75141790$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> <001a01c89e69$1433c170$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <001a01c89e69$1433c170$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fake Blood--getting out of costumes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76d6462a-1e5b-4f25-a21b-386a7228ec1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48044279.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > This may have been discussed before, but I don't remember. What formulas do > you use for blood and If the director wants it smeared on a costume (on > stage), how do you get it off -- especially wool and or velvet? > Borax and eucalyptus or mild carpet cleaner, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 02:52:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F6qmhb017455 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:52:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F6qgtj030182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:52:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F6p2XD017409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F6oxta020288; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3F6oteZ020198 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 8648 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 06:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:50:49 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:50:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c89ecd$6adfb830$100d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AciezWnIpv1F3AK2RlqvdAdc38Xw7Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d59fc25-e127-436d-848d-06187ed39ed1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480450BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:52:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'm hunting a portrait online that I first found at the Tate - About 1548s, English, "Unknown Man" by an unknown artist (helpful, huh?) a youngish man in a fabulous red Tudor outfit open at the front to show a heavily blackworked shirt ... any help in finding him again, preferably online, would be greatly appreciated! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 02:53:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F6rYEo017601 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:53:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F6rSYN006822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:53:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F6q4P5017451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F6q4Bv020940; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F6q1hI020856 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.4.13.91]) by bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:51:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:51:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.20.99 by bl124fd.blu124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:51:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.116.20.99] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:51:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2008 06:51:55.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[312B8220:01C89EC5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] book lust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85eceda8-da1b-49bb-b872-e2d72b286e26 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480450E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:53:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >David Brown's current listing if for $90 plus shipping (usually $5.00). >You >need this book. Grab it before it goes out of print and availability >completely. It isn't going to get any cheaper to buy ... Actually, all these great imported books are seeing price increases whenever the U.S. distributors have to order more copies because the dollar is way low compared to euros. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 03:11:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3F7BV0I020559 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:11:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3F7BQDk014356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:11:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3F79sIc018276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3F79sYa032091; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3F79qmb032013 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90213 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 07:09:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z.Lhc9AVM1lbpzvi.YYcwYQRJ.RNRXaYvhSdqpziZsO9HK7fZETYILb5nw4vxq22.w-- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:09:47 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c89ecd$6adfb830$100d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <31436.89769.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f14f2dfa-d292-44f5-94db-2c036171d5d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4804551E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:11:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You mean this one? http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/UnknownMan19.jpg An Unknown Man by an Unknown Artist, c.1548. (The Royal Collection) But in color? I know I've seen it in color, I just don't remember where. Give me until tomorrow, or hopefully someone else has it, or knows where a better version is. And I checked the Royal Collection, and doing a quick search did not find it there online. Kimiko --- Frank A Thallas Jr wrote: > Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'm hunting a > portrait online that I first > found at the Tate - > About 1548s, English, "Unknown Man" by an unknown > artist (helpful, huh?) a > youngish man in a fabulous red Tudor outfit open at > the front to show a > heavily blackworked shirt ... any help in finding > him again, preferably > online, would be greatly appreciated! > > Liadain ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 07:18:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FBIB8x024685 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:18:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FBI5mj028836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FBGP7P039579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FBGMkh020843; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3FBGJbB020730 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42039 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 11:16:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zcQusUAVM1nwWL4eFY1bAr1U9aDD97WjtAzAW_JXEHvK9IsA3q4hhhXfMKSTQ2dLtlmNqKXdoA6bllR4xSUD9nDWJb1JZKI- Received: from [212.54.70.156] by web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:16:14 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <494618.41767.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 744c8054-7871-4456-90bd-57214f9f6fe0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48048EED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:18:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I would guess not, since the top of womens costume seems to be a shirt with a 1/4 bra thing, that pamela anderson is fond of, so that would definitely not go well with the parents and the local vicars ;-) Tania Margo Anderson wrote: On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: > > This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that > not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear > from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern > period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period > plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than > others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology > and am aware that slaves in the "real' ancient Egypt worked naked - > this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have > her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble. I'm helping with costumes for my 6th grader's class play, which is set in Minoan era Crete. Not surprisingly, the teacher doesn't want historically accurate costumes. We're putting them in chitons. :) Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 10:46:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FEk76Y001365 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:46:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FEjvex026726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:46:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FEiIP3058474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FEiF44025646; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FEiCUo025460 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d4a.28d50ab8 (37127) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-nf15 (webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com [207.200.67.79]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA021-91074804bf14360; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:43:32 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:43:32 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 63.228.155.130 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cheryldee@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36012-STANDARD Received: from 63.228.155.130 by webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com (207.200.67.79) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:43:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA6D1E36007A8F-C8C-671F@webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Blood/costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c38a24fd-02a2-4f37-a2da-0dadaff12ee0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4804BFA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) > And a product to help you get the blood out of your clothes. > BTW, If you can't convince your director you mean business, you might want to > try Reel Blood which is easier to remove than any other blood product I've > tried. Pig's blood holds it's colour longer than human blood (why horror movie sets smell so bad) which reminds me, pigs will eat all the body parts, I want to make it clear here that "Reel Blood" is a product.? I was not misspelling "real blood".? It's used a lot in the film industry because it is a good color for HD. It also works fine onstage and comes out of costumes better than any other product I've tried. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 11:10:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FFAd6J002955 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:10:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FFAYss027730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:10:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FF8tvK061923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FF8tvp056898; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FF8pt3056662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3FF8kms017441 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:08:46 -0400 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JZD00LR0GQJKB20@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:08:42 -0400 From: Kate Pinner In-reply-to: <8CA6D1E36007A8F-C8C-671F@webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <007c01c89f0a$97be4e60$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcifB2ivJGVQmoZCQZy2YnTJPwq1/gAAySMw References: <8CA6D1E36007A8F-C8C-671F@webmail-nf15.sim.aol.com> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5273 signatures=387400 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood/costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57a226d9-b484-4ff6-8e2d-a53d2428e6e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4804C56A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of cheryldee@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:44 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Blood/costumes > Only if you have friends to help you hide the body. :) And a product > to help you get the blood out of your clothes. > BTW, If you can't convince your director you mean business, you might > want to try Reel Blood which is easier to remove than any other blood > product I've tried. Pig's blood holds it's colour longer than human blood (why horror movie sets smell so bad) which reminds me, pigs will eat all the body parts, I want to make it clear here that "Reel Blood" is a product.? I was not misspelling "real blood".? It's used a lot in the film industry because it is a good color for HD. It also works fine onstage and comes out of costumes better than any other product I've tried. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 13:12:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FHC5vM008091 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:12:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FHBwec018789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:12:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FHAOUS076673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FHAMlx007741; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19xJ5rz2C0LjjxfF9QiALbIfL2azgTvJpw@mail8.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FHAJNQ007668 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3FHAJ38016873 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:10:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 6608 invoked by uid 80); 15 Apr 2008 17:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.40.63.148) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 15 Apr 2008 17:10:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4804E179.2090907@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:10:17 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4802806D.9010800@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c26b436f-baa3-43a9-890c-e4930ee8a778 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4804E1DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Once more I'm faced with a query way outside my own area of expertise, so I figured I'd see if you folks can give me some clues. For those of you who study Italian Renaissance: Who would you say are the best living scholars of Venetian dress, c. 1600, or, failing that, Venetian portraiture or art history of this era? By "scholars," I mean those with academic credentials, positions, or publications. In this case, the need is for someone to cite, not someone to make clothing. In other words, who do the historic-clothing-makers look to as the authorities here? Everyone I can think of is either deceased or working in earlier periods, alas. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 13:24:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FHONSD008595 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:24:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FHOGvn021819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:24:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FHMfnm078259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FHMcE1029753; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FHMY3t029635 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F1EF955499 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:22:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:22:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4804E179.2090907@netherton.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16b2ff0a-ef8a-4dee-8b85-af8c514de837 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4804E4C0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Perhaps you could ask Bella. This is her website http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/ At the bottom of the page there is a email button. She has the most extensive site on Venetian costume that I know of. Oonagh's site (Deborah Lane) comes in a good 2nd place. http://www.geocities.com/oonaghsown/index2.html contact at bottom of page. De -----Original Message----- Once more I'm faced with a query way outside my own area of expertise, so I figured I'd see if you folks can give me some clues. For those of you who study Italian Renaissance: Who would you say are the best living scholars of Venetian dress, c. 1600, or, failing that, Venetian portraiture or art history of this era? By "scholars," I mean those with academic credentials, positions, or publications. In this case, the need is for someone to cite, not someone to make clothing. In other words, who do the historic-clothing-makers look to as the authorities here? Everyone I can think of is either deceased or working in earlier periods, alas. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 13:30:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FHU6DU008822 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:30:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FHTtCJ025714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FHSM0b079016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FHSMNl039100; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.72.60]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3FHSI5u038887 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:28:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m_mc_nealy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69224 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 17:28:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gFeSLrUVM1nN1i0pjnPTpFY8irLfK73wywGN3MzhR6g40F9nHmiPiMt7KC1O2hmumwTux1rnzGpmZh8Lu.JPlOZBkp1FHUk- Received: from [72.218.228.224] by web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:28:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:28:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Marion McNealy To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <734727.68671.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d87bb1d1-7f0f-4ec4-9592-92cffda2de99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4804E613.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:30:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin, I'd recommend contacting Ann Rosalind Jones or Margaret F Rosenthal. They have a new book coming out in the Fall on Vecellio's Costume book, here are a few excerpts off of the Realm of Venus site. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/newvecellio.htm Ms. Jones is at Smith College, and Ms. Rosenthal is at USC. - Marion ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:10:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 Once more I'm faced with a query way outside my own area of expertise, so I figured I'd see if you folks can give me some clues. For those of you who study Italian Renaissance: Who would you say are the best living scholars of Venetian dress, c. 1600, or, failing that, Venetian portraiture or art history of this era? By "scholars," I mean those with academic credentials, positions, or publications. In this case, the need is for someone to cite, not someone to make clothing. In other words, who do the historic-clothing-makers look to as the authorities here? Everyone I can think of is either deceased or working in earlier periods, alas. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 14:14:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FIEITi010861 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:14:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FIEBKD023298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FICAmA084361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FIC7NA095351; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3FIC3fm095173 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 22579 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 18:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:11:57 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:11:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c89f2c$920b4a50$2a0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Aciex9BGYIFZZ+R/Qpyo/HEVecI8LQAZFhwg In-Reply-To: <31436.89769.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f2c8b3e-ab7b-49ea-94b2-b775b3ba3338 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4804F073.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes! That is exactly the right one! When I first saw him - probably 10 years ago, because he was the inspiration for the look of a blackworked shirt I entered in a Kingdom A&S - I found him in color - the black and white of the shirt was gorgeous against the red suit. Thanks! AT least I know I'm not completely crazy! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait You mean this one? http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/UnknownMan19.jpg An Unknown Man by an Unknown Artist, c.1548. (The Royal Collection) But in color? I know I've seen it in color, I just don't remember where. Give me until tomorrow, or hopefully someone else has it, or knows where a better version is. And I checked the Royal Collection, and doing a quick search did not find it there online. Kimiko --- Frank A Thallas Jr wrote: > Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'm hunting a > portrait online that I first > found at the Tate - > About 1548s, English, "Unknown Man" by an unknown > artist (helpful, huh?) a > youngish man in a fabulous red Tudor outfit open at > the front to show a > heavily blackworked shirt ... any help in finding > him again, preferably > online, would be greatly appreciated! > > Liadain ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 17:30:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FLU2nJ018429 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:30:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FLTuLw027460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:30:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FLSJYX008945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FLSCRD050872; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3FLS8B8050772 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200804152128.m3FLS8B8050772@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 27282 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2008 14:26:26 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26832, pid: 27279, t: 0.2361s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7e7uhQwgAAAA:8 a=0-S3j773H-rKY5Ql5W4A:9 a=YJDk_ut3VILnVfrhPhbF5yt4TMoA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 15 Apr 2008 14:26:26 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:24:57 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] On-line sale on silk and wool fabrics! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aeef4ee8-121e-4163-b9d0-ab0d1cbf1a99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48051E55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I received an email from Denver Fabrics about a sale on silk and wool fabrics. Here's the direct link to the sale fabrics: http://www.denverfabrics.com/Cart/catalog_items.aspx?Query=silk%207.00 Your friendly fabric stash facilitator, Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 19:05:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FN5Lnc022253 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:05:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FN5G7w024750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FN3cLg017212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FN3aaE055432; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3FN3WFT055294 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46927 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 23:03:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PhW553QVM1l4sBfJCaFhlABLDCm8fqu83Yeg42O9a2zbrdXsBuQj7wuBzUUEBhKYu01GEadVkNQWYgKiK_zoa6LtmMSVyCY- Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:03:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <663894.46267.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] "hammered silk?" (was: On-line sale on silk and wool fabrics!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bd5aef4-d1ff-455f-926e-7c3baa40dd35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480534AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:05:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can someone please tell me, what is hammered silk? Google isn't turning up a definition. Is it a process? If so, what is the base weave? Claudine ----- Original Message ---- From: Joan Jurancich To: h-costume@indra.com; margospatterns@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:24:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] On-line sale on silk and wool fabrics! I received an email from Denver Fabrics about a sale on silk and wool fabrics. Here's the direct link to the sale fabrics: http://www.denverfabrics.com/Cart/catalog_items.aspx?Query=silk%207.00 Your friendly fabric stash facilitator, Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 19:28:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3FNSKbJ022954 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:28:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3FNSFKq014253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:28:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3FNPjFa018797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3FNPjAO076361; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3FNPfFA076248 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:25:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 87170 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2008 23:25:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5DpfMWoVM1nbU5kAC.0zcnuuJp08yaa1h8Z5zM8jsPu00zYQhvRMD_K.AkzOgf5dfw4G7bIs3CQHcrDBc4XZhPIIgq9ob34- Received: from [72.141.220.93] by web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:25:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <59501.86912.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a2eb916-e03b-494a-b171-dad0107a379e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48053A0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:28:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin, Do you want *anyone* from anywhere in the world, or someone that can commun= icate in English? I have access to mitt loads of both, some of which don't = speak English and/or are working right in Venice. Kathy = It=92s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish= proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Kel= ler The difference between stupid and intelligent people - and this is true whe= ther or not they are educated - is that intelligent people can handle subtl= ety. They are not baffled by ambiguous or even contradictory situations. In= fact, they expect them and are apt to be suspicious when things seem overl= y straightforward. - Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" It's not who you are that holds you back, it's who you think you're not. - = Denis Waitley Once more I'm faced with a query way outside my own area of expertise, so I = figured I'd see if you folks can give me some clues. For those of you who study Italian Renaissance: Who would you say are the b= est = living scholars of Venetian dress, c. 1600, or, failing that, Venetian = portraiture or art history of this era? By "scholars," I mean those with academic credentials, positions, or = publications. In this case, the need is for someone to cite, not someone to = make clothing. In other words, who do the historic-clothing-makers look to = as = the authorities here? Everyone I can think of is either deceased or working in earlier periods, a= las. --Robin __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! = http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 20:59:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3G0xseQ025919 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:59:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3G0xhWN013759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:59:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3G0w3mO024807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G0w0cG050057; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3G0vvUw049935 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 98880 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2008 00:57:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z2yBI_oVM1lWKJ9fTPq23Vv3vWJ9Y6aiQTmmkG6z43uAk.lFf16AkhojhBIg37.PKH53nMXEf9aAtRGGQsvG6JQBBojrJMA- Received: from [72.141.220.93] by web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:57:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <982093.98225.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] drafting/scaling corsets to size, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fe07348-b563-4626-a886-60939f7ce5bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48054F7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Zuzanna, >I just wanted to post a question about what methods you use when drafting/= scaling corsets to size. Any way that works at the time. ;-) Generally speaking I create a proportio= nately close copy of the original I am working from based on the bust/waist= /hip measurement I am aiming for, create a toile, and start tailoring it in= from there. I try not to mess too heavily with the original silhouette, ho= wever. >a corset is designed to shape the body rather than to adjust to it. = Yes and no. It's primary purpose is bust support, then torso shaping. This = also depends on what era you are looking at, but I think the conversation i= s referring to the mid/late 1800's, so I won't confuse the issue. ;-) It's = only this era and onward that was more concerned with torso compression tha= n any other. = >I draft all patterns I make, but I still cannot draft a corset that would = achieve the period, not modern, figure. I mix and match my techniques. I am still a little queasy on drafting vic p= atterns, but georgian and older I can do without trouble. I always prefer d= rape drafting for later eras and flat patterning for the older ones, becaus= e they tend to be a little more geometric than later eras. When following a= specific era closely, you have to take into account the body type differen= ces and posture variations between the two, and accept you may have to make= allowance for the two in order for them to meet. It's just like the placem= ent of a shoulder seam - do you put it in the period correct place and have= it either fit funny or end up in a visually wrong place, or do you adjust= it to fit correctly and end up in the visually correct location on a moder= n body? = When I drafted this pattern (the one I posted is the same pattern I am usin= g for my current project) I had to make an allowance for difference between= the spoon busk used in the original in exchange for the flat busk I have a= vailable. So I had to nip a little here and there to flatten out the front,= but widen the side front to allow for the correct compression. I am still = working on the fit, I'll have to let you know how that goes. Literally in t= he middle of preparing to sew the fitting toile I got a call back for a job= (yayyyy!!) so my time has now been cut down significantly for projects suc= h as these. >It's maybe best to make the right proportions (width and height) in photos= hop and then print it to the correct size. If you can accomplish it, then go for it. I just couldn't be bothered fussi= ng with that formula listed on the pattern I posted. ;-) I, unlike Michaela= (sp? correct person?) prefer to draft to the width then length of the tors= o because to me, shortening something is much easier than having to second = guess the intended silhouette. Each to their own as long as it has the inte= nded end result. >So, may I ask, what methods do you use when making a corset pattern? If it= is not your trade secret, of course:-) nahhhhh.... I don't consider knowledge proprietary, really. ;-) Other inst= itutions have different ideas about this than I do, however... = Toile is most important - the test fitting should be providing some support= without the stiffening by the time you are finished fitting. The stiffenin= g material is simply designed to keep the garment from collapsing or shifti= ng during wear. It also helps take stress off seams under high tension. Thi= s is what provides the torso shaping when the fabric is restricted in stret= ch and movement. = Hopefully that makes sense, and if it did, that is was useful. :-) Kathy = It=92s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish= proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Kel= ler The difference between stupid and intelligent people - and this is true whe= ther or not they are educated - is that intelligent people can handle subtl= ety. They are not baffled by ambiguous or even contradictory situations. In= fact, they expect them and are apt to be suspicious when things seem overl= y straightforward. - Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" It's not who you are that holds you back, it's who you think you're not. - = Denis Waitley __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? 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(editor@netherton.net@75.40.63.148) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 16 Apr 2008 01:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: <480559CA.9050703@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:43:38 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <59501.86912.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <59501.86912.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 251ea203-9b5d-4e10-8cf9-b658d90b2988 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48055A2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:45:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kathy Page wrote: > Robin, > > Do you want *anyone* from anywhere in the world, or someone that can communicate in English? I have access to mitt loads of both, some of which don't speak English and/or are working right in Venice. Anywhere in the world, but must be English-fluent, which of course narrows things, I know. Thanks, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 21:46:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3G1kGMZ027332 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:46:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3G1kBHa002257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:46:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3G1ik9G027762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G1ikHH091605; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail30.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/4rG0C3J6vmCkaI6DCSP0Ak5HZvb8JwYo@mail30.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G1igGK091556 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail30.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3G1ifpK015204 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:44:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 30692 invoked by uid 80); 16 Apr 2008 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@75.40.63.148) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 16 Apr 2008 01:44:41 -0000 Message-ID: <48055A07.3050702@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:44:39 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <734727.68671.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <734727.68671.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d2c8496-2ebc-434d-8eb6-c944b0a45856 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48055A63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Marion McNealy wrote: > Robin, > I'd recommend contacting Ann Rosalind Jones or Margaret F Rosenthal. > They have a new book coming out in the Fall on Vecellio's Costume book, here are a few excerpts off of the Realm of Venus site. > http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/newvecellio.htm > > Ms. Jones is at Smith College, and Ms. Rosenthal is at USC. Good thoughts, thanks. They are both in language/literature but might do. Ideally I will find an art historian, so I'm still interested in names that come to people's minds. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 21:59:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3G1xhge027776 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:59:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3G1xbr3000414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3G1w7KB028734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G1w6CV002388; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3G1w3T1002284 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 22233 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2008 01:57:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y.J6LxAVM1mW7xtpjOc_JdeGx11T37T3pLTEiZxw893EYbR0I6_rcZsRsbWJeBNr1lc8Pum0R9I9GrLkU.4ACgpByxWoFwo- Received: from [121.45.84.234] by web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <28859.21818.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ae7db25-599c-4b75-bd9b-c0c93e0ba619 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48055D89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venice c. 1600 Ideally I will find an art historian, so I'm still interested in names that come to people's minds.<<<< Robin, How about Patricia Fortini Brown, art historian specialising in Venice, author of several books of which the best (in my opinion) is 'Private Lives in Renaissance Venice'. Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 15 22:39:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3G2dZwx029051 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:39:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3G2dTQj018938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:39:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3G2a8oU031289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G2a7cO032990; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G2a3Yl032928 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEA838068 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:39:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:39:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <663894.46267.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <663894.46267.qm@web53609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804152239.19445.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] "hammered silk?" (was: On-line sale on silk and wool fabrics!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a66a23e2-4dd2-48f5-9c87-2a530d87e680 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480566E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:39:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 15 April 2008, cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com wrote: > Can someone please tell me, what is hammered silk? Google isn't turning up > a definition. Is it a process? If so, what is the base weave? I've bought some. It's a shiny, lightweight silk, kinda like a charmeuse, except the surface looks as though it had a hammered metal finish. I have no clue what the base weave is. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 16 00:26:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3G4Q9JB002085 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:26:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3G4Q3vD021108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:26:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3G4OFeR038454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:24:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G4ODEp018914; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3G4OAm3018833 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82217 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2008 04:24:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bh7IgFEVM1nFtcsQ9_Cs9cpuuyFV87LtVmZKQb69D9Ez6YGhtJluL6YG0cNIYEFTI4kqUk6P8AiYIHXuQOoQIwTDLONUalg- Received: from [129.8.207.93] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:24:04 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c89f2c$920b4a50$2a0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <911420.81758.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5301ab86-1420-45c5-8571-9f7ed5c3c617 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48057FDB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:26:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, no luck on my end finding a color copy of him. I know I've seen one, although I may just be mixing the image with the color interpretation that is in the Tudor Tailor book in my mind. Good luck in your hunt. Kimiko --- Frank A Thallas Jr wrote: > Yes! That is exactly the right one! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 16 05:47:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3G9lsFx019710 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:47:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3G9ln7v004333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:47:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3G9k3TK057434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:46:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G9jxl3068896; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3G9jt0i068786 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cfb.2f0f059c (39952) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:45:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] "hammered silk?" (was: On-line sale on silk and wool fabrics!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cdb033d-5528-42f2-859a-e82e97fe10ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4805CB45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:47:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,PLING_QUERY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/15/2008 10:36:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: It's a shiny, lightweight silk, kinda like a charmeuse, except the surface looks as though it had a hammered metal finish. I have no clue what the base weave is. If it is shiny, it may very well be a satin weave. Ann Wass **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 16 09:17:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3GDHvG6007657 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:17:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3GDHpcE020458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3GDGK20071672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GDGGwU051145; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GDGFM6051039 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1440392wri.8 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr5202007rvo.65.1208351769516; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.74.10 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660804160616w40ef1ad7pf4f45a09a34818ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:16:09 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: HCostume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Need some help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9824863-728d-4917-9a7b-dc3121eb284c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4805FC7F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:17:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the process of cleaning up my sewing room I have "lost" something and I need some help finding it - or another copy of it. What I have misplaced is a photo of a contract between a needlewoman/silkworker and the woman that she took on as a student. The contract spells out all the skills and needle arts that will be taught to the student. It is dated sometime in the mid to late 1500s. I am in need of finding this list of skills again and pulling my hair out that the one thing I should misplace is the one thing I need. Any clues as to where to locate this photo again (I originally found it in a book) would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks all. Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 16 14:18:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3GII3u8021602 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3GIHvu1003041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3GIG7kD004287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GIG48N022724; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GIG10p022572 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:15:40 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m3GIFeJ33997 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:15:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 16 Apr 2008 13:15:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:15:39 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:15:34 -0500 Message-ID: <4805FBF6.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec860461-38f2-41a7-a10d-5f019a39e6fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 480642D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I love this portrait too :). The original is at Hampton court, or at least it was when I saw it there almost 23 years ago. It is almost a life-size painting. The entire outfit is red, as the version in Tudor Tailor is. It makes for a very unique contrast to the white shirt and blackwork embroidery. The only place I have seen a color copy of the portrait was on the cover of a costume & armor book. Sorry I don't have the title, it is home packed in a box somewhere. Catherine ************************** Yes! That is exactly the right one! When I first saw him - probably 10 years ago, because he was the inspiration for the look of a blackworked shirt I entered in a Kingdom A&S - I found him in color - the black and white of the shirt was gorgeous against the red suit. Thanks! AT least I know I'm not completely crazy! Liadain -----Original Message----- You mean this one? http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/UnknownMan19.jpg An Unknown Man by an Unknown Artist, c.1548. (The Royal Collection) But in color? I know I've seen it in color, I just don't remember where. Give me until tomorrow, or hopefully someone else has it, or knows where a better version is. And I checked the Royal Collection, and doing a quick search did not find it there online. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 16 14:34:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3GIYTq4022387 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:34:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3GIYLEa002156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:34:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3GIWqnx006182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GIWqiZ042765; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GIWntD042714 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EB13D3B290 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:32:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:32:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] "hammered silk?" 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Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:16 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait I love this portrait too :). The original is at Hampton court, or at least it was when I saw it there almost 23 years ago. It is almost a life-size painting. The entire outfit is red, as the version in Tudor Tailor is. It makes for a very unique contrast to the white shirt and blackwork embroidery. The only place I have seen a color copy of the portrait was on the cover of a costume & armor book. Sorry I don't have the title, it is home packed in a box somewhere. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 16 15:28:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3GJS5BM025457 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:28:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3GJRxg3013641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:28:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3GJPtu4012458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GJPqvD007476; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3GJPnk3007401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A53063B183 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:25:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:25:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4805FBF6.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56abb56e-c578-40e2-9274-f729b7a04ee4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4806533F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It makes for a very unique contrast to the white shirt and blackwork embroidery. The only place I have seen a color copy of the portrait was on the cover of a costume & armor book. Sorry I don't have the title, it is home packed in a box somewhere. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:52:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is this is? http://www.darvillsrareprints.com/Images/images/Shaw%20Dresses/earlofsurrey.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/4vzl8e It's listed there as the Earl of Surrey. MaggiRos --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I love this portrait too :). The original is at > Hampton court, or at > least it was when I saw it there almost 23 years > ago. It is almost a > life-size painting. The entire outfit is red, as the > version in Tudor > Tailor is. It makes for a very unique contrast to > the white shirt and > blackwork embroidery. > > The only place I have seen a color copy of the > portrait was on the > cover of a costume & armor book. Sorry I don't have > the title, it is > home packed in a box somewhere. > > Catherine > ************************** > Yes! That is exactly the right one! When I first > saw him - probably > 10 > years ago, because he was the inspiration for the > look of a > blackworked > shirt I entered in a Kingdom A&S - I found him in > color - the black > and > white of the shirt was gorgeous against the red > suit. > > Thanks! AT least I know I'm not completely crazy! > > > Liadain > > -----Original Message----- > You mean this one? > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/UnknownMan19.jpg > > An Unknown Man by an Unknown Artist, c.1548. (The > Royal Collection) > But in color? > > I know I've seen it in color, I just don't remember > where. Give me until tomorrow, or hopefully someone > else has it, or knows where a better version is. > > And I checked the Royal Collection, and doing a > quick > search did not find it there online. > > Kimiko > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 20 14:32:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3KIWbdL011920 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3KIWVgx010289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:32:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3KIUSeQ045048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3KIUQLc096373; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3KIUN5M096294 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from BryrRose@stx.rr.com) Received: from Fred ([68.206.139.101]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080420183018.CDFS28252.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@Fred> for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:30:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c8a314$9b1afe10$0302a8c0@Fred> From: "Cassandra Reedus" To: Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:30:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] newish costumer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2f4daf5-fc06-4f76-b7d9-c94bf1c97195 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480B8C3F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have been hired to do costumes one of a local community theatre's summer productions, and I've already talked to the director of the show and the executive director of the theatre. I know what they want and what my budget is going to be - auditions for the show are next weekend, so I don't know who I have to costume yet. I am going to be at the first read thru and would like to get measurements, sizes, etc. then if at all possible. Does anyone have a good form they use for that kind of thing? I have an idea but I'd like to look at other people's suggestions. Thanks in advance. Cassandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 20 17:53:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3KLrFYH020304 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:53:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3KLr9C3021278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3KLpYph060164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3KLpU3q042885; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3KLpQhj042777 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 14948 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 21:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:19 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c8a339$0bbf7820$5a0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <531559.87160.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acii/oXJAxTFQTgHT8mPqx2oco0/CQAOjAiw X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c6af9e1-9ece-46dc-b7f2-9a734a0311ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480BBB45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:53:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO How interesting - must be a print taken from a copy of the original. I've never seen that one before! They stayed very near to the original in color, though - isn't that a spiff outfit? Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait Is this is? http://www.darvillsrareprints.com/Images/images/Shaw%20Dresses/earlofsurrey. jpg or http://tinyurl.com/4vzl8e It's listed there as the Earl of Surrey. MaggiRos --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I love this portrait too :). The original is at > Hampton court, or at > least it was when I saw it there almost 23 years > ago. It is almost a > life-size painting. The entire outfit is red, as the > version in Tudor > Tailor is. It makes for a very unique contrast to > the white shirt and > blackwork embroidery. > > The only place I have seen a color copy of the > portrait was on the > cover of a costume & armor book. Sorry I don't have > the title, it is > home packed in a box somewhere. > > Catherine > ************************** > Yes! That is exactly the right one! When I first > saw him - probably > 10 > years ago, because he was the inspiration for the > look of a > blackworked > shirt I entered in a Kingdom A&S - I found him in > color - the black > and > white of the shirt was gorgeous against the red > suit. > > Thanks! AT least I know I'm not completely crazy! > > > Liadain > > -----Original Message----- > You mean this one? > http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/UnknownMan19.jpg > > An Unknown Man by an Unknown Artist, c.1548. (The > Royal Collection) > But in color? > > I know I've seen it in color, I just don't remember > where. Give me until tomorrow, or hopefully someone > else has it, or knows where a better version is. > > And I checked the Royal Collection, and doing a > quick > search did not find it there online. > > Kimiko > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 20 17:54:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3KLsE3r020351 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:54:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3KLs9b8027654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3KLqY6U060228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3KLqYjr043562; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3KLqVl4043474 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 15901 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 21:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:52:25 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c8a339$32df7db0$5a0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <531559.87160.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acii/oXJAxTFQTgHT8mPqx2oco0/CQAOpJCA X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7bd996b-2cb6-4305-9e3b-5aa73f9510a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480BBB81.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Whoops, dang it - meant to say "thanks", and definitely meant to trim! Sorry! Liadain Fingers faster than brain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a little OT - hunting a portrait Is this is? http://www.darvillsrareprints.com/Images/images/Shaw%20Dresses/earlofsurrey. jpg or http://tinyurl.com/4vzl8e It's listed there as the Earl of Surrey. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 21 02:54:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3L6sjnR028268 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:54:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3L6sWSi020722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3L6qrDT096930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3L6qoFM019226; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3L6qlQ0019125 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53607 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 06:52:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .XR5NpwVM1mhf.gmPEOsCXbpcLUOBM8Qy6NBajo4oJfydYWsjPbcYvhnV09_SbhIvy324FPnXw7bfGGIOmrcsogVEEVoPVc01m35BbrFkyRhpqv_jUABrPUp.JBgPcEKeg-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:52:41 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001b01c8a314$9b1afe10$0302a8c0@Fred> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <903672.53460.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] newish costumer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3a96d3e-0752-4e67-ab9d-24de4b319e8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480C3A28.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know whether I understood correctly, maybe I'm completely out of the point, but here is what I use for taking measurements. There are all measurements I usually need except for these rarely taken (wrist c., crotch depth,...). It has abbreviations used in Czech, so I wrote in the fields where the measurements should be written down the approximate translation. This form isn't really my idea, but it's taken from the Rundschau patterndrafting magazine with some alternations. It's a good help for me, no need to worry that you forget to take some measurement. There are also blank fields for you to fill in some extra measurements and a space on the right side to make drawings etc. Zuzana Cassandra Reedus wrote: I have been hired to do costumes one of a local community theatre's summer productions, and I've already talked to the director of the show and the executive director of the theatre. I know what they want and what my budget is going to be - auditions for the show are next weekend, so I don't know who I have to costume yet. I am going to be at the first read thru and would like to get measurements, sizes, etc. then if at all possible. Does anyone have a good form they use for that kind of thing? I have an idea but I'd like to look at other people's suggestions. Thanks in advance. Cassandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 21 11:22:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3LFMZgn014547 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3LFMQJM012110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3LFLl8O035695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3LFLiXS049314; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3LFLe7c049113 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:21:08 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id m3LFL8763488 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:21:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 21 Apr 2008 10:21:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:21:07 -0500 References: <200708271800.l7RI0ldk064269@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:21:01 -0500 Message-ID: <480C6A8D.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200708271800.l7RI0ldk064269@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Ballet Co. looking for Wardrobe Director X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29de291e-1d32-46af-be0e-26998c887cba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480CB132.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.92.1, clamav-milter version 0.92.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Just in case anyone here would be interested. Their website is here: http://www.kcballet.org/ Title: Wardrobe Director Reports to: Production Manager Description KC Ballet seeks motivated individual for the position of Wardrobe Supervisor. KCB produces three repertory shows in addition to Nutcracker and numerous special events. Responsibilities include: strategic planning and organization of the Wardrobe Department, preparation of dressing areas, load-in and strike of costumes for assigned productions, and maintenance of costumes and wigs for all performances. Time management, organizational, and problem solving skills sought. Salary commensurate with experience. Benefit packages includes health, dental, 403B. Ideal candidate will have strong overall skills in construction, cutting draping, stitching and fittings. Prior experience with dance is required. Start date July, 1 2008. Interested candidates should email cover letter and resume to ataylor@kcballet.org. Please no phone calls until after May 6. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 21 13:23:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3LHNEb6019674 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:23:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3LHN8DI008922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:23:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3LHHR54050927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3LHHOea007528; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3LHHLo3007343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinnerk@mccc.edu) Received: from mail01.mccc.edu (mail01.mccc.edu [198.133.170.202]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3LHHFBJ031651 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:17:15 -0400 Received: from pinnerkd620 ([172.16.85.131]) by mcccmail.mccc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JZO00BQ3QOO7T30@mcccmail.mccc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:17:13 -0400 From: Kate Pinner In-reply-to: <001b01c8a314$9b1afe10$0302a8c0@Fred> To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <012201c8a3d3$8aa36490$835510ac@WWC.MCCC.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcijFOLPaidlVZrCSwS/vPBF9VgougAuo3Gg References: <001b01c8a314$9b1afe10$0302a8c0@Fred> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.2.00 definitions=5277 signatures=388175 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] newish costumer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59a49b68-7457-467f-bb21-811238232148 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 480CCD7C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DIET_1,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The form I use most often is taken from The Costume Technician's Handbook. It has a separate form for male and female with a sketch to show you where the measurements are taken. Depending on the show, you may not need all the measurements. Start at the top-- Head (around and over the top ear to ear) Throat Neck Shoulder to shoulder , front / back Armseye to armseye - f/b Circumference of armseye Bicep Forearm Wrist Chest Midriff or underbust for female Waist (at navel for males) Hip bone and waist to hip bone for women Hips and waist to hip Thigh Above knee Below knee Calf Ankle Instep girth Arch Inseam --to below knee, to ankle, to floor Waist to below knee Waist to floor/ankle Neck to floor - frnt/bck/side Crotch -stride, girth, depth One shoulder length Shoulder to elbow Elbow to wrist Shoulder to wrist (not bent) Armpit to wrist Armpit to waist Mid-shoulder to waist Mid shoulder to chest level Top of shoulder to waist front/back Neck to waist front/back Bust tip to tip Across bust side to side Trace the foot on the back of the sheet Fill in the blanks for: Name, character, phone, email, date, height, weight, shoe, shirt (men), bra (women), tights, leotard, hand, hair color/length, etc. VERY IMPORTANT!!! Allergies!!! Space to note things like one shoulder obviously higher/lower; odd body shape (these notes are often my notes that I don't really share with the actor if I feel it might embarrass them. I try to remember to ask things like "Are you pregnant? Are you seriously losing/gaining weight? Lifting weights?" Remember that the 12 year old is going to grow between measurements time and opening night. Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cassandra Reedus Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 2:30 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] newish costumer I have been hired to do costumes one of a local community theatre's summer productions, and I've already talked to the director of the show and the executive director of the theatre. I know what they want and what my budget is going to be - auditions for the show are next weekend, so I don't know who I have to costume yet. I am going to be at the first read thru and would like to get measurements, sizes, etc. then if at all possible. Does anyone have a good form they use for that kind of thing? I have an idea but I'd like to look at other people's suggestions. Thanks in advance. Cassandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 21 16:06:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3LK61uX026432 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:06:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3LK5tIs013699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:05:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3LK5MOJ076821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3LK5IbY028486; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3LK5FNr028317 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58485 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 20:05:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Hnqf6F8VM1n.6epATms6eSbpCFWd34WmHG.bwTeN Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:05:09 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <903672.53460.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <159292.57515.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] newish costumer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02dcb29e-f114-46ea-924c-2b86903727f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480CF3A3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I use the form in Schultz & Winter's Elizabethan Costuming. It's pretty complete. MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 22 17:07:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ML7677005298 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:07:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ML70g2012575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:07:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ML6ENB040764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ML68Eu082073; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ML65Ou081937 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ML5wwQ009547; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <450A88F8-668A-456B-A955-703A5AFD7984@bovil.com> From: Andrew T Trembley To: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com, ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:05:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] OT-ish Seeking folks regarding the Thursday 4/24 pre-CC26 tour... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3221d515-b2ec-4fce-a114-41a10b8f940d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480E5374.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:07:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I received reservations for the following folks for the CC26 pre-con = Chocolate & Spirits tour, but haven't received a confirmation message = from them: Deborah Cardillo, Martin Harriman Renata O'Connor-Rose, Leah O'Connor, Patrick O'Connor (+2, yes we have = room for your +2) I still have some seats on the bus left. Tickets are $35/person, = leaving from the San Jose Doubletree at 9:45 AM on Thursday. = Convention members, of course, have priority to buy tickets, but if = I've got space I'll take other reservations. please send any reservation requests to fbtours@cc26.org. If you've = reserved and haven't received a note from me, it means I never got = your reservation; if that's the case (I beg the moderators = forgiveness) answer on-list to ensure that your mail isn't being eaten = by SPAM filters somewhere. andy Here's the original details: It's about an hour's trip to Berkeley, but it's worth it. Scharffen = Berger Chocolate Maker is a first-tier chocolate manufacturer, = starting with the raw beans and controlling every step in the process = of making the best small-batch chocolate in the country. After the = tour, we'll take lunch at Caf=E9 Cacao, right in the Scharffen Berger = factory. From lunch we'll continue the short jaunt from Scharffen Berger to = St. George Spirits, a cradle of craft-distilling in the US. Located at = the northwest end of Naval Air Station Alameda (a site familiar to the = fans of Mythbusters) in an old hangar, St. George Spirits is classic = Schwartzwald, Germany transplanted to California. Under the St. George = name, J=F6rg, Lance and their crew distill eaux de vie, liqueuers and a = superb single-malt whisky. Their recent Absinthe release rocked the = spirits world. They're also well-known for distilling the "Hangar One" = series of flavored vodkas. In a partnership with John Scharffenberger, = they produce "Qi" tea liqueurs and "Essence of Cacao" perfume. Taste = carefully. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 22 21:23:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3N1N2kM014050 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:23:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3N1MvmT004629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3N1MV3B061536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3N1MStq030500; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3N1MOjY030453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3N1MOq1003700 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:22:24 -0500 Received: from pcp063396pcs.unl.edu (pcp063396pcs.unl.edu [129.93.126.74]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:22:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20080422202224.o08d70xl28k40ok0@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:22:24 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <72adc2660804160616w40ef1ad7pf4f45a09a34818ca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660804160616w40ef1ad7pf4f45a09a34818ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Edwardian men's fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b25dc26a-5e8a-4337-bc9c-430f0715d87c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480E8F71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:23:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A friend of mine is interested in learning how to make Edwardian-style men's clothing, and I'm having trouble finding references to help him. All kinds of women's patterns, all kinds of dressmaking books, sure. But not men's clothing or tailoring. O, wise listmembers, can you help? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 22 21:38:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3N1cVD4014479 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:38:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3N1cQWF011389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3N1Vcdd062042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3N1Vcxe036738; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3N1VZQW036693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.241] (dial-209-148-100-241.sonic.net [209.148.100.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3N1VI3M030918 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:31:28 -0700 Message-ID: <480E9163.5000805@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:31:15 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <72adc2660804160616w40ef1ad7pf4f45a09a34818ca@mail.gmail.com> <20080422202224.o08d70xl28k40ok0@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080422202224.o08d70xl28k40ok0@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian men's fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dbfcc5f-1ff9-4425-b405-d2ba7dd65952 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 480E9312.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robb Shep reprints men's Victorian and Edwardian tailoring books. They are listed on his website, www.rlshep.com. Fran Grimble Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > A friend of mine is interested in learning how to make Edwardian-style > men's clothing, and I'm having trouble finding references to help him. > All kinds of women's patterns, all kinds of dressmaking books, sure. > But not men's clothing or tailoring. > > O, wise listmembers, can you help? > > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 22 23:40:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3N3e9sN018823 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:40:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3N3e3ib028740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:40:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3N3dcAk070276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3N3dZDQ029973; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3N3dVMP029843 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34825 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2008 03:39:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 72M983QVM1mPOmXdMiCXXq_LAh_uxmg0YXsOaKD64ul1HpPHaap5cK1Fsv1kFDUpJYeIaMEtm5xI88bzi1rly7D3o94SaGGOj2L_wRQ8.JjgWRZ5wtFRLOqVcRg- Received: from [64.148.45.225] by web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:39:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080422202224.o08d70xl28k40ok0@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <382577.34567.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian men's fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccae212d-8b7a-49d6-aa79-c30d27577715 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480EAF93.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:40:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Costumer's Manifesto--the Victorian and Edwardian sections of Costume History by Date have one each tailoring manuals. The Edwardian manual is aimed at men's tailoring. Yay for Tara McGinnis Ann in CT --- On Tue, 4/22/08, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > Subject: [h-cost] Edwardian men's fashion > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 9:22 PM > A friend of mine is interested in learning how to make > Edwardian-style > men's clothing, and I'm having trouble finding > references to help him. > All kinds of women's patterns, all kinds of > dressmaking books, sure. > But not men's clothing or tailoring. > > O, wise listmembers, can you help? > > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 23 15:09:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3NJ9scd018395 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:09:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3NJ9lIs015549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3NJ9IdL050080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NJ9Esw002631; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3NJ99qG002391 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86456 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2008 19:09:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vhyOBDYVM1lQpjMjYwn2Sid51qB6VA119v_rguelElY9G2X09sHOQ40uBAFVNEbt6OLm.MRf2mrTjzM3QKVb6mqLnc62u.s1SWtWiIlKiPSOcekiDsZ8bbfJXQA- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:09:04 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48031280.4020808@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <335831.84850.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c952b6dc-dedb-4fe7-bcdf-05fae685aad8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 480F897B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I'm sending this to all in case someone else might be interested: I finally got to copy some pages for you to see how approximately the books look, I found 4 useful ones, one from 1888, one from 1903, another from the beginning of the 20th century, but of an unknown exact date (1905-1910?), and one from 1911. The 1900s books will probably produce patterns for the S-curve shape, whereas the 1888 book will probably still keep to the victorian (larger belly etc) shape. So you have to decide which book would be the best for you. All books provide slopers and their modifications to various sorts of dresses and bodices, the 1911 book discusses quite nicely the various body shapes (large bust, hips etc) and gives for each one a different sloper. All books also contain information on skirts, sleeves and some other garments. I haven't studied them in detail, just glanced through, but I'd suggest the 1888 one for the earlier periods and the 1911 one for the later; the 19?? book is also looking good and maybe simpler then the 1911 (easier to follow). Here you can upload a pdf file with some pages: http://www.2shared.com/file/3190351/d47aeee4/antique_books.html just click on "Save file to your PC: click here" on the bottom. The file's too big to put on my small site. Copying one A4 page costs about $0,16. The books usually have about 150-200 pages. I could then send the copies to you by mail (could be expensive) or scan them - that would cost less, as I would keep the physical copies, which would be unfair - so we would kind of share, as I am also planning to have the books copied for myself. I repeat that copying the books for study reasons in the library is officially allowed. So, if you or someone else's interested, tell me and we'll discuss the details. Zuzana Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. It almost felt like a theme park. But it is very beautiful. And way too much to see for just two days. German is not a problem for me. I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. Deredere Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 23 15:15:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3NJF7Hv018592 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:15:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3NJEfpv022413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3NJEF8e050710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NJEDeE008620; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3NJE92g008429 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:14:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28884 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2008 19:14:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DAHbQRYVM1lwqChpFMVjoIDWvBzfPGq.pt0Mc1h04AnYSVlja88ZTTggF7yJnAV7g.TfMS7iXkWpoUGZ23gymRq1WJJIywEj9BqqA8rFQINSiBTUyEiGR0umlBw- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:14:04 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20080422202224.o08d70xl28k40ok0@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <533808.28654.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian men's fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6328f30-4298-4ce5-bf6e-170b4ad036d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 480F8AA1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:15:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Or the library of the museum of decorative arts in Prague keeps some drafting books for men's clothing (maybe more than for women's clothing). In my post for "book question 1895" I sent a link to a pdf file with examples of antique drafting books for women's dress. The men's dress books this library owns are a similar kind of thing. Zuzana 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: A friend of mine is interested in learning how to make Edwardian-style men's clothing, and I'm having trouble finding references to help him. All kinds of women's patterns, all kinds of dressmaking books, sure. But not men's clothing or tailoring. O, wise listmembers, can you help? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 23 15:39:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3NJdwoR020141 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:39:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3NJdqJK025028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3NJdJtm053570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NJdItC038543; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NJdEVd038473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.155] (dial-209-148-98-155.sonic.net [209.148.98.155] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3NJcUGw000894 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:38:55 -0700 Message-ID: <480F902C.8020106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:38:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <335831.84850.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <335831.84850.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 211afd35-c2fa-4844-9418-c03dda7d4f0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 480F9088.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's a kind offer, but hard on Americans who do not read the language the books are in. However, there are many similar English and American books. They are often books that were also published in other languages and countries, because Victorian and Edwardian pattern books were often translated and published, with or without attribution to the original author. I have many such books in my personal library. I even once bought a book in Armenian from a Turkish seller on eBay, because I did not have any books in Armenian in my pattern book collection and expected all kinds of interesting designs. In fact, it turned out to be a plagiarism of a French manual I already owned. Such books of tailor's drafting patterns are available on the used book market, on eBay, in American public and college libraries, etc. I've collected them for over 30 years. I've never counted them, but I have at least some hundreds, as I own about 5,000 books on costuming. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sending this to all in case someone else might be interested: > > I finally got to copy some pages for you to see how approximately the books look, I found 4 useful ones, one from 1888, one from 1903, another from the beginning of the 20th century, but of an unknown exact date (1905-1910?), and one from 1911. > The 1900s books will probably produce patterns for the S-curve shape, whereas the 1888 book will probably still keep to the victorian (larger belly etc) shape. So you have to decide which book would be the best for you. > > All books provide slopers and their modifications to various sorts of dresses and bodices, the 1911 book discusses quite nicely the various body shapes (large bust, hips etc) and gives for each one a different sloper. All books also contain information on skirts, sleeves and some other garments. > > I haven't studied them in detail, just glanced through, but I'd suggest the 1888 one for the earlier periods and the 1911 one for the later; the 19?? book is also looking good and maybe simpler then the 1911 (easier to follow). > > Here you can upload a pdf file with some pages: > > http://www.2shared.com/file/3190351/d47aeee4/antique_books.html > > just click on "Save file to your PC: click here" on the bottom. The file's too big to put on my small site. > > Copying one A4 page costs about $0,16. The books usually have about 150-200 pages. I could then send the copies to you by mail (could be expensive) or scan them - that would cost less, as I would keep the physical copies, which would be unfair - so we would kind of share, as I am also planning to have the books copied for myself. > > I repeat that copying the books for study reasons in the library is officially allowed. > > So, if you or someone else's interested, tell me and we'll discuss the details. > > Zuzana > > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... > I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... > What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. > It almost felt like a theme park. > But it is very beautiful. > And way too much to see for just two days. > > German is not a problem for me. > I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. > I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. > > Deredere > > > Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >> In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. >> >> Zuzana >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 23 15:41:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3NJfWRJ020202 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:41:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3NJfJt7005593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3NJerBT053808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NJeqCd040429; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NJema0040366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.155] (dial-209-148-98-155.sonic.net [209.148.98.155] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3NJeHbD011990 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:40:43 -0700 Message-ID: <480F9098.3000800@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:40:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <335831.84850.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <335831.84850.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d983b7d-8adc-48c5-8200-c766be18a591 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 480F90DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's a kind offer, but hard on Americans who do not read the language the books are in. However, there are many similar English and American books. They are often books that were also published in other languages and countries, because Victorian and Edwardian pattern books were often translated and published, with or without attribution to the original author. I have many such books in my personal library. I even once bought a book in Armenian from a Turkish seller on eBay, because I did not have any books in Armenian in my pattern book collection and expected all kinds of interesting designs. In fact, it turned out to be a plagiarism of a French manual I already owned. Such books of tailor's drafting patterns are available on the used book market, on eBay, in American public and college libraries, etc. I've collected them for over 30 years. I've never counted them, but I have at least some hundreds, as I own about 5,000 books on costuming. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sending this to all in case someone else might be interested: > > I finally got to copy some pages for you to see how approximately the books look, I found 4 useful ones, one from 1888, one from 1903, another from the beginning of the 20th century, but of an unknown exact date (1905-1910?), and one from 1911. > The 1900s books will probably produce patterns for the S-curve shape, whereas the 1888 book will probably still keep to the victorian (larger belly etc) shape. So you have to decide which book would be the best for you. > > All books provide slopers and their modifications to various sorts of dresses and bodices, the 1911 book discusses quite nicely the various body shapes (large bust, hips etc) and gives for each one a different sloper. All books also contain information on skirts, sleeves and some other garments. > > I haven't studied them in detail, just glanced through, but I'd suggest the 1888 one for the earlier periods and the 1911 one for the later; the 19?? book is also looking good and maybe simpler then the 1911 (easier to follow). > > Here you can upload a pdf file with some pages: > > http://www.2shared.com/file/3190351/d47aeee4/antique_books.html > > just click on "Save file to your PC: click here" on the bottom. The file's too big to put on my small site. > > Copying one A4 page costs about $0,16. The books usually have about 150-200 pages. I could then send the copies to you by mail (could be expensive) or scan them - that would cost less, as I would keep the physical copies, which would be unfair - so we would kind of share, as I am also planning to have the books copied for myself. > > I repeat that copying the books for study reasons in the library is officially allowed. > > So, if you or someone else's interested, tell me and we'll discuss the details. > > Zuzana > > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... > I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... > What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. > It almost felt like a theme park. > But it is very beautiful. > And way too much to see for just two days. > > German is not a problem for me. > I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. > I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. > > Deredere > > > Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >> In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. >> >> Zuzana >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 23 16:21:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3NKLkMn022555 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:21:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3NKLXKw000475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:21:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3NKL87n058327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NKL6G4086902; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:21:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3NKL3rB086731 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 43267 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2008 20:20:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HRFyxN8VM1luasZaK05vVe6WsXEu6bNWIuocI6wzn9m3fxdw8FW9jxjNe5w88RBHqg-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:20:58 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <480F902C.8020106@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <198469.41432.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e6beeb6-4dd7-4508-ac3d-26130dbe8fb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 480F9A4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO *My eyes glued to the screen* If I ever dreamed about something, it was to own so many costume books. I'd never think there were 5 000 books on costuming! I'm sure if I ever got to your library, I would be the happiest person on the earth:-D Unhappily, a student as I am can have only few of such books...Well, who knows how many books will I have in 30 years? :-D Zuzana Lavolta Press wrote: It's a kind offer, but hard on Americans who do not read the language the books are in. However, there are many similar English and American books. They are often books that were also published in other languages and countries, because Victorian and Edwardian pattern books were often translated and published, with or without attribution to the original author. I have many such books in my personal library. I even once bought a book in Armenian from a Turkish seller on eBay, because I did not have any books in Armenian in my pattern book collection and expected all kinds of interesting designs. In fact, it turned out to be a plagiarism of a French manual I already owned. Such books of tailor's drafting patterns are available on the used book market, on eBay, in American public and college libraries, etc. I've collected them for over 30 years. I've never counted them, but I have at least some hundreds, as I own about 5,000 books on costuming. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sending this to all in case someone else might be interested: > > I finally got to copy some pages for you to see how approximately the books look, I found 4 useful ones, one from 1888, one from 1903, another from the beginning of the 20th century, but of an unknown exact date (1905-1910?), and one from 1911. > The 1900s books will probably produce patterns for the S-curve shape, whereas the 1888 book will probably still keep to the victorian (larger belly etc) shape. So you have to decide which book would be the best for you. > > All books provide slopers and their modifications to various sorts of dresses and bodices, the 1911 book discusses quite nicely the various body shapes (large bust, hips etc) and gives for each one a different sloper. All books also contain information on skirts, sleeves and some other garments. > > I haven't studied them in detail, just glanced through, but I'd suggest the 1888 one for the earlier periods and the 1911 one for the later; the 19?? book is also looking good and maybe simpler then the 1911 (easier to follow). > > Here you can upload a pdf file with some pages: > > http://www.2shared.com/file/3190351/d47aeee4/antique_books.html > > just click on "Save file to your PC: click here" on the bottom. The file's too big to put on my small site. > > Copying one A4 page costs about $0,16. The books usually have about 150-200 pages. I could then send the copies to you by mail (could be expensive) or scan them - that would cost less, as I would keep the physical copies, which would be unfair - so we would kind of share, as I am also planning to have the books copied for myself. > > I repeat that copying the books for study reasons in the library is officially allowed. > > So, if you or someone else's interested, tell me and we'll discuss the details. > > Zuzana > > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... > I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... > What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. > It almost felt like a theme park. > But it is very beautiful. > And way too much to see for just two days. > > German is not a problem for me. > I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. > I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. > > Deredere > > > Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >> In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. >> >> Zuzana >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 23 16:34:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3NKY5jm023136 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:34:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3NKXxmq007251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:34:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3NKXi52059713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NKXgfT099943; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3NKXdB7099887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.98.155] (dial-209-148-98-155.sonic.net [209.148.98.155] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3NKX1T5032723 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: <480F9CF6.2070803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:32:54 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <198469.41432.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <198469.41432.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b8bed7c-1edb-4e57-a628-4284cbe4d907 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 480F9D37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I'd never think there were 5 000 books on costuming! > I'm sure if I ever got to your library, I would be the happiest person on the earth:-D Unhappily, a student as I am can have only few of such books...Well, who knows how many books will I have in 30 years? :-D > > Zuzana > > Lavolta Press wrote: It's a kind offer, but hard on Americans who do not read the language > the books are in. However, there are many similar English and American > books. They are often books that were also published in other languages > and countries, because Victorian and Edwardian pattern books were often > translated and published, with or without attribution to the original > author. I have many such books in my personal library. I even once > bought a book in Armenian from a Turkish seller on eBay, because I did > not have any books in Armenian in my pattern book collection and > expected all kinds of interesting designs. In fact, it turned out to be > a plagiarism of a French manual I already owned. > > Such books of tailor's drafting patterns are available on the used book > market, on eBay, in American public and college libraries, etc. I've > collected them for over 30 years. I've never counted them, but I have > at least some hundreds, as I own about 5,000 books on costuming. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm sending this to all in case someone else might be interested: >> >> I finally got to copy some pages for you to see how approximately the books look, I found 4 useful ones, one from 1888, one from 1903, another from the beginning of the 20th century, but of an unknown exact date (1905-1910?), and one from 1911. >> The 1900s books will probably produce patterns for the S-curve shape, whereas the 1888 book will probably still keep to the victorian (larger belly etc) shape. So you have to decide which book would be the best for you. >> >> All books provide slopers and their modifications to various sorts of dresses and bodices, the 1911 book discusses quite nicely the various body shapes (large bust, hips etc) and gives for each one a different sloper. All books also contain information on skirts, sleeves and some other garments. >> >> I haven't studied them in detail, just glanced through, but I'd suggest the 1888 one for the earlier periods and the 1911 one for the later; the 19?? book is also looking good and maybe simpler then the 1911 (easier to follow). >> >> Here you can upload a pdf file with some pages: >> >> http://www.2shared.com/file/3190351/d47aeee4/antique_books.html >> >> just click on "Save file to your PC: click here" on the bottom. The file's too big to put on my small site. >> >> Copying one A4 page costs about $0,16. The books usually have about 150-200 pages. I could then send the copies to you by mail (could be expensive) or scan them - that would cost less, as I would keep the physical copies, which would be unfair - so we would kind of share, as I am also planning to have the books copied for myself. >> >> I repeat that copying the books for study reasons in the library is officially allowed. >> >> So, if you or someone else's interested, tell me and we'll discuss the details. >> >> Zuzana >> >> >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... >> I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... >> What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. >> It almost felt like a theme park. >> But it is very beautiful. >> And way too much to see for just two days. >> >> German is not a problem for me. >> I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. >> I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. >> >> Deredere >> >> >> Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >>> In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. >>> >>> Zuzana >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:35:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sure, if you count every aspect of it, every historic era, various languages, anthologies of periodicals, etc. Fan Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > *My eyes glued to the screen* > If I ever dreamed about something, it was to own so many costume books. I'd never think there were 5 000 books on costuming! > I'm sure if I ever got to your library, I would be the happiest person on the earth:-D Unhappily, a student as I am can have only few of such books...Well, who knows how many books will I have in 30 years? :-D > > Zuzana > > Lavolta Press wrote: It's a kind offer, but hard on Americans who do not read the language > the books are in. However, there are many similar English and American > books. They are often books that were also published in other languages > and countries, because Victorian and Edwardian pattern books were often > translated and published, with or without attribution to the original > author. I have many such books in my personal library. I even once > bought a book in Armenian from a Turkish seller on eBay, because I did > not have any books in Armenian in my pattern book collection and > expected all kinds of interesting designs. In fact, it turned out to be > a plagiarism of a French manual I already owned. > > Such books of tailor's drafting patterns are available on the used book > market, on eBay, in American public and college libraries, etc. I've > collected them for over 30 years. I've never counted them, but I have > at least some hundreds, as I own about 5,000 books on costuming. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm sending this to all in case someone else might be interested: >> >> I finally got to copy some pages for you to see how approximately the books look, I found 4 useful ones, one from 1888, one from 1903, another from the beginning of the 20th century, but of an unknown exact date (1905-1910?), and one from 1911. >> The 1900s books will probably produce patterns for the S-curve shape, whereas the 1888 book will probably still keep to the victorian (larger belly etc) shape. So you have to decide which book would be the best for you. >> >> All books provide slopers and their modifications to various sorts of dresses and bodices, the 1911 book discusses quite nicely the various body shapes (large bust, hips etc) and gives for each one a different sloper. All books also contain information on skirts, sleeves and some other garments. >> >> I haven't studied them in detail, just glanced through, but I'd suggest the 1888 one for the earlier periods and the 1911 one for the later; the 19?? book is also looking good and maybe simpler then the 1911 (easier to follow). >> >> Here you can upload a pdf file with some pages: >> >> http://www.2shared.com/file/3190351/d47aeee4/antique_books.html >> >> just click on "Save file to your PC: click here" on the bottom. The file's too big to put on my small site. >> >> Copying one A4 page costs about $0,16. The books usually have about 150-200 pages. I could then send the copies to you by mail (could be expensive) or scan them - that would cost less, as I would keep the physical copies, which would be unfair - so we would kind of share, as I am also planning to have the books copied for myself. >> >> I repeat that copying the books for study reasons in the library is officially allowed. >> >> So, if you or someone else's interested, tell me and we'll discuss the details. >> >> Zuzana >> >> >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: I wish I knew that just a few day's earlier... >> I just got back from Prague. But missed the museum.... >> What a tourist place, even Amsterdam isn't as touristic as Prague. >> It almost felt like a theme park. >> But it is very beautiful. >> And way too much to see for just two days. >> >> German is not a problem for me. >> I'll be interested in any 1895 patterns. >> I would be very happy if you would want to look and copy some things for me. >> >> Deredere >> >> >> Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >>> In the museum of decorative arts in Prague there is a library that holds some old fashion books, and there are also a few from the end of the 19th century, one or two, I don't remember exactly, are very good drafting manuals. It's some time ago that I've searched these books through, so I don't really remember the dates these books were from and the language (though I think it was always German). But if you were interested, I could go and have a look. They photocopy any books you like. I don't think that the copyright is a big deal here, because the books have no living author any more (what a surprise) and all photocopies are to be used for study and non-commercial use. >>> >>> Zuzana >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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(You may have to talk with us directly at the con, since both directors will be arriving at the con on Thursday.) Thanks! Eleanor Farrell & Shelley Monson CC26 Historical Masquerade Directors histmasq@cc26.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 00:04:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3O44uwL007507 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:04:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3O44pox030281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:04:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3O44KDf094271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:04:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O44GoY004525; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O44DKr004495 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Josgt2Xyc-00060v; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:02:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18AEr0C70SIP4PGT8tICVcYjMRGO9mR3/GuXT9 lvv9yOGgUOMpLev0+4QqnGqHt7oz3cA7FuyGNAg577DFH1GCuO y5ywcC5HoaZdShT6VCDxw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 140b7b2c-96d7-4452-8a90-f0fbebfff528 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481006E3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:04:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you are! About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? What was your most recent purchase? What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Do you have a room devoted to your collection? When did you start collecting? Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? How many sewing patterns do you own? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 01:25:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3O5PSqh009681 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:25:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3O5PN5m025609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:25:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3O5JoXH098087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O5JnXM057924; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O5Jkph057891 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0262438068 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:23:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:23:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804240123.31708.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eccb50c2-9a9c-4af9-afab-b1a3cfcbb358 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481019C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:25:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 24 April 2008, Penny Ladnier wrote: > This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you > are! > > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Oh, dear God, I can't begin to estimate. I could count, but that would take some time and it's late at night. It has to be over 300, based on the shelf space they take up. > > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Don't remember anymore. Really. > What was your most recent purchase? NESAT IX. > > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when > purchasing a publication? Getting a copy of Margareta Nockert's book on the Hogom find for less than $10 USD (about $20 total, when shipping was taken into account). > > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Don't know exactly how to answer this--do you mean actual antique photos or photos reproduced in books, or both. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, > you would take it with you. Tough question; there are more than a dozen I'd hate to lose. Probably either my copy of "Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe", my copy of NESAT II, or Hald's "Ancient Danish Textiles", as they were the most expensive to get and would be the hardest to replace. > > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a > collection! I have two of the Iris Brooke books on European costume; those are the worst by far. > > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? No, but then my house doesn't lend itsself to that. > > When did you start collecting? Probably sometime in the mid-1990s--before then, I didn't know of good sources to obtain the types of costume-related books in which I'm most interested. > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Pleasure. I do not do costume-related research as part of my job and I don't sew well enough to sell my work. > > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? Only one, an inexpensive Kenmore my husband bought me for my birthday about 5 years ago to replace an ageing Kenmore from the 1970s. > > How many sewing patterns do you own? About 20, most of which I likely will never use again. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 01:38:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3O5cNPR010032 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:38:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3O5bvPQ006511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:38:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3O5binr098993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O5bic4069827; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O5beGM069780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JotDF-0001aO-QT for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Message-ID: References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ae2cbbb-e1fa-438c-8095-4b84d17a2ae1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48101CB5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:38:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Penny Ladnier wrote: > This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you are! > > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Um. That depends on what you consider costume related. I have books on gothic sculpture that are costume-related, Also I'm a dilettante and I have books on all sorts of things from cake decorating to calligraphy. But probably over a hundred at least. I'd have more but I keep buying fabric. > > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Hmm. I honestly don't remember. Probably one of the horrid Dover editions, though. > > What was your most recent purchase? Costume-related? A remaindered book on Florentine art from B&N. > > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? The ABEGG book Textile Conservation and Research, bought used from Germany for less than the new purchase price used to be, including shipping. The post office counter guy was very amused that I was bouncing up and down while waiting for him to fetch my package from the back. ;-) > > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Mostly I do 12th and 13th century, so, no photographs. A handfull of manuscript facsimiles, though. > > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. Oh gods. Either the aforemetioned ABEGG book or my facsimile of the St. Louis Psalter. > > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Norris. Kohler. Braun & Schneider. > > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? I have a research library. Catalogued LoC, even. > > When did you start collecting? Seriously? About ten years ago or so. > > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Most definitely pleasure. The cake decorating books are for business. > > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? 5. Two reasonably new Viking Husqvarna low-end machines, both less than 10 years old, Mom's c. 1970 Kenmore, a newish Kenmore quilter's machine (same age as first Viking), and an aged Stradivaro that I have been able to find no information on but it will sew through anything and very very fast. It scares me. > > How many sewing patterns do you own? > Purchased patterns, maybe 4 or 5. Since I do medieval costuming and it's all rectangles and triangles, I just have sketches and measurements for that. And I have managed to lose entire bolts of fabric in my sewing shelves before. :-) Jen/pixel/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 01:50:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3O5oWFx010414 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:50:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3O5oRgX011606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:50:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3O5o7AX099693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O5o6mr078348; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O5o3v1078308 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JouLK0a78-0005qT; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:50:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:48:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18HEgRG0jINkilxO7E3vR1ZtdIffy7TLl4KNMD pCMQCqO+3GXP5Ad+MUpgx6Z4ToJWo9Cx0oFJMcn79mHmIx2T+5 5huFp4q/O3q4DdBvNGXsQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92cd595a-e906-4031-9483-6ad1ab87bfc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48101FA3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:50:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Photograph question: Antique photographs and/or of antique costumes. I would like to add one more question: Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, etc. We won't tell your mate! LOL! You don't have to name give the title, just in case you were taken to the cleaners on a purchase. Example: a book and the amount. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 02:53:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3O6rWxB000709 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:53:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3O6rQko007086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:53:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3O6qtft003002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O6qrFB026124; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O6qokV025987 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W12 ([64.4.19.112]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.22.238] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:52:45 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2008 06:52:45.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCC9D470:01C8A5D7] X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28c62d56-894d-435b-8311-da239872fcac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48102E66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:53:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > From: penny@costumegallery.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:02:42 -0400> Subject: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own> > This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you are!> > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? I have at least 100 counting hard & soft cover.> > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? My first books were "Tom Tierney" paper doll books for their colors and details. > > What was your most recent purchase? A Janet Arnold "Patterns of Fashion - 1660 - 1860"> > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? This is the one I can't really answer. I'm not a very good bargin hunter when it comes to books. Fabric? That's a different story!> > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Only two outside my publications - my oldest son gave them to me all beautifully framed. Hand colored prints from the 1860's.> > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. That's easy - all my Janet Arnold books.> > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Most likely the Dover publication with CD.> > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? My books are all over the house, but they do have a special bookcase in my sewing area.> > When did you start collecting? I didn't think about it as 'collecting' but one day I realized I had lots of books and reference magazines.> > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Definately pleasure! :-)> > Optional questions:> > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? I have 4 - an old Kenmore that is only for my granddaughter to use; A Pfaff 7570 I bought about 10 years ago after I killed my Singer that I had had since college; a Viking serger and newest is a beautiful new Pfaff Creative Vision which my husband gave me for Christmas and I'm still learning stuff on it week by week.> > How many sewing patterns do you own? > Maybe 200 or so - the envelopes are all copied front & back and catalogued into a 3 ring binder. I can build almost anything with a pattern, I've even learned how to mix and match them. This is fun and reading the other replies is the most fun. Having this list to browse everyday keeps me from feeling out of touch since I have only one friend who also sews. We do theater costumes together. It makes me feel like I have friends all over the world. Anniecat > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites> www.costumegallery.com> www.costumelibrary.com> www.costumeclassroom.com> www.costumeslideshows.com > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 03:09:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3O79Hke002919 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:09:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3O79BGZ013983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:09:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3O78YgB003751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O78XUn037653; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3O78UEb037585 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JovZE0WZU-0005tq; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:08:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:06:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19WYGXz1taJ5eGHk2RYoPSqnUsrxbn7uL9J4sc snjZsVQ6HRHfdxQb/Xenq4+OQ8ARnKDMopYePYO7Ond4PmLE6g GuB5AXRKjCCVeSiHDCVMg== X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a97c299-7830-44e1-aa78-fc2d0d289a71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48103217.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:09:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am enjoying and giggling at some of your answers. You've brightened my day! I forgot to provide my own answers. About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Between 3,000-4,000, maybe more. I just know their valve for the tax guy. Yes, I am a member of the h-costume bookolics! Mine are organized by topic. What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? My first book, a textbook, was Survey of Historic Costume by Tortora. I purchased it from the campus bookstore in 1995. What was your most recent purchase? I went on a sending spree on Abebooks one day. My confession... 1. The Springs Story: First 100 Years (History of South Carolina textile mills) excellent book! 2. A Stitch in Time : The Four Seasons of Baltimore's Needle Trades. Another excellent book! 3. International Tailoring Company, Menswear catalog, Fall and Winter 1904-5. 4. Proceedings Of The Southern Wholesale Dry Goods Assocaition In 8th Annual Convention, 1919. What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? An entire collection of Delineator Magazines from 1880-1909 from an opera company in Canada. I paid about $1 per issue. Another one, is an entire collection of La Art de Mode magazines from 1904-1919 from a lady in Paris. I paid about $3 per issue. About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Period photos: I guess about 1,500-2,000. Photos of actual garments: well over 20,000. No joke, I just put online 30 photos of one antique dress! What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. Mine is actually a collection and I can put it under one arm, leaving the other arm for my laptop. The collection is the actual water-colored plates by a Parisian illustrator who drew and painted the costume renderings for the Parisian theaters and top designers between 1890s-1900s. I purchased the entire lot of theater plates about 30 plates with 5-6 illustrations per plate. I purchased 5 designer plates. These were his proofs to be copied by magazines. These are the only original prints. They only see the light of day, when I show them to my college students. One day I will find a scanner with a large enough bed to scan them. What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! I have actually listened to Robin bad book reviews over the years. So I don't have many bad books. But when I first started collecting, I did purchased a few Dovers, and a really bad James Laver book. Do you have a room devoted to your collection? I really do have an in-house library. It is the largest room in the house. I also have publications in two other rooms...over flow. When did you start collecting? I can blame h-costume for this...Fall 1995 when I joined h-costume. Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Business. But my work is a labor of love...so I get pleasure from it. What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, etc. Look at my most treasured...it was over $500. My husband approved of the purchase! I always pass big purchases by him. Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? Hmmm...seems like I was asking about children as deductions for taxes. I have four and one half machines. 1/2: I have an antique sewing cabinet for one of the first electric White machines. My Dad bought the machine for me when I was 8 y.o. It broke down and I put it in the shop. The shop owner died and all his inventory was sold at auction; including my machine. I didn't know it was sold until after the fact. 1. A 1960s Kenmore that I purchased in 1978 when I married. 2. A new $200 Brothers machine. 3. 1887 Standard treadle in excellent condition. 4. 1920s electric Mercury with no case. How many sewing patterns do you own? Over 100. Most are from the late 1950s-1970s. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 07:27:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OBRXH2007834 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:27:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OBRSqo018043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:27:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OBR105020308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OBQwR4047683; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:26:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OBQsUf047625 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.98] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1661878262 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:26:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:26:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05f3373f-a453-4a4a-acb9-48ac754d9ea5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48106EA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:27:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Penny wrote: "These are the only original prints. They only see the light of day, when I show them to my college students. One day I will find a scanner with a large enough bed to scan them." You should check with the media department of the college. They might have a portable scanner that can scan your large items in parts, then reassemble them in a digital file. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 09:17:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3ODH7si010928 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:17:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3ODGuKt023385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:17:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3ODGa3B028106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ODGZWn051033; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3ODGSC8050871 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so3319513fge.11 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.3.4 with SMTP id 4mr1175929fgc.28.1209042987510; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.68.13 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804240616y7918cbabme2eef8121d0c6ee4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:16:27 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 425b8e70-88db-43c7-a117-2f54c97956f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48108848.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:17:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Maybe 25 books, no magazines, unless you count various Compleat Anachronists and Pikestaffs (published by the SCA). > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Peacock. Don't laugh! It's still one of the most easily available ones in regular libraries! It was a gift from my mother, and at the time, I didn't know any better and I was positively ecstatic. > What was your most recent purchase? Moda a Firenze. I haven't read it yet, but I've drooled all over the images. > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? I don't usually look for deals, but I still think Fashion (from the Kyoto Costume Institute) gives the most for its price. > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Real period photographs, none, because most of my interests date from before photography came to be, but I have numerous postcards and photos of paintings I took in museums, and a huge personal library on my hard drive (most "stolen" from the Internet). A couple of hundred at least, total. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. My computer, actually... or my backup drive (easier to carry!). I don't have any rare books, they're all replaceable, but my computer contains a lot of archived websites, mails, work I've done, projects... everything is there. > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Peacock again, I think. > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? One day! I have a few shelves dedicated to it though. > When did you start collecting? I've always collected books, but it wasn't until I joined the SCA in 2000 that I found a reason to start accumulating costuming books. > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Pleasure! > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? My main machine is a Husqvarna Viking Lily 555 (I love it dearly). I recently inherited an old Bel-Air probably made somewhere in the 50s (it's teal, really cool). I couldn't find a manual (not that I've searched a lot) but I guess this will come in very useful when I finally decide to make a pavillion. My grandmother also promised me her old White (I don't have a date on this one yet though). > How many sewing patterns do you own? Several hundred. Way too many, but at one time, it was an obession! Now I have a better rein on my passions! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 10:57:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OEvkDM013771 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:57:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OEve5P019244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:57:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OEvNCr038156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:57:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OEvLbt069988; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OEvImg069920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m3OEvEvM025152 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:57:17 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:57:18 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scanning prints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e58aeb4-6d71-419b-b37e-b6beaa6d43f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48109FE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:57:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> Penny wrote: "These are the only original prints. They only see the light >> of day, when I show them to my college students. One day I will find a >> scanner with a large enough bed to scan them." > > You should check with the media department of the college. They might have > a portable scanner that can scan your large items in parts, then reassemble > them in a digital file. I was just reading that there is software that will assist in reassembling images that have been scanned in parts from large copy. I've done it in Photoshop, just takes time. The problem, however, may be in supporting the original while part of it is hanging off the end of the scanner. Not a big deal for some things, but for original photos and prints a lot more care is needed. I suppose you could stack books on either side of the scanner to create a platform. Also I'm guessing some graphics companies will have a large flatbed scanner and can do the work, possibly even allowing an art handler if you'd prefer to do that yourself. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 11:08:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OF8FiA014080 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:08:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OF89Pt021107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:08:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OF7CXk039135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OF79jd082404; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OF760A082326 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so3355953fge.11 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr5831006fga.52.1209049626035; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.68.13 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804240807i1dbfa60o663f8a779ab40f28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:07:05 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scanning prints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d774dec-c6a2-4647-9333-7e4c90227a0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810A259.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Also I'm guessing some graphics companies will > have a large flatbed scanner and can do the work, possibly even > allowing an art handler if you'd prefer to do that yourself. Yes, architects, or graphics designers. Some specialized copy/print stores will definitely have some too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 11:19:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OFJOLC014347 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OFJEH2023435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:19:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OFIsuB040346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFIsjd097639; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-2.unl.edu (wm-imp-2.unl.edu [129.93.2.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFIogk097549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OFInP4003854 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:18:49 -0500 Received: from rrcs-76-79-41-168.west.biz.rr.com (rrcs-76-79-41-168.west.biz.rr.com [76.79.41.168]) by wm-imp-2.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:18:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20080424101849.ahbrcphuogw0wc4o@wm-imp-2.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:18:49 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scanning prints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61684ba7-87c9-48c8-8bc7-54d18fccc61e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4810A4F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I seem to have missed the beginning of this thread. How big are the prints, and where are they located? I have access to an 11x17 scanner, in Lincoln, NE. Emma >>> Penny wrote: "These are the only original prints. They only see the light >>> of day, when I show them to my college students. One day I will find a >>> scanner with a large enough bed to scan them." >> >> You should check with the media department of the college. They might have >> a portable scanner that can scan your large items in parts, then reassemble >> them in a digital file. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 11:41:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OFf1kY014895 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:41:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OFetNF007429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OFd9Pv042447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFd9aC024046; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFd7av023994 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so892431ana.65 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr5556498anh.86.1209051546874; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.13 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:39:06 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83778dd8-8e84-48ff-8169-58670c02a785 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810AA07.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, etc. Most I paid for a single costuming book was around 120 $, for Moda a Firenze. I spent more money on fabric over the years than I did on books. Not that I'm not lusting after QEWU, I just don't want it *enough* yet ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 11:50:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OFo61N015179 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:50:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OFnx8p015752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OFnHoN043689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:49:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFnFFb037552; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFnB43037435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Jp2kt-0007VQ-Pm for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:48:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:48:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fed1662-c8eb-4fb2-8267-72254f94e4db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4810AC27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >> Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, etc. > I think it's a toss-up between $177 for the St. Louis Psalter facsimile (which I wrote to the publisher for), and the ABEGG book, which was something like $160. If I'd thought I might have money I could have had a copy of Christie's English Medieval Embroidery for $1500 about five years ago. *sigh* Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 11:50:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OFoxNm015211 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:50:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OFosxI013136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:50:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OFjP1j043229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFjPAv032107; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFjLZW032002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Jp2hK-0006QX-3q for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Message-ID: References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scanning prints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49e2e6bc-d2c4-40ad-92e7-0798afe1bced X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810AC5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:50:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >>> Penny wrote: "These are the only original prints. They only see the light >>> of day, when I show them to my college students. One day I will find a >>> scanner with a large enough bed to scan them." >> >> You should check with the media department of the college. They might have >> a portable scanner that can scan your large items in parts, then reassemble >> them in a digital file. > Also, if you know someone with a good film camera and a tripod, you could take slides of them in available light (i.e., no flash). Then you have both the slides and any scans you can make from them. I have color slides of all the plates from Christie's English Medieval Embroidery done this way. Jen/pixel/Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 11:56:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OFuGhj015350 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OFuAXx016207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OFtUkr044328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFtU65046623; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.213]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OFtRHC046464 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.44]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:55:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:55:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:55:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2008 15:55:22.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A50EC80:01C8A623] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7b0d397-8089-44fe-ad6e-cd5f9e61b7c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810AD9A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello everyone! I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards paintings or drawings of middle or lower class women from any time between 1650 and 1750. A friends daughter is wanting 'real' pirate clothing. :0) I can find upper class garments reasonably easy, but I thought this might be the better place to start. Ideas, sources? Thanks in advance, Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 12:07:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OG7U90015666 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:07:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OG7N8P011388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OG6mF4045626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OG6llM063353; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OG6ixe063257 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.98] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1672281169 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <022201c8a625$316d5a30$62a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop><004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop><00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> <50317.72.13.239.193.1209049038.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scanning prints X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31aee8f1-6a7a-4f42-a17f-6838611d5d39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4810B03B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:07:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO With a portable scanner, the print would lay face up on a table and they would scan it in sections (however wide the portable scanner is) then reassemble the images digitally. No support needs to be built, just a table big enough. After being stored digitally, you could have a life-sized print made by a copy shop, or you could separate details out and print them individually. Large copy shops, esp. in college towns, usually have the ability to print on paper up to 3 feet wide for graphic artists and architects. Often you can email them the file as well, and have the prints waiting when you get there. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 12:09:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OG9Yad015746 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:09:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OG9Pfx024356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:09:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OG8rCx045849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OG8r3d066273; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OG8oso066089 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D255712A2B8 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:08:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4810BE95.3020402@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:08:37 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a3c16cd-d9a3-4efe-8952-26e4744f4cfc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810B0B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards paintings or drawings > of middle or lower class women from any time between 1650 and 1750. Gentlemen of Fortune is a good place to start. http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com They used to have a women's section but it seems to be gone now. However, their lists of links and reference books is excellent. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 12:13:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OGDFFe015933 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:13:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OGD4nm006642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OGCjZ6046342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGCirf071798; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGCgRT071606 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CBellfleur@aol.com) Received: from CBellfleur@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bef.2850a7d3 (39332) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: CBellfleur@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:12:23 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: faaf973b-664f-4351-9cf5-11ae7c35567d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4810B190.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:13:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FUZZY_VPILL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2008 12:05:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you are! About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Probably at least 200 to 300 books in our "personal reference library". This includes costume, art, history (with illustrations to use for costuming), my husband's heraldry and armor books. I was collecting needlepoint books before I found the SCA in 1978 and started costuming. It's enough to over-fill two bookshelves in the dining room. Much of the time, a couple of dozen live in tote bags and get taken to meetings to show newcomers. What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? I ordered "20,000 Years of Fashion" back in 1978-79 from one of those discount catalogs. My husband "came with" a 1948 First Priniting edition of "The Book of Costume" by Davenport (two-volume slipcase) that his parents had. That one doesn't leave the house! What was your most recent purchase? "The Tudor Tailor" and "The Medieval Tailor's Assistant" What do you think was the best deal that you have ever made when purchasing a publication? I used to help out one of the booksellers at Pennsic and she would give me a discount. I got Alcega that way - in hardback! That was well over 20 years ago. About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. My copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620" that she autographed after a lecture in Williamsburg, VA. I need to get a newer copy to actually use as this one is falling apart! What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! I think I have quite a few on the list. At the time, we didn't know they were so bad! Do you have a room devoted to your collection? My dining room has not seen a formal meal in years. Between the sewing machines, sewing supplies, books, bins of fabric, and boxes of craft supplies from our days as Cub Scout leaders, it it full. When did you start collecting? My mom and I were getting craft magazines in the '70's. I still have some of those. I found a scrap book in the "Family History" closet that had fashion magazine clippings from the 1800's, so I guess it's in my blood! Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Personal costume research. I have helped with costumes for some Gilbert & Sullivan productions with our local theatre group, but Victorian not my main interest. Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? My all-time favorite is my 1970 Singer Touch-and-Sew that my parents got for me when I was in College. It worked fine until about 12 years ago when our elderly cat decided it was too far to go to his box and the bobbin case rusted solid. A local repair-man actually got it working again and I continued to use it for several years, being sure to keep the bobbin area well-oiled. I have a Necci portable that I rarely use. About four years ago an elderly neighbor was planning to move into assisted living and sold me her Bernina 930. That's the one I use now. She even had a really nice cabinet to go with it. Some day, I'd like to have my grandmother's treadle machine and my mom's 1947 Singer. How many sewing patterns do you own? Too many. When I first started costuming, I would adapt modern patterns. I've got everything from Barbie-size patterns (nieces' Christmas projects) to the formals I made last summer for a convention. I'm over-run with the brown paper patterns that I make for garb. This has been fun! Cathy Raitt (SCA - Catherine de Bellefleur) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 12:17:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OGHXnX016053 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:17:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OGHS5L017546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OGC0RC046228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGBxsV070656; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGBvdL070483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-47-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.47.91]:2501 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jp435-0003yi-Bb for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:11:51 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080424170358.03846d78@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:11:44 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f595f0ad-006d-42b1-8738-710977eba624 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4810B298.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 16:55 24/04/2008, you wrote: >Hello everyone! > >I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards paintings or drawings >of middle or lower class women from any time between 1650 and 1750. > >A friends daughter is wanting 'real' pirate clothing. :0) I can find upper >class garments reasonably easy, but I thought this might be the better place >to start. > >Ideas, sources? > >Thanks in advance, > >Sheridan P. The following painters might be a goo place to start. Wenceslaus Hollar for Dutch/English middle class ladies of the 17th century, Abraham Bosse(sp?) for French men and women of roughly the same period. William Hogarth for 18th century English of all classes. There are extant etchings of women pirates, but right now I am having a senior moment and cannot think of names of the "ladies". However, the pirates/privateers were often dressed in better class clothing stolen from their victims, so that is also worth bearing in mind. Mary Read and Anne Bonney were two, plus Grace O'Malley. Read some biogs here http://www.beaglebay.com/women_pirates.htm Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 12:32:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OGWjER016733 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:32:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OGUHDV010366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:32:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OGTSVE047993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGTQb8094143; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGTNis094055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m3OGTJ5T014765 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:29:22 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51362.72.13.239.193.1209054562.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac8397a7-2d29-44f5-88db-70ad85748c82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4810B599.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Look for Marcellus Laroon's Street Cries prints. There is a book by Sean Shesgreen that has them, _The Criers and Hawkers of London: Engravings and Drawings_. They are more 1690 - 1710. Good clothing, as well as baskets, etc. -Carol > I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards paintings or > drawings of middle or lower class women from any time between 1650 > and 1750. > > A friends daughter is wanting 'real' pirate clothing. :0) I can find upper > class garments reasonably easy, but I thought this might be the better > place to start. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 12:35:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OGZrsa016862 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:35:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OGZlXa014020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:35:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OGZKgl048607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGZKJG002310; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OGZH5j002130 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.155]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080424163512.IXXK22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:35:12 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.155]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080424163511.UYZP6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:35:11 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:31:49 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080424163511.UYZP6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a063cdc-544a-4520-a798-f48dd403ac59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4810B6E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 10:18 AM 4/24/2008, Penny Ladnier wrote: >About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? current cataloged: 169 books with direct costume = focus, large collection of textiles, art and = manuscript facsim. with related info Mags: Costume (#6 to current) and misc others >What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Don't remember probably sometime in the early 80's. >What was your most recent purchase? Die gegossenen kleeblattf=F6rmigen Fibeln der = Wikingerzeit aus Skandinavien by Birgit Maixner = is the most recent to arrive.. others on order. >What do you think was the best deal that you = >have every made when purchasing a publication? Don't remember. >About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Don't do modern costuming (end about 1600). Have = family photos from 19th C that I suppose I could use. >What book or magazine is your most = >treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. Tough choice, probably 'Storia del costume in = Italia' set by Rosita Levi Pisetzky >What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collectio= n! Also tough choice, probably Norris (refuse to own a copy of Iris Brooke) >Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Separate building for library. >When did you start collecting? Collecting books my whole life.. serious costume = related book collecting probably early 80's >Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Pleasure. >Optional questions: > >How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? 19th C treddle, 2 from 1940's (Singer and clone), = 2 from 1950's (Sears, White), 2 from 1980's = (Penney's, Bernina) that I actually use most often >How many sewing patterns do you own? Don't know. Beth Matney = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 13:04:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OH4Il3018290 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:04:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OH4CrU019266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:04:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OH3pVe051804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OH3pAU040023; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OH3mKb039842 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7853B12A2B8 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:03:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4810CB76.1060003@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:03:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b1199c8-4835-4b5d-af64-d461d3e61eb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4810BD8C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:04:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? > 100+ 200? Haven't really counted them, and the collection spills over into art books, so I'm not sure where to draw the line. > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? > Braun& Schneider, I think I got it in a regular book shop. Still have it, love the plates. > What was your most recent purchase? > Vols 1 & 2 of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? > I got Payne's History of Costume for $1 at one of those huge used book sales. I also got QEWU a few years back when Amazon.uk marked it down to $50. > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? > Don't collect photos, but have several books of them. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. > The costume books would be the last thing on my mind.... but if I could only pick one or two to keep it'd be a tough choice among the various Janet Arnold books, Cut of ___ Clothing, and a couple of "big heavy art books". > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! > Hmmn. Several choices, but I think Agony of Fashion is probably it. > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? > I have a VH Lily for regular use. My grandmother's 60's era Kenmore and table. Another 60's era White in a box somewhere, and a cheap Elna for when I need something portable. Oh, and a vintage 30's-40's machine in a lovely mahogany table. > How many sewing patterns do you own? At least 12 pattern boxes full. Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, etc. I paid $100 for 4 authentic Victorian era paper patterns that I still haven't done anything with. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 13:23:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OHNsN3019076 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:23:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OHNgJd029511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OHMbOP053932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OHMZpo063569; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OHMXOp063421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-73-47-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.73.47.91]:2714 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jp59P-0002oB-Ui for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:22:28 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080424180829.03825c28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:22:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20080424163511.UYZP6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@ema chine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20080424163511.UYZP6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db961cfd-44c7-45f6-8487-78e2982df34d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4810C21E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:23:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:31 24/04/2008, you wrote: >At 10:18 AM 4/24/2008, Penny Ladnier wrote: > >About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? > >About 400, including books with costume/sewing = >related pictures, about 1000 postcards of = >paintings(12 ring binders) plus ditto of photos = >I've taken myself, and the same stashed on the = >computer. (Or maybe more, I've not counted!) > > >What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? A Cavalcade of Costume - in the 1960's, in Stratford on Avon > >What was your most recent purchase? 3 books of detail from the Snowshill Collection - = buttons, trims, and shoes - I already had the embroidery one. > >What do you think was the best deal that you > >have every made when purchasing a publication? I got a "Toile de Jouy" for =A35.00 in a charity shop > >About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? None, only as postcards - > >What book or magazine is your most > >treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. My signed Hunnisetts and Arnolds (well I'm allowed an armful, aren't I?) > >What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collect= ion! Maybe Norris, or the "Agony of Fashion" which = I've just donated to one of my students - tee, hee! > >Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Not exactly, although the landing is pretty full! > >When did you start collecting? 1960's, when I started in theatre, but mostly in = the 1980's after college, when I worked my way = through the book list suggested by Hunnisett and Arnold! > >Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Both > >How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? A Singer and another one - whoo I'm having a forgetful day > >How many sewing patterns do you own? A couple of dozen paper ones, many not used, and lots and lots in books. Suzi = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 13:31:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OHVx1B020011 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:31:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OHVqsN022753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:31:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OHVLqD054915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OHVLuD075043; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3OHVI41074854 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77483 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2008 17:31:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9yQYYp4VM1mFWsSqIFAzrpxyyfu.gvvLIKCc4U8tmzUOlCRPJtAGBp0ewMiLicl5SWJNuylMxZAPiMUSpRtCq84Dg0NpW0J68ymExzJOcYdT9.FXlQ9qzl6dmbE- Received: from [64.183.79.110] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:31:12 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <969778.76856.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ddd9073-c763-472f-960a-abca18ddc9ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4810C408.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:31:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Time to come clean...What was the most price of > you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, > etc. > > Most I paid for a single costuming book was around > 120 $, for Moda a > Firenze. I spent more money on fabric over the years > than I did on > books. Not that I'm not lusting after QEWU, I just > don't want it > *enough* yet ;-) > ________________________________________ I tend to buy costume books only when I find a wonderful price. I was one of the lucky ones who got QEWU from Amazon before they realized they'd posted the wrong price ($15 instead of $150). I got both J.R. Hale's "Artists & Warfare in the Renaissance" (which is FILLED with late 15th-early 16th century German and Italian soldiers, statesmen, and **campfollowers**) and The Art of Lucas Cranach on the sale table. Both were over $100 originally, and I paid about $30 for one of them, $15 for the other, I think. Those are probably the only expensive books of that kind I own. Otherwise, my collection is pretty modest. MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org coming soon in paperback! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 14:00:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OI0bvq021347 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:00:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OI0WGu004522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:00:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OHxsx4058204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OHxqtA017872; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OHxmhq017798 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id F1B4B2E8328 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:57:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 818FD2E80AF for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:57:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A651800B1 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:59:50 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:59:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51362.72.13.239.193.1209054562.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 Thread-Index: AcimKGZXgYmp+258RgWjnfiiEuDO4wACdvXQ References: <51362.72.13.239.193.1209054562.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3820260e-6ad8-4f45-875a-cb4356808693 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4810CAC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You can also use Hollar's engravings as a source. While most are from the 1640's, fashionable styles took decades to trickle down from nobility to the servant class. Servants in London and other cities had more exposure and opportunity to the newest fashions than servants in the country. And even the wealthier people in the country were more apt to keep to older fashions and newer fashions more adapted to everyday wear. As far as Anne Bonny and Mary Read, most fairly comprehensive books on the history of pirates picture them as artists imagined them, not from life. If they were mistaken as men, they probably dressed as men of the times and wore their hair the same. Very long hair would have been most impractical for a life at sea, so those surviving artist renditions picturing both with long hair and breasts half exposed was probably not the actuality. In Anne and Mary's time, the mantua, which was less contricting in shape than previous fashionable gowns, was being replaced by a sacque or even looser gowns with various names, all which could be worn with no, or more comfortable fitting stays for less than formal wear. Few mantuas or sacques survive in their original form today as the fabric could be easily picked apart and remade into newer styles, curtains, or cushion covers. Also the terms pirate and privateer depended on what side you were on. Francis Drake was a brave, heroic privateer in the English view, while Spain, naturally, branded him a brutal pirate. Hope this helps Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of aquazoo@patriot.net Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:29 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 Look for Marcellus Laroon's Street Cries prints. There is a book by Sean Shesgreen that has them, _The Criers and Hawkers of London: Engravings and Drawings_. They are more 1690 - 1710. Good clothing, as well as baskets, etc. -Carol > I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards paintings or > drawings of middle or lower class women from any time between 1650 > and 1750. > > A friends daughter is wanting 'real' pirate clothing. :0) I can find upper > class garments reasonably easy, but I thought this might be the better > place to start. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 14:56:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OIuXwA025988 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:56:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OIuNHS017189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OItxdt065412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OItuPt091794; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:55:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/ZXTUQvX6zOPi1drbi96j/HZptjpXmHt4@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OItr7V091720 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3OItqEp030431 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:55:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 7888 invoked by uid 80); 24 Apr 2008 18:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@71.157.173.8) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 24 Apr 2008 18:55:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4810D82F.4050203@netherton.net> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:57:51 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09ba95ae-433a-49f3-9d4c-856779240b91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810D7D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Most of my work is now really "history" or "art history" with a focus on dress/textiles, so I buy a lot of books that aren't really about "costume" but which I use for the study of dress or textile history. Books specifically about dress, textiles, fashion, or costuming: About 100. Books on medieval art, history, literature, culture, archaeology, manuscripts, etc.: -- About 400 with pictures, filed in our "art" reference library. This includes coffee-table history books I bought primarily for the pictures. -- Maybe another 400 that are text-only references, mostly history or literature, filed in our "general collection." Magazines: Not relevant to my period. I do have piles of journals, though, maybe 200, including pretty much a full run of the Monumental Brass Society Bulletin and a bunch of the MBS Transactions and old Costume journals. And lots of Xeroxed journal articles (that's how they usually come via ILL). I need to set up a proper filing system for articles, as right now they generally land in the file folder for whatever topic I'm researching at the time, and then I forget I have them. > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? For a costume book, probably the Dover reprint of Kohler, bought in my freshman year of college, but I was buying books on medieval art long before that. > What was your most recent purchase? English Medieval Sculpture by Arthur Gardner (1951), bought used for $35 at the Milwaukee airport on my way back from my lectures there a few weeks ago. Full of photos of effigies! Who know I'd find a decent used book store at the airport? And with a really good art section, too. > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? Does it count as a "purchase" if you get it for free? I got Olga Sronkova's "Gothic Women's Fashion" as a library discard when I worked at World Book Encyclopedia. We moved offices and they culled the reference library, and I grabbed all the discarded costume and art books I could get. > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? None, because my period of interest is pre-photography. I do have a few hundred art postcards, filed in two photo boxes. My own slide collection is about 900 catalogued and maybe another 700 not yet catalogued. When am I going to get around to that? > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. No single one. Too many that are irreplaceable -- I wouldn't go for the books, I think. Maybe my slide binders, as I *really* can't replace the photos I took from artworks in Europe. > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! About 30 of the costume-specific books are filed with the Home for Wayward Useless Costume Books, though many of those are really sweet in their own right as Victorian books. The worst? If I had a copy of Peacock or Brooke, that would probably be it. As it stands, probably "Fashion in History" by Bigelow, which was my college costume history textbook and one of the first I bought, and only because I had to, but it's hard to rate the bad ones since they are all so awful in their own different ways. > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Not a easy question to answer, as the costume stuff is divided into sections along with all the other thousands of books we have (my husband is also a historian, but in another field, and there's fiction and children's books too). The visual sources are in the main-floor "library" (which is also the music room); it holds all the art books and books with pretty pictures. The non-illustrated history and literature are part of the general collection in the basement. The costume reference books I use most frequently are on the wall of shelves in my office or the case just outside it, and my office also houses the Bad Costume Book collection and all the journals, photos, and slides. > When did you start collecting? When I was in college, in the late 1970s. > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Is there a difference? > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? One Singer, 1977, bottom of the line, well-maintained and still going strong. > How many sewing patterns do you own? What are these "patterns" of which you speak? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 15:20:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OJKdkF027071 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:20:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OJKSHZ026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OJKAt7068474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OJK9R3022579; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OJK8ZE022436 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so471659ywh.71 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.1 with SMTP id d1mr2275448waf.171.1209064802345; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0804241220q346f7082r456774ec3ee04f2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:20:00 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <969778.76856.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> <969778.76856.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd525a34-50ed-4732-b191-d5e038509f1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4810DD7C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:20:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I bought QEWU when it first came out. I don't think I paid $100 for it. On the other end, I paid $200 for English Icon, but it's a first edition and signed. I bought it from a friend who was selling off/giving away her library. I feel I stole it from her, but that's what she asked for it. Last month I paid the same amount for a Victorian bustle dress made by a friend who wouldn't be wearing it again - underskirt, overskirt, dinner bodice, train, hairpiece and purse. She was going to throw in a pair of matching shoes but they didn't fit. LynnD On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:31 AM, MaggiRos wrote: > ey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > Time to come clean...What was the most price of > > you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, > > etc. > > > > Most I paid for a single costuming book was around > > 120 $, for Moda a > > Firenze. I spent more money on fabric over the years > > than I did on > > books. Not that I'm not lusting after QEWU, I just > > don't want it > > *enough* yet ;-) > > ________________________________________ > I tend to buy costume books only when I find a > wonderful price. I was one of the lucky ones who got > QEWU from Amazon before they realized they'd posted > the wrong price ($15 instead of $150). I got both J.R. > Hale's "Artists & Warfare in the Renaissance" (which > is FILLED with late 15th-early 16th century German and > Italian soldiers, statesmen, and **campfollowers**) > and The Art of Lucas Cranach on the sale table. Both > were over $100 originally, and I paid about $30 for > one of them, $15 for the other, I think. > > Those are probably the only expensive books of that > kind I own. Otherwise, my collection is pretty modest. > > > MaggiRos > > > > > The Elizabethan World is at http://elizabethan.org > coming soon in paperback! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 16:03:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OK3188029032 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:03:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OK2tBU019233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OK2WfG073706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OK2UhO079356; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:02:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OK2Rn1079192 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c8b.28455e84 (65100) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:19 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 149 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d342986-180d-429a-b642-2dccd261036d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4810E76F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 24/04/2008 16:20:30 GMT Standard Time, = h-costume-request@indra.com writes: This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you= = are! About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Never actually counted, but a couple of bookcases full. (Actually with a = (not so) little pile next to the bookshelf of ones that won't fit. Eek!) What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Erm... think it was patterns of fashion (the 16th c one) at a library sal= e. = either that or metric pattern cutting when I was at college, from either = waterstones or the college shop (student discount). What was your most recent purchase? A book on ancestral jewellery. And one on British naval uniforms. At = Chester-le-Street market! What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasi= ng = a publication? Not sure. = Obscure books picked up for 50p at oxfam etc, probably. About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? I have no idea - probably in the region of a couple of thousand. What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, = you would take it with you. One of my Nana's 30s sewing and tailoring books - she gave me it for my 16= th = birthday. What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collectio= n! = Several, but probably the one that I don't remember the name and auther of = that goes through history by reign of monarch... (sorry - memory is swiss = cheesed at the mo). If I still had the John Peacock I had for a while at = college = I'd say that, though. Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Nope - it's in my sewing room. When did you start collecting? Technically when I was 16, though have never looked on it as collecting as = such. Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Is used most for work, but I do just like to look at the pretty pictures! Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? 4 Pax - 1960s (poss late 50s). = Not sure of brand (was boyfriend's nana's) - 1970s Brother - about 5 years old (work back up). Bernina - about 15 - 20 years old - my main work machine. = Oh, and does the mini overlocker that I use very occasionally count? = Doesn't cut, does edge - is about 10 years old. = = How many sewing patterns do you own? = Commercial ones - around fifty or so - but haven't really looked at one in = years. = Blocks and patterns I've cut - thousands I'd imagine, though I've never = counted. But I apparently average around 200 - 300 garments a year, so.... = = = >I would like to add one more question: >Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a = book, collection of work, etc. We won't tell your mate! LOL! You don't = have = to >name give the title, just in case you were taken to the cleaners on a = purchase. Example: a book and the amount. = Erm..... = Book, don't remember which, but one of the out of print cunningtons - abou= t = 60 quid or so. Except I got a discount, so =A355? = = = = Debbie = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 16:03:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OK3ATs029081 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:03:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OK34H9015530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OK2qi8073772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OK2pbC079809; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OK2UIX079244 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HWw31Z0030xGWP85705700; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:02:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([24.7.191.218]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HY211Z0044jAXBL3Y00000; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:02:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-w8cTyN-ZRoA:10 a=n08Uka0VspAA:10 a=vnSpxAGtveLGHvENHDIA:9 a=LJ9uiDNJkvne-R5sTkCvyArlZKkA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <51362.72.13.239.193.1209054562.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Message-Id: <834053ED-5812-44DB-A50E-2AA09F0339B5@margospatterns.com> From: Margo Anderson Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:24:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid/Lower Class Womens Clothing - 1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36520f04-029f-465e-b8be-c2c7fadfaa1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4810E779.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:03:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > > As far as Anne Bonny and Mary Read, most fairly comprehensive books on > the history of pirates picture them as artists imagined them, not from > life. There's a contemporary woodcut of them. They're wearing knee length, baggy smocks over long baggy trousers, and headrails that appear to be exposing stubbly scalp at the front. Not exactly most people's vision of female pirates, alas. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 16:39:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3OKdtNW030688 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:39:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3OKdifc005920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:39:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3OKdOpv077933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OKdMhi056637; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3OKdJP8056528 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3474475pyc.4 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr6222558pyi.3.1209069559272; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.26.2 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590804241339j1fd3ba0v75b14fc297dac19c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:39:18 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4810D82F.4050203@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <4810D82F.4050203@netherton.net> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0200b536-c6cc-4b37-8e73-f28a43642c52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4810F010.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:39:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? I have about 3 liner feet of books specific to costuming with that much and more that are technically on other subjects but are frequent used for costuming research. > > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? I am not sure any more which was the first, there were several that I considered "mine" that I frequently had checked out of the library before I bought them. I think I've been collecting costuming books since the early nineties. > > What was your most recent purchase? Tudor Tailor for actual costume book, though the art book on portraits have some wonderful illustrations. > > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? There was a merchant offering QEWU for half off, son was preparing to purchase a gift card for the local book store for my birthday that I managed to convince him to put toward this book, ended up paying 25 plus shipping. > > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Lost of post cards since I do pre-1600 costuming, but no photos per se > > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. I would be hard press to chose, just one book, and it might just be an embroidery book if I could only take one or two - Like Digby's Elizabethan Embroidery or Schettue's the Art of Embroidery > > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Braun and sneider left by an ex who still thought it was a good book >> > > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? > My library and I share a bed room. > > When did you start collecting? Collecting books? I'd say about the eights, costuming in the nineties > > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? pleasure > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? My main machine is the 1952 Pfaff that I got from my mother about 28 years ago. (she'd gotten it "slightly used" in '54) I have to replace the light bulb - it finally burnt out and I don't have a clue how to get the old one out, I'm thinking I might need a manual aftr all... I also have three other machines, either gifts or flea market, all are circa 1960's, singer, kenmore, and I'm not sure on that last one. > > How many sewing patterns do you own? I've actually ended up with several file boxes of patterns from someone who collected costume patterns on those five for a dollar sales. That was three/four years ago and while I've found a home for a few of them since I have most of them and rarely used such things. I prefer to drape for anything new. I have two or three file boxes of those patterns. alex > -- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 21:31:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P1VkfB010968 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:31:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P1VXP3018969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P1Ut9h008186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P1UqAL075482; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P1UhwU075300 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FB438068 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:27:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:27:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804242127.24236.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aef8df29-9654-4ae6-a08f-6d99e61eae59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48113475.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:31:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Thursday 24 April 2008, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Photograph question: Antique photographs and/or of antique costumes. Ah. Then the answer is "none," except for photos of my relatives or friends (which are very few in number). But then, my costume interests are largely pre-1600. > > I would like to add one more question: > > Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a > book, collection of work, etc. We won't tell your mate! LOL! You don't > have to name give the title, just in case you were taken to the cleaners on > a purchase. Example: a book and the amount. The most? $100 so far, for my copy of "Ancient Danish Textiles", by Margrethe Hald. I have contemplated more expensive purchases, but not gotten up the nerve. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 21:45:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P1jLYL011240 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:45:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P1jFJ8021500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P1j1dR009197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P1j1Yl087180; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3P1iv4G087114 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200804250144.m3P1iv4G087114@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29250 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 18:44:56 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28949, pid: 29247, t: 0.1718s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qHtMVBikAAAA:8 a=I6XJ-4E4AAAA:8 a=ik5vtdJeAAAA:8 a=fkf-BUODAAAA:8 a=cPg4MXvj64jKYoicxmUA:9 a=LmfG5_Hv3iYNAW5xP7cA:7 a=aNIKnuGlhO4eUcEO2xV3xGKH6QcA:4 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by smtp2 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 18:44:56 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:41:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> References: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e384d9c-edd8-4fd0-b93d-34eab461e2b7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481137AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 10:48 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote: >I would like to add one more question: > >Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid >for a book, collection of work, etc. We won't tell your mate! >LOL! You don't have to name give the title, just in case you were >taken to the cleaners on a purchase. Example: a book and the amount. > >Penny Ladnier, >Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumelibrary.com >www.costumeclassroom.com >www.costumeencyclopedia.com I paid $210 for one book (no, it's not QEWU :-P; that was only $135 or so). It's "Buckskin and Homespun" by David Holman and Billie Persons (1979), #88 of 450 (Regular Edition); published by Wind River Press. It's a survey of Frontier Texas fashions from 1820 to 1870. Since I don't have a spouse, there's no one to hide the price from :-D. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 24 22:50:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P2o7Rf014058 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P2o025029142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P2nV3s014249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P2nTJu040626; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P2nQQX040487 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web28-z02 ([10.127.132.179]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080425024920.YVSX25676.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web28-z02> for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:49:20 +0000 Message-ID: <28738285.310911209091761049.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z02> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:49:20 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ae6d222-749b-470b-bf7c-969c1ed538dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481146D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ---- Robin Netherton wrote: > > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? I've got a couple of book cases full of costuming books, art history books, portraiture books and history books. I've got several pieces that could qualify as magazines - Complete Anachronist, for example - but not many. > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? It was an Italian language book about the works of Agnolo Bronzino. I bought it in Arizona from a friend of mine. > What was your most recent purchase? Moda a Firenze > What do you think was the best deal that you have ever made when purchasing a publication? Oh, that's easy - it was when Amazon UK goofed up and had QEWU for 18 pounds. I think even with shipping it ended up costing less than $40. > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? None, though I do have some photos that I took of extant 16th century clothing at the Victoria and Albert Museum. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. Oh, golly. I don't think I can choose just one. > What is the worse costume book that you own? I don't have any bad books. I've had excellent advice on what to buy. :-) > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Not yet, but I'm working on it. My younger daughter is moving out soon, so I'll have a sewing/book room *and* a guest room! > When did you start collecting? In the early 1990's. > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Pleasure. :-) > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? Well, if you ask my husband, I'm sure he'll say too many! LOL! I have a 1904 Singer treadle, an old Singer with a bentwood case, a 1980-something Viking (one of the first electronic models), a 1984 JC Penney free-arm machine, and a Euro-Pro basic machine. I bought it because my girls tidied up and I wasn't (and still can't) find the attachments for the JC Penney machine. > How many sewing patterns do you own? Bunches. I have normal clothing patterns, costume patterns, and stuffed toys/doll patterns. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 01:33:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P5XOTh020902 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:33:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P5XIUK007309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:33:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P5Wekv023728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P5WZHf068182; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P5WWAZ068131 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-126-242.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.126.242] helo=Boris) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JpGXv-0004hq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:32:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3E3C005FA111482F9A719047D38D7D5B@Boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <004a01c8a5d9$cad56c90$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:32:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d981c44-20d8-4e6c-a762-312ff440b181 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48116D1E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:33:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Somewhere around 500, more if you count the art books, but they're packed right now. > > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? Payne's "History of Costume". I didn't purchase it, my high school librarian gave it to me when I graduated, since I was the only person who had checked it out in three years and I knew it well enough to quote page numbers. > > What was your most recent purchase? Mode a Firenze > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when > purchasing a publication? That copy of Payne was pretty good, other than that, probably paying $25 for Boucher's "20,000 Years of Costume". > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? About 20. I've also got a couple of framed hand-tinted fashion plates, and I've got tons of pictures of existant garments. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, > you would take it with you. My great-grandmother's copy of "Encyclopedia of Embroidery". It was originally her grandmother's. > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a > collection! "Let There Be Clothes". It perpetuates every costuming myth there is. I keep it to show my students what not to use. > > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Well, it's my workroom, where I use them. > > When did you start collecting? 1976 > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Business, but I would collect them even if I didn't costume for a living. Having the business just makes it easier to justify my obsessions. > What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of > > work, etc. $100 for Mode a Firenze. Although, I've been looking at an out of print French book on costume in the reign of Louis XIII for $700. It has pictures of garments that were lost during WWI and WWII. > > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? I'm down to 3 in the house right now: My great-grandmother's 1909 Singer treadle, a Singer Featherweight that needs it's box repaired, and a 3 month old Brother. My 1978 Kenmore just got reconditioned and sent to my youngest daughter. Until fairly recently, I had 2 more electric machines and another treadle, but I pared them down. > How many sewing patterns do you own? The patterns live in two four drawer filing cabinets. Probably half of those are one's I've drafted, but I collect patterns, usually when they're on sale for $1. I like looking at them for inspiration and if I can start with a ready made pattern for something, great, that saves me a bit of time. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 02:04:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P64vwR023534 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:04:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P64ptE018629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:04:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P64JSa025599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P64J77090944; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P64G3R090906 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1JpH2c3AZG-00060y; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c8a699$fbe0f410$7101a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:02:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19qTnnGjFZneXfWf0XWxHYb446r+5qtqoXIdGI wKfchhip5gsyOqCOwkEQ+iW/7jJ2o+plbbTJKkk/gTm6OJUf25 ejXUm7OVelZkwImshcihQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Catching Up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6967735b-ec54-46d3-b91b-e8b303b2c939 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48117483.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:04:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO First, I want to thank everyone who helped two weeks ago with the dance terms and origins from the Ringling Mansion's Ballroom murals. I compiled most of your answers and put them on the slideshow. I know have a website for all the slideshows. You can see them at www.costumeslideshows.com . Scroll down to the John and Mabel Ringling Museum of Art and click on the Ballroom to view the show. The American Dance panels are still questionable. But I am researching. I am sorry for being late with the thank yous. I have been working on several slideshows. My contract with Ringling is that all their images, are free access but can not be saved to the visitors computers. Last week, I added another slideshow from the Ringling Museum's Circus Collection. This showcases 30 costumes with 95 photos. I am alternating between putting slideshows online for the Ringling collection and VCU's. When I finish the VCU slideshow that I am working on, I will be putting online either John Ringling wardrobe from the 1920s-early 1930s or Mrs. Ringling rose garden statues...all representing the 1700s. H-costume was also discussing the HBO mini-series "John Adams." A good bit of the show was filmed in the Richmond, Virginia area. A large set was built just north of the Richmond and used for early Boston, early and late Philly. My son, Patrick, worked as a CGI extra for the reading of the Declaration of Independence (DofI) scene. He took my camera to set and photographed the fifteen CGI extras. I have a slideshow of these people on my slideshow site. It is also free access. The business owner who supplied these costumes for the JA series was a member of h-costume. I am not sure if she is still on the list, but I met her here. The mini-series has a special On-Demand about how CGI was used heavily in the making of the show. For example, the bottom floor of Independence Hall was on set in Richmond, the upper floor and roof was CGI-ed in. Well, this group of CGI extras, were not really present when the principal actors read the DofI. They moved around on set and wer! e filmed then they were CGI-ed into the scene. The first second of the Reading scene on film, we counted my son at least 10 times. Easy to spot the long brown ponytail...which is his natural hair and hairstyle. I need more help, please (batting my eyelashes, if that would help.) I am writing descriptions for dresses from 1910-1914. My memory is brain-dead on a couple of terms. Can you please look at two photographs and let me know what the terms are called. 1. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030368.jpg . This is a skirt section of a dress. The overdress has two panels hanging from the waist. They are gathered on the hanging end and married by a rosette. My questions: Is there a period term for these hanging panels? I know I have seen this same type of treatment for curtains. But I can not even recall the name for this type of curtains. 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 02:07:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P67EHT024575 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:07:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P678Go019762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:07:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P66b9M025721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P66aDv092532; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P66Xr2092486 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4601C2203FE; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:04:16 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:06:18 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c8a69a$7a68c4c0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcilwBXp4eW1KPQwTSybJA50WSKOYAA1Sl4w X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2702923d-8812-4076-a356-8ad45a891188 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4811750D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:07:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? About 30-35 (but 2 of those are Moda a Firenze and QEWU (bought from Amazon/Canada for $192, which included shipping) What was the first one you purchased? Historic Costume for the Stage 1974 Where did you purchase it? Humboldt State University for a costume class What was your most recent purchase? QEWU What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? A friend found the 3 Janet Arnold books at a garage sale and bought them for under $20, then gave them to me About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? Loads, because my family took lots of photos, then threw them in a box. If anyone wants copies (some very nice turn of the century ones, I will scan and email to you What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. Besides pics of my kids, nothing. What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Let There Be Clothes Do you have a room devoted to your collection? no When did you start collecting? When I had some money Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? pleasure Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? One What types and age? Husquevarna/Viking new this year, finally had to bite the bullet and get new machine when old one (Elna) wouldn't work unless you picked it up and shook it really hard How many sewing patterns do you own? Tons, my friend, who was a costumer, gave me all she had after she decided not to do shows anymore -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:03 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you are! About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? What was your most recent purchase? What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Do you have a room devoted to your collection? When did you start collecting? Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? How many sewing patterns do you own? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 02:36:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P6aHIC005049 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:36:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P6aB4Y027061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P6ZYJR027135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P6ZNxb015395; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3P6ZKkh015270 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 8523 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2008 06:35:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q8t_ueAVM1kqeL7PgFw0cH7MOT4zaZhMvxTZhxCEXdd2oYopOqnStwJG7YT0rSQMFAvZG0wdy08elNFZqtOs8TCb7M8rzx5fxl0UzrAqnH.djl5PUx79EFociJI- Received: from [68.250.178.20] by web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:35:14 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003901c8a699$fbe0f410$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <973702.7947.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching Up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1085394-c8af-4649-90fa-675ff87732b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48117BDB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:36:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know about Image 1, but Image 2 is bordered by what my Grandmother called lattice work. I don't know if that is general usage, but that is what I know it to be. --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > 1. Image: > http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030368.jpg . > This is a skirt section of a dress. The overdress > has two panels hanging from the waist. They are > gathered on the hanging end and married by a > rosette. My questions: Is there a period term for > these hanging panels? I know I have seen this same > type of treatment for curtains. But I can not even > recall the name for this type of curtains. > > 2. Image: > http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . > These medallions are borders on a three-tiered net > dress. My question: What is the name of the type > of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a > cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. > I am so embarrassed that I can't remember this term. > I have made this type of crochet so many times. It > is made by using a double or triple crochet, then > chain two or three and then repeat. There are three > rows of this type of crochet around each medallion. > > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 03:24:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3P7OW3G016605 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:24:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3P7OPwX013274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:24:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3P7Ng6i029569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3P7Nfx2058872; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3P7Nctx058801 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 31363 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2008 07:23:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1a2PhmkVM1nAJKexbjKGKK5ZdC2UE2ClIs8Xfck9sWtirP8Hp3OOb0fGMNlW.RmTK9ik5XqoCP03RbB5DKCn0gMIAhpQGA6xsqcXMQ-- Received: from [68.250.178.20] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:23:33 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <608871.30033.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6014cfc8-c2c1-4533-81e2-38a51db0c08c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48118729.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:24:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers > come out, wherever you are! > > About how many costume/fashion related books or > magazines do you own? Let's see - way too many to count. I have 3 two drawer file cabinets with needlework/cross stitch, quilting, weaving/spinning, and craft mags. Plus all the needlework charts and patterns garnered from years of trading with friends. Books on the same subjects as well as all my costume books take up 4 48" shelves. > > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you > purchase it? Survey of Costumes for Theater. Mary Washington College Bookstore, 1972. > What was your most recent purchase? Most recently I replaced my Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion 1560. I was stupid enough to lend my original copy to someone who was very careless and allowed it to be trashed. > What do you think was the best deal that you have > every made when purchasing a publication? When I scored about 10 books from the needlework section of the library during the Buck a Bag sale they have every year. All ten fit into one bag. Pays to belong to the Friends of the Library and go to the pre-sale! > > About how many period photographs do you own just > for the costuming? Do old fashion mags count? > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if > your house was on fire, you would take it with you. > > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know > Robin has a collection! I have some of the Dover publications. I don't use them, but my kids gave them to me because they know I like to sew "Old timey stuff". > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Yes, I do. My workroom holds just about everything. > When did you start collecting? Books, I have collected since childhood. Needlework and sewing since Jr. High. Costuming since college. > Do you consider your collection for business or > pleasure? Both - > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and > age? 4 - Great-grandmother's treadle (1890s?), Grandma's cabinet Singer (prob 40s), Mom's Featherweight, my Bernina Dressmaker from 1983. And a Brother overlock that I use on occasion to make ditty bags for the Scouts. I also have loaned out to family members several machines inherited from my Great Aunt Mabel, but since I don't really expect to ever get them back I won't count them. > > How many sewing patterns do you own? Until about a month ago I would have said at least 1000. I've been sewing for other people since High School. I also inherited the sewing room contents of my Grandmother and her sister(Aunt Mabel)- who never got rid of anything. Because you never know when you might need just that color or a little bit of that color yarn or whatever. And for years I used to go yardsaleing every weekend and buy whatever sewing/crafting stuff I could find. Amazing what you can find that way. Unfortunately, last month while searching for something in the storage room off the garage my hubby discovered that the pattern boxes had become nesting sites for many generations of mice. So I didn't even sort through the boxes - most of them hadn't been opened since we moved here 14 years ago - I just sent them to the burn pile. So now I am down to the ones in the house - probably about 50. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 06:31:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PAVlGQ012063 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:31:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PAVWex018468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PAUMBL042373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PAUJW2001727; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PAUGHi001629 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c0b.2fbcc27c (41811) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:30:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:30:07 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f97710fa-5b02-4e64-b5f0-ea5de35ca88e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4811B304.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:31:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2008 3:24:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net writes: What was your most recent purchase? Most recently I replaced my Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion 1560. I was stupid enough to lend my original copy to someone who was very careless and allowed it to be trashed. Good thing it was one you could easily replace! I don't let my books out, ever. Don't want to risk the loss of a long out-of-print book that would cost $100s to replace, if available. And, speaking of that, the most I ever spent for a book is the Ackermann's furniture one. Don't remember the title, as it lives at my office. Bought it used for about $300--a friend of mine was fortunate enough to get a copy in England many years ago, and I had to have one, too. First book I ever bought was Wilcox's "Mode in Costume." Yes, I know now that it is terrible, but it was one of the few costume books in my high school library, and it really got me started. So, when I saw it for $10 in Florida, many years ago, I bought it. Still have it, too, for sentimental reasons. I've run out of room for books, so I'm being pretty good about new one in, old one out--passing on books on eras or topics I figure I'm pretty much done with--either to individuals who can use them, or to the Costume Society of America silent auction every year. Ann Wass **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 13:40:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PHeuia010952 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:40:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PHehab016725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:40:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PHeKj3087476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PHeGFb067717; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.uvm.edu (smtp1.uvm.edu [132.198.101.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PHeCEd067544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local (ip095180.uvm.edu [132.198.95.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.uvm.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PHe6qd026535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: <48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:40:07 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 734c119b-03b5-4b6d-8031-772a66944c56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4812179B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? > Far fewer than I used to. In a fit of anti-consumerism a few years ago I gave away a substantial portion of my library. Now I simply rely on the university library or ILL as needed. > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? > I had a couple survey-type books, and maybe some Dover's picked up second-hand, but the first I remember paying serious money for was Hill and Bucknell's "Evolution of Fashion." I had fit on semi-permanent loan from the college library but then found my own copy in a bookstore in Manchester Center, VT, around 1979. > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? > Hmmm...not exactly a purchase--more of a barter: a copy of Hunnisett's 19th century "Period Costume for Stage and Screen" for helping someone make a muslin for a corset. > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? > Well, not too many photographs were taken in the periods I'm interested in :-). But I do have a nice bunch of photos taken during a private visit to the attic of the Fleming Museum, Burlington, VT. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. > My Godey's, definitely. > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! > I hate to say: I gave them away (I hate to admit to foisting them off on some unsuspecting person) but they included Norris and Peacock. > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? > 3. The one I use(Viking), the Singer my Mom bought us in the 60's to learn to sew on that we can no longer get parts for, and the 1920s Singer she inherited from her mother that still kind of works except for the popping noises and burning oil smell... > How many sewing patterns do you own? > Got rid of most of those too. I still have about 2 dozen that I use various bits and pieces of, but mostly I just draft or drape my own. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 14:57:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PIv5wL014455 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:57:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PIux8H024391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PIubFN096424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PIuY3P063212; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep51.mail.dk (fep51.mail.dk [80.160.77.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PIuVEQ063105 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep51.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080425185629.UJNL13735.fep51.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:56:29 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.99]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080425185629.MZS6737.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:56:29 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c8a706$11a04e60$63e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:56:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.99] at Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:56:29 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] How many costume books do you have? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55373917-43e7-4cf8-832f-ca4780555107 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4812297B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have not counted my books, but if i include books about embroidery and lace making i think i have collected about 400 books. My best buy was last year where i found a book with all fashion engravings of Moreau Le Jeunne from 18th century and i payed about 1000 kr. for it wich is about 200 dollars in a second hand bookshop in Rome. My most valued books are Janet Arnolds pattern books and also Norah Waughs, they have always ben my compannions, and still are when i need to get more informations about a special style of dress. The best portrait book must be one i got this winter a book with all Alexander Roslins portraits from 18th century. They are incredible, you can see clearly the dust powder from the wigs has sprayed down on their clothes, wich i never noticed before in any other painter. A future book would be a homemade one, where i print out all the fashion engravings in my database from 18th century, but this would become my most expensive projekt. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 14:59:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PIxlDx014533 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:59:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PIxfJj015535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PIxLUI096677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PIxLVH066671; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+4sLl6MyZaQ4ExU/Uw9IXUezYn9GivvvU@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PIxHQY066575 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3PIxFVp023145 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:59:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 779 invoked by uid 80); 25 Apr 2008 18:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@71.157.173.8) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 25 Apr 2008 18:59:15 -0000 Message-ID: <48122A7A.4030601@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:01:14 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a50a6b0-49ff-4d30-88f2-72692473e3ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48122A1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:59:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This seems like a good time to make my periodic request: Hope Greenberg wrote: >> What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! >> > I hate to say: I gave them away (I hate to admit to foisting them off on > some unsuspecting person) but they included Norris and Peacock. For those of you who want to dump your Bad Old Costume Books, no need to foist them off on unsuspecting victims! I will gladly pay for shipping to receive donations to the Robin Netherton Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books. I do use them constructively to improve the field. For one thing, I often get inquiries from well-meaning scholars (beginning costumers, or historians in other fields) who have found something on the library shelves and want my opinion on it, so it helps if I have the books and can see what they're looking at. More important, one of my favorite research approaches is to track back modern misconceptions through the costume literature of the last 200 years, comparing different sources to figure out where mistakes originated and how concepts mutated from one author to the next. Donations are always welcome! It's for a good cause, and better than letting these things fall into the hands of people who might actually use them for costuming ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 15:11:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PJB2vt015017 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:11:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PJAstN011658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:10:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PJAb09097750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PJAaKw080964; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3PJAXVp080789 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 17881 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2008 19:10:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KHZ50o8VM1nn7D8L3cC896Xo9Slo8mRE7dWHNRIji2TowzPdMrPGWNH_0p76tIqX5YwIO4308zR2AKMX7pChkkD8oEk8rWvROFgyhQ-- Received: from [68.250.178.20] by web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:10:27 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <453154.17866.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ea14a48-ea8d-4419-a1ad-15f8e47eb02c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48122CBE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:10:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wow, the Fleming Museum. I spent many days there when I was a kid. My dad taught at the UVM College of Forestry in the 60's and we would play on the grounds while waiting for him. Do they still have the theater in the basement? That was where I got my first taste of costuming. My sister (7)and I(10) were messing around and came across students spray painting chain mail for the Shakespeare Festival and let us help. I don't remember now if the outfits were knit or macrame, but they were made of rug type yarn and were being painted silver. I talked my folks into taking me to the show and remember being really struck by how very different things looked on stage versus off. I also broke my arm running down that big hill in the front. Do they still have the ice cream factory? Man, all sorts of memories popping up now! It was a really cool place to grow up. --- Hope Greenberg wrote: >> > About how many period photographs do you own just > for the costuming? > > > Well, not too many photographs were taken in the > periods I'm interested > in :-). But I do have a nice bunch of photos taken > during a private > visit to the attic of the Fleming Museum, > Burlington, VT. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 15:13:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PJDAXc015162 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:13:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PJD5Li022096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PJCjq5098001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PJCiES083478; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PJCfXS083410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1JpSPU-0002XV-2L for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:12:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:12:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48122A7A.4030601@netherton.net> Message-ID: References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> <48122A7A.4030601@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc4086dd-313f-4058-9862-c2cfd9f7f03e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48122D41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Do you by chance have a list of the ones you already own, so you don't end up with duplicates? Jen On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > This seems like a good time to make my periodic request: > > For those of you who want to dump your Bad Old Costume Books, no need to foist > them off on unsuspecting victims! I will gladly pay for shipping to receive > donations to the Robin Netherton Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books. I do use > them constructively to improve the field. For one thing, I often get inquiries > from well-meaning scholars (beginning costumers, or historians in other > fields) who have found something on the library shelves and want my opinion on > it, so it helps if I have the books and can see what they're looking at. More > important, one of my favorite research approaches is to track back modern > misconceptions through the costume literature of the last 200 years, comparing > different sources to figure out where mistakes originated and how concepts > mutated from one author to the next. > > Donations are always welcome! It's for a good cause, and better than letting > these things fall into the hands of people who might actually use them for > costuming ;-) > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 15:41:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PJfb23020655 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:41:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PJfVZi016752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PJfC6e001204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PJfBLx019459; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+IDonTqdZ8MHqIvxmdulL9whNJOKm+Ab0@mail4.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PJf8ZY019387 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3PJf7gv007165 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:41:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 28981 invoked by uid 80); 25 Apr 2008 19:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@71.157.173.8) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 25 Apr 2008 19:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4812344B.4060706@netherton.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:43:07 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> <48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> <48122A7A.4030601@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a000f1c7-5313-43e3-9746-fb8ccb007ba5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481233EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:41:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: > Do you by chance have a list of the ones you already own, so you don't end > up with duplicates? I ask people to e-mail me first before sending, and then I can check. They're all one one bookcase together, about 30 of them, so it's easy to see what I have. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 18:07:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3PM74fZ025699 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:07:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PM6xAC031017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3PM6OnS023057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PM6Kwl099209; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3PM6GOe099044 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JZW005KNIQAPNI0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:06:02 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0vhJnsFRtinFdWT3AiNJ4g)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b589ccb-cfff-4058-aad7-bcdaa08dd79a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48125603.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_0vhJnsFRtinFdWT3AiNJ4g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Hundreds. My library is better than most public libraries-- at least for art, history and costume. What was the first one you purchased? 197O (when I was in college) Where did you purchase it? Have no clue. Memory fails after a certain age. :-) What was your most recent purchase? The new Henry VIII book (I can't remember the title-- We are doing kitchen renovation and my brain is fried) What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication? Roy Strong-- English Icons. Bought used for about $20. Also his Elizabethan & Jacobean Portraits-- 2 volumes. Pristine. $45.00 About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? A gazillion. I keep them in photo protective sheets in the largest 3 ring binder made. What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. Moda di Firenze. I have two copies (one is a gift). Since I am writing about Cosimo and Eleonora, it is my best reference. Of course, if push came to shove, I'd grab my manuscripts for the 3 books I've written. (on portable hard drive sticks) What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! Me too. Mode in Costume by Ruth Turner Wilcox tops my list. Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Actually several. We have a library which houses Art and History. My dressmaking patternmaking and costume history are in the sewing room. The other books are in our bedroom, our guest room and the computer room. Not to mention the stuff under the eaves. When did you start collecting? 1970 Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Both. I was a costume designer for 6 years, a fashion designer for 24, and now I teach fashion history. Plus I am in the SCA. Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? 4 . What types and age? 3 straight stitch (one lives with my brother) and a serger. The straight stitch machines are 1940s and 1950s vintage Singers. The Serger is probably 15 years old and also a Singer. How many sewing patterns do you own? Commercial: less than 30. I make my own patterns for the SCA garb since I am also a professional patternmaker. Monica Spence --Boundary_(ID_0vhJnsFRtinFdWT3AiNJ4g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --Boundary_(ID_0vhJnsFRtinFdWT3AiNJ4g)-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 25 22:53:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3Q2rfZg001361 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:53:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3Q2rXHd031978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:53:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3Q2lsIB043193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3Q2lpk8027471; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3Q2lnXv027453 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so2558141hsz.15 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.100.17 with SMTP id x17mr3967010agb.31.1209178069122; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.16 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190804251947h1d9d7376q2743bcbb2ae08ed6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:47:49 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 489afbe3-695f-4120-8874-846e68e8a3d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4812992E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:03 PM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > > This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you > are! > > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? [looks around at several shelves] I don't know. I'm guessing 100, at least, and probably more. > > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? 2nd ed. of "Survey of Historic Costume" for the college costume history course that started me on this crazy path! > > What was your most recent purchase? North American Indian Jewelry and Adornment (waiting for it to get here) > > What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing > a publication? > Without question, the ~$35 copy of QEWU acquired when Amazon.co.uk misprinted the price on their site a few years back :P > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? > Photos- none, but quite a few art books just for the paintings. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, > you would take it with you. I can't even begin to choose! > > What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! I probably have Peacock lying around here somewhere. I sold the Norris a few years back. > > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Yes. > > When did you start collecting? I'm not exactly when it turned from occasional purchases building up to full-on collecting - possibly when I discovered the joys of half.com :P > > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Pleasure, definitely, though I do think some costume construction/design philosophies translate to other practical creative endeavors. > > Optional questions: > > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? > 3 - one fairly new; two from ca. 1975 that I need to do something with (either fix and use or sell) > How many sewing patterns do you own? I'm scared to know! I started collecting Vogue patterns by Miyake about the same time I started collecting books... > > Penny Ladnier, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 26 02:13:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3Q6DNNF013292 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:13:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3Q6DIrY013467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:13:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3Q65rQY057994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3Q5imYe042390; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3Q5ikxI042374 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so4133729pyc.4 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.48.11 with SMTP id a11mr9021092pyk.63.1209188686158; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z38sm676201pyg.25.2008.04.25.22.44.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004301c8a760$f6adbf60$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:47:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] 18th, 19th, & 20th C clothing auction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ebbfafd-e275-49b1-9daf-ea0a41240c12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4812C7FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:13:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This was originally posted on the Real Regency mailing list, but the clothing has a much wider appeal than just early 19thC: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=Catalogue&iSaleNo=16286 OR http://snipurl.com/25vmj [www_bonhams_com] -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 26 06:10:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3QAAb1q024115 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3QAAVmE024400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:10:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3QA9uP7079064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3QA9rCS029717; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3QA9nEl029587 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 628 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2008 10:09:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lpz3S34VM1khp24F.ctjWib9jBa2AhUB.9LIe0V6YxYv2d1jjpZxU_Y63x5lVqkNRXxYNllQlHbmuB_NQHobf.82gz5b7AikpqMEtNi2XVMzVZTy9l9NwFErIYQ- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:09:43 PDT Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4812344B.4060706@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <543173.114.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4f5d1b6-e957-4254-b3c0-562cff967204 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4812FF97.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They're all one one bookcase together, about 30 of them, so it's easy to see what I have. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 26 06:42:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3QAgpTs028701 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:42:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3QAgk7D004658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:42:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3QAgVuL081576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:42:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3QAgUcW053199; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3QAgQp7053098 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d0f.2824a036 (29673) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:42:14 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10170f53-dabb-46fc-9130-09d075c713b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48130726.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:42:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I didn't answer some of the questions on my last post. I don't have a room devoted--that is why I'm running out of room! Textiles/quilt books in the office/sewing room, on one shelf. Straight how-to sewing books in a small case on top of my pattern cabinet--only one drawer actually holds patterns, and I've been weeding them out. Other drawers hold utility fabrics, interfacings, and craft items. Then stacks of books wherever they will fit around the computer, mostly from the library, as I write my book. Upstairs, in our bedroom, two cases with costume books and one with miscellaneous histories on subjects like Lewis and Clark and plantation households. Another two cases with the Time-Life History Timeline series, old college texts, and other odd subjects. Finally, a tall skinny case in the corner of the guest bedroom with my Jane Austens and all my slides, organized in binders (Yes, I finally did get that done, as they sit their becoming obsolete.) Sewing machines--A wonderful Bernina I bought in 2000. A 1970s era Singer that was my husband's and I guess I pretty much wore out--after repeated trips to have it repaired, it still won't form a decent stitch. My Kenmore that I got for graduation in 1973. Finally, my mom's White Rotary that she bought used during the Depression, so not sure how old it is. It is in storage right now and needs a new plug. Oh, and a Pfaff serger that I got in 1992. What would I save in a fire? Probably have to grab my laptop first, before any books. Ann Wass Ann Wass **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 26 11:29:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3QFTMqo017945 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:29:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3QFTGT0032412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3QFSgth006986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3QFSdVG081888; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:28:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3QFSZTU081738 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35622 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2008 15:28:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gjARg.gVM1leIau4VFIi70dlw3CIz1EkN3edJtiuIIo0O5POvqAw6nF_3t7zFrjkDsrHJacrAnHQDtuWUVriZQh2b0BZWFSLHt7DknKwx.I.7rjFguE2KjPrvg-- Received: from [98.207.226.171] by web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:28:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com, GBACG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <414423.35432.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Auction catalog of 17th-20th century clothing, textiles, etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcb77450-b512-45a6-9c8b-90642a0e518f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48134A4C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:29:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This was posted to another list I am on... An upcoming auction of 17th-20th century clothing, textiles, hats, laces, fans, etc. Lots of yummy things (and I wish there were more pictures!!). I'm still working my way through the catalog, but one of my favorites so far is a complete man's court costume, down to the stockings, c.1800. There are lots lace and lace-making items, and lots of fans. http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=Catalogue&iSaleNo=16286 ~mary ________________________________ The whole difference between construction and creation is exactly this: that a thing constructed can only be loved after it is constructed; but a thing created is loved before it exists. ~ Charles Dickens _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 26 11:31:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3QFVga7018021 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:31:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3QFVQ5Y014668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3QFV8mg007221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3QFV8Wd084304; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18QLtCi8CPu5JbGxEQSUC/gItIdq2JhKoE@mail2.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3QFV4Ij084219 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1h.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.186]) by mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3QFV3dL015362 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:31:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 16484 invoked by uid 80); 26 Apr 2008 15:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.182 with ESMTPA; 26 Apr 2008 15:31:03 -0000 Message-ID: <48134B2D.70301@netherton.net> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:33:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <543173.114.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <543173.114.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 746fd9a7-47a8-441f-838e-6e703c730cb6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48134ACE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:31:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FB_GET_MEDS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_OBFUENLARGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > If you, however, made by chance such a list, post it here so that I know what not to buy... You cannot look inside books when you order them through amazon. I've already purchased quite a number of very disappointing books... My "bad" might be someone else's useful, particularly if that someone else is doing theatre costume. Also, my focus is on medieval dress, which may or may not be the same as your interest. Some of my favorite "bad" books cover many centuries and probably do a reasonably good job in the later ones, but not in medieval. (This is something that happens a lot with textbooks and survey books, particularly if the author is a specialist in, say, 18th or 19th century and writes the medieval section based on other books without knowing how to spot the errors.) On the other hand: I don't think anyone here would mind if you asked here about specific books you're thinking of buying, and then people who have the book can tell you whether it's useful for specific periods and purposes. FWIW, these are just some of the things on my own "bad" books shelf: - Bigelow, Fashion in History (my old college textbook -- just horrible) - Kohler, Dover reprint of 1928 edition (very good for some things, but unreliable in others) - Norris's Tudor volume, original 1938 and also the Dover reprint (I still need to get the medieval one) - Wilton, Book of Costume, 1986 Shep annotated reprint of 1846 edition - Ashdown, original 1910 edition (but now it's out in Dover reprint) - Gorsline, What People Wore, 1952 (not bad as a general overview for beginners, but it's all redrawings) - Lister, Costumes of Everyday Life, 1972 (OK for visual overview but repeats a lot of myths, and all redrawings) - Cremers-van der Does, Agony of Fashion, 1980 (agenda-heavy theory and bad information) - Sage, Study of Costume, 1926 (typical of its time, regurgitated errors) - Lester, Historic Costume, englarged fourth ed. 1956 (ditto), and 1961 edition of same, expanded for later periods by Kerr - Evans, Costume Throughout the Ages, 1930 (ditto) - Laver, Costume and Fashion, 1985 reprint of 1969 ed. (at least this one has some real artwork!) - Laver, Costume through the Ages, 1963, (all redrawings, no text to speak of) - Houston, Medieval Costume in England and France, 1996 Dover reprint of 1939 volume That's less than half of them. I have more like these, plus a number of non-English books, old coffee-table picture books, etc. Again, I only looked at the medieval/Renaiassance sections of these. Some of them might be very good for Victorian! But most of them are in general badly sourced and simply repeat assumptions from previous books. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 26 23:43:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3R3hll4017174 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:43:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3R3hfEJ005327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3R3hFm5064747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3R3hClU092288; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3R3h6wT092201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-221-145.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.221.145] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Jpxn2-0007Cj-Du for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:13:00 +0930 Message-ID: <002501c8a818$c854eef0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:12:57 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Catching up X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fabf05b4-5240-4e97-9831-e3098e61438b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4813F66D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:43:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > 1. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030368.jpg . This is a > skirt section of a dress. The overdress has two panels hanging from the > waist. They are gathered on the hanging end and married by a rosette. My > questions: Is there a period term for these hanging panels? I know I have > seen this same type of treatment for curtains. But I can not even recall > the name for this type of curtains. > > 2. Image: http://www.costumegallery.com/temp/P1030429.jpg . These > medallions are borders on a three-tiered net dress. My question: What is > the name of the type of hand-crochet around the medallions? It is a > cotton thread very similar what is used on doilies. I am so embarrassed > that I can't remember this term. I have made this type of crochet so many > times. It is made by using a double or triple crochet, then chain two or > three and then repeat. There are three rows of this type of crochet > around each medallion. > Hi Penny, is it 'filet' you mean? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 06:26:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RAQr5L013404 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:26:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RAQmL4003090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RAQNEp088373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RAQJOB034068; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RAQF9L033946 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41697 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 10:26:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MComL_gVM1mxsXLPVG383.zYivIgVhvPwNqsE.Pmxv7p_nkdRiIo3Re0f0rd2qgbIyDtUvThv4cu1AUuZ4tCNjdMNGtr4p5bOacWp3polBTk3.IRogB84cP27Ys- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:26:10 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <400429.40667.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ca152bc-e743-4828-a9d4-3526812ca311 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481454E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own?" Books strictly about costume or sewing techniques about 60, including some photocopies. Then I have a large collection of the Rundschau drafting magazines (still not all) and many Burdas (I actually don't know why do I keep buying them when I never use them...I draft all patterns myself). "What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it?" Probably Peacock, I bought it in some bookshop in Germany. "What was your most recent purchase?" Fashion and Fetishism, All about silk, Fashions of the Gilded Age, vol.2 (all arrived at once from amazon) "What do you think was the best deal that you have every made when purchasing a publication?" Probably succeeding to get the original of Medieval costume, armor, and weapons. For costumes, it's not very good, but the armor part is great and, there's a lot of pictures - redrawn, yes, but one could find the original when searching a little. I bought it for $50 fin a second hand bookshop. "About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming?" I don't collect them. "What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you." The only not replaceable book is the already mentioned Medieval costume, armor and weapons, it's kind of a legend in the Czech republic and almost nobody owns it. "What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection!" Probably What people wore or some Czech costume and fashion books that are really terrible. Then Geschichte der Mode im 20.Jhd. is also pretty scary. I would send some to Robin but the books are so awful that they're not even worth the shipping...and, almost none of them is in English. "Do you have a room devoted to your collection?" Not really, the books are in my sewing room. "When did you start collecting?" When I started sewing costumes, about 5 years ago. "Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure?" For pleasure, a bit for business. I sew for customers, so I need some information, but sewing costumes is my real love:-D Optional questions: "How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age?" 3, one is Pfaff about 5 years old, one Janome oveclock (My lock213D) - perhaps 4 years old, and one Veritas about 30years old (an old Czech sewing machine company). I'd need some good sewing machine for straight sewing, maybe I'll buy some industrial sewing machine one day. "How many sewing patterns do you own?" 16, I don't use them much, I rather draft. Except for corsets, these I cannot draft. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 06:36:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RAaC1j013781 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RAa6LA007207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:36:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RAZngA089117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RAZmX8040674; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RAZiP3040563 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74073 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 10:35:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WMORGbgVM1nKCLqYOfS9lKbRutXXBZGJyyYIhdnXFZkUgg7EyJ_9LsSPXzndHzelsy5xl2rFg4Wssc1iSwjzjmMMVVIjS4DQwfSD5dasy3cOKjQJ7L88S_hcvyI- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:35:39 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48134B2D.70301@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <287253.73722.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3127c028-0f21-43c3-84b9-fb1a863dab44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48145716.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FB_GET_MEDS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_OBFUENLARGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yes, I agree, it is always important to say what's your point of interest when judging books. I always tend to judge books with practical instructions like how to make something etc. better than vast theory-based books, even though both can be of the same value. Still, I think that some can be marked as "generally bad" - many of the general costume history books are very superficial in all periods, usually more in the earlier than in the later ones. Thanks for the list - I see I have 3 books from your list...some of them are very unuseful, some can be helpful in very special cases, but over all I think they're a waste of money. Zuzana Robin Netherton wrote:My "bad" might be someone else's useful, particularly if that someone else is doing theatre costume. Also, my focus is on medieval dress, which may or may not be the same as your interest. Some of my favorite "bad" books cover many centuries and probably do a reasonably good job in the later ones, but not in medieval. (This is something that happens a lot with textbooks and survey books, particularly if the author is a specialist in, say, 18th or 19th century and writes the medieval section based on other books without knowing how to spot the errors.) On the other hand: I don't think anyone here would mind if you asked here about specific books you're thinking of buying, and then people who have the book can tell you whether it's useful for specific periods and purposes. FWIW, these are just some of the things on my own "bad" books shelf: - Bigelow, Fashion in History (my old college textbook -- just horrible) - Kohler, Dover reprint of 1928 edition (very good for some things, but unreliable in others) - Norris's Tudor volume, original 1938 and also the Dover reprint (I still need to get the medieval one) - Wilton, Book of Costume, 1986 Shep annotated reprint of 1846 edition - Ashdown, original 1910 edition (but now it's out in Dover reprint) - Gorsline, What People Wore, 1952 (not bad as a general overview for beginners, but it's all redrawings) - Lister, Costumes of Everyday Life, 1972 (OK for visual overview but repeats a lot of myths, and all redrawings) - Cremers-van der Does, Agony of Fashion, 1980 (agenda-heavy theory and bad information) - Sage, Study of Costume, 1926 (typical of its time, regurgitated errors) - Lester, Historic Costume, englarged fourth ed. 1956 (ditto), and 1961 edition of same, expanded for later periods by Kerr - Evans, Costume Throughout the Ages, 1930 (ditto) - Laver, Costume and Fashion, 1985 reprint of 1969 ed. (at least this one has some real artwork!) - Laver, Costume through the Ages, 1963, (all redrawings, no text to speak of) - Houston, Medieval Costume in England and France, 1996 Dover reprint of 1939 volume That's less than half of them. I have more like these, plus a number of non-English books, old coffee-table picture books, etc. Again, I only looked at the medieval/Renaiassance sections of these. Some of them might be very good for Victorian! But most of them are in general badly sourced and simply repeat assumptions from previous books. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 09:54:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RDseEZ021251 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:54:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RDsYSg010769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RDrl9Z001283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RDriPM091563; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:53:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RDrgUO091456 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:53:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JbGT1Z00317UAYkA40Cc00; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:51:50 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jdtb1Z00F0CKaGd8Z00000; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:53:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mgZ2M4202wi7ZMuUE-AA:9 a=fXhsIyPYwJCJ988WnkQA:7 a=N0TuhWbO0KSFhO6w8x_ChJk6EaMA:4 a=7XzaUCe85xoA:10 Message-ID: <01af01c8a86e$174bed60$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c8a5ce$d5db8a80$7101a8c0@momlaptop><16a2233a0804240839n457f6778q585a5b805329b09b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:53:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clarification: Questionaire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2529d09-ac2b-4a4d-818b-da087550355e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4814859B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:54:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Time to come clean...What was the most price of you have ever paid for a book, collection of work, etc. > I think it's a toss-up between $177 for the St. Louis Psalter facsimile (which I wrote to the publisher for), and the ABEGG book, which was something like $160. If I'd thought I might have money I could have had a copy of Christie's English Medieval Embroidery for $1500 about five years ago. *sigh* Jen The most I've ever paid for a book was $132 for Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd. Jen, if it's any comfort--my music-collector-DJ husband once had a copy of the Beatles Butcher Cover in his hands, and it was only $300. But he was young and poor (now he;s middle aged and poor) and he had a car payment he had to make. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 10:09:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RE915G021774 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:09:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RE8sqg015225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:08:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RE8R3e002338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RE8QN4003846; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RE8OgH003732 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JdhB1Z00S0b6N64A102g00; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:08:18 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Je8E1Z0020CKaGd8P00000; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:08:15 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AXrie9_RmGUA:10 a=rgh6IJL2_k4A:10 a=EHLuhbebI_o_G8HFSegA:9 a=Fzu7AMLqmwGv7cVmJ0cA:7 a=qmeOywDyVEc_p67JG82lJ8LRw1UA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Message-ID: <01c601c8a870$22e537b0$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:08:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e6a72bb-76ce-4e04-bfc1-4f90f0cc137b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481488F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This could be really fun to poll the list. Lurkers come out, wherever you are! About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? Not all that many--finances are limited, so I try to only buy the ones that are truly useful to me. Since my costuming interests are strictly 15th-16th century, that helps. Though interests are expanding, and I have done everything from t-tunics to Viking to Elizabethan for customers. I traded a pile of custom-made t-tunics for a pavilion. My first big (and so far biggest) purchase was QEWU, about two years ago. Purchased it from a German seller via ABEbooks. "The Tudor Tailor". Next will be The Medieval Tailor's Assistant and Moda a Firenze. (I may wait and try to get that from Poison Pen Press at Pennsic) ? About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? None What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. QEWU undoubtedly What is the worse costume book that you own? I know Robin has a collection! See above--I have learned enough from other people to not spend my limited funds on books I won't use Do you have a room devoted to your collection? My books are in a bookcase in my sewing room, so not directly, but yes, only computer and sewing activities happen in this room. (I understand there is a whole house attached to this room, but I think it's a dirty lie...) When did you start collecting? About when I found the SCA, so about eight or nine years ago Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? Both Optional questions: How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? I have an old Kenmore that is in need of minor repairs, and 1948 Singer 99k that is gorgeous and runs like a dream, a cheapo Brother that I use on a daily basis, and a Brother PE750D that does strictly embroidery. How many sewing patterns do you own? Not so many any more. I decided it was silly to hang onto most of my Big 3 patterns, when my tastes (and skills!) have gone in a more accurate direction, so I got rid of most of them. I have about 30 from the independent pattern companies (Margo Anderson, Reconstructing History, Alter Years, and Fantasy Fashion) that live in a drawer of my sewing table where they are easily accessible. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 15:34:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RJYBXo003627 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:34:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RJY3Tf009509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:34:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RJXVAm025649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RJXSCQ025207; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RJXPwY025169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.84] (dial-209-148-99-84.sonic.net [209.148.99.84] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RJXNk5026528 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:33:24 -0700 Message-ID: <4814D506.5040203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:33:26 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <453154.17866.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <453154.17866.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 135f901d-fed5-4c95-8b25-b76abd84a442 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4814D52B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is that (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who collect and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot of people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 15:55:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RJtT7N004357 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:55:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RJtOHS001552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RJt8gr027327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RJt709040090; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RJt59N039986 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K0000NCF1ZN2M80@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:54:49 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <4814D506.5040203@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f35a95c-e283-4b22-bbfe-a81473c52b3f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4814DA2C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Fran-- Why is it "depressing" that many of us are in the SCA? In order to participate in the SCA, a person has to wear a "reasonable attempt" at pre-17th C. clothing. A lot of us find there is challenge and fun in going beyond the minimum. I think that it is great that so many go the extra mile for their hobby. Monica Spence In Society known as: Baroness Catriona MacDuff OL,OP,CM,CSC,KoE,QoC,PA,PA,AoA,OSF,OSS East Kingdom -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is that (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who collect and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot of people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 16:06:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RK6cmD004786 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:06:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RK6ReZ018018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:06:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RK65Mw028228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RK64rl047178; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RK60vH047131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.84] (dial-209-148-99-84.sonic.net [209.148.99.84] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RK5woN018841 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:05:59 -0700 Message-ID: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:06:00 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc81befc-cd8f-47b1-ad92-1ec873715401 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4814DCC3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:06:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It's not "depressing" that you are in the SCA, it's "depressing" that other groups do not seem to value books nearly as much. Fran monica spence wrote: > Hi Fran-- > Why is it "depressing" that many of us are in the SCA? > > In order to participate in the SCA, a person has to wear a "reasonable > attempt" at pre-17th C. clothing. A lot of us find there is challenge and > fun in going beyond the minimum. I think that it is great that so many go > the extra mile for their hobby. > > Monica Spence > > In Society known as: > Baroness Catriona MacDuff > OL,OP,CM,CSC,KoE,QoC,PA,PA,AoA,OSF,OSS > East Kingdom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:33 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > > > What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is that > (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who collect > and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot of > people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 16:28:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RKSUYP005607 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:28:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RKSJtG018298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:28:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RKRwlm029870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RKRvjl061031; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RKRs4Z060938 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K0000JQV3IAOB00@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:36 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ae5147a-9f41-44c7-a853-7dec23e99157 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4814E1E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We are just lucky I guess. Most of us garb-and-research-types are book-aholics. She/he who dies with the most books wins the love and undying affection of she/he who inherits the books. :-) Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 4:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own It's not "depressing" that you are in the SCA, it's "depressing" that other groups do not seem to value books nearly as much. Fran monica spence wrote: > Hi Fran-- > Why is it "depressing" that many of us are in the SCA? > > In order to participate in the SCA, a person has to wear a "reasonable > attempt" at pre-17th C. clothing. A lot of us find there is challenge and > fun in going beyond the minimum. I think that it is great that so many go > the extra mile for their hobby. > > Monica Spence > > In Society known as: > Baroness Catriona MacDuff > OL,OP,CM,CSC,KoE,QoC,PA,PA,AoA,OSF,OSS > East Kingdom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:33 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > > > What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is that > (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who collect > and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot of > people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 17:04:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RL4SoZ006947 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:04:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RL4Nh0015972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RL40MS032233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RL3x22083129; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RL3uBo083030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:2736 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JqE2I-00085v-ND for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:03:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> References: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f06e229-99c8-4135-93fc-878c2ce8774c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4814EA57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 21:06 27/04/2008, you wrote: >It's not "depressing" that you are in the SCA, it's "depressing" that >other groups do not seem to value books nearly as much. > >Fran Why does anyone have to be in a "group" to buy costume related books? Suzi > > Hi Fran-- > > Why is it "depressing" that many of us are in the SCA? > > > > In order to participate in the SCA, a person has to wear a "reasonable > > attempt" at pre-17th C. clothing. A lot of us find there is challenge and > > fun in going beyond the minimum. I think that it is great that so many go > > the extra mile for their hobby. > > > > Monica Spence > > > > In Society known as: > > Baroness Catriona MacDuff > > OL,OP,CM,CSC,KoE,QoC,PA,PA,AoA,OSF,OSS > > East Kingdom > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:33 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > > > > > > What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is that > > (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who collect > > and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot of > > people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. > > > > Fran > > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 17:23:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RLNOlU007510 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:23:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RLNJdb023908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:23:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RLN1CD033679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLN04e098194; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19dms3Zp+AJdMlytUrtHTXJQUn8GVQvujk@mail5.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLMv80098144 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3RLMumE018757 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:22:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 30930 invoked by uid 80); 27 Apr 2008 21:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 27 Apr 2008 21:22:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4814EF26.5030000@netherton.net> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:24:54 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3665f3c1-2dae-4779-b746-8feb56d7e607 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4814EEC7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:23:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 21:06 27/04/2008, you wrote: >> It's not "depressing" that you are in the SCA, it's "depressing" that >> other groups do not seem to value books nearly as much. >> >> Fran > > Why does anyone have to be in a "group" to buy costume related books? What may be misleading is that a large proportion of the people on this list work in the medieval and Renaissance periods, so most of the people answering have been mentioning books from those periods. Many of those people are in the SCA, which is understandable given the size of the organization compared with other "groups." So the impression may be more a question of the proportional representation on this list than anything intrinsic to a specific group or study of a particular period. I am not in the SCA or any other group, but I work only on medieval clothing, so my answers reflected that. I have lots and lots of books. It's the nature of my work. It's also the nature of Penny's work (she having started this thread, and she also specializes in periods later than medieval -- which is why she has lots of photos and magazines, and I don't!). The nature of someone else's work might be served by a very narrow set of references, depending on type of the costuming they do and the availability of sources. And a lot of people have to choose between books and fabric. You can't get fabric (or sewing machines!) from the library, so that often is where the money has to go. It doesn't mean these people aren't using books. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 17:47:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RLlbqh008269 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RLlWAf019550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:47:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RLlKvq035092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLlKlu015920; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLlGIK015851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.144] (dial-209-148-100-144.sonic.net [209.148.100.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RLlEPO014474 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:47:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4814F464.3080806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:47:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da57ad98-1224-4b02-bdaa-a5e2c58c843b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4814F474.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:47:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Why does anyone have to be in a "group" to buy costume related books? In terms of marketing demographics, everyone is in a group or multiple groups whether they consider themselves members of such a group or not. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 17:48:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RLmeHK008307 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:48:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RLmZdr020080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RLm82s035125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLm8fl016493; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLm51a016400 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W17 ([65.55.138.52]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:48:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:48:00 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2008 21:48:00.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CD14C30:01C8A8B0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7de6b9e-e6db-4c0d-aa95-f9df54effa46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4814F4B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks http://saragrace.us/images/Misc/Unknown.pdf Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 17:59:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RLxAeD008701 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:59:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RLx5im025001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:59:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RLw9j1035834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RLw8VE023682; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RLw4lZ023576 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2008 21:57:59 -0000 Received: from p548E5CD9.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.92.217] by mail.gmx.net (mp050) with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 23:57:59 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zqRQdMl3zEeh64+374FymGn5/ABS68Sb35B2ORY 4Tj1iAV6RgQZeF X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:58:32 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aeaf903c-86e6-457a-95cf-067627ab4b31 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4814F729.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:59:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It=B4s in "Medieval Costume in England and France" by Mary G. Houston. Hanna At 23:48 27.04.2008, you wrote: >I was going through my "future project files" = >and came across this. I love it, but don't = >remember where it comes from. The book, and the = >painting it is illustrated from. Thanks > >http://saragrace.us/images/Misc/Unknown.pdf > >Sg >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 18:05:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RM57bX008895 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:05:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RM52Rt007529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RM4juv036363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RM4iO7030900; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RM4flc030773 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65812 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 22:04:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nfrbcIUVM1kTeZBfBNGibBFqP35TjgdpZW1cxCJvCHUmNUv1gS_MuDmkxkddllvXdQ-- Received: from [75.90.113.113] by web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:04:36 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky Simpson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <116265.65559.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of books & magazines....... 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Vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 18:17:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RMHoLN009286 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:17:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RMHj1G013328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RMHN1o037144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMHNZP039077; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMHKWH038988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:2891 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JqFBL-0005WI-35 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:17:15 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080427231419.0383a758@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:17:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <116265.65559.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <116265.65559.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of books & magazines....... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd28e3a4-7f79-4009-90f1-44412ba16cb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4814FB89.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:17:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 23:04 27/04/2008, you wrote: >Are there any costuming magazines worthy of reading? I haven't found any. > > Vicky "Costume" the annual journal of The Costume Society http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/ in the U.K. is full of articles, both learned and practical, book reviews etc. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 18:24:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RMOSeU009495 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:24:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RMOFMb021617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:24:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RMNksC037648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMNjUf043359; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMNgLs043318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3RMNfPo024860 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:23:41 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ca3bff0-79b8-4520-a455-105bde5580ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4814FD0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:24:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > > We are just lucky I guess. Most of us garb-and-research-types are > book-aholics. She/he who dies with the most books wins the love > and undying > affection of she/he who inherits the books. :-) > Monica Truer words were never written :-) I have to watch my back around some of my friends who know the books will be offered to them first when they carry me out of my house. Then there are the ones who complacently watch my fabric stash grow to huge proportions (live near two Pendleton Woolen Mills seconds stores and come from Pendleton. At $3.99 a yard Pendleton wool can be cheaper than either dead dinosaur or cotton!). Certainly I have more than I'm likely to use in the next 20 years or so. Fancy sewing machines mean the "new" 1911 Singer Treadle I just got from Good Will with every attachment ever made to that time plus the original manual. Then there is the 1929 Singer electric/hand crank, or the 1960 Touch and Sew, or the 1960 Morris, or the 1981 Pfaff or... (Housemate is glaring and insisting that there are no more sewing machines to come to the house. She doesn't mention the three that she has rescued in the last year - chuckle!) I actually think that the fact that the SCA and it's offshoots in the re-enactment and Renn Faire arenas are the reason why many books see publication at all. Dress in the Court of Henry VIII was eagerly welcomed by David Brown/Oxbow books when Maney Publishing came up with the idea. They knew it would sell like gangbusters, and it has. Maney publishing is eager to hear from the book buying public about what we would like to see and spend money on. The museum in Italy that put out Moda was evidently completely surprised at the way it was received. Rumor has it that there will be a companion volume on male clothing from that same era now they know it will sell. The same is true of books on Medieval and Renaissance cooking and some of the more "off the wall" cookbooks. Who would think that a hardworking Family Assistance program manager would put out $125 for a translation of a 13th century Mongolian cookbook? (Well, the actual sale price was $225 when the idiots got through with messing with the number published and who would buy it but Barnes and Noble made the mistake of sending out a few at the lower price.) The answer is that SCA members and those who have fallen under their spell would. Any market is better than no market and a new generation is growing up that will never think to thank us for creating it. They will think that it's obvious that someone would be interested in the grave finds on the Isle of Man, or the cut and construction of Spanish clothing in 1578. Wanda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 18:27:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RMRgRo009584 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:27:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RMRbvA023060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RMRLpD037875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMRLbx045748; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RMRIbA045656 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10888 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 22:27:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w3kt_FoVM1ktzQLsJk_DneEQ_f9i2A2y1gvho54DaZqGSwNqAsMlOj2NU4Vo_sbgoGRJs9nHlSUUYThabkOwksIVmH7vHMyOzV_Id5zyMBDHDBDyvrVmfcnY3g-- Received: from [75.172.173.66] by web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:27:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <80490.9225.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e0d1c4d-2126-4280-aac1-fa9be3bc5b72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4814FDD9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cactus --- On Sun, 4/27/08, Lavolta Press wrote: > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 2:06 PM > It's not "depressing" that you are in the SCA, > it's "depressing" that > other groups do not seem to value books nearly as much. > > Fran > > monica spence wrote: > > Hi Fran-- > > Why is it "depressing" that many of us are > in the SCA? > > > > In order to participate in the SCA, a person has to > wear a "reasonable > > attempt" at pre-17th C. clothing. A lot of us > find there is challenge and > > fun in going beyond the minimum. I think that it is > great that so many go > > the extra mile for their hobby. > > > > Monica Spence > > > > In Society known as: > > Baroness Catriona MacDuff > > OL,OP,CM,CSC,KoE,QoC,PA,PA,AoA,OSF,OSS > > East Kingdom > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:33 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume > Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > > > > > > What I find both interesting and depressing in this > discussion is that > > (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the > people who collect > > and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA > and (b) a lot of > > people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing > machines. > > > > Fran > > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 18:35:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RMZ1Xx009776 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:35:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RMYtAE025584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:34:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RMYd6m038398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMYbxx050238; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RMYYEW050168 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75686 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 22:34:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Rbpw8WoVM1m4ltQ7kCZFByC5.YdPrlqEjqIFIWJ_cJoa62o6Y6eefdM.VOyHNQ0RlarV6hmUMMbQMdqfpBMQlgkoJNPG4fjZbc8SkIQbJrr834TENC3p5JA.DA-- Received: from [75.172.173.66] by web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:34:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4814FDE9.9080307@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <875415.75060.qm@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a1fac72-8735-420e-9188-64227c1bea59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4814FF8F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:34:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For someone so gungho on authenticity, I am surprised that you would do period (whatever that may be) embroidery by machine rather than by hand. Cactus --- On Sun, 4/27/08, Lavolta Press wrote: > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 4:27 PM > " to buy costume related books? > > > > What may be misleading is that a large proportion of > the people on this list > > work in the medieval and Renaissance periods, so most > of the people answering > > have been mentioning books from those periods. > > Perhaps a large proportion but not necessarily a majority. > In a > multi-era e-list, SCA members are usually the most vocal, > therefore they > often seem like a higher proportion of a group than they > really are. > > Many of those people are in the > > SCA, which is understandable given the size of the > organization compared with > > other "groups." So the impression may be > more a question of the proportional > > representation on this list than anything intrinsic to > a specific group or > > study of a particular period. > > I belong to almost 100 Yahoo lists for historic costume and > reenactment, > and have for some years. Though, admittedly, I do not > receive direct > email from the vast majority of them, and these days, > don't have time to > drop into their website archives more often than once every > few months. > > However, my impression is that SCA members are the group > most inclined > to research and with the highest understanding of what > research actually > consists of. That is, they are the least likely to do > things like assume > that original sources are always 100% accurate and > unbiased, that > secondary sources are always useless, and so on. They are > the most > likely to assume that a multi-era e-group is "for > them," often throwing > out references to things like "Is X in period?" > under the assumption > that everyone on the e-list is always talking about some > SCA period. > However, they tend to be more interested in a variety of > time periods > and types of clothing within the SCA time frame. They tend > to spend the > most money on books, and buying the most expensive ones is > a status > symbol, as is buying other expensive things (such as > fabric) that help > in some way with an SCA "impression." > > Although I've had less contact with them, 18th-century > reenactors strike > me as the group next most interested in research and in > books. > > Early 19th-century reenactors come third, with an interest > in "original > sources," but tending to confine them to sources > approved by some group, > and especially reprints of diaries and other personal > accounts. > > The Civil War reenactors are a very large group but with > few exceptions, > tend not to be very interested in books or research. They > seem to regard > it as somehow virtuous to be conspicuously disinterested in > everything > beyond their immediate and very narrow time frame and > geographic area, > thus tend to lack a sense of context. They are conformist > in ideas, and > rely heavily on the system of one group > "authority" reading a book and > giving them a set of approved ideas to worth with. All > reenactment > communities do this to some extent, but the CW reenactors > are the most > likely to come onto an e-group and say, "What is OK > for me to wear? I > want to 'fit in,'" rather than doing any > research or original thinking > themselves. They also seem to have less formal education > than the other > groups, judging by how they write, spell, etc. > > > > > I am not in the SCA or any other group, but I work > only on medieval clothing, > > so my answers reflected that. I have lots and lots of > books. It's the nature > > of my work. It's also the nature of Penny's > work (she having started this > > thread, and she also specializes in periods later than > medieval -- which is > > why she has lots of photos and magazines, and I > don't!). > > I'm not in the SCA or any other reenactment group, but > it's also the > nature of my work to have lots of books and magazines, and > I also > collect vintage clothing. I don't have nearly as many > photos as perhaps > I should. They are mostly ones my parents bought at estate > auctions, I > haven't gone in for buying them myself. > > > > > The nature of someone else's work might be > served by a very narrow set of > > references, depending on type of the costuming they do > and the availability of > > sources. > > And very often it is. But because my lifelong profession > has always been > various aspects of writing, editing, and publishing, > naturally I like > people to want to read lots of books. Everyone working in > publishing > wants people to read lots of books. Not only for marketing > reasons, but > people who read a lot usually believe that reading is > enjoyable, > educational, and generally a good thing. > > > > > And a lot of people have to choose between books and > fabric. You can't get > > fabric (or sewing machines!) from the library, so that > often is where the > > money has to go. It doesn't mean these people > aren't using books. > > I admit, I not only think books are where the money should > go, I would > always rather own the book, if at all possible, than go to > a library. I > like things right at hand where I can reach them instantly. > > I have a lot of fabric and lace too, but only one sewing > machine. I've > always sold the old one when I bought a new one. I hate the > idea of a > serger. I understand that many people find them very > useful, but I don't > want one myself. > > I'm going to buy an embroidery machine, though, when we > move to a bigger > house and have room for one. I want one that will do big > motifs and > where I am not using canned patterns, but where I can > create my own with > an embroidery graphics program, one that interfaces with my > PC. I'd like > to scan in antique patterns from magazines and apply > stitches to them > with a graphics program. I understand that the ordinary > graphics > programs I use, which these days are mostly Corel > PhotoPaint and Corel > Draw, don't apply stitches to embroidery patterns. > Corel has a special > program for that which I have not really looked into, but > I'm biased in > its favor anyway because it's Corel's. I have not > looked into the > hardware all that much yet because buying a sewing or > embroidery machine > these days is partly buying a computer; and with a computer > both the > features and the prices change so rapidly, that it > doesn't pay to > research too far in advance. I'm open to suggestions > though. I could > either get an embroidery sewing machine--if it does big > motifs and > allows me to create patterns--and sell my current > Husqvarna, or get a > dedicated embroidery machine. > > I admit it, I want a low-tech knitting machine too, since I > love knitted > garments but have never cared for knitting. I used to > crochet and I > enjoyed it a lot, but there is something about hand > knitting that has > never appealed to me. Maybe it's just that I need to > sit down and work > on it some more, but having a knitting machine also > appeals. It seems > rather like weaving and though I quit weaving when we moved > here and had > to put the loom in the garage, since there wasn't > enough room for it in > my sewing room, I really loved the process. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 18:50:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RMobju010222 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:50:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RMoW9i012181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:50:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RMo9iJ039453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMo9j7058810; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RMo65s058738 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32128 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 22:50:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KrVICQ8VM1kD4omCnq0nG_N.rKglATXqLzaUv2GlHmU0Ejmgnd9PI3E32ieGPHZMi79ErV02Mrr1.TuQQmL_EpQmpfHVqupVRe1UphriXAl_lL.4dGc7WmJF9lk- Received: from [75.90.113.113] by web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:50:00 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky Simpson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080427231419.0383a758@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <749904.31778.qm@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of books & magazines....... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 974cb09a-23d2-4776-b7a5-c3462945c78d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48150338.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks, I'll check into it. Vicky Suzi Clarke wrote: At 23:04 27/04/2008, you wrote: >Are there any costuming magazines worthy of reading? I haven't found any. > > Vicky "Costume" the annual journal of The Costume Society http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/ in the U.K. is full of articles, both learned and practical, book reviews etc. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:10:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNA1Tv010968 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:10:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RN9uMB031953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RN9gSr040550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RN9fkl070593; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RN9bfw070462 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47610 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 23:09:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RDhlKhwVM1ldBY4up6VDJGLTy0W5uiviiPXuyuLYAZKXJj6Dpwja52hp2YBAj.gDGhBZzeCFtMBslWxaNOmI8iI6C0WuspseBItjqCG3iLM0SR9B8ltWHVjE27c- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:09:31 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4814FDE9.9080307@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <856128.47339.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c89ccfb-b8ea-4b85-a783-573c63fe40a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481507C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO "That is, they are the least likely to do things like assume that original sources are always 100% accurate and unbiased, that secondary sources are always useless, and so on." I must disagree. You definitely cannot rely on secondary sources, but it can be very interesting and you can learn many points of view, many opinions, by just reading them. By the way, some authors have done good research that can save your time in finding sources, relations, etc. You can always go deep in research by searching for the primary sources cited in the book. Here I should say that a book with no given primary sources really could be almost useless. Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:10:26 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNAQkL010988 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:10:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNAI0T017420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:10:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RN9uYL040565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RN9ugr070759; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RN9fxk070584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.84] (dial-209-148-101-84.sonic.net [209.148.101.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RN9c2o023390 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: <481507B4.9000705@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:09:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 911718c0-939d-489b-b3fc-2b9d83f44833 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481507DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:10:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Truer words were never written :-) I have to watch my back around some of > my friends who know the books will be offered to them first when they carry > me out of my house. Unless I predecease my husband and he wants to sell my books, I'm going to find a university library willing to house my collection (rather than selling it for general funding), and leave it to them. I would like this to be a library that does not already have a large collection of such books. My husband and I do not have wills and I suppose we ought to, though neither of us is expecting to die for some decades. Then there are the ones who complacently watch my > fabric stash grow to huge proportions (live near two Pendleton Woolen Mills > seconds stores and come from Pendleton. At $3.99 a yard Pendleton wool can > be cheaper than either dead dinosaur or cotton!). Certainly I have more > than I'm likely to use in the next 20 years or so. I've never gone in for wool. I'm not technically allergic to it (when I was weaving a lot I got an allergy test), but it irritates my skin. I think mohair is a nightmare. Cashmere is perfectly fine. The softer woolens (from sheep) are OK if I wear them with enough layers of clothing under them, but I don't want to handle them enough to sew with them. So I sew with cottons, linens, silks, and a few rayons. There are a few polyester brocades and embroidered fabrics that looked so great to me I have ignored their fiber content, especially if it was partly a natural fiber/blend. > > Fancy sewing machines mean the "new" 1911 Singer Treadle I just got from > Good Will with every attachment ever made to that time plus the original > manual. I learned to sew on a treadle when I was a kid, and later I had an early electric tabletop Singer with a bentwood case. Both had a great straight stitch, were incredibly sturdy and ran very smoothly after my father restored them. But these days I like a higher-tech machine, and I don't want to buy another old machine just to get a perfect straight stitch. I don't want to collect sewing machines, I have way too much other stuff in the house. > I actually think that the fact that the SCA and it's offshoots in the > re-enactment and Renn Faire arenas are the reason why many books see > publication at all. Dress in the Court of Henry VIII was eagerly welcomed > by David Brown/Oxbow books when Maney Publishing came up with the idea. > They knew it would sell like gangbusters, and it has. And do you have the sales figures on (a) what "gangbusters" consists of in terms of both units sold and profits realized, and (b) how many of these copies were actually sold to SCA members? Even the larger reenactor markets are not great sales markets. I find theatrical costumers to be a much larger, more profitable, and more reliable market. They will usually buy a book if they think it will facilitate their work; in other words, if they have a real professional need for it. Hobbyists usually pay less and are less likely to buy rather than borrow, or to not read the book at all. Maney publishing is > eager to hear from the book buying public about what we would like to see > and spend money on. Every publisher with any sense does marketing research (especially if they don't have to pay for a survey) and is delighted to find additional markets, no matter how secondary. Many successful books, particularly those without an inherently large audience--which includes most scholarly books--have several markets. That does not mean that the SCA is the only or main market of Maney Publishing, or anyone else outside the SCA community. I've lost track of how many members the SCA has, but last time I checked it was a few thousand. By publishing standards, that's tiny, considering that something like one to five percent of people in a target market actually buy. Compare a small percentage of the SCA membership against the (widely trumpted) sales for something like the Harry Potter books, and you'll have some idea how sales for a very-narrow-niche book might compare to sales for a mainstream book, that is a book that could potentially sell to anyone. > >The answer is that SCA members and those who have fallen > under their spell would. Let's put it this way: I publish and sell narrow-niche books, and the SCA-only market is not large enough to make me all that interested in it. For costume books with patterns, there is a solid if niche bread-and-butter market of professional costumers who will buy them because they need them, and that's what we really rely on. > > Any market is better than no market No, it is not. Unless a market is a certain size compared to the costs of book publication, the book is not worth publishing. Unless a publisher is subsidized by a nonprofit, they simply cannot lose money and still stay in business. Publishers do not generally publish a book and then find a market for it. That is much too risky and expensive. They do considerable research to find out how many members of a target market or markets there are, where to locate them, and so on, before even beginning work on a book. An author submitting a book proposal has to do a lot of this work before the publisher will even consider the proposal. And a great many books are sold on the basis of proposals. The chance of rejection everywhere/nonpublication is often pretty high; so the author just writes an outline, a chapter or two, and does that all-important marketing research to try and get a contract, before even writing the book. Before offering a contract to the author, the publisher does more research, extrapolates from the sales volume of their other books, and so on. It has to look like the economics will work out from the very beginning. Granted, some books are financial failures even given extensive marketing research, but not doing the marketing research is usually a recipe for a real disaster. And granted, there are some books that do not have to be profitable because their publication is subsidized by museums or other nonprofit organizations. There are many books that would probably be valuable cultural contributions that will never be published either because the market for them is not large enough, or because their authors did not do enough marketing research to convince the publisher of it. and a new generation is growing up that > will never think to thank us for creating it. They will think that it's > obvious that someone would be interested in the grave finds on the Isle of > Man, or the cut and construction of Spanish clothing in 1578. As I said, I really doubt the SCA is solely responsible or even mainly responsible for supporting most scholarly books on the SCA period. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:11:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNBM1e011015 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNBGcd032439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RMRvFi037913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMRvl9046172; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RMRsgc046138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.84] (dial-209-148-101-84.sonic.net [209.148.101.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RMRpIK025867 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:27:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4814FDE9.9080307@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:27:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> <4814EF26.5030000@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4814EF26.5030000@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9704f43-f27b-49c4-be9f-4524b992a2cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48150814.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO " to buy costume related books? > > What may be misleading is that a large proportion of the people on this list > work in the medieval and Renaissance periods, so most of the people answering > have been mentioning books from those periods. Perhaps a large proportion but not necessarily a majority. In a multi-era e-list, SCA members are usually the most vocal, therefore they often seem like a higher proportion of a group than they really are. Many of those people are in the > SCA, which is understandable given the size of the organization compared with > other "groups." So the impression may be more a question of the proportional > representation on this list than anything intrinsic to a specific group or > study of a particular period. I belong to almost 100 Yahoo lists for historic costume and reenactment, and have for some years. Though, admittedly, I do not receive direct email from the vast majority of them, and these days, don't have time to drop into their website archives more often than once every few months. However, my impression is that SCA members are the group most inclined to research and with the highest understanding of what research actually consists of. That is, they are the least likely to do things like assume that original sources are always 100% accurate and unbiased, that secondary sources are always useless, and so on. They are the most likely to assume that a multi-era e-group is "for them," often throwing out references to things like "Is X in period?" under the assumption that everyone on the e-list is always talking about some SCA period. However, they tend to be more interested in a variety of time periods and types of clothing within the SCA time frame. They tend to spend the most money on books, and buying the most expensive ones is a status symbol, as is buying other expensive things (such as fabric) that help in some way with an SCA "impression." Although I've had less contact with them, 18th-century reenactors strike me as the group next most interested in research and in books. Early 19th-century reenactors come third, with an interest in "original sources," but tending to confine them to sources approved by some group, and especially reprints of diaries and other personal accounts. The Civil War reenactors are a very large group but with few exceptions, tend not to be very interested in books or research. They seem to regard it as somehow virtuous to be conspicuously disinterested in everything beyond their immediate and very narrow time frame and geographic area, thus tend to lack a sense of context. They are conformist in ideas, and rely heavily on the system of one group "authority" reading a book and giving them a set of approved ideas to worth with. All reenactment communities do this to some extent, but the CW reenactors are the most likely to come onto an e-group and say, "What is OK for me to wear? I want to 'fit in,'" rather than doing any research or original thinking themselves. They also seem to have less formal education than the other groups, judging by how they write, spell, etc. > > I am not in the SCA or any other group, but I work only on medieval clothing, > so my answers reflected that. I have lots and lots of books. It's the nature > of my work. It's also the nature of Penny's work (she having started this > thread, and she also specializes in periods later than medieval -- which is > why she has lots of photos and magazines, and I don't!). I'm not in the SCA or any other reenactment group, but it's also the nature of my work to have lots of books and magazines, and I also collect vintage clothing. I don't have nearly as many photos as perhaps I should. They are mostly ones my parents bought at estate auctions, I haven't gone in for buying them myself. > > The nature of someone else's work might be served by a very narrow set of > references, depending on type of the costuming they do and the availability of > sources. And very often it is. But because my lifelong profession has always been various aspects of writing, editing, and publishing, naturally I like people to want to read lots of books. Everyone working in publishing wants people to read lots of books. Not only for marketing reasons, but people who read a lot usually believe that reading is enjoyable, educational, and generally a good thing. > > And a lot of people have to choose between books and fabric. You can't get > fabric (or sewing machines!) from the library, so that often is where the > money has to go. It doesn't mean these people aren't using books. I admit, I not only think books are where the money should go, I would always rather own the book, if at all possible, than go to a library. I like things right at hand where I can reach them instantly. I have a lot of fabric and lace too, but only one sewing machine. I've always sold the old one when I bought a new one. I hate the idea of a serger. I understand that many people find them very useful, but I don't want one myself. I'm going to buy an embroidery machine, though, when we move to a bigger house and have room for one. I want one that will do big motifs and where I am not using canned patterns, but where I can create my own with an embroidery graphics program, one that interfaces with my PC. I'd like to scan in antique patterns from magazines and apply stitches to them with a graphics program. I understand that the ordinary graphics programs I use, which these days are mostly Corel PhotoPaint and Corel Draw, don't apply stitches to embroidery patterns. Corel has a special program for that which I have not really looked into, but I'm biased in its favor anyway because it's Corel's. I have not looked into the hardware all that much yet because buying a sewing or embroidery machine these days is partly buying a computer; and with a computer both the features and the prices change so rapidly, that it doesn't pay to research too far in advance. I'm open to suggestions though. I could either get an embroidery sewing machine--if it does big motifs and allows me to create patterns--and sell my current Husqvarna, or get a dedicated embroidery machine. I admit it, I want a low-tech knitting machine too, since I love knitted garments but have never cared for knitting. I used to crochet and I enjoyed it a lot, but there is something about hand knitting that has never appealed to me. Maybe it's just that I need to sit down and work on it some more, but having a knitting machine also appeals. It seems rather like weaving and though I quit weaving when we moved here and had to put the loom in the garage, since there wasn't enough room for it in my sewing room, I really loved the process. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:18:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNIJnX011231 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:18:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNIC3f019989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:18:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RNHsW4040997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNHsxC076030; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNHoBw075998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:17:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.84] (dial-209-148-101-84.sonic.net [209.148.101.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RNHl8V025762 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: <4815099E.1010702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:17:50 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <875415.75060.qm@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <875415.75060.qm@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4caecc67-47a7-494a-b24d-702975fca0d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481509B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Actually, I'm not an authenticity police person, as my books should tell you, if you've read them. For example, although I have entirely hand-sewn a few undergarments and accessories, and enjoyed it, I sew most repros by machine. The reality is that I do not have all day long to sew. I need to work on producing and marketing books, and making an income thereby. I don't have as much time as I'd like to sew, and with the time I have, I'd rather be sewing than doing hand embroidery. Besides, I love techno-toys and modern equipment. I adore buying a new computer. Buying an embroidery machine and software to go with it, and learning the software, is the kind of thing that I really enjoy. I don't think everyone has to conform to my personal standards of costume authenticity, and I have absolutely zero obligation to conform to yours or anyone else's. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Shirley Hobbs wrote: > For someone so gungho on authenticity, I am surprised that you would do period (whatever that may be) embroidery by machine rather than by hand. > > Cactus > > > --- On Sun, 4/27/08, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> From: Lavolta Press >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 4:27 PM >> " to buy costume related books? >>> What may be misleading is that a large proportion of >> the people on this list >>> work in the medieval and Renaissance periods, so most >> of the people answering >>> have been mentioning books from those periods. >> Perhaps a large proportion but not necessarily a majority. >> In a >> multi-era e-list, SCA members are usually the most vocal, >> therefore they >> often seem like a higher proportion of a group than they >> really are. >> >> Many of those people are in the >>> SCA, which is understandable given the size of the >> organization compared with >>> other "groups." So the impression may be >> more a question of the proportional >>> representation on this list than anything intrinsic to >> a specific group or >>> study of a particular period. >> I belong to almost 100 Yahoo lists for historic costume and >> reenactment, >> and have for some years. Though, admittedly, I do not >> receive direct >> email from the vast majority of them, and these days, >> don't have time to >> drop into their website archives more often than once every >> few months. >> >> However, my impression is that SCA members are the group >> most inclined >> to research and with the highest understanding of what >> research actually >> consists of. That is, they are the least likely to do >> things like assume >> that original sources are always 100% accurate and >> unbiased, that >> secondary sources are always useless, and so on. They are >> the most >> likely to assume that a multi-era e-group is "for >> them," often throwing >> out references to things like "Is X in period?" >> under the assumption >> that everyone on the e-list is always talking about some >> SCA period. >> However, they tend to be more interested in a variety of >> time periods >> and types of clothing within the SCA time frame. They tend >> to spend the >> most money on books, and buying the most expensive ones is >> a status >> symbol, as is buying other expensive things (such as >> fabric) that help >> in some way with an SCA "impression." >> >> Although I've had less contact with them, 18th-century >> reenactors strike >> me as the group next most interested in research and in >> books. >> >> Early 19th-century reenactors come third, with an interest >> in "original >> sources," but tending to confine them to sources >> approved by some group, >> and especially reprints of diaries and other personal >> accounts. >> >> The Civil War reenactors are a very large group but with >> few exceptions, >> tend not to be very interested in books or research. They >> seem to regard >> it as somehow virtuous to be conspicuously disinterested in >> everything >> beyond their immediate and very narrow time frame and >> geographic area, >> thus tend to lack a sense of context. They are conformist >> in ideas, and >> rely heavily on the system of one group >> "authority" reading a book and >> giving them a set of approved ideas to worth with. All >> reenactment >> communities do this to some extent, but the CW reenactors >> are the most >> likely to come onto an e-group and say, "What is OK >> for me to wear? I >> want to 'fit in,'" rather than doing any >> research or original thinking >> themselves. They also seem to have less formal education >> than the other >> groups, judging by how they write, spell, etc. >> >>> I am not in the SCA or any other group, but I work >> only on medieval clothing, >>> so my answers reflected that. I have lots and lots of >> books. It's the nature >>> of my work. It's also the nature of Penny's >> work (she having started this >>> thread, and she also specializes in periods later than >> medieval -- which is >>> why she has lots of photos and magazines, and I >> don't!). >> >> I'm not in the SCA or any other reenactment group, but >> it's also the >> nature of my work to have lots of books and magazines, and >> I also >> collect vintage clothing. I don't have nearly as many >> photos as perhaps >> I should. They are mostly ones my parents bought at estate >> auctions, I >> haven't gone in for buying them myself. >> >> >>>> The nature of someone else's work might be >> served by a very narrow set of >>> references, depending on type of the costuming they do >> and the availability of >>> sources. >> And very often it is. But because my lifelong profession >> has always been >> various aspects of writing, editing, and publishing, >> naturally I like >> people to want to read lots of books. Everyone working in >> publishing >> wants people to read lots of books. Not only for marketing >> reasons, but >> people who read a lot usually believe that reading is >> enjoyable, >> educational, and generally a good thing. >> >>> And a lot of people have to choose between books and >> fabric. You can't get >>> fabric (or sewing machines!) from the library, so that >> often is where the >>> money has to go. It doesn't mean these people >> aren't using books. >> >> I admit, I not only think books are where the money should >> go, I would >> always rather own the book, if at all possible, than go to >> a library. I >> like things right at hand where I can reach them instantly. >> >> I have a lot of fabric and lace too, but only one sewing >> machine. I've >> always sold the old one when I bought a new one. I hate the >> idea of a >> serger. I understand that many people find them very >> useful, but I don't >> want one myself. >> >> I'm going to buy an embroidery machine, though, when we >> move to a bigger >> house and have room for one. I want one that will do big >> motifs and >> where I am not using canned patterns, but where I can >> create my own with >> an embroidery graphics program, one that interfaces with my >> PC. I'd like >> to scan in antique patterns from magazines and apply >> stitches to them >> with a graphics program. I understand that the ordinary >> graphics >> programs I use, which these days are mostly Corel >> PhotoPaint and Corel >> Draw, don't apply stitches to embroidery patterns. >> Corel has a special >> program for that which I have not really looked into, but >> I'm biased in >> its favor anyway because it's Corel's. I have not >> looked into the >> hardware all that much yet because buying a sewing or >> embroidery machine >> these days is partly buying a computer; and with a computer >> both the >> features and the prices change so rapidly, that it >> doesn't pay to >> research too far in advance. I'm open to suggestions >> though. I could >> either get an embroidery sewing machine--if it does big >> motifs and >> allows me to create patterns--and sell my current >> Husqvarna, or get a >> dedicated embroidery machine. >> >> I admit it, I want a low-tech knitting machine too, since I >> love knitted >> garments but have never cared for knitting. I used to >> crochet and I >> enjoyed it a lot, but there is something about hand >> knitting that has >> never appealed to me. Maybe it's just that I need to >> sit down and work >> on it some more, but having a knitting machine also >> appeals. It seems >> rather like weaving and though I quit weaving when we moved >> here and had >> to put the loom in the garage, since there wasn't >> enough room for it in >> my sewing room, I really loved the process. >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:21:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNL5TU011345 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNL00g023070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RNKdg3041166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNKcwa077898; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3RNKaCU077822 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20173 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2008 23:20:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gmvscDEVM1mOlUFORErnIn6fhEcmR6I_JcB2odlwOLKukuh4pCwM4BmhzMHucP.60OJHEmmKZTO9JPK4X0YcKAoHHoZEHEjAMETRRB8n0VoW24wDuj1IT2vVzb0- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:20:30 PDT Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4814FDE9.9080307@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <832494.19754.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery machines, was: How Many Costume Books... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6297cf5b-60d0-43f2-b8a8-4eed63b86d89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48150A5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You don't need a specific embroidery sewing machine to create a custom embroidery pattern. You just need to have the right software, which is usually quite expensive (but not so much compared to the embroidery machine itself) and it takes a LOT of time to make your desired pattern. There are some digitizing programs that somehow transfer a graphic to an embroidery file, but since I don't own it I don't really know how it works. You only have to know what file types your machine can read and save your graphic in that format. Be sure to check all this before purchasing the embroidery machine and software. Zuzana P.S.: I use Embird, it's affordable and does a good job, they also have some digitizing studio plug-in, but I haven't used it. It might, however, happen that this program will be too simple for you. I'm going to buy an embroidery machine, though, when we move to a bigger house and have room for one. I want one that will do big motifs and where I am not using canned patterns, but where I can create my own with an embroidery graphics program, one that interfaces with my PC. I'd like to scan in antique patterns from magazines and apply stitches to them with a graphics program. I understand that the ordinary graphics programs I use, which these days are mostly Corel PhotoPaint and Corel Draw, don't apply stitches to embroidery patterns. Corel has a special program for that which I have not really looked into, but I'm biased in its favor anyway because it's Corel's. I have not looked into the hardware all that much yet because buying a sewing or embroidery machine these days is partly buying a computer; and with a computer both the features and the prices change so rapidly, that it doesn't pay to research too far in advance. I'm open to suggestions though. I could either get an embroidery sewing machine--if it does big motifs and allows me to create patterns--and sell my current Husqvarna, or get a dedicated embroidery machine. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:39:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNdYBP012117 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:39:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNdT5h026368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RNd91c042425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNd8Ws090216; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNd4jP090129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.25] (dial-209-148-99-25.sonic.net [209.148.99.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RNd2Wc012672 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:39:03 -0700 Message-ID: <48150E98.2040600@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:39:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <856128.47339.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <856128.47339.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86ce3f73-e9b9-47d2-b3a2-e5851dabb01d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48150EB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:39:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > "That is, they are the least likely to do things like assume > that original sources are always 100% accurate and unbiased, that > secondary sources are always useless, and so on." > > I must disagree. You definitely cannot rely on secondary sources, What I meant is that you can't unthinkingly _rely_ on any source whatever, primary or secondary. They all have to be viewed analytically, with attention to their limitations, biases, intent, and so on. I was educated as a historian and believe me, historians spend a great deal of time not only analyzing but creating secondary sources. Many reenactors think that if someone "in period"--whatever period it is--said something, that of course they are knowledgeable, unbiased, and truthful. Not so. It is also "not so," that anyone who writes a secondary source, that is one that relies on primary sources, is automatically full of BS. One way to look at it is, to give an example: Suppose you analyze half a dozen newspapers and find ads for fabrics/materials for sale, which is the kind of primary-source research many reenactors do. OK, maybe you've found out something. Now, suppose someone else spends several years combing hundreds of newspapers for such ads published in a certain geographic area and during a certain time period, and compiles a statistical study that includes every single ad they found in those papers. They also do research to study why certain materials were more popular, for example, was it the local climate? Was it the price? Was it availability? Was it current fashion? and other factors. By the time they finish this study-- they know a lot more than you found out by reading half a dozen newspapers. Furthermore, if you didn't have several years of your own time available to do such a study, then you never would have found out all this without reading that secondary source. Granted, its author might have made what you believe to be misinterpretations--though the whole idea of "misconceptions" and "errors" is often not as black-and-white as many reenactors assert. You might however analyze the study and find certain things. For example, that the researcher only studied newspapers from large cities, and perhaps the patterns of textile purchase in small towns might have been different. On the other hand, many studies will openly say this, since some limitations are always placed on every researcher by available resources, which include not only research sources but their own time and research budget. So this lack would not be an "error" on the researcher's part unless they extrapolated to things they did not study without enough evidence for doing so. It would merely mean that at some point it would be a good idea for someone else to study small-town newspapers for that time period, geographic era, etc. It would however probably be perfectly legitimate for the researcher of big-city papers to read a few small-town papers, and say that on the basis of that limited research the patterns of textile purchase in small towns in their area seem to have been the same or different in certain ways, or admit that they are speculating or extrapolating to this or that, as long as they make it clear that they are doing so. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:42:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNgJWR012178 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:42:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNgE6K031899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:42:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RNg1Xc042606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNg1Qo092262; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNfw0D092213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.25] (dial-209-148-99-25.sonic.net [209.148.99.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3RNfulw013435 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: <48150F46.9060201@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <832494.19754.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <832494.19754.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery machines, was: How Many Costume Books... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c98db03b-5a7a-451c-bcf1-c9bc08752d18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48150F56.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:42:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My Viking/Husqvarna is at least 10 years old and doesn't accept embroidery software or any kind of disks, so I would need a new machine of some sort for embroidery. I am aware that people did free-machine embroidery even with straight stitch machines, I just want to get fancier than that. Frankly, I want a new techno-toy. Fran Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > You don't need a specific embroidery sewing machine to create a custom embroidery pattern. You just need to have the right software, which is usually quite expensive (but not so much compared to the embroidery machine itself) and it takes a LOT of time to make your desired pattern. There are some digitizing programs that somehow transfer a graphic to an embroidery file, but since I don't own it I don't really know how it works. You only have to know what file types your machine can read and save your graphic in that format. Be sure to check all this before purchasing the embroidery machine and software. > > Zuzana > > P.S.: I use Embird, it's affordable and does a good job, they also have some digitizing studio plug-in, but I haven't used it. It might, however, happen that this program will be too simple for you. > > > > I'm going to buy an embroidery machine, though, when we move to a bigger > house and have room for one. I want one that will do big motifs and > where I am not using canned patterns, but where I can create my own with > an embroidery graphics program, one that interfaces with my PC. I'd like > to scan in antique patterns from magazines and apply stitches to them > with a graphics program. I understand that the ordinary graphics > programs I use, which these days are mostly Corel PhotoPaint and Corel > Draw, don't apply stitches to embroidery patterns. Corel has a special > program for that which I have not really looked into, but I'm biased in > its favor anyway because it's Corel's. I have not looked into the > hardware all that much yet because buying a sewing or embroidery machine > these days is partly buying a computer; and with a computer both the > features and the prices change so rapidly, that it doesn't pay to > research too far in advance. I'm open to suggestions though. I could > either get an embroidery sewing machine--if it does big motifs and > allows me to create patterns--and sell my current Husqvarna, or get a > dedicated embroidery machine. > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 19:50:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3RNoYms012439 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:50:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3RNoTqY019462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3RNoBQ4043284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNoBA8098090; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3RNo81M097986 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W33 ([65.55.138.68]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:02 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2008 23:50:03.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[696C2A30:01C8A8C1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you. Can you tell me which painting it comes from? I don't have the= book.... > Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:58:32 +0200> To: h-costume@indra.com> From: h.z= ickermann@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again?> > It=B4s= in "Medieval Costume in England and France" by Mary G. Houston.> = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 20:25:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S0PiRm013427 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:25:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S0PdXW030786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:25:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S0PA60045608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S0P79H021141; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3S0P4Va021060 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEBLGLCA38EMUJ for (sender ); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:24:34 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssqqzKnFm5ZQ/99/W+13BXZo= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NHTVQAG4; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:24:20 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20080427.172400.2256.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-18,20-21,23-24,26-63 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 22:11:1590968141 X-MAIL-INFO: 218aca4fcac373f3736a8b176a8b9e8ebadfdadb1ef7339a1aabfa9f3a63aa8acbebab8aca1e0a7b237b6f032b6f030e8f030eca1ec3170b435f0f17ebeae35f7aeb5ad7a3ebb31b270abb0a7fbf0e47030a8f9b5fea1b2bab2ffb835a3fe31f9a4e87bb3fa7e37e0f3fbb9b2a836b3faf2a9baaaa X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f54221ac-b3c6-4d69-968a-2f3229b4c525 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48151983.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:25:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Hi Fran-- > Why is it "depressing" that many of us are in the SCA? > > In order to participate in the SCA, a person has to wear a > "reasonable > attempt" at pre-17th C. clothing. A lot of us find there is > challenge and > fun in going beyond the minimum. I think that it is great that so > many go > the extra mile for their hobby. > > Monica Spence > > In Society known as: > Baroness Catriona MacDuff > OL,OP,CM,CSC,KoE,QoC,PA,PA,AoA,OSF,OSS > East Kingdom I'm with Her Excellency. The "reasonable attempt" does two important things: 1) it doesn't scare off the new folks. We figure once you're here, you should be given time to see what's out there, and make your own choices. 2) it doesn't scare off the new folks. We're not re-enactors, having to come in with a full kit. Arlys > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:33 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You > Own > > > What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is > that > (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who > collect > and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot > of > people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 21:11:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S1BZZ5015078 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S1BTSS016022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:11:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S1BBj7048945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S1BA9F053574; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S1B6Zh053495 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4A538058 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:11:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <481507B4.9000705@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <481507B4.9000705@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804272111.16526.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92bdc40f-a7a5-4daa-af17-93abfb02f4fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48152441.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Sunday 27 April 2008, Lavolta Press wrote: [snip] > I've lost track of how many members the SCA has, but last time I checked > it was a few thousand. By publishing standards, that's tiny, considering > that something like one to five percent of people in a target market > actually buy. The version of the FAQ currently on sca.org says that they have about 29,500 paid members, but that's still small by publishing standards. -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 21:16:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S1GvUn015259 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:16:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S1Gq2x017326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S1GYhk049387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S1GYvs057573; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S1GUH1057467 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaisondeHadley@aol.com) Received: from MaisondeHadley@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d35.257374e0 (29673) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: MaisondeHadley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:16:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e9af694-31e0-4241-925c-0da4ed9ac94a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48152584.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:18:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am aware that people did free-machine embroidery even with straight stitch machines, I just want to get fancier than that. Frankly, I want a new techno-toy. Fran>> They are an awful lot of fun. I'm enjoying mine thoroughly. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 21:21:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S1LtoZ015418 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:21:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S1LoD5013949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:21:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S1Laqa049683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S1LaaI061466; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S1LXnn061369 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JjPA1Z0161HpZEsA70LG00; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:21:22 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JpMS1Z0010CKaGd8a00000; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:21:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AXrie9_RmGUA:10 a=rgh6IJL2_k4A:10 a=BxupAknkHwPir0iEo9QA:9 a=zcZmkoQ_QLSSMW2iKhAA:7 a=gJIwopZ2fkm3xdGwv7OhvJ6_A3UA:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Message-ID: <076c01c8a8ce$2f6e3460$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <453154.17866.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4814D506.5040203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0df23249-c639-4b63-a2d9-716d0e3c120a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481526AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:21:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What I find both interesting and depressing in this discussion is that (a) judging from the books discussed, almost all the people who collect and spend much money on costume books are in the SCA and (b) a lot of people would rather spend money on fabric and sewing machines. Fran Not always a matter of " would rather"--but if money is limited, I might buy a book this month, some fabric next month...I have to be judicious with my purchases. And we don't use credit cards, everything is cash only. Most of the time, if I regretfully sigh and put back the book I'd love to have, it's because the household bills have to come before pleasure. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 22:21:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S2LjeZ017208 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:21:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S2LdEf002553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:21:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S2LDr4054430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S2LB5M006589; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S2L7gs006534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.233] (dial-209-148-101-233.sonic.net [209.148.101.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3S2L5Bo024640 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: <48153494.5060901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9058dc22-6528-4691-8236-2ac164bd3ed6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481534B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:50 -0700 Message-ID: <481534C0.3030506@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:21:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <832494.19754.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48150F46.9060201@lavoltapress.com> <076501c8a8cd$bc3e9840$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> In-Reply-To: <076501c8a8cd$bc3e9840$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery machines, was: How Many Costume Books... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed094bf5-c2e5-4187-a7a6-0731b840022d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481534DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:22:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What kind do you have and what do you like about it? Fran Dianne wrote: > I am aware that people did free-machine embroidery even with straight > stitch machines, I just want to get fancier than that. Frankly, I want > a new techno-toy. > > Fran>> > > They are an awful lot of fun. I'm enjoying mine thoroughly. > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 27 22:27:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S2RtsF017374 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:27:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S2RoLE012317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:27:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S2RZVX054990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S2RZXs011251; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S2RX4m011223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.233] (dial-209-148-101-233.sonic.net [209.148.101.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3S2RVf5015655 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:27:32 -0700 Message-ID: <48153616.3050209@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:27:34 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5757f27b-4274-4710-a5f7-1c2d5da51a1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48153626.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:27:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And assuming one could ignore that momentarily, it becomes > a debate of spending $45 on a book filled with things that post-date the > Civil War, and which the author has stated that accuracy is not the primary > focus of, or one which is relevant on both counts. BTW, I earn my living by publishing books, and I've put several tens of thousands of dollars and at least two years of my work time into every one of them, totaling several hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money and 14 years of my time. I feel fully justified in charging the cover prices I charge, many people pay them, and given the page count they are actually less expensive than many other nonsubsidized books on the market. If you do not wish to pay them that is your choice, but I have to address audiences who will pay enough for me to pay for my groceries, etc. as well as book production. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 00:04:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S44Pe7021936 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:04:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S44JJs023110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:04:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S43aoK061599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S43XJX075561; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S43UGL075482 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z02 ([10.127.132.161]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080428040324.KMNG25676.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web10-z02> for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:03:24 +0000 Message-ID: <6930951.620371209355404377.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 0:03:24 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8604515e-0270-40dc-93c4-fc8406448409 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48154CC3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:04:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO snip > The version of the FAQ currently on sca.org says that they have about 29,500 > paid members, but that's still small by publishing standards. You do not have to be a paid member to participate, however, you must be a paid member if you fight or if you're an officer. Figures vary as to how many people really play in the SCA, but I've heard as many as 3 to 4 times the number of paid members. The actual number of participants could be as high as 118,000. With regards, Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 03:01:25 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S71Ptj018186 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:01:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S71JGJ008101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S70JSU071217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S70G1T002931; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S70Dpe002890 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-24-125-68-36.hsd1.va.comcast.net [24.125.68.36]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1JqNLP1S7X-00012y; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:00:13 -0400 Message-ID: <007501c8a8fd$4b9494c0$6401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:58:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/u410oO2sti/Fqcp04B95qln6+x2UwlwUiL+w aSEeQ2bXDe2YIHCFey9JaO+npiTIEtzrT/Hz21SpxxjilEQs3U 7xmuvgIXITXmnCdq4VVXQ== X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Chiming in...Changing Subject Header X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edfb951c-032a-4be3-a44b-d6e9627a63ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815763F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:01:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,URIBL_RHS_DOB autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can we please change the email topic/subject header of the debate emails to something else. When these debates start, a lot of people quit reading or create a message rule to delete the messages with that specific header. Over the years some people quit h-costume because of heated debates. So please leave the questionnaire title/header for just people answering the questions. I started the original questionnaire message as a fun way for us to get to know one another and something lurkers would feel comfortable answering. I have enjoyed ready people's responses to the questions. Some people are new to costuming could use the answers as what would interest them or what is available in the marketplace. People answers and humor have given me a good giggle. Personally, I have enjoyed reading the memories of their favorite bargains and memories of their sewing machines. H-costume is an email list that covers historic costuming into the 1950s. So all are welcome...beginners to scholars! We all began somewhere. This is a wonderful place to learn. Fashion history is what made us what we are today. I like all areas...historic, fantasy, and present day fashion. I collect depending what my area of interest is at the time. Over the years, I went through a year of purchasing antique etiquette books and fashion dictionaries, got stuck in the 1920s fashion magazines for a couple of years, bustle era for several years, medieval for a while, Elizabethan, Regency, etc. I float fashion around like a butterfly, landing on a time period and find out that I like it. I love the history of the fashion industry, not just the styles of periods but the businesses and trades, people who influenced it, etc. I physically can not sit behind a sewing machine or hand-stitching for 24 hours at a time like I did in my youth. But I love to look every stitch in a dress. That is how I can come up with 30 photos of one dress or 7 views of one hat. I wish I could afford to purchase original text or images from pre-19th Century. They are out of my pocketbook range. People ask me frequently! what fashion time period is my favorite. I answer, "That is like asking me which is my favorite child. I love them all for different reasons." I deal with a wide variety of groups of study and interests. This past weekend, I visited vintage car shows (some owners like antique clothing to go with their cars), and a wedding of two different cultures. I am always watching fashion because you never know what you will see...like the 30ish year old man who drove up next to us. He was driving a vintage Harley and wearing kaki pants, Polo shirt, penny-loafers, and designer sunglasses. An interesting fashion statement! Since two of my college degrees heavily focus on fashion marketing and the topic is being discussed, here are some of my findings. ---Currently published historic fashion books that sell the most are 20th Century ones, main focus 1940s-1970s. Women's fashions books sell more than menswear and childrenswear. ---Hot topics in current fashion publications, books, and magazines are past Hollywood fashions icons, hairstyles, celebrities, and designers. The majority of college to thirty-something aged females state that their style icons in history are Audrey Hepburn and Jackie Kennedy. Look at today's fashion and you can see these icons' influences...especially sunglasses, other accessories, and hairstyles. Cary Grant's style is what men generally like. ---In the U.S., the largest re-enactment group is the American Civil War. ---Quilters are the largest home sewing market. ---Resort-wear is the largest market in present day fashion. Resort-wear and Halloween have higher grossing clothing selling seasons than the back-to-school season. A good portion of the resort-wear are influenced after 1950-1970s fashions. Hawaiian print shirts were very hot for last summer and this summer in menswear age 45 and older. Go to any concert for a 1970s band and you will see a large variety of these shirts. Present trend for women's resort-wear is halter tops from the 1940s-70s for all aged women and teenaged girls. ---I have a lot more but am tired and heading to bed. As for embroidery machines, visit quilting shows. There you will find from the cheapest to the industrial machines and most dealers will let you experiment with them. Good night! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 03:13:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3S7DEd7019995 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:13:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3S7D7KW031760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3S7Cpaf071784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3S7CpEe011927; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3S7Clm2011830 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2008 07:12:41 -0000 Received: from p548E4A67.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.74.103] by mail.gmx.net (mp057) with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 09:12:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/CYBMTnMDC7OasGXrgUJWNK+Os5livwidRh3oeFr FqGTpJj8N873kL X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:13:16 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a5e1619-48ee-45d3-9dad-225643725de7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48157904.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO You=B4re welcome. The picture is taken from the = British Museum MS. No. D. IX. (late fifteenth = century). There=B4s also "The Depositon from the = Cross" by Gerard David (1460-1523) in the = National Gallery, London, which has similar cut = armholes but no seam at the waist. At 01:50 28.04.2008, you wrote: >Thank you. Can you tell me which painting it = >comes from? I don't have the book.... > > > Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:58:32 +0200> To: = > h-costume@indra.com> From: h.zickermann@gmx.de> = > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from = > again?> > It=B4s in "Medieval Costume in England = > and France" by Mary G. Houston.> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 06:36:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SAaSTr016491 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:36:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SAaMSl028561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SAZFnx084029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SAZBWj065537; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SAYdMO064969 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40274 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 10:34:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8PZ6dy0VM1kSH8XqX.KqMLFJGTlG5Nh1JcUAEZS.LNLcD3uVRgeR9Ng_rpxV33iuepOTnU1b5jd.TPioJQX2YI9.hyUx3PcP2eAjxfdQV3ltn5MbsOZSe4exGQ-- Received: from [74.170.117.178] by web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:34:33 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48150F46.9060201@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <621324.39917.qm@web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery machines, was: How Many Costume Books... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb8701eb-ca97-48e0-96b1-f05edc97c825 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815A8A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My husband bought me an embroidery machine last year and I love it. It is a Janome E350 and is very user friendly. It uses their cards but also uses a computer jump drive. Designs can be downloaded from your computer to the drive and plugged directly into the machine. The other thing that I like about it is that it is a stand alone embroidery machine and as I have several sewing machines (Pfaff Creative 1473 which is over 20 years old, a 15 year old Necchi, several simplicity and singer machines, a serger and a singer industrial machine) I did not another sewing machine. Shop around before you invest that kind of money. I found that a number of sewing centers will let you try their machines in their store and then there are the "large" manufacturers that will demonstrate but not let you touch. Anyway, good hunting. Kenet --- Lavolta Press wrote: > My Viking/Husqvarna is at least 10 years old and > doesn't accept > embroidery software or any kind of disks, so I would > need a new machine > of some sort for embroidery. > > I am aware that people did free-machine embroidery > even with straight > stitch machines, I just want to get fancier than > that. Frankly, I want > a new techno-toy. > > Fran > > Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > You don't need a specific embroidery sewing > machine to create > > a custom embroidery pattern. You just need to have > the right software, > > which is usually quite expensive (but not so much > compared to the > embroidery machine itself) and it takes a LOT of > time to make your > desired pattern. There are some digitizing programs > that somehow > transfer a graphic to an embroidery file, but since > I don't own it I > don't really know how it works. You only have to > know what file types > your machine can read and save your graphic in that > format. Be sure to > check all this before purchasing the embroidery > machine and software. > > > > Zuzana > > > > P.S.: I use Embird, it's affordable and does a > good job, they also have some digitizing studio > plug-in, but I haven't used it. It might, however, > happen that this program will be too simple for you. > > > > > > > > I'm going to buy an embroidery machine, though, > when we move to a bigger > > house and have room for one. I want one that will > do big motifs and > > where I am not using canned patterns, but where I > can create my own with > > an embroidery graphics program, one that > interfaces with my PC. I'd like > > to scan in antique patterns from magazines and > apply stitches to them > > with a graphics program. I understand that the > ordinary graphics > > programs I use, which these days are mostly Corel > PhotoPaint and Corel > > Draw, don't apply stitches to embroidery patterns. > Corel has a special > > program for that which I have not really looked > into, but I'm biased in > > its favor anyway because it's Corel's. I have not > looked into the > > hardware all that much yet because buying a sewing > or embroidery machine > > these days is partly buying a computer; and with a > computer both the > > features and the prices change so rapidly, that it > doesn't pay to > > research too far in advance. I'm open to > suggestions though. I could > > either get an embroidery sewing machine--if it > does big motifs and > > allows me to create patterns--and sell my current > Husqvarna, or get a > > dedicated embroidery machine. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all > with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 08:36:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SCaOXA031999 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SCaJ6A030187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SCXl2L092400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCXjjR076544; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail30.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+mL+McpxmVRt3Tlw4WhXb8Vsd3E0SGQkM@mail30.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCXfDm076473 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1i.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.187]) by mail30.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SCXeYF016100 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:33:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 4900 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 12:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.183 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 12:33:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:33:38 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1eb560b-09eb-41a1-8fe7-6c830679ba41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815C4C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hanna Zickermann wrote: > You=B4re welcome. The picture is taken from the = > British Museum MS. No. D. IX. (late fifteenth = > century). = That's what Houston says, but that's not a recognizable MS shelfmark for th= e = British Museum. As far as I know, all manuscripts there have a collection n= ame = as part of the shelfmark (Harley, Royal, Cotton and its many subsets, etc.)= . = Plus Houston doesn't give a folio number, so you might as well whistle as f= ind = that thing. I've never seen it ... and I've looked, having been interested = in = her supposed "archway armhole" for many years. (Frankly, I don't think that = straight sleeve cap will work in most fabrics, maybe none at all, without = pinching deeply in front and back of the shoulder joint.) I do know it's not London, British Library Royal 1 D. ix, which is = Anglo-Saxon. So is MS Cotton Junius D. ix, I believe. Could be MS Royal 18 D. ix, which is an illuminated Bible of Edward IV, from 1479 Bruge= s,, = but I've only seen a page or two from it, not enough to guess if the style = matches up with Houston's drawing. There's also MS Nero D. ix., the Romance= of = Sir Jehan de Santre, 15th c., which looks promising though I've seen only o= ne = image from it. You can find Houston's text here: http://books.google.com/books?id=3DZ430bgXpeUgC Go to "Preview this Book" and look at p. 140 for the quotation, 141 for the = pattern diagram, and 142 for her redrawing of the picture. > There=B4s also "The Depositon from the = > Cross" by Gerard David (1460-1523) in the = > National Gallery, London, which has similar cut = > armholes but no seam at the waist. That's also what Houston says. Oddly, out of a huge pile of books on Flemis= h = art and loads of images of David's, I have only one image of this one, and = it's not clear enough to show the seams. Ditton the several online versions= . I = presume the seams in question are on the lady in the light blue dress at th= e = lower left. I surely must have seen the picture in person, but I don't have a slide of = it, = and I frankly don't remember the seams ... and you'd think I would have. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 08:37:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SCaxvL032030 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SCargZ013071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SCaQxO092536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCaOVk079395; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:36:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCaLuC079276 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from suedesktop ([70.109.86.226]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K0100HEBC23PN50@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:30:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:35:51 -0400 From: "victorianmillinery" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <002f01c8a92c$658b43e0$2d01a8c0@suedesktop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] invitation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91f0ccc2-df96-42bc-b684-167b2f6af2e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4815C4E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good afternoon compadres! I have been taking care of my Mom, so I have been just reading and not engaging in the conversations. Today I am passing on news of my antique sale. I have to get rid of most all of my precious collections due to the amount of time it takes to care for an Alzheimer patient. It's been 3 long years. This is meant for my Washington area CSA's. I hope you will think about coming to our lovely historic town of Frederick Md. Just a small smattering of historical treats: Barbara Frietchie Frances Scott Key Supreme Court Justice Roger Brooke Taney Hessian Barracks Catoctin Furnace (both CW & Indep.) Historical Society CW Medical Museum Rosehill Manor (Thomas Johnson, pres of CC &Gov.) Schifferstat- German architectural home of 1700's New -World renown trump l'oil painted bridge plus wall murals Sign up for a tour at the tourism building And for those of you too far to visit, take a look at my website (victorianmillinery.com) and order anything 30% off until the day of the sale. I have my huge antique hat block(let me know ahead of time if you are interested) Hat collection of Ruth Norcross (including pictures of her wearing these hats. (let me know about this also) Japanese clothing of hers also. (Most of her things were given to the Textile Museum ) Frederick is 1 hour from DC, 1hr. from Baltimore, 45 min. to Annapolis, 30 min. to Gettysburg. I guarantee great prices! Frederick Antique Show and Sale (May 17-18) The Great Frederick Fairgrounds. Save yourself a drive to the Washington area for your antiques! Frederick now has its own antique show. One location for all your favorite vendors. Special collection of hat blocks and hats. For more information call 301-694-8950 or frederickantiqueshow1@verizon.net Sat. 10-6 Sun. 10-5 indoor facility ,free parking Thank you for allowing me to share this with you. I know it is usually frowned upon, But I would sure want to know if one of you were showing off your wares, lecturing somewhere, or have authored a book. Sue Shatto Victorian MIllinery _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 08:41:00 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SCf0ie032182 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:41:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SCetZK001482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SCeY08092884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCeWkP083115; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCeTYJ083027 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jzwd1Z0011HpZEsA703v00; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:40:19 +0000 Received: from DDD7J8F1 ([69.141.133.9]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K0gR1Z0020CKaGd8a00000; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:40:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M4L4xrKZlAAA:10 a=jcDrRxemMKwA:10 a=1i1oQdt3Ezjpgw13wV0A:9 a=mKZkOC_OIiPJChbxrkE6Dj3_5uwA:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Message-ID: <023b01c8a92d$09544800$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> From: "Dianne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <832494.19754.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48150F46.9060201@lavoltapress.com><076501c8a8cd$bc3e9840$09858d45@DDD7J8F1> <481534C0.3030506@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:40:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery machines, was: How Many Costume Books... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 663c7c59-d609-40d9-a302-903750144011 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815C5D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What kind do you have and what do you like about it? Fran I have a Brother PE750D. (got the D version so I can make Goofy stuff for my collector husband) I like it because it is fairly easy to use, it stitches beautifully, it has a 5x7 embroidery field (4x4 field is just too limiting) . I've embroidered dense designs on towels, beautiful airy free-standing lace, and quilt blocks, and it handles whatever I throw at it. Reasonable price helps too. Right now I've got about $1000 into, for hardware and software, and if I sat down and diligently worked on learning to digitize my own designs, I could quite feasibly never have to buy anything else other than thread and stabilizer. Of course, now I am drooling over the professional level machines....:-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 08:57:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SCvYdV000595 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:57:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SCvTBh027947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:57:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SCv0Su094185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SCv0f3002820; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SCuuIb002685 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettquilts@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64971 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 12:56:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jv2vPAcVM1mVWAN5vDbdh7s1UwppqZSZez96BgWfI7GlgnK7jRwixKIPspjhQL2m0z3srZDYHmwDpvx2dVSeZEjTMkT74.PAWkZC8A-- Received: from [74.71.19.247] by web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:56:51 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Gillies To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books (tudor/elizabethan era), sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78391825-ac99-42e8-842e-82c26c9e81a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4815C9B9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I think I posted before. I sew regular clothing and "stuff" and was approached by some new friends to make them some garb for their pirate act/ren fair jobs. I have done some alterations for formal wear but nothing in the couture level of skill. At this point I am advance beginner, quick and dirty sewing and yearning to learn more and advance my skill level. One area in which I am trying to gain is in the area of pattern alteration/fitting (of which I can do a fair amount) and pattern-making. The other area is in better technique. I am thinking that I probably would really like to work with costuming although my dh cautions that I may lose the joy of my hobby. I have been living online looking at costume sites. I have utilized interlibrary loan to access the county's collection on costume. There is quite a range between the "costume for stage" and "historic costume". I have returned a bunch but have seen one of the volumes of Jane Arnold's Patterns of Fashion-- the second one and have one of Jean Hunnisett's volumes--(Book II). I have a running shopping cart on Amazon (which is now at over $200). I have considered that I am really impressed with Arnold's books and I do like Hunnisett's book too. I find I really like all the different eras of fashion as well (as evidenced by my rather obscene vintage pattern collection- some 1940's and up). My question, if you could use 3 books for this (these) eras, which would you buy? The ones I have in my cart are Jane Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620, as well as her 1660-1860, Jean Hunnisett's _Period Costume for Stage and Screen, Patterns for Womens dress 1500-1800, The Tudor Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila, and Costume Close Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern, 1750-1790 - Linda Baumgarten. I also have a book called Fine Machine Sewing and Susan Khalje's Bridal Coutoure book. Do you have any other suggestions? I have purchased a package of Margo's patterns which have some wonderful guides in them. I plan on working with them today. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 09:09:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SD9gPO001067 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:09:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SD9bmo021596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SD9FaT095141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SD9FMK015928; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SD9Cvu015793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:1908 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JqT6Q-0007Z4-MJ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:09:07 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080428140744.03859ec0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:08:57 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 206d1280-72d3-40dc-9c1c-f2e85f81ad8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815CC91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 13:33 28/04/2008, you wrote: >Hanna Zickermann wrote: > > You=B4re welcome. The picture is taken from the > > British Museum MS. No. D. IX. (late fifteenth > > century). > >That's what Houston says, but that's not a recognizable MS shelfmark for t= he >British Museum. As far as I know, all = >manuscripts there have a collection name >as part of the shelfmark (Harley, Royal, Cotton and its many subsets, etc.= ). >Plus Houston doesn't give a folio number, so you = >might as well whistle as find >that thing. I've never seen it ... and I've looked, having been interested= in >her supposed "archway armhole" for many years. (Frankly, I don't think that >straight sleeve cap will work in most fabrics, maybe none at all, without >pinching deeply in front and back of the shoulder joint.) > >I do know it's not London, British Library Royal 1 D. ix, which is >Anglo-Saxon. So is MS Cotton Junius D. ix, I believe. Could be MS >Royal 18 D. ix, which is an illuminated Bible of = >Edward IV, from 1479 Bruges,, >but I've only seen a page or two from it, not enough to guess if the style >matches up with Houston's drawing. There's also = >MS Nero D. ix., the Romance of >Sir Jehan de Santre, 15th c., which looks promising though I've seen only = one >image from it. > >You can find Houston's text here: >http://books.google.com/books?id=3DZ430bgXpeUgC > >Go to "Preview this Book" and look at p. 140 for the quotation, 141 for the >pattern diagram, and 142 for her redrawing of the picture. > > > There=B4s also "The Depositon from the > > Cross" by Gerard David (1460-1523) in the > > National Gallery, London, which has similar cut > > armholes but no seam at the waist. > >That's also what Houston says. Oddly, out of a huge pile of books on Flemi= sh >art and loads of images of David's, I have only one image of this one, and >it's not clear enough to show the seams. Ditton = >the several online versions. I >presume the seams in question are on the lady in the light blue dress at t= he >lower left. > >I surely must have seen the picture in person, = >but I don't have a slide of it, >and I frankly don't remember the seams ... and you'd think I would have. > >--Robin I will be going to an exhibition at the National = Gallery in a couple of weeks, so I'll see what I = can find in the appropriate gallery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 09:21:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SDL3fe001520 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:21:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SDKw9o019208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SDKiMN096064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SDKhTu028329; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX192NvRuK/I7qhRatu/T8hgs8V0Tni5w3Rw@mail10.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SDKdvq028254 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1e.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.170]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SDKdt9016765 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:20:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 31679 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 13:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.179 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 13:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4815CF26.2020501@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:20:38 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080428140744.03859ec0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080428140744.03859ec0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:21:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > I will be going to an exhibition at the National > Gallery in a couple of weeks, so I'll see what I > can find in the appropriate gallery. That would be cool. Thanks. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:03:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SE33uO003199 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:03:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SE2sIW031714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SE1L6H099384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SE1IER074756; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SE1Fbh074563 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W46 ([65.55.138.81]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:01:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:01:09 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 14:01:09.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F7FD6E0:01C8A938] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Google book search - WAS: Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b19f9c89-1ff3-4536-b764-3154f52ceacb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815D90E.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can't get this to work for me. (I was glad you were even able to find th= e place to do the search - I thought I was losing my marbles.) I keep gett= ing "Page 141 You have reached your viewing limit for this book." I am g= oing to try from another computer in the house...then maybe over to my neig= hbors. = Sg > > You can find Houston's text here:> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DZ= 430bgXpeUgC> > Go to "Preview this Book" and look at p. 140 for the quotati= on, 141 for the > pattern diagram, and 142 for her redrawing of the picture= .> > > There=B4s also "The Depositon from the > > Cross" by Gerard David (1= 460-1523) in the > > National Gallery, London, which has similar cut > > ar= mholes but no seam at the waist.> = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:05:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SE5WMY003287 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:05:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SE5R57016796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:05:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SE37cG099580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SE37N3076634; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SE34Nu076519 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W50 ([65.55.138.85]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:02:58 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:02:58 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007501c8a8fd$4b9494c0$6401a8c0@momlaptop> References: <007501c8a8fd$4b9494c0$6401a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 14:02:58.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[90730960:01C8A938] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chiming in...Changing Subject Header X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce0ad4c5-6986-4fa5-ac14-8f29f0ef73bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4815D9A7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:05:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you Penny for bringing this up! Drives me Koo Koo....I stop reading after awhile because the original subject is lost. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:12:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SECMck003514 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:12:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SECDjE011763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SEBT9N000538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEBTCl085770; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEBP9O085632 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:11:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.235.222] Received: from [75.45.235.222] (adsl-75-45-235-222.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.235.222]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3SEBJs1000990 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:11:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> Message-Id: From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:12:41 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d7d9896-8d78-4da5-b67b-0fa37c06f17c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4815DB3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can't give you any examples from the 15th century, but there are some images of this square-bottomed armscye from the 16th century, especially in Bruegel: http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/images/back.jpg http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp? objectid=35573 (the lady in the foreground on the left in grey--zoom in as much as possible, and you can barely see the horizontal seams) If anyone with an interest in the 16th century has a chance to see this painting in person, do so. It's amazing. How the sleeve is cut is hard to say, as I've never tried it. I'd guess that it does have corners but isn't actually rectangular at the top, because if it was cut that way and as tight-fitting as these images, it would be extremely awkward and wouldn't sit right. But it was done somehow, at least in the 16th--possibly a survival from the 15th? Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:24:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SEO2Dm004031 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:24:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SENuQV019775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:23:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SENUto001657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SENTjQ097514; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SENPb5097367 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A35912A9C6 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:23:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:23:12 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17309419-dd34-4f0d-9435-226bf04ee358 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4815DDFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kathleen Gillies wrote: > Hi, I think I posted before. I sew regular clothing > and "stuff" and was approached by some new friends to > make them some garb for their pirate act/ren fair > jobs.... > > My question, if you could use 3 books for this (these) > eras, which would you buy? > > The ones I have in my cart are Jane Arnold's Patterns > of Fashion 1560-1620, as well as her 1660-1860, Janet Arnold is wonderful, but limited. These books only cover selected women's outer garments. > The Tudor > Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila, Another wonderful book, but with more depth, it covers men and women from the skin out. However, it is only for the Tudor period. It is not Renaissance, and it is not "pirate". > and Costume Close Up: > Clothing Construction and Pattern, 1750-1790 - Linda > Baumgarten. Again, a very good book, with a variety of patterns for men and women, from the skin out. Again, neither renaissance or "pirate" era. > Susan Khalje's Bridal Coutoure book. > > Not familiar with this title, but if you are looking to improve your 'quick and dirty' sewing then a couture manual is a good place to start. > I have purchased a package of Margo's patterns which > have some wonderful guides in them. I plan on working > with them today. These are very popular patterns and can produce some spectacular results, even from beginner sewers. They would be good for renaissance festival wear, and basics like skirts, shirts and shifts can carry over into "pirate". There really is no good costume pattern book for the Golden Age of Piracy period, 1680-1720. You'll find a few pieces in the 2nd Arnold book, but it's not what people think of when you say 'pirate costume'. You might want to look up Norah Waugh's _Cut of Men's Clothing_, and the accompanying book for women. There are scale diagrams of clothing from the 1680-1720 period, and you can put together a reasonable outfit from what is available there if you can size them up, fit them to your customers, and work without instructions. I also recommend the Gentlemen of Adventure website for an introduction into what real pirates wore and how they acquired their clothing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:27:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SERUEk004133 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:27:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SEROk7000731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:27:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SER3S0002082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SER2P8001517; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEQQx2000717 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1306892ana.65 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.229.12 with SMTP id b12mr11871132anh.57.1209392780992; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804280726i759c686fy5241a7b3c32ab84e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:26:20 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2269b29b-5303-47e0-91df-856f93e82b17 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4815DECC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:27:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > There really is no good costume pattern book for the Golden Age of > Piracy period, 1680-1720. Try Reconstructing History www.reconstructinghistory.com . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:48:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SEmnUT005236 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:48:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SEma09015648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:48:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SElU6N004501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SElQtq026493; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEl9Rr025856 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K2n01Z03k16LCl05100000; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:47:01 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter98.comcast.net ([204.127.197.198]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K2mP1Z00G4HK2Ec3S00000; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:46:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Dp9VgFWieHsA:10 a=--eWObuNijIA:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=JxHeHm8bx63NTSAh2-4A:9 a=FAtONCmbIq_xreGhNgDaFY1BaFEA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=n9umkzQd_SkLQWVrTKUA:9 a=mUEGa3frsXvS_LQ3IwvCHNX8Wo0A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter98.comcast.net; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:46:23 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:46:23 +0000 Message-Id: <042820081446.19301.4815E33E000B7F2A00004B6522135753339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcc81513-cfe7-4b16-ab23-a032fb61cef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4815E3C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:48:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, all, I am helping my 82-year-old parents clear out their house in preparation for moving to something more manageable. My mom used to sew, and I am finding boxes and boxes of patterns from the 60s and 70s -- Simplicity, Butterick, McCall's, Vogue. Likewise, there are four double closets full of, um, typical suburban clothes and shoes, mostly from the 70s. My question is whether there is a market for them, given that they have been kept for 40 years in a house with at least two and sometimes four cigarette smokers. Everything in the house has a strong cigarette smoke smell; many things are brown with what I guess is deposited tar. (Veimru: Yuck.) So before I tell my dad it should all go in a dumpster, I just wanted to check whether there was any point in trying to find a buyer for them. Likewise, though off-topic (because they are not costume books; apparently I developed that obsession on my own) are the books in the house rendered worthless by the smoke and tar? I am also hoping for some suggestions about how to get the smell out of the clothes, patterns, or books that I might want to save. Thanks for any thoughts you might share. Lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:51:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SEpL2X005318 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SEpF16024031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SEogsH004880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEof4Y031420; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEocUN031201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:2178 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JqUga-0004pn-SX for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080428154828.03841830@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:50:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books, sewing and pattern advice re Pirates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: afd021a6-f569-4752-9e9a-c2c5f845a696 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4815E463.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 16:23 28/04/2008, you wrote: >Kathleen Gillies wrote: > > Hi, I think I posted before. I sew regular clothing > > and "stuff" and was approached by some new friends to > > make them some garb for their pirate act/ren fair > > jobs.... > > > > > My question, if you could use 3 books for this (these) > > eras, which would you buy? > > > > The ones I have in my cart are Jane Arnold's Patterns > > of Fashion 1560-1620, as well as her 1660-1860, >Janet Arnold is wonderful, but limited. These books only cover selected >women's outer garments. > > The Tudor > > Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila, >Another wonderful book, but with more depth, it covers men and women >from the skin out. However, it is only for the Tudor period. It is not >Renaissance, and it is not "pirate". > > > and Costume Close Up: > > Clothing Construction and Pattern, 1750-1790 - Linda > > Baumgarten. >Again, a very good book, with a variety of patterns for men and women, >from the skin out. Again, neither renaissance or "pirate" era. > > > Susan Khalje's Bridal Coutoure book. > > > > >Not familiar with this title, but if you are looking to improve your >'quick and dirty' sewing then a couture manual is a good place to start. > > > I have purchased a package of Margo's patterns which > > have some wonderful guides in them. I plan on working > > with them today. >These are very popular patterns and can produce some spectacular >results, even from beginner sewers. They would be good for renaissance >festival wear, and basics like skirts, shirts and shifts can carry over >into "pirate". > >There really is no good costume pattern book for the Golden Age of >Piracy period, 1680-1720. You'll find a few pieces in the 2nd Arnold >book, but it's not what people think of when you say 'pirate costume'. >You might want to look up Norah Waugh's _Cut of Men's Clothing_, and the >accompanying book for women. There are scale diagrams of clothing from >the 1680-1720 period, and you can put together a reasonable outfit from >what is available there if you can size them up, fit them to your >customers, and work without instructions. > >I also recommend the Gentlemen of Adventure website for an introduction >into what real pirates wore and how they acquired their clothing. I think you mean "Gentlemen of Fortune" http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/pirate_news.htm which used to be run by a customer of mine - don't know if he's still involved. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:52:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SEq0bw005387 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:52:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SEpoIO012784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SElCkY004468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SElBaT026034; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX193ZzHewKHJVeazPDVkKXrXseISk1FkzyM@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEl8ub025929 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SEl708026259 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:47:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 16076 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 14:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 14:47:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4815E36A.50608@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:47:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Google book search - WAS: Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 035dc45b-1f9b-41dc-affb-f5a0a3bc6ade X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4815E486.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I can't get this to work for me. (I was glad you were even able to > find the place to do the search - I thought I was losing my marbles.) > I keep getting "Page 141 You have reached your viewing limit for this > book." I am going to try from another computer in the house...then > maybe over to my neighbors. When you do, don't go page by page! You really will run out of views. Use the scroll bar on the right to slide right down to the page you want without loading the others -- or (I think this works) type the desired page number in the box just above. -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 10:57:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SEvWuI005598 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:57:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SEvRfD022034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SEuus1005545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEuug2040729; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SEusar040563 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9610F12A9D8 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4815F3B9.1030900@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> <16a2233a0804280726i759c686fy5241a7b3c32ab84e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0804280726i759c686fy5241a7b3c32ab84e@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b2ff7ae-4754-4dbe-ad88-576314ecc8b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4815E5D7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:57:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> There really is no good costume pattern book for the Golden Age of >> Piracy period, 1680-1720. >> > > Try Reconstructing History www.reconstructinghistory.com . I honestly have to say I don't recommend those patterns. They look nice, and they cover a neglected period, and I'm sure a lot of work went into them. However, I know of two people who have tried to use those patterns and not had good results. One fit poorly and had confusing directions, and one was poorly researched ( and misleadingly represented on the pattern cover.) and incompletely presented. I'd rather someone use the Simplicity pirate patterns than those, where the directions are more clear from step to step and What-you-see-is-what-you-get on the cover. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:19:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFJB5R006620 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:19:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFJ5IJ000514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFIeLc008250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFIcko069681; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFIUu0069389 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W9 ([65.55.138.44]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:18:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:18:24 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 15:18:25.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A92A420:01C8A943] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Detroit Inst Art - Problems : Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 604016cf-feb5-4c6c-beeb-23aad67a6ca8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4815EAE9.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I can't get the second image to come up given the object id. Can you tell us what painting it is? I looked through their artist list and didn't find any from Breughel.... Also tried to register......that doesn't seem to be working for me either! (sad face). > > http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/images/back.jpg> http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp? > objectid=35573 (the lady in the foreground on the left in grey--zoom > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:26:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFQXGX006878 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:26:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFQO9b005623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:26:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFQ770009224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFQ7MB079760; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFQ4wP079587 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D37C12A9E2 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4815FA8F.9010108@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:25:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080428154828.03841830@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080428154828.03841830@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books, sewing and pattern advice re Pirates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fd32042-c7a4-4463-a52b-df4ab7f71bda X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4815ECA0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:26:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I think you mean "Gentlemen of Fortune" > http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/pirate_news.htm which used to be > run by a customer of mine - don't know if he's still involved. > > Suzi Yes, thanks Suzi! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:32:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFWRkG007121 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:32:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFWInd022685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:32:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFUi8f009809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFUiAX085625; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFUesU085533 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.240.87] Received: from [75.45.240.87] (adsl-75-45-240-87.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.240.87]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3SFUd2r028597 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:30:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> Message-Id: <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:32:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Detroit Inst Art - Problems : Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90830ad3-a059-4fd0-b863-19d0506c263a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4815EE02.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry--the object id should be part of the url and got chopped off in the message. Try http://tinyurl.com/5waqof Melanie On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I can't get the second image to come up given the object id. Can > you tell us what painting it is? I looked through their artist > list and didn't find any from Breughel.... Also tried to > register......that doesn't seem to be working for me either! (sad > face). > >>> http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/images/back.jpg> http:// >>> www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp? > >>> objectid=35573 (the lady in the foreground on the left in grey-- >>> zoom > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:40:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFep9Y007567 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:40:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFefsx015620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:40:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFU9HH009740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFU9wL084865; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFU6Yd084813 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 41EAC2E8278 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id AF93A2E820B for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:27:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28BE24007A for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:30:05 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AQGu Ab4L ApYk Cn2p C1aT C/xN E+bb FND+ FscM FxXm IkgJ IzAs JJk1 JruO LmW+ MNLR; 1; aAAtAGMAbwBzAHQAdQBtAGUAQABpAG4AZAByAGEALgBjAG8AbQA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {C9A0BFA0-4D08-4399-B5A7-CF3E44F63084}; YwB5AG4AdABoAGkAYQBhAGIAZQBsAEAAYwByAGUAaQBnAGgAdABvAG4ALgBlAGQAdQA=; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:29:53 GMT; UwBpAG0AcABsAGkAYwBpAHQAeQAgAG4AZQB3ACAAQwBpAHYAaQBsACAAVwBhAHIAIABwAGEAdAB0AGUAcgBuAHMA x-cr-puzzleid: {C9A0BFA0-4D08-4399-B5A7-CF3E44F63084} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:29:53 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4815FA8F.9010108@reddawn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Simplicity new Civil War patterns Thread-Index: AcipRDqyWzEOQ4W8RZizxfeqfvdSYgAAAzMw References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net><7.0.1.0.2.20080428154828.03841830@suziclarke.co.uk> <4815FA8F.9010108@reddawn.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17fa3828-1e21-4e93-b946-ef95b3a5c0c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815EFF9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:40:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather dressy. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:41:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFfWqK007605 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:41:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFfMdW031101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:41:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFa7hH010474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFa5nW092700; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SFa06U092543 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vaanthro@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48096 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 15:35:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: v8acCikVM1k_XpS1oszpyG9hsPFM7rOeOAY6oia2alTDYlHHj4j7mmsgz8b90vpNfQ-- Received: from [216.191.92.30] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:35:55 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jackie Wyatt To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <431486.48076.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books (tudor/elizabethan era), sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64bfdccf-73a1-4fa1-96b7-05805c31aed9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4815F023.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:41:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > My question, if you could use 3 books for this (these) > eras, which would you buy? I have to agree with Dawn- Janet Arnold's book has excellent photos, but it is pretty limited in terms of the outfits discussed in it. (that said, I was very pleased to get a copy of it at Christmas- it is an excellent reference book to have around) Tudor Tailor is also a good book (I have it even though I've been concentrating more on Elizabethan clothing), although it's a bit too early for 'pirate' costumes. I'm not an expert by any means, but I do have a couple of friends who have done some research into Elizabethan pirates, and from what I've heard from them (and read myself), pirates didn't really have a particular outfit- what we think of as pirate outfits is a conglomeration of typical clothing of the period with a good dose of fantasy tossed in. If you can afford it (or find a copy to borrow), a good overview book of clothing/items used by sailors in the Elizabethan period is "Before the Mast: Life and Death aboard the Mary Rose". It does cover a lot more than just the clothing (it's only a section of it), but it has some good info on some of the clothing found during the excavations. It's also a bit pricey- I picked mine up at Pennsic for $100, though it was well worth the cost for me since most publications deal with the higher classes of society and this of course deals with sailors, most of whom were not wealthy. Also, for patterns, have you looked into www.reconstructinghistory.com? They do carry patterns for the Golden Age of Piracy- I've never looked into those particular patterns, but I own two of her Elizabethan ones (the Shinrone gown and Dungiven outfit), and they were quite accurate when I compared them to the research I had done on my own. Jackie Wyatt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:55:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFt5Bd008203 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFt0Jr009938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFpBnt012303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFpBfh012428; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFp8Dm012282 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W16 ([65.55.138.51]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:51:03 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 15:51:03.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9A27E70:01C8A947] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - Problems & Where was this from again. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:55:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Got the link to work- Thanks. When studying to make my model of these (Breughel) jackets, I interpreted the sleeve to actually set into an arm hole. I see that it could also be interpreted without. I just went on the "majority" rules - even within this painting the similar fashion is shown with a round armhole on women's clothes. Most of the men's also are set into a round hole. Now I gotta get my hands on a good copy of the "Deposition .." by Gerard David.....Curious about the no waist seam... In my memory, someone had done a pretty detailed evaluation of this gown, or at least the issue on a website somewhere....anyone remember?Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 11:56:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SFusJg008271 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:56:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SFunVC011212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:56:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFuQQo013217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFuQTd019971; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFuNUe019890 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.240.87] Received: from [75.45.240.87] (adsl-75-45-240-87.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.240.87]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3SFuLxd019467 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:56:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> Message-Id: <4AE81A89-AB5D-4385-8317-1ECA7C63371D@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:57:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - Problems & Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dfafd9cb-5eb6-409c-bbc7-5f6679cf129b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4815F3C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:56:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Got the link to work- Thanks. > > When studying to make my model of these (Breughel) jackets, I > interpreted the sleeve to actually set into an arm hole. I see > that it could also be interpreted without. I just went on the > "majority" rules - even within this painting the similar fashion is > shown with a round armhole on women's clothes. Most of the men's > also are set into a round hole. It's true that some are shown with a regular round armscye, but some are clearly missing that seam, so I think the square-bottomed armscye was another option (especially if it shows up in the 15th century as well). Someday I'll try one just to see how it works. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:20:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGKIrF009188 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:20:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGKBCF009062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:20:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGJfwF016316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGJdBk050296; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGJc84050259 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1318400ana.65 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.122.8 with SMTP id u8mr12032392anc.103.1209399577713; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804280919m48ebf344y8aa5a8462637cde@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:19:37 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <4815F3B9.1030900@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4815EBE0.4010002@reddawn.net> <16a2233a0804280726i759c686fy5241a7b3c32ab84e@mail.gmail.com> <4815F3B9.1030900@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73ca8df7-023e-4157-bfea-5b30688ea7b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4815F93B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:20:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't used the pirate ones, but the one I used was clear enough, fit well together and generally worked well. If you have issues about one of the patterns, you might want to tell Kass, I'm sure she'd love to improve them. I agree, though, that the cover gives an impression more than a detailed look of the finished result. They're not line drawings of the final piece... On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Dawn wrote: > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > >> There really is no good costume pattern book for the Golden Age of > >> Piracy period, 1680-1720. > >> > > > > Try Reconstructing History www.reconstructinghistory.com . > > I honestly have to say I don't recommend those patterns. They look nice, > and they cover a neglected period, and I'm sure a lot of work went into > them. However, I know of two people who have tried to use those patterns > and not had good results. One fit poorly and had confusing directions, > and one was poorly researched ( and misleadingly represented on the > pattern cover.) and incompletely presented. I'd rather someone use the > Simplicity pirate patterns than those, where the directions are more > clear from step to step and What-you-see-is-what-you-get on the cover. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:24:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGOA8F009409 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:24:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGO1h1018681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:24:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGNEHC016955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGNDa1054513; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGNBM7054465 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1318738ana.65 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.110.15 with SMTP id i15mr12023044anc.130.1209399791327; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804280923w24e848e2he6a5e4419e4515e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:23:11 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <042820081446.19301.4815E33E000B7F2A00004B6522135753339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <042820081446.19301.4815E33E000B7F2A00004B6522135753339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c720a444-b108-48bf-ac5a-1c20914bd6d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815FA22.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I just wanted to check whether there was any point in trying to find a buyer for them. Yes, as long as you advertise properly that they're from a smoker's house. A few years ago, I would probably have bought the whole lot. Now, I lack the space to store them! > Likewise, though off-topic (because they are not costume books; apparently I developed that obsession on my own) are the books in the house rendered worthless by the smoke and tar? No. IMO, it takes much more than a bad smell and some yellowing to render a book worthless - but then, I'm a book lover... > I am also hoping for some suggestions about how to get the smell out of the clothes, patterns, or books that I might want to save. Baking soda is often recommended. Lots of it, change often. Activated carbon supposedly does a good job too. Clothes, hang them out in the wind and sun for several days (a good washing first always helps, if they're the kind of clothes that can be washed). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:37:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGbhd0010034 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:37:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGbZ6p026644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGbBop019237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:37:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGb99Z072848; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SGb5fS072663 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48197 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 16:37:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KWPApZMVM1lc51.NxOCtAjzg5oMfpUZrWP4euTnhHdBTQzCND477P48EzWmQgTEFcfRG3atgh4_Zq.THoqliT2f4xPYvUG4xrxGJNO3PlBEyLHmlIcIp47aZy6w- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:37:00 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <421204.47234.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] books (tudor/elizabethan era), sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 342623aa-b084-4f69-a63c-72eb6ed9450a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4815FD4F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:37:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think all of those books are worth having (except for The Costume close up - I don't know this book very well, so I cannot tell) and you would sooner or later buy them anyway. The Susan Khalje book is an excellent book of its sort - not speaking of the nice design and pictures, it tells you everything you would want to know when trying to make an evening or wedding dress. Susan Khalje gives many interesting tips and tricks that would otherwise be very time-consuming to figure them out, like how and where exactly attach boning, what layers to use under skirts to make them look as you want to, how to work with lace and how to place it on the curved bodice by hiding the cut places, she gives suggestions as what fabrics to use for what garments - she is very fond of silk organza - for petticoats, underlining, bone channels. This is one of the rare books that show you professional-done garments and reveal all their making secrets. Even if you're an advanced sewer, I still think you'll find many good tips here. Maybe a pure beginner would not be able to appreciate the value of the information given. It has nothing to do with period costume, however, be aware of that, but if you sew modern or fantasy evening/bridal dresses, go for it, it is a very practical book with loads of information. I learned many interesting tips from here. It would be quite funny to see a different way of constructing the same garments - any tips on other books of this sort? Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:38:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGcRk8010056 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:38:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGcHov030136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:38:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SFua8j013243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFua0u020233; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SFuW9v019995 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W36 ([65.55.138.71]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:56:27 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:56:26 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 15:56:27.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A868780:01C8A948] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 060fbdbf-766c-40fa-a4af-9bdc06844f7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815FD79.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:38:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Whoops - I guess I won't be looking for the Gerard David pic. Thanks Suzie= - do let us know what you find out when you get to the National Galler! Sg > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:33:38 -0500> From: robin@netherton.net> To: h-c= ostume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is this from again?> > Hanna = Zickermann wrote:> > You=B4re welcome. The picture is taken from the > > Br= itish Museum MS. No. D. IX. (late fifteenth > > century). > > That's what H= ouston says, but that's not a recognizable MS shelfmark for the > British M= useum. As far as I know, all manuscripts there have a collection name > as = part of the shelfmark (Harley, Royal, Cotton and its many subsets, etc.). >= Plus Houston doesn't give a folio number, so you might as well whistle as = find > that thing. I've never seen it ... and I've looked, having been inte= rested in > her supposed "archway armhole" for many years. (Frankly, I don'= t think that > straight sleeve cap will work in most fabrics, maybe none at= all, without > pinching deeply in front and back of the shoulder joint.)> = > I do know it's not London, British Library Royal 1 D. ix, which is > Angl= o-Saxon. So is MS Cotton Junius D. ix, I believe. Could be MS> Royal 18 D. = ix, which is an illuminated Bible of Edward IV, from 1479 Bruges,, > but I'= ve only seen a page or two from it, not enough to guess if the style > matc= hes up with Houston's drawing. There's also MS Nero D. ix., the Romance of = > Sir Jehan de Santre, 15th c., which looks promising though I've seen only= one > image from it.> = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:46:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGkik9010321 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:46:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGkZ92003957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:46:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGju8b020497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGjrvM083839; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SGjoCT083687 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16925 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 16:45:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i6mXpxQVM1nNeZ1SzdPEu0X2Lnaiunp43osF6CekrSn1ELfnMLzq1WgAAJ2mN38pEyjNCdsHc6DQ9XlRkfEE2htE9fwCbz5GqYgaPIC7RSCekvNbbHVVTEE1zyE- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:45:44 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4815F3B9.1030900@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <34819.16647.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c961c230-60c1-40f2-a4da-2904769eb132 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4815FF6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:46:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I haven't used them, but I've seen many pictures of finished garments that were made with the help of these patterns and almost always the result was horrible. Some of the patterns were - let's say - relatively accurate (compared to some other patterns), but the look of the costumes - aahh... Accuracy and "good-looking" have the same value for me...that is why I sometimes tend to make non-historical adjustments to make the dress look better. I think though it is possible to make good-looking accurate dresses (depends very much on the period-I think the medieval period can be a trouble), but it is something I still have much trouble with. Zuzana Dawn wrote: Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >> There really is no good costume pattern book for the Golden Age of >> Piracy period, 1680-1720. >> > > Try Reconstructing History www.reconstructinghistory.com . I honestly have to say I don't recommend those patterns. They look nice, and they cover a neglected period, and I'm sure a lot of work went into them. However, I know of two people who have tried to use those patterns and not had good results. One fit poorly and had confusing directions, and one was poorly researched ( and misleadingly represented on the pattern cover.) and incompletely presented. I'd rather someone use the Simplicity pirate patterns than those, where the directions are more clear from step to step and What-you-see-is-what-you-get on the cover. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:52:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGq2kn010548 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:52:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGpsoY020547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGpLGo021221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGpKGH090641; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SGpHBE090470 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61062 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 16:51:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _wJtK7QVM1kITTfq_MgRrvLwKT94SnT7iKm4z4aXNyPPBovnnGHNT9ijBZvack4Es61siv9EjFcGpZFufk5lOPyO3EI1blzNG9ZZ5xay2T2zEZyXmFFXE4VbLA-- Received: from [63.226.19.28] by web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <48153494.5060901@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <549504.59271.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f91269b-0022-42ea-8071-e88f871d4f75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481600AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:51:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > From: Lavolta Press "People seriously interested in research do not buy or read a book based on whether they know or like the author." Ummmm, yes they do. I consider myself a serious researcher. I also will not buy any of your books. There is enough information out there from other authors that I seriously doubt I will ever miss your information. I think what you do is wonderful, but your attitude really turns people off. I know this discussion has taken place many times before and you have made it plain that you don't care. That's fine. But there are lots of us out here that DO care! And we matter also. Cactus ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:54:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGsr7D010654 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:54:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGseAG005952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGsHjf021666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGsGZP094474; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SGsDts094296 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vaanthro@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51523 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 16:54:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WM8WkKEVM1n_yhZs.G6FQDYY.gqWwIdOfnh5J7Maeu8cDy4ezbQ5qTh4waYen2IUWwl4ttCcehhhODKie.iHfoSKW0xOtKhIDAhxX2E83Iuqe85m_pyY11gUGA-- Received: from [216.191.92.30] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:54:08 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jackie Wyatt To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <303547.51078.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e09881a3-3067-4284-ae54-b809a4d8d7e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48160150.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:54:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I haven't used the pirate ones, but the one I used was clear enough, > fit well together and generally worked well. I had a few problems with the two patterns I've made from Reconstructing History, but I emailed Kass and she was happy to help. I should mention that these patterns (or at least the ones I've done) are not for beginners- in the case of the two Irish patterns I have, they have been drafted using the actual items themselves, which often goes contrary to what we are used to today. For example- I had an 'interesting' time with the Dungiven trews as they are constructed so they wrap around the legs, rather than simply having the seams on the sides like most pairs of pants. They also look quite strange, and some people might think it is poorly fitted, however my own research tells me that these are indeed correctly fitted- the legs are tight, yet you could almost fit a small child in the seat of them due to their construction; amazingly, I've found them to be extremely comfortable and durable, aside from needing to change the waist a bit to accommodate female hips. I have never really looked at the later pieces, so I can't say for sure how good they are, but I do know that Kass is always willing to take suggestions and answer questions about the patterns. > I agree, though, that the cover gives an impression more than a > detailed look of the finished result. They're not line drawings of the > final piece... That is very true, but I've found that to be the case with quite a few 'period' patterns... Jackie Wyatt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 12:59:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SGxfhC010792 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SGxanR009877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SGxH8N022369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGxGFr000922; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SGxC7x000802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m3SGx8sk002225 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:11 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62710.72.13.239.193.1209401951.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0804280923w24e848e2he6a5e4419e4515e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <042820081446.19301.4815E33E000B7F2A00004B6522135753339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> <16a2233a0804280923w24e848e2he6a5e4419e4515e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6c4db36-65fe-4575-b5f3-dc5e0cd165f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48160278.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I believe drycleaners use an ozone treatment for smoke smells on clothing. I don't know if that would work on paper also. It depends if the expense is worth the item. I agree, truth in advertising and the end buyer can decide. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 13:17:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SHHKji011504 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:17:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SHH8oG010881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SHGb4w024844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHGaSK024358; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHGXUp024277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.97] (dial-209-148-100-97.sonic.net [209.148.100.97]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3SHGWWh031930 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: <48160672.8080602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:16:34 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <549504.59271.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <549504.59271.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ce8e2f5-dc4c-43fe-a5e5-686199daa02e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48160694.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I know this discussion has taken place many times before and you have made it plain that you don't care. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 13:26:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SHQLRK011763 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:26:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SHQF72001785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:26:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SHFNdT024650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHFLf1022664; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHFIAq022483 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so5025408pyc.4 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.93.1 with SMTP id v1mr5447342pyl.57.1209402913036; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x72sm7972475pyg.35.2008.04.28.10.15.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:17:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - Problems & Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d60caf53-8d2e-4b85-9440-5c867dd55d77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481608B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:26:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > Now I gotta get my hands on a good copy of the "Deposition .." > by Gerard David.....Curious about the no waist seam... Which version? There's a nice zoomable hi-res version of the 1484 Deposition (renamed Lamentation to avoid confusion, apparently, but called Deposition in many books) online at: http://snipurl.com/266hs [www_nationalgallery_org_uk] The c1510 Deposition is also available in a hi-res zoomable version at the Frick Collection's website: http://collections.frick.org/CUS.18.zoomobject._819$25901*1748915 -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 13:29:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SHTd28011906 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:29:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SHTYoJ005064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:29:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SHSxL4026529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHStpx043968; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHSqY4043576 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:30:29 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03149E3D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books Thread-Index: AcinCKUa2S5eRPzmQjGqFpG516/emwCTMuLw References: <001501c8a5c0$0c866fa0$7101a8c0@momlaptop><48121777.1080705@uvm.edu> <48122A7A.4030601@netherton.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 17:30:30.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E095630:01C8A955] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db97d339-2597-4eef-9275-bd97a97ffc67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4816097E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jen On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 13:48:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SHmTmP012962 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:48:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SHmGYf006190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:48:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SHloxh028997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHloDB070108; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19ibaBsCsnaIPW8fPXZGUbUHEs+AIAjG6o@mail8.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHlkjr070011 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SHliIK019673 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:47:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 9411 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 17:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 17:47:44 -0000 Message-ID: <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:47:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - Problems & Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3670dc3-fa7c-48a4-b750-f80d7c977e48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48160DE0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:48:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Exstock wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > >> Now I gotta get my hands on a good copy of the "Deposition .." >> by Gerard David.....Curious about the no waist seam... > > Which version? There's a nice zoomable hi-res version of the 1484 > Deposition (renamed Lamentation to avoid confusion, apparently, but called > Deposition in many books) online at: > http://snipurl.com/266hs [www_nationalgallery_org_uk] That's the one! I didn't find it in my own image search (because I was looking under both Deposition and Descent From the Cross, but not Lamentation), though I actually spent a lot more time going through a dozen or so books on Flemish 15th c. painting (including two National Gallery catalogs!) and found only one poor image -- and I looked at every David I had in case it was retitled in those. (E., where did you get 1484? The website says 1515-23.) Those high-res museum scans are great. Zooming in on the woman in light blue at the lower left, you can see the "corner" at the armhole very well. If you look close you'll also see a side seam on the body under the arm. I think -- am not sure -- that there may be diagonal lacings on that. I suspect there's a waist seam hidden in that fold at the waist, despite Houston saying there's none. The side seam does not continue down the skirt, and if the dress were cut in one, it would. At 1515 (or even 1484), waist seams would be quite likely anyway, though not exclusively the case. The lady in red in the back right does not have a waist seam, but also may be deliberately done in "old" style, given the subject matter. Magdalen (in green) is too dark for me to make out any seams below the shoulder. No clue how the sleeve itself is shaped but I truly doubt Houston's diagram; it wouldn't want to bend in three dimensions and still leave room for an arm. Where to put the curves is another matter. I would probably start with some flexible wool and shape it over a suitable body to find out. Not high on my priority list at the moment, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 13:53:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SHrc2p013179 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:53:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SHrTj0008335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:53:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SHr2LN029802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHr2Z3077395; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SHqxDG077232 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W37 ([65.55.138.72]) by bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:52:53 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4815E36A.50608@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com> <200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com> <4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <4815E36A.50608@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 17:52:53.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF00CAA0:01C8A958] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Google book search - How to X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50f79412-64be-4aad-ad29-4e3aadc482f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48160F19.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:53:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Easiest way to get this to work: I did have to go to a different computer - my husband's. I just typed "Medieval Costume in England and France" fig. 257 into Google's "normal" web search - I have been able to see the full pages before and after...so far no limit on the prieview. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:01:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SI1Zmx013509 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SI1TU2014398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SI0x1E031091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI0xbb087971; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI0FmI086826 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:59 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:46 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03149E96@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <48134B2D.70301@netherton.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books Thread-Index: Acinstig2ACXNVveRJGZ4KXEFhtKWgBpxBhA References: <543173.114.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48134B2D.70301@netherton.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:01:59.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[F42DE0D0:01C8A959] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae497b04-88d8-49c8-852d-2c24ada7c927 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481610F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FB_GET_MEDS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SARE_OBFUENLARGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Home for Wayward Bad Costume Books Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > If you, however, made by chance such a list, post it here so that I know what not to buy... You cannot look inside books when you order them through amazon. I've already purchased quite a number of very disappointing books... My "bad" might be someone else's useful, particularly if that someone else is doing theatre costume. Also, my focus is on medieval dress, which may or may not be the same as your interest. Some of my favorite "bad" books cover many centuries and probably do a reasonably good job in the later ones, but not in medieval. (This is something that happens a lot with textbooks and survey books, particularly if the author is a specialist in, say, 18th or 19th century and writes the medieval section based on other books without knowing how to spot the errors.) On the other hand: I don't think anyone here would mind if you asked here about specific books you're thinking of buying, and then people who have the book can tell you whether it's useful for specific periods and purposes. FWIW, these are just some of the things on my own "bad" books shelf: - Bigelow, Fashion in History (my old college textbook -- just horrible) - Kohler, Dover reprint of 1928 edition (very good for some things, but unreliable in others) - Norris's Tudor volume, original 1938 and also the Dover reprint (I still need to get the medieval one) - Wilton, Book of Costume, 1986 Shep annotated reprint of 1846 edition - Ashdown, original 1910 edition (but now it's out in Dover reprint) - Gorsline, What People Wore, 1952 (not bad as a general overview for beginners, but it's all redrawings) - Lister, Costumes of Everyday Life, 1972 (OK for visual overview but repeats a lot of myths, and all redrawings) - Cremers-van der Does, Agony of Fashion, 1980 (agenda-heavy theory and bad information) - Sage, Study of Costume, 1926 (typical of its time, regurgitated errors) - Lester, Historic Costume, englarged fourth ed. 1956 (ditto), and 1961 edition of same, expanded for later periods by Kerr - Evans, Costume Throughout the Ages, 1930 (ditto) - Laver, Costume and Fashion, 1985 reprint of 1969 ed. (at least this one has some real artwork!) - Laver, Costume through the Ages, 1963, (all redrawings, no text to speak of) - Houston, Medieval Costume in England and France, 1996 Dover reprint of 1939 volume That's less than half of them. I have more like these, plus a number of non-English books, old coffee-table picture books, etc. Again, I only looked at the medieval/Renaiassance sections of these. Some of them might be very good for Victorian! But most of them are in general badly sourced and simply repeat assumptions from previous books. --Robin -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:01:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SI1sFg013522 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SI1iQD025606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SI1G9r031125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI1F50088322; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI0X8E087216 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W13 ([65.55.138.48]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:00:28 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:00:28.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDDBEEF0:01C8A959] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b26089b-38dc-4cdc-8f8c-915d35558aee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48161108.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS,WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Okay - now that I can read the text, I understand what Robin was saying - the figures 257 and 258 are not from the Deposition/Lamentation by Gerard David....so now to hunt down the reference MS No D IX... Thanks for the links to the Lamentation!Sg > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:47:43 -0500> From: robin@netherton.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - Problems & Where was this from again.> > Exstock wrote:> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > > > >> Now I gotta get my hands on a good copy of the "Deposition .."> >> by Gerard David.....Curious about the no waist seam...> > > > Which version? There's a nice zoomable hi-res version of the 1484 > > Deposition (renamed Lamentation to avoid confusion, apparently, but called > > Deposition in many books) online at:> > http://snipurl.com/266hs [www_nationalgallery_org_uk]> > That's the one! I didn't find it in my own image search (because I was looking > under both Deposition and Descent From the Cross, but not Lamentation), though > I actually spent a lot more time going through a dozen or so books on Flemish > 15th c. painting (including two National Gallery catalogs!) an! d found only one > poor image -- and I looked at every David I had in case it was retitled in those.> > (E., where did you get 1484? The website says 1515-23.)> > Those high-res museum scans are great. Zooming in on the woman in light blue > at the lower left, you can see the "corner" at the armhole very well. If you > look close you'll also see a side seam on the body under the arm. I think -- > am not sure -- that there may be diagonal lacings on that.> > I suspect there's a waist seam hidden in that fold at the waist, despite > Houston saying there's none. The side seam does not continue down the skirt, > and if the dress were cut in one, it would. At 1515 (or even 1484), waist > seams would be quite likely anyway, though not exclusively the case. The lady > in red in the back right does not have a waist seam, but also may be > deliberately done in "old" style, given the subject matter. Magdalen (in > green) is too dark for me to make out any seams below the shoulder.> >! No clue how the sleeve itself is shaped but I truly doubt Hou! ston's diagram; > it wouldn't want to bend in three dimensions and still leave room for an arm. > Where to put the curves is another matter. I would probably start with some > flexible wool and shape it over a suitable body to find out. Not high on my > priority list at the moment, though.> > --Robin> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:04:46 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SI4kZ9013641 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SI4eBX023185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SI4Fpe031507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI4EQd092034; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI4BXW091862 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.5]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080428180406.KHMH6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:04:06 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.5]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080428180405.ERJM6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net>; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:04:05 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:02:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080428180405.ERJM6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91bf485a-22e5-434f-b1d2-50a85c7aa9ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481611B8.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A trick that I learned from a used book dealer friend of mine: Place the books into an air tight bag (trash bag) with Kitty Litter. The amount of litter varies with the number of books and amount of smoke. Let sit, checking every month or so. The smoke smell will gradually be removed. Any yellowing will not change, however. Beth At 11:19 AM 4/28/2008, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:46:23 +0000 >From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > >Hi, all, >I am helping my 82-year-old parents clear out their house in >preparation for moving to something more manageable. My mom used to >sew, and I am finding boxes and boxes of patterns from the 60s and >70s -- Simplicity, Butterick, McCall's, Vogue. Likewise, there are >four double closets full of, um, typical suburban clothes and shoes, >mostly from the 70s. My question is whether there is a market for >them, given that they have been kept for 40 years in a house with at >least two and sometimes four cigarette smokers. Everything in the >house has a strong cigarette smoke smell; many things are brown with >what I guess is deposited tar. (Veimru: Yuck.) > >So before I tell my dad it should all go in a dumpster, I just >wanted to check whether there was any point in trying to find a >buyer for them. > >Likewise, though off-topic (because they are not costume books; >apparently I developed that obsession on my own) are the books in >the house rendered worthless by the smoke and tar? > >I am also hoping for some suggestions about how to get the smell out >of the clothes, patterns, or books that I might want to save. >Thanks for any thoughts you might share. >Lauren >lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:04:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SI4qFW013647 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SI4lxg017192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SI4NxT031524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI4Nr3092218; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SI4Cwm091869 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.5]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080428180406.KHMG6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:04:06 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.5]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080428180405.ERJM6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net>; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:04:05 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:02:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080428180405.ERJM6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0227747-30db-40af-858f-f9e974074816 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481611BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO A trick that I learned from a used book dealer friend of mine: Place the books into an air tight bag (trash bag) with Kitty Litter. The amount of litter varies with the number of books and amount of smoke. Let sit, checking every month or so. The smoke smell will gradually be removed. Any yellowing will not change, however. Beth At 11:19 AM 4/28/2008, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:46:23 +0000 >From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > >Hi, all, >I am helping my 82-year-old parents clear out their house in >preparation for moving to something more manageable. My mom used to >sew, and I am finding boxes and boxes of patterns from the 60s and >70s -- Simplicity, Butterick, McCall's, Vogue. Likewise, there are >four double closets full of, um, typical suburban clothes and shoes, >mostly from the 70s. My question is whether there is a market for >them, given that they have been kept for 40 years in a house with at >least two and sometimes four cigarette smokers. Everything in the >house has a strong cigarette smoke smell; many things are brown with >what I guess is deposited tar. (Veimru: Yuck.) > >So before I tell my dad it should all go in a dumpster, I just >wanted to check whether there was any point in trying to find a >buyer for them. > >Likewise, though off-topic (because they are not costume books; >apparently I developed that obsession on my own) are the books in >the house rendered worthless by the smoke and tar? > >I am also hoping for some suggestions about how to get the smell out >of the clothes, patterns, or books that I might want to save. >Thanks for any thoughts you might share. >Lauren >lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:33:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SIXrd4015424 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SIXlxD015833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SIXAdB035262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIX7BH029725; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIX5Y1029697 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so5055747pyc.4 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.77.3 with SMTP id e3mr13707124pyl.7.1209407585199; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.106.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a78sm8126363pye.19.2008.04.28.11.33.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007601c8a95e$a0c7d590$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:35:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - Problems & Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa4b8210-a9e7-45a8-b1ef-1789d944bcad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4816188B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:33:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > (E., where did you get 1484? The website says 1515-23.) That's another case of different sources, different dates, but 1515-1523 must be a website type; it's way out. This is one of his earlier works, and the style of the garments is well in line with what I've seen in the mid 1480s. I'm not sure where I first saw the 1484 date, but since I spent ages trying to track down a hi-res version of this painting, I've looked at lots of low res versions with (varying) attributions/dates/etc. > I suspect there's a waist seam hidden in that fold at the waist, despite > Houston saying there's none. It was, in fact, Houston who made me try so hard to track this sucker down! I didn't believe her seaming then, and I don't believe it now. However, there are a few Maitre de Francois (sorry that's the only name I have for him) illuminations c1475 that show similar sleeve heads (except with a rounded point) going into a vertical side-back seam, with no waist seam. > No clue how the sleeve itself is shaped but I truly doubt Houston's > diagram; > it wouldn't want to bend in three dimensions and still leave room for an > arm. > Where to put the curves is another matter. I would probably start with > some > flexible wool and shape it over a suitable body to find out. Not high on > my > priority list at the moment, though. I've fit this sleeve a few times, though for c1510-20 dresses. It is NOT fun to fit. I'll try to scan in or sketch out the sleeve head shape that I wound up with tonight. The extra panels at the torso do help a ton with setting the sleeve in. By the way, the reason I am so forlorn that the "Marriage at Cana" by G. David has not aged terribly well is that the woman in red, sitting with her back towards the audience, is also (as far as I can tell) wearing a dress with the sleeves seamed this way. There are a handful of other images showing it; if anyone needs them, let me know, but expect to wait a day or so until I get the chance to upload them! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SIfZSc015654 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SIfRKT011163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SIf6rK036209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIf61u039146; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19mtimidbGd900nghaYy4yGSDr64xrw96E@mail15.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.29]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIf3Ug039078 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1j.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.188]) by mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SIf2jD014524 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 1460 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 18:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.184 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 18:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:41:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2cb711c-af87-4b4b-9a45-499c9efcb807 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48161A57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Okay - now that I can read the text, I understand what Robin was saying - > the figures 257 and 258 are not from the Deposition/Lamentation by > Gerard David....so now to hunt down the reference MS No D IX... Yeah, well, good luck with that (see my previous post). I'm sure a little time in a good university library, with a manuscript catalog from the BL, would turn up some candidates for "D ix" other than the two 15th-century possibilities I listed earlier, but then you'd have to comb each of those books to find which image it might be (since Houston doesn't give folio numbers). BL has some of its illuminated mss online, but not anything from Royal or Cotton (and I think not from Harley either), which are really big, important collections. BL may have a full list of mss online somewhere, but the only search function I saw there in a cursory glance only covered those mss for which actual page images were online. Bear in mind also that Houston very likely never saw the original illumination. A lot of her images are redrawings from earlier costume books--I've recognized some taken from Planche, Strutt, and Jacquemin--with those authors' "adjustments" incorporated and her own added. Her bibliography lists these sources and others, all of them secondary. (Some of her images come from published rubbings of monumental brasses, and she cites several standard references of those; those at least will be slightly less removed from the original sources than her redrawings from other costume authors.) Houston's error in the shelfmark for "D. ix" could easily have been a misunderstanding or mistranscription of a fuller shelfmark cited by a previous author. Strutt in particular took a huge proportion of his images from mss in the British Library (and he *did* examine the originals and drew directly from them, and reasonably well), and he sourced everything by shelfmark. So if you can get your hands on a copy of Strutt, that might be a good place to look to identify the right MS. Planche mostly copied from Strutt, and Fairholt from both of them. IIRC, Jacquemin used mostly French sources, including some from the Bib. Nationale de Paris. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:42:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SIgZ8q015691 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SIgTxG022037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SIgAUI036315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIgAka040400; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIg5NX040190 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:43:43 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03149F04@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own Thread-Index: AcioqoZrRDMh0Ye7TViiFEYxp8+cGwAtSPIQ References: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:43:44.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[C90F9CD0:01C8A95F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9902b0f5-2fdb-49ca-a11c-4f425adcfef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48161A95.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Why does anyone have to be in a "group" to buy costume related books? I think that it's correlative, not causative. Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:45:24 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SIjOrg015785 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:45:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SIjEqB016328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:45:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SIibMu036588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIiaNE043307; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIiVVQ043126 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:46:14 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03149F08@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <4814EF26.5030000@netherton.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own Thread-Index: AciorSvIq2xpPwP1RyKufs+bS3Y6BwAsrczQ References: <4814DCA8.1000001@lavoltapress.com><7.0.1.0.2.20080427220135.0386caf0@suziclarke.co.uk> <4814EF26.5030000@netherton.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:46:15.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[23171910:01C8A960] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a16f5b1-d18b-45a4-aaa0-3399e1948f86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48161B3A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:45:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO And a lot of people have to choose between books and fabric. You can't get fabric (or sewing machines!) from the library, so that often is where the money has to go. It doesn't mean these people aren't using books. --Robin Books are a lot easier to borrow than fabric! ;-) Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:48:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SImi9T015917 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:48:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SImdbr016552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:48:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SImIne036983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SImGjC047778; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SImCip047554 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W51 ([65.55.138.86]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:48:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:48:07 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:48:07.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[66290CE0:01C8A960] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79e5b7e4-1c43-4d3e-b31b-919734361c85 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48161C07.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yikes! I just wrote the British Museum to see if they had a clue.... Oh well, I've looked like an idiot before! :) I will follow up with Strutt - thanks for your pointers. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:50:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SIoR3k016014 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:50:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SIoLYu017922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SInw7I037311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SInvLD050105; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SInsdd049846 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W31 ([65.55.138.66]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:49:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:49:49 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:49:49.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2C911E0:01C8A960] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt - Was : Where is this from again. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 677cebd6-11b1-4d32-bff4-4413814c5ad1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48161C6D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:50:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Look what I just found! http://www.dragonbear.com/strutt.html May not be the text Robin was referring too, but.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 14:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SIr7Hm016175 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:53:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SIqx2X026813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:53:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SIqd2g037851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIqclU053954; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from seer.dracolore.com (adsl-76-220-87-86.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net [76.220.87.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SIqYTe053841 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cilean@DracoLore.Com) Received: from seam ([76.220.87.86]) by seer.dracolore.com with hMailServer ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:52:32 -0700 From: "Monie" To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:52:05 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c8a960$f6c52950$4301a8c0@seam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcipO5bnNDz3owANSk6QaS0bSRRgKgAJMucg In-Reply-To: X-hMailServer-Spam: YES X-hMailServer-Reason: Rejected by ORDB (76.220.87.86) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97ce4b95-6649-4d99-b31e-781bc2b6b807 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48161D0B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I own the Viking Designer SE, I love it so if you have the cash? I would Most assuredly state pick it, but also? Since you were mentioning a larger field for embroidery? The newest Pfaff you should look at because at the moment it has the largest field. I went to several stores to play with the machines, once they see you are doing this not to 'play' but to see which machine is right for you? Typically they allow you to stitch out a design. Also? When speaking of embroidery machines it is more the program that you have that will also achieve results. If you are into or know Coreldraw, there is an embroidery machine version. Also Pfaff and Husqvarna have their new program 4D which is very fun I am working with it, as well as Generations and well I bet a bunch more. So you don't have to get the TOP end machine, you can still get awesome results with the top end program! Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 15:03:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SJ3qbm016931 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:03:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SJ3kro005005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:03:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SJ3AEV038981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJ3AcI066642; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJ36qR066456 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W30 ([65.55.138.65]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:03:00 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 19:03:01.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AB1F030:01C8A962] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ab668f9-e6d2-4923-9dfd-f55fd95e615e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48161F92.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:03:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lucky me - the entire book is available in PDF online! > From: wickedfrau@msn.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:49:49 -0700> Subject: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt - Was : Where is this from again.> > Look what I just found! > > http://www.dragonbear.com/strutt.html> > May not be the text Robin was referring too, but....> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 15:15:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SJFb1v017331 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:15:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SJFSBb007813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:15:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SJF1Va041533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJF1WK082975; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJEuSn082742 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:16:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B03149F4D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <62710.72.13.239.193.1209401951.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke Thread-Index: AcipUX8SIZQAwTLMRGiQ3vtHuAogsAAEtG/w References: <042820081446.19301.4815E33E000B7F2A00004B6522135753339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net><16a2233a0804280923w24e848e2he6a5e4419e4515e7@mail.gmail.com> <62710.72.13.239.193.1209401951.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 19:16:40.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[63116FD0:01C8A964] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70f15311-5ed9-4b54-b146-4cff5485d99a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48162250.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:15:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I think libraries have something as well. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of aquazoo@patriot.net Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:59 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette smoke I believe drycleaners use an ozone treatment for smoke smells on clothing. I don't know if that would work on paper also. It depends if the expense is worth the item. I agree, truth in advertising and the end buyer can decide. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 15:20:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SJKM1F017505 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SJKE1D030726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SJJueN042486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJJtg5089295; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJJp4Y089192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.97] (dial-209-148-100-97.sonic.net [209.148.100.97]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3SJJn4N023722 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: <48162357.1020505@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:19:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <007901c8a960$f6c52950$4301a8c0@seam> In-Reply-To: <007901c8a960$f6c52950$4301a8c0@seam> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New embroidery machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bdc2ca2-3230-40f6-b2cc-81facb878f55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4816236E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you could have absolutely any embroidery machine you wanted, which would you buy? As I said, I want a large field and compatibility with my PC and yes, I love Corel's s/w. Also, what kinds of stitches are available on the various embroidery machines, beyond the usual satin stitch and stuff that's been available in basic machines for a while? I'd like a broad range of stitches. How easy is it to tile embroidery designs larger than your field, or can you? For example, suppose I want something that is not a repeating pattern of, say, identical flowers along a border, but something like one picture of a dragon on the back of a modern blouse, that is several times as large as the machine's field? Can I tile/embroider the large dragon in several seamless sections, or not? The idea of a low-end commercial machine is tempting, but I don't know much about them other than that there is a kind I don't want, which has several embroidery heads that go along a length of fabric and essentially do stripes. I've bought commercial fabrics embroidered like that and they can be great, if the clothing pattern is carefully laid out on them. But with an embroidery machine I'd be looking to do designs on garment pieces that were customized to the garment shape. If I get a machine like the Viking designer, I already have an older non-embroidery Viking for sewing, and I am very happy with it for that purpose. As I said I don't want to make room for a lot of machines. On the other hand, is it often desirable to leave a partly-embroidered project sitting on the machine while you go do something else? If so I am wondering if it would be a good idea to also keep my old Viking so I have a machine free to sew with while an embroidery project is in process. I admit it, I'm also looking for ease of use, in terms of things like keeping track of multiple colors of threads, and BTW, I assume any given machine can only handle so many spools at a time and that is a consideration? But anyway, I don't want to stop the machine every few minutes to cut threads or change spools. My fantasy is to thread the machine, set it up to do the design, and then pretty much leave it alone till it finishes, as far as is feasible. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Monie wrote: > I own the Viking Designer SE, I love it so if you have the cash? I would > Most assuredly state pick it, but also? Since you were mentioning a larger > field for embroidery? The newest Pfaff you should look at because at the > moment it has the largest field. > > I went to several stores to play with the machines, once they see you are > doing this not to 'play' but to see which machine is right for you? > Typically they allow you to stitch out a design. > > Also? When speaking of embroidery machines it is more the program that you > have that will also achieve results. If you are into or know Coreldraw, > there is an embroidery machine version. Also Pfaff and Husqvarna have their > new program 4D which is very fun I am working with it, as well as > Generations and well I bet a bunch more. > > So you don't have to get the TOP end machine, you can still get awesome > results with the top end program! > > Cilean > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 15:33:01 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SJX1Qo017964 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:33:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SJWuAJ026968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SJRMv4043572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJRL66099118; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJRJC5099062 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so5446920fge.11 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.3.4 with SMTP id 4mr8278574fgc.8.1209410839267; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.68.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0804281227v1342e533xcf81b4b01b04340d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:27:19 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <34819.16647.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4815F3B9.1030900@reddawn.net> <34819.16647.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books , sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc68ae4e-a91f-4c0c-86ef-8d124beb8e9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48162668.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:33:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > I haven't used them, but I've seen many pictures of finished garments that were made with the help of these patterns and almost always the result was horrible. Maybe because most people who buy patterns expect to make a size 10 and have it fit like a glove. It works for modern garments with a decent amount of ease, but for period, fitted garments, it doesn't. Hey, this is just a wild guess! But those patterns were made to be fitted to the wearer, not to be used as is. I like them, or the ones I've seen and used. YMMV. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 15:36:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SJahdN018152 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:36:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SJaaTJ022217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SJVBd8043919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJVBjv004266; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJV827004087 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080428193103.QHDN880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:31:03 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([72.218.84.136]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id K7X21Z00M2wVAe0027X2X7; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:31:02 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <48153494.5060901@lavoltapress.com> <549504.59271.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c8a966$63fafa90$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <549504.59271.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: AcipURdlpAhrvM1YTfWe7GOYbz0nDgAFUVvg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e51c3827-55e0-4435-880d-ec33056985cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48162744.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:36:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well said! Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Hobbs Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > From: Lavolta Press "People seriously interested in research do not buy or read a book based on whether they know or like the author." Ummmm, yes they do. I consider myself a serious researcher. I also will not buy any of your books. There is enough information out there from other authors that I seriously doubt I will ever miss your information. I think what you do is wonderful, but your attitude really turns people off. I know this discussion has taken place many times before and you have made it plain that you don't care. That's fine. But there are lots of us out here that DO care! And we matter also. Cactus ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 7:18 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 7:18 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 15:43:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SJhDmF018531 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:43:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SJh7HQ017034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:43:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SJglZG045406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJggRY019517; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SJgbGT019409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.234] (dial-209-148-99-234.sonic.net [209.148.99.234] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3SJgZWW005224 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:42:36 -0700 Message-ID: <481628AD.8090909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:42:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <48153494.5060901@lavoltapress.com> <549504.59271.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007c01c8a966$63fafa90$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <007c01c8a966$63fafa90$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d6b0179-07a0-499a-a421-5bf0ca860ba2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481628CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:43:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO To deflate your little power trip, guys, there have to be thousands of people in an audience to even make a dent or have any influence on book sales at all. I don't even know that many from e-mail lists, let alone that many who dislike me. It may be fun to run around thinking that what you personally do can make or break someone's business, but it's sheer illusion. And there is no reason why I personally should care what you think. Fran Anne Moeller wrote: > Well said! > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Shirley Hobbs > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:51 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > >> From: Lavolta Press > > "People seriously interested in research do not buy or read a book based > on whether they know or like the author." > > > Ummmm, yes they do. I consider myself a serious researcher. I also will > not buy any of your books. There is enough information out there from other > authors that I seriously doubt I will ever miss your information. I think > what you do is wonderful, but your attitude really turns people off. I know > this discussion has taken place many times before and you have made it plain > that you don't care. That's fine. But there are lots of us out here that > DO care! And we matter also. > > Cactus > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 > 7:18 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 > 7:18 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 16:11:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SKB2wb020111 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SKAtHt002544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:10:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SKAQD2049809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKAP6N059378; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKALDO059154 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@staff.washjeff.edu) Received: from 209.131.83.40 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id AF280244; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:10:16 -0400 To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:10:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "R Lloyd Mitchell" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_MBNPXKUGN0RWLXVJ8ADH" Message-Id: <200804281610401.SM03300@[209.131.83.40]> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] books and resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 208da593-3eb5-4fd0-bc56-1c03e02bbc36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48162F4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:10:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --------------Boundary-00=_MBNPXKUGN0RWLXVJ8ADH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK you H-Costume folk, if you will take one more reflection on = Books/Resources from a recently retired costumer,.. When I began my craft nearly 50 years ago,=C2=A0 I soon found that there = were few books or resources for=C2=A0 period=C2=A0 costuming available = from my local library or even the college library and bookstore. An early = acquisition was a slim how-to volume by Jonston that based all her 2000 = years of =22period design for the making =22on a man=E2=80=99s PJ pattern = and a woman=E2=80=99s 4 piece dress pattern.=C2=A0 Size was of no = consideration.=C2=A0 She even provided approximate yardage for the work-up = for S-M-L.=C2=A0 I thought this was great. To enlarge the reality aspects, = I spent days in the libraries=C2=A0 and museums studying the other details = that would bring my primitive designs closer to the reality of the = occasion at hand.=C2=A0 Honing my hand/eye skills using the basic Jonston = method, I was soon finding that I could look at a picture and dissect the = 2D=C2=A0 design into the necessary shapes that would recreate the fashion = before me.=C2=A0 With an indication of size, I could even do a lot of the = cutting free handed using my tape measure and a vision of the shape = necessary to get the right draping.=C2=A0 Wow.=C2=A0 I was on my = way=E2=80=A6 I was given the one volume edition of Davernport, discovered Koehler, = Barton, Evans, Laver, the Cunningtons and Gorseline.=C2=A0 Non was perfect = but each added something of value, good or bad, to my self education = toward the craft of costuming About 5 years into my new career, and many shows later, I encountered = Arnold for the first time and was bowled over by the concept and = scholarship she was doing and this raised the bar somewhat for me toward = becoming more scientific in my own scholarship and craft.=C2=A0 On first = observation, I found that I had solved many of my design problems in the = very same way that she had determined by firsthand observation, and this = gave me an affirmation and encouragement that I was going about my = costume=C2=A0 production in somewhat the right manner. Also, about this time, I encountered Ann Hollander=E2=80=99s=22 Seeing = Through Clothes=22 that had a profound influence on me concerning = the=C2=A0 facts of perception and problems of replication when = interpreting clothing and costume from the past. Following some of her ideas, I began to look for obscure costume books = that might have been on the cutting edge of what was known or perceived as = costume in and of its own time period.=C2=A0 Thus began my significant = collection of Godey=E2=80=99s, Peterson=E2=80=99s, Arthur=E2=80=99s; = =22The Story of Clothes=22 by Agnes Allen, a four volume set of=22 English = Costume=22 by=C2=A0 Dion Clayton Calthrope, =22Costumes and Scenery for = Amateurs=22, Constance Darcy Mackay; =22Costume Fanciful, Historical and = Theatrical=22 compiled by Mrs. Aria; Mrs. = Earle=E2=80=99s,Wilton=E2=80=99s, Laver=E2=80=A6for just a few.=C2=A0 Each = is valued for the view points given and taken of how they understood what = Historical costuming meant for their own time. In the early 1990s, my husband introduced me to the wonderful new world of = H-costume.=C2=A0 For the very first time I felt connected to a host of new = friends who were doing for joy or livelihood what I was doing=E2=80=A6who = knew what the problems were and were willing to share solutions. It is = hard to imagine interpreting the styles and clothing of the past without = them.=20 Eons later, we have the wonderful Library that Penny is developing, = Robin=E2=80=99s Medieval studies, Fran=E2=80=99s de-ciphers of 19th C = pattern making, the various Shep reprints. Melanie=E2=80=99s patterns, = Bjarne=E2=80=99s wonderful and inspiring embroideries, Lorena=E2=80=99s = patterns and embroideries; pictoral work of Sally Keene.=C2=A0 The = compilations and other resource material by Boumgarten Bissonet, Drea and = such=E2=80=A6all a very rich heritage for the present and for years to = come. Maybe even some of this work will strike those readers and do-ers of = costume craft and history as outdated or uninformed but for the present, = this is what we have.=C2=A0 Rejoice=21 Kathleen Mitchell= --------------Boundary-00=_MBNPXKUGN0RWLXVJ8ADH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------Boundary-00=_MBNPXKUGN0RWLXVJ8ADH-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 16:18:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SKI9tj020677 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:18:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SKHuk1007663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:18:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SIjJKW036706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIjIUc044189; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SIjE42043978 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W16 ([65.55.138.51]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:45:09 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007601c8a95e$a0c7d590$eb00a8c0@compaqub> References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <007601c8a95e$a0c7d590$eb00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 18:45:09.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBB85CD0:01C8A95F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeve construction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ca319ec-4ff6-4508-a79b-a8040cee591c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481630F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:18:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'd be interested in any thing you have on it/them. I have written the British Museum to see if they can help me track down the reference to MS. No. D. IX..... > showing it; if anyone needs them, let me know, but expect to wait a day or > so until I get the chance to upload them! I'm patient! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 16:40:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SKeIHf022795 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:40:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SKeCnh032421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SKYKOX052452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKYIra089599; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SKYEpO089425 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39215 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 20:34:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y6mrXPYVM1l.jTBs_V0GI1So.1uJxUoPJ0ro6lJL03b0Xx3P1ETUfurj4eosXoGQBiH2ya61vDbtLTFFlWj0F_H.sLuLS6pkRXRbi3U1BEV7yK.Q5x4epaglBn4- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:34:09 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <481628AD.8090909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <620833.39146.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c7f527d-ccce-4748-8eea-afde42d232eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4816362D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:40:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't really think someone can dislike a person by just reading his posts and never seeing him personally. If you're not a genius writer, you can never express your thoughts just as you have them in your head, which may lead to misunderstanding. Nevertheless, a book and his author can be two quite different things. I think people should be objective and regard the book as a result of work and study of the author, whatever his personality is. Technically-based women and most men would have this a bit easier. They would be more objective and would tend to say strictly what they want, which might sound a bit - hm - rude. Nothing to blame for , it's just a different way of thinking... I think it's quite natural that you buy more books from an author who's sympathetic to you, but I don't really like the idea of doing the opposite - unless you have a very good reason for it. Zuzana Lavolta Press wrote: To deflate your little power trip, guys, there have to be thousands of people in an audience to even make a dent or have any influence on book sales at all. I don't even know that many from e-mail lists, let alone that many who dislike me. It may be fun to run around thinking that what you personally do can make or break someone's business, but it's sheer illusion. And there is no reason why I personally should care what you think. Fran Anne Moeller wrote: > Well said! > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Shirley Hobbs > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:51 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > >> From: Lavolta Press > > "People seriously interested in research do not buy or read a book based > on whether they know or like the author." > > > Ummmm, yes they do. I consider myself a serious researcher. I also will > not buy any of your books. There is enough information out there from other > authors that I seriously doubt I will ever miss your information. I think > what you do is wonderful, but your attitude really turns people off. I know > this discussion has taken place many times before and you have made it plain > that you don't care. That's fine. But there are lots of us out here that > DO care! And we matter also. > > Cactus > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 > 7:18 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 > 7:18 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 16:42:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SKgGhQ023013 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:42:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SKgAvI029802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:42:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SKfqLd053382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKfphJ097741; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu139-omc3-s6.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s6.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKflUx097583 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU103-W25 ([65.55.162.189]) by blu139-omc3-s6.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:41:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [82.32.83.169] From: C M To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:41:42 +1000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 20:41:42.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[440775B0:01C8A970] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again - FOUND IT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dabcf48-8eb1-4767-a825-8dcc4f71a79f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481636A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:42:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > > Yikes! I just wrote the British Museum to see if they had a clue.... Oh well, I've looked like an idiot before! :)> I will follow up with Strutt - thanks for your pointers.> Sg> > ------------------------------ http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/NotesLEJEUDELAHACHE.htm Second and fifth image, caption MS Nero D.IX folio 103 Does this help? Caithlinn _________________________________________________________________ You dream job is up for grabs. Grab it. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 16:53:57 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SKruQ6023856 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:53:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SKrpAJ007975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:53:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SKrbgL054593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKrYRJ011650; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+/TpvaF4ThUUE1muugwXXfX538VqULLKM@mail7.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SKrUWb011583 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1d.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.169]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SKrStr030998 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:53:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 30240 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 20:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.178 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 20:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: <48163947.3000107@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:53:27 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e06fb673-2c02-462d-a819-1f56d2055c08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4816395F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Lucky me - the entire book is available in PDF online! I see the plates on the dragonbear site, but not the text. Did I miss it? That's where you'll find Strutt's list of ms citations, along with lots and lots more. The intro on that site says "1862." Strutt wrote the book in 1796, and the original two-volume set is a wonder to behold if you are lucky enough to see one (usually in a rare book room). James Robinson Planche, the foremost Victorian English costume historian (at least he'd have said so if you'd asked him) published a revised Strutt edition, complete with his own annotations, in 1842. There is no 1862 edition that I know of, so that may have been a typo for the 1842 edition, either by the site owner or the original eBay seller of the plates. I don't think I've ever seen a copy of the Planche edition of Strutt that was hand-colored like these, but that doesn't mean this isn't one. It would make me ill to think that this might be a 1796 Strutt taken apart and sold page by page. Not so awful if it's the Planche edition, which is comparatively common, but still pretty distressing. --Robin > >> From: wickedfrau@msn.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:49:49 -0700> Subject: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt - Was : Where is this from again.> > Look what I just found! > > http://www.dragonbear.com/strutt.html> > May not be the text Robin was referring too, but....> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Robin Netherton Editor at Large robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:08:32 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SL8W7r025009 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:08:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SL8LQk013379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:08:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SL87VZ056077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SL863g029512; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+4LE3nFKtnM27Utk7PuBUNDxKv0Q+o7KM@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SL82AG029418 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1f.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.171]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SL7wIA021466 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:07:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 14917 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 21:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.180 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 21:07:58 -0000 Message-ID: <48163CAD.9030104@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:07:57 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again - FOUND IT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89e191fe-a2bb-4890-ad8d-d0582b7d6bd2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48163CC5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:08:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO C M wrote: >>>> Yikes! I just wrote the British Museum to see if they had a clue.... Oh well, I've looked like an idiot before! :)> I will follow up with Strutt - thanks for your pointers.> Sg> > ------------------------------ > > http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/NotesLEJEUDELAHACHE.htm > > Second and fifth image, caption MS Nero D.IX folio 103 Well, very cool. Real needle-in-a-haystack stuff to find the right image from that truncated reference out of Houston. I am pleased it turned out to be one of the two candidates I turned up, and the one I thought was stylistically promising, but my patience in looking for examples of plates from those mss was exhausted much earlier ;-) Note that's not just "Nero" in the BL cataloguing system, but actually "Cotton Nero." The Cotton collection has loads of sub-collections with different names. There's a superscript on the folio number 103 that (based on the elusive note 7 I found on another page on this website) is an r, meaning fol. 103 recto, the front of the page. If anyone is really hot for this image, you can probably purchase a slide of the image from the BM. You will need all the above information to specify what you want. Can't tell on my monitor if the seams match Houston's, but from the position, it's certainly the figure she intended. Which secondary source she drew her copy from is anyone's guess. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:21:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SLLdvT026002 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:21:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SLLXik017652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:21:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SLKufO057295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLKsCN044586; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLKpfv044501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8609A249EA for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48163FAE.1050406@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:20:46 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> <48163947.3000107@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <48163947.3000107@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt on the web X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d927b81e-4444-42c0-aab8-8c521623a307 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48163FDD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > I don't think I've ever seen a copy of the Planche edition of Strutt that was > hand-colored like these, but that doesn't mean this isn't one. It would make > me ill to think that this might be a 1796 Strutt taken apart and sold page by > page. Not so awful if it's the Planche edition, which is comparatively common, > but still pretty distressing. I can shed a little light here. As I recall, a few years back, someone on this list saw these plates up for sale on eBay. I sent a note about them to my local SCA list, as an example of what people used to think folks wore in the middle ages. At that point, Carol (webmistress of Dragonbear) saved the files for posterity and put them on her webpages. Someone with more time than I have today (sorry) could search the H-Cost archives and find out more, if we ever knew more, about which edition. Regards, Cynthia --- Vacation rentals on the coast of Maine, space still available. http://www.virtue.to/cottages.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:29:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SLTENt026873 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:29:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SLT8KB026551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:29:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SLSlj3058162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLSlWU053647; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLSiHR053465 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W16 ([65.55.138.51]) by bay0-omc2-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:28:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:28:38 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 21:28:38.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2ACBC70:01C8A976] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again - FOUND IT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2dec326-148b-48ff-a336-790119c98a56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481641A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:29:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wow! How'd you figure this out? Thank you! > From: caithlinn@hotmail.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:41:42 +1000> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again - FOUND IT> > > > > > Yikes! I just wrote the British Museum to see if they had a clue.... Oh well, I've looked like an idiot before! :)> I will follow up with Strutt - thanks for your pointers.> Sg> > ------------------------------> > http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/NotesLEJEUDELAHACHE.htm> > Second and fifth image, caption MS Nero D.IX folio 103> > Does this help?> > Caithlinn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:32:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SLWphu027063 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SLWkMo024584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:32:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SLWQCF058501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLWPH7057923; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+Z8OPUGGbL/vENeYMwB22dl+jzEQpYwXw@mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLWMv5057849 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from down.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1c.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.168]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3SLWLr2001846 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:32:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 7237 invoked by uid 80); 28 Apr 2008 21:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.177 with ESMTPA; 28 Apr 2008 21:32:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48164264.9000902@netherton.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:32:20 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> <48163947.3000107@netherton.net> <48163FAE.1050406@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <48163FAE.1050406@thibault.org> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt on the web X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 027b956a-43eb-4067-a676-248174e6038c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4816427E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:32:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > As I recall, a few years back, someone on this list saw these plates up > for sale on eBay. I sent a note about them to my local SCA list, as an > example of what people used to think folks wore in the middle ages. At > that point, Carol (webmistress of Dragonbear) saved the files for > posterity and put them on her webpages. Yes, I did not mean to imply that the Dragonbear site was responsible for breaking up the book! The eBay story is explained on the index page there. But the edition date is not correct. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:40:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SLeqeR027575 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:40:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SLegFN032074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:40:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SLe8Mg059306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLe79o066864; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from escobar.thibault.org (escobar.thibault.org [72.249.22.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLe4XQ066801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue@thibault.org) Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (c-24-63-160-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.160.27]) by escobar.thibault.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35B4249EA for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48164433.9010401@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:40:03 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200804272158.m3RLw4lZ023576@net.indra.com><200804280712.m3S7Clm2011830@net.indra.com><4815C422.5060104@netherton.net> <9BBD5E61-DF5B-4953-92A9-260EF6EF82DB@faucet.net> <006a01c8a953$c011f080$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <48160DBF.5010003@netherton.net> <48161A3D.7050006@netherton.net> <48163947.3000107@netherton.net> <48163FAE.1050406@thibault.org> <48164264.9000902@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <48164264.9000902@netherton.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wow - Strutt on the web X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 176dddf6-7482-4b37-9055-0ce75c2fce2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4816445A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:40:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > Yes, I did not mean to imply that the Dragonbear site was responsible for > breaking up the book! The eBay story is explained on the index page there. But > the edition date is not correct. Not to worry; didn't think you were. I should have gone to reread the Dragonbear info before posting. Likely the edition date is what the eBay poster listed. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:41:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SLfRqQ027651 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:41:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SLfLCL014375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:41:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SLf6vL059417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLf6Tr067958; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLf1Ie067861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:41:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3SLf0GT019408 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <48163CAD.9030104@netherton.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again - FOUND IT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff548f60-8354-4d98-8eca-fda9d51d0a50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48164481.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:41:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SARE_MONEYTERMS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi everyone, I was just pointed to this discussion by a friend who remembered a conversation we had a few months ago about the construction of common people's clothing versus noble clothing. As someone who's primarily studied the garments of the working class, the sometimes striking differences in construction intrigue me. Last summer, I did a reconstruction of Netherlandish Working Woman's Clothing using cutting techniques I learned from other 16th century working people's garments such as the Shinrone Gown and the Dungiven Jacket. Both of these garments make use of rectangles and triangles in what could be termed a "medieval" way. And yet in shape the garments look like clothing of more wealthy people, clothing whose construction is quite different and more wasteful of fabric. The reason I bring this up is that both the Shinrone Gown and the Dungiven Jacket share a feature in common with the illustration in question (and the line drawing in Houston): square-bottom armholes. The way the armholes are cut in the Dungiven Jacket and Shinrone Gown wastes almost no fabric. On one, the cut fabric is folded inward and becomes a lining/facing. On the other, the fabric is folded out and becomes a shoulder wing. It's a fascinating use of cut and incredible conservative on yardage. I used this armhole-cutting technique on my Netherlandish dress and it "cuts the right jib". I've blogged about my reconstruction here: http://reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/2007/09/netherlandish-working-wome n-part-2.html Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where was this from again - FOUND IT C M wrote: >>>> Yikes! I just wrote the British Museum to see if they had a clue.... Oh well, I've looked like an idiot before! :)> I will follow up with Strutt - thanks for your pointers.> Sg> > ------------------------------ > > http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/NotesLEJEUDELAHACHE.htm > > Second and fifth image, caption MS Nero D.IX folio 103 Well, very cool. Real needle-in-a-haystack stuff to find the right image from that truncated reference out of Houston. I am pleased it turned out to be one of the two candidates I turned up, and the one I thought was stylistically promising, but my patience in looking for examples of plates from those mss was exhausted much earlier ;-) Note that's not just "Nero" in the BL cataloguing system, but actually "Cotton Nero." The Cotton collection has loads of sub-collections with different names. There's a superscript on the folio number 103 that (based on the elusive note 7 I found on another page on this website) is an r, meaning fol. 103 recto, the front of the page. If anyone is really hot for this image, you can probably purchase a slide of the image from the BM. You will need all the above information to specify what you want. Can't tell on my monitor if the seams match Houston's, but from the position, it's certainly the figure she intended. Which secondary source she drew her copy from is anyone's guess. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 17:49:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SLnqcF028223 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:49:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SLnbJX004167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:49:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SLnJxo060261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLnJtN077249; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SLnGrc077192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.69] (dial-209-148-99-69.sonic.net [209.148.99.69] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3SLnEWo012572 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:49:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4816465C.2050908@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:49:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <620833.39146.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <620833.39146.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 516a6c26-f57a-423d-ab92-400162f6455f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48164671.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I buy a huge number of books by people I've never met (many of whom are dead, so I never will), and some by people I can't stand personally. The only thing that matters is the content of book. Likewise, when working for other publishers and for computer companies, I have worked with some authors and co-workers who were temperamental, incompetent, had a lot of personal problems/crises, and who had other flaws that made them hard to work with. So what? I had to work with them anyway, so I did, and we did a good job together. What mattered was the work. I don't think it pays to look at the world primarily in terms of personal relationships and feelings, and particularly the business world. Quite simply, things are not all about any individual and their personal feelings, whether mine or someone else's. I don't kid myself that anyone publishing a book, even one that I gladly buy the minute I hear about it, gives a rat's patootie about me personally or would spend any time whatever catering to my own personal tastes. Not unless those personal tastes were similar to thousands of other book buyers, which apparently they often are. That does not mean I don't have a very sincere interest in costume--I wouldn't spend 14 years of full-time work writing about it if I didn't. Nor would I sew. That doesn't mean I dislike everyone in some particular group, including h-costume. It doesn't mean I have no personal friends. But I think it would be very silly to run my life according to who I personally like or who personally likes me, or to expect everyone to personally like me. If people like me, they do. If they don't, they don't. And that's true for everyone else, as far as I can tell. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I don't really think someone can dislike a person by just reading his posts and never seeing him personally. If you're not a genius writer, you can never express your thoughts just as you have them in your head, which may lead to misunderstanding. > > Nevertheless, a book and his author can be two quite different things. I think people should be objective and regard the book as a result of work and study of the author, whatever his personality is. Technically-based women and most men would have this a bit easier. They would be more objective and would tend to say strictly what they want, which might sound a bit - hm - rude. Nothing to blame for , it's just a different way of thinking... > > I think it's quite natural that you buy more books from an author who's sympathetic to you, but I don't really like the idea of doing the opposite - unless you have a very good reason for it. > > Zuzana > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:06:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SM6pNS028956 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SM6k9t027590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SM6ZTm061981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SM6ZPt097322; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SM6VpX097205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3SM6Uw3022151 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 383c8723-b100-47ef-b67d-cce81d6f063c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48164A76.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Monica, Thanks for the warm welcome! Can we talk about flat-bottomed armholes? I'm totally on about flat-bottomed armholes. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Anyone want to talk about costume and clothing? Hi Kass-- Nice to see you here! Anyone have any recommendations for costume in and around Florence? I am thinking of side trips for the Janet Arnold Conference in November. Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:06:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SM6tqW028962 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SM6hpo011763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SM6PJs061951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SM6PKM097088; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SM6LCJ096922 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5659 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 22:06:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3neJyYUVM1lM_JSpqZii_RvB0CNb.FWz.sgHU5lQx5kZmB6BBlyLkw_9T8vj2dkGhB90OACXSynZo.gywaWsS7pJH1blBBtmp5Um8iJoKJpyaxRraq.WOvvmEQ-- Received: from [63.226.19.28] by web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:06:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <481628AD.8090909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <250536.5230.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 261f0844-c08d-48cd-a687-c04279077543 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48164A73.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO We realize we won't make a dent in your sales. We are just stating that yes, how we feel about an author can influence whether or not we will buy that particular author's books. Just our humble opinion, which I realize doesn't mean anything to you. But it does matter to some of us. And no, we are not the ones on a power trip. --- On Mon, 4/28/08, Lavolta Press wrote: > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 1:42 PM > To deflate your little power trip, guys, there have to be > thousands of > people in an audience to even make a dent or have any > influence on book > sales at all. I don't even know that many from e-mail > lists, let alone > that many who dislike me. > > It may be fun to run around thinking that what you > personally do can > make or break someone's business, but it's sheer > illusion. And there is > no reason why I personally should care what you think. > > Fran > > Anne Moeller wrote: > > Well said! > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > > Behalf Of Shirley Hobbs > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:51 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume > Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own > > > >> From: Lavolta Press > > > > "People seriously interested in research do not > buy or read a book based > > on whether they know or like the author." > > > > > > Ummmm, yes they do. I consider myself a serious > researcher. I also will > > not buy any of your books. There is enough > information out there from other > > authors that I seriously doubt I will ever miss your > information. I think > > what you do is wonderful, but your attitude really > turns people off. I know > > this discussion has taken place many times before and > you have made it plain > > that you don't care. That's fine. But there > are lots of us out here that > > DO care! And we matter also. > > > > Cactus > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > ________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:11:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMBYFB029180 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:11:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMBTck014938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:11:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SM0hBI061427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SM0fVK090609; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SM0dVq090448 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K0200D5H2GOQF40@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:00:13 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <4816465C.2050908@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! 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Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:12:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMCNta029212 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:12:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMCHSA013558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMC0i2062450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMBxjl003566; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3SMBu19003413 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96130 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2008 22:11:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 75r84zcVM1nDnLATjS7LqnJzSQxY5lBcOQj5Ek2ouUoyQu_ZnS6lyroRl4c2ca2EGMH8OzbN_2UvzT8kz_2Jn436rQAmSoN3J4zc5ijyHj1B4wAyiIZ6Ac6k2w-- Received: from [63.226.19.28] by web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:11:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200804281610401.SM03300@[209.131.83.40]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <838530.95881.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books and resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edea6880-eda2-46ab-8ccf-e451ffb84c42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48164BC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:23:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMNaf0029669 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:23:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMNTlm003860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:23:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMNAw1063663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMNA9A015698; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMN7xL015568 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K0200D173HVT140@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:22:32 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:23:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know nothing about them. Thanks for the links! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kass McGann Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hi Monica, Thanks for the warm welcome! Can we talk about flat-bottomed armholes? I'm totally on about flat-bottomed armholes. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Anyone want to talk about costume and clothing? Hi Kass-- Nice to see you here! Anyone have any recommendations for costume in and around Florence? I am thinking of side trips for the Janet Arnold Conference in November. Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:27:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMRl58029831 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMRfrk022671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMRAHo064053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMRAfb019885; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMR7Hp019820 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id E922A4C2ED for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6B1804C2C4 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BAB24007D for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:27:06 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Thread-Index: AcipfnPFlVvmrprHRx22m8ODix4wyAAAC07g References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d620d5b-5b10-4b7a-b7b5-9e0af20d8e3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48164F5D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The new Civil War era pattern numbers from Simplicity are 2881, 2887 and 2890. Does anyone on the list know if Martha McCain is going to have new patterns for Simplicity. Last I heard, she was working on 18th century patterns. Is that correct? Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! I know nothing about them. Thanks for the links! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kass McGann Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hi Monica, Thanks for the warm welcome! Can we talk about flat-bottomed armholes? I'm totally on about flat-bottomed armholes. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Anyone want to talk about costume and clothing? Hi Kass-- Nice to see you here! Anyone have any recommendations for costume in and around Florence? I am thinking of side trips for the Janet Arnold Conference in November. Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:36:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMaaKA030372 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:36:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMaVSc027492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:36:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMa1Ne064919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMa1Xf029026; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMZvDs028971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3SMZuET025254 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:35:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63250674-33d0-4e60-b900-62f6101580fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4816516F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:36:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I was referring to the discussion about the 15th century armholes as illustrated in Houston and the Jeu de Hache pictures. They just make so much sense to me! Kass -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! I know nothing about them. Thanks for the links! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kass McGann Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hi Monica, Thanks for the warm welcome! Can we talk about flat-bottomed armholes? I'm totally on about flat-bottomed armholes. Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:46:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMkqwS030819 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:46:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMkiHb016609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:46:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMk9I0065843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMk8kc038381; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMk7BN038365 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1354311ana.65 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.1.12 with SMTP id d12mr404960ani.31.1209422767326; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.12 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ec4d8740804281546j1ce89ac9h902fd1dcbd57a44e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:46:07 -0500 From: "Elena House" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a629306-c8b9-421b-8790-75b007c137c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481653D4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:46:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Kass McGann wrote: > I was referring to the discussion about the 15th century armholes as > illustrated in Houston and the Jeu de Hache pictures. They just make so > much sense to me! > > Kass > Not surprised to hear that, since they've always reminded me of the Moy Bog gown's sleeves. Not quite the same thing, but if you can build one, you can build the other! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:49:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMnqnW030956 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:49:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMnkZU000409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:49:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMnQHn066136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMnPrJ041428; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMnMrF041292 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.253.216.10]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K0200B134KLCFI0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:46:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:50:52 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" In-reply-to: To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-id: <008901c8a982$5000a000$f001e000$@carnegie@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Acipfvt4NsvQf52nQM+3h12xEmJ+TgAAyRdg References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] flat bottomed holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcf81923-cc89-41ca-a2c0-e522b4fabc13 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4816548A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:49:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Flat bottomed armhole make the rocking world go round! Apologies to Freddie Mercury -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! I know nothing about them. Thanks for the links! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kass McGann Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hi Monica, Thanks for the warm welcome! Can we talk about flat-bottomed armholes? I'm totally on about flat-bottomed armholes. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Anyone want to talk about costume and clothing? Hi Kass-- Nice to see you here! Anyone have any recommendations for costume in and around Florence? I am thinking of side trips for the Janet Arnold Conference in November. Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:51:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMpArs031011 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:51:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMov77000505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMoblB066258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:50:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMobqc042647; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:50:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMoYkp042478 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0K0200EYC4RRDRG0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:50:21 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <20080428171653.3eblbd7jf48wgkk4@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:51:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Anybody up for a roll call to see who from the h-cost list will be in Florence for the conference? Monica Spence, New York City (actually Long Island, but I teach in NYC) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of 00217146@bigred.unl.edu Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! > Anyone have any recommendations for costume in and around Florence? I am > thinking of side trips for the Janet Arnold Conference in November. No, but I'm planning on being there and would love to see a friendly face! Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 18:53:06 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SMr6d3031118 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:53:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SMqrcA003390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:53:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SMqcMY066414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMqcPT044527; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SMqZkj044392 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W31 ([65.55.138.66]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:50:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:50:51 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2008 22:50:51.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F061360:01C8A982] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Flat Bottomed Armholes WAS: New Topics-- please!!!!! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:53:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Those are very interesting observations Kass. I just love that kind of experimental investigation. Now I will have to think about the progression from "sleeveless" to sleeved - where/when did the style become less driven by fabric limitations and more driven by fit and style.... (If I remember correctly the Shinrone gown sleeve is just another rectangle sewn in the top of the armscye and ties around the wrist?? Monica, I thought I was talking about new topics.... :) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 19:02:03 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SN23QO031491 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:02:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SN1r5P009540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SN1IMg067232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SN1F4G052594; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SN1BD8052503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3SN1A2n027797 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <9ec4d8740804281546j1ce89ac9h902fd1dcbd57a44e@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! 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Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 19:07:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SN74AR031680 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SN6x1O012732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SN1WbR067258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SN1W5s052888; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SN1BeU052509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3SN1A2p027797 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <008901c8a982$5000a000$f001e000$@carnegie@verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] flat bottomed holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1ef28a2-c7ec-4476-aa8c-0451d00db636 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48165893.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ron Carnegie Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:51 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] flat bottomed holes Flat bottomed armhole make the rocking world go round! Apologies to Freddie Mercury _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 19:08:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3SN8MHI031741 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3SN8GSI028190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:08:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3SN7xYg067727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SN7xF1058220; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3SN7sve058163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3SN7rgU028456 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:06:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat Bottomed Armholes WAS: New Topics-- please!!!!! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:08:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Good thought process, Saragrace! You're right about the Shinrone Gown sleeve -- it really has very little to do with the armhole at all since it's attached to the back of the garment by means of a gore. But the armhole is created by cutting straight across, parallel to the floor, and folding that fabric inside to make a kind of self-lining rather than discarding it. (The same "lining" technique is done at the bottom of the bodice as well and these two "linings" meet at the bottom of the shoulder strap.) The Dungiven Jacket, however, is the one that really bears a resemblance to the flat-bottomed armholes in these pictures. The fabric in the armhole is cut down the center and those pieces fold out to make shoulder wings on the garment. The sleeves actually attach to a pinch of fabric inside this, not to any cut edges. Neat, huh? The thing that fascinates me is that these garments are late 16th century -- contemporary with many of the garments Janet Arnold patterned in PoF. And yet all of those have armholes cut in what I would term "the modern shape". To me, this is evidence of a difference in the way that the (guild) tailors of the rich and the (amateur? or just rural?) tailors of the poor cut their clothing. Kass -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Flat Bottomed Armholes WAS: New Topics-- please!!!!! Those are very interesting observations Kass. I just love that kind of experimental investigation. Now I will have to think about the progression from "sleeveless" to sleeved - where/when did the style become less driven by fabric limitations and more driven by fit and style.... (If I remember correctly the Shinrone gown sleeve is just another rectangle sewn in the top of the armscye and ties around the wrist?? Monica, I thought I was talking about new topics.... :) Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 20:41:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T0f1qg002861 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T0emkt014929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T0eVZ1075028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T0eT38039905; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T0eOur039823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-9-10.desm.qwest.net [75.162.9.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T0eNms023071 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:40:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:40:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/6981/Mon Apr 28 15:17:59 2008 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bruegel sleeve construction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31e969c9-65af-4314-acfd-42b9a3eb76a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48166E90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:41:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't remember a detailed treatment of the David gown... though I think it may be referenced somewhere on Drea's site (or we talked about it in her first Costume Classroom offering on women's dress, back in 2001...?). If you mean the "Bruegel sleeve," we discussed this off-and-on for several years on the RenCostumer list [from at least 2002 through the first half of 2005]. Unfortunately, that list has gone dormant and when I search for the old personal websites where people had posted their findings, I only get junk. If there are any other former RenCostumers on this list, they might remember more about it. Suzanne On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:19 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: Saragrace Knauf > Date: April 28, 2008 10:51:03 AM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Sleeve construction: Was Detroit Inst Art - > Problems & Where was this from again. > > Got the link to work- Thanks. > > When studying to make my model of these (Breughel) jackets, I > interpreted the sleeve to actually set into an arm hole. I see > that it could also be interpreted without. I just went on the > "majority" rules - even within this painting the similar fashion is > shown with a round armhole on women's clothes. Most of the men's > also are set into a round hole. > > Now I gotta get my hands on a good copy of the "Deposition .." by > Gerard David.....Curious about the no waist seam... > > In my memory, someone had done a pretty detailed evaluation of this > gown, or at least the issue on a website somewhere....anyone > remember?Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 21:08:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T18COV004238 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:08:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T187vC026581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:08:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T17jYo077138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T17jEI061979; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T17gDU061887 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so2975240wri.8 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.1.2 with SMTP id d2mr2542913wfi.91.1209431256742; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.188.14 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660804281807wec24a71t2583955605fd4eb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:07:36 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Tailoring Revolution Was: Flat Bottomed Armholes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cee6099e-ad78-43cb-9a5b-2c7140a535d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481674F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:08:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In very, very general terms the phenomenon you are looking at is known as the "tailoring revolution." It started roughly 1350s with the advent of the button, in the higher echelons of society and as most fashion/garment techniques moved down. The flat bottom armhole that we are talking about is an interesting study, not so frequently seen in "higher" society - more readily seen in lower levels of society and the working class. And now it is far too late for me to write about this... must go sleep and then think more before I make the whole thing into a horrid muddle. Mari On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Those are very interesting observations Kass. I just love that kind of experimental investigation. > Now I will have to think about the progression from "sleeveless" to sleeved - where/when did the style become less driven by fabric limitations and more driven by fit and style.... (If I remember correctly the Shinrone gown sleeve is just another rectangle sewn in the top of the armscye and ties around the wrist?? > > > Monica, I thought I was talking about new topics.... :) > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 21:28:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T1Shn9005243 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:28:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T1SbNb028234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T1S7bd078637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T1S6PG077416; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T1S4Xc077335 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from BAY133-W29 ([65.55.138.64]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.174.202.249] From: Saragrace Knauf To: "h-costume@indra.com" , Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:27:59 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2008 01:27:59.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[426EF430:01C8A998] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Another where did this come from? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48cf97fe-5fd5-4cd4-8742-447fa6ac0ff0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481679C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:28:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Okay now - no cringing. I have always been curious about a quote and a picture diagram in Kohler. http://saragrace.us/images/Misc/kohlerpleats1&2.pdf We are all familiar now with the style of dress depicted in the first image - (Thanks Myra and Heather!)What I am curious about is the highlighted text. He says "If still more width were desired additional gussets were inserted at the sides and back. These reached up to the hips." This is a link to a picture which shows the type of gussets I think he means - (Hmm, except it goes up further than the hips) I am thinking he doesn't mean the triangular gussets we are all familiar with.http://heatherspages.net/Nuremberg%20dress/nuremberg%20images/tafel%2074a.jpg What I am wondering, is if what he means by side gussets is what you see in the picture on the second page. This comes supposedly from the 16th century...I've never seen this side "gusset" pleating in a painting. Has anyone else? I'd love to know what painting the i! llustration is based on. Any clue?? Saragrace P.S. Sorry for the cross posts - had to get this to the German Ren folks too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 21:54:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T1s3OF007358 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:54:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T1rufm014058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T1rat4080434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T1rZqG097511; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T1rWho097477 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so3741625hsz.15 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.53.5 with SMTP id b5mr507906aga.77.1209434011906; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.16 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190804281853h272e4076ueaa29348e60d886d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:31 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat bottomed (and other) armholes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b203496-3c6c-4984-988e-422cbfb56d7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48167FB4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:54:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sure, I'll chat this with you after I have a chance to read your full blog post. Is there any chance at all that the upper classes might have used a similar flattened opening? I've found the curved armholes found in almost every 16th c. pattern/drafting a nightmare to fit on my wonky shoulders.... Allison T. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM, wrote: > Behalf Of Kass McGann > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:06 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topics-- please!!!!! > > > Hi Monica, > > Thanks for the warm welcome! > > Can we talk about flat-bottomed armholes? I'm totally on about > flat-bottomed armholes. > > Kass > > Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift > Certificate > &q=1&p=360&r=Y> . They never expire! > http://reconstructinghistory.com > http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ > http://kass-rants.livejournal.com > http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 22:06:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T26wp8008649 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:06:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T26q9x019565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T26bZZ081326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T26bEU007574; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T26ZSJ007482 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so3745697hsz.15 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr525032age.22.1209434789777; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.16 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190804281906g3d72eee8he84334418d019489@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:06:29 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Florence X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 0e698764-716d-4029-8311-fe8fef5e9e46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481682BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:06:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'll be one of the people going to the Janet Arnold symposium in Florence. There's been a separate Yahoo Groups mailing list set up for people going (or, indeed, any costume buffs that travel) so we can coordinate our activities: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Traveling4Costumers/ Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 22:59:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T2xh1t012074 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:59:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T2xbOQ027898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:59:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T2xHVV085196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T2xGWF048052; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T2xCwR047984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3T2xCVM005248 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:59:12 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:01:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <113053.59532.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] books (tudor/elizabethan era), sewing and pattern advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f099e812-e252-44ca-8fcf-6a12661b9671 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48168F19.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I must admit that I love all the books you have mentioned with the addition of A Tailor's Manuel from 1589 by Juan Alcega, translation by Ruth Bean. I did manage to gather up all the rest of the books available from David Brown books and they are spoken for or sold. However, I would be surprised if there aren't some available from SCA booksellers (I'm not one, I just love this particular book and want people to have it). There might also be perfect ones available from Ruth Bean (here on H-Costume) in England. Once I figured out what in the world was going on with these original patterns, it's a book that I'd run into the flames to rescue along with Queen Elizabeth's Closet and Dress in the Court of Henry VIII. I'd probably burn to death because I'd keep trying to cram in one more book! Seriously, if you can get a copy of Alcega, as it's known in the SCA at least, I highly recommend it. The clothing I've made from it showed that the patterns are actually to scale, not just drawings of what the pattern piece should look like. Not to put the Tudor Tailor down, but I think I'd prefer the Alcega to it just because of the number of patterns. Then again, these are Spanish clothes of the middle class; however Spain was a lot like the Paris of its time as far as clothing was concerned in the 16th century. If you do go into things as a Pro. Be prepared to do a lot of figuring and planning first. One of the most common errors people make is pricing their time too cheaply. Materials can be costly. Trim can be costly (I have gowns where the trim cost more than the fabric and other items combined!), but you must value your time in a professional manner. You also have to treat it as a business. Business owners have friends, but they can't afford to sell something at cost very often. It can be hard to tell your best friend that the wedding dress she has drooled over all her life is going to cost her XXX amount if you do it. As an Amateur I can afford to spend time embroidering, pearling and generally making something gorgeous for a friend, but I have a real job that supports my hobby :-) Wanda > My question, if you could use 3 books for this (these) > eras, which would you buy? > > The ones I have in my cart are Jane Arnold's Patterns > of Fashion 1560-1620, as well as her 1660-1860, Jean > Hunnisett's _Period Costume for Stage and Screen, > Patterns for Women's dress 1500-1800, The Tudor > Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila, and Costume Close Up: > Clothing Construction and Pattern, 1750-1790 - Linda > Baumgarten. I also have a book called Fine Machine > Sewing and Susan Khalje's Bridal Coutoure book. Do > you have any other suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 23:15:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T3F4QK012833 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:15:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T3EvwR008325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:15:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T3Ehaa086313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T3EgnE060572; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T3EeNj060534 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2951184rvb.11 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr192873rvi.282.1209438879805; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.48.3 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:14:39 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca041ced-0b53-4ff2-b74a-3eaf4296c8a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481692B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:15:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Subject: ---- Robin Netherton wrote: > About how many costume/fashion related books or magazines do you own? I feel like I should start with: "My name is Cynthia Barnes and I'm a costume addict." I've got 350+ books on sewing, fashion, then there's vintage 19th c fashion journals, some bound some not. Closely related are the etiquette, housekeeping & dance manuals. > What was the first one you purchased? Where did you purchase it? I dont remember. > What was your most recent purchase? Oh a handful. I was at CostumeCon this afternoon. Beginner's Blackwork is the most different thing for me. Then I bought some toupee clips. I went to a wig lecture & found out this morning that you can sew these clips to falls & switches then anchor them in your hair. Neat! I'm looking forward to trying these. This morning, my Jane Seymour necklace by Pewter Replicas arrived from the UK. I'm wearing it! > best deal... I have 70+ 19th c hand-colored fashion plates; most were purchased in Europe at teeny-tiny book & ephemera dealers' shops in obscure areas. > About how many period photographs do you own just for the costuming? 400+ 19th c photographs. > What book or magazine is your most treasured...if your house was on fire, you would take it with you. I'd burn to death rescuing treasures and throwing them out the window to save them from peril. > What is the worse costume book that you own? None! Just donated them for a nice tax deduction. > Do you have a room devoted to your collection? Double closet, 2 armoires, and 1/2 the garage. > When did you start collecting? Dressups? Oh maybe age 5 or 6. I had the biggest collection in the neighborhood. Hats? Jewelry? Oh, once you have 2-3 of anything, people assume it's a collection and you get more. My aunts are particularly to blame for encouragement. > Do you consider your collection for business or pleasure? I think if it more like a dragon's hoard. > How many sewing machines do you own? What types and age? Six. All working. 1897 "portable" cast-iron hand-cranked machine in it's wooden case with lots of nifty special-purpose feet, 1920s treadle converted to electric in the late 20s, the turquoise 1950s cabinet machine operated by knee instead of footpedal, a fantastic 1961 Kenmore that sews *anything* including kevlar, Viking embroidery machine, Babylock self-threading serger, and a hand-carved wooded flax(?) spindle because it was mechanically interesting. > How many sewing patterns do you own? Two file cabinets of patterns. Do books of patterns count like the RL Shep reprints? How 'bout the ones in the bound journals like Godey's Ladies Book? I dunno. Conservatively: I'd say "lots". I'm so glad we have these Costumers Anonymous meetings. I dont have a problem I can quit anytime. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 23:18:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T3Iixt013259 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:18:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T3IcUk010431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:18:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T3ISRC086464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T3IRxl063305; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T3INCZ063190 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.51] (helo=mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth13.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JqgME-0007MH-L8 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:18:18 -0400 Received: from 4.90.62.178 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: <9262514.1209439098603.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:18:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd693da4f70c26ef4f4127a6a95ec9b8847f08a8bb3e8e732a70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.51 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] FROCK COAT PATTERNS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcf195e1-2e40-455d-9d35-42c7cd2dca35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4816938F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, All. Where or from whom do I get the best buy for the money of multi-sized frock coat patterns? If you remember, I'm a small stage costume designer and wish to make five frock coats for our closet, sizes XS-XL. We don't have much money, ever! and I don't want to draft these myself as I don't have newer standard sizes for men. Also a tip on the suppliers of light weight hard finish wool blends would be appreciated. Thank you for your suggestions, Audy. in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 28 23:54:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T3sFc1015157 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:54:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T3sAg1031066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T3rhEP088902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T3rfBQ089612; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T3rcm9089489 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maryllewellyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [71.116.163.145] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JqguL-00078V-Be for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:53:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <44AD0511-B52F-4CC9-BDC4-4621A4183A28@earthlink.net> From: Mary Llewellyn Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:53:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-ELNK-Trace: 92b557201a104aa1b8fa6533d540c94a74bf435c0eb9d47825c03fe7276c88f5c4625a5e13016eab4f320e603ed7c6e2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.163.145 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Speed Regency? (was: New Topics-- please!!!!!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62678489-1586-4d3f-8d91-2ae2d28d01ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48169BE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:54:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! Lurker here, jumping in with a new topic since such were asked for. I have two questions regarding "the airspeed velocity of a relatively unembellished Regency* gown c. 1805-1810": :-) 1. Can anyone opine as to how many "seamstress-hours" it would have taken an early-19c dressmaker's workshop to make a fashionable gown? Naturally the length of time would vary with the materials, the ornamentation of the gown, and how easy or difficult a particular customer might be to fit. The only clue I have is from the second series of "Poldark", in which I vaguely remember Caroline telling Demelza that her Georgian gown, though a very fine one, will not do for London in 1799, and that the London dressmakers have partly made- up gowns that can be fitted to a customer in "four-and-twenty hours." (I assume this means a one-day turnaround, but not necessarily that the apprentices would have been burning candles around the clock to complete a gown... or would they?) 2. As a practical matter, do any of you have tips to simplify and/or speed up the construction of a Regency gown? I tried to build one for a friend, using a commercial pattern from one of the Big Three (I forget which one, but the bodice is very narrow and the melon sleeves are huge and require underlining). That dress fought me every step of the way. It didn't help that I was using a lovely but very slippery China silk. I've never finished the blasted thing -- it hangs, half-put-together, in my closet, reproaching me. (Luckily for me, my friend is now too preoccupied with her new baby to be worried about not having anything to wear to a Regency dance!) I want to try again with some cotton lawn or other reasonably well-behaved fabric and a different pattern, but I want to have some confidence that I can actually finish the project. Any sage advice? *to be pedantic, I'll just point out here that I'm using the term in the dressmaking sense - the actual English Regency was, of course, from 1811-1820... Thanks! Mary Llewellyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 00:54:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T4seJL018715 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:54:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T4sYbb017054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T4sD1b093060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T4sBaU034900; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:54:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T4s9kF034879 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A96A3042031C; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:51:54 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <9262514.1209439098603.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c8a9b5$0e7bfac0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <9262514.1209439098603.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acipp5910SmYuINbShmRncakJxhJMQADUCWw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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If you remember, I'm a small stage costume designer and wish to make five frock coats for our closet, sizes XS-XL. We don't have much money, ever! and I don't want to draft these myself as I don't have newer standard sizes for men. Also a tip on the suppliers of light weight hard finish wool blends would be appreciated. Thank you for your suggestions, Audy. in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 02:04:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T64Guo023706 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:04:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T64APQ026819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T63dGg096650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T63cMR081847; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T63aHC081827 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1389168ana.65 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.173.9 with SMTP id v9mr856781ane.39.1209449015526; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.12.12 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ec4d8740804282303tf87202ehb94df6979b307db2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:03:35 -0500 From: "Elena House" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190804281853h272e4076ueaa29348e60d886d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d21ac190804281853h272e4076ueaa29348e60d886d@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat bottomed (and other) armholes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 646cfbca-d805-4f5b-9e76-53e6e1251193 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4816BA5A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Spoilsports! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 02:29:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T6TAGK003126 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:29:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T6T5JR007429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:29:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T6ShHF097895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T6Sg2B000252; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T6SeUJ000218 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:28:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aylwengg@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so6559229wfa.23 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.133.15 with SMTP id g15mr1064322wfd.271.1209450520441; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.161.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:28:40 +1000 From: "Aylwen Garden" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <003e01c8a9b5$0e7bfac0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9262514.1209439098603.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <003e01c8a9b5$0e7bfac0$040ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FROCK COAT PATTERNS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bfc7289-22f5-4e19-af66-5726e6a0667b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4816C031.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:29:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO What era frock coats are you wanting to make? I can advise on regency and 18C, but have yet to try 1830s +. Cheers, Aylwen On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > At Costume Con this last weekend, we were talking and someone said the > pattern from Laughing Moon Patterns was good. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of AVCHASE > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:18 PM > To: h-costume posts > Subject: [h-cost] FROCK COAT PATTERNS > > Hi, All. > > Where or from whom do I get the best buy for the money of multi-sized frock > coat patterns? If you remember, I'm a small stage costume designer and wish > to make five frock coats for our closet, sizes XS-XL. We don't have much > money, ever! and I don't want to draft these myself as I don't have newer > standard sizes for men. > > Also a tip on the suppliers of light weight hard finish wool blends would be > appreciated. > > Thank you for your suggestions, Audy. > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 05:17:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3T9HRxi000679 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:17:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3T9HIlk001224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:17:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3T9GgcT007009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T9FZ09036602; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3T9FWqj036518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3T9FVL6087107 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:14:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <9262514.1209439098603.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] FROCK COAT PATTERNS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fbb1d31-e9a1-4255-9170-d82ff9251256 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4816E79E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:17:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm terribly biased, but I think Reconstructing History patterns are the best. And here's why: 1) They're on bond paper, not tissue, so you can use them again and again. 2) They have all sizes in the same envelope, so you can make multiple garments from one pattern. 3) Our sizes run from the very small (34 chest) to the very large (54 chest). 4) Our customer service is excellent -- through phone, email, and website contacts, you can practically get us any time of the day. Go here: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fabric.php?c=22&w=24&r=Y and click on "Pirate Era" and "Mid-18thc and Regency" to see all our Frock Coats. PS -- We also sell a lovely lightweight wool flannel: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fabric.php?c=103&w=24&r=Y Kass -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AVCHASE Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:18 PM To: h-costume posts Subject: [h-cost] FROCK COAT PATTERNS Hi, All. Where or from whom do I get the best buy for the money of multi-sized frock coat patterns? If you remember, I'm a small stage costume designer and wish to make five frock coats for our closet, sizes XS-XL. We don't have much money, ever! and I don't want to draft these myself as I don't have newer standard sizes for men. Also a tip on the suppliers of light weight hard finish wool blends would be appreciated. Thank you for your suggestions, Audy. in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 06:48:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TAmAnW014936 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TAm3YT009045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TAlbql012558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TAlY3N006556; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TAlVrm006448 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c9f.2ac24eac (14457) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:47:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:47:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] Vintage patterns and clothing, cigarette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dacd39b-affd-40cf-8ef7-6739d2871d01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4816FCE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The yellowing is more of an issue with the clothing than the books or patterns, I'd say. The value of any books and patterns will be reduced a little, but less than if the clothing is yellowed. Not necessarily rendering the clothing worthless, as there are more ways to get marks and stains out of the clothes than the books. As far as the smell goes, I have to say that the best thing in the world for getting rid of cigarette smoke smell is just plain fresh air! (which can be indoor smoke free air as well as outdoor). Sympathies on the smokiness though - I once moved into a flat that had to have the ceiling scrubbed with neat bleach to get rid of the tar. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 11:46:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TFkuRQ001918 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:46:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TFkjl2018121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:46:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TFk6cc043660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TFk12Q014936; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3TFjwYr014758 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29043 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2008 15:45:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 62VZbFgVM1lZ3aQmkC_I1mRMf16WD6FQ8W8YjD.dzkhwe.MQolrMl7UIkXX5kyoltWNSMNz0_4zRPWiETWG0nykbsO6TxYMYRq_eDidWv_ocmKFBwrN0Cc8B4bE- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:45:53 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <171103.18315.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b20536dd-33a3-4bd5-abba-b8d6b60ffcf0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 481742E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:46:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I'm wondering about buying a book from these series, I'll be most interested in the 17th century and the 14th and 15th. Other periods are ok, but these three are my main interest right now. I'm not looking for a fashion theory itself, but for something practical, like advice on making, recreating etc. A sort of books that are very helpful to me are books with instructions or patterns for the re-creating the costume (The medieval tailor's assistant, The tudor tailor, Frances Grimble's books, Janet Arnold,...). These book series seem to have two parts: one is theory, one is praxis. But I've seen no examples (excerpts), no "index", almost no reviews. Do you think these books might be a help if I'm looking for info of middle/lower class costume and am an advanced sewer? Or is it a waste of money? Any other books recommended? Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 12:00:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TG0QQA002475 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:00:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TG0H3N018885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TFxqan050209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:59:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TFxpYC031341; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TFxlEc031174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:2680 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JqsF4-0001I8-3h for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:59:42 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429165844.0384ac00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:59:31 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <171103.18315.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <171103.18315.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c98d759-9b4d-47dc-8c87-a4c4c6653569 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48174611.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:00:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 16:45 29/04/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm wondering about buying a book from these series, I'll be most >interested in the 17th century and the 14th and 15th. Other periods >are ok, but these three are my main interest right now. Is this a particular series, or are you just looking for general recommendations? Suzi >I'm not looking for a fashion theory itself, but for something >practical, like advice on making, recreating etc. A sort of books >that are very helpful to me are books with instructions or patterns >for the re-creating the costume (The medieval tailor's assistant, >The tudor tailor, Frances Grimble's books, Janet Arnold,...). > >These book series seem to have two parts: one is theory, one is >praxis. But I've seen no examples (excerpts), no "index", almost no reviews. > >Do you think these books might be a help if I'm looking for info of >middle/lower class costume and am an advanced sewer? Or is it a >waste of money? Any other books recommended? > >Thanks, > >Zuzana > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 13:09:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TH9II5005575 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:09:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TH9DAa006643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TH8jaU074139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TH8h83018401; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3TH8eNZ018220 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31864 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2008 17:08:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BSqfpiMVM1lO35LDQCzZ4ey9SGH9dpztwhlAvzyDdAMsMVLFowDeMHE.IZl_xFKEyjl3rfPr5rtAgddOD2HfPprCL7K2a6f1mrq8D7RJ08UEXFzjwnE1F0awAFM- Received: from [75.90.106.119] by web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:08:34 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky Simpson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <926966.31777.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9d17953-311a-4e1e-b31e-cb3d0d8b300d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48175639.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. Vicky Cynthia" wrote: Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather dressy. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume You can find me at http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 or www.southerngracedesigns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 13:31:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3THVJNT006506 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:31:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3THV6AA014657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3THUdKp079507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3THUci7044799; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3THUZsj044592 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97779 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2008 17:30:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GYrx2N0VM1mAs8rczVuLeLV_eObbEJUFAddIP6shWN3qKCLZtb4t.K1xdcDoFKHvqu04LeP6yRMItck_esbyAdZNPHkZ2hKNNxWPcJzgqwV1L6nbmAxofXX3JQ0- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:30:29 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429165844.0384ac00@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <919512.97289.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 807ea8c8-664e-4287-927b-1e850e592b74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48175B5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:31:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO It is a particular series. If you, however, knew of something better, I'd be glad to hear about it. Suzi Clarke wrote: At 16:45 29/04/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm wondering about buying a book from these series, I'll be most >interested in the 17th century and the 14th and 15th. Other periods >are ok, but these three are my main interest right now. Is this a particular series, or are you just looking for general recommendations? Suzi >I'm not looking for a fashion theory itself, but for something >practical, like advice on making, recreating etc. A sort of books >that are very helpful to me are books with instructions or patterns >for the re-creating the costume (The medieval tailor's assistant, >The tudor tailor, Frances Grimble's books, Janet Arnold,...). > >These book series seem to have two parts: one is theory, one is >praxis. But I've seen no examples (excerpts), no "index", almost no reviews. > >Do you think these books might be a help if I'm looking for info of >middle/lower class costume and am an advanced sewer? Or is it a >waste of money? Any other books recommended? > >Thanks, > >Zuzana > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 13:37:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3THbZEn006865 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:37:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3THbSXG017951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3THW19k079704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3THW1YG046566; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3THVx8s046506 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so135805rne.11 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.79.8 with SMTP id g8mr8229317wal.215.1209490317359; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0804291031q94bc543te2fafc158974f2f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:31:52 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <926966.31777.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <926966.31777.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b4c9bbe-05ed-4e46-be36-27e1880d98ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48175CD9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Cynthia, Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New Items" that I hadn't seen before. Help please! Thanks, Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > Vicky > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > dressy. > > Cindy Abel > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > You can find me at > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > or > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 13:39:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3THddEu006953 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:39:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3THdYHJ023680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:39:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3THdEh7080770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:39:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3THdENW055828; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:39:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3THdAtD055644 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:39:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82534 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2008 17:39:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3Pf1xEsVM1mn6fTDBZZQJeAnyuVoZebePpB5iZs3lPWIvi.nUqYa_1urLmXURNnYKnDy4i9QNZb0ImaX0yIxDQK4zANyje8202cop5SMZ4dc_NkVWbRMW28XOLo- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:39:04 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0804291031q94bc543te2fafc158974f2f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <619110.82277.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9d64895-6bc5-4ced-930b-8197cf8a193b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48175D56.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If someone's ever going to try the new corset, drawers and chemise pattern 2890, let me know the results! I was very satisfied with the 7215 corset pattern, so I'd like to try this one. Zuzana Lynn Downward wrote: Cynthia, Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New Items" that I hadn't seen before. Help please! Thanks, Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > Vicky > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > dressy. > > Cindy Abel > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > You can find me at > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > or > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:04:37 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TI4bYO007826 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TI4RcG002006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TI4AAf084221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TI49uO086746; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TI46xt086672 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 025164C36A for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:00:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 878D24C367 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:00:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513DE24008A for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:04:05 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:03:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8296995c0804291031q94bc543te2fafc158974f2f@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Thread-Index: AciqH6eEy4/fPJoPQO+0NlEcSqz1EAAAo7Tg References: <926966.31777.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8296995c0804291031q94bc543te2fafc158974f2f@mail.gmail.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8061473-29bb-4d42-856b-86dfe15fd955 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4817632B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period was "done). Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Cynthia, Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New Items" that I hadn't seen before. Help please! Thanks, Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson wrote: > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I love > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > Vicky > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > dressy. > > Cindy Abel > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > You can find me at > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > or > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:04:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TI4df2007829 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TI4TPP011682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TI3sSU084180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TI3orY086397; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:03:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TI3liJ086238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:2921 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JquB4-0007hH-7o for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:03:42 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429190255.03922790@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:03:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <919512.97289.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429165844.0384ac00@suziclarke.co.uk> <919512.97289.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 761d7c84-f834-4713-8288-4c0685a8a39e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4817632D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:04:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:30 29/04/2008, you wrote: >It is a particular series. If you, however, knew of something >better, I'd be glad to hear about it. My point is that I don't know it - can you give me more details? Suzi >Suzi Clarke wrote: At 16:45 29/04/2008, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm wondering about buying a book from these series, I'll be most > >interested in the 17th century and the 14th and 15th. Other periods > >are ok, but these three are my main interest right now. > >Is this a particular series, or are you just looking for general >recommendations? > >Suzi > > > >I'm not looking for a fashion theory itself, but for something > >practical, like advice on making, recreating etc. A sort of books > >that are very helpful to me are books with instructions or patterns > >for the re-creating the costume (The medieval tailor's assistant, > >The tudor tailor, Frances Grimble's books, Janet Arnold,...). > > > >These book series seem to have two parts: one is theory, one is > >praxis. But I've seen no examples (excerpts), no "index", almost no reviews. > > > >Do you think these books might be a help if I'm looking for info of > >middle/lower class costume and am an advanced sewer? Or is it a > >waste of money? Any other books recommended? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Zuzana > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! > >Mobile. Try it now. > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:15:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TIFAFT008238 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TIEupv018706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:15:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TIEXoG085798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIEUJ4099179; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3TIEQgc099017 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90586 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2008 18:14:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u3fbI7EVM1lcGgT5ThXQ4pK1Qla4528krp284R6bppJs8aRIPRE3Y5968Nki4jLBv4t4upuxq9T6cJXSbjHvlzMJgcJszgtcw6OZwcXKcbVSZ_kXeDbttSBm2p8- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:14:20 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429190255.03922790@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <922402.89904.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15084af0-0a20-4df0-9881-234cf6a0fb08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481765A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:15:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know very little about it either, that's why I'm asking here. Amazon.uk has some copies: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-2517721-5491063?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=clothes+of+the+common&x=0&y=0 I think someone here suggested these books to me, but I thought I'd need more feedback before purchasing books that might not be very helpful to me. Zuzana Suzi Clarke wrote: At 18:30 29/04/2008, you wrote: >It is a particular series. If you, however, knew of something >better, I'd be glad to hear about it. My point is that I don't know it - can you give me more details? Suzi >Suzi Clarke wrote: At 16:45 29/04/2008, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm wondering about buying a book from these series, I'll be most > >interested in the 17th century and the 14th and 15th. Other periods > >are ok, but these three are my main interest right now. > >Is this a particular series, or are you just looking for general >recommendations? > >Suzi > > > >I'm not looking for a fashion theory itself, but for something > >practical, like advice on making, recreating etc. A sort of books > >that are very helpful to me are books with instructions or patterns > >for the re-creating the costume (The medieval tailor's assistant, > >The tudor tailor, Frances Grimble's books, Janet Arnold,...). > > > >These book series seem to have two parts: one is theory, one is > >praxis. But I've seen no examples (excerpts), no "index", almost no reviews. > > > >Do you think these books might be a help if I'm looking for info of > >middle/lower class costume and am an advanced sewer? Or is it a > >waste of money? Any other books recommended? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Zuzana > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! > >Mobile. Try it now. > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! >Mobile. Try it now. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:26:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TIQh4Q008698 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:26:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TIOdTH017559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:26:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TIOKGw086858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIOJP8010349; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIOGgx010204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:3019 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JquUt-0001jj-7D for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:24:11 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429192016.03872058@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:24:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <922402.89904.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429190255.03922790@suziclarke.co.uk> <922402.89904.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0ec4d05-770b-4327-9a53-0d69e7e74842 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 481767E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:14 29/04/2008, you wrote: >I know very little about it either, that's why I'm asking here. >Amazon.uk has some copies: >http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-2517721-5491063?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=clothes+of+the+common&x=0&y=0 > >I think someone here suggested these books to me, but I thought I'd >need more feedback before purchasing books that might not be very >helpful to me. These books have been recommended on Living History sites in the U.K. The research is very thorough, through wills and papers in Essex I think. I personally do not know them, and have not liked some the clothes made by Jane Huggett, but that is a personal opinion. I know other people who have been happy with what she's made. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:43:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TIhJ7d009547 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:43:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TIh4LF030437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TIgaAp089008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIgZPM032343; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18RmzSEJEO/dAlIXB2jgFE8hIqOAnkVjZk@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIgVhG032192 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1a.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.166]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3TIgTHu009646 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:42:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 831 invoked by uid 80); 29 Apr 2008 18:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.175 with ESMTPA; 29 Apr 2008 18:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <48176C14.3010707@netherton.net> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:42:28 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <922402.89904.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <922402.89904.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70563ecc-34a3-4901-ba01-cb1cf11f20c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48176C38.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:43:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I know very little about it either, that's why I'm asking here. Amazon.uk has some copies: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-2517721-5491063?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=clothes+of+the+common&x=0&y=0 I'd never heard of them myself, but they do appear to have some volumes in my own periods of interest, so I'd be curious. They appear to be printed by a living history organization. Here's the website: http://www.stuart-hmaltd.com/index.php The "About Us" section is very instructive. I bet these people and their books would be well known among the UK re-enactors and so it might be worth asking about this at the UK living history web forum, http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/ For the books, look under "publications" on the Stuart site and follow the "Clothing" links by date range. The one name I recognize under the authors is Sarah Thursfield, who is also a living history costumer and of course has her own book on making medieval clothing. Most of the books, however, seem to be written by Robert Morris and Jane Hugget (or Huggett, they are inconsistent in spelling her name). The prices here vary slightly from Amazon so it would be worth careful comparisons and consideration of shipping if you're going to buy. At least they give a line of description for each and a page count (some are obviously pamphlets). Of interest is the note at the bottom: "Historical Management Associates Ltd. makes a range of historically-correct fabrics such as frieze, kersey, russet, cotton and say." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:54:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TIs8hh010007 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:54:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TIs37V011841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:54:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TIronH090370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIrnKx048443; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from editx1.securesites.net (editx1.securesites.net [207.56.151.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIrTjW048029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from coyote (207-172-185-78.c3-0.eas-ubr4.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com [207.172.185.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by editx1.securesites.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m3TIrS2K050395 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Kass McGann" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:52:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <48176C14.3010707@netherton.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46d6deed-ecfd-4275-8a18-2b56f426cd4c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48176ECB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:54:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Of interest is the note at the bottom: "Historical Management Associates Ltd. makes a range of historically-correct fabrics such as frieze, kersey, russet, cotton and say." --Robin >>>> I saw their offerings the last time I was in the UK. Awesome stuff. Limited in colour and availability, but the "real deal" -- made from period fleeces and everything. And of course outrageously expensive, especially with the sinking dollar. Unfortunately I don't think they sell to the US. You kinda have to go to them. Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:58:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TIwNFp010190 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:58:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TIwERJ028740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TIvYQF090833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIvYKL052855; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIvVfN052703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:3338 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jqv13-00050W-S4 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:57:26 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429195334.038c52a0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:57:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <48176C14.3010707@netherton.net> References: <922402.89904.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48176C14.3010707@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2940877a-c7ca-41d0-9a0e-13c702581825 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48176FC6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:58:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:42 29/04/2008, you wrote: >Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > I know very little about it either, that's why I'm asking here. > Amazon.uk has some copies: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-2517721-5491063?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=clothes+of+the+common&x=0&y=0 > >I'd never heard of them myself, but they do appear to have some volumes in my >own periods of interest, so I'd be curious. > >They appear to be printed by a living history organization. Here's >the website: > >http://www.stuart-hmaltd.com/index.php > >The "About Us" section is very instructive. I bet these people and >their books >would be well known among the UK re-enactors and so it might be worth asking >about this at the UK living history web forum, >http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/ > >For the books, look under "publications" on the Stuart site and follow the >"Clothing" links by date range. The one name I recognize under the authors is >Sarah Thursfield, who is also a living history costumer and of course has her >own book on making medieval clothing. Most of the books, however, seem to be >written by Robert Morris and Jane Hugget (or Huggett, they are >inconsistent in >spelling her name). > >The prices here vary slightly from Amazon so it would be worth careful >comparisons and consideration of shipping if you're going to buy. At least >they give a line of description for each and a page count (some are obviously >pamphlets). > >Of interest is the note at the bottom: "Historical Management Associates Ltd. >makes a range of historically-correct fabrics such as frieze, kersey, russet, >cotton and say." The fabrics are dyed with dyes that would have been available at the time, and hand woven. They are highly recommended by U.K. re-enactors. The group as a whole has an excellent reputation. (I do not use the books myself, as I am a snob, and only work with "gentry" and not the common people *snigger*) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 14:59:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TIxlsf010245 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:59:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TIxgxt006876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TIxGKH091039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIxGXl054880; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TIxCTc054676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:3343 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jqv2g-00059i-S5 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:59:07 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429195750.038c53e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:58:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <48176C14.3010707@netherton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdca68a2-35c0-47c3-ba03-34f66680ef60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4817701E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:59:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:52 29/04/2008, you wrote: >Of interest is the note at the bottom: "Historical Management Associates >Ltd. >makes a range of historically-correct fabrics such as frieze, kersey, >russet, >cotton and say." > >--Robin > >>>> >I saw their offerings the last time I was in the UK. Awesome stuff. >Limited in colour and availability, but the "real deal" -- made from period >fleeces and everything. And of course outrageously expensive, especially >with the sinking dollar. Unfortunately I don't think they sell to the US. >You kinda have to go to them. And wait. It takes a long time to prepare the fabric. A colleague of mine just received hers after some longish wait, and was well pleased. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 15:36:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TJaoiq011799 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:36:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TJajvP016771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TJa8V7095718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TJa59K001268; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/8NR3mM92raq73nmqgLuQO707Z6Dy0DCA@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TJa2BK001185 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1j.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.188]) by mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3TJa0vR021873 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:36:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 23708 invoked by uid 80); 29 Apr 2008 19:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh! You're talking about the Stuart Press Books. Paul Meekins Books in the UK carries them all: http://www.paulmeekins.co.uk/pamphlets/pamphletindex.htm They're not bad. They use a lot of wills and probate inventories as sources. But they often don't give enough information to be really helpful in constructing garments from the time period. I've found their evidence to be very historically accurate, but some of their patterns to be very theatrical. A great source for information -- not a great source for period construction techniques. They're nothing close to the level of Arnold, or even the Tudor Tailor. Kass Looking for the perfect gift for the RH fan on your list? Try a RH Gift Certificate . They never expire! http://reconstructinghistory.com http://community.livejournal.com/rh_community/ http://kass-rants.livejournal.com http://www.reconstructinghistory.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman I know very little about it either, that's why I'm asking here. Amazon.uk has some copies: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-2517721-5491063?url=search-alia s%3Daps&field-keywords=clothes+of+the+common&x=0&y=0 I think someone here suggested these books to me, but I thought I'd need more feedback before purchasing books that might not be very helpful to me. Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 15:50:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TJodMW012449 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TJoSoE007379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TJo4rY097515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TJo3Ed018326; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TJnxOO018092 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KUk21Z0010QkzPwA90LB00; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:40 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KXpu1Z00H3rRbVG8N00000; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U3hEmUqycN8A:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=BWAsOWwtK8kPEViqGeQA:9 a=YGY1w7Bwqdm0sPCoWvsA:7 a=RHilACtiYLsfXt3L5XWfgxY6nZQA:4 a=j5-UxU_4qtUA:10 a=4bFPLJZhqewA:10 a=LQmMChVNH1QA:10 a=TVe_Rs3oAAAA:8 a=s3xYztxqp22uY7ONK5oA:9 a=DNAOJIRfD1uHyNXHBewA:7 a=fdOvC4C1pwk4RzbF2AYZVXV8SLIA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:54 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:54 +0000 Message-Id: <042920081949.4988.48177BE1000F18A50000137C22007613949D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d646560-9f0e-4835-a74b-d95d67197b42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48177C05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Uh-oh. A challenge! *grin* Lauren Walker aka lauren@timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Kass McGann" > Of interest is the note at the bottom: "Historical Management Associates > Ltd. > makes a range of historically-correct fabrics such as frieze, kersey, > russet, > cotton and say." > > --Robin > >>>> > I saw their offerings the last time I was in the UK. Awesome stuff. > Limited in colour and availability, but the "real deal" -- made from period > fleeces and everything. And of course outrageously expensive, especially > with the sinking dollar. Unfortunately I don't think they sell to the US. > You kinda have to go to them. > > Kass > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 15:50:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TJoqdC012455 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TJol0O013703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TJoN76097550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TJoMTj018690; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TJo0gL018107 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:50:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KVRR1Z0050QkzPwA40Dn00; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:48:05 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KXpu1Z00H3rRbVG8N00000; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U3hEmUqycN8A:10 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=BWAsOWwtK8kPEViqGeQA:9 a=YGY1w7Bwqdm0sPCoWvsA:7 a=RHilACtiYLsfXt3L5XWfgxY6nZQA:4 a=j5-UxU_4qtUA:10 a=4bFPLJZhqewA:10 a=LQmMChVNH1QA:10 a=TVe_Rs3oAAAA:8 a=s3xYztxqp22uY7ONK5oA:9 a=DNAOJIRfD1uHyNXHBewA:7 a=fdOvC4C1pwk4RzbF2AYZVXV8SLIA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:54 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:49:54 +0000 Message-Id: <042920081949.4988.48177BE1000F18A50000137C22007613949D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc7ea661-d076-47e7-8ac6-7e3d3f26e4e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48177C17.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:50:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Uh-oh. A challenge! *grin* Lauren Walker aka lauren@timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Kass McGann" > Of interest is the note at the bottom: "Historical Management Associates > Ltd. > makes a range of historically-correct fabrics such as frieze, kersey, > russet, > cotton and say." > > --Robin > >>>> > I saw their offerings the last time I was in the UK. Awesome stuff. > Limited in colour and availability, but the "real deal" -- made from period > fleeces and everything. And of course outrageously expensive, especially > with the sinking dollar. Unfortunately I don't think they sell to the US. > You kinda have to go to them. > > Kass > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 16:09:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TK9ZmW013367 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:09:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TK9PqT018620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:09:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TK8u72099926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TK8t7K052082; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TK8nJM051752 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.125]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080429200843.NYKN6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:08:43 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.125]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080429200842.KTHL6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:08:42 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:07:19 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080429200842.KTHL6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bd10ce2-0003-4561-b4f2-20b625baf72a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48178075.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 16:21:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TKL8oG014415 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:21:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TKKtBb025555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TKKb4H001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TKKYg5066881; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3TKKWAS066683 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 14110 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 20:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:20:25 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:20:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8aa3e$d7c62340$970d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20080429200842.KTHL6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AciqNPGxn1YMkstMQta9vHtaX/JIVQACYcAg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0aafc7e7-ccf4-463c-9f00-ad86f9fe1faa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48178327.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Liadain Who also wants to know _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 16:34:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TKYJ8C015403 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:34:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TKYDKD022013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TKXksd002928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TKXk8J083225; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TKXhQC083081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-90-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.90.239]:3480 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JqwW9-00066D-Jt for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:33:38 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080429213051.03876470@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:33:27 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000201c8aa3e$d7c62340$970d140a@edwardstepobxw> References: <20080429200842.KTHL6487.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <000201c8aa3e$d7c62340$970d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35ebb1a6-0b66-4072-bb78-14414030a9a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48178645.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:34:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 22:20 29/04/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone heard anymore about the publication below? Such as >publisher and a real date? > >Jenny Tiramani is currently preparing Janet Arnold's book, Patterns >of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construction of linen shirts, >smocks, neckwear, headwear & accessories for men and women >c.1540-1660 for publication in 2008. That's Santina Levey and Jenny Tiramani. The last time I spoke to them, they were expecting to be publishing early this year, but both have their own work, and I know Tina was ill for a while. They published Janet's notes on the Effigy Corset, plus her patterns, in "Costume", the journal of the Costume Society, in 2007. Suzi >Thanks, >Beth Matney > > All I know is that I really really really want this.......wish they'd >quit foolin' around.... > >Liadain >Who also wants to know > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 17:29:45 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TLTjtS019127 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:29:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TLTd5x011902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:29:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TLT5vk009912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TLT3mf047312; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:29:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TLT16M047188 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sid.young@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so226221wri.8 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr2852706rvo.90.1209504534325; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.161.16 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <674184e90804291428w7942844dt5fa65714821cf727@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:28:54 +1000 From: "S Young" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <926966.31777.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8296995c0804291031q94bc543te2fafc158974f2f@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d02f8b58-7e90-42de-9394-fa2d9b44fe88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48179343.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:29:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO All these patterns pop up on eBay from time to time, so you can usually find them. I did a quick search and: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/simplicity_patterns.php Has a few of the patterns scanned with some details... I quite like "Simplicity 5724 Civil War Ball Dress pattern" The simplicity web site list the new patterns (2881, 2887 and 2890) right down the bottom of the page: http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm I quite like the new offerings... me thinks a trip to Spotlight one lunch time might be in order! Sidney On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns > are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very > often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and > patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get > updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in > Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's > gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There > Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that > there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. > Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was > researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period > was "done). > > Cindy Abel > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Lynn Downward > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > Cynthia, > > Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the > Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New > Items" > that I hadn't seen before. Help please! > > Thanks, > Lynn > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson > > wrote: > > > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I > love > > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > > > Vicky > > > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > > dressy. > > > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > You can find me at > > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > > or > > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Visit Sid's "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" http://z900.piczo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 18:52:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TMqBJB023161 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:52:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TMq44T015108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:52:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TMpUXC018511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TMpRhd029573; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3TMpNOA029518 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200804292251.m3TMpNOA029518@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 18574 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 15:49:21 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17976, pid: 18565, t: 0.4725s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8IScHP8c9PQA:10 a=vfKkhi174JwA:10 a=uDb4aMAuAAAA:8 a=Ro9ohDTKAD2KImAlHzcA:9 a=Zv_5iHs3kcyizzZ6H_0A:7 a=6OqowhUf8yfw2MfqYFWfu48P2YEA:4 a=kMKvJDVgyWoA:10 a=rzhcjpGrj_QA:10 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 a=T3vklfX9ltrUUdyxeAcA:9 a=p5NAhSAZVdn1V4rjwVsA:7 a=iNXHka-Y-c-oEV5jvvcqL2xqXUwA:4 a=pkiKVj76OLYA:10 a=MkieC0s4yfcA:10 a=IqZwtFL9RWAA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 15:49:20 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:47:51 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Joan, Limited time promotional sale on new super light weight fabric! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb04f9c2-928b-4f17-9a15-dd3eaed80134 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4817A694.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >From: "Fabrics-Store.com Chronicle" > >Dear Joan, > >What a better way to start your projects than with huge savings on >an incredibly popular fabric! > >You have heard of the very light weight fabric. 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From your friendly fabric stash facilitator >:-}, Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 19:03:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3TN3mnP023634 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:03:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TN3hsQ022226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:03:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3TN3Mts019473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TN3Lpr040745; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3TN3KHH040652 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so40042wah.3 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.1 with SMTP id j1mr22437wad.85.1209510194593; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0804291603q18b3affarbd27e49df8e03492@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:03:14 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <674184e90804291428w7942844dt5fa65714821cf727@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <926966.31777.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8296995c0804291031q94bc543te2fafc158974f2f@mail.gmail.com> <674184e90804291428w7942844dt5fa65714821cf727@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bbbd6be-8016-45f0-9534-c0ff10bcd608 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4817A94F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:03:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I swear these new patterns weren't there last night when I checked. They're certainly there now, though. I think I prefer Laughing Moon's Man's Frock Coat, although the shirt in that pattern looks ok. The two dresses are really pretty. Again, I think I prefer Laughing Moon's underwear pattern to the Simplicity one, but it's a lovely chemise. Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM, S Young wrote: > All these patterns pop up on eBay from time to time, so you can usually > find > them. I did a quick search and: > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/simplicity_patterns.php > > Has a few of the patterns scanned with some details... I quite like > "Simplicity 5724 Civil War Ball Dress pattern" > > The simplicity web site list the new patterns (2881, 2887 and 2890) right > down the bottom of the page: > > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm > > I quite like the new offerings... me thinks a trip to Spotlight one lunch > time might be in order! > > Sidney > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia > wrote: > > > The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns > > are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very > > often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and > > patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get > > updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in > > Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's > > gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There > > Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that > > there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. > > Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was > > researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period > > was "done). > > > > Cindy Abel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On Behalf Of Lynn Downward > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > > > Cynthia, > > > > Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the > > Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New > > Items" > > that I hadn't seen before. Help please! > > > > Thanks, > > Lynn > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson > > > > wrote: > > > > > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > > > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I > > love > > > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > > > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > > > > > Vicky > > > > > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > > > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > > > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > > > dressy. > > > > > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find me at > > > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > > > or > > > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Visit Sid's > "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" > http://z900.piczo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 20:39:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U0dndV027991 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:39:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U0dgaE030692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U0Xw22025691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U0XvXv037276; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:33:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3U0Xsj7037164 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93966 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2008 00:33:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PcPyrJ4VM1lmgV4Ba22qdYD8mDhSd3mQOeA.w2dxajzO8Y3WfwTZ9xZ7i1HYvh.w_YpAhTvpqKVaDCRMp_ZGFlZQZKcC6zGf1.6Y4D1HzRRr5._jd9nUuzuAXMQ- Received: from [75.90.106.119] by web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:33:48 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky Simpson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0804291603q18b3affarbd27e49df8e03492@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <649946.93715.qm@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfa14594-3bde-4126-b51b-9b6bb56a6c9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4817BFCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:39:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In popular opinion, do they have the correct period look? Vicky Lynn Downward wrote: I swear these new patterns weren't there last night when I checked. They're certainly there now, though. I think I prefer Laughing Moon's Man's Frock Coat, although the shirt in that pattern looks ok. The two dresses are really pretty. Again, I think I prefer Laughing Moon's underwear pattern to the Simplicity one, but it's a lovely chemise. Lynn On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM, S Young wrote: > All these patterns pop up on eBay from time to time, so you can usually > find > them. I did a quick search and: > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/simplicity_patterns.php > > Has a few of the patterns scanned with some details... I quite like > "Simplicity 5724 Civil War Ball Dress pattern" > > The simplicity web site list the new patterns (2881, 2887 and 2890) right > down the bottom of the page: > > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=wnsimp.cfm > > I quite like the new offerings... me thinks a trip to Spotlight one lunch > time might be in order! > > Sidney > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia > wrote: > > > The Simplicity website may not have been updated yet. The dress patterns > > are 2881 and 2887. The chemise, corset and drawers pattern is 2890. Very > > often, McCalls, Butterick, Vogue, and Simplicity new pattern books and > > patterns are available at major fabric stores before the websites get > > updated. Look for the "Summer" Simplicity book. My local JoAnn's in > > Omaha, NE had it, so others must too. There is also a men's c1880's > > gambler, Wild West, whatever pattern, maybe inspired by the movie "There > > Will be Blood" or HBO series "Deadwood." I was kind of disappointed that > > there were no new patterns for circa 1300-1800, with summer RenFaires. > > Hoping the Martha McCain 18th century patterns(last I heard, she was > > researching them as Simplicity supposedly thought the Civil War period > > was "done). > > > > Cindy Abel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On Behalf Of Lynn Downward > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:32 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > > > Cynthia, > > > > Which two patterns are you talking about as the new ones? I was on the > > Simplicity website and didn't see anything new, even under the "New > > Items" > > that I hadn't seen before. Help please! > > > > Thanks, > > Lynn > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Vicky Simpson > > > > wrote: > > > > > I didn't know that there were new ones out, or I would have been at > > > Joann's too. Guess I'll have to wait until the next pattern sale as I > > love > > > the green one. I'm starting on my first civil war era dress today, > > > Simplicity 3727. Wish me luck. > > > > > > Vicky > > > > > > Cynthia" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simplicity summer catalog is out at my local Joann's so I snagged the > > > two new Civil War gown patterns, and the chemise, drawers and corset > > > pattern at the Thurs-Sat $1.99 pattern sale. The gowns are rather > > > dressy. > > > > > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find me at > > > http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 > > > or > > > www.southerngracedesigns.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > > > Visit Sid's > "Classic Japanese Motorcycle Restoration Site" > http://z900.piczo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume You can find me at http://360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007 or www.southerngracedesigns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 21:18:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U1ItGc029597 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:18:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U1Iono014704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:18:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U1Iak3028952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U1IZet075534; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U1IVwT075445 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:18:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jr0xm-0001Nd-H9 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:18:26 -0400 Received: from 4.90.61.249 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:18:26 -0400 Message-ID: <26169351.1209518306468.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:18:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVCHASE To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69f4e85f2cf904b18e49c4483e44c94910666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] FROCK COATS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d0a94c5-9f82-4f89-876a-0f153ef81fdc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4817C8FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 22:53:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U2r2FR000841 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:53:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U2quUF013898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:52:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U2qXHc035730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U2qSIU042910; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U2qPXP042853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3U2qNAK023028 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:52:24 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:54:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <481507B4.9000705@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c70d1a4-f3dc-49d2-9f66-d2e195d26b64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4817DF08.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:53:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > And do you have the sales figures on (a) what "gangbusters" consists of > in terms of both units sold and profits realized, and (b) how many of > these copies were actually sold to SCA members? Do you? I can ask Ian Stevens when I see him tomorrow. Although I doubt that he has such figures at his fingertips any more than I would be expected to. That I get answers from various publishers who are pleased with their SCA sales makes me think that we are not a contemptible source of revenue for them. > > Even the larger reenactor markets are not great sales markets. I find > theatrical costumers to be a much larger, more profitable, and more > reliable market. They will usually buy a book if they think it will > facilitate their work; in other words, if they have a real professional > need for it. Hobbyists usually pay less and are less likely to buy > rather than borrow, or to not read the book at all. Considering the less than stellar costumes we have been treated to in various theatrical attempts this year I'd say that Theater Costumers are pretty much wasting their time buying these books on costuming. The basic thrust of all theatrical costume books I've seen and have seem to be far more interested in creating the "look" than the accurate cut and construction of clothing. Some renditions are enough to gag a maggot - "The Tudors" being the worst I've seen lately. The costume library of the Shakespeare Festival in Ashland, Oregon (not a shabby small town effort) is exactly that; a library meant for costumers, not researchers. > That does not mean that the SCA > is the only or main market of Maney Publishing, or anyone else outside > the SCA community. Of course not. They publish a great many journals for many societies to include the Costume Society. Why in the world would you expect them to > > I've lost track of how many members the SCA has, but last time I checked > it was a few thousand. Present PAID memberships in the SCA are 29,500. This does not count those who play but do not pay. My experience both here in the US and in Europe is that there are between 5 and 10 active SCA players to every paid member. This is the result of not requiring an actual membership to play except to hold an office. Therefore we have a large number of college students and even some quite old members who simply refuse to "pay to play". It is always amusing to see the professional names of well known SCA members who are Medieval History professors in their mundane lives. > For costume books with patterns, there is a solid if niche > bread-and-butter market of professional costumers who will buy them > because they need them, and that's what we really rely on. Costume books for professional costumers... Certainly there is The Tudor Tailor, published by ladies who clothe the docents of Hampton Court, but Film and stage costumers intent on accuracy, or on "the look" > > > > > Any market is better than no market > > No, it is not. Unless a market is a certain size compared to the costs > of book publication, the book is not worth publishing. Unless a > publisher is subsidized by a nonprofit, they simply cannot lose money > and still stay in business. The days of such publishers may be numbered. Those who refuse to publish, or publish with no intention of affording the authors of scholarly works with any type of royalty (Kegan Paul in one incident I know of) may find that publishing via the internet will become a viable alternative. I have favorite Science Fiction authors who have had a problem finding a publisher until lately. I was introduced to their work by a friend and now go to their website, pay either via Pay Pal or credit card, and download the books. I then put them on my computer, or my hand held (the Kindle may be one of my next purchases if they come out with a back-lit screen option for reading in the dim light of an airplane). Certainly nothing would stop me from doing the same and printing it off, or sections of it off if I wanted. The authors would then be assured of receiving at least something for their efforts. This assumes that the authors aren't doing their publish or perish thing for academia. For those who really want to put their information out to the public. > > Publishers do not generally publish a book and then find a market for > it. That is much too risky and expensive. They do considerable research > to find out how many members of a target market or markets there are, > where to locate them, and so on, before even beginning work on a book. Publishers are also sometimes surprised at their market since they never even thought to look outside a narrow academic field. The existence of Oxbow and David Brown provides information on that. I spoke to Ian Stevens today and he mentioned that they are going to be getting some sale books from Cambridge. He was also interested in what type of books I knew would be of interest to the several lists I'm on, from Cookery to leatherwork and beyond. Want to bet the Cambridge books will fit comfortably in someone's library that the original publisher never surveyed? > > Before offering a contract to the author, the publisher does more > research, extrapolates from the sales volume of their other books, and > so on. It has to look like the economics will work out from the very > beginning. Granted, some books are financial failures even given > extensive marketing research, but not doing the marketing research is > usually a recipe for a real disaster. And granted, there are some books > that do not have to be profitable because their publication is > subsidized by museums or other nonprofit organizations. And there are some books which are published with no intention of providing the author with any kind of remuneration. I call these the publish or perish where the author practically has to pay the publisher. Then again there are those that are published at a price that is simply beyond the means of any but a library audience. > > There are many books that would probably be valuable cultural > contributions that will never be published either because the market for > them is not large enough, or because their authors did not do enough > marketing research to convince the publisher of it. These can now be electronically published. The costs may be computer time, one copy of the book in a readily readable format such as Microsoft Reader. There are already several selling venues for such. The trick is going to be for the audience to find them. > > and a new generation is growing up that > > will never think to thank us for creating it. They will think that it's > > obvious that someone would be interested in the grave finds on > the Isle of > > Man, or the cut and construction of Spanish clothing in 1578. > > As I said, I really doubt the SCA is solely responsible or even mainly > responsible for supporting most scholarly books on the SCA period. I doubt that it is solely responsible, but the entire re-creation/recreation movement has made a market for books that would have had a far smaller market without 40+ years of SCA and other group influence. Wanda - book buyer, book gifter, book touter. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 23:27:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U3Ri09003200 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:27:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U3Rdin001998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:27:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U3RHrg038539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U3RGaW070945; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U3RDRr070914 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:27:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C8E38058 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:27:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <4817789F.7070806@netherton.net> In-Reply-To: <4817789F.7070806@netherton.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804292327.31565.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Medieval Clothing & Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 804691a3-8032-49ea-8e23-60ee31765308 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4817E72B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:27:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Tuesday 29 April 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > Just this minute I got my editor's copy of Medieval Clothing and Textiles > vol. 4, so for those of you who have been asking me, I can now verify it > exists and is making its way over the water. > > Of particular interest to costumers and re-enactors will be the articles on > an extant 14th-century embroidered linen cap (with construction and > embroidery diagrams); visual attributes of surviving archaeological > textiles (with photos); a reassessment of the Greenland multi-gored gown > (with diagrams); and Henry VIII's quilts. For the full contents, see: > > http://www.boydell.co.uk/43833662.HTM :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 29 23:53:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U3r9jI004277 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:53:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U3r3Pj027333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:53:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U3qff9039969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U3qdqH091815; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U3qaDm091776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3U3qZM2014718 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:35 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:54:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <200804292327.31565.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Medieval Clothing & Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53ff8ec8-09d2-4f18-ac49-2c9703e468fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4817ED1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:53:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Well, there went my vow of poverty for the month. Wanda > > On Tuesday 29 April 2008, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Just this minute I got my editor's copy of Medieval Clothing > and Textiles > > vol. 4, so for those of you who have been asking me, I can now verify it > > exists and is making its way over the water. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 00:09:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U497nx004907 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U48xEi022124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U48Ylj041000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U48XPl004327; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U48UGp004294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.11] (dial-209-148-101-11.sonic.net [209.148.101.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3U48QDA003511 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:08:27 -0700 Message-ID: <4817F0BE.3020503@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:08:30 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67676262-b03e-4308-8381-0ee93dbff6cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4817F0DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Wanda Pease wrote: >> And do you have the sales figures on (a) what "gangbusters" consists of >> in terms of both units sold and profits realized, and (b) how many of >> these copies were actually sold to SCA members? > > Do you? I know exactly how many copies of each book I've sold, and how much each has earned to the penny. I also know how much it cost to produce, exactly how many copies I printed, and exactly how fast they've sold. I've got a whole set of spreadsheets for each book, as well as summary spreadsheets comparing figures for the different books. I've also got a database program written on top of Microsoft Access specificially for my business needs, which contains different sections with names and addresses of different kinds of customers and potential, totaling many thousands. I've got paper files full of printed info of reviews, customer comments, all kinds of stuff. I also know which exactly retailers and wholesalers I'm selling to, which pay their bills regularly, etc. This is all information I absolutely have to keep track of to stay in business, and it is comparable to that of larger publishers I have worked for. Since this is my business competitive information, no one else knows it but my husband/business partner, and for the financial part, my accountant and the IRS. Many publishers don't reveal this kind of info outside their businesses. I can ask Ian Stevens when I see him tomorrow. Although I doubt > that he has such figures at his fingertips any more than I would be expected > to. I have them right here on the computer I am working at. That I get answers from various publishers who are pleased with their > SCA sales makes me think that we are not a contemptible source of revenue > for them. I did not say contemptible. I said that every book has multiple markets if the publisher can possibly find them, some considered primary and some secondary. The SCA is just one market, and it is not the usual primary market for academic books, which is university professors and students. > Considering the less than stellar costumes we have been treated to in > various theatrical attempts this year I'd say that Theater Costumers are > pretty much wasting their time buying these books on costuming. Not at all. Theaters have their own constraints and needs. They are not only by no means obligated to meet the "accuracy" standards some reenactors want to impose on them, usually they can't. I'm not responsible for the quality of the costumes theatrical and film costumers make, and I don't care what they do with the patterns in my books. If they want to take a bustle dress pattern and make it up in turquoise PVC with little electric lights all over it because that's the director's vision for a production of _Midsummer Night's Dream_, that's fine with me. The basic > thrust of all theatrical costume books I've seen and have seem to be far > more interested in creating the "look" than the accurate cut and > construction of clothing. You cannot generalize and say all books in a genre are the same. My books are my books, and other publishers' are theirs. I am not responsible for the contents of anyone else's books. Theatrical and film costumers often use SCA-sanctified sources like Janet Arnold too, you know. Some renditions are enough to gag a maggot - "The > Tudors" being the worst I've seen lately. The costume library of the > Shakespeare Festival in Ashland, Oregon (not a shabby small town effort) is > exactly that; a library meant for costumers, not researchers. They buy mine too. So? Of course not. They publish a great many journals for many societies to > include the Costume Society. Since I've been a member of the (British) Costume Society for decades and have also bought many of Maney's books, I know that. > Present PAID memberships in the SCA are 29,500. This does not count those > who play but do not pay. That's nice to know. Maybe I'll consider the SCA as a market some day. >> No, it is not. Unless a market is a certain size compared to the costs >> of book publication, the book is not worth publishing. Unless a >> publisher is subsidized by a nonprofit, they simply cannot lose money >> and still stay in business. > > The days of such publishers may be numbered. If you mean publishers who lose money, their days certainly are numbered--except, as I said, for subsidized publishers. There are nonprofits--the Sierra Club is one of many examples--who publish books primarily to promote their vision, though they don't mind making money too if they can. Some museum and corporate publications are also subsidized. Those who refuse to publish, > or publish with no intention of affording the authors of scholarly works > with any type of royalty (Kegan Paul in one incident I know of) may find > that publishing via the internet will become a viable alternative. I've worked in publishing for 24 years, know numerous publishers on and off publishing e-lists, and hear these issues debated every day. I used to edit academic and scientific papers for journals and authors, so am familiar with that world. Not to mention, my mother was a university professor, and my husband is a researcher in artificial intelligence. Academic papers have generally never paid much if anything, nor have scientific corporate R & D papers. The goal is to get the author's name (or often, multiple names on one paper), and/or the corporate or university name, and the cutting-edge research (especially in the sciences) out there. Yes, the Internet is a means of distributing many such papers. And scientific papers are frequently released by their authors to colleagues who need cutting-edge information, well before official publication. But also, the same papers are not infrequently published in an academic print journal, which has more prestige than the Internet. Prestige gets the author tenure, grant funding, and credits that help him or her move to the next job up the ladder at the same or another company--in other words, payment that does not come directly from the publication. It also helps the corporations and universities who employ the people who write the papers, government grants and other very desirable benefits. When I was working as an editor and writer for R & D labs, the researchers were under employer pressure to publish, just as universities are. However, an academic or scientific paper is a very specialized type of publication. Scholarly books are different, and textbooks can be very different indeed. Textbooks can make their authors and publishers a great deal of money. And some books are both scholarly books and advanced textbooks. The bottom line is that the more time and money go into publishing something, the more money has to come back to the author and publisher in some form or another. Outside the worlds of academia, R & D, and nonprofit corporations, that money generally has to come from purchasers of the publication. And the longer a publication is--for example a book as compared to a paper--the more money and time is invested in it and has to be recouped. I have > favorite Science Fiction authors who have had a problem finding a publisher > until lately. I was introduced to their work by a friend and now go to > their website, pay either via Pay Pal or credit card, and download the > books. I then put them on my computer, or my hand held (the Kindle may be > one of my next purchases if they come out with a back-lit screen option for > reading in the dim light of an airplane). Certainly nothing would stop me > from doing the same and printing it off, or sections of it off if I wanted. I hear this method debated _all the time_. Endlessly. Some publishers are for e-publishing, some against it. I'm against it myself. The reading technology is not "there" yet, and no really effective technical copyright protection has been developed yet. Well, it's being used for things like classified government info, but not in the commercial publishing world. And copyright protection is the basis of making money. When it's gone, so is the money, and if the money is not coming from somewhere else, the author, the publisher, etc. are sunk. Bear in mind that printing is not even remotely the only major cost of producing a book. There's (usually) years of time spent writing it, there's editing, there's indexing, there's (often) illustrations, there's book design, there's page layout, there's marketing, there's accounting, there's expensive computer equipment, there's overhead. Sometimes there is translation to or from a foreign language, and other costs. E-publishing is not going to give the world a future of almost-free books--not if authors, publishers, editors, book designers, etc. are going to continue to eat. > The authors would then be assured of receiving at least something for their > efforts. This assumes that the authors aren't doing their publish or perish > thing for academia. For those who really want to put their information out > to the public. Wanting to give information (or in the cases of many books, entertainment) to the public is by no means incompatible with making a profit. Profit is what enables authors, publishers, editors, indexers, book designers, translators, etc. to continue eating. It might be nice if everyone could afford to give away all their time and money in the world. The reality is that everyone--no matter how much they love their profession and no matter how good their work is--has to buy groceries. > Publishers are also sometimes surprised at their market since they never > even thought to look outside a narrow academic field. The existence of > Oxbow and David Brown provides information on that. I spoke to Ian Stevens > today and he mentioned that they are going to be getting some sale books > from Cambridge. He was also interested in what type of books I knew would > be of interest to the several lists I'm on, from Cookery to leatherwork and > beyond. Want to bet the Cambridge books will fit comfortably in someone's > library that the original publisher never surveyed? Actually, it seems clear that Ian Stevens _is_ surveying the market. Believe me, marketing departments generally speaking beat the bushes for absolutely any and every audience that will plausibly buy the book and which the publisher can afford to approach. There are numerous books on the process of marketing books, if you are interested. My one comment is that salespeople and marketing people of all types tend to be relentlessly upbeat. The "your book can be a national bestseller" pitch is too upbeat to be realistic in most cases. > > And there are some books which are published with no intention of providing > the author with any kind of remuneration. I am not really sure what you are talking about. Publishers are not generally out to cheat or deceive authors. On the other hand, authors often hire agents or contract lawyers to make sure they get as fair a deal as possible, and they always have the option of hiring at least a lawyer, if no agent will accept them. Professional author are often very savvy indeed, and I'd recommend that all beginners find a good contract lawyer to help them out. A few hours of contract lawyer time can really pay off. Then again > there are those that are published at a price that is simply beyond the > means of any but a library audience. Generally publishers price a book at more or less the lowest cover price they can, and still cover all their costs. The size of the book, the illustrations, and so on are very important cost considerations, as is the size of the audience. In other words, publishers can afford to price a Steven King mass-market paperback at $6.50, but they cannot afford to price a large, heavily illustrated scholarly book that way. Just because you cannot afford a book you want, does not mean the publisher is ripping anyone off. > > These can now be electronically published. The costs may be computer time, > one copy of the book in a readily readable format such as Microsoft Reader. > There are already several selling venues for such. The trick is going to be > for the audience to find them. The trick is going to be actually making any significant money from them. Although a number of publishing experiments have been made, most publishers can't figure out how to make money off e-books, other than as things like loss leaders to promote the books they are really making money from. For a large publisher, the cost of both experiments and failed books is borne by the successful books. The smaller the publisher, the more a book _has_ to make money. I certainly can't afford to experiment, and I would not touch e-book publishing with a ten-foot pole. > I doubt that it is solely responsible, but the entire > re-creation/recreation movement has made a market for books that would have > had a far smaller market without 40+ years of SCA and other group influence. Sure--I've sold to the reenactor market for 14 years now, among other markets. As I said, it's a good secondary market for my books and many others. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 00:16:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U4GrYg005383 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:16:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U4GgEQ026017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:16:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U4GPVS041459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U4GPbM009761; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3U4GLdj009625 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 65308 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2008 04:16:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5vxRLaIVM1nCypRlYK7_xeUwMjqB7KK2afz8h__t12_0RwCjpMoOkIhctApQk2Zy69Mg4FCBK0kroOR5Yw6AAwOBU0UYh9QpXcJn74TBQ.pCsktzYVoOkJQNyw-- Received: from [121.45.43.210] by web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:16:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43283.64795.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Medieval Clothing & Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8c321d5-47d5-40ed-8191-25540b28a406 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4817F2AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I completely second that!! I can't wait Anniecat> From: fathallas@collinscom.net> To: h-costume@indra.com> Date: Tu= e, 29 Apr 2008 14:20:24 -0700> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Vo= lume 4: linen> > > Has anyone heard anymore about the publication below? Su= ch as > publisher and a real date?> > Jenny Tiramani is currently preparing= Janet Arnold's book, Patterns > of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construc= tion of linen shirts, > smocks, neckwear, headwear & accessories for men an= d women > c.1540-1660 for publication in 2008.> > Thanks,> Beth Matney> > A= ll I know is that I really really really want this.......wish they'd> quit = foolin' around....> > Liadain> Who also wants to know> > > ________________= _______________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.ind= ra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby=96how do you know when you=92re ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=3D= 5797498&ocid=3DT067MSN40A0701A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 00:49:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U4n7QF007075 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:49:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U4n16I018465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U4morj043478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U4moHm032644; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/cqC1o/MK8hdT9/4E3XcoJKER/5XumKEo@mail1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U4mlL9032619 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1g.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.185]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m3U4mkPl022804 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:48:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 32470 invoked by uid 80); 30 Apr 2008 04:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:40:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/29/2008 9:09:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: You cannot generalize and say all books in a genre are the same. My books are my books, and other publishers' are theirs. I am not responsible for the contents of anyone else's books. But isn't that what you did when you said the following: In a message dated 4/27/2008 3:28:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: The Civil War reenactors are a very large group but with few exceptions, tend not to be very interested in books or research. They seem to regard it as somehow virtuous to be conspicuously disinterested in everything beyond their immediate and very narrow time frame and geographic area, thus tend to lack a sense of context. They are conformist in ideas, and rely heavily on the system of one group "authority" reading a book and giving them a set of approved ideas to worth with. All reenactment communities do this to some extent, but the CW reenactors are the most likely to come onto an e-group and say, "What is OK for me to wear? I want to 'fit in,'" rather than doing any research or original thinking themselves. They also seem to have less formal education than the other groups, judging by how they write, spell, etc. Granted, we're individual people, not books, but the same concept applies. ~Joseph **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 04:28:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U8SSa2014645 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:28:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U8SNBP016748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:28:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U8S52H057423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U8S3xB095389; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U8Rxmu095340 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.78556006; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:27:40 0100 Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id m3U8RZG08173.; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:27:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:27:35 +0100 Message-Id: <48183B7302000014000E907C@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:27:15 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes of the common man/woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a55ae681-59cc-4a14-846b-c9ab256e052d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48182DA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:28:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I know Jane Huggett slightly (our music group sometimes plays for the dance group her husband Robert runs) and I've heard her give a talk on 17th century costume. The "Green Valley" people are of course the ones who did the TV series "Tales from the Green Valley" which was much discussed on this list a couple of years ago. I'm going to a big reenactment event this weekend and will look out for the books on the traders' stalls. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 04:56:16 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U8uFo4018749 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:56:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U8u0on005581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U8ojZJ058938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U8oiY2011731; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U8oetW011683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.149] (dial-209-148-100-149.sonic.net [209.148.100.149]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3U8obFP006871 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:50:38 -0700 Message-ID: <481832E1.3040406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:50:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Publishing WAS How Many Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f71032c1-14ee-423e-916e-9ee16a2e4961 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48183420.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:56:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > And there are some books which are published with no intention of providing > the author with any kind of remuneration. I call these the publish or > perish where the author practically has to pay the publisher. Having spent 24 years working in professional publishing, as a full-time employee of book and magazine publishers, as a freelancer, as a journalist, and as a self-publisher, I will add that self-publishing is not an automatic, easy, or even feasible solution for everyone, and probably never will be. Even though it's been around forever (some websites will give you lists of famous self-published authors, including Walt Whitman, Virginia Woolf, and hosts of others). A book has to be researched (except for some kinds of fiction), written, edited, proofread, designed, often illustrated, and warehoused if a print book. Then there are essential services such as fulfillment (filling orders); bookkeeping, tax accounting, and other financial services; legal services; computer maintenance; and other support services. This is apart from expensive tasks that are only sometimes necessary, such as translation from foreign languages, or audio recording. Before you condemn book publishers as greedy profiteers for having the gall to take a cut of the profits from authors, and increase the price of books for the public, consider that publishers provide the author and the public with most of these services. Readers do not think of things like editing, proofreading, or design when these tasks are well done; but when they are badly done or not done at all, readers complain loudly. Having also written for other publishers, I will say that I often felt that I was not getting paid enough. And yes, publishers are shifting more of the burden of tasks like editing onto authors. Just the same, again, self-publishing is not an easy solution. It requires three things: The right author, the right book, and the right marketing climate. By the right author, I mean an author who has the time, expertise, and inclination to shoulder the burden of editing, proofreading, and ALL the other necessary tasks above in ADDITION to researching and writing the book. OR an author who has the money to pay freelancers to do all those tasks, and the knowledge and skill to choose, coordinate, and supervise those freelancers. Even if the author does them all personally and has the skill to do them all, they don't come free. Time is money, and all the months spent on those tasks if one person does them, are many months not being paid by another employer. The author can put in sweat equity in terms of labor now and wait to get paid till the book sells, and then only get paid gradually--IF the author has enough other income to live on while he/she does all those tasks. But fairly paid the author and/or the freelancers, must be, one way or another, for the book to be commercially viable. Furthermore, there are many people who strongly just want to write the book, and let a publisher take care of everything else. I am not one of them, but I constantly encounter them; and in fact, that seems to be the standpoint of the majority of writers. I had the advantage of 10 years of training and experience working for other publishers before I self-published my first book. Some other authors have professional training in publishing tasks other than writing, but most don't seem to. Then, it has to be the right book, from a marketing standpoint. You cannot just throw a book up onto the net, or onto some website like Amazon, and expect it to sell itself. Believe me, books do not sell themselves. And the more books that are published, the harder you have to work to let potential buyers know about yours. Marketing doesn't have to be gimmicky (though some marketers disagree with me on that); but you absolutely have to take action and tell potential buyers that the book exists, what it contains, and other essential facts. Many people spend a year or two full time marketing their self-published book after writing it. I do the bare minimum--press releases and review copies and mailings. Marketing still takes at least four months of my full-time work for every book, and a lot of work in increments after that. Marketing never stops--it has to continue for the lifetime of the book. Many self-published authors do a great deal more work than I do, especially in terms of personal appearances of one form or another--TV, radio, lectures, book signings, and even national tours--and every penny at their own expense. Getting back to what I said about the right kind of book--some self-published authors _have_ very successfully marketed "wrong" books; that is, books that are very hard for a self-publisher to market. I have always published the "right" kind of book; that is, the easiest kind for a self-publisher to market, because spending four months full time on marketing every book is as much as I can stand. _I'd_ rather be creating more books that doing things like radio shows, which I've always strenuously avoided. The "right," or rather the best, kind of book to self-publish is called a niche book. A niche book is one with an audience (or audiences) that can not only be easily identified, but easily reached, and which is also comparatively small. The problem with almost all fiction and nonfiction on almost all very popular subjects, is that such books might sell to almost anyone. And if they do sell to a large proportion of their markets they can make tons of money; but paradoxically, a huge potential market makes a book much harder and more expensive to sell. Such books are usually sold much more successfully by a large publisher, who can afford to do things like take out huge ads in every major newspaper and magazine in the US, and who has the clout to get the author onto major TV talk shows. If such books are self-published, they tend to quietly sink beneath the waves of the hundreds of other books competing for the same readers. As for the right marketing climate--the increase in the number of books published every year brought on by new computer technology, has made reviewers, wholesalers, and bookstores anxious to save themselves a lot of screening work by simply ignoring all self-published books, and in fact all micropress books, whether self-published or not. Precisely the same book issued by a major publisher has a far better chance of being reviewed in major mainstream publications, carried by chain bookstores, and generally has more credibility and gets more attention. In other words, the right marketing climate actually isn't there, and many authors want a larger publisher for that reason. Again, paradoxically, it is true that larger publishers CAN sell many more copies of a book and make the author much more money; the fact is they WILL put major marketing effort into only a small proportion of their books, and expect the income from those to help carry all the rest. I don't create the kind of books a larger publisher would put major marketing effort into; but the author of a potentially popular novel or nonfiction should give seeking a larger publisher very serious consideration. I have seen any number of new self-publishers say, "Oh goody, the net makes everything so easy, I can just write my book, put it up on Amazon, the public will automatically find it, and it will sell." No way. Self publishing is right for some authors, but it's a long, hard, risky, and expensive road. Major publishers are right for some authors, as I indicated above. Midsize publishers are right for many authors, too. But no matter how a book is published, it usually takes years of work either by one person or the combined time of multiple people, it usually takes a substantial financial investment, and it's usually a whole lot of hard work for someone to market. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 05:33:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3U9XqnX026579 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:33:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3U9XkNe022742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3U9XIn2062244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U9XGqP042430; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3U9XC99042383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3U9XCar027080 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:33:12 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:35:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <000201c8aa3e$d7c62340$970d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54991578-867f-4edf-b14f-af7cea7804f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48183CFA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:33:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Several people from here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific Northwest/Northwet of the United States) intend to go to its unveiling in Florence, Italy in September. The book has been long in the making. To the point where many of us have gotten tired of the wait and worried about the possible demise of both the editors and picked up the various small papers by Inter Library Loan. Even so, I have orders for one or more of my "friends" who are going to get me one too. ("Friends" because I'm so envious I can barely stand it but neither can my finances! Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:20 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen > > > > Has anyone heard anymore about the publication below? Such as > publisher and a real date? > > Jenny Tiramani is currently preparing Janet Arnold's book, Patterns > of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construction of linen shirts, > smocks, neckwear, headwear & accessories for men and women > c.1540-1660 for publication in 2008. > > Thanks, > Beth Matney > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 06:34:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UAY8xl002561 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:34:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UAXeDb002274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:33:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UAXFle066171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UAXFZ2089671; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3UAXBst089566 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 98127 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2008 10:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.242.210.171 with plain) by smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2008 10:33:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0VwS.8wVM1lEm5jdLQW8pJQNiejlC7KJHRwhKeMgc63kaNTAPIOE3e9CdcomWgaz_A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48184AC9.2000503@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:32:41 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <6930951.620371209355404377.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> In-Reply-To: <6930951.620371209355404377.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b074cf5-a18d-4372-aded-6271ffc5079b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48184B04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:33:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ailith wrote: > snip > > >> The version of the FAQ currently on sca.org says that they have about 29,500 >> paid members, but that's still small by publishing standards. >> > > You do not have to be a paid member to participate, however, you must be a paid member if you fight or if you're an officer. > > Figures vary as to how many people really play in the SCA, but I've heard as many as 3 to 4 times the number of paid members. The actual number of participants could be as high as 118,000. This, I think, is high. Since the non-member surcharge at events has been in effect, the ratio in my area seems much closer to approximately one non-member for every paid member. I think something in the range of 60,000 members is reasonable and might even be a bit high. In standard book publishing circles, this is a small audience. However, in academic book publishing circles, where many works struggle to sell 500 copies, it's considered a decent-sized audience. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 08:26:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UCQIon016423 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:26:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UCQBjI020008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:26:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UCPRHk073614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:25:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UCPNil078419; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UCPKaV078319 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.110]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080430122515.PUCJ6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:25:15 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.110]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080430122514.DESR12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:25:14 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:22:44 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080430122514.DESR12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bf934df-0eb3-4b8a-bdb8-80cef3013225 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48186563.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:26:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thank you Suzi, From Jenny Tiramani's web page, it looked like she had finished and it was in the hands of a publisher somewhere.. and I, too, was drooling. Beth >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:33:27 +0100 >From: Suzi Clarke > >At 22:20 29/04/2008, you wrote: > > >Has anyone heard anymore about the publication below? Such as > >publisher and a real date? > > > >Jenny Tiramani is currently preparing Janet Arnold's book, Patterns > >of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construction of linen shirts, > >smocks, neckwear, headwear & accessories for men and women > >c.1540-1660 for publication in 2008. > >That's Santina Levey and Jenny Tiramani. The last time I spoke to >them, they were expecting to be publishing early this year, but both >have their own work, and I know Tina was ill for a while. They >published Janet's notes on the Effigy Corset, plus her patterns, in >"Costume", the journal of the Costume Society, in 2007. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 08:27:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UCRnDO016483 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UCRdqh031647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UCRQdI073807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UCRQql080031; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UCROKA079932 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so446648wah.3 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.18 with SMTP id l18mr578554wak.177.1209558438754; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.4 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:18 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b8bf395-b5ec-4466-9bf4-05fd39ff9b1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 481865BB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, now wouldn't it?? :) Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow.... :) Thanks for posting the simplicity link! Sharon/Meli Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 08:34:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UCYvJ0016735 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:34:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UCYquL024860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UCYdRc074345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UCYc9B085896; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UCYZmo085780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:1216 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JrBW1-00061w-S2 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:34:30 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080430133224.0384d010@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:34:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20080430122514.DESR12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@em achine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20080430122514.DESR12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aac8a2b5-f83b-4c95-a993-92f20d62cef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818676C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 13:22 30/04/2008, you wrote: >Thank you Suzi, > > From Jenny Tiramani's web page, it looked like she had finished and >it was in the hands of a publisher somewhere.. and I, too, was drooling. It will be with Maney's, the publishers of Janet's other books, but they haven't sent out any publicity about it. Their last big one was "Dress at the Court of Henry Vlll" (title?) and the flyers for that went out about 3 months in advance. Suzi > > >Has anyone heard anymore about the publication below? Such as > > >publisher and a real date? > > > > > >Jenny Tiramani is currently preparing Janet Arnold's book, Patterns > > >of Fashion Volume 4 ; The cut and construction of linen shirts, > > >smocks, neckwear, headwear & accessories for men and women > > >c.1540-1660 for publication in 2008. > > > >That's Santina Levey and Jenny Tiramani. The last time I spoke to > >them, they were expecting to be publishing early this year, but both > >have their own work, and I know Tina was ill for a while. They > >published Janet's notes on the Effigy Corset, plus her patterns, in > >"Costume", the journal of the Costume Society, in 2007. > > > >Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 09:05:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UD5TYF017885 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UD5J57009718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UD52qu076950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UD50iN013409; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3UD4vXh013268 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 37121 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2008 13:04:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0SXQWiYVM1lAC_sOG1EJ.3L8Xu2gSPSHf.TiMFPn_FGCu8jWRCxCU42bMRT0hS80XgfzUkfMHgOoNQ8J0tV.LMndmJIgtPJZR7XbGSnuJVs0_iteU3oM3luEAg-- Received: from [121.45.43.210] by web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:04:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <798822.37057.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Medieval Clothing & Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 596d0d4e-42ff-40cb-ae5a-0388d6f01c1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48186E8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Medieval Clothing & Textiles Amazon typically mines the Boydell site and picks up new entries, but there may be a lag of a few days. Not sure about this one, though, because of the huge discount involved. --Robin<<<<< Thanks Robin. I hope they do because it would be a fair bit cheaper for me to buy from Amazon.com. Boydell won't allow me (Australian) to purchase via the US, so I would be forced to pay 68 British pounds/$143 Aussie dollars ($37.75 of that is what they would charge me for shipping), instead of the $106 US dollars/$113 Aussie dollars (including $12 shipping) it would cost me via Amazon. So, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed on that one. :-) Bella Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 10:12:04 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UEC3pf019897 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:12:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UEBrTN021291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:11:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UD5OLZ076982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UD5OFV013780; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp6.america.net (qsmtp6.america.net [69.60.160.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UD5Kgu013732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200804301305.m3UD5Kgu013732@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp6.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JrBzr-0001Qi-Uz for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:20 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:05:11 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: References: <000201c8aa3e$d7c62340$970d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba17fdf1-58cc-4447-ae42-3148b588e2f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48187E2A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:11:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 05:35 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: >Several people from here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific >Northwest/Northwet of the United States) Northwet? Is that a reference to Washington and Oregon? Please say you did this on purpose? LOL Genie Who lived in Washington for three years and loved it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 10:22:52 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UEMqSM020232 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:22:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UEMkZS028181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UELvZF083990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UELsHP002579; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:21:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3UELqaQ002458 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEBTACHACSLEES for (sender ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:20:55 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssirl648yTc7MPTOpbYhHYz4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NH2JCN27; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:20:26 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:17:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20080430.071916.3104.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-12,14-15,17-31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 9:4:1136671876 X-MAIL-INFO: 13e990e59020e40020e459c0e459388034d9a1b0b90dd94414a9b9a544b184bd4410cdd5e999e964a05991e4e9c0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1bb08f9-d97a-4aae-a400-06ae0e6fd99e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 481880B6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:22:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:05:11 -0500 Genie Barrett writes: > At 05:35 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > >Several people from here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom including the > Pacific > >Northwest/Northwet of the United States) > > > Northwet? Is that a reference to Washington and Oregon? Please say > you did this on purpose? Hi Genie. She did it on purpose, and yes, that's exactly what she meant. :-) In An Tir, we have a heraldic blazon for it: "An Tir sky proper," meaning gray and more than likely something wet is falling from it. ;) Arlys > LOL > > Genie > Who lived in Washington for three years and loved it! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 11:29:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UFTTKM022335 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:29:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UFTNGL032044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UFSwT3090625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UFStS5073348; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp7.america.net (qsmtp7.america.net [69.60.160.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UFSqvB073276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200804301528.m3UFSqvB073276@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.228] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp7.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JrEEh-0005QM-OP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:28:47 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:28:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <20080430.071916.3104.0.Cley@juno.com> References: <20080430.071916.3104.0.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8ed6459-2791-4865-b790-4eaed9eb8f5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48189053.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:29:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 09:17 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: >Hi Genie. She did it on purpose, and yes, that's exactly what she meant. >:-) > >In An Tir, we have a heraldic blazon for it: "An Tir sky proper," meaning >gray and more than likely something wet is falling from it. ;) I love it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 11:49:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UFneY3022926 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:49:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UFnYMd012219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UFnGH1092602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UFnF0v096084; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UFnCX2095916 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:50:49 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0314A545@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <200804301528.m3UFSqvB073276@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh Thread-Index: Aciq1zjMgxBzl7SmTKuZUC9D20bZigAArmqA References: <20080430.071916.3104.0.Cley@juno.com> <200804301528.m3UFSqvB073276@net.indra.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2008 15:50:49.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[F654B1F0:01C8AAD9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2eeafc4-b5a2-4273-bd81-84fb7457db40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818950F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Me, too!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Genie Barrett Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:29 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh At 09:17 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: >Hi Genie. She did it on purpose, and yes, that's exactly what she meant. >:-) > >In An Tir, we have a heraldic blazon for it: "An Tir sky proper," meaning >gray and more than likely something wet is falling from it. ;) I love it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 12:17:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UGHsZ8023839 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:17:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UGHfZf015069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:17:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UGHNNp095518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UGHMUD029583; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UGHKYg029539 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i50so317860rne.11 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.158.1 with SMTP id g1mr954601wae.111.1209572239418; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.10 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:17:19 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32b2ec61-5b9e-481c-bee7-152ec952df75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 48189BA5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Vicky Simpson asked if they have the correct period look. It's really hard to say, Vicky, when you're looking at a tiny picture on a computer screen. However, the waist seam on the day dress is lower than the natural waist and I made a mental note to check position on all the other seams too. I haven't seen any photographs of Victorian/Civil Way era dresses with a waist lower than a natural waist, although earlier in the period the waist was shorter. I say all that, but I don't believe that I'm the be-all to end-all in the research world. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more information. LynnD On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Sharon Henderson < henderson.sharon@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and > trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, > now wouldn't it?? :) > > Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow.... :) > > Thanks for posting the simplicity link! > > Sharon/Meli > Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag > :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 12:36:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UGaovn024441 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:36:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UGai4f008409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UGa3Sl097390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UGa1Mk050843; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UGZwht050689 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AA012ADC0 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:35:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4818ADF1.5040300@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:35:45 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c100b22e-ac3a-4a75-b09c-425244362d63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4818A01C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:36:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity patterns, if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To me it looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 12:56:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UGugSD024946 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UGuaeK004154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UGuGbb099247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:56:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UGuF5l072857; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UGuCQ4072676 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah.krans@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080430165602.ZLVN2641.mta31.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [24.179.158.209]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080430165602.DLEY4495.aarprv04.charter.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: From: Sarah Krans To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4818ADF1.5040300@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:56:41 -0500 References: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> <4818ADF1.5040300@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1afde40-cc80-4454-8a9b-588bdcaff7be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818A4C4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Kay Gagney actually has an online store front. I have personally seen her work at it is rather good - and based on originals. She does custom work as well as ready-to-wear. Her website is: www.originals-by-kay.com Sarah On Apr 30, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil > War" > era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to > give a more specific year? > > I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity > patterns, > if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. > > Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To > me it > looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 13:02:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UH28IJ025107 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:02:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UH22l3008037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:02:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UH1grc099744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UH1gHi078736; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blu139-omc3-s12.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s12.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UH1cbC078569 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BLU136-W7 ([65.55.162.188]) by blu139-omc3-s12.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:01:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.170.156.110] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:01:33 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2008 17:01:33.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7AF57F0:01C8AAE3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae75da50-be6d-4aac-bd62-aa36c08d0729 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818A60A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:02:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I took a look at that one last night. It's kind of like a vaguely basque-bodiced wrapper type thing. Not saying that they DIDN'T have something like that back in the day, but I've never seen anything like it. Granted, I'm no expert either, but in probably 300+ original garments I've examined, I've never seen all those elements put together in one garment. It's more of an amalgam, IMO. YMMV, of course. LuAnn > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:17:19 -0700 > From: lynndownward@gmail.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns > > Vicky Simpson asked if they have the correct period look. It's really hard > to say, Vicky, when you're looking at a tiny picture on a computer screen. > However, the waist seam on the day dress is lower than the natural waist and > I made a mental note to check position on all the other seams too. I haven't > seen any photographs of Victorian/Civil Way era dresses with a waist lower > than a natural waist, although earlier in the period the waist was shorter. > > I say all that, but I don't believe that I'm the be-all to end-all in the > research world. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more information. > > LynnD > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Sharon Henderson < > henderson.sharon@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and > > trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, > > now wouldn't it?? :) > > > > Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow.... :) > > > > Thanks for posting the simplicity link! > > > > Sharon/Meli > > Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag > > :) > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 13:24:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UHOLIu025827 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:24:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UHOFwx003536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UHNiXt001801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHNhgT002549; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHNeni002492 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 88F944C431 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:20:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 0CA814C2D3 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:20:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE2624007C for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:39 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Thread-Index: Aciq3a5cH7VVyGGsTlmUOS2QV4QRRAABPGLQ References: <8296995c0804300917g28ce9f28q27e4538949d9943@mail.gmail.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cae1c74e-41e9-43fe-9220-de7381af4a97 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4818AB3F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:24:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Lynn: I thought the waist position on the pattern illustrated by the yellow ballgown was odd, too. But I would check photographs and fashion plates of the era both. I couldn't say either way, since the Civil War isn't my era of expertise. I would trust photographic evidence more than fashion plates. Few women could look as good in the fashions as shown in the fashion plates. See photographs of Mary Todd Lincoln during her years as First Lady as an example and also Queen Victoria before Prince Albert's death Older women would cling to the styles of their youth or adapt newer styles to what was comfortable for them. A waistline set at least lower in front would appear more slimming to all figure types and the smaller the waist, the more attractive the figure, even today. In my very limited knowledge the round waist, often with sash, seems to have been more prevalent in the late 1820's to mid 1830's than the early-mid 1860's. Even for women who could afford the latest styles as shown in Godey's Ladies Magazine could be not as up-to-date as their European counterparts as Godey's and other American publications published plates of the latest fashions months or as much as a year later than European magazines because of the perceived view of American women as being more conservative, or less concerned with changes in fashion. A "good" American or English woman was not supposed to be as fascinated with fashion as their more frivolous European(read French)counterpart. And in reality, the average Frenchwoman considered nouveau riche English and Americans far more concerned with Dame Fashion than she was. Bottom line was that few women could actually afford couture from the top designers in France, probably even less than today. After 1860, however, the waistline was preparing to drop into the eventual princess-cut of the 1870's. Cutting waistlines lower in front than back, apron-like overskirts and drapes, and tabbed extensions below the fitted and/or belted waistline were more common as the crinolined skirt started to change from the all-around bell shape to more fullness in back after 1860. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:17 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Vicky Simpson asked if they have the correct period look. It's really hard to say, Vicky, when you're looking at a tiny picture on a computer screen. However, the waist seam on the day dress is lower than the natural waist and I made a mental note to check position on all the other seams too. I haven't seen any photographs of Victorian/Civil Way era dresses with a waist lower than a natural waist, although earlier in the period the waist was shorter. I say all that, but I don't believe that I'm the be-all to end-all in the research world. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more information. LynnD On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Sharon Henderson < henderson.sharon@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh yummy... 2887 done in grey silk taffeta with gold silk cuffs and > trims would be scrumptious for a Confederate cavalry officer's lady, > now wouldn't it?? :) > > Yes, I'll be shopping come sale time tomorrow.... :) > > Thanks for posting the simplicity link! > > Sharon/Meli > Virginia girl by inclination and carpetbag > :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 13:26:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UHQiOf025907 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UHQW7L018634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UHQAlU002025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHQ9bx005194; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from app02.sm.onr.chicago.hostway (fw.mfg.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHQ6aF005133 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app02.sm.onr.chicago.hostway (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F33BC40FF for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:26:06 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AtMail PHP 5.2 Message-ID: <18693.1209576366@genteelarts.com> To: Historical Costume X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:26:06 -0500 From: cschmitt@genteelarts.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eedae600-630b-43e8-9953-de82438b3412 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4818ABC8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Wed 08/04/30 13:35 , Dawn dawn@reddawn.net sent: > Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? A post on another list indicated the patterns by Kay Gnagey are taken from drafts in "Der Bazar". > I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity patterns, if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. Why not contact the designers and ask? Martha McCain is a member of this list. A summary of some of her research for her men's patterns, including photos of the original garments, is posted on Simplicity's web site. I've found her designs to be very accurate for the Civil War era. It's unfortunate Simplicity did not use her excellent instructions. Simplicity should be able to provide contact information for the other designer(s). > Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To me it looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. The new men's pattern by "Buckaroo Bobbins" seems to be rather "generic" - combining details from several decades to create an "impression". Looking at the information on the web site, I can see significant differences between it and the earlier patterns by Martha McCain, which are very accurate for the era. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 13:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UHcZpO026389 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UHcRif019483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UHWwkL002626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHWvEB012090; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHWsqK012019 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7872C2E8356 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:30:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 086022E8142 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:30:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0291A180084 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:32:37 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18693.1209576366@genteelarts.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns Thread-Index: Aciq50x//rdqp8UwQBGBeUMGE6TXWAAADwBg References: <18693.1209576366@genteelarts.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 039d73ad-cf44-4bc1-aa63-6fc792f147eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818AE93.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks for the link to Kay's site!! Yum Yum! See this link on Kay's site: http://www.originals-by-kay.com/custom%20work%20studio/galleryballg.htm It may be the dress shown on the front of the Simplicity yellow ball gown, I bet. I have Frances Grimble's "Reconstruction Era Fashions" that shows bodices and skirts from Harper's Bazaar patterns much like this gown. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of cschmitt@genteelarts.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns On Wed 08/04/30 13:35 , Dawn dawn@reddawn.net sent: > Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? A post on another list indicated the patterns by Kay Gnagey are taken from drafts in "Der Bazar". > I'm also interested in dating the previous sets of Simplicity patterns, if there's someone who can provide better knowledge of the period. Why not contact the designers and ask? Martha McCain is a member of this list. A summary of some of her research for her men's patterns, including photos of the original garments, is posted on Simplicity's web site. I've found her designs to be very accurate for the Civil War era. It's unfortunate Simplicity did not use her excellent instructions. Simplicity should be able to provide contact information for the other designer(s). > Someone said the men's pattern looked 1880's. How can you tell? To me it looks a lot like the previous set of men's "civil war" patterns. The new men's pattern by "Buckaroo Bobbins" seems to be rather "generic" - combining details from several decades to create an "impression". Looking at the information on the web site, I can see significant differences between it and the earlier patterns by Martha McCain, which are very accurate for the era. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 13:40:54 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UHesbm026462 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:40:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UHemw7020821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:40:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UHeXfR003272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHeV8Z020092; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3UHeQXJ019903 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52428 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2008 17:40:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uDzdGZoVM1mlt8szIOe8EiyOkPr2Vvi9UvKnr.KiCH7_fY82Xe8JoLUtw9aAv0.XwGyZ68CgXOv01gLwwE1o3no.0DCuAZgTyxZU6w087TnQkkwshbs4C57uej8- Received: from [64.148.44.107] by web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:40:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00a701c8a5fe$1aaa6530$62a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <167432.51578.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60122761-3e5d-40be-910b-69424c882869 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818AF20.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Blueprints--check with a local construction company or two; there ought to be somewhere that has a very large platen glass, and the construction industry will likely use it. Most blueprints are individually fed through a roller system; not suitable for a bound book, or any antique paper. Ann in CT --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Land of Oz wrote: > Penny wrote: "These are the only original prints. They > only see the light > of day, when I show them to my college students. One day I > will find a > scanner with a large enough bed to scan them." > > > You should check with the media department of the college. > They might have a > portable scanner that can scan your large items in parts, > then reassemble > them in a digital file. > > Denise ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 13:45:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UHjnEI026608 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:45:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UHjghH020188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:45:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UHjHOY003745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHjHu9024975; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UHjCoV024784 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDA6B5CEE for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:45:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4818BE2B.8080405@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:44:59 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <18693.1209576366@genteelarts.com> In-Reply-To: <18693.1209576366@genteelarts.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 203fe4d1-bfae-4d8a-9b5f-ba8bab99907a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4818B046.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:45:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO cschmitt@genteelarts.com wrote: > A post on another list indicated the patterns by Kay Gnagey are taken from drafts in "Der Bazar". > I'm sorry, I have no idea what that is. Is it a magazine? A pattern book? Where would I find a copy? > Why not contact the designers and ask? Martha McCain is a member of this list. I have, and sadly received no response. > A summary of some of her research for her men's > patterns, including photos of the original garments, is posted on Simplicity's web site. > Unfortunately, there are no dates given for the women's wear, which is the majority of the collection, and what I'd be wearing if I made any of these dresses. > The new men's pattern by "Buckaroo Bobbins" seems to be rather "generic" - combining details from several decades to create > an "impression". Looking at the information on the web site, I can see significant differences between it and the earlier patterns Thanks Carolann. To my untrained eye they all look pretty much the same. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:02:14 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UI2EXr027140 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:02:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UI280M011068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:02:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UI1i19005517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:01:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UI1h98042972; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UI1dt7042907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.78] (dial-209-148-99-78.sonic.net [209.148.99.78] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3UI1aIO031974 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4818B404.2090400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <6930951.620371209355404377.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> <48184AC9.2000503@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <48184AC9.2000503@rogers.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You Own X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 017b6efd-5a22-47c6-b470-9ba3ca07251d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4818B421.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO 60,000 is a reasonable audience for some books, especially if there are also other markets. However, for many academic books, libraries are a very large and important market, sometimes the main market. Libraries are overall more likely customers than consumers, for some books. I should add, for anyone who thinks that if they just put out an e-book on the net and the world will beat a path to their door, that only about 15% of book sales are currently made on the Internet. You have to sell books in the marketing climate of right now, not in one that may, or may not, exist in some years. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > This, I think, is high. Since the non-member surcharge at events has > been in effect, the ratio in my area seems much closer to approximately > one non-member for every paid member. I think something in the range of > 60,000 members is reasonable and might even be a bit high. > > In standard book publishing circles, this is a small audience. However, > in academic book publishing circles, where many works struggle to sell > 500 copies, it's considered a decent-sized audience. > > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:16:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIGNXh027589 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:16:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UIGAXI019885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UIF2mD006788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIF14s056783; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIEwqI056622 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaisondeHadley@aol.com) Received: from MaisondeHadley@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d30.2ccef655 (29673) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MaisondeHadley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:14:36 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 912ddfe8-64f0-4432-9b0a-2445d7f0f051 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4818B76A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:16:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:36:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Can anyone give me a date for these new patterns other than "Civil War" era? Has anyone tracked down the fashion plates that inspired these to give a more specific year? To add to what Carolann said about postings on another list, the yellow dress supposidly came from a pattern in der Bazaar. The green dress in #2887 is also an original pattern, but date and publication remaining anonymous. In terms of accuracy, I'd be extremely hesitant to use #2887 for a Civil War dress, even when made out of the proper fabric. I've personally seen these princess line dresses in a few CDVs here and there, but I can't say that I've ever seen an original. I know the pattern Heidi Marsh used for her "polonaise traveling dress" came out of Peterson's, 1861, but there again, I've never seen an original. It really is lovely, but I think it would be better suited, altered to a slim coat sleeve, for post-Civil War applications, or as a nice wrapper. ~Joseph **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:23:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UINws4027841 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:23:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UINr9I016343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:23:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UINNkm007510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UINNL2065442; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from captain.concentric.com (captain.concentric.com [207.155.252.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UINJJV065358 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by captain.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 08C1A78A; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.195) with Concentric Web Mail; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20080430182318.08C1A78A@captain.concentric.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan frog closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa3cd95c-738f-4362-a422-4483c1894b15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4818B939.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I made a coat dress/Spanish Surcoat which has frogs up the whole front opening. I'm trying to get documentation on the use of frogs in Elizabethan England. There are a couple of pictures in Janet Arnold. Does anyone have some links to either portraits or other primary type docs showing use of frogs and/or how the specific ones shown were tied? I'm using some very clever doo dads carried by FolkWear for tying these frogs. Much easier than just on a macrame board. I can't find period pictures of exactly what I'm doing, but will settle for close . Thanks Julie in Ramona (San Diego) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:24:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIOHWI027853 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:24:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UIOACC017343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UINqEQ007573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UINqWI066056; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UINlfD065935 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080430182346.PRVW7364.fep53.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:46 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.230]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080430182346.BJCT5989.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8aaef$53c145a0$e6e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.230] at Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:45 +0200 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b206a41d-31ed-4383-9b6d-961850b0f2d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818B94A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:24:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have a question. Its about the cut of a banyan. I dreamed about this for manny years, finally i have the oportunity to make it, because there is an event in september where i can use it at breakfast. I want to make my banyan in an oldfashioned 18th century cut, with t-shape and doubble breasted oriental closure at the neck. Today i drafted the doubble breast part, because i want to embellish it with 3 rows of silver bobbin lace and 2 rows in between the lace with an embroidered rose wreath. Now my question, would 49 cm be two much width of the doubble breast at the fot hem? The banyan is going to be made of shot silk taffeta, purple/green as a main collour, but the doubble breasted front is going to be a green shot taffeta, turquise blue/yellow like the cuffs and collar. The banyan is very simple in cut, only i am not sure if 49 cm of overlapping in the foot hem would be two much. Thanks for any inputs Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:34:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIYgob028196 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:34:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UIYbLk006339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UIXnmt008863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIXlTa076735; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIXi2j076583 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.140]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080430183338.GAST22416.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:33:38 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.140]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080430183337.HJXA5310.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:33:37 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:32:13 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080430183337.HJXA5310.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] How Many Costume Books/Magazines/Photos Do You X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ef268f0-c3ed-44b8-aa56-454e61bc6a3a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818BBBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:34:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Tabloid sized (13 by 19 inches) flatbed scanners are available and some photo or print shops have them (even here in Arkansas). These are capable of quite high resolutions.. but most work is still done at 300dpi (or less), due to large file sizes. Images larger than that are usually photographed with various setups. Blueprints (in the old days) were done with a diazo (ammonia) process. Most are now directly printed from computer originals, either 11 by 17 or using large format inkjet printers (usually 36 or 48 inches wide). Beth Matney >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:40:20 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ann Catelli > >Blueprints--check with a local construction company or two; there >ought to be somewhere that has a very large platen glass, and the >construction industry will likely use it. >Most blueprints are individually fed through a roller system; not >suitable for a bound book, or any antique paper. > >Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:38:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIcciK028351 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:38:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UIcWrQ025703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:38:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UIc5Dg009195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIc4es081180; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIc1X9081050 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.140]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080430183755.WZAI6512.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:37:55 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.140]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20080430183754.MSRJ12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:37:54 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:36:26 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080430183754.MSRJ12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fde6b57-7d23-4289-baa4-ffbc10b14285 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4818BCA8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:38:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I just got this note in: >The publisher is Macmillan and the publication date is >7th November 2008. I think it will be on Amazon for >pre-orders soon, > >Regards, >Jenny Tiramani Beth At 12:23 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:35:30 -0700 >From: "Wanda Pease" > >Several people from here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific >Northwest/Northwet of the United States) intend to go to its unveiling in >Florence, Italy in September. The book has been long in the making. To the >point where many of us have gotten tired of the wait and worried about the >possible demise of both the editors and picked up the various small papers >by Inter Library Loan. Even so, I have orders for one or more of my >"friends" who are going to get me one too. ("Friends" because I'm so >envious I can barely stand it but neither can my finances! > >Wanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:44:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIigQj028537 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UIiZrY008290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UIi1r9009717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIhwvf087586; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIhrQX087407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 79-74-99-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([79.74.99.56]:2539 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JrHHQ-0007Mo-2H for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:43:48 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080430194106.010f12d0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:43:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000801c8aaef$53c145a0$e6e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c8aaef$53c145a0$e6e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1865299-e127-4153-83d4-b7c230b67886 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4818BE13.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:23 30/04/2008, you wrote: >I have a question. Its about the cut of a banyan. >I dreamed about this for manny years, finally i have the oportunity >to make it, because there is an event in september where i can use >it at breakfast. >I want to make my banyan in an oldfashioned 18th century cut, with >t-shape and doubble breasted oriental closure at the neck. >Today i drafted the doubble breast part, because i want to embellish >it with 3 rows of silver bobbin lace and 2 rows in between the lace >with an embroidered rose wreath. >Now my question, would 49 cm be two much width of the doubble breast >at the fot hem? >The banyan is going to be made of shot silk taffeta, purple/green as >a main collour, but the doubble breasted front is going to be a >green shot taffeta, turquise blue/yellow like the cuffs and collar. >The banyan is very simple in cut, only i am not sure if 49 cm of >overlapping in the foot hem would be two much. >Thanks for any inputs I think 49cm. is far too much. Measure between armpits, and you will find a better guide. About 30cm. seems a better overlap. Look here for lots of other information and pictures. http://tinyurl.com/6gt3k6 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:54:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIsdpR028961 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:54:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UIsYfG004756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UIrP59010749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIrP7l097537; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UIrLcq097462 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:53:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A04664C486 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 397604C485 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62ED240090 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:53:20 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080430183754.MSRJ12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen Thread-Index: Aciq8VfB4flbapvVRc2dQzPxWAXLxgAAfEmw References: <20080430183754.MSRJ12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cd8e142-fcbf-4c8b-ae62-db887927ed33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4818C06A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:54:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh, thanks so much. I will probably pre-order it as soon as I see it on Amazon Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen I just got this note in: >The publisher is Macmillan and the publication date is >7th November 2008. I think it will be on Amazon for >pre-orders soon, > >Regards, >Jenny Tiramani Beth At 12:23 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:35:30 -0700 >From: "Wanda Pease" > >Several people from here in AnTir (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific >Northwest/Northwet of the United States) intend to go to its unveiling in >Florence, Italy in September. The book has been long in the making. To the >point where many of us have gotten tired of the wait and worried about the >possible demise of both the editors and picked up the various small papers >by Inter Library Loan. Even so, I have orders for one or more of my >"friends" who are going to get me one too. ("Friends" because I'm so >envious I can barely stand it but neither can my finances! > >Wanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 14:55:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UIttSR029015 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:55:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UItoCV022286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:55:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UItHBH010931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UItGAJ099563; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from app03.sm.onr.chicago.hostway (fw.mfg.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UItDeT099496 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app03.sm.onr.chicago.hostway (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188FF73C101 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AtMail PHP 5.2 Message-ID: <19385.1209581713@genteelarts.com> To: Historical Costume X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:13 -0500 From: cschmitt@genteelarts.com X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity new Civil War patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 099e25eb-961d-4414-8e09-ddd0c2577def X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818C0B6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:55:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Wed 08/04/30 14:44 , Dawn dawn@reddawn.net sent: > I'm sorry, I have no idea what that is. Is it a magazine? A pattern > book? Where would I find a copy? "Der Bazar" was a German fashion magazine. The only copies I know of are in the New York Public Library or in private collections. Individual fashion plates appear in other secondary sources. > Unfortunately, there are no dates given for the women's wear, which is > the majority of the collection, and what I'd be wearing if I made any of > these dresses. Feel free to contact me off-list and I'll be happy to share my thoughts on dates. \ > Thanks Carolann. To my untrained eye they all look pretty much the same. The differences in men's clothing are more subtle than women's, but they're there. Same offer if you'd like to discuss men's clothing. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 15:06:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UJ6Lbk029518 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:06:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UJ6FAw011212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UJ5oEP011954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJ5oMU010368; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3UJ5kjI010197 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 24157 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2008 19:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:05:39 -0600 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:05:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c8aafd$9048ff50$b70d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <20080430183754.MSRJ12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aciq8WNOHgak62JFRKG6i7vgl6Rd5AADBCgg Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 852cd0e5-74cd-41e6-8ad7-9b123fe03e2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818C327.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Liadain Anticipatin' THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:36 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen I just got this note in: >The publisher is Macmillan and the publication date is >7th November 2008. I think it will be on Amazon for >pre-orders soon, > >Regards, >Jenny Tiramani Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 15:28:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UJSATm030513 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:28:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UJS5On002236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:28:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UJRioW014041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJRhrp032083; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from seer.dracolore.com (adsl-76-220-87-86.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net [76.220.87.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m3UJRdBX032023 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cilean@DracoLore.Com) Received: from seam ([76.220.87.86]) by seer.dracolore.com with hMailServer ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:27:37 -0700 From: "Monie" To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:26:37 -0700 Message-ID: <011101c8aaf8$1deb2460$4301a8c0@seam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aciq5xeXHYWbWq/oRl+u2HIeMnLd8wAEDpdQ In-Reply-To: X-hMailServer-Spam: YES X-hMailServer-Reason: Rejected by ORDB (76.220.87.86) X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, Italy, November 2008 Anyone Going? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7429e133-6bde-44aa-beaa-07ed620cb0ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4818C845.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I would give my eyeteeth to get there, but if not I want to give people some money in case the book is shown and they are allowed to purchase it. Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 15:38:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UJcvad030894 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:38:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UJcqhm014969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:38:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UJcZq3015310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJcY1q043379; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJcUJe043292 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080430193828.PPZZ23927.fep52.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:28 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.230]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.01 201-2196-126-102-20080315) with ESMTP id <20080430193828.EUNN6737.fep41.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c8aaf9$c3be0cd0$e6e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8aaef$53c145a0$e6e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> <7.0.1.0.2.20080430194106.010f12d0@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.230] at Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:28 +0200 X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9820e2a-3c72-473e-bafc-b539b9594a2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4818CACC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi Suzi, Thanks for your input! I know its a lot, but its because i have it about 30 at the neck, but i increase the width from the neck to the hem. I want the banyan to have width at the hem, its not cut straight. But maybe you are right about it being two much? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan > At 19:23 30/04/2008, you wrote: >>I have a question. Its about the cut of a banyan. >>I dreamed about this for manny years, finally i have the oportunity >>to make it, because there is an event in september where i can use >>it at breakfast. >>I want to make my banyan in an oldfashioned 18th century cut, with >>t-shape and doubble breasted oriental closure at the neck. >>Today i drafted the doubble breast part, because i want to embellish >>it with 3 rows of silver bobbin lace and 2 rows in between the lace >>with an embroidered rose wreath. >>Now my question, would 49 cm be two much width of the doubble breast >>at the fot hem? >>The banyan is going to be made of shot silk taffeta, purple/green as >>a main collour, but the doubble breasted front is going to be a >>green shot taffeta, turquise blue/yellow like the cuffs and collar. >>The banyan is very simple in cut, only i am not sure if 49 cm of >>overlapping in the foot hem would be two much. >>Thanks for any inputs > > > I think 49cm. is far too much. Measure between armpits, and you will > find a better guide. About 30cm. seems a better overlap. > > Look here for lots of other information and pictures. > > http://tinyurl.com/6gt3k6 > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 15:42:56 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UJgu0d031009 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UJgmOR018875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UJgTkY015753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJgTXX047550; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJgRm1047515 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 54so478552hsz.15 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.68.20 with SMTP id q20mr1546285aga.115.1209584547159; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.11 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590804301242v1641c84ue80788e83b944d31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:42:27 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] scanning large format items Was:How Many Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8da99316-716e-432a-b151-dc93fc10d762 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818CBB8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In the last five years are so I've worked in companies that had large format scanners, but the document is fed into the machine, not laid on a flat bed. Most of these are gentle enough with the material being scanned - some of the drawings I've worked with were originally done in the 1950's and are pretty fragile considering the use they have had. So if it's not bound in a book, it could go into the scanner, if it is bound... Scanning rate is determined by the job, and can result in large files as mentioned. I'd check out some of the companies that sell the paper and do reproduction jobs for engineering firms. they might be able to scan the image at a lesser cost than some of the standard copy places. alex On 4/30/08, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: >> Blueprints (in the old days) were done with a diazo (ammonia) > process. Most are now directly printed from computer originals, > either 11 by 17 or using large format inkjet printers (usually 36 or > 48 inches wide). > > Beth Matney > > >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:40:20 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Ann Catelli > > > >Blueprints--check with a local construction company or two; there > >ought to be somewhere that has a very large platen glass, and the > >construction industry will likely use it. > >Most blueprints are individually fed through a roller system; not > >suitable for a bound book, or any antique paper. > > > >Ann in CT >-- "I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday..." ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 15:42:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UJgwUi031013 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UJgrLn017933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UJgdXU015790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJgdfD047745; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UJgaGT047692 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 357944C4E0 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:39:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id BDC194C1A2 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:39:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616D018007B for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:42:35 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c8aafd$9048ff50$b70d140a@edwardstepobxw> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen Thread-Index: Aciq8WNOHgak62JFRKG6i7vgl6Rd5AADBCggAAEEryA= References: <20080430183754.MSRJ12888.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <000101c8aafd$9048ff50$b70d140a@edwardstepobxw> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5fb1640-7122-4ab6-9828-b97a9283db5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4818CBBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Santa better load up a separate sleigh for all those costumers and Arnold fans who are going to be very, very good this year!! I also finally broke down and ordered Patterns of Fashion vol 2 from a amazon.com seller since my local library's copy was apparently permanently "liberated" from its collection(along with volume 2 of Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen."). May the costume gods and goddesses do their wills upon the "liberator." Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:06 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen Ooo. I know what I'm wantin' for Christmas..... Thanks! Liadain Anticipatin' THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:36 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns of Fashion Volume 4: linen I just got this note in: >The publisher is Macmillan and the publication date is >7th November 2008. I think it will be on Amazon for >pre-orders soon, > >Regards, >Jenny Tiramani Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 16:52:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UKqAsf001141 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:52:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UKq5wm026637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UKpNft024588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UKpKgu018066; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UKpHKT017930 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CC2010Milw@cs.com) Received: from CC2010Milw@cs.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c72.2f788751 (42805) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:51:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CC2010Milw@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:51:06 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FROCK COAT PATTERNS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 375f09eb-b475-443a-b2f5-588603bf9888 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818DBF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! Although I am still learning to sew, I have heard good things about Buckaroo Bobbins patterns. A pattern from them does range from tiny to HUGE. Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 19:04:33 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UN4XJX008896 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:04:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UN4SuT004461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UN2baf035669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UN2WD4033369; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UN2Tih033265 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:02:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UN2NwQ017917 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:02:23 -0700 References: <2E23AB9E-DC92-423F-B641-AF39C201E172@bovil.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 26 and Flickr: Spread the word! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21da9c1e-90a1-4301-81e6-8f2a8bf5fe82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4818FAFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:04:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The photo workflow office is back in Orange County, and is still working like mad to process the over 20,000 pictures that volunteers shot and turned in. It's going to take a few days for these to get uploaded. But don't wait! There's hope! If you're a Flickr member, and you shot photos at Costume-Con 26, please consider adding your convention sets to the Costume-Con 26 group photo pool. We've already got two members who have added their sets, but we would love to see more. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 19:19:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m3UNJpZp009561 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3UNJjoP031431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m3UNJOkY036843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UNJNfI046433; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3UNJJG7046338 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 6.d06.2eca9ee6 (48552) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:19:45 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6227fad6-f7ba-4ae2-ad9a-47bcab60457c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4818FE92.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Would so love to go, but have a slight hitch in that am getting married in November... *sigh* :o) In a message dated 30/04/2008 20:43:42 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I have met some people who are saving up to go to the big event in November for Janet Arnold. Here is the link: http://www.fondazione-delbianco.org/inglese/InsertNews/Janet-Arnold.htm I was wondering if anyone else was going to this event? I am hoping to get to Florence during this time, as I will be in England so why not hop down? There is rumor a new book in which Ms. Arnold was working on before her demise will be unveiled at this event. Anyone else here of this rumor? I would give my eyeteeth to get there, but if not I want to give people some money in case the book is shown and they are allowed to purchase it. Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 20:05:28 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m4105SaH011337 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:05:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4105M4g011083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4104UMO039742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4104QMh077343; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4104Obp077269 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu (sjs-130-65-37-143.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.143]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4104KwQ010114 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <870801590804301242v1641c84ue80788e83b944d31@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:04:19 -0700 References: <870801590804301242v1641c84ue80788e83b944d31@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] scanning large format items Was:How Many Costume Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6b98d07-49cc-4e80-b92d-3e60b78b7636 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48190942.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Apr 30, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > In the last five years are so I've worked in companies that had large > format scanners, but the document is fed into the machine, not laid on > a flat bed. Most of these are gentle enough with the material being > scanned - some of the drawings I've worked with were originally done > in the 1950's and are pretty fragile considering the use they have > had. > > So if it's not bound in a book, it could go into the scanner, if it > is bound... What you want for something like this is a copy stand and a high- resolution digital camera. Lay the large original on the table. Position the copy stand so the object is completely in frame. Adjust the lights to ensure the document is evenly lit. Shoot. It's just the evolution of film copying. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 20:30:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m410U6bx012794 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:30:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m410U03i020780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m410TP7X041152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m410TPPC093257; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wm-imp-3.unl.edu (wm-imp-3.unl.edu [129.93.2.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m410TMoC093228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:29:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m410TLTB022405 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:29:21 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-3.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:29:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20080430192921.y4ksgackdcgc4c4w@wm-imp-3.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:29:21 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1620c1c5-7f9e-4798-811f-c94642ddeedd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48190F08.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:30:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm combining it with thesis research. No, really, I need to go to Europe anyway! > Would so love to go, but have a slight hitch in that am getting married in > November... > > *sigh* > > :o) > > > > > In a message dated 30/04/2008 20:43:42 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > I have met some people who are saving up to go to the big event in November > for Janet Arnold. Here is the link: > http://www.fondazione-delbianco.org/inglese/InsertNews/Janet-Arnold.htm > > I was wondering if anyone else was going to this event? I am hoping to get > to Florence during this time, as I will be in England so why not hop down? > > There is rumor a new book in which Ms. Arnold was working on before her > demise will be unveiled at this event. > > Anyone else here of this rumor? > > I would give my eyeteeth to get there, but if not I want to give people some > money in case the book is shown and they are allowed to purchase it. > > > Cilean > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 20:40:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m410eCD1013203 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:40:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m410e7YL031506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:40:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m410divK042072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m410diIk099967; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m410df0x099939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.99.254] (dial-209-148-99-254.sonic.net [209.148.99.254] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m410ddn7008253 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4819114B.2070402@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:39:39 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <007901c8a960$f6c52950$4301a8c0@seam> In-Reply-To: <007901c8a960$f6c52950$4301a8c0@seam> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be4d41e1-b2cd-4d2b-bd1b-412cb8d9f370 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48191167.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:40:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm looking at the new Pfaff Creative Vision and the Viking Designer SE. The proprietary software looks on the face of it to be identical. (I so far have not seen great reviews of Corel's.) Do you have any preferences as to which machine is the best? Fran Monie wrote: > I own the Viking Designer SE, I love it so if you have the cash? I would > Most assuredly state pick it, but also? Since you were mentioning a larger > field for embroidery? The newest Pfaff you should look at because at the > moment it has the largest field. > > I went to several stores to play with the machines, once they see you are > doing this not to 'play' but to see which machine is right for you? > Typically they allow you to stitch out a design. > > Also? When speaking of embroidery machines it is more the program that you > have that will also achieve results. If you are into or know Coreldraw, > there is an embroidery machine version. Also Pfaff and Husqvarna have their > new program 4D which is very fun I am working with it, as well as > Generations and well I bet a bunch more. > > So you don't have to get the TOP end machine, you can still get awesome > results with the top end program! > > Cilean > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 20:46:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m410kClb013459 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:46:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m410k7qP014481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m410jqoh042386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m410jqXm003815; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr2.tzo.com (omr2.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m410jmhX003699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=63751 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr2.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JrMvW-00047D-BS for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:45:44 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:45:22 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:45:11 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcirGMkC5zyNZ6hMQYSN5ZB0bRpqmAAC8evw X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: BO1-Xindi X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cdc97eb-8963-4270-95d3-33f791e3789e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 481912CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:46:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Honeymoon trip! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Costuming Colloquium in Florence, Would so love to go, but have a slight hitch in that am getting married in November... *sigh* :o) In a message dated 30/04/2008 20:43:42 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I have met some people who are saving up to go to the big event in November for Janet Arnold. Here is the link: http://www.fondazione-delbianco.org/inglese/InsertNews/Janet-Arnold.htm I was wondering if anyone else was going to this event? I am hoping to get to Florence during this time, as I will be in England so why not hop down? There is rumor a new book in which Ms. Arnold was working on before her demise will be unveiled at this event. Anyone else here of this rumor? I would give my eyeteeth to get there, but if not I want to give people some money in case the book is shown and they are allowed to purchase it. Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 30 23:44:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m413iY3r020123 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:44:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m413iTkE024894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m413i3k6053824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m413hxfo007660; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX18wr0oHnQyXihQjAbGNr3WIRUbstaHuQhs@mail14.atl.registeredsite.com [216.247.37.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m413hv3Y007630 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from mymail.myregisteredsite.com (wmailnode1b.webmail.web.com [209.237.134.167]) by mail14.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with SMTP id m413huJ8011589 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:43:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 23397 invoked by uid 80); 1 May 2008 03:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (editor@netherton.net@70.143.25.179) by 209.237.134.176 with ESMTPA; 1 May 2008 03:43:56 -0000 Message-ID: <48193C7B.2080804@netherton.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:43:55 -0500 From: Robin Netherton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume List X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cac11e1b-1752-4f39-96d2-6cc6f85adda3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48193C9D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ages ago I forwarded a question about blackwork to this list on behalf of a colleague. You folks were very helpful, so I'm coming back with an add-on query. My colleague has continued her work and is approaching it from a different angle now, and for background, she needs to bring herself up to speed on what's known about embroidery in late medieval and early modern Western Europe, especially England. She is especially interested in seeing how blackwork fits into that context. She asks for recommendations of good published sources that will give her a sense of what blackwork is and when it was done, based on specific examples (art, documents, and especially surviving artifacts). She needs sources she can cite in a formal paper, so Web sites will not do. Neither will how-to books that include a little historical background (e.g. that something was done in X century) but do not provide sources or evidence. She particularly needs definitions: What specific characteristics lead historians to class the needlework on a 1550 shirt (for example) in the category of "blackwork" style (as the term is understood), while another example of embroidery that happens to be black would not be considered "blackwork"? A source that explains the stitches, motifs, patterns, etc. that are routinely associated by historians with the term "blackwork" would be great. (I realize that some people could argue that you can call almost anything monochrome "blackwork" if you stretch the definition far enough, but she's interested in what's traditionally assumed by the accepted definitions, not ways to revise it.) I am not asking anyone here to answer those questions for her ... even if you did, she'd still need published authorities she can cite in a formal paper. And she really needs to get up to speed on this on her own, and do her own reading. So all I'm bothering you folks for are recommendations for academic-quality reference books. She'll be getting them ILL, so cost and availability are not issues. Bonus points if you can also point her to a good overview source on known embroidery styles from, say, 1300-1600, based on surviving pieces, so she can get a sense of other known styles of this period and compare them with what she learns about "blackwork." I think she does not have much of a sense of just how much is known about specific embroidery styles, and how many types of embroidery there were in this period. No need for anything beyond Europe or outside the 1300-1600 range. Thanks for all your help! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 00:47:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m414lZrX022145 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:47:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m414lOIR011885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:47:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m414l59l057245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m414l3Jl043394; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m414kxOI043353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m414kxb9026128 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:46:59 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:49:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <200804301305.m3UD5Kgu013732@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5c82f9a-fe9f-4e75-8146-a0a8ceb4ef33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 48194B5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 00:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The Pacific NorthWet is pretty standard alternate for Pacific Northwest :-) I'm in Portland, Oregon where it is currently hailing, raining, sunning all in the same 5 minutes. Since my migraines are pressure triggered, I'm pretty miserable even though I really love the green this produces as well as the coolness! Wanda (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific > >Northwest/Northwet of the United States) > > > Northwet? Is that a reference to Washington and Oregon? Please say > you did this on purpose? > > LOL > > Genie > Who lived in Washington for three years and loved it! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 00:52:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m414qIZt022347 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:52:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m414qC3b012991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:52:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m414puEk057512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m414puS3046135; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from proactive.newcastle.edu.au (proactive.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.4.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m414pqMY046094 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jane_stockton@webcon.net.au) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.proactive.priv by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K060077XA91LF00@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 May 2008 14:39:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from ccb214-3dvvp1s.webcon.net.au ([134.148.170.190]) by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0600BHSA8HT360@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 May 2008 14:38:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:38:38 +1000 From: Jane Stockton In-reply-to: <48193C7B.2080804@netherton.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0K0600BHTA8HT360@proactive.priv> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.311128, Antispam-Data: 2008.4.30.212736 References: <48193C7B.2080804@netherton.net> X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIIII, Probability=9%, Report='BLOGSPOT_URI 0.5, X_MAILER_EUDORA_7109 0.05, BODY_SIZE_10000_PLUS 0, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Standard reference books on embroidery history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5086589e-7899-44e8-9af7-f76e334ef5c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 48194C7C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 00:52:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 01:43 PM 1/05/2008, you wrote: >Ages ago I forwarded a question about blackwork to this list on behalf of a >colleague. You folks were very helpful, so I'm = >coming back with an add-on query. > >My colleague has continued her work and is approaching it from a different >angle now, and for background, she needs to bring herself up to speed on >what's known about embroidery in late medieval and early modern Western >Europe, especially England. She is especially interested in seeing how >blackwork fits into that context. > >She asks for recommendations of good published sources that will give her a >sense of what blackwork is and when it was done, based on specific examples >(art, documents, and especially surviving artifacts). She needs sources she >can cite in a formal paper, so Web sites will not do. Neither will how-to >books that include a little historical background (e.g. that something was >done in X century) but do not provide sources or evidence. > >She particularly needs definitions: What specific characteristics lead >historians to class the needlework on a 1550 shirt (for example) in the >category of "blackwork" style (as the term is understood), while another >example of embroidery that happens to be black would not be considered >"blackwork"? A source that explains the stitches, motifs, patterns, etc. t= hat >are routinely associated by historians with the = >term "blackwork" would be great. Such a beasty doesn't really exist. There isn't = one or even two books that cover all this area. = And not many articles either, not academic ones anyway. General History of European Embroidey at this time: Bridgeman, Harriet; and Drury, Elizabeth. (eds). = =96 =93Needlework, an Illustrated History=94, (London: = Paddington Press, 1978) - section on Great Briton Schuette, Marie and M=FCller-Christensen, Sigrid. = =93The Art of Embroidery=94 (London: Thames and Hudson, 1964) Blackwork History/Techniques Some of the best background about Blackwork comes from a how-to book: Gostelow, Mary. Blackwork. (New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1976) Geddes, Elisabeth, and Moyra McNeill. Blackwork = Embroidery. (New York: Dover, 1976) I also have a handout which describes what I = consider to be the three main types of blackwork = during the Elizabethan period with examples and = details for find original institutions hold the egs. See "Embroidery for Clothing - Non-Counted = Blackwork" under "Class Handouts" on = http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/research/index.html >(I realize that some people could argue that you can call almost anything >monochrome "blackwork" if you stretch the definition far enough, but she's >interested in what's traditionally assumed by the accepted definitions, not >ways to revise it.) One thing to remember, most sources are heavily = biased towards looking at early period Blackwork = ie early Tudor under Henry VIII. You can find = alot about that but much less about the later = period stuff. Really there aren't any standard = definitions of what constitutes blackwork. >I am not asking anyone here to answer those questions for her ... even if = you >did, she'd still need published authorities she can cite in a formal paper. >And she really needs to get up to speed on this on her own, and do her own >reading. So all I'm bothering you folks for are recommendations for >academic-quality reference books. She'll be getting them ILL, so cost and >availability are not issues. > >Bonus points if you can also point her to a good overview source on known >embroidery styles from, say, 1300-1600, based on surviving pieces, so she = can >get a sense of other known styles of this period and compare them with what >she learns about "blackwork." I think she does not have much of a sense of >just how much is known about specific embroidery = >styles, and how many types of >embroidery there were in this period. My website: Historical Needlework Resources - above period = broken down by location, date and techniques. = Some of the links to extant pieces may be broken = as the museums etc keep changing their databases, = but it will get her to the correct institution where she can search. The quickest way to find extant examples is by = looking in the "Period" section, which is then = broken down by location and technique. >No need for anything beyond Europe or outside the 1300-1600 range. In relation to blackwork, I think that would be a = mistake - look at the Mamluk embroidery such as = the one on my site: = http://medieval.webcon.net.au/loc_middle_east_mamluk.html = and compare to the 16th C modelbuch patterns used = a source by embroiderers in the 16th Century - almost identical. >Thanks for all your help! > >--Robin If she has specific questions I can probably = chase down specific sources. I'm at work and don't have my books on hand. Cheers, Jane ------------------------------------ Jane Stockton - jane_stockton@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal webs= ite) Historical Needlework Resources - = http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 01:31:08 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m415V7UG023590 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:31:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m415Uwm1005197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 01:31:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m415U77X059473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m415U6mM066505; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m415U42k066398 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABEBUXLXA4MGA32 for (sender ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:29:57 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKWHfE1/x0xssp3hSV4lUKuSH8tmDYxL+zg= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NH36CFYU; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:29:05 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20080430.222827.3300.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:379123066 X-MAIL-INFO: 2d6f7b3b1a87af3337ab7f2abe637edaf7caee5e63fa X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry, had to laugh X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0523a309-495e-45e7-8957-708c4cb3d1be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 48195592.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 01:31:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO The minute after this is the final phase of the cycle: steaming. ;-) Arlys On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:49:15 -0700 "Wanda Pease" writes: > The Pacific NorthWet is pretty standard alternate for Pacific > Northwest :-) > I'm in Portland, Oregon where it is currently hailing, raining, > sunning all > in the same 5 minutes. Since my migraines are pressure triggered, > I'm > pretty miserable even though I really love the green this produces > as well > as the coolness! > > Wanda > (SCA Kingdom including the Pacific > > >Northwest/Northwet of the United States) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 1 02:46:35 2008 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m416kY1p012858 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:46:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m416kSVi030457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:46:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m416jvFI063354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 May 2008 00:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m416jsim010140; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m416jp45010032 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W42 ([64.4.19.142]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:45:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.87.150.219] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:45:46 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 06:45:46.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBFB59B0:01C8AB56] X-DCC-URT-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e117c873-e586-4ae1-a907-800010f713d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 48196744.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 May 2008 02:46:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I got the new Pfaff Creative Vision for Christmas last and I am loving it. It has - I am told - the largest hoop of any home sewing machine. If learning a new machine and software to go with it is an adventure to you I highly recommend this machine. I'm also new to the machine embroidery scene. Digitizing your own designs is so much easier than it use to be, I bought the Floriani Embroidery suite Pro at quilt show at a very good discount. I learn something new every time I open it up and go through a tutorial lesson. Anniecat > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:39:39 -0700> From: fran@lavoltapress.com> To: h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Sewing Machine> > I'm looking at the new Pfaff Creative Vision and the Viking Designer SE. > The proprietary software looks on the face of it to be identical. (I > so far have not seen great reviews of Corel's.) Do you have any > preferences as to which machine is the best?> > Fran> > Monie wrote:> > I own the Viking Designer SE, I love it so if you have the cash? I would > > Most assuredly state pick it, but also? Since you were mentioning a larger> > field for embroidery? The newest Pfaff you should look at because at the> > moment it has the largest field.> > > > I went to several stores to play with the machines, once they see you are> > doing this not to 'play' but to see which machine is right for you?> > Typically they allow you to stitch out a design. > > > > Also? When speaking of embroidery machines it is more the program that you> > have that wi! ll also achieve results. If you are into or know Coreldraw,> > there is an embroidery machine version. Also Pfaff and Husqvarna have their> > new program 4D which is very fun I am working with it, as well as> > Generations and well I bet a bunch more.> > > > So you don't have to get the TOP end machine, you can still get awesome> > results with the top end program!> > > > Cilean> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > h-costume mailing list> > h-costume@mail.indra.com> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> > > > > _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. 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